CONSPIRACY THEORIES

You’ve heard the joke, right? What’s the difference between a conspiracy theory and reality?

About two weeks.

I think that’s a gross exaggeration. From where I’m sitting it’s more like two months.

This is probably where I admit that when people on mewe started talking about how the vaccines were damaging heart muscle, or causing heart attacks, or whatever, I thought it was of a piece with the chick who was so convinced they were putting a neurotransmitter in it that she was trying to glue magnets to herself.

Y’know? I grew up with books about the UFO conspiracy, the JFK conspiracy, the older civilizations conspiracy, and in fact I love them with an unholy and shameful love. Just like my friend who loves pyramids of skulls (don’t ask) even though he’s not remotely a cruel person or blood thirsty, I’m the rational person who gets all excited at a good “it came from Atlantis” book or “the aliens did it” book. The following words have been uttered to my husband who was trying to discuss household matters, while I was immersed in one of those books “Shhh. Give me half an hour. I just got to the good part. They just linked Gobleki Tepe to the age of Aquarius!” (And the face you’re making right now is probably the face he made, followed by a bemused headshake.)

What this means, though is that I’m a connoisseur of the finest conpiratorium in the world. Collectors can come to me and uncork the vintage, and I go “Ah, this is JFK was killed by aliens, 1975, French. A fine vintage.”

Back when we were looking for a place in Colorado from South Carolina we talked to a real estate agent who told us she rated people on the flaky scale, to figure out where they belonged. (Yes, Boulder was peak flakiness.) The fact she told us this while saying we were “Normal with overtones of flaky, so probably downtown area in the Springs.” tells you what amused me so much.

In the same way I rate conspiracy theories from the plausible to the pyramidal (And not of skulls.)

I never fell for the Q “trust the plan” bs, not because I’m very intelligent or aware (IQ is not dispositive in this. Smart people believe the stupidest things. And as for aware, I was having serious altitude-related sleep and oxygen issues) but because I recognized the tone and the deepening of weirdness. From the qui bono angle the result of all that was keeping the population quiescent while a color revolution took place. Which leads me to believe false flag organized psi ops, but it’s also perfectly possible that it was just wishful thinking and conspiratorium of people self-reassuring as what should have been impossible events took place before their very eyes. (I wonder what unrecorded conspiracy theories circulated in Germany as it sank into madness.)

So, in the same spirit, and because I know the people posting them, I didn’t pay much attention to all the people saying that the vaccines caused heart issues, or menstrual cycle issues, miscarriages or still births, or permanent sterility.

Serious side effects were possible, of course, from an insufficiently tested vaccine. I also happened to know the history of MRNA vaccines — which is weird as even doctors and people with scientific training seemed to be afflicted by sudden amnesia about those. The one for SARS1 had such horrific results that China — CHINA! — stopped administering it pretty quickly.

And I had no intention of taking it, both because I actually really do in fact have religious objections to how they were created, and because the almighty government wanted it in my veins so badly. And I’m part mule. You push too hard, I stick all four hooves in the dirt and go ‘nope.’ Add to that that I’m not particularly stupid. I can read print, if it’s in letters of fire, six feet tall Having looked at the numbers from the Diamond Princess, I knew that doing an MRNA vaccine for what was a “Particularly bad flu” was the equivalent of taking a chainsaw to your own neck to cure a headache. So no. My offer remains. I will take the vaccine when they let me inject salad dressing into the veins of the Biden Junta. (And they might have the better part of that deal.)

But in the back of my head was that eventually, maybe, after it became endemic, and after we knew the side effects better, in a few years, I’d consider taking it (except for that religious objection thing, so I hoped they’d develop a different one.)

However I looked at the claims and snorted softly to myself, because how could a vaccine cause that range of side effects? It wasn’t even plausible. And heart and reproductive system? Sure. Those are the things people fear most, so it made psychological sense, not rational sense.

And then the CDC admitted it caused heart issues. And now they’re admitting it disturbs women’s cycles.

They still say the still births and the miscarriages are the result of “catching covid” but since the spike protein is what the vaccine mimics I don’t understand how that would be different. And anyone in livestock knows you don’t vaccinate pregnant females.

To quote a commenter yesterday “I wouldn’t be surprised at this point if the vaccine was meant to sterilize people, I just hope they’re really incompetent.”

I also hope anyone reading this is saner than to give it to their kids or really anyone of reproductive age till we know the full story. Because, you know, the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is apparently two weeks.

All I can say is that this is disturbing me to a level I — as a connoisseur of Conpiratorium — can’t even begin to explain.

It’s difficult living in a timeline that appears to be scripted by drunk comic book writers, mainlining LSD.

From now on, I’m going to assume I know nothing about how reality actually works, and that JFK probably and for real was killed by dinosaurs circling the world in a spaceship.

Hold on to the sides of the boat, while the water gets choppy and Atlantis rises from the depths.

I’ll be in my bunker finishing a novel that involves Gobleki Tepe. (For real.)

Whatever you do, remember in the end we win they lose.

And be not afraid.

233 thoughts on “CONSPIRACY THEORIES

      1. if R’yleh was to appear anywhere near Washington D.C. R’ylehs residents would flee in horror at The Turnip in Chief, his (alleged) successor and the Speaker of the House and President of the Senate, let alone the vacuous horrors that are the Squad. R’yleh’s residents would be begging to be returned to their place in the South Atlantic midway between South America, Africa and Antartica or to be fed to a shoggoth.

        1. “Lovecraft said that R’lyeh is located at 47°9’S 126°43’W in the southern Pacific Ocean. (HPL: “The Call of Cthulhu”) August Derleth, however, placed R’lyeh at 49°51’S 128°34’W in his own writings. (AWD: “The Black Island”, Quest for Cthulhu the great) Both locations are close to the Pacific oceanic pole of inaccessibility (48°52.6’S 123°23.6’W), the point in the ocean farthest from any land. ”

          https://lovecraft.fandom.com/wiki/R%27lyeh

          1. Crud my memory is bad. It is in the south PACIFIC, lots more nowhere in the pacific 🙂

          2. And sometime in 2031 we’re going to dump the International Space Station on point Nemo. With R’lyeh somewhere in the neighborhood I can’t see this as ending well. Who needs SMOD?

  1. Crazy Thought.

    All of the really crazy Conspiracy Theories are created by the “Hidden Masters” so that people won’t believe that They (the Hidden Masters) exist. [Crazy Grin]

  2. Everyone knows that JFK didn’t die in Dallas; he was kept in closed floor of Walter Reed in a vegetative state until he passed again of old age.*

    *No, really, I used to hear this one at the country store my uncles ran.

      1. Darn You CplHicksNot you beat me to it! All over a deep need for Papadums, a nice curry (nuclear hot) and a wee bit of lager.

    1. Well, I hear that his son didn’t die in the plane crash, and is actually a Youtuber named Juan O’Savin…
      While Miles W Mathis argues somewhat persuasively that JFK’s death was faked and he just retired…

          1. Looking at the data, it looks like you are right and I was wrong. They weasel worded their way around it, but MSCs *are* stem cells (mesenchymal stem cells). And while you can get hUC-MSCs non-invasively (from the umbilical cord) and MenSC (menstrual blood derived), that’s not what they used in development.

            Reading through what I could find was sickening enough. And I only have a general and practical level of knowledge in medical terminology backdoor’d through anthropology (which means I don’t get it all, not even close).

            1. FWIW, they have many years of weasel-words practice– including some things that are flatly false unless you use *very* careful redefinition.

              IE, the “debunking” that cell-line grown vaccines do not contain fetal parts is actually inaccurate unless you either limit it to active ingredients, or large amounts of undamaged DNA. There are actually fetal cell…parts… in them, just like there’s enough egg proteins parts in egg-grown vaccines to cause an allergic reaction.

              The least objectionable of the COVID vaccines were produced via testing on the cell lines, I think it was the guy who’d be 38 if he hadn’t been killed, but I haven’t double-checked. It might be the “we have no idea where we got her from, but I assure you it was all perfectly legal” Norwegian gal who’d be in her late 40s or early 50s. I don’t think the Chinese girl who would be a teen now was used…..

              1. And they still used those cell lines and descendant cells in the process. HEK-293 and PER.C6 is what they refer to those aborted kids as, according to ND health, the former being the one of “undisclosed origin.”

                I see some places claiming that receiving “a vaccine that required the use of fetal cell lines for production or manufacture is morally acceptable,” and further saying that Catholics should be okay with it. I call bull poopy on that. You remember the many times they called people like us Nazis? And how they tend to project, and call us what they are actually doing?

                …Yeah. This stuff stinks to high Heaven.

                1. The Catholic moral teaching on it is basically in line with cannibalism.

                  Which makes sense, since… that’s what it is. In dire situations, doing something horrible to try to save a life, so long as it doesn’t require actively DOING the wrong thing, and you should be trying to make sure you’re not supporting others in doing something horrible. Like, say, harvesting further humans for consumption.

                  1. I know. The whole thing reeks of envelope pushing. Like they’re trying to get us to tolerate more and more intolerable things. The other options that *don’t* tread upon morally shaky ground are being taken away. Things like Ivermectin and using blood transfusions from survivors, the one is verboten, the other you hardly ever hear about.

                    1. It is. That’s exactly what this is.

                      …I may be paranoid, but I see “cluster B boundary pushing” in all of this.

                      And the more they push, the closer we all get to #teamheadsonpikes.

                    2. You are only paranoid if they’re not out to get you. Considering all the folks on the other side that support, oh, say, using the military to enforce compliance, rounding up the non-jabbed and putting them in camps, re-education…

                      That stuff is Not Okay. And it says a lot about such people that they’re going there right now. As our host has said many times, in the end, we win and they lose. They’re scared, lashing out, and getting further and further from normal, sane, and reality itself.

                      Avoiding such people is just good common sense. You don’t give folks like that power, you give them counseling and if necessary straight jackets.

                    3. Sometimes it’s exhausting, realizing how much of my life I’ve spent trying to deal with and get away from toxic people. And just when I had it set up to shake free of my family… the world went insane.

                      I mean, you have to respect the Great Author for a proper Raising the Stakes part of the book, but as one of the characters involved, I admit being a bit miffed. 😉

                    4. As I’ve been told all my life, Himself gives us no burdens wider than our shoulders can bear. Also, we know He has a sense of humor about things. We know He loves us, but sometimes… Well. He challenges us, too. Because, like any good father, He wants us to grow up to be strong, capable, wise, and morally good people.

                      Because the world will *always* need such folk. Always. No matter where or when. There’s not a place in this world that couldn’t benefit from more good, honest people, doing what they can to make the world better.

                    5. That’s exactly how it strikes me, too, getting people to tolerate the intolerable, and as someone who frequently feels the actual Trinity at work in my own life is Loki, Tzeentch, and Nyarlathotep I get the other parts you and crossover are saying too. It’d be nice to be a little less special in this area, especially considering my actual vision for this stuff is something like my left eye pre-surgery…

              2. Pfizer also had a leak through Project Veritas that in fact the vaccine production, as well as testing and development, included fetal cells, and recent ones. And Pfizer execs said in the email not to release this info, no matter what the law said, because people wouldn’t want to take it and the Catholic Church and other churches, prolife groups, etc. would discourage it being chosen or used.

                I am so done with big pharma.

                1. And because human testing is pretty much always going to be faster and more accurate than animal testing, so long as we allow this, more and more medical products will depend on harvested people parts, until it will be basically impossible to get any medical treatment that does not derive from such.

                2. Yep. Coincidence past us a long way back. We’re somewhere in between lies and corruption and at the other end, mass murder. Not a good place to be.

                3. So, actual freaking fraud as to the production of the vaxx.

                  ….

                  This is even more of a red-flag than the New York pattern of targeting Orthodox Jews with laws.

                  1. They are trying to hide all of it.

                    And I don’t know why, but they seem desperate to ensure everyone participates. Why else would PEPSI use aborted fetal stem cells for FLAVOR TESTING? Shareholders wanted to stop them, but the SEC under Obama ruled that it was just normal business practice and they couldn’t possibly be expected to do otherwise.

                    I’m going to reply to myself with the article link in case including it sends this comment into moderation.

      1. All of them were, in fact, made from a stem cell line that originated with aborted babies…

    1. I know “go read this” is a horrible response, but the page I’m linking to opens with a direct answer and then supports it, and makes the moral argument involved.

      https://cogforlife.org/guidance/

      These folks are very up to date, I’ve used them for years to get information for other parents who were not going to vaccinate their kids at all by giving them a resource that let them make an informed decision.

      They were tracking the morally licit vaccine options that were abruptly canceled and had it updated to that effect before most people even knew there WERE other options on track for release.

      1. Like most. I was not aware of what the implications were of “stem line based” meant. Just sourced from normal abortions have me upset. This is … everyone who participated, including the mother BTW, are guilty of worse than murder. Now they are extending it into Cancer cure.

  3. Wait, are you writing or reading a novel on Gobleki Tepe? If you’re reading, can we have the title, please?

    Q was a chan phenomenon. The chans are great, but they have their limitations, and a big one is that anyone and everyone potentially are Q. As a place to start hey, is there a there, there? or to find a bunch of bored disaffected geeks, the chans are priceless. And all the people who were Q used that.

    One of my sons reads mRNA stuff because he’s interested in that. His reaction-and he has all the mental stops of an Elon Musk to genetic engineering, as in none-was absolute horror. The thing that got me was the testing. Or lack of.

    A few vetrinarian friends right at the beginning said “There will never be a Covid vaccine: coronavirus vaccines are deadly.” They’ve since become covid vaccine supporters, but I remember they had plenty of studies because Americans love pets and coronavirus vaccines had killed 100% of cats. No one’s explained adequetely why this one is different.

    And I presume VAERS has stops against spam attacks. So when the numbers keep going up and up and up, and the gossip is going around, and I’m hearing about a miscarriage task force last summer from a friend who knows someone on it . . . but it doesn’t hit the news . . . and we can look at what highly vaxed and boosted countries are reporting (Israel, anyone?) for ourselves . . . well, there’s a lot of smoke there.

    And we’re at five men I know in person who’ve had heart attacks in the last year, under age fifty. Get your butts in to the doc, men. Do I know if there’s a connection? No. But it’s weird. And two of those are definitely vaxed, and two were likely (from what I knew of them, they didn’t survive, and I’m not asking their elderly and ill parents) vaxed, so . . .

    It’s all very sus.

    1. Then your veterinarian friends don’t know their own business, because we’ve had canine coronavirus vaccine for almost 40 years, and it’s been routinely given for over 20 years.

      Initially it was a modified live virus vaccine developed at Cornell’s Baker Institute. This was an excellent vaccine and extremely effective. (Aside from the sudden dearth of corona symptoms, you could tell because of the immediate drop in parvovirus infections in puppies; canine coronavirus is just a nuisance, but in young puppies acts as a gateway for parvovirus.) Unfortunately the company that Cornell gave it to went tits-up and the vaccine was lost (they owned it lock stock and barrel). That is firsthand from Dr.Lionel Carmichael, then director of Baker Institute, who I talked to back when this vaccine suddenly became unavailable.

      A few years later a killed corona vaccine was developed, which nearly every dog in every first world country receives as a puppy, and occasionally thereafter. This is why modern puppies don’t have a week of hershey squirts due to exposure to the ubiquitous canine coronavirus.

      Dogs have been found to be infected with SARS2 (aka Covid-19), but without any clinical or transmissible significance. I would bet money that is because dogs have near-universal prior immunity, due to either this vaccine or to ubiquitous exposure, but far as I’ve seen this has not been investigated.

    2. In husband’s office, going off of the folks he knows submitted for an exemption are the only ones not vaccinated, and look at the folks he knows got vaccinated because they got sick or got serious side-effects –including a guy in his 50s with ZERO family history of heart issues, and do you have any idea how rare that is, suddenly having heart issues that still haven’t gone away– if you define serious side-effects more strongly than they did for the small pox vaccine, they’ve got about a 25% serious side-effect rate, including one miscarriage.

      The lady has a has a history of them, but every prior loss had a specific type of problem. Her two children didn’t, and obviously lived. If she hadn’t been so closely monitored, it would’ve been swept to the side as just something that happens, the kid wouldn’t have been autopsied to look for that known problem.

      What freaks me out is that sudden spike in “military deaths” that happened RIGHT AFTER the “get vaccinated or get discharged” deadline for the reserves happened. All were “unvaccinated”– which means they’d just been vaccinated, it hadn’t been two weeks after the last shot yet.

      So there were at least five COVID vaccine deaths from the military forced vaccinations.

      1. Yep, that freaks me out too – because the military selects for healthy and fit to start with, and by the time you are done with basic, you are uber-healthy and super-fit, so suddenly having all these health problems after getting the Covid vaxx is worrisome, to say the least.
        I may also be part mule myself, because nothing has made me more stubbornly against getting the Covid vaxx than being pressured, nagged and propagandized about it.
        Well, it’s a moot point now, for my daughter and Wee Jamie the Wonder Grandson, as we all had it; my daughter and I were both tested and diagnosed, were sicker than dogs from the pneumonia that it brought on. Wee Jamie was fully exposed, had the sniffles and a temperature for a day, the pediatrician said “Just let him ride it out…”

      2. I got the Moderna vaccine and haven’t noticed any heart issues (nor Force powers, nor 5G connections, darn it) so I might dismiss some claims, but as I thought about it I have had pre-Covid/vaccine heart issues (since 2017) and have been on medication that’s supposed to help keep my arteries from clogging so it’s possible that that’s been keeping me from having a heart attack or similar from the vaccine. So I can’t use my lack of bad reaction to dismiss other people’s fears.

        1. Plus, with vaccines a one in a hundred “gives you a life threatening health condition” complication is a HUGE freaking deal.

          Smallpox had– and I would link to it, but the websites all seem to be gone— something like a one in several hundred sick-enough-to-get-medical-treatment complication rate. That’s why a vaccine for a disease with a 30% fatality rate fell out of common use. My husband’s one of the three or four guys on our ship that was sick enough to be stuck in medical for a week, or I probably wouldn’t remember that…..

          For life-long complication? I literally *cannot think of one* where there’s a complication that isn’t a *direct* mimic of any other immune system trigger. Because they don’t authorize something that dangerous.

          1. That’s why a vaccine for a disease with a 30% fatality rate fell out of common use.

            Which also neatly shows when the risk tradeoff can be worth it.

          2. Um, I thought the smallpox vaccine “fell out of common use” because smallpox had been eradicated. Not one natural case anywhere in the world since about 1975. Not one case of any kind since about 1977 – and that case was in a lab worker who had mishandled a vial of smallpox virus.

            1. Smallpox was declared eradicated in 1980.

              The US stopped recommending it in 1971. Because the risk from the virus was lower than the risk from the vaccine.

              Bioterror started military and first responder vaccinations back up about ’02.

              Oh, and case diagnosed on Oct. 26, 1977, in Merka, Somalia is recorded as the last naturally occurring infection by the CDC.

              The last known death was in 1978, Janet Parker, in England, and believed to be from someone mishandling a sample and it getting into the air vents, but they don’t know.

        2. That’s one reason I went with the J&J. Clotting is not my problem. Not clotting is my problem, so at the rate of “increased clotting per 100,000” for the J&J, it would bring me up to average risk from very low risk. Thus far I seem to have escaped problems. *taps wood*

          1. Unfortunately, the person I know who has a medically-verified poor vaccine reaction (because he works in a government job and is older with heart condition, and OF COURSE they didn’t take his medical exemption) got it from the J&J. Blood clots in the lungs, two weeks after vaccine, absolutely no sign of COVID or past COVID. (Apparently, this VA hospital was very annoyed at the mandates, and did all the tests themselves just for documentation.)

            However, it’s a case of “eventually they’ll break down,” so while it’s a huge health hazard, it’s not an ongoing one.

            1. Hmm, my understanding is that the spike proteins are persistent, so “eventually” is a really long time. There’s a way to induce spike-protein-afflicted cell death (apo-something), that curiously involves nicotine. Related topic is that smokers seem to have less trouble from either the vax or the virus. Other substances do the same thing (ivermectin? It’s been a long day and I’m not up to searching).

          2. Well, I got both shots, plus booster. Almost no reactions other than from having a needle stuck in my upper arm muscles. Heart’s still working fine. Can’t tell, well, can’t exactly check to see if it effected fertility. Unfortunately, no sign of any developing super powers. Stupid government can’t get anything right.

        3. From https://sebastianrushworth.com/2022/01/09/covid-vaccine-vs-infection-myocarditis-risk/

          [M]yocarditis is a serious disease, make no mistake. Lately, I’ve been hearing this sentence alot: “but the myocarditis caused by the covid vaccines is mild!”. I’d never heard of “mild” myocarditis pre-covid. Pre-covid, myocarditis was always considered a serious disease. What the people saying this mean is that the patients admitted to hospital with myocarditis after vaccination are usually able to go home after a few days, and don’t generally end up in an ICU. Which is true.

          But we don’t say that most heart attacks are “mild” just because they don’t result in a stay in an ICU, and just because the patient is usually able to leave the hospital within a week. A heart attack is a heart attack, and is by definition serious. The same goes for myocarditis. Our heart muscles are not very good at repairing themselves, and it is impossible to know today the extent to which an episode of vaccine induced myocarditis increases the person’s future risk of serious long-term complications, such as chronic heart failure or atrial fibrillation.

          1. We know someone who is suffering with Myocarditis because of the china flu covid shot. Not getting off “lightly” for all that he isn’t currently in the hospital. Doctors drained the fluid around his heart and sent him home. While his condition is “better” he still has a long road recovering. As in he may not make his step-son’s wedding because he won’t have the stamina to handle the plane rides and the activities. They have hopes … but …

        4. My mom got on blood thinners for her shots. It saved her life. She’s still on them.
          .
          There was a narrow window when the limited and risky mRNA therapy would have been a protection for the 75+ set (and a face-saver for the Bidenreich) as we all went out, unmasked, caught multiple, increasingly milder coronachan and provided a living buffer for our beloved elders.
          .
          We know that the (lab modded) spike protein itself damages cells, which is why untreated Fauciflu can do so much varied damage if it spreads past nose, throat, lungs. Everyone who blocked access to early treatment of the disease is complicit in mass murder. And that’s without using poisons like Remdesivir.
          .
          We know that the lipid protein cases for the mRNA (that codes for the cell-toxic spikes) travel beyond the muscle cells. Where they end up is a crap shoot. How long the cells they penetrate (heart, spleen, liver, testes, ovaries, nerves…) survive, pumping out spikes is unknown. What the knock on effects of having a healthy immune system targeting these hijacked cells is not known, but logic suggests it could be similar to a severe case of the Hamsterkoof depending on the cells.
          .
          It’s Russian roulette. Playing it with healthy people who could get a better, safer “vaccination” by challenging their immune systems successfully with the whole virus + early treatment is wicked madness.

          1. That might explain why my March ’20 case was mild. I think the viral load was tiny, too; $SPOUSE got it from me, and got it worse. Oops.

            1. Hubby is B+, age 70, on meds for high blood pressure, and cholesterol. Son, age 32, and I, age 65, but on nothing, are both O+. Hubby didn’t have any problems with vax, or covid, son not vaxed, no problem with covid. Me? Problems, minor, but still problems with vax, very ill with covid. Not following the AB, A, B, O, order of severity guidelines.

          2. I had a mild case in January (unless it was a false positive from the test), mostly just fever, mild after the first two days, and I lost my voice almost completely for a couple of days. No vaccine. And I have AB negative blood.

          3. Okay, interesting, there seems to be at least one study that seemed to suggest (meta-analysis) that covid is more likely to hit Rh-positive blood groups than Rh-negative ones (I started to wonder if there were any studies about that and took a look).

            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33309392/

    1. And re-reading that article just now, I see why “I did my own research” about Covid has been so poisoned in the mainstream.

      Of course, any time anyone scoffs at a layman doing their own research, I want to ask if they would willingly fly on a 737-MAX and if not why not — the FAA says they’re perfectly safe, don’t you believe everything the government tells you? Or sometimes do you do your own research (dum dum DUMMMM)?

      1. When the initial 737-MAX issues came up on Slashdot, several commercial pilots came out of the woodwork to explain the problem. Seems this particular plane needs a specific bit of training (I forget the details, but it was situation-critical) which being newfangled was not being provided or sometimes not being properly minded in the third world… hence the first three crashes were with a native African at the helm (two Somali, I forget the third). According to these commercial pilots, it’s literally incompetent pilot error.

        So if you do fly on a 737-MAX, be sure your pilot was trained in North America, and is up to date, and is not a diversity hire.

        1. Keep in mind that one of the key selling points by the genius MBAs in Boeing’s Dark Tower in Chicago (no I don’t have much respect for Boeing management – long story for another day) was that the Max did not require pilot retraining from the previous version. That said, your conclusion is still valid.

          1. More like they played down the differences and tried to cover the handling issues up with software so they didn’t have to go to all the trouble of re-certifying it as a new aircraft type. “Well, yes, we’ve hung way huger engines off it and changed the center of gravity, but it still handles exactly the same as the 737 from the 1970s! Honest!”

              1. Mostly yes. The 737 MAX had radically different stability etc. compared to prior versions. It did so mostly because for reasons of not requiring extremely long and detailed certification they had to keep the landing gear the same height as all prior models, only now if the engines dangled down the way they did in older models they’d scrape the ground. So they changed the way the engines hung and in the process radically changed the basic air handling. That’s kind of fine, though I personally am not impressed with a passenger plane not being stable by default in most of its intended operating envelope. Anyway.

                To work around that they put in a fly by wire system that automatically adjusted things when it looked like the plane was about to stall. Said system was poorly designed and could decide the plane was about to stall during takeoff if a particular sensor went wonky. There was a fix for this though, which was basically “turn (most of) the computer off” however this was not clearly communicated in training in part because it would lead to the radical difference in handling being exposed and therefore to awkward questions about how this wasn’t just a new variation on the same basic plane but a radical change.

                So third world airlines with less than perfect maintenance capabilities and less than perfect pilot training ended up with the pilot(s) fighting (and losing the fight) the autopilot when the sensor went wrong instead of turning the autopilot off.

            1. It wasn’t the change in handling. It was using that software to act as stall prevention that was causing the reactions. The software is actually based off one used on the tankers and it’s one of the bits that isn’t going to result in the AF buying the MRTT after the contracted 179 aircraft. The software aspect to deal with the high speed high aoa issues (the bigger engine issue) aren’t the ones that slam nose down. The crashes happened at low speed where the software was repurposed into stall prevention, completely breaking Boeings typical pilot over computer principle. The use of it in that fashion should have required two inputs but it was a new (unneeded) feature and schedule Uber alles and folks were convinced that they could get away with this.

              The “MD bought Boeing with boeings money” issue is there and the cost cutting and dollars over sense all cause issues but the recent failures (787, Max, tanker) have all been the company trying something new for ‘why not’ factor and that engineering is looked at as identical to a new Iphone as well as the outsourcing of risk, the subsequent failure of that outsourcing, and then needing to throw bodies at problem rather than using your own experts from the start because it’s “cheaper”.

              A lot of the media narratives are more from empire builders or don’t have full info. Engineering did walk out back in the 90s. But it wasn’t because they were being overruled but because they wanted better bennies. The 737 had had at least four prior incidents of engineering or transition issues (three hull loss, one ife) from the legacy engineering. It was just better pr that differentiated.

          2. The bits and pieces I’ve seen look like serious fraud on the part of the manufacturer in trying to change the plane on the cheap. I could be wrong about that.

        2. Yeah. The tap-dancing by Boeing, the NTSB, and others to avoid among other things pointing out that “crew resource management” and “crew communications” in non-US, non-European airlines are . . . top down and competitive to boot . . . Ginger Rogers would have been impressed. Disgusted, but impressed.

          1. I’m pretty certain that the overspeed warning going off in the second incident did come out a few months in and that is the thing that I pick out as the smoking gun. You can fly the aircraft without electrical, with vastly decreased hydraulics, and with a lot of other failures but part of the way you do that is by actually flying the aircraft. Overspeeding says you are not.

            Even some major catastrophes like the AA OHare crash could be flow out of if the pilot 1. Has all the info and 2. Flies the aircraft. All the additional automation has taken some skills away and adds to the information overload that is an extremely common component of aviation incidents. Human factors knowledge (all airframes) is woefully weak and I think that is part of the tap dancing. Admitting that human factors could cause as much damage as it does would be more honest, but look like blame shifting and cause loss of trust in all aviation, not just one platform

        3. There were two crashes. Lion and Ethiopian. The events had actually happened on prior flight for the first crash but since it wasn’t on takeoff it wasn’t as high task loading for pilots.

          The failure was expected to be treated same as a runaway elevator trim. That’s always been on checklists and required situations for pilots to recognize. The loss of AOA data and associated alarms added to this but to my knowledge alarms and such are not much different from a 3rd gen. So pilots got overloaded and failed to fly the aircraft. Honestly the root cause was the pilot overload, same as the air France airbus a few years before, as well as unfamiliarity (it acts a bit different from runaway), same as the Asiana 777.

          Boeing screwed up with a single point of failure in the flight controls. I’m pretty certain it was “feature creep” that was never gone back into. Most of the media noise was more just squawking to cause panic and the China aspect was, imo, to punish Boeing for Trump actually pushing back. Same reason i think they just restarted flights this month. I’d also suspect an intent to try and get the 919 in air and replace the max domestically there.

          It sucks because it has dumped more government power into airframing, served to further push the move toward automation, and has probably killed Boeing.

      2. Someday let me tell you how much money the management of Boeing took from their shareholders. Boeing management is one of the cases I use when I train people. The rot started when Boeing became a financing company rather than a company that made really good airplanes.

        1. Was that before or after they bought McDonnell-Douglas yet somehow the MD execs who’d run that company into the ground ended up in charge of Boeing?

          1. About the same time. All the airplane companies morphed into finance companies. Some of it came from the shift away from the Cold War, but it really started earlier at Airbus when they found out that the “real options” in their contracts were as profitable as the airplanes. The finance guys and the lawyers ended up making all the decisions. Couple that with the treason of the managerial class generally and you get what you have now.

      3. The government said these were perfectly safe or worked:

        – Syphilis vaccinations for Black men.
        – Exposure to fallout from nuclear testing.
        – Radiation testing on civilians
        – Tobacco usage.
        – Preventing all forest fires.
        – Project MKULTRA
        – Operation Fast and Furious
        – Secret testing of mustard gas on U.S. Navy sailors.
        – Coolidge Administration poisoning of industrial alcohol
        – You can keep your healthcare
        – NSA Trailblazer
        Do I REALLY need to continue?
        How much evidence does the rest of this nation need to know that our government can not be trusted on anything?

    2. I personally think QAnon, Pizzagate and some of the more extreme vaccine conspiracy theories were created by the government.

      Yes, it’s a conspiracy to make you think there’s a conspiracy. The idea is so dumb I can totally imagine the government doing it.

  4. My mother was offered thalidomide when she was pregnant with my eldest sister. “Or,” the Doc said with a wink, “you can just take a thimbleful of vodka to settle your stomach. It’s cheaper.” So thus my eldest sister was born without the grotesque malformation of thalidomide.The other result of thalidomide was a massive number of miscarriages.

    Because of that, I’ve always had the “nine month rule.” Has a woman taken the shot and delivered a healthy baby nine months later? When the jab started being pushed, I said: “Sure, okay, let’s wait nine months.”

    And now we are seeing miscarriages, and heart attacks, and strokes, and Bell’s palsy, and lots and lots of people dying in their sleep. I will take an honor guard to hell with me before I take this shot.

    1. My only qualm about linking the vaccine to miscarriages is that even if the vaccine has no impact whatsoever on miscarriage rates, you would expect to see a lot of miscarriages to vaccinated mothers because miscarriage rates are far higher than most people think. At my age (38), I would have a 40-50% miscarriage rate if I could even become pregnant. (That rate is around a 5% chance per month with no complicating factors.) It remains possible that the vaccine- miscarriage connection is an illusion caused by higher maternal age and a willingness to blame the vaccine instead of “this is just something that happens a lot that no one, particularly your fertility clinic, likes to talk about as a likely outcome of your pregnancy.”

      Now, I’m not getting the vaccine in part because I’d still like to be a mother (inshallah) and I’m not willing to take the chance that it won’t affect anything. But teasing how many miscarriages of vaccinated women are linked to the vaccines is not a simple task.

      1. We have data for this one. Those who got the vaccine in the first 20 weeks had zero survivors, making it an objectively better morning after pill than the products sold as such.

        1. And that would be normal for ANY vaccine given during pregnancy, with specific exceptions for reproductive diseases in livestock that themselves cause abortion.

          It’s not the vaccine that’s special here. It’s that pregnancy requires partially suppressing the immune system so the fetus is not attacked as foreign tissue (because it is genetically distinct from the mother). Goose the immune system (with vaccine, disease, or allergic response) and suddenly that suppression vanishes, and voila, instant abortion.

            1. Similar problem with a female friend. Her body had antibodies to her husband’s sperm. Impossible to get pregnant. Except when she came down with influenza and pneumonia. Bing, Bang, Boom. Only thing I couldn’t figure out was how she felt good enough to even have sex.

        2. Do you have a reference for that one? I’d like to show my dad (an ultrasound tech) whose hospital experience has only been seeing pregnant women with Covid die, not pregnancy complications caused by vaccines.

          To be clear: I wasn’t saying that the vaccines definitely don’t cause miscarriages, only that anecdotes of miscarriages of vaccinated women would be expected regardless of any vaccine abortifacient effects.

          I’ve always found it striking the way those who struggle to conceive and the “quiverfull” seem to have a much better idea just how much a live birth is a miracle than the standard “two kids and snip his balls” types. Going from sex to baby requires so many things to go right it’s amazing that anyone is born.

            1. You might be slant-remembering the study that found, from the numbers in the preliminary release, that the vaccination was roughly as effective in actual use as the birth control pill, as far as preventing a live-born child?

              Well, studies, plural.

              Original study was Preliminary Findings of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine Safety in Pregnant Persons— there is no completed version that I have heard about, or that came up when I tried to search for “mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine Safety in Pregnant Persons” with the names of the researchers included.

              It was popularly reported as showing the vaccines were safe.

              It was updated that they couldn’t accurately report on miscarriage rate in response to the letter titled On Preliminary Findings of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine Safety in Pregnant Persons

              The response with the break-down of risk that was published is:

              Spontaneous Abortions and Policies on COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine Use During Pregnancy

              If folks have an Epoch Times sub (not sure if it’s still available with a free account)
              https://www.theepochtimes.com/researchers-call-for-halt-on-covid-19-vaccines-for-pregnant-women-after-re-analysis-of-cdc-study_4081606.html

              1. The original paper’s claim and the “most of those vaccinated in the first trimester miscarried” claim are both nonsense for the same underlying reason: at the time they collected the data, nobody vaccinated in the first trimester could have been past about 29 weeks. About 90% of them were still pregnant. Weirdly, the response you linked mentions this explicitly but keeps repeating the 82% loss number, which is the same thing they complain about the original authors doing in their “correction.”

                https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2113891 — Follow-up, still some weird aspects but at least they’re not doing the equivalent of analyzing graduation/dropout rates for everybody who was in high school last year. Not the same sample. Only followed through 20 weeks. Ignored losses before 6 weeks, which they claim is standard practice. (The appendix notes 33 miscarriages and 2 ectopic pregnancies before 6 weeks.) Apparently did some calculations counting lost to follow-up as pregnancy loss, which seems unlikely to be standard practice but I guess it could be.

                1. at the time they collected the data, nobody vaccinated in the first trimester could have been past about 29 weeks.

                  Using the still birth vs miscarriage cut-off of 20 weeks, you *can* say that they didn’t miscarry — and I’d guess that the response folks’ ears perked up because the guys releasing the preliminary study knew all the relevant statistics. And didn’t report the breakdown by week, etc.

                  The study you link isn’t a follow up of the original study.
                  The original study was based on medical records for several hospitals; the linked study is based on the self-reported information in a self-selected population.

                  1. Using the still birth vs miscarriage cut-off of 20 weeks, you *can* say that they didn’t miscarry

                    Right, “has (or would have) reached 20 weeks since vaccination” would have given meaningful results, and did in the subsequent paper. I should probably go into more detail, because the dates are really a key factor here.

                    On Preliminary Findings of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine Safety in Pregnant Persons analyzed a sample of 3958 women who’d received the vaccine from Dec. 14, 2020 to Feb. 28, 2021, based on data collected as of Mar. 30, 2021. (The paper was up on the NEJM website Apr. 21, which is ludicrously fast.) They used 14 and 28 weeks as trimester cutoffs, so as of data collection, those categorized as first-trimester recipients would have been at 4-29 weeks, second-trimester at 18+, third-trimester at 32+.

                    The results they reported in the abstract were based on the 827 already completed pregnancies. This is… entirely the wrong math and it was completely irresponsible to report it let alone to base recommendations on it. Their “correction” also failed to address the actual problem.

                    Basically, they got the 70% of the third-trimester group who’d given birth, the somewhere-around-10% of the first-trimester group for whom things had gone wrong, and a very tiny handful of the second-trimester group.

                    However, this skewed sample is a consequence of the fact that “completed pregnancies” isn’t a valid denominator here, and it still isn’t if you break it down by trimester. It’s like… if you want to analyze high school student outcomes in terms of dropout vs. graduation, and you look only at students who were enrolled in high school last year and not this year, you just ignored a bunch of your sample who aren’t done yet. Looking at the whole student body may obscure the error if the bulk of kids who left school were graduating seniors. Looking only at last year’s sophomores should highlight the problem.

                    It is correct to point out the skewed sample and the fact that most of the non-3rd-trimester recipients were still pregnant, so the original analysis was premature and wrong. The fact that pregnancies “completed” well before term will inevitably include a high proportion of deaths no matter what else is going on should effectively highlight the problem with the analysis.

                    It was not correct for the authors of the response to treat “completed pregnancies” as if it were a legitimate denominator and consequently claim that the shots were nearly guaranteeing miscarriage. They were still doing the wrong math.

                    The study you link isn’t a follow up of the original study.
                    The original study was based on medical records for several hospitals; the linked study is based on the self-reported information in a self-selected population.

                    Um… On Preliminary Findings of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine Safety in Pregnant Persons, which we both previously referred to as the original study in this thread, got the numbers for its screwed-up percentages from the v-safe pregnancy registry. That is also what the subsequent study I linked was using, although you’re right that it wasn’t the same sample — the second one runs it out to July 19 and focuses strictly on vaccinations and outcomes (loss vs ongoing pregnancy) up to 20 weeks.

                    I would appreciate being directed to the one based on records from several hospitals — was it discussed in another thread?

      2. The 40-50% stat can be really complicated by where and when the study was done– the study I’ve seen that claimed a 50% loss rate was based on IVF losses.

        Which, while obviously horrible, and actually an objective measure, won’t work well for carrying the model across to the general population; the therapy itself would reasonably be expected to result in problems.

        Attempts to harmonize the two that I’ve seen involve a lot of assuming the difference is made up by unidentified pregnancies.

      3. May Himself watch over you and yours, and blessings be upon your home, Miss Amy. A good mother you shall be, should it come to pass.

      4. Not an official study, but miscarriage/still births are up way past regular rates.

        https://thecovidworld.com/explosive-rise-in-ontario-stillbirths-triggers-parliamentary-questions-denials-from-government/

        Brief summary: Time period January-June 2021. Average rate of miscarriages/stillbirths 1-2 per month.
        This years total for the same time period – 86.
        Mothers: vaccinated

        Scotland apparently had an inquiry triggered this summer because incidents of stillbirth were enough up over regular averages to raise red flag.

        Not a proper study, correlation does not equal causation, but still worrying.

  5. I think it’s also possible that both of your takes on Q are correct – it started out as wishful thinking, probably those Watkins people, and then got taken over by a psi ops group.

    Also, when a very close loved one takes the vaccine, and you see the subtle changes, the subtle deteriorations, growing over time, well, it’s easier to emphatically insist these shots are safe and that everyone better agree with you, because otherwise your life is now drastically different.

    1. It is also possible to have the opposite reaction ‘yeah, that guy was a fool. I would have counseled against it, but he has listening issues, and have had to make my peace with that. Like hockeysticks will I vaccinate.”

    2. Yeah, I doubt Q was all one thing.

      But I looked at what was being presented, and said, Oh, someone is being Nostradamus, and pretty much dismissed it thereafter as playing to wishful thinking (and a pretty good marker for gullibility).

      “Trust the plan.”
      Which plan might that be??
      “You don’t need to know.”
      Then how do you know there’s a plan?
      “We’re in the know.”
      Really? Corroborate that.
      [crickets]

    3. Three women in our tiny church have varying degrees of cognitive issues. One of them is diagnosed as early dementia and went from, ” a little absent-minded,” to, “they’ve just called in hospice,” in just over a year. A second is following a similar path and at six months or so is forgetting her sister has horses, to the sister’s horror. Watching their husbands care for them is heart-breaking.
      A third is also getting vague, but she was put on medication a couple of years ago that appears to have messed her up.
      I would both love and hate to know if they were vaccinated. OTOH, the horse-raising sister is at least double vaxxed and fine.

  6. At this point, I pretty much automatically disregard any pronouncements made by those in authority, unless confirmed by others knowledgeable whom I personally trust at truthful.

    Didn’t get the vaccine (any of them), don’t plan to. Pick whatever reason you want, religious objections, something else, it doesn’t matter. East Tennessee hillbilly here–don’t even try to say “you must…” That’s just waving a red cape at a bull.

      1. You’re one of us, Miss Sarah. Never doubt it. The South sticks to you, the people what understand and recognize what it is to be Southern. It is a very American way to be.

          1. Born in [whispers] Chicago, but Scandahoovian maternal grandfather, and stubborn cusses for the other three g’parents.

            One of my doctors told me not to get the shot–said doctor unidentified because reprisals at the rural hospital are a thing, and he was in the best position to know my chances for which reaction if I took it. FWIW, my primary care doctor is a vax-pusher, and demanded to know Who Told Me Not To Get The Shot. (I’m stuck with him–rural county, so not much choice, and he’s affiliated with that hospital. None others in reasonable range.) I very politely told him to pound sand. Sideways.

  7. The truth about Covid is coming out because people see anecdotal evidence around them and believe their lying eyes instead of official government claims.

    The truth about the 2020 election is harder to discern because the evidence is hidden from public view. “Trust the Plan” may have failed to stop The Usurper from stealing the Oval Office, but that doesn’t mean the election was free and fair. Give it more time. The truth will out, eventually.

      1. I reluctantly concluded that Q was a psyop intended to keep the people seated and quiet while the election was stolen. But my, in those dark days of November 2020, the Q “trust the plan” postings seemed like the only hope. And then everything was dashed. And I was very sad, and the darkness felt like it was rising to consume the world.

        And then a little beam of silvery light came through the black, and your blog was AccordingtoHoyt, and I started hoping again. I don’t know if I’m the only one who feels like your posts and your community rescued me from the deepest despair. But you did. Thank you.

    1. One of the reasons Q should have been rejected on first principles? /Never/ trust ‘the plan’.

      There is quite a bit of evidence of electoral fraud, easily accessible to be public.

      1. What does the con man say when he’s getting desperate? “Trust me.” Yeah, no. Show your sources, verify independently, judge truth from lies *yourself.* That’s what rational adults do. Blind trust is for cults.

  8. All’s controlled by a writer’s cabal.
    Writers plot.
    Science fantasy writers plot strange plots.
    The world around us, stranger by the minute.
    Coincidence? I think not.

  9. I will always be grateful to Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson for The Illuminati Trilogy. They took every conspiracy theory you’d ever heard of (to that point in time) and tied them all together.
    The universe is not only wierder than you imagine it to be, it’s wierder than you’re CAPABLE of imagining it to be.

    1. Umberto Eco did the same in Foucault’s Pendulum. He used a random number generating program as the device to tie everything together.

  10. This is probably where I admit that when people on mewe started talking about how the vaccines were damaging heart muscle, or causing heart attacks, or whatever, I thought it was of a piece with the chick who was so convinced they were putting a neurotransmitter in it that she was trying to glue magnets to herself.

    ….is it bad that my first reaction to this was to figure out how that would work, identify it as “magnet grabs transmitters,” and think “that magnetic jewelry would do a MUCH better job of it”?

    Can even replace the inset magnets with rare earth if you want really, really powerful magnets.

    1. That one isn’t even a challenge.
      But I’ll always feel a bit sad that Gobleki Tepe isn’t at the foot of Mt. Ararat. (And is instead about 400 miles away.)

  11. I wonder about the, “overwhelming number of people are vaccinated,” figures. Are they true? Note two women in New York just got arrested for selling fake vaccine cards….(I’m shocked! Shocked, I tell you!)

    1. I read that there have been over 9 billion vaccines administered worldwide, or billed anyway. Pfizer really had to replace Viagra since they had nothing good in the pipeline.

      1. 9 billion mRNA pseudo-vaxes sold to gummints and delivered, and claimed to have been used, or actually shot in arms?

        And not 9 billion mixes of the almost a vax, but not, packages and tradvaxes ala the flu shots?(Sinovacs &…?)

  12. Sarah,
    I read your blog posts on occasion but simply lurk. For others, you can take my Covid experiences fwiw as anecdotal or dismiss them entirely. Sorry in advance for a long post.

    I am in a high risk group due to an autoimmune condition, age, and other risk factors. Furthermore, the particular drugs that I take for my autoimmune condition make me more susceptible to respiratory infections. I have some prior lung damage from a severe case of pneumonia several decades ago and the work that I did at the time. So, for my condition, I have taken quercetin and vitamin d all year around for reduction in inflammation as well as the script drugs for my particular condition. During the early 2020 period, I started taking Vitamin C with Z mix in addition to other drugs plus just prior to that, in Nov 2019, I had a complete heart MRI stress test due to some symptoms. Good news was that my heart and assorted vessels were fine and that the pain stemmed from back deterioration in the thoracic area.

    I avoided getting Covid for over a year but in late 2020, had an unrelated infection which carried into 2021, then got my first case of Coof after my wife got it probably from her job. My recovery took several months as other than palliative care for classic Coof symptoms, I received no drugs. I did sleep on my stomach to help breathing and used my cpap. I credit both of those as probably avoiding hospitalization.
    Later, after some apparent additional lung damage, and aggravated by bronchitis post Coof infection, I received antibiotics and steroids to help clear my bronchitis from the lungs. My blood pressure soared for months before receding to normal.

    So, I received the J&J vaccine in April just before the suspension because it was unclear whether I would have any immunity to a second infection because I am autoimmune. Vaccines take time to develop antibodies due to my condition, so I take flu shots and others when they become available. Unfortunately, I had a second severe attack of something attacking my immune system in mid June 2021 with blood pressure reaching stroke levels plus spiking my autoimmune conditions which had been under control for years. Had to switch prescriptions and add helper medication. Eventually, that receded. In January of this year, I got the Coof again and it is following the same path of raising blood pressures, secondary infection (sinuses this time) and aggravating my autoimmune conditions, etc. FWIW, I was treated with Paxlovid (aka Pfizer mectin) during the infection which probably kept matters from getting worse. I am now being referred to a pulmonologist because of persistently low blood oxygen levels with its commensurate effect on my memory and any endurance beyond walking across the room.

    Because of my autoimmune and other medical problems, I am atypical of a lot of folks but I would advise asking your doctors treating that condition if you should get the coof vaccine and I would assume a two shot course, let alone boosters, might worsen things. Second, due to my condition already with the potential of causing heart inflammation, I have numerous imagining, test results, etc. that basically had my heart system as healthy prior to rounds of Coof and the vaccine. I also have good measures of bone health, etc. prior to these recent Covid problems so I will be curious to see if my heart, circulatory system, blood pressure hikes, and other body problems caused by inflammation will be observed over the next several months.

    In summary, these are the lessons that I learned. One is that Coof is survivable. Been there, done that twice. First time so far was worse in effect than the more recent infection probably due to treatment via Paxlovid and other drugs. The second lesson is that not everyone develops immunity to getting it again. Whether the vaccine helped me avoid a severe case the second time or actually damaged immunity from my first infection is really impossible to answer. What I can say is that the vaccine will not necessarily prevent you from getting Coof again and further boosters are probably not advisable just to keep you from getting it. Those at severe risk may differ on that. In my case, I did have relatively serious side effects probably from the vaccine that caused my autoimmune condition to flare–be careful if you are in this boat with me.

    Long term effects of the vaccine and Covid infections, dunno. I am more or less conducting a natural experiment of before and after because I have extensive medical records, test results, and imaging of before and after, bouts of covid and the vaccine in the middle. After seeing my cardiologist and other doctors this year, I may have a better idea of what lies ahead and I will try to drop in and inform when I have some more answers. I hope you find this helpful.

    1. I have friends who are vaccinated. Their choice. MORALLY I can’t do it. Even if the Coof were ten times as much of a problem.
      Given autoimmune and my weird reactions to things, I WOULDN’T do it, unless ten times worse, even without moral issues.

      1. I’m with you on the moral aspect of the available vaccines for COVID.

        I was told by my neurologist When they were first releasing the experimental vaccines that because I have a blood cancer and also MS and a stroke risk that I should not even consider taking any vaccine whatsoever unless it had been tested for at least 5 years on people with autoimmune issues.

        At the time I thought to myself that I would do my own research and get them if I thought they would be helpful. He wasn’t going to be able to stop ME!

        What I found during my research made me absolutely certain sure I would NOT be taking them, because of side effects. THEN I discovered the baby parts connection. Not doing that. No way. I’d rather die. And after all we all will die.

        Also it seems very fishy to me that they vaccinated the control group as soon as they could. What drug trial does THAT after a mere few months?!

        1. If an experimental drug or treatment shows such enormous beneficial effects compared to the control group that withholding the drug/treatment from the people in the control-group would be unethical, then the trial is stopped and those people are given the experimental drug. This is rare to say the least, and the few cases I know of all involved drugs for terminal conditions like cancer, but it does happen. With the level of Covid-panic in the world during 2020, and the claimed level of protection given by the first couple of vaccines, I can easily see it happening during a vaccine trial.

          1. Said panic and “level of protection” claims made by the same people. I call BS/covering up adverse reactions by cancelling the control.

          2. Harvard Physicians’ Health Study, double-blind study of aspirin and beta carotene. “The trial’s Data and Safety Monitoring Board stopped the aspirin arm of the PHS several years ahead of schedule because it was clear that aspirin had a significant effect on the risk of a first myocardial infarction. As reported in the July 20, 1989 New England Journal of Medicine, aspirin reduced the risk of first myocardial infarction by 44% (P less than 0.00001).” https://phs.bwh.harvard.edu/phs1.htm#follow
            Dad was part of that study and commented at the time that the results must have been really spectacular to have the investigators stop part of it “in the middle.”

  13. My wife and I are looking to have another kid sometime in the next couple of years. If this pans out….

    There is more than a bit of the berzerker in her, I’m an engineer, and we will both have been hurt beyond measure.

    1. The good news is that the body tries to get rid of used up white blood cells every three months, and the rest of the body is also very good at getting rid of damage. So if boosters are not deployed , say, every three months….

  14. As to the whole Q thing, I didn’t bother, although I may have absorbed things second-hand. First rule, if you’re writing anonymously on the internet, anybody else could plausibly claim to be you. That just makes it all useless right there.

    As to the vaccines, I’m surrounded by many vaxxed people and have heard no reports other than, “Really knocked out for a day.” I listed my decision tree and best intel I could gather at that time, in the comments on Sarah’s January 10 post. Only the numbers change, not the logic. Like Sarah, I won’t get vaxxed due to the aborted fetus lineage although I was still likely to take an anti-mandate stand based on freedom of choice (gee, where have I heard that one?). Then I found out J&J was also tainted. Almost all of medical research has now been compromised based on the “just use the aborted baby body parts. They’re cheaper,” mentality that abortionists have pushed on the medical establishment.

    It’s good not to worry if I live or die anymore, not that I’m trying to speed up the process! Just don’t have to care anymore.

    1. First two shots (old enough, well it has been a good ride), was punkish for a couple of days, sore arms. Third shot kicked my ass. I was very, very, very, sick for a week. Only thought I wasn’t going to live sick. Fever ran 100.8 to 101.9, with the expected aches, and that was eating fever reducing OTC meds every 4 hours, and NiQuel (I believe in breathing, thank you). Did not go to urgent care or hospital. Not the flu. If covid (could have been, son was diagnosed two weeks before, symptoms – a slight fever for 3 days), then the prior vaccinations were worthless.

    2. Well, both my wife and I had no reaction to our shots (Pfizer), either the first or second one. Other than a sore arm for a day or so, but that’s pretty much normal with any kind of injection into muscle tissue. Neither of us had the “knocked out for a day” reaction. So now you’ve heard at least a couple of reports of someone experiencing no detectable side effects.

  15. Guess who’s under the weather and just tested positive for the Wuhan Sino Middle Kingdon XiFlu?
    yup
    Me.
    Saturday night tinnitus started getting louder, and for me that usually means fever.
    100.8 on the touchless temp taker (typically I will be 97.7) then hunted the oral one, and got 100.9 (maybe an hour later and after eating). Most of sunday was the low-grade fever, and body aches, and I decided about noon that whatever it was, I was not working for a few days. Monday I felt a bit worse, in aches, but the fever has been under 100 most of the time, then later in the day a bit of sore throat crept in with a bit of cough.
    Feels like a headcold. Not the worst I’ve had, not the mildest. Still got smell and taste.

    1. Sounds like the symptoms I had. Correct, I’ve been sicker with a cold, even as sick as I was first week of the year. And I was only feeling crappy, but not feeling like I was dying. In fact same symptoms as Dec 2019, but I was sick longer, and sicker, but “that wasn’t covid” is what I keep getting told (by just about everyone, including medical personnel).

      1. My cousin was sick from just after xmas ’19 into the new year, and his wife also with all the WuFlu checkboxes ticked and they get told the same thing, and his wife went a long time without taste or smell. My work place had “something” go through about then too, and it was “flu-like” but it didn’t trip the flu tests. Wasn’t Wuflu because they can’t claim it as a treated case and get money from it.

          1. Yeah, temped to do some work on my truck muffler is succumbing to salt after 6 years, and the driveshaft center bearing came apart Friday driving home from work. I got it stable for local use Friday night, but the new part came in yesterday (Muffler came Saturday). But I just try to rest and sleep off as much as I can.

      2. Positive test to PCR ,negative RAT but I presume It was indeed Omicron, no other cold/flu since march 2020.

        Not the worst cold I have ever had but not terrible and I did have a bit of brain fog for a couple of days which I dont for colds.

        2 days of sore throat. a week of coughing and sneezing gradually improving, no headache, no fever, no loss of taste, smell. some difficulty sleeping but that may have been from “omg I have covid”,My general health condition is late 50’s, diabetes, strokes,high blood pressure. No Vaccination.

        The amusing thing was despite being 2 metres away indoors from 2 friends for 30+ minutes who also not vaccinated on day 1, they caught nothing.

        the tv news medical advice seems to be the more severe the infection, the better the protection.

        1. Son low grade fever – not home quick Covid test positive, symptoms gone before results were back.

          Hubby (dad) low grade fever – for maybe 24 hours, presume covid, but who knows because didn’t test.

          Mom (me) relatively high fever (know I’m suppose to hit urgent care if it hits 102, it didn’t quite go that high, 101.9) – aches, no problem sleeping, but then NiQuel knocks me out, so there is that. Secondary infection, sinuses and chest. I coughed for weeks. Again presuming covid, but who knows because didn’t test.

          Hubby wasn’t sick long enough to bother. I was too sick (honestly) to care. No way was I going down to urgent care to wait to be tested. Was not going to emergency either.

          The quick home Covid test are non-existent locally. Oh there are those who claim they are here. Tried to find one for son before he went to urgent care. He had to have a test regardless because he needed the paperwork to be allowed back to work (5 days after symptom free). First symptom Sunday, Christmas day (thus canceling Christmas dinner), last day with symptoms Wednesday, back to work Monday, Jan 2, swing shift, so pushing the “5 days”, but close enough. Good thing no longer required to stay home if anyone in the household is sick, or he’d been out another 2 weeks.

          1. My place has gone to 5 days after symptoms show if they pass within the 5 days. So I started feeling it late Saturday and if tomorrow around non, I say I feel fine and don’t have a fever etc, Friday would be fine to go in for work.
            Meh, I’ll take the day and be sure.

          2. oh, and I timed my test purchase with the warm spell we just had, so mine didn’t get frozen, and being home didn’t sit out but a few minutes. I still killed one by testing with no swabbing to ensure they hadn’t been frozen.

    2. Good to hear you’re still alive, then. After all, the Coof is deadly! All the top men tell us so!

      In all seriousness, hope you get well soon. May Himself grant it be so.

      1. shockingly if it passes fast enough they’ll let me back to work Friday. I plan on being off regardless and let it pass more before working, because I will be busy.

  16. Well yes, of course that’s how he was killed, but the real question is were they feathered or scaled?

    1. Honestly, the Canadian truckers protest is one of the things giving me hope right now. May God bless them.

  17. I was recently in the restroom at an ob/gyn office connected to a major Southeastern US medical college, and there were signs everywhere about the many vaccines that women MUST take while pregnant, including one that they said had to be taken with EVERY pregnancy. I thought one had to be really careful while pregnant and was kind of shocked (never been pregnant, but have been around ob/gyn offices since my mother was pregnant with my siblings and didn’t remember seeing signs like this).

    1. In 2013, the advice for pregnant women changed to getting DTaP, for the tetanus protection for the kid and pertussis (whooping cough) for both. They don’t like to point it out, but that’s connected to illegal immigrants tending not to be vaccinated against that.

      Live vaccines are supposed to NEVER be touched, flu vaccines have been pushed for about the last 10-15 years (I got sicker than I have ever been the one time I gave in to the bullying and got one while pregnant; I’d always had reactions, but mild enough I thought I’d just managed to catch “something” every year), and there’s a whole list of vaccines you’re supposed to have at least one month prior to becoming pregnant.

      Most of the signs– even the ones on the CDC website– do a very poor job of outlining the vaccines to have BEFORE getting pregnant, and the vaccines to get WHILE pregnant.

      1. You’re thinking of folic acid, which is already included in prenatal vitamins. But since FDA has been requiring most refined flour breads be supplemented with folic acid, it’s been less of a problem. (I believe the deficiency has been tied to spina bifida, so it’s a big deal to avoid).

  18. All I can say is that this is disturbing me to a level I — as a connoisseur of Conpiratorium — can’t even begin to explain.

    I have tried explaining to people just how much my sense of reality is broken by the past two years. I thought I was cynical but I’m learning it is impossible for me to be cynical enough for the reality we live in.

    “Shhh. Give me half an hour. I just got to the good part. They just linked Gobleki Tepe to the age of Aquarius!”

    How is that possible? The Age of Aquarius started in either 1840 or 1962 and is a 2,160 year part of a 25,920 year cycle. Gobleki Tepe is closer to 6 Ages prior to/After the Age of Aquarius…the opposite side of the cycle.

    1. The ending of the ice age was a literal age of Aquarius.
      Complete with floods so massive that you can’t wrap your brain around the sheer size of them. (An ice dam failing is a real watershed moment. And Asia Minor up through the Caucasus Mountains got hit as hard and as frequently as the Missoula and Bonneville Floods hit the Pacific Northwest, maybe worse.)
      Not to mention the Black Sea forming about then.

    2. Originally in Babylonian astrology, the ‘age’ was the one the sun was pointing towards at the vernal equinox, not rising in. So we’re in Leo now. You know. In theory.

  19. So could I have prayers for a person I know who is currently in the hospital with COVID? Severe sleep apnea, under-treated (I guess he’s had real trouble making a CPAP work for him), and last I heard, he was critical-but-stable and sedated (which nobody’s said, but is usually related to intubation.) His family is the one I’ve mentioned, with trace allergies to all sorts of weird things (including some medical fillers), but they all came through the sickness fine.

  20. Sometimes, I think our reasoning gets needlessly complex. Very simple point: if you test ANYTHING for 3 months, the absolute most you can know is its safety and effectiveness for – 3 months. That’s the most you could possibly know. (In the real world, you’ll know much less than that.)

    Thus: from day 1, all claims that the experimental drugs had been shown to be safe and effective were obviously false. No one could know that based on the limited time testing was done. And lo and behold, turns out effectiveness fades rapidly at around 3 months. Huh.

    As far as risks go, new drugs are generally tested for 7 to 10 years before they are released, and even then, it’s not unknown to find side effects after the drug is released. As mentioned by others, MRNA stuff has been around for over a decade – yet, not a single MRNA drug had been approved before the “vaccines” (correct me if I’m wrong here). Even though billions had been invested in the technology by Pfitzner and Moderna. It’s like they’re inherently ineffective, dangerous, or both.

    The claims of safety and effectiveness made after a few months of testing fail the sniff test.

    And, to second our hostess, I’m not taking anything pushed this hard by the lying panic monkeys demanding I take it. No, no, and no. I’ll die free before I submit to living like a cockroach.

  21. I have low cholesterol, run (3) 5k’s a week, weigh 165, have a good BMI and….Had the second covid shot and 4 days later had a heart attack. Did the shot cause it? I don’t know, but I’m not getting any damn booster, that’s for sure.

  22. I’ve always been partial to the explanation that since horn was the ‘plastic’ of the pre-modern world, ancient advanced tech of a type could have been created that’s since biodegraded, leaving little physical evidence.

    I also liked Gene Wolfe’s short story “Straw” where he shows how medieval people could have had hot air balloons.

    1. It doesn’t even have to be that complicated.
      People live near water. There’s nothing like two ice ages to remove the evidence. Between glaciers, cataclysmic floods, and sea level changes, what could even be found?

      If this this sounds flip, it really isn’t. From radio carbon dating of cave paintings, we know language and trade existed over 40,000 years ago. (It takes a lot of abstract concepts—from flint knapping, to string making, to glue making, etc.—to make a bow and arrows. Or paints, for that matter. This means language existed, and information was being passed on.)
      There have been two Ice Ages since then.
      Who knows what our ancestors achieved during that period?
      (OK, they had to start from square one. It’s very unlikely that they developed iron, much less flying cars. But there were almost certainly cities we know nought of, desperate wars lost to the dark, and thirsty, depraved gods squatting in the forgotten hollows of the earth.)

  23. Re: “From now on, I’m going to assume I know nothing about how reality actually works…”

    I can prove reality is on an extended bender with a single observation: the Cincinnati Bengals are in the Super Bowl.

    1. You should have heard it in my neighborhood when the Bengals won Sunday. There were fireworks, firecrackers, guns, and honking horns for the next two hours. I guess fans are happy since its been 33 years since their last appearance at the Super Bowl.

        1. After all, if the *Cubs* can make it in my lifetime… Heck, I’d have expected the Bengals before the Cubs before 2016. But that was a strange year. A good year- but many things I never expected to see.

          May the Bengals, strange as it may seem, be a beacon to those who’ve little hope. Miracles *do* happen!

          1. At the time, I thought about the scene in The Avengers where Cap wakes up in a room designed to make him think he’s still in the 40’s… but something’s off. And I thought, what better way to make someone think “Hey, someone’s trying to trick me” than to wake up to a newspaper headline that reads “President-Elect Donald Trump Congratulates Cubs on World Series Win”? Except that the awesome part is that it actually happened, and the newspaper headline would not be a trick.

  24. Oh, me too! Love the conspiracy books, always a raised eyebrow for ‘conspiracy theories.’ Until the last 2 or 3 months, when ‘reality’ became unexplainable any other way. Red pills for everyone!

          1. Keep it up, boyo….. 😎

            When the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
            He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
            But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
            For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

  25. There seems to be evidence that the particular protein chosen in of itself toxic… and that vaccinations that wander into a vein can spread much farther than intended by an IM injection should.
    All, of course, mere conspiracy theory

    1. This week’s ‘conspiracy theory’ is next week’s Babylon Bee headline is next month’s established fact.

      Fauxi & Co. should be tried TWICE for crimes against humanity, once for the disease and again for the ‘cure’.

  26. Neither my husband nor I have been vaccinated. We had Covid back in November. I got tested because my ‘bad cold’ was trying to settle in my ear, and I didn’t want an ear infection. My doctor’s office told me that to be seen, I’d have to have a negative Covid test. I went to the local Urgent Care that does walk-in(drive-up) testing, and after getting a Positive test result, the doctor there, prescribed me an antibiotic for “bronchitis” that did the trick on getting rid of the pressure in my ear. I also was out of work for the next week under Michigans policy of home quarantine for 10 days from the onset of symptoms once tested positve.

    In December, my husband was not feeling well. He checked his O2 and pulse rate with our oximeter, and his pulse was over 150! Using the same oximeter, mine was a normal 75. He was positive that the meter had something wrong with it, so I got a new one from Amazon. 2 days later, the new one showed me as having a normal pulse rate, so he checked his. One check showed his pulse at 155. Putting the meter on a different finger and checking again, showed 38. At that point I called the doctor’s office and they said take him to the ER.

    We ended up staying in the ER overnight. His diagnosis was atrial flutter. I asked if having Covid might have caused this (he didn’t have heart problems before), and the cardiologist said it was quite possible. My husband was scheduled for a procedure called cardioversion which is basically rebooting the heart. It worked and he was sent home. His follow-up visit with the doctor is this coming Friday to find out how the new medications are doing on keeping his heart rate in line.

    Since the mRNA shots cause heart issues, and don’t keep you from getting Covid, why would anyone want to get the jab?

  27. Reading this…

    “I wouldn’t be surprised at this point if the vaccine was meant to sterilize people, I just hope they’re really incompetent.”

    Brought to mind an old, 1982, Frank Herbert novel “The White Plague.”

    1. That was a terrifying story. 99.9999% fatal to women. Doubled male longevity for the purpose of increasing despair among the surviving men. Totally destroyed world civilization. Initial means of dispersal was contact with infected currency. And THEN it escaped from humans and spread to other species. World was looking at a total ecological collapse if they hadn’t developed a vaccine for it and went after all the animals they could find.

  28. Full disclosure: I took a week listening to Q and then the “there is a plan” began to grate on me. I don’t trust any plan unless I know “what it is,” and “if I had an oar in it.” I do love conspiracy theories especially when “they are turning the frogs gay,” and “there is a pedo island,” which both turned out to be true. I wonder how many other conspiracy theories are actually conspiracies.

    I wonder if we will learn that aliens are dimensional beings– some good and some bad– who are giving people like Pelosi immortality (heaven forbid) and lots of money. I wonder if it was one of those Alphabet soup agencies that did kill JFK and pinned it on some schmuck. I wonder if the military put some chemical in their food to make sure their military members (with high clearances) would die ten years after they retire or get terrible chronic illnesses to cut short their usefulness. I wonder who the men and women in black are. (Yes, I saw a woman in black a few years ago).

    And lastly, I wonder if sterilization is the goal with this vaccine mandate.

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