143 thoughts on “Alive. Exhausted

  1. Stay alive. It’s a prerequisite for everything else, including cat rotating, food gazing, and book sniffing. And writing, of course, because it’s the only thing that makes sense sometimes.

  2. Moving is always a time of suckage.

    Just think how much better you’ll feel after a couple of weeks at lower altitude.

    1. And click the box to follow the comments that will come sometime . . . sometime . . . . [Oops, wrong song, sorry. that’s Somewhere . . . Somewhere . . .]

            1. Sluggy Freelance is still two times a week on average, Sandra and Woo three times a week, The-Whiteboard is still daily. Vexxarr seems about every other week.

          1. I haven’t read that comic in years so I don’t know if this gag’s already been used, but I always thought Madeline’s ultimate weapon should be the Hoe of Destruction from Ultima 7.

              1. OK, There’s a “Land Of Oz Theme Park” there so I wondered. 😀

          1. As If I’d throw a rock in the land of the Quodlings. Glinda would look in her book, see I was going to do it and then come and look at me with that “I’m So disappointed in you” look she has. And I’m a sucker for red heads. And even if I did throw it the rock would probably end up in the china doll land and I’d spend days gluing stuff back together. Nope, Not gonna do it…

  3. Check. Moved eldest into third floor dorm during heat advisory. Thankfully, dorm is air conditioned. Didn’t collapse just felt out of shape and overweight. Also, wise wife had advised the use of a cart.

  4. We’ll survive. You have to survive the packing, moving, and unpacking (although take it from me, unpacking takes forever).

  5. Recipe for staying alive: Breathe out. Breathe in. Repeat as many times as possible. 😉

    The house we have rented for 15 years is being sold out from under us at the end of the year. So we, too, are learning the joys and tribulations of long-distance house hunting, embarking on the packing of too many books, and shuddering at the looming logistics of the actual transfer of goods from here to there, wheresoever there ends up being. The hope is to be both sane and solvent at the end of the process. (You can stop laughing now.)

    We have decided to buy this time, because it would be wonderful to be able to drive a nail into the wall for a picture, and to plant some flowers of our choice. So I have been taking notes from your experiences and those of everyone else here in the same situation.


    1. Sounds like you have a lot of time. Almost 4 1/2 months. Hint, you don’t. Good Luck finding the house you want. Home ownership is way better than renting.

      We did exactly this in ’88. We hadn’t been renting the house as near as long, but were definitely contented to stay there. Then one of the owner’s got sick (elderly couple), and they had to sell. We made an offer. Too soon for our offer. We couldn’t wait until they came to their senses. Actually sold for less than we offered. But by then we were in the middle of our own purchase. Can’t say we “settled” because we’ve been here now for almost 33 years. But we did make a decision really fast, it is definitely not our dream home. We were also hampered by the house out of state that we finally sold in ’89 (double mortgage on 1.5 salary). OTOH what was our dream home in ’88, is not our dream home now. Our dream home plans isn’t exactly our dream home either, but at least the tweaks are minor (I watch way too much HGTV …).

  6. Moves are both exhausting and enervating…. We moved from our house of 35+ years last year. Took the better part of 3 months to ready the place for sale, thin out the accumulated treasures and/or detritus of half-a-lifetime, deal with the hordes of lookie-loos traipsing through, wade through a multitude of offers, etc. It was still a mad rush of packing and movers in the last days! The only positive think I can say for the process is that when we finally pointed the overloaded station wagon South on the morning we closed, neither of us looked back or had a single regret….though many fond memories, to be sure. And, we’re still wanderers looking for a Summer House to which we can repair when Florida becomes unbearable….

    1. Speaking of which . . . . the “Field of Dreams” game last night was pure fun. That’s the way the game is supposed to be. (Complete with guy climbing up and down a ladder to add numbers to the scoreboard.)

      1. I don’t baseball, but the guys on the radio just minutes ago sounded like … well, they sounded like a bunch of kids who were actually really excited to see a baseball game.

        1. It’s like the winter classic in hockey, though they’re going to mess that up by playing it in warm weather cities. Back in 2013 two original six clubs playing outdoors in the snow. The goalie wore a bobble hat and all. Everyone involved had a great time.

          I usually find professional sports ball boring, but like the rugby Barbarian’s, it’s nice to see them go back to their roots.

  7. Ahh, moving the adventure? We selfmoved from MA to CA, 28’ box truck pulling an auto trailer. Blew tire on trailer in SC, got stopped by NM highway patrol – suspicion of using Uhaul commercially – no problem. Wife boggled at 90’ high sand dunes outside of Yuma on Interstate 8.

    After 3 years in climate paradise (Newport Beach), home officed – took one for the team 😉, we returned to Houston. It wasn’t for the weather, because grandkids. Another 28’ UHaul with auto trailer and my wife driving the second car behind. Starting the drive, I failed to wait long enough for the air ride bladders to inflate. Upon making a 90 degree right hand turn the truck tipped so far both my wife (behind me) and I thought it was going over. Luckily, after a couple of oscillations it settled down. Two days later in the evening as we approached Fort Stockton Texas on Interstate 10, suddenly all the lights on the dashboard went out. To make matters worse it was pouring rain. I couldn’t see the ammeter, and thought the alternator or regulator could have failed. I didn’t tell my wife as she was still somewhat on edge from the near tip over. We just stopped at the next Comfort Inn. The next morning I discovered the the entire dashboard was powered from a 22 gauge wire clipped onto the end of the battery cable clamp bolt and the connector had just dropped off. Whew! The rest of the drive was uneventful 👏.

  8. I’m in the final stages of rearranging the office/bedroom, complete with book culling and moving the book cases. I need to get some stuff from the shop/barn (more books, plus storage for office trivia), but the air quality sucks rocks.

    SW Oregon had lightning fires, and they got largeish–after Bootleg and Dixie, if it wasn’t 6 figures in acreage, it almost seemed trivial–until the smoke came over the Cascades to us. (“Very Unhealthy” says the monitor. Shit!)

    Oh well, it’s a good day to do as little as possible. That and pray for snow. Might as well swing for the fences. 🙂

    1. The earliest I’ve ever seen snow was the first Friday in October, and that that was in Utah, about 80 miles south of Salt Lake City, but go for it.

      1. We’ve seen snow in *Oregon, in July and August. Okay, it was in the NE corner in the Wallawa Mtns, Moraine Lake South Sister, Pine Creek Lake east of Baker, on the Old McKenzie (242) Hwy (6″ at Dee Wright Observatory, July 4, 1986) … Note, that area could use snow; 52 fires from lightening strikes burning, now, a lot under the “monitoring” label (translation, in Wilderness, let Burn designation). Where RCPete is, snow could happen now. Won’t stick around long. Still a long shot. But snow could happen.

        We’re getting a lot of smoke too. Between the Middle Fork Willamette and the Jack fires. Can barely see the Coburg Hills, let alone the Cascades, to the east, or the Coast Range hills on the West. Brilliant Orange sun rises and sunsets. Smoke hasn’t mitigated the heat one bit.

        * Saying in Oregon Cascades, Wallawas, and Steens. Name a month it will never snow. Answer. There isn’t one. Be prepared. Now being prepared for snow in January, or even May, is different from getting snow in June through September … BUT it can snow.

        1. I’ve seen snowflakes in the air in August down here. Yeah, it was a really, really strong cold front. Nothing stuck, of course, but it was eye-opening.

          1. Exactly. More likely to see flakes but not stick. But, it CAN stick. Worse, when snow does stick happens, it is generally very, very, wet snow. Or pure ice.

        2. I have heard (but not seen pictures) that it snowed on the 4th of July parade in Klamath Falls. I’ve also heard of winters in the late-40s early -50s where the snowbanks along major roads were running 6′ high. In a city at elevation 4200′. Some decades earlier, a winter railroad was run across Upper Klamath Lake to move logs.

          I’ve had to clear snow off the protective garden plastic in mid-June. I know we’ve had snowfalls in September and October, though it doesn’t usually get interesting until December/January. $TINY_TOWN used to be completely isolated for weeks at a time in the 1950s and some of the “downtown” buildings were connected by snow-tunnels.

          I took a minor risk and left the tire chains home when I went over the Cascades in July. If I repeated in September, chains. November 1st, studded snow tires on the Subarus. Chains go on the tractor around the first major snowfall, or beforehand if it’s likely. Never needed them last winter, and IIRC, I plowed once, mostly to make sure the adjustments were right.

            1. In tiny-town Midwest where I grew up, we had an idiomatic usage–moving fast was “modocking”. I’ve always wondered if it had anything to do with that railroad line.

              1. Oooh, a quest, a quest!

                A quick search selecting against the tribe and county brought up mention in this on azdictionary (wiki dictionary)
                named for the Modoc brothers transportation of the 1920’sthey drove the highways and byways of rural Indiana and Illinois, just as fast as they might manage to get their vehicles to go. Engines screaming horns honking while they roared in by in a cloud of dirt

                Which gives me a last name to look for– Ancestry says there were only three families with that name in 1880’s, all way back east.

                And they use the same spelling as the California area tribe.

                I don’t have an Ancestry sub and I object to paying for publicly accessible records, so off to Family Search (*waves to the Mormon church with great appreciation*) and use their searchable census stuff, Modoc family name in Indiana….

                Yes, the family HAD moved into Indiana by then, and several were born in Kentucky.

                Interesting thing, they’re clearly the same family, but the “race” entries go all over the place– white, black and colored, with most of the listing of ‘colored’ being for marriage records.

                If I’m reading the history right, that’s a giant middle finger to the paperwork… “Oh, the widow I’m marrying is visibly colored? I just discovered I’m one-eight negro, per state law I am too!” Which is a hoot, since it sure LOOKS like amazingly similar names and birth-dates list birthplaces including Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and “Roumania”…..

                So! Actual answer: technically no, but going off of how ornery they were, the Modoc county rail guys would probably take it.

                1. ornery they were

                  The Klamath Tribes consist of the Klamath, Modoc and Yahooskin. I know a few Modocs and the Klamath get in the news a fair amount (they got top billing and seem to grab get the leadership positions), and ornery is still applicable.

                  Considering that the Modoc Indian war in the 1870s (still ongoing in some respects) originated out of a dispute between the Modocs and the Klamath, ornery is an understatement. $TINY_TOWN was largely Modoc, not sure what the tribal composition is now. Some questions are best not asked.

                    1. I knew of some of your connections to Flyover country, but not how many generations. 🙂 The relationship between the Modocs and the Klamath can be fairly interesting, in a “don’t stand in the middle” sense.

          1. We took a pre-trip on part of the PCT trail, north off of Hwy 126 one year, and off Scott Lake, to Mathew Lake back to 242. “Checking trail conditions” (Okay, excuse for scouter adult only outing with alcohol). 2004, legit, needed to check fire damage from 2003 fires. Safe to hike through, chose to be sure out of fire dead trees overnight spot through there. BUT the point is, end of July, we were slogging through snow hip high on trail spots, on the south side, in the open. Three weeks later? Not a bit of snow insight. PCT through these spots, is *higher than where you are, but not a whole lot higher.

            * One of the problems locally for most crews headed to Philmont, from Oregon Council, to prepare for much higher elevation backpacking. There isn’t anything that is going to be snow free at a high enough elevation to prepare for the same elevation at Philmont.

        3. I have heard of a woman who found her grandparents’ wedding license in a Vermont town because she did not know the year but it was the Fourth of July and it snowed.

          Canadians boggle that that was identifiable.

  9. If anybody heard about the Field of Dreams game (White Sox and Yankees) yesterday, according to the WHO-1040 guys, the players had a BLAST in Dyersville. Did the whole “walk in through the corn” and got photos and the crowd was digging it, too.

    1. 25 years ago I went to the field of dreams with one of my sons. I took a picture of him going into the corn. When he died, we used it as poster for his memorial service.

      At the same time I picked an ear of corn from center field. That ear of corn has been to many baseball games. A friend and I were walking into the SF Giants ball park. Someone walking toward us was pointing toward us, we looked behind, but saw no one of importance. It turned out this fan had met the ear of corn a few years earlier, and remembered me. We got the ear of corn out of its carrier, and he was reunited with the corn. I will talk to strangers sitting around us at a game and introduce the ear of corn. When I explain where it is from, fans love it.

      The field of dreams is a wonderful place to visit. The movie is great. Fathers, sons, memories, baseball, faith. God has a weird sense of humor.

  10. A friend of C’s and mine used to say “Pick a weekend and lift everything you own.”

    Here’s wishing you and yours a quick recovery.

  11. Don’t set a schedule if you can avoid it. Schedules attract Murphy.
    Protect yourself, get sleep, hire help to lift and carry if possible.
    Remember that the last 10% of the stuff in the house will take 30%+ of the total time, because it hides, requires decisions, or doesn’t pack well / easily.
    Good luck in your new home.
    If time and funds permit, look at the Mormon Church bulk canned supplies sites near you, and maybe Costco. Betyer to buy it there than move it.
    John Sage

    1. If you are in an area where the general public is allowed, purchasing at restaurant supply stores can be really attractive. (Oregon has no sales tax, regardless of the wishes of TPTB, so it counts.) Grocery stores that cater to large families and/or ranch cooks also can be fruitful. $SPOUSE and I will buy a deli turkey and slice it into dinner portions and freeze it. The 10 pound boxes of frozen fruit seem to have been replaced by 5 pound resealable bags, but that’s a lot cheaper than the 12 ounce supermarket types. We’ll have the odd gallon jug of dried chopped onion.

      A big pantry and a good freezer makes it doable.

      Oh yeah, check prices & quality. No one place is going to be cheapest/best for everything. We grocery shop weekly, and groceries get bought at two supermarkets, the restaurant supply, and the regional mini-club store. (80 mile round trip, so it’s worth it to do it right. The stores tend to be fairly stable as to quality/prices for their products. Usually. See 202[01].)

      1. Re: TPTB and sales tax … they keep trying, they keep failing. However they are making inroad with “fees” see what it takes to buy a new vehicle (two new fees: “Luxury” and “Dealership” fees, or sales tax by another name).

        Remove income tax and I’d vote for it. When we were in Longview a bunch of us where we worked had an analysis done. Oregon Income Tax VS Washington Sales Tax. For most there was not much difference. For us, at that time, Washington Sales Tax was least expensive. Now there would be more of a difference. Of coarse that would be contingent on not taxing food, prescriptions, or purchase of used vehicles.

        1. Try living in the people’s “republic”. High income tax. High sales tax. Bought an essential yesterday,(new sink faucets). $128 for faucets at Lowes, $11.68 sales tax. If you buy something in another state, they demand you to pay a “use” tax.

          The only reason to stay in California is prop 13. It limits the amount of property tax. So a million dollar house; pay only $2000 in property tax, for a long time owner. With reverse mortgage, the house pays you.

          So if you “own” a home in “Cali-Mordor”, you can easily live on $4,000 a month, if over 65. That assumes your house does not burn down in one of the fires, or fall down in one of many coming earthquakes, (as LA travels north to visit SF in a million years).

          We also get floods, landslides, and hot weather inland. Aside from that, the masks, corruption, lies, and evil just make the place interesting.

          1. Washington State requires “Use Tax” to be reported and paid too. We lived in Longview, WA for 5 years (’79 – ’85). When I started working for the last company (2004) that wrote software for Public Works Cost Accounting (plus other areas), I had to ask what “Use Tax” was. Government entities usually don’t pay it, but some of the locations were so remote, that the county was the only mechanic or other service available to locals. Obviously, when we lived in WA, we had never reported anything we bought across the river. Exception, anything that has to be registered (vehicles) use tax was paid.

            WA isn’t anything close to as bad as CA. No income tax for one. But did learn a lesson from BIL when they moved to WA. One vehicle per driver can be transferred use tax free, exceptions RV’s and utility and boat trailers (technically boats too, but they used the boat on Oregon waters so didn’t apply). They had: a car, two trucks, two motorcycles, one boat with trailer, an RV Camper (on one of the trucks), and a utility trailer. The utility trailer was fun to register from the story. Never been licensed before. It had been built by the boys and their dad, by then, over 30 years before, so no receipts either.

            The other story I have from WA and the DMV is our move into the state. We transferred the license on hubby’s college vehicle, a 1958 Plymouth wagon nicked named “the Blue Whale”. We didn’t wait very long to get a newer, new to us, vehicle and parked the older vehicle. Fast forward, one of the neighbors turned us in. Got a letter from the DMV with all kinds of threats about confiscating it. Worse penalty ever, right? I called and asked when were they going to come and pick it up? Please? … They didn’t follow through. Sold it to someone for a parts car just before we moved.

            1. Massachusetts also has a use tax. If you buy it out of stare you are supposed to report it on your MASS Form 1 at income tax time. New Hampshire has No sales Tax and some of its border towns (Nashua, Salem) have HUGE shopping districts. Every once and a while the Pols send MA. State Police into NH to record MA Plate numbers. Usually however they are forced to move along by NH State police 🙂

              1. Portland has the same. It really only pays for large ticket items or bulk buys. Most people do not have the ability to transport large bulk items and have them delivered. Delivery will trigger sales tax from the Oregon side. WA state used to do the same, staking out the malls for WA plates. What they still do is stake out the bridges looking for vehicles headed home from Oregon, or headed into Oregon, for work, sporting Oregon plates. Then determine where they are registered. Looking for WA residents with vehicles registered in OR. Especially RV’s.

                We skated the line from Nov ’03 – Mar ’05. Hubby was transferred from Eugene to Randle WA. We did not move the household, but he moved into WA. He ended up living in our Travel Trailer (how bad was housing options that our small TT was the preferred option?) We bought a smaller 4-door-sedan for him to commute home Friday night, and back Monday morning (for 17 long months excepting vacations and holidays); the fuel savings alone paid the car payment. There is an argument that there was Use Tax owed on the TT, and on the new car. But there is also an argument there wasn’t. Hubby was a WA resident. (What? We were going to pay income tax on his earnings? Yea, right … um, no.) BUT my name was also on both vehicles (and on the loan for the new car). I am a legal OR resident … Oregon Tax issue, we were covered, 100% legal. The vehicle thing? Wags hands. Never got called on it. Didn’t hide it. But didn’t shout it out either. Not like TPTB were monitoring the bridges north at 5 AM (he had to be at the Log Ramp by 6:30 AM), and why monitor those headed south at 7 PM on Friday? We weren’t the only ones either. There were 3 or 4 others living in the same trailer park, same company, all from Oregon, that did the same thing (their commute wasn’t quite as far, but too far to commute daily).

          2. I remember the first year I was there, they also require CRV returns to be taxed to.

            I remember bogling about it to a coworker, and they were surprised If even bother to report it. Up until that point, it hadn’t even occured to me average people would casually lie on their taxes.

          3. In California, the property tax depends on when you bought the house. In the year that you buy the house, you have to pay on the home’s current value. But the amount that it can increase each year is capped. So new home owners don’t save much. But people who have owned their homes for decades are the opposite.

            1. Oregon is the same way. Newly built homes value determines property tax. But from then on, there is a difference between Taxable Value, and Real Value. Plus the actual tax amount is limited on how much it can go up. There are a couple of exceptions on the latter based on the type of tax, but still tied to the taxable value. Existing Taxable Value can be affected by major upgrades, mostly by adding square footage, which is what neighbors did. But another neighbor, who did major upgrade and rearrange of kitchen and dining area didn’t have any Taxable Value impact; didn’t add square footage. Not sure what happens when Taxable Value exceeds Real Value, whether the Taxable Value resets to Real Value (I think it does, but haven’t experienced it, don’t know anyone else who has either), and start process over again from there. Our Real Value is so much higher than Taxable Value, that the 2008 crash didn’t reduce our Real Value to anywhere near our Taxable Value. This applies with a whole home tear down remodel too, as long as one part is reused. Again can’t increase square footage, but can rebuild different configuration with same square footage. That is one area we would be at a disadvantage, or have a fight with the county. Our house is on the books for 1345 Sq ft. But it has 2250 sq ft. We have a permitted add on (we have copies of the permits), by prior owners, that is not reflected the county books. We’ve been told by real estate agents this is not an uncommon problem.

              One big difference between Oregon and California, I think, is that when a home resells in Oregon (not new construction sale), the Taxable Value is transferred to the new owners, it does not reset to what the purchase price is. Our current Taxable Value on our home is $170k after 31 years (set from base 1990). We could sell it now for almost $425k. The new owners Taxable Value would be the $170k, not $425k purchase price. FYI. This is something that TPTB (demorats) are trying to change. But it has to go before the voters (built into the original law). They are trying to bypass that, but so far, haven’t succeeded.

  12. I figured it was move stuff. Take all the time you need to make sure everything goes smoothly. Me and the kitties will be cheering for you!

  13. Best of fortune to you all.

    If I seem a bit scarce myself, folks, that is from my being On Vacation and having vacated primary residence. Where I am now, I seem to have the fortune of dining and drinking (and how) on other’s dimes (as it were).
    The trip is not all sunshine and roses, but such details are not for this comment. They are, fortunately, not biological but merely mechanical in nature – so Don’t Panic.

    1. If there’s a wall or a roof, many states count any construction as *remodeling*, rather than *new construction*, and guess which is hella cheaper….

      1. A restaurant near my father’s restaurant wanted to tear down the old structure and build anew. The next door neighbor apparently could file objections to any new construction- even after approval by zoning. But not so for remodeling. Soooo…. A remodeling permit was filed. The remodel attached itself to an existing upright, then the new building was constructed around, entirely around, the old, then the old demolished from the inside. It was cheaper than continuing to fight court battles.

    2. Looks at the story and the pics. I’ve seen worse. 🙂

      I recall the “one stud” rule in San Jose. If you demolished a house, but left a corner standing, you could get it approved for a “remodel”. Starting from scratch seriously increased the regulatory burden. When we were remodeling-to-leave in ’03, we saw one of these on the way to the Home Depot. I think they left the corner that handled the electrical service, but the rest was nuked. I think a lot of the foundation was removed, barring that corner.

  14. Can’t post this on facebook- where I have more medical friends than just here. Censorship stifling free exchange of information- Ain’t it great?

    Anyway, does what’s discussed on this thread make sense? It seems to connect some dots to me- and my son- but we’re both different types of engineers, not medical types.

        1. [somewhat sarcastic voice $ON] Because it goes against the narrative, peasant! [somewhat sarcastic voice $OFF]

          Calling a genetic therapy a “vaccine” is already a warning sign, and the referenced thread posits one way that the reported adverse effects could have happened. I’m getting rather annoyed at the approach from the “elites” that we are to take their word as Passed Down From High, and any questioning is to be curbstomped with extreme prejudice. (I’ve seen it proposed to pull medical licenses from doctors who “spread misinformation”.) The first reaction from my primary care doctor when I told him I’d been given medical advice against taking the not-vax was “who told you that???”. After the fourth attempt, I was getting annoyed. Haven’t fired the PC doctor, yet.

          Beyond that, to my engineering mind, the post is plausible. I doubt

          Oh, by the way–anybody seen this guy Karl post before? Nothing else in the past week…

          1. Oh, by the way–anybody seen this guy Karl post before? Nothing else in the past week…

            The user name is a villain in the new Resident Evil game.

              1. Well, one of his draftees, unless he got a bot program– been relatively coherent for a bit longer than Clamps can manage without foaming at the mouth, especially when there’s so many foreign-born minority women around with the utter gall to not obey him, much less worship him as his insanity insists is his due.

                He is pretty good at finding folks who are angry and giving them a target for their supposedly clever arguments, remember when he drafted the “crazy things fundies do” message board to go harass Rory? Worked for like a week, until one of them went and actually read the blog, instead of skimming to see that his quotes were there and accepting the context. Got himself banned, eventually.

          1. Generally, facts involve something besides assertion it was posted by bad people.

            Given the context, support would consist of pointing out how it doesn’t make sense from the point of view of the accuracy of the scientific statements, especially since “make sense” is an inexact statement; my cats find vacuuming to make no sense, it doesn’t make them correct.

            1. If I may be honest, that thread was such an incoherent mess that I couldn’t make any sense of it.

              1. While honesty is refreshing, it would have been nice if you had said that in the first place.

                It’s a very different standard of evidence than “this, this and this point are not accurate, or are twisted into a pretzel, and those points don’t follow.”

                1. What would be truly refreshing is if you don’t get your information from the nazi part of 4chan.

                  1. Oh, goodness! Your arguments are so strong that, after it is suggested that you might want to offer some sort of rational evidence, you start screaming Nazi.

                    *pats on head* Aren’t you just adorable.

                    1. No. It’s not. It’s a troll; whiny, stupid and annoying.

                      I used to live on a farm. I know what bullshit smells like.

            1. You people will latch on to any source as long as it conforms to your worldview, won’t you?

                1. Nothing about it makes sense. There is naught to be found but the ravings of madmen.

                  1. So, it must be wrong because you are too stupid to understand it? 95% of the world must look wrong to you.

                    Crawl back under your rock and stop bothering the adults with inane twaddle.

                  2. You’re really obtuse, aren’t you? OK, I’ll spoon-feed it to you.

                    Does this make sense? If not, why not: “The virus functions similar to malaria mechanical function inside the blood. It rips the hemes off of your hemoglobin”

                1. I’m pretty sure none of you have been “contaminated with the DNA of Nephilim or Nepharim” so, yes, probably.

            2. Err, it’s argumentem ad homemin. Appeal to authority would be to say because the UN says it’s false.

              1. (Hand waggle) The implied ad hominem is that 4chan is inherently false–which gets you the “which way to Truthtown” logic puzzle. The implied appeal to authority is that 4chan is false because it is not an authoritative source of information. My sense is that the latter was the logical fallacy Karl intended.

                  1. OK then, what’s the opposite of an appeal to authority? Claiming that something is true because of who said it is an appeal to authority. If claiming that something is false because of who said it is not an appeal to authority, what is it?

  15. Push on, push forward…….then take 30 min. to have some great sex!!! You’ll make it to your goal!

    1. That was Patton’s take….. 😉

      For in war just as in loving, you must always keep on shoving

      Or you’ll never get your just reward.

      For if you are dilatory in the search for lust and glory

      You are up shit creek and that’s the truth, Oh! Lord.


  16. A few days ago, with the aid of some info from Bob, I figured out how to reliably include multiple Youtube videos in a single comment by using their embed codes. I didn’t have time to pursue it myself just then but I suggested that using proper html code might let us break the one-link limit with other things.

    It seems no one else was interested in tinkering with that so now I’m going to try it myself. I’ll be responding to this comment with other comments that contain multiple links, so you needn’t mind my nonsense. If I learn anything useful I’ll write it up separately afterwards.

    1. Right. I just tried multiple links in one comment. The comment appears to have been created, but is now stuck in moderation.

      This might put a crimp on further experimentation. In fact, unless Sarah can designate regulars as being exempt from moderation it might render all of this completely pointless. Fuck you too, WordPress.

    2. Okay, so multiple URL links are apparently a bust. But I did have multiple Youtube videos going before, so let’s experiment with that. Attempting to embed one video with the iframe tag:

    3. Hmm… Got a URL out of that at least. But it gives me an idea. Trying iframe again, but with some additional info included in the tag:

    4. Nope, it’s apparently all or nothing.

      Let’s move on to images. For this I’m going to get lazy and just “borrow” – in the Dragonlance kender sense – some from Fox’s meme posts over on her blog. Starting with a single image using a minimalist img tag:

      1. in the Dragonlance kender sense – some from Fox’s meme posts

        Can’t think of a group better suited for meme-acquisition-and-distribution.

        1. Now that you mention it, you’re right. Kenders stealing memes really needs to be a meme in itself.

    5. Ah, okay. It’s demanding alt-text. Let’s add that in and see if the third time’s the charm:

    6. So, in conclusion: I still don’t know why copy-pasting the embed code from Youtube lets you have multiple videos in a comment and the only other thing I figured out how to do gets slapped down by WordPress’s moderation system. On the plus side, we DID learn that everyone else here is smarter than me for having the sense to not bother trying this crap.

      Thank you very much and GOOD NIGHT.

    7. Okay, there’s ONE more thing it occurs to me to try. Can you share Youtube videos by copy-pasting their embed codes AND still include one plain link on top of that? I’m going to try showing two videos using their embed codes and then a third using a plain URL. For the hell of it, let’s try some obscure stuff from Michael Jackson.

      Here’s what Thriller was originally supposed to be:

      As far as Thriller goes, I like this timeline better.

      Next, here’s the larval version of what eventually became Smooth Criminal:

      Frankly, I don’t know why he didn’t just release that song separately anyway. It sounds different enough from Smooth Criminal and was good enough to be a hit on its own, which says something about the man’s talent when you realize he considered it cutting room floor material.

      And finally, for our naked link, here’s… a tribute song he wrote for Siegfried and Roy for some reason? Look, I never met the guy. Don’t ask me:

    8. …And it actually works. I’ll be damned.

      Okay, let’s try it with the naked URL being something that isn;’t another video. First, the Youtube embeds:

      While preparing for all of this I rounded up some of the website/Twitter feed URLs I routinely check, so I’ll just grab one of those for the untagged link:

      1. Whoops, wasn’t expecting an embed of her feed, just a link to it.

        But still, I think the point has been proven. You can have one link of any kind as per normal AND share any number of Youtube vids on top of that by copy-pasting their embed codes. So that’s some progress, at least. You might be able to share videos from other services if you can get proper embed codes for them, but I’ll leave that for another day.

    9. Just got another one stuck in moderation trying something else. I’ll wait until Sarah sets it free before discussing the rest, but I noticed the image I tried to use with a plain text link only resulted in a link rather than the actual image. Let’s try that again by itself:

      1. Okay, it worked THAT time so there’s obviously nothing wrong with the link itself. So why wouldn’t img tags work with the image at all before?

          1. That’s odd on multiple levels, then, because I’m not even getting email versions of my own moderated comments.

            1. Word Press doesn’t send you emails of posts that you’ve made.

              IE I don’t get emails of posts that I’ve made.

              1. I do, but I have the emails sent to a different address than the one I post under for convenience. I actually get my own posts sent to me immediately even if they take a few minutes to show up here. The only times I don’t get sent copies of my own comments are when one is put into moderation or when the comment gets completely evaporated because I tried to link the blog of you-know-who.

                Although it looks like that blog got evaporated itself a couple of days ago, so I guess that’s no longer an issue. I wonder if the hosting service that did it realizes this will probably only draw more attention to him in the end.

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