The Paths Ahead – Cry Havoc

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Before I begin, I want to make clear you guys understand I consider this one and the next one the most unlikely scenarios.  Even more so than pie in the sky.  And that this one is almost impossible to write, because the possibilities for “where do we go next” are endless.  This one is not impossible, though.

I also want to point out, as always, that what we see is a combination of all of them, and varying WIDELY among states.

This one took me a long time to think through, so another thing I want to make clear is that once the rocket goes up for the boogaloo, EVERYTHING is on the table.  Everything?  Everything. From a complete break up of the US (though that will take time, because right now the population is too mixed) to a Napoleon figure who buys us a temporary respite and might actually form an “American Empire” depending on internal pressures at the time, and how bad the rest of the world is, to well… the other side of winning. Which is the last scenario, only in that one there’s no boog.

And whatever the result is, even if order is ever restored, you’re probably going to lose everyone who is now 55 and older in the next five years.  Both because we’re not really good to go running around the mountains with various weapons, and because we’re more susceptible to viruses and illnesses that always accompany war. (Always? Always. They’re a symptom of disruption and bad nutrition.)  BUT mostly because our life expectancy as humans hasn’t changed that much without more or less constant intervention. Remember Shakespeare was “very old” at a year older than I?  Yeah.  Without the thyroid meds, I’d — if still alive — now be unable to keep a coherent thought for more than two minutes. Frankly, I was already there, I just could force it, but it took a lot of effort.  A LOT.  And at any rate, I’d probably have died of a heart attack by now.

A lot of us have this sort of thing. It’s honestly not a big deal. It’s not a life-or-death thing if you can get one tiny, little, cheap pill a couple of times a day.  However, failing that, your life expectancy is markedly shorter. That will leave what comes after in the hands of people under that age.  Most of whom have no clue what the US or the Constitution mean, by design of the lefties.  Remember that.

So, with that — the third best option….

It was around June the rocket went up.  No one was quite sure what caused it, because it didn’t happen in JUST one place, but seemed to happen everywhere in the space of a week.

About half of the nation was open for business then, but there were lags, one of them being getting hospitals open again.  (Operating on a tight margin, a lot of them were unable to come back from the lock down anyway) another one being getting food to the stores regularly.  The glut of beef caused by the slaughtering of dairy herds that farmers had trouble feeding, led to a lack of milk, which in turn, started turning into a lack of meat, as the glut ran out.

Worse was the fact that the lock downs were increasingly crazy and inconsistent.  And that some states opened up, then closed down tight after ten new cases hit the hospital.

Someday when there is enough leisure and money somewhere to study the matter, someone will discover the true, first trigger to armed insurrection.

Was it when New Jersey, for the upteenth time blocked a protest and started arresting protestors?  Was it people protesting the closure of their local hospital being shot on by state guard in another state?  Was it the food riots in Chicago? Or the subway riots in New York City?

Figuring it out is more complicated because the media never reported these until it was everywhere at once.  People woke up one morning to find out the nearest large-ish city was burning, there were shots nearby, and large, angry mobs in the street, and your nearest highway was bound to be blocked.

They did the sane thing and hunkered down, this time for cause, turned on the TV — mostly showing governors assuring people everything was all right — and waited for things to calm down.

They didn’t.

As chaos deepened, everything descended to rumor and confusion.  As those who had seen these situations before warned, you’re never aware of how messy things will get, until you find yourself in the middle of it.  You can’t tell what a mob is, even if you happen to be on their side, and they’re likely to go for you or not…. on a minute’s decision.  All the crunchy cons, who dress like hippies, are as likely to get hit by a conservative armed group as are hard lefties who dress like hippies. It’s all on the look.

We are in the tenth year of the rebellion.  You’d think it would have burned out by now, but there is just enough coherence and order to keep food on the table — sort of — most places.

Yes, the US army has engaged, but no one is even sure on what side.  The answer is probably “on all”.  We believe they are trying, most of all, to restore peace, except there is very little left.  And a conventional army always has trouble with guerilla warfare.

Ordinary Americans still live, through this.  Those who can work from home, if home is in a safe place and they can find a market for their work.  And you remember how you hit the net during a snow storm, to find out what streets were safe to drive on? Same thing. Only it’s with gunfire and explosions as the risk.  Informal networks, both of neighborhood and on line also communicate when food is available and where.  You might even be able to find your local doctor, who is often operating way outside his specialty and with no materials but is better than nothing.

The possibility of driving to the grocery store and finding yourself in the middle of a pitched battle is always there.

Some small towns are fine, operating normally — as normally as it’s possible under this — but they are very careful whom they let in.  You have to be known or known to someone.  Big cities, not one is quite sure.  People still seem to be living among the burned out hulls of high rises, and there is even some sort of work going on.

There are reports of insane dictatorships in some states, and some parts of big cities, but no one knows for sure. It might be fiction.

“Journalists” and big media were the first casualties, either killed or simply ignored until they disappeared.  We won’t say they didn’t deserve it.

There are rumors of a force marching on Washington DC to capture it and make some sort of order. Some people say it is the US military itself. Other people… well, reports vary.

Orders are given periodically purporting to come from the government, but since everything comes through informal networks, it’s impossible to be sure.  We thought they had a network just for this?

This can’t go on forever.  Right now, what’s happening is people leaving places they feel are hostile to join either family or their ideological brethren.  That too is an order of sorts. The population is choosing territory.

But ideologies are confusing.  Apparently younger people never learned much of what the republic was founded on.  The one thing we fear is that this is lost forever.

Those of us who were science fiction fans when this started keep saying that at this point Starship Troopers is a best case scenario.

And it could be worse.

 

 

 

 

329 thoughts on “The Paths Ahead – Cry Havoc

  1. Maybe I’m uncharacteristically pessimistic today (lack of sleep combined with a Fecalbook “friend” finally pushing my buttons one too many times and then getting pissy when I clicked “unfriend”), but I can definitely see this happening. And I absolutely do not expect to live to see the end of the first month, let alone the first year.

    1. Possible? Yeah.

      But at the moment really not likely.

      Fortunately.

      Or at least that’s the sense I get.

      That is, barring something really stupid like a blatant power grab at the Federal level.

      1. Zerohedge has the current list of plans from the state governors (except AZ, why is DC counted as a “state”, and why is the nation-state of Cali still here?). Aside from the left coast & New England, most states are leaning towards some time next week.

        https: // www. zerohedge. com/ geopolitical/ heres-where-all-50-states-stand-reopening-their-economies

        1. I really am ready to take Newsom up on that nation state declaration.

          It’s the Dems who can’t afford it. Losing California would mean no Dem president for decades. Probably no Dem House either.

                1. It’s the State of Jefferson. Oregon’s contribution is east of the Cascades and Roseburg south, and Cali contributes Napa up and east.

                  1. I’ve heard the flyover portion of Washington is interested, too. (An alternative idea floating around here is splitting from Oregon and joining Idaho. “I have a bad feeling about this.” — would we trade domination by Portlandia with domination by Greater Boise?)

            1. I’d love to split California in two – perhaps at the San Andreas Fault. Everything west goes into the Pacific, the rest goes to America.

              1. I read a short story by Isaac Asimov (I think) about a scientist who predicted when California would fall into the ocean.

                Everybody he talked to about this prediction said “That can’t be correct” but started to leave California.

                At the date/time of his prediction, he was still on the “wrong” side of the fault line but was thinking about going to the other side.

                Then the earthquake hit.

                After everything stopped shaking, the scientist looked eastward to see nothing but ocean and said “I guess I was wrong”. 😉

                1. (Captain Pedantic swoops in.)

                  Sorry citizen, that was Ben Bova.

                  (CP disappears in a whoosh of air.)

                    1. Ba-dum-Ching! That’s right, Suburbanshee will be here all week at the dinner show, folks, and don’t forget to tip your waiter!

              2. I will note that though it’s on dry land the San Andreas Fault runs west of Silicon Valley and the SF Bay Area, and then heads off north-northwestish away under the Pacific, so if you’re trying to immerse Zuckerbook and Tweeetster HQs that slice misses.

                1. exactly. the fautl isnt a good border to use, because West California needs to include SF, Sacramento, and Marin/Berkeley

              3. If California gets split in two, can we make sure Gavin Noisome is one of the things that gets split right down the middle?

                Suffering Buddha, what a jackass!

              4. The only problem is that the San Andreas heads into the pacific just south of SF. So you would leave San Francisco, Berkeley, and Marin county in America. Geography is your friend.

                1. Well, perhaps we could pray for Saint Andreas to bring in his buddies with the Calavaras and Hayward faults. That would take out most of the Bay Area. I *think* the San Andreas would take care of LA. Not sure where it ends in the south.

                  1. Since 1906 reset the ratchet in the bay area, we have been in a quiet period. As the ratchet tightens, subsidiary faults like the Calaveras and other faults will start shaking with more regularity. The Calaveras, until 1989 showed a pattern of earthquakes moving north from Hollister to San Jose. The “World Series” earthquake seems to have stalled such movement. What is scary is that North of San Jose there are no earthquakes at all on the Calaveras, meaning it is totally locked. So when it ruptures, which it will, you could get a very large earthquake.

                    Why this is important: North of San Jose the Calaveras crosses 680, and runs just west of the freeway. So a major earthquake that hit from San Jose north to Danville, or Walnut Creek, could crash every overpass along 680 blocking access from the east to San Jose, Oakland and SF. Caltrans keeps upgrading overpasses, I think the fault wins.

                    Regarding LA and San Andreas: While The San Andreas is the main rupture, it is on the other side of the mountains north and east of LA. It comes out of the mountains at San Berdo and Riverside. The main threat to LA is a possible earthquake along the base of the San Gabriels. A magnitude 7 quake along that range would do a lot of damage. The mountains are there because you have two plates crashing into each other there. This what has raised the mountains, and why they are so steep. They are being shoved up faster than erosion can pull them down. The San Andreas in the south ruptured in 1853, so stress has built for 53 years longer.

                    1. i also remember something about the soil in the san gabriel valley being squishy and hazardous in a heavy quake, but dont precisely remember because i dont live there anymore.

                    2. Pretty much the entire Willamette Valley, should an earth quake hit NW Oregon … Liquidation Zone.

                    3. It’s alluvial plain, which tends to fall apart when shook, and the mountains on either side tend to bounce the shockwaves back and forth across it between them. Bad for foundation support.

          1. Me too. I want to say that while I don’t want the US dropped apart, but drop kicking CA until they learn to be Americans again? I’m cool with that. And when they apply for readmission, we’ll set standards.

            1. I’m thinking what the US did to Imperial Japan would work.

              Gotta find as big an incompetent SOB as MacArthur though – not sure Patton would have done that job.

            2. The federal government should offer to bail out state pensions, with the provision that the states that take the bailout become territories managed by DC for a period of no less than 20 years and that anyone who is a resident of the state at the time it reverts cannot vote in another state until they pass a citizenship test.

              1. NO. Just, NO. I can’t even begin to enumerate the ways that is a BAAAAAAD idea. Maybe, if we had a functional (and much smaller) federal government, instead of the dysfunctional mess we’ve got, but, NO!!

                Those government pensions need to be taken apart, not bailed out. Politicians and bureaucrats should NOT retire in guaranteed luxury taken from those of us who have to pay for it. They can save for their own damn retirement like everybody else.

                Government at every level needs to get out of the pension business!
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                Governments can only print money; they can’t make it worth anything. They can make it worth nothing.

                1. Congress would be a lot less dysfunctional without the California, New York, and Chicago delegations.

                  And I never said that the bailout would be complete. Giving every employee what they paid in, private-sector standard matching, and average growth over the period of employment, minus any withdrawals, as a check with instructions to open an IRA would be fine. The hundreds of billions that would cost would be less inflationary than $1 trillion+ deficits as far as the eye can see. Those deficits aren’t going anywhere as long as LA and NYC have votes.

                  1. Giving every employee what they paid in, private-sector standard matching, and average growth over the period of employment, minus any withdrawals, as a check with instructions to open an IRA would be fine.


                    That is the path that a lot of private sectors are doing. They aren’t raiding the pension plans. They are dissolving them. The employee is made to open a 401(k)/IRA, if they don’t have one already. The money contributed to the pension plan for that employee is transferred to the account. Once that is done. The pension plan was dissolved. Employees closer to retirement, or vested but no longer working for company, have a couple of other options. I fell under the latter. (Least anyone think I’m rolling in the dough because of this. It works out to $1438/year … no I did not type that wrong.)

                    1. I have so much fun putting that on loan applications. Or even in the IRS Form. I get to say. “Nope. That is what the 1099 form says. See.”

                    2. I’d much rather have my retirement money under my control than rely on a company being around decades from now.

                      On the other hand, I did pay to have my military time count for my pension. But since it’s the federal government it will probably be OK, our gracious hostess’ prognostications notwithstanding. If it isn’t I don’t think money will be my biggest worry.

                    3. After I retired from HP/Agilent, I had both a 401K and a pension from Agilent. The first part was rolling the pension into the 401K. A short time later, the 401K was transferred to IRA money. Fidelity Investments was *not* happy seeing that money go away. (They were angry when $SPOUSE removed an extra few hundred dollars that had been deposited by her former employer to her (already emptied) Fidelity account. Those SOBs were nasty!)

                      No, we have nothing to do with Fidelity now. Nor stocks.

                    4. Fidelity. Hubby’s 401(k) was Fidelity. He rolled it over into an IRA with them, then took 1/2 of it & rolled into the existing IRA. No problems. He had been on the pension/401(k) board, union side. He didn’t want to loose access to their research tools.

                      Don’t remember who my last employer had our 401(k), actually a Simple IRA, with. It wasn’t Fidelity, that I do know. Rolling my account out into my existing, not with them, IRA, was a huge PIA. Got the run around. Hadn’t done this or that correctly. Then they couldn’t transfer the funds. Etc., Etc. Went down. Talked directly to the over sight. It got done. We made clear: 1) Didn’t care about their funds, transfer the dang money. 2) Someone who knew how things worked was watching for the money, had full legal authority to do so. 3) Wasn’t my first rodeo transferring 401(k) money into an existing IRA. New darn well it’s been authorized & triggered properly. First two times it was easy. Third time, I swear Scrooge McDuck was in charge. That it was a good 1/3 of the small business in question’s 401(k) money wasn’t my fault. Most other employees, for various reasons, only contributed the minimum 3% + matching 3%, not even coming close to the $10k/year maximum they could, if they contributed anything; plus it was a small firm. Me? Max from the year I qualified.

                    5. That path was taken LONG ago in many cases. DEC/Digital forced most of its employees onto 401/k (basically if you had a hire date after 1981 you moved, if not you could choose) in about 1988. There was ~85K in my account at that point and my hire date was in ’83 so it rolled into a 401k. Started putting money in as they gave a generous match initially. That got merged with a 6 year 401K plan at Raytheon If I’d made 10 years at Raytheon I would have had a (small pension) in addition but that went away with folks hired after 2007. Until Coronavirus I was doing pretty well. Still not too bad, just will have to work a couple more years and hope the good path happens. If the bad paths happen I have bigger issues than employment, just surviving in that kind of environment is a challenge with my various health issues.

                    6. Yeah, Fidelity was doing its worst at the run around, and then wanted to pay out in stock, rather than the cash we asked for. Fortunately, the lady running the IRA section at the big credit union was wise to their ways, and would not let them pull any fast ones.

                      The backtalk when we see a Fidelity commercial is brutal.

          2. I think it would be more fun to invade, split off the red counties ala West Virgina, and reconstruct.

            1. Do the widespread assertions of Sanctuary Cities in defiance of Federal law constitute a conspiracy to reject the lawful authority of the Federal government and a denial of the rights of American citizens?

              I’ve no doubt that a comparable stance by a Republican state in opposition to a Democrat controlled Federal government would be treated as an act of repudiation and casus belli for sending in the military (providing they thought they could succeed; to paraphrase Casablanca, “Well there are certain sections of Texas that I wouldn’t advise you to try to invade.”)

                1. Were Trump to seize and shut down the MSM in the name of operational security, how much of California do you think he could capture before the country realized it wasn’t just the Left crying “Wolf!”?

                  1. Not sure about that aspect, but he could get it all before the rest of the country could be motivated to care about West California’s fate.

              1. Just after 9/11 there was talk of kidnapping Bin Laden and dropping him off in the Brush Country of Texas. If the locals didn’t get him, the plants and wildlife would take care of the problem.

        2. Wolf is keeping us closed through the 30th at the earliest.

          All I can say is that if the rumblings coming out of his now-seemingly-former stronghold of Philadelphia are anything to go by, he’d darn well better stand by that if he intends to make it to the end of his term.

          1. I heard some of the PA state legislators were showing up at some of the protests.

            1. That’s encouraging since the only ones I’ve heard who showed up were illiterate Trump supporters who want grandmothers and babies to die so Wall Street can get even richer.

        3. Link as given is rather obsfucated. Note: WordPress gives you one free link with a post, two or more valid links gets the post moderated. The quick-n-easy way around it is to muck with the site name [foobar dot com instead of the usual construction].

          Kate deciding Oregon can be free when *she* chooses is maddening.

          1. I think that once other states start opening up without ill effect it will provide grounds for a lawsuit challenging the state-wide lockdowns as infringement of civil rights.

            1. Yeah, Oahu just extended their lockdowntight through the end of May. Sorry about that tourist economy – I’m sure Federal aid will totes make it up for citizens in the place that’s always in the top X most expensive places to live.

              1. Trump might be able to use that as leverage to get rid of, or at least amend, the Jones Act.

              2. Check out this KHON newscast segment – pretty darn amazing for a tourist economy location:

      2. Depending on how things go, this might be a very likely scenario for other places in the world – especially those that don’t have strong militaries – which get attacked and conquered by China, Russia, or other hostile states. The Left outside of the US has been very, very successful in ensuring that many other countries have been disarmed, softening them up for Communism mostly, but also leaving them very vulnerable to more militaristic nations (China again, for the Philippines, maybe Taiwan? for example.)

      1. I might not have the opportunity to have an honor guard with me, but if it gets sporty, I’d be prepared for it. OTOH, a couple of the meds I’m on are the ones keeping me alive, so if they go, I go.

      2. Lord, make me fast and accurate. Let my aim be true and my hand faster than those who would seek to destroy me. Grant me victory over my foes and those that wish to do harm to me and mine. Let not my last thought be “If only I had my gun” and Lord if today is truly the day that You call me home, let me die in a pile of brass.

        RLTW.

  2. Now that is a future that would probably take out my whole family. I’m hypothyroid, several family members are diabetic, several have epilepsy, several are on the autism spectrum (and in this sort of chaos, the high-functioning will in some ways be in greater danger, because we read as “off” to allistics, and therefore as a threat, while there may well not be sufficient surplus to sustain low-functioning autists when the people who can function in society are barely getting enough), and the one who doesn’t have major issues is living in an area that could get messy.

    Let’s hope we can avert the awful futures. I’m hoping to live my next life in some form of the Grissom timeline, but I’ve got things I’d like to finish here in the Armstrong timeline first (like several filing cabinets’ worth of fiction, for starters).

    1. Does the former First Wookie do gracious? I’ve never seen it. We’ve also never seen how she’d respond to getting trolled by the Trumperor.

      -Albert

      1. Ok, can anybody explain the common criticism I see on non-left sites of Madam Obama’s looks? Seriously. She looks ok. Certainly better than average for a First Lady. Her politics are far-Left deranged, she has little or no sense, and I loathe her. But she ISN’T ugly.

        I don’t get it.

        1. I think she’s rather ordinary looking. She’s certainly not ugly. I think the problem is that we have been told incessantly for the last 11 years that she is the most beautiful woman who ever lived Much as we’ve been told that her husband, who is not stupid, is the smartest person who ever lived.

          They’re are two quite ordinary people who’ve played along with being blown up way beyond reality. Perhaps they even believe it. For that, they deserve the mockery.

            1. They seemed to think she was Helen of Troy with the fashion sense of Coco Chanel and personality to match. I don’t know about VP. Biden does want to win, but I also think he’s perhaps a bit bitter about the president he was loyal to for 8 years snubbing him. Although he may be so gone he doesn’t remember. I give him a SLIGHTLY longer life expectancy if she is the VP choice rather the Shrillary or some Clintonista. Months instead of days/milliseconds after inauguration.

              1. “They seemed to think” they could convince us that “she was Helen of Troy with the fashion sense of Coco Chanel and personality to match …”

                FIFY.

                Always assume they hold us in contempt until they prove otherwise. I think they (subconsciously) detest themselves and detest us more for attending to their “news.”

                The fact that many of us attend their “news” the same mood (and for much the same purpose as) with which we attend the circus enrages them, of course.

                1. After the last three months, you don’t have to assume contempt any more…

                  I’m starting to have a lot of sympathy for places like the former Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia…

        2. I can’t explain it. I only know my first reaction on seeing the Obamas together – and seeing his smirk, once you have seen the manipulative smirk you cannot unsee it – was, “Ah, that’s why he married her. He wanted someone not as pretty as he was.”

          1. It’s that at one point her hairstyle was a startlingly-close match for the top of Chewie’s head. Alongside the reaction to the media trying to tell us how dazzlingly gorgeous that particular Plain Jane was, and anyone willing to trust their lying eyes being able to see the bullshit for what it was.

            Same as speculating that she’s a bio-male, although that has the added bonus of potentially vapor-locking anyone who exalts trans-women above ‘TERF’s.

            -Albert

        3. Her inherent looks aren’t bad.

          She was woefully abused as far as whoever was supposed to help her get clothes that make HER look good deciding they had better things to do, for years.

          Look. I adore the look of those sleek, long, twirly skirts– think like this:

          I’m built like a busty hobbit at best; they do not work on me.
          The one time my sister took me out looking for dresses, she had to admit that all of the really pretty dresses simply did not work on me. I didn’t make them look good, they returned the favor.

          Mrs. Obama has the same issue, but there are SUPPOSED to be people who help her with that.

          Instead she ended up in some incredibly hideous get-ups.

          1. Example, this:

            Legs are almost never something you want to call attention to.
            This does that, in an incredibly unflattering way.

            I don’t do fashion stuff, but there’s also something off about the shoulders, and I think the rule for that kind of a waist is that it’s only if you’ve got a really tiny waist.

            1. Heh, obviously I hadn’t gone looking for examples of odd outfits. That looks costume level bad, like I went to a thrift store, found a badly fitting dress for a costume party, safety pinned the front, and added glitter tights.

              1. I would guess it’s a favorite color, there’s a lot of yellow dresses. Likes frilly or ruffly, and patterns, too.

                From some angles, the dress above looks like the Statue of Liberty, no idea if that’s what she was going for.

                Now contrast with this one, which is much simpler, kind of classic:

                1. I hate to say it, but she and I have basically the same body shape. I also LOVE yellow. You know what doesn’t look good on me? yellow.
                  And you know what looks good on me? Well, for son’s wedding I found a dress that I didn’t look TOTALLY awful in and that was more party-like. But mostly, as those who saw me at LC know, I look good in classic business-like cuts. Stuff like that above.
                  I have ONE decently fitting, looks great on me set. I’m going to copy it and remake a bunch of other stuff to look like it. It’s that type of cut.

            2. I think that was a lot of the problem. Her body language and often unhappy expressions did not translate what I think they were supposed to mean, and her fashion choices were often very ill advised. She has the height to carry off simple, classic looks very, very well. Some of her plainer dresses and suits looked wonderful – classy, dignified, flattering. But that’s not what she personally seems to favor. It might be that she’s one of those people who come across very, very differently in real life than on camera.

              1. It might be that she’s one of those people who come across very, very differently in real life than on camera.

                That is quite common. I am aware that in real life often come across as aloof and disinterested but that is only because I don’t [care].

          2. For contrast, take Banshee’s old post on times the gal looked good, and check out the blue dress one; she looks nice.

          3. They weren’t all bad, or that’s my lack of fashion feeling showing…

            I thought she looked fine, like most women with a large clothing budget and a personal trainer and dressers available… now, she definitely wore brighter colors and bigger patterns than I would personally wear. That’s different than saying ugly.

            1. It wasn’t 100%– like I said, that blue dress worked really well– but the thing is that stuff like the yellow dress was reported on as stunning and gorgeous and as if she was, well, as flattered by the clothes as Mrs. Trump is.

              Get that long enough, and you eventually have a little flag in your head that waves that the gal herself is ugly, especially when these supposedly wonderful outfits tend to make her look bad in specific ways. The shoulders, for example– she seems to like those kinda tennis dress looking arms, which I can totally understand (I’ve broken dress sleeves by flexing, I bet she has as well, and I wasn’t even doing anything impressive!) but it makes her look huge, especially next to her husband.

              1. Ah, found part of the problem, most likely– she’s only two inches shorter than he is, and most fashionable heels add at least two inches to your height.

                Add in hair and a tendency to actually move her arms expressively, and the Mrs. is going to look a LOT bigger than her husband.

                If he could be bothered to wear, say, fashion boots– that can be worked around, but…..

                1. So when a women picks an outfit, she should be aware of her backstop and keep her finger off the trigger…

                  1. Well, awareness of her backside *is* a question to be considered. Hence the unanswerable “Does this dress make my butt look fat?” Being of a different species, I don’t want to try to imagine what fingers have to do with dress safety.

                    1. Snug-in-the-hips dresses and large patterns on leggings (when worn with a short top) are never, ever flattering. Start with that assumption, and you are generally safe.

                      One reason I wear full skirts is that I am aware of my following, so to speak. I also need to be able to stride briskly when a commotion starts.

                    2. If you are very very skinny and hipless, buttless, and boobless, you might indeed want to wear styles that add weight to various areas. Everybody else, probably not. (Unless we go to “prosperously chunky women look really good in poor societies” standards.)

                      This is one of the sad things about life after college. For almost every woman, the wardrobe must change drastically as the maternal-friendly end of puberty shows up. Although voice maturation is nice.

          4. M’Shelle is an OK- looking woman, for her age and degree of fitness. But she isn’t beautiful – at her best, she is handsome, and could be elegant, if she had better fashion advisers. And it’s appalling that whoever was advising/dressing her let her go out on all those public occasions when she was the First Lady looking .,.. ugh… like that. It was as if she picked the most expensive gown/outfit in the place and said, “I want that!” – even if it made her look like *ss. Or didn’t even bother – just picked some old thing from the back of the closet, and went out in it’ wrinkled, badly-fitting.
            And it wouldn’t have mattered much (look, Bess Truman was hardly the form of fashion with the body of a goddess) except that all the fashion mags kept insisting that M’Shelle was the most gorgeous, tasteful and elegant First Lady since Jackie K! They kept insisting this, over and over, and over again … while we kept looking at this schlumpy, big-butted, woman in badly-fitted wrinkly clothes and thinking … Umm – no.

            1. The Black Widow dress.

              Not as in, “African American whose husband has passed on,” but that black dress with a giant freaking BRIGHT RED HOUR GLASS on it.

              *boggles*

          5. There is clearly something wrong about Democrat couturier. Lady Obama’s outfits were, as noted, not simply wrong for her but in many instances wrong for anybody. Hillary suffered similarly — pantsuits are not necessarily bad, but hers were egregiously bad and (again) not just bad for her. The Mao jackets she wore were absolutely wrong for any female American politician.

            It is as if, when they reach a certain level, nobody is willing to say to them, “No, Dearie, you need to look at something else.” I stand second to very few in my distaste for Malignancy but will acknowledge she is generally dressed very well. Even Mad Maxine, who probably spends her spare time making prunes by glaring at them, is usually dressed tolerably well. But man, once a Leftish woman lives in the White House her wardrobe gains a portal into the nether realms.

            1. Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, and three times….

              Yeah, somebody really hates those women. It goes beyond “frump” or “mistaken,” and well into the range of “somebody has installed a funhouse mirror.”

              1. I remember Hillary at one of the inaugural’s being made up to look exactly like Sharon Stone from Basic Instinct. it was uncanny and prescient.

            2. I think part of it is that someone like Melanija Knavs (aka Melania Trump) was trained from an early age to market herself. Same with Jacqueline Bouvier (aka Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis), although for different “markets.” The packaging is not the product – but it makes a difference.

              1. The very title once given to young women of a certain caste — “debutante — indicates that of which you speak. As any man who has offered a woman an engagement ring in exchange for risking her future on him should know, presentation matters.

          6. I can’t put complete blame on Mrs. O for the clothes. I’ve seen worse than Michelle’s clothes on models at fashion shows. But most of those shows, I’m wondering if it’s all some elaborate joke I’m not in on, or people just accept whatever the designers present without engaging their frontal lobes…

            No matter how bizarre and ugly her clothes were, some sizeable percentage of people seeing her would only see the brand name and price of what she was wearing, not what it actually looked like.

            Some of the shows have male models, wearing what appear to be the same clothes as the female ones. Where such clothes might be worn, other than some tacky reality-TV show or a gay pride parade, is a complete mystery to me.

            1. To a certain extent fashion shows are jokes. Think of them like concept cars — that whizzy feature might show up in a year on a production vehicle, but in a toned-down, economical-to-produce version. Haute couture is much the same way. You’ll only see the full version at things like the Met Gala or the Oscars, but you’ll see hints of it in the designer’s ready-to-wear line.

            2. Fashion shows are a competition for attention. Whether that attention is favorable or otherwise is often best explained through the tale of the Emperor’s wardrobe. Whether or not a man would find a woman’s outfit becoming is secondary, as women (who engage in such fashionable games) do not dress to attract men, they dress to attract the admiration of other women.

              The underlying theme is long since acknowledged.

        4. First thing that comes to my mind is the salt monster from Season 1 of Star Trek. Going on a dozen years now, I still get that *every time*.

          Not really fair to the salt monster, though. She wasn’t evil, she was just trying to survive. Michelle, on the other hand…

        5. I’ve never got that either. Yeah, sure the features do have some elements that maybe evoke Chewbacca.

          Barack is so vile that it is tempting to criticize anyone who would collaborate with him, and the only real starting grounds to criticize was that her hospital executive work was probably in line with a technocratic philosophy. The lunch thing was a later matter.

          So if you are grasping for excuses, that may well be the one readiest to hand. I’d figured some of it was Karens being bitchy.

          That said, I’ve got no idea what a lot of people look like, and don’t really care about the political figures.

          Anyway, the rumors that Michelle is transexual apparently can be traced back to the Chicago Black community. If it were true, possibly some of it is having just good enough TRANDAR to pick up on something, and not enough to make a precise identification.

        6. It’s not the looks per se, it’s the Resting Bitch Face. I saw her high school senior portrait somewhere years ago, and brrrrr the “mean” has been baked in for decades…

          1. Were you as blessed with talent and ability and opportunities as she has been — and as filled with the lies about America’s racism denying the rewards you’re entitled to — you’d have “resting bitch face” too.

            1. You know, somehow I survived my industry denying the abilities and shutting off opportunity to anyone to the right of Lenin (at least by the time I got in) and still manage to smile.

    2. M.O. is qualified to be (Vice) President…why? Lived in the White House for 8 years?

      So did the Secret Service officers. I’d bet any of them would make a better President. I’d bet any of the White House MAIDS would make a better President.

      Are the Democrats really that desperate? Or just that stupid? Do they really believe there are enough ‘Anybody but Trump’ voters to make that happen? Or that they can fake enough?
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      Artie: “Don’t open that!! It’s the original can of worms!”

      1. Remember, you’re talking about the party of Pelosi, Feinstein, Clintons #1 and #2, Gore, Ocraziomumble, Wasserman, Obama #1, Sanders, Biden, Reid, Warren, Buttgeig, Castro, Yang, Booker, Harris,… You think they’d balk at the Salt Monster?

      2. She’s at least as qualified as her idiot husband. But so are most mollusks.

        What I’d really like to know is, why the hell would anyone who saw what a term or two in the White House does to a person want to go BACK.

        *shrug*

        1. Power, the most addictive drug in the multiverse…

          That’s something I noticed about books some years ago. “Guy” stories have goals – kill the dragon, find the mcguffin, whatever. “Women” stories may have a superficial gloss of goals, but they’re really about *power* in the sense of making others bend to their will.

          1. Part of that, IMHO, is the innate difference in what we have to do to reproduce. A guy goes off and Does Something Daring, he gets the girl, he’s done. A woman has to bear and raise the offspring, and for that she needs the help of the community, and for that you’d darn well better not be the lowest-status person around, or things get ugly….

          2. If it you’re good at it, it just comes across as organization. (And everybody else thinks they just are doing what they themselves want.) But of course, if you’re good at it, you do figure out what would be a win-win.

            1. If you’re good at it, it is what they want– like those fairy tales where Joe needs a loaf of bread, and he goes and finds a long string of favors he can do so it ends up with all those folks happy, when before everybody was wanting a thing but nothing was getting done because there wasn’t anybody doing the leg-work to organize it.

              1. That was basically the plot of the “Let’s Steal Congress” episode of Leverage.

                1. It’s what Office Mom (for the Good example) and Benevolent Dictator (for the Evil example) both tap into, in the human mind– I was going to say I can’t imagine why they haven’t used it in shows more, but then it’s hard to get set up and make it believable in a weekly TV show type format.

                  1. it’s hard to get set up and make it believable in a weekly TV show type format.

                    When it is done it is usually terrific, if only because the mind capable of realizing that is capable of so much insight into human behaviour. Yes, Minister made good use of the Benevolent Dictator of Sir Humphrey, for example, and Dead Like Me‘s Delores Herbig found great depths of humour in the function.

                    One might even argue that a large part of the success of the MASH TV series was the legitimization such behaviour by Hot Lips, Maj. Burns and other Regular Army a-holes gave the moronic antics of The Swamp’s crew.

                2. Just a brief note: the people responsible for Leverage have a new show starring Christian Kane: Almost Paradise.

                  It is running on WGN Monday evenings at 10 (9 Central) and, based on the first two episodes (which seem to be the pilot) is … not bad. The writing is a little loose and I’ve not decided if it is sloppiness or a conscious stylistic choice. Based on the sample I would guess whether you would like it hangs on how much you are inclined to like Kane. It has some charm – a little like the early Selleck Magnums and may develop into something quite enjoyable, especially if they can resist the urge to toss him into the sack with every semi-available female.

                  From WGN site:
                  SERIES DESCRIPTION Alex Walker, a former US DEA agent who was forced into early retirement. Once the DEA’s most resourceful undercover operative, the combination of his partner’s betrayal and a life-threatening battle with hypertension has sent him as far from the madness as he can go… a small tropical island in the Philippine Archipelago.

                  1. Sounds interesting! I’ve liked Christian Kane ever since he played “Evil Hand” Lindsey on Angel. It’ll be interesting to see him aged a little.

                    1. Assuming you’ve see Secondhand Lions it is likely you didn’t spot him has Young Hub in the flashbacks.

                      Hard to recognize him because of the hectic murkiness of the shots.

                    2. !?!?? The tried a musical based on that movie?

                      Well, WTF not, eh? but it is easy to grasp it not making it out of Seattle. Songs by Rupert “The Pina Colada Song” Holmes.

      3. Given some of the bizarros the election system has put into office, I still stand by my Presidential Lottery concept…

        1. I read some chicklit (Like girl’s guide to hunting and fishing) and I’ll admit, I found it insufferable.

          Dudefic is, no matter the sex of the protagonist, about getting something done. Even if that something is just getting one’s backstroke of the author’s beartraps. The universe of the book has to acknowledge it because, well “ain’t dead”. Think “competency pr0n

          Chucklit is about becoming something. Accomplishment is an accessory. And it absolutely requires other people to acknowledge said Becoming. Hence the feeling like you’re reading a narcissistic power trip in the more badly-written of these books. At best, you can get redemption stories. Though, being a Dudefic person I prefer the naval-gazing about one’s feelings vs. on-page changed behaviour is kept to a minimum. I

          And this is why SF can be chicklit and Romance dudefic!

    3. Because a vote for Gropin’ Joe is really a vote for his chosen VP… and don’t think the DNC doesn’t realize this.

      1. Biden passes away quietly in his sleep shortly after the inauguration, Michelle Obama becomes President, and Nancy Pelosi becomes Vice President.

        “Sweet Meteor of Doom, deliver us from evil…”

        1. Um. Yeah. And then Michelle has an unfortunate accident, if Pelosi is around. (Unless Pelosi really wants to play Senate tie vote, which I don’t think she does.)

      2. I think Doctor Edith Wilson Jill Biden would fight the DNC tooth, nail, NSA, and Secret Service on that one.

    4. Now would slo Joe want a VP taller than he is if she is in heels? of course it would be hilarious S J gets affectionate.

  3. One of those insane dictatorships is of course Utah, where the LDS took over and rule with a clenched fist.

    Or at least that’s what CNN tells us. Strangely, more people want to get in than want to flee the dictatorship of the Mormontariat.

    -Albert

    (In the case of this kind of breakdown, I’m expecting congregations to form an alternative social backbone, at least where they’re small enough that the minister-in-charge fits the entire flock into one of his Dunbar sets.)

    1. Mormons of my experience have been honest, hard working, reliable, and polite. Of course the media and the Democrats (but I repeat myself) hate them.

      1. And the same Democrats and media who scream “Islamophobia” are the same ones who praise Broadway’s “Book of Mormon” for its mockery of Mormons and their religious beliefs Needless to say Broadway will never have a “Book of Mohammad” ever run.
        Will Democratic Party run states treat Muslims who \either state restrictions to observe Ramadan or follow them but get persecuted anyway in the same way they have treated Christian and Jews in similar situations. Will they threaten to take license plate numbers and quarantine them? I doubt that very much, because for Democrats there is one religion that is more equal than others.

        1. I had to roll my eyes at a newts [with apologies to all amphibians everywhere] story about the leadership of the Latter-Day Saints, that mentioned the church’s stepping away from the Boy Scouts. The implication being that this meant something [cue scary background music] bad and morally suspect [fade out scary music] about the LDS, rather than discontent with the ever-changing policies of the BSA.

          1. The BSA are Approved Good; they are a 100% converged organization.

            The LDS are bitter clingers with guns and Bibles, and who knows what unacceptable things they get up to out in flyoverland.

            Once you know who’s who, the news stories practically write themselves…

          2. The LDS have an underlying philosophy of seeking independence from any other organization. The BSA served well as as a youth program while the church membership was largely North American, but it was an increasingly poor fit for the growing Latin American and African membership, Contemplation of an independent youth program better adapted to the goals and direction of the Church had been going on for some time. The BSA had been becoming increasingly dominated by professional scouters instead of amateur volunteers, and the increasing cost of its programs and paraphernalia was driving an embarrassing difference between resources devoted to boys and girls. The leftward drift toward acceptance of homosexuality and away from the principles of the Scout Oath and Scout Law which were so attractive at the beginning of the scouting movement certainly didn’t help, but the split had been a long time coming.

        2. who scream ‘Islamophobia’

          It’s as if that word does not mean what they think it means. What they fail to understand is that while they turn belly up for what they fear, we on the Right don’t play that game. We react to that which threatens us differently than how we respond t that which disgusts us.

        3. Eid al-Fitr is coming up on May 23. It will be very educational to see if the government and the Facebook duckspeakers in the still-locked states make any fuss about the big end-of-Ramadan feasts.

          1. Our local Muslims have been playing fair, or at least have been quiet about it if they have been meeting on Fridays. Haven’t seen a bunch of cars at the mini-mosque. Of course, a lot of Muslim folks live in walking distance, and I haven’t exactly been watching for it.

            What I have seen (and find funny) is that a lot of Muslim men are VERY uncomfortable with the whole face covering thing, unless they are doctors. So they have been sending their wives out to shop. Meanwhile, those Muslim ladies who usually go whole hog on face and body covering… have cut back a tad, possibly because their husbands aren’t along or possibly because they feel like social distancing is protective.(Again, I could be wrong.)

            Our local Muslims seem to have figured out that you can do almost anything if you own your own picnic ground, and that’s where they do their Eid sacrificial goat killings. We’re all supposed to be getting out on May 1, so I don’t see outdoor religious activities being persecuted by that point.

        4. Maybe they’re hoping to geld the Muslims as they did the Christians?

          Take a gander at the mental health, longevity, economic clout, and cultural capital (and hence ability to tell the would-be masters to get stuffed) of any group “befriended” for any length of time by progressives.

          1. Or maybe they recognize that the Muslims will actually kill for religious freedom. That’s why the Muslims still have it.

          2. I suspect that the truly dangerous Muslims will use the Progressives who attempt to “befriend them” but not respect the Progressives.

            IE When the dangerous Muslims attempt to take over, the Progressives will either be killed or told to “Submit To Allah or die”.

  4. I think it is almost certain that Michelle Obama will be the Democratic Party VP candidate and that Obama’s endorsement was likely conditioned on it: See below from Breitbart. If this happens, I think the absolute worst case scenario is most likely.

    via BreitbartL

    Joe Biden: I’d Pick Michelle Obama as Running Mate ‘in a Heartbeat’
    Joshua Caplan
    Breitbart
    April 21, 2020

    Former Vice President Joe Biden, the presumptive Democrat presidential nominee, said he would undoubtedly select former first lady Michelle Obama to be his running mate, though he admitted she likely does not want to jump back into politics anytime soon.

    “I’d take her in a heartbeat,” Biden said in a Monday interview with CBS Pittsburgh when asked if he would add Obama to the ticket. “She’s brilliant. She knows the way around. She is a really fine woman. The Obamas are great friends.”

    However, he said he doubts she wants the job.

    “I don’t think she has any desire to live near the White House again,” Biden said.

    In the same interview, Biden reiterated his pledge to select a woman as his running mate and said the vetting process is still ongoing.

    “I’ll commit to that [it will] be a woman because it is very important that my administration look like the public, look like the nation,” he said. “And there will be, committed that there will be a woman of color on the Supreme Court, that doesn’t mean there won’t be a vice president, as well.”

    Biden previously proposed the former first lady as his running mate, telling supporters at an Iowa campaign stop in January that he would “sure would like Michelle to be the vice president.” During the same event, he also floated his former boss, President Barack Obama, as a possible Supreme Court Justice pick.

    “Yeah, I would, but I don’t think he’d do it,” the Democrat said when asked if he would choose Obama to sit on the High Court. “He’d be a great Supreme Court justice.”

    Biden’s latest remarks come as his campaign is vetting several women as potential running mates, including former White House candidates Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), Kamala Harris (D-CA), and Amy Klobuchar (D-MN). Also under consideration are Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) and failed Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacy Abrams (D).

    In a recent interview with Elle, Abrams reaffirmed her interest in running with Biden, saying she would be “honored” to do so and “would be an excellent running mate.”

    “I have the capacity to attract voters by motivating typically ignored communities. I have a strong history of executive and management experience in the private, public, and nonprofit sectors. I’ve spent 25 years in independent study of foreign policy,” said the Georgia Democrat.

    “I am ready to help advance an agenda of restoring America’s place in the world. If I am selected, I am prepared and excited to serve,” she added.

    1. Biden reiterated his pledge to select a woman as his running mate

      l

      That’s SEXIST!!

      But they’ll never understand.

      Because, you see, treating everybody the same is RAAAACISSST!!! and SEXXXISSST!!! but treating them differently based entirely on race and sex is NOT racist and sexist if it’s done the Right Way.
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      Always, always have a Plan O — for Oh Shit!

    2. hmm, I was positive it would be Stacy Abrams — she had lots of … insightful … things to say when she was running for GA governor on 2018.

    3. Also under consideration are Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D)


      If they do that, they are guaranteed to lose big in Michigan. 😀

      In a recent interview with Elle, Abrams reaffirmed her interest in running with Biden, saying she would be “honored” to do so and “would be an excellent running mate.”

      “I have the capacity to attract voters by motivating typically ignored communities.


      I don’t think the Democrats have ignored anybody except middle-class Americans outside the big cities. Perpetually ‘offended’ fringe-dwellers? Check. Deluded open-border one-worlders? Check. Illegal aliens? Check. The dead? Check, two or three times each.

      I have a strong history of executive and management experience in the private, public, and nonprofit sectors.


      Spending, embezzling and wasting other people’s money. Definite qualification for VP, that one.

      I’ve spent 25 years in independent study of foreign policy,


      Fantasizing about ‘What I would have done’ without any input from anybody with actual experience in foreign affairs. Has she ever been in a foreign country? Even as a tourist?
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      Wing: ”Have you ever heard the phrase, ‘Living well is the best revenge’?”

      Miles: “Where I come from, someone’s head in a bag is generally considered the best revenge.”

  5. Wait, What – you’ve got one even worse than this one?

    I think I’d best put i some time this afternoon sweeping the dust bunnies from under my bed.

      1. “They’re not coming to take our guns. They’re coming to give us theirs.”

        And their personnel carriers, tanks, artillery, and anything else they brought along during their Big Mistake. You’re not facing the US military; you’re taking on a population with more guns than every nation in the world – including the US military – put together. By a substantial multiple. And many of them combat veterans.

        Stamping down Federal overreach isn’t the *only* reason for the Second Amendment. As Isoroku Yamamoto wrote in response to proposals for a Japanese invastion of the US, “a rifle behind every blade of grass.”

        1. You’re not facing the US military; you’re taking on a population with more guns than every nation in the world

          More than that, you are facing a contingent defending their property, their rights, their families, their freedom. Like the defenders of Masada and the Alamo, they don’t see a choice of submit or die as representing a choice other than die slowly or die fast.

    1. She has already hinted that the worst case is if the commies/Democrats take over and there ISN’T a revolution. We all get to live in Nineteen Eighty-Four, just 36 years late.
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      Count Vordarian: “What? You’re a Betan! You can’t do—“

    2. I’ve been cleaning too, and it actually seems to be helping my writing focus. Which reminds me it’s time to get off the computer and tackle the next stage of that project.

      1. Hm, I am actually still working for pay (yay SQL being too scary for others to have learned) but cleaning does sound productive.

        Now where’s my Hoppes #9?

    3. Ye blobs and little fishes. YES. There is worse. And don’t let your mind wander like mine does, or consider too deeply the following if you value untroubled sleep.

      In the above, infrastructure was, largely intact enough to sustain internet connection in and around places it would be unlikely to survive very long (cities in hard lock rioting). Americans still survived. There were even places to run *to* when things got a bit nasty. Some semblance of civilization survived, in patches and places. I get the sense that *some* localities still had enough basic trust to *allow* people from outside in, even if they vet carefully.

      These are assumptions one doesn’t notice very much until you find yourself somewhere they most emphatically do not exist.

      No mention of plagues sweeping the nation as medical supply chain evaporates. Maybe local instances of diseases not seen in the US in over a century, but nothing widespread. No mention armies of vagrants sweeping in from the south- perhaps Texas with its remaining military got serious about its own southern border, even if Cali, well, who knows what happened to southern Cal. After the last base personell and their families decamped, no one really knows. If you’re looking for the warlords and tribes, look to southern Cal. Superfires decimate much of the rest of the state. Nature is rather happy with this. Humanity, not so much.

      No mention of bridges and dams failing. Sure they’ll last a while. But without constant maintainence, well. Bad things can happen. As for electricity, rolling brownouts in many areas become the norm. Water supplies *highly* suspect in some places, less so in others. Rolling brownouts and dirty water is still better than *no* electricity for large swathes, and water if you’re lucky enough to be near a source (in the west). If there are enough guys trained, willing, and able to do the work, things can be kinda, sorta normal. But where you’re as likely to get shot as not, men with families will often decline.

      No mention of slave markets, or institutions by another name that mean the same thing. We don’t know what’s happening *for sure,* and there have been some nasty rumors coming out of heavily urban areas. And a few unexplained fires in areas where the army went in and only women and children came out. But those are still just rumors as far as anyone knows, and the rumors are few.

      Hunger may have trimmed down large populations- starvation becoming more than just “struggling with hunger” if those annoying commercials haunted your radio back before the Time of Troubles (or the Great Suck, if you prefer). Cannibalism remains a rumor, not accepted fact. You are much more unlikely to meet roving gangs of feral kids. If you know the term and what it truly means, you get it.

      And the rest of the world, well, its there. Mostly. Sort of. Wars we mostly didn’t notice, mired in our own difficulty change things. Russia, oddly enough, is having another revolution. From reports, even bloodier than the last. Western Europe is still fighting the new caliphate, while another is rising somewhere around Iraq and fighting the first one along with everyone else. Nobody knows what went on in Africa. Probably more of the same. Africa wins again.

      Japan’s sneak attack on China was a bit of a shock. Even more so when they started to win. North Korea attempted to invade South Korea, caused a lot of damage, and then proceeded to nuke Russia because who knows why. China invaded North Korea after that, but got distracted by Japan. South Korea still hates Japan, but hopes they and China keep fighting forever or until they both die. On the other side of the continent, no one’s heard a peep out of Great Britain in a while. No one has bothered to really check, either. Best case, they’re forted up and hoping no one nasty comes knocking while they set their house in order.

      But even at that, things could get worse. The US has kept the lid on many powder kegs and frightened off many a would-be tyrant just by being the powerhouse we’ve been in the past. Yes, our foreign policy has been often schizophrenic (and apologies to those with schizophrenia for comparing them to our foreign policy). Enough infrastructure in the above remains for large populations to live. There remain enough sheepdogs to keep the wolves at bay, mostly, here and there. Heck, there are even doctors still working, some even with access to more sophisticated supply than liquor and apothecary tools in the above.

      My friends, YES. It can get worse. MUCH. WORSE.

      But the last, least, and worst scenario is also the least likely. Pessimist I may be, by nature. Depressive by innate inclination. But I can at least recognize when the scenarios the mind is conjuring are a bit unrealistic. As long as the scenario does not involve talking to women I like. *chuckle* That one’s always a bit wonky.

      1. You are leaving out the inevitable nuclear war between India and Pakistan and the nuclear exchange the evolves out of Iran’s effort to “wipe Israel off the map”.

        1. Yep. And assorted other conflicts, but the India Paki war is going to be *brutal.* Israel with the gloves off could get… interesting. Mostly, they seem to play nice because they can, and because they have their own internal issues to sort out.

          Getting attacked tends to short cut those issues.

          Totally left out South America and the goings on in Mexico. Mexico, without the release valve and succor of the US? And Cuba, left alone by all the socialists that have no time for them, and the new Florida navy? Messy stuff.

          Could have gone in to the Swiss war, Germany’s cold wake up call, and the Poles “Not this sh*t again.” And the latest invasion of Italy, of course. Australia’s own issues, trying to help the islands, and trying to fend off a feisty China who is lurking about despite its own troubles with Japan.

          Could have mentioned the armed oil platforms and their ongoing war with the drug runners, the new oil crisis, and the Disaster Nobody Showed Up For. With the US looking internally, a few thousand dead or missing became over a hundred thousand. Storm, earthquake, you name it.

          Nor growing piracy and the lack of plane travel. Armed truck convoys in the US becoming the norm. Outposts of order and what that means for travel. Didn’t mention what happened to Alaska, or Canada splitting apart. The mystery of who sunk the Russian navy. Or what happens to the ports when the ships don’t come.

          If someone wants to write it, it would fall under “dystopia” more than near future sci-fi, I think.

          Still. It could get worse. It ain’t likely. But some, or all, *could.* It ain’t piles of tiny human bones with human teeth marks on them, and the government having to tell us not to eat our children. It ain’t the death of hope itself and a return to the long night which none of us nor even our children’s children will see the return of civilization’s light.

          Oh, at worst, they might *call* it civilization. Some form of it, anyway. Only when children can play in the open without fear, and men and women can breathe free air again will they look back and say “dayum. We done messed up but good back then.” And sigh, for what might have been.

          Seriously, if someone likes that sort of fiction have at it. I’m trying like heck to focus on adventures that have happy endings. It ain’t easy. But I think it more worthwile than scribbling up another dark fantasy of what may come again.

      2. Ugh. ‘Caliphate’ could come true even sooner than Tom Kratman’s worst nightmares.

        ‘The Last Centurion’ only without the Freeze or the H5N1 flu, but with twice the stupid. Ringo only postulated one idiot at the top, but we seem to have idiots all the way down. San Diego County Supervisor Nathan Fletcher was last heard calling for lockdown until September or October, $1,000 fines or 6 months in jail for breaking curfew ‘social distancing’.

        I get to work one day this week! Although it could be only half a day. And there was much rejoicing. (Yay)
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        Now remember, you idiots – it’s rape, loot, pillage, THEN burn!

        1. Met some Russians, have you? *chuckle* If one has read their Solzhenitsyn, it becomes rather easier to see where that attitude came from.

        1. Read Don’s links. Kim and Peter are old Africa hands now US citizens. Good people, I recommend reading them both. Peter Grant has a few books out that may be worth your time if you like old school adventure sci-fi and mil sf.

          “Africa wins again” is a fatalistic response to how cheap human life in Africa is. There are any number of animals, insects, and plagues that will kill you if they can. Not might. Not may. Will. There are also the regular years long droughts followed by massively destructive flooding.

          It’s also a commentary on Africans themselves. You’re more likely to be slain by your fellow man and your children burnt alive as offerings to ward off demons, have your neighbor butchered and eaten by fellow humans, or any other number of equally horrible ends.

          The powers of the world, the US and China, sometimes France, in the past other European nations, they saw Africa’s plight and tried to help. Heck, are still trying, actively. But how does shipping food over to stop famine help when the local warlord slaughters the aid workers and burns the food? How do you stop flesh eating viruses when the locals insist on getting up close and personal with the corpse, then trying to ward off the “curse” with magic, which may or may not involve human sacrifice? How do you create infrastructure so you can build businesses and companies there when the locals steal the copper, chop down the poles, and murder your employees?

          The West and East conspire to save Africa from itself- but Africa wins again. Kim and Peter are more specific, and put it better. Heck, there are reddit threads on “Africa wins again” and other such things about on the net.

          In a broader sense, there will always be bums. By that I mean you’ll never be rid of the poorest of the poor. A large number are poor because of choices they have and continue to make, not out of any lack of ability or talent. I don’t mean the mentally ill, and there are a good number of those since we turned out the asylums. I mean one of the consequences of freedom is the freedom to make poor choices and suffer the consequences of those choices.

          Morality, or better choices, cannot be legislated into being. It doesn’t work. People are rather stubborn that way. Just as wisdom can come from making bad decisions (and living through what inevitably follows), folk can take the wrong lessons and end up worse off. Calling a terrible disease a curse and trying to end it with some ritual or other is still a step up from outright panic. It’s just not usually effective at correcting the root cause. You can’t change a culture overnight that thinks the cure for AIDS is sex with a virgin.

          That’s another reason why I support Constitutional freedoms and limiting of government power. If I am free to choose, to act, and to suffer the consequences of that action for good or ill I am therefore free to grow wiser, stronger, wealthier, and happier for it if the choices I make are good, and the situation doesn’t smack me down in the mean time. It is also why free markets end up doing better, and why free societies innovate more.

          1. “How do you create infrastructure so you can build businesses and companies there when the locals steal the copper, chop down the poles, and murder your employees?”

            Note that the “locals” include the native wildlife. I have told the story before about my Big 5 IT company having to deploy wireless because the elephants pushed over / dug up network cables. And if there were honest figures reported on how many people are killed by Cecil the Lion and his fellows, including herbivores like hippos, elephants, Cape Buffalo, etc., you would see a real drop off in the tourists in fake leopard headbands.

            1. All too many people seem to be incapable of comprehending that “herbivore” does NOT indicate “harmless” — not even “mostly harmless.”

              Local sign (and not mine, I will add): “You must be able to cross this field in 9.9 seconds. The bull makes it in 10.0 seconds flat.”

              1. Local sign (and not mine, I will add): “You must be able to cross this field in 9.9 seconds. The bull makes it in 10.0 seconds flat.”

                Yellowstone NP. “You can’t get out of the way of a Bison/Buffalo, Bull Elk, Ram, coming your way. Stay in your stopped car in the road. Hope you are passed by. If the boy decides that that other boy reflected in your shiny car … good luck & hope you have ‘act of god’ part in your insurance.” (Otherwise known as Comprehensive).

                All 3 have been known to attack reflections … We need not discuss what happens if you are caught out in the open. Did you know that most YNP deaths are due to Elk and Bison? With Thermals coming in a distant 3rd? Then overextended hikers, lost hikers, and not-even-in-the-top-10, finally bears, wolves, & feline (cougar/bobcat), & the “true” predators. Or “just because they don’t eat you, after they killed you, you are still dead”.

                1. I recall the video of some idiot idioting at a bison. My thoughts on seeing that was that said idiot was really lucky he managed to encounter such an amazingly laid-back bison.

                  1. I remember seeing a video — fairly recently — of a reporter in front of a camera in Yellowstone giving many sideways glances before he and the cameraman piled into the car. The cameraman then gave a shot of the buffalo from inside the car.

                    Much jesting over social distancing.

                  1. Or putting their child on the back of a bull elk laying down near one of the thermal parking lots to take a picture (full rack, not in rut, yet). Or that was the intent. If a child hadn’t been involved our comments would have been more quiet. But since a child was involved. The words “OMG. What an Idiot! He is going to get that child Killed!.” Might have been loudly proclaimed & ranger gotten involved.

              2. A carnivore will attack because it views you as prey; a herbivore because it views you as threat. In neither case will your actual intentions/capabilities much matter.

                Because carnivores are sometimes sated they will sometimes let you pass unmolested (N.B.: one reason for the detestation of the weasel and its relatives is that they frequently kill far beyond their capacity for consumption, beyond need.) But herbivores will always feel threatened.

                1. If you read Peter Capstick’s books on leopards, they will occasionally do that too, on people. Kill a dozen, but not eat anything from any of them.

          1. There is progress being made in some areas. But yeah, generally Africa wins.

            OTOH, one of the Catholic Answers call-in shows had somebody asking what became of the African missions effort (ie, raising money for the “pagan babies”). The host pointed out that the African Catholic churches are handling the African missions now, as well as staffing a lot of American parishes with priests.

            I gather that the African side of the Anglicans, Baptists, etc. are doing equally amazing things, despite all the crazy stuff going on with various African governments.

            1. The host pointed out that the African Catholic churches are handling the African missions now, as well as staffing a lot of American parishes with priests.

              I think that might be partly to work on some of the less functional aspects of African cultures.

              My family tends to be in the areas where you put priests so they’ll do the least damage, so this isn’t a representative sample, it’s a stupid people tricks type sample.

              …there have been words with priests who expect parish members to provide all goods and services free of charge if it’s “for the church.”

              This, in a VERY Irish, highly Catholic area.

              Don’t get me started on the issues with attempted emotional manipulation with regards to stuff like being a Godmother…attempted on a parish member who escaped an abusive marriage, followed all the rules, is remarried and does counseling on stuff like that.

              Stuff was… very strained, for a while.

              The priest got better, which all things considered from a human side is impressive and highly praise-worthy.

    1. Well, that’s an interesting way to get out the youth vote. Do they think the kids forgot who made them go hungry already?

      Pretty sure no one hates Mrs. Obama more than the youth who were teen athletes and got their lunch calories cut.

  6. At first I read the title as “Cry Havelock” and thought “what has poor kitty done now?”

      1. I feel for ya. Scotty the Derphund is pretty much the same way. Except when he decides that his humans are the best pillows. In which case we are absolutely forbidden from ever leaving the bed…. at least until Scotty the Derphund gets bored and decides to go nap someplace else.

        1. I always wonder how long it goes on and how quickly the human recovers when I see a photo of a person sitting and a very relaxed/tired horse lying down, head on lap or legs.

      2. Ballerina thinks all the furniture is hers as well, but she insists that her people present themselves to attend to her and to be used as her pillow.,

        1. Or for a veterinarian. Don’t tell me putting some statehouse-dictator-wannabes to sleep wouldn’t be an improvement.

  7. This is still an optimistic path. People still civilized. Small towns still live. The problem is that once you start down the road, there is no turnoff until civilization dies. It is like how the towers fell, once the top floor broke, they all crashed to the bottom.

    What happens to the nukes? Every missile sub has the capacity to kill millions, Who do they target. Who do the ones they target, target?
    When EMPs wipe out the world’s electronics, that alone has the capacity to do great harm. Millions try to flee cities. There is no place to go.

    Rome survived several civil wars. We won’t. The environmentalists will be happy. Our carbon footprint will be reduced. Although the radiation footprint enlarges.

    I will die. The only question is how, and when.

    1. > Every missile sub has the capacity to kill millions,

      “…of people crowded together into unsustainable urban anthills.”

      For most countries, take out the capitol and they’re crippled; take out the half-dozen largest cities and they’re toast. The USA would hurt, but it would still be almost fully operational, because food, industry, and the military aren’t in the urban targets.

      1. Unfortunately a lot of food processing and distribution IS centralized in bigger cities. That can be changed, but not quickly. At BEST there would be severe belt-tightening for a time – measured in months, and that number might be more than 12.

        However, if anyone does trying popping nukes at/in the USA and they are at all traceable to origin, they are going to have a Very Bad Time indeed even (especially) if they hit their target(s).

  8. More optimism for our hostess: https://nypost.com/2020/04/21/de-blasios-social-distancing-tip-line-flooded-with-obscenities/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons

    Mayor Bill de Blasio’s critics let him know how they really felt about him ordering New Yorkers to snitch on each other for violating social-distancing rules — by flooding his new tip line with crank complaints including “dick pics” and people flipping the bird, The Post has learned.

    Photos of extended middle fingers, the mayor dropping the Staten Island groundhog and news coverage of him going to the gym have all been texted to a special tip line that de Blasio announced Saturday, according to screenshots posted on Twitter.

    One user sent the message “We will fight this tyrannical overreach!” to the service and got an automated message that in part said, “Hello, and thank you for texting NYC311.”

    They are even saying her favorite anti-authoritarian phrase, “These are my middle fingers”.

    1. Again, this is in one of the bluest of blue states. When the tyrants come, they’ll find a lot of subversion even in the most welcoming places.

        1. And even with all this, the New Yorkers from downstate will vote for whoever the Democrats run in Federal elections this November.

        2. I think they’d have to be. I am informed that all of those [digit]11 services – 911, 411, etc – are regional.

          So people outside the region would only reach their local service if they tried to call in.

          1. Downright local – at the exchange level, at least it was. Before it became a National Standard, we used 911 as the ‘callback number’ (pick up phone, dial 911, hang up, wait for the extension to be picked up, then pick up and talk.)

    2. DeBlasio was also apparently shocked to learn that criminals released to keep them from getting infected in prison would start committing crimes again.

      He’s also announced that he wants to hold a ticker-tape parade for health care workers when the stay at home order is lifted.

        1. I’m not surprised. DiBlassio is a rat and the first lesson a NYC kid learns is that you don’t rat. Of course, he’s not a NYC kid, he’s a red diaper academic baby who grew up in Cambridge Mass.

          Traffic here is growing daily, last week was dead. This week the roads are starting to fill. Anger at dear gauleiter Murphy is growing and the Gadsden flags are out again. One service that we provide to the rest of the country is to absorb a large quantity of your a$$holes. We produce a surplus of our own and you all keep sending us yours. We don’t like having them any more than you did.

          I don’t see this going on much more than a week more or so. They can only suppress it for so long and it won’t be well behaved tea party people coming out either.

      1. I confess I would laugh like Hell if lots of people got Woo-Hoo FLu from handling that ticker-tape.

        I would regret it later, but not before I’d laughed till I’d cried.

        1. I found out about the parade plans from a post over at Ace’s blog. Ace helpfully included a segment about the parade that Philadelphia had in 1918 after it beat the Spanish Flu… and the unfortunate results of said parade.

    3. I cannot recall quite where – else I would provide links – but I noticed an article today about a government-rat-out-your-neighbors site being inundated with d*ck-p*cs.

      Seems appropriate.

      1. Oops – same as the article you linked. I missed the URL in the one I saw.

        Never mind.

  9. While we’re considering bad scenarios….
    Say it turns out Kim Jong Un is really dead (or brain dead). Messy succession struggle ensues. China tells the factions, “We don’t care, but you’d better keep your people out of China!” The generals look at each other, they know they’re losing control. So they do what anyone raised in a bubble of insanity does: they manage to get one missile armed and lob it at…Beijing. Why not? They might regard the Chinese as much more threatening than anyone else.

    1. There was open source on just that thought occurring to the PLA generals a while back.

      I recall “totally routine” PLA troop redeployments towards the Yalu from the Chinese side, both to beef up the border against all the Norks sneaking across and just in case an episode of “first hand assistance to our marxist brothers and sisters” was required. And on the other side there were various rumors of enthusiastic witch hunts for Nork Generals that placed too high on the Friends of the Middle Kingdom list.

      1. Noted this in the NY Post summary of news opinions from elsewhere:

        Democrats’ disdain for the jobless and other commentary
        [SNIP]
        China watch: Xi’s Sneaky Strategy
        Leaving China with President Trump after a state visit in November 2017 hosted by President Xi Jinping, former National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster recalls in The Atlantic, he was more convinced than ever “a dramatic shift in US policy was overdue.” The country’s Communist leaders ­today “believe they have a narrow window of strategic opportunity to strengthen their rule and revise the international order in their favor — ­before China’s economy sours, before the population grows old, before other countries realize that the party is pursuing national rejuvenation at their ­expense and before unanticipated events such as the coronavirus pandemic expose the vulnerabilities the party created in the race to surpass the United States and realize the China Dream.” China’s strategy is “co-option, coercion and concealment,” but “free-market economies like ours control the majority of the world’s capital, and we have far more leverage than we are employing.” Without pushback from America “and like-minded nations, China will ­become even more aggressive in promoting its statist economy and authoritarian ­political model.”

        [Emphasis Added]

    2. They’re much more likely to shoot a missile at Japan, their hereditary enemy for the last few hundred years.

      1. Yes, but isn’t China their hereditary even longer.

        I mean, why the Japanese? They stole Korea from China as a tributary state fair and square.

        1. I guess there’s arguments either way. Maybe they’ll cobble two missiles together and not have to decide.

          1. No, it’s possibly-brain-dead-lil-Kim that has to cobble missiles. The Chicoms have had nuclear warhead ICBMs that could hit the US mainland for decades. It looks like between PLARF and the PLAN their current strategic OOB is between 50 and 100 land based ICBMs and another 25-75 SLBMs that range on at least part of the continental US.

            1. That is what I mean — the North Koreans cobble two missiles together, shoot one at China, one at Japan.

              Is there a National Darwin Award for that?

        2. Japan’s more recent. There are people still alive in South Korea (and maybe in North Korea) who still remember the rather brutal period of time in which Korea was part of the Empire of Japan (note that it was all done via legal means, and not military conflict). There’s also Hashiba Hideyoshi’s invasion following the (almost) end of the Sengoku Jidai under his rule. It was ultimately unsuccessful, but iirc it lasted for over a decade. China is an older enemy, but one that Korea has actually had a lot of success keeping at bay over the last couple of millenia. IIRC, the last time China occupied the entire peninsula was during the Han Dynasty.

          1. Yes, there are still those alive in Korea who recall all too vividly their “contribution” of “Comfort Women” to the Rising Sun’s armies in WWII — and it is the sort of treatment that leaves scars … itching, burning scars.

            Another point of which I am vaguely aware – so check before you cite me on this – there is reputedly a close racial conjunction of the two peoples, one which the Japanese reject with the sort of virulence typically reserved for unpalatable truths.

            1. It seems to be largely an age thing– the same folks who will, say, protest a Navy base because of the bombs will also treat Korean folks rather poorly. (Until they figure out that the Korean guy is a Navy guy, frequently. “American” is frequently but not always a winner, I don’t know why.)

              Again, not an expert, but the impression I get is that they’re not at, oh, the way Americans joke about Canadians– but they’re not quite at the Parisian French responding to Americans, either. Bring home a Korean girlfriend, you might scandalize grandma, but your mom is going to be happy.

              1. South Korea is now rich, and lots of people listen to K-pop. So Koreans are starting to be considered cool, and they show up in anime as various cool, edgy characters or visiting amiable celebrities. (You still don’t see Japanese of Korean ancestry as characters, AFAIK.) It probably helps that young South Koreans watch a lot of anime.

                OTOH, there’s still a lot of South Korean historical dramas that point out how the Japanese assassinated the last Empress of Korea. (Allegedly. But they totally did.)

                I did see one show about a middle-aged nerdy Japanese guy who married a middle-aged (but still childbearing-capable) nerdy South Korean woman whom he had met online. Both had been only children. And the parents of both were like, “Don’t care don’t care don’t care GRANDCHILDREN YAY!”

                1. Netflix has a Korean series called “Mr. Sunshine”. It’s about a resistance to the rising power of Japan in Korea prior to the takeover, told largely through the eyes of a former Korean child slave who fled to the US, joined the Marines and became a citizen, and came back as part of an (fictional, afaik) American military and diplomatic mission. Great series.

                  But VERY unsympathetic to the Japanese.

                  In fairness, I think some of the stuff that the Japanese are shown doing is anachronistic, and didn’t actually turn up for at least two or three more decades. But it’s stuff that they are known to have been doing right up until the US nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And after watching Mr. Sunshine, you won’t have any regrets about Japan getting nuked.

    3. It could be worse: North Korea plunges into civil war between various military and political factions, several of which have one or more nuclear weapons. Then South Korean, Chinese, Russian, and American troops move into the now-radioactive battlefield to “establish order” or “render aid”, while backing one or the other factions, but the general population are fully-indoctrinated and fight to the death against the foreign invaders even without a functioning government.

      Sort of like the proposed invasion of Japan in 1945, except with no Emperor to order a surrender…

      1. North Koreans fight back against the foreigners? What are they going to eat? How are they going to fuel their equipment?

        North Korea can only exist so long as it gets necessities from the outside. Without that, it starves.

        And something horrific occurs to me. If the theories about the impending food shortages this winter are accurate…

        >.<

        It'll be bad enough trying to supply food to foreign populations that can pay for it. Countries that essentially require donated food could be in a VERY bad way.

        1. After explaining that I had early childhood exposure to Sid & Marty Krofft products and thus have no need of taking LSD, I have been told, “No. LSD takes you!”

  10. It’s not a life-or-death thing if you can get one tiny, little, cheap pill a couple of times a day.

    Back during the Hillarycare debate one of the more intelligent observations I recall hearing was that modern medicine hadn’t so much made us healthier (we aren’t – see below at *) but rather was permitting more people who were unhealthy to remain functional. Not just knee and hip replacements but also insulin and other anti-diabetics, various blood pressure medications and a variety of other ameliorative therapies.

    Hell, even such basic items as aspirin and other nonsteroidal antiinflammatory drugs would likely become unavailable.

    *People living now are notably less healthy, what with rampant obesity and indolent, chair-bound lifestyles. Even basic yard care, for many people, no longer involves pushing a mower and raking but sitting on a rider-mower and pointing a blower.

    1. Trying to explain this to folks is amazingly difficult.

      “Yes, there are a bunch of folks in horrible health. Because they’re not dead, and in fact are happy to be alive, but the stuff that happened would have killed them without intervention.”

    2. I dunno — my kids LOVEusing a rake. Of course, they are only first graders, but still …

  11. Was it when New Jersey, for the upteenth time blocked a protest and started arresting protestors?

    it is not hard to envision somebody providing overwatch for a protest, taking down with long-range sniper fore any police officers attempting to arrest protesters.

    For that matter, it is not hard to imagine some group provoking rioting to (further) discredit government as over-reacting and unable to handle the crisis — establishing the predicate for, say, a local National Guard or state police commander to step-up and declare martial law. Or perhaps an Al Sharpton-type “Civil Rights Leader” (or even, in perhaps Michigan, a “moderate” Iman) might find himself called into public service for the duration of the emergency. Ya just never know, do ya”

    1. These days more likely a jittery PD SWAT team would get pushed into “returning fire” than the multiple deployed and battle hardened NG units, but recall that Kent State was started with gunfire from other than the NG unit on scene (Which was very much un-battle-tested, as the National Guard in those days was where one went trying to avoid drafted deployment to the fun filled RVN).

      1. Kent State was a set-up. It jumps out even with the most casual examination of the “accepted facts”. The Governor, the police, and the college were all working together to force the confrontation, which could have been prevented with trivial effort.

        ex-KGB general Kalugin claimed the KGB pumped major effort into college riots and demonstrations during that era; I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole thing turned out to be a highly-successful operation of the First Chief Directorate.

    2. There are a LOT of complaints about police cracking down on Christians going to Church on Sunday while completely ignoring the large number of Muslims going to Mosques Multiple times a day.
      People ARE NOT happy when the Politian’s are playing favorites with Religion like that.

  12. Yes, the US army has engaged

    Too little, too late. Posse Comitatus laws delayed any timely effective response, allowing various groups to seize armories and establish strongholds. Further, the military proved too small to effectively stabilize much of the fifty states, and were limited primarily to maintaining those areas surrounding military bases — Fort Knox, Fort Bragg, Pendelton AF Base, Camp Lejeune and others. All efforts to expand from those areas revealed the breakdown of supply and logistics chains, with disabled tanks, armored vehicles and planes leaving the military largely incapacitated, lacking all ability to project force.

    1. Depends on what counts as an “armory”, but some would have started out in control of one. Or the “armory” they seized was “Joe’s house down the street”.

      Obama’s Civilian Rearmament Program was easily his most successful initiative.

      1. Apparently law enforcement is still occasionally coming across LMGs and such that were entrepreneurially acquired from Los Angeles NG armories back during the Rodney King riots.

    2. “Posse Comitatus laws delayed any timely effective response,”

      Posse Comitatus has been a dead letter since Eisenhower ignored it and sent the 101st to Little Rock in 1958.

      What’s likely to get a workout Real Soon Now is when one of the Blue Governors tries to order “his” National Guard out on the protesters and President Trump imitates both Ike and Kennedy by Federalizing them and ordering them as CinC to stand down.

      1. And that being most likely in Imperator Gavin I’s Glorious Bear Flag Peoples Republic.

      2. Posse Comitatus doesn’t apply to use of the military to suppress domestic insurrection and to the extent it purports to disallow use to suppress insurrection it would be unconstitutional. As the Little Rock situation in 1958 was considered insurrection, it was not unlawful to use the military.

        1. Precisely. And since any President can declare a state in insurrection pretty much at will (see Insurrection Act, especially as amended), Posse Comitatus hasn’t been a barrier.

      3. Or “to restore a Republican form of government to the state in question in place of the current tyrant”.

        The Federal Government, does after all, guarantee each state a Republican form of government in Article V, Section 4.

    3. This is before discussing the number of units, mostly National Guard, but on occasion regular army, who used their armories to arm local defense forces while splitting into cadres to provide on trained element in each new company and battalion.

  13. Word is Colorado, out May 1, bars and restaurants May 15. Don’t know if it’s news but our hostess might soon be able to quote that old spiritual. Free at last. thank God Almighty we are free at last.

    We here are not.

    1. The talk in Illinois is that the lockdown will be extended to June 1. I”ll be leaving the state before then, at least for a break. We’ve been in the house since March 10th now. So June 1 is not happening.

      Beyond that, the local economy will absolutely tank beyond recovery. One-quarter of the year without income will pretty much force 30+% of the population on the dole and destroy their baseline employment. So, it’s possible that Illinois will look to some kind of extended public assistance. At the end of it all, that will be over half the people in Cook County. The ramifications of that are … considerable.

      What’s missing locally is ANY talk of economic consequences. You would have to hear more discussion of realities to expect any stop to the craziness before May 1st. I expect the announcement then. What we’re hearing now is “preparation.” Downstate is too weak in Illinois and has no voice in the media. Chicago = Illinois and the COVID count here is still climbing. The largest number of cases is in Black/Minority neighborhoods and media conversation is often framed in racial terms. So, I don’t see any way around it for the political class.

      I can’t wrap my brain around the longer term ramifications. The state is bankrupt. So is the City. Leadership is trapped by its “politics,” history, and momentum. I suppose the big gamble is on a democratic President. But somehow, that doesn’t seem enough

      1. Which is why they were explicitly looking for Federal bailout money in the latest package. Didn’t get it.

        1. Looks like the Fed Reserve is going to buy $500B in state bonds as part of the recovery package. I missed this earlier … Illinois pols probably expect their share of the loot and take another
          chance to kick the debt can down the road

          1. As I always say, ‘Governments can only print money; they can’t make it worth anything. They can make it worth nothing.’

            BUT DO THEY HAVE TO WORK AT IT?!!

          2. That’s going to be the backdoor that fixes state pensions. The Fed will buy it and it will be traded to the Federal Government somehow or banks will be required to hold some of their reserves in the form of state bonds bought from the Fed and that guaranteed prime grade A something or the other.

            And our “models” of them will be dictated by the Fed to treat them as risk free and immune to market forces (ie, we’ll use IC covid models).

            1. Have to agree … I suspect this has been in the works for a while now. Makes one stop and think a bit

      2. Unfortunately, Chicago is the tail that wags the dog of Illinois, and has been for decades (grew up downstate in the 70’s and 80’s, and there was already annoyance with the influence of Chicago). Michigan has the same problem with Detroit, which is also a ChiCom Flu hotspot. And New York City is the outsized hotspot for the whole US — take it out, and US numbers plummet, even with the hotspots of Chicago, Detroit, LA, etc.

      3. What we’re hearing now is “preparation.”

        Our governor extended his stay at home order until the end of the month so that we would”have time to prepare to reopen.”

        Because that’s totally not something we could have been doing during the initial three week stay-at-home-period. /sarc

        And all of the suggestions for how to prepare to reopen are a) things that the open stores have already been doing on their own and b) would take less than an afternoon to implement, not two weeks.

        I don’t know who is going to run against him the next gubernatorial election, but I think I will vote for not him.

    2. Pretty much everything but nightclubs and theaters here Friday.

      Which is now being discussed on Twitter as an attempt to kill all the blacks in Georgia, because they work at a lot of the places being opened.

      Can’t stop stupid, I guess.

      1. No. Given the rumors that have floated around among blacks about the virus not afflicting blacks, or it being a CIA/FBI/other government conspiracy “like HIV” and the Tuskeegee Experiment, and . . . I’m not surprised. Saddened, but not surprised.

  14. I’m going to just leave this here and quietly slip away …

    Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer Awards Big Coronavirus Contract to Democrat Consulting Firm
    Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer has awarded the state contract to trace and track coronavirus victims to a Democratic consulting firm that worked for her 2019 campaign.

    Contact tracing is used to find out who’s got the virus and who they’ve been in contact with. The massive amount of data could help in finding out who should be tested and where resources to fight the spread of coronavirus need to go.

    Whitmer awarded a contract for contact tracing in the state to Every Action VAN, an arm of the Democratic data heavyweight NGP VAN. Essentially, Whitmer has given the ability of NGP Van to develop a massive amount of data on voters. The company says it won’t use the data collected in Michigan for political purposes. …

    1. Man bites dog, press asks democratic governor a critical question. Contracts were cancelled shortly after.

  15. They’re saying that WHO was hacked and all the emails between them, Gates, and Wuhan are online. Don’t know if it’s true or just another hoax like whoa fat in Korea but it’d be bonny we’re it true.

  16. The NYC covid snitch line (311 692) was flooded out with bogus reports.

    Phoney events, Birds, pictures of private parts, suggestions of destinations and unlikely acts, even a bowl of gummies in the shape of male genitals and a suggestion to dine.

    Totally swamped.

    And this seems to be happening elsewhere.

    I love this country! Everyone does their part.

    #disobey

  17. Wonder how long before some towns and counties declare themselves to be “sanctuary cities” from the oppressive state decrees; after all the Democrats issuing such decrees certainly can’t complain given that they are the ones setting the precedent; of course they will do so because ignoring immigration law is different than ignoring executive orders because one advances their policy agenda and the other does not.

    1. Already happening, in several states. Usually it’s the sheriffs who are saying they won’t enforce the lockdowns.

    2. Most of counties and cities in Virginia have told old Blackface himself to kiss off on guns. Probably will on his order to close until the Second Coming too.

      1. Southwest VA has, as of last time I was working over there. Of course, southwest VA is pretty staunchly bible-belt conservative, for the most part. The other part is stubborn as the day is long and not shy about letting you know it, too.

        I’ve family up that way, so trust me, I know whereof I speak. *chuckle*

  18. No link because of the Wall Street Journal pay wall, but to quote Congressional Custodian Andrew McNair, “Sweet Jesus!”

    ‘The French Are Very Bad at Picking Asparagus.’ Virus Imperils European Farming.
    Covid-19 raises questions about the viability of an economic system built on borderless migration and a single marketplace—especially in the bloc’s agricultural industry
    – – –
    Caroline Goursat had recently finished training as a flight attendant when France went into a strict coronavirus lockdown, sealing its borders and grounding planes. Days later, the 19-year-old was waking up at dawn to pick white asparagus at a farm in southern France.

    “It’s quite taxing,” said Ms. Goursat, who spends half her day bending over to carefully pick the asparagus without snapping off their slender shoots.

    Ms. Goursat is a soldier in France’s “great agricultural army,” thousands of locally recruited workers who are deploying to the country’s fields after the coronavirus pandemic disrupted the flow of seasonal laborers.

    Covid-19 is tearing at the European Union’s binding principles, raising questions about the viability of an economic system built on borderless migration and a single marketplace that matches labor supply with demand. Nowhere is that more apparent than in the sudden reordering of its agricultural industry.

    Normally, workers from poorer parts of the European Union, particularly Central and Eastern Europe, would take many of these jobs. Each spring they hopscotch the continent on buses, moving from farm to farm to plant and pick crops.

    Now, with many borders closed because of the coronavirus pandemic, many in Western Europe are rethinking the dependence on distant pools of labor—and are trying to spur an interest in farm work among people closer to home.

    The crisis is putting other practices of European agriculture under scrutiny, including the use of long-haul trucks to move livestock and produce, and farms’ growing specialization on niche, luxury products such as white asparagus.

    When borders and businesses closed in mid-March, farmers were stuck with rotting crops that restaurants, hotels and other venues affected by the lockdowns were no longer buying.

    The continent is beginning to relax national borders and reopen its economy, and farmers now need manpower to plant and harvest.

    [END EXCERPT]

    1. Until not long ago in living memory, there were plenty of people who took off from work at the harvest time of various crops, left the cities, and went back home to help out (for money). And brought along friends (who also made extra money). Londoners out picking hops in Kent, for example.

      Getting rid of migrant workers and the temptation to traffick workers illegally… might not be bad.

      1. When my mom was still a full-time school teacher, she spent her summers doing that– and a lot of her students were the kids of those migrant workers. You follow the growing season, and have a home base somewhere.

        She didn’t much approve of the effect on the kids, but given the places she was teaching I think that may have been more of a cultural issue of competition between the migrant workers and the illegals.

        By the time I have any memories, the legal migrants were gone, in no small part because there wasn’t anyplace that a legal citizen was allowed to live anymore. The picker’s cabins were effectively outlawed by requiring improvements that are simply too expensive to allow, and the attempts with RVs…well, you can’t just park them, anymore….

        1. The picker’s cabins were effectively outlawed by requiring improvements that are simply too expensive to allow….


          I wonder if that might be reversed given the popularity of Tiny Homes?

          Not only migrant seasonal workers for eating crops, but tree planters. Both hubby & I planted a few trees on crews on weekends while attending college; where the statements “ah Salmon Berry Patch” or “Devils Club …” comes in & you just got nod of agreement (you had to be there). I even picked beans, strawberries, during HS summers. Sister’s worked canneries. In all cases it taught us what we didn’t want to do when we grew up …

          1. That’s what’s been shutting down a lot of attempted tiny house developments– although most cities focus more on stuff like parking.

            ********

            It’s good work, it’s easy to do badly but not so badly you’re a menace, and it DEFINITELY teaches you what you don’t want to do as an adult!

            1. After a brief fascination with tiny homes, I’ve come to realize that they sit in a sour spot: smaller than a single-wide, vastly more expensive than a camper trailer.

              I love the idea of shipping container homes, too, but really you’re just paying for extremely expensive siding and a whole lot of inconvenience.

              1. Oh, I’m still fascinated with tiny homes, and cheer them on– because a lot of the Really Cool Toys they come up with go through R&D and eventually make it down to making my life nicer. 😉 We’ve got a 30ft camper for our horde, and the “off the grid” fad items of 10-15 years back already improved it.

      2. My grandparents were migrant pickers up and down the Atlantic seaboard, following the harvest, until my Dad was in his early teens. They mostly lived in a pickup truck with tarps. They parked Dad with various relatives during school terms. It was the Depression, and they were not only actually working steady, they always had enough to eat.

        They’d *seen* people who were poor. And while they didn’t have much money, they weren’t *that* kind of poor…

  19. Forgot to point out that yesterday, Fr. Mitch Pacwa started his Scripture and Tradition show on EWTN by wearing a cowboy hat and a bandana over his mouth, as well as his clericals. He kept the hat and pulled down the bandana, and explained that he’d worn that outfit to the doctor’s office that morning.

    And told the receptionist, “Your medical forms or your life!” The receptionist reportedly got the giggles bad.

    Fr. Pacwa is a funny guy. But if he’s being rebellious and pranky, people are really getting antsy.

    1. Chuckle Chuckle

      I told the following on Sarah’s Diner (on Facebook) but I think it bears repeating.

      The other day while walking my Beagle Lilly, I saw this older lady wearing a black face mask and Solar Shield sunglasses (those sunglasses really hide your eyes).

      I kidded her about being a robber and she laughed.

      She also said that she was going to her bank and didn’t know if they’d let her in because of the robber mask. 😆

      1. She also said that she was going to her bank and didn’t know if they’d let her in because of the robber mask.


        Cousin passed around the meme on FB “Who knew I’d go up to the bank teller and demand money wearing a mask?”

        Eh. Partly true. When getting money, generally just go to the cash machine. Teller’s typically GET the money as I use Teller’s to deposit, not withdraw.

    2. I’ve needed to renew prescriptions for our dogs, and the vets are just doing parking-lot service. Arrive, call, and somebody will bring the pills out to you. I asked, both times, “Did you ever think when you took this job that you’d be doing drug deals in the parking lot?”

  20. Are you serious about how everyone 55 or over will die in the next five years? Or is that part of the scenario?

  21. Something that I think should have been mentioned –

    In the situation described, family – including extended family – is probably going to become very important. You need people to vouch for you in a distant place? If you’ve got family there, then someone is likely to do it. That potentially moves us toward a culture in which the tribe or clan potentially moves back into the forefront of things.

  22. Most of whom have no clue what the US or the Constitution mean, by design of the lefties.
    Which is why we have to evangelize and educate. We have to provide knowledge and wisdom. We have to get the electorate to return to what we know to be true. No matter which Path Ahead we’re going to take.

    Otherwise, it’s all just whistlin’ in the wind.

  23. We thought they had a network just for this?
    I think that might be a saving grace. If the power and telecoms stay up, military communications stay up. And there should remain some coherency to things governmental. Maybe.

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