Twilight

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I’m not often baffled by the insanity of crowds, but I’m genuinely baffled by the insanity over the entire Winnie the Flu episode.

I mean, I’m used to the idea that people will smell the fear of others and be infected. I’ve seen it happen. As I’ve told you before (I think) if mom hadn’t reached into a crowd and slammed me against a wall so the panicked crowd went by, I’d have been one of the people trampled when the rushing human stampede got to the steps of the underground passage. You see, I was at a demonstration with mom.  I was 16.  We were all packed into this plaza surrounded by tall buildings (a situation that still makes the back of my neck itch, to this day) and suddenly …. I can’t explain it. Suddenly I was running with a bunch of other people running.

And though I’d heard the shots, I had no clue they’d come from above us (even though I was young, my directional hearing always sucked.)  I had no idea why I or anyone else was running.

So– I get panicking crowds. It’s not a big mystery.

And yet, this one has me baffled, because people I trust, people whose judgement I trust are evenly divided between “this was utterly necessary” and “uh, no. This makes no sense.”

Also I know a lot of people in health care (no, I’m not sure why) and most are as baffled as I am.  Because the …. event just isn’t there.  It just isn’t living up to the panic.

And while to an extent I’m not puzzled at all by the behavior of the governors, mayors, neighbors and all the petty assholes in the world, some of which are nasty because they were born that way, and some of which are nasty because they think if they crash the economy enough we’ll get instant paradise, or at least get rid of Orangemanbad, which to them means the same, there are things that still baffle me.

I swear this week is worse than last, for instance, and I’m not SURE WHY.  I mean last week people seemed to be joking about the restrictions, and my neighbors were socializing normally.  Now? The three people I met on my walk practically jumped away from me, and no doggy will be allowed to be petted, because…. because…. I don’t know?

More people are driving ALONE IN THEIR CARS wearing masks too, which makes me wonder what kind of crazy world we’re living in.

And I wonder what the F*ck is going on in people’s heads. Are they all insane? WHY?

For instance, this week I saw a report that the virus can “fly thirteen feet” and “Stay suspended in the air for hours” and my reaction was “Sure, but what’s the load and infectivity?  And “suspended” only if the wind is blowing really hard, in which case it will be blown apart and the infectivity will be really low, right?”  Though what I said aloud was “Oh, dear lord, Winnie the flu got wings.”

Then I read the thing and they say if a breeze blows when you sneeze, the virus could go 13ft.  I SWEAR I’m not making this up.

But people lap this up. Some woman yelled at me on facebook that it can fly 13 feet and stay suspended in the air.  At which point I had to point out, sure. And it probably waits mid air to infect her when she walks by.  AND worse of all, if she catches it, AND is sick enough to need hospitalization, she only has a 98% chance of surviving it.  Which considering how many people are asymptomatic OR have minor symptoms, and that deaths so far are what? 3 per million? means that her chance of dying is far far lower than her chance of dying of a traffic accident on any given month, on any given highway in the nation.

So, why are people panicking more this week? WHAT IS GOING on?

I figured part of the reason I can’t “see” it is that I don’t expose myself to the propaganda network blared out by our Main Stream Media 24/7.  Oh, that and because I have a vague understanding of science. But still too good to imagine the virus is sentient.

I mean, what the hell is going on in people’s heads when they do stuff like this?

https://kdvr.com/news/local/jeffco-911-dispatcher-finds-anonymous-note-from-nosey-neighbor-telling-her-to-stay-at-home/?fbclid=IwAR1dpo79yrW5aJLEL5Ul7ebsKLtz3269khLfkpJO--qdvkagCYsUksNbG2M
Click on the picture to see the story. (I thought I’d done this last night. I’m sorry.)

And what the holy fandango was going on in the head of the Raleigh police department when they posted a video of them arresting protestors of the #reopen North Carolina movement, and telling them that protesting wasn’t an essential right.

At some point the dime MUST have dropped, but the video won’t play.  I.e. they got a clue that posting a video of themselves violating people’s first amendment rights wasn’t a good look. …. but it took posting it first?
Look, I get not wanting to step out of line, because baby needs shoes, or whatever. BUT dear Lord, they were PROUD? They thought people would approve?
What the actual hell is wrong with them? I’m fairly sure they promised to obey the constitution.  And then on my repost of the video, some *ss clown tried to argue that obeying the constitution of the United States and the constitution of North Carolina meant obeying the governor.  Head>desk.  Don’t people know history? Aren’t they aware that “orders are orders” was not an excuse in Nazi Germany and isn’t an excuse now?  Are they incapable of the most basic reasoning?
I’m scared.  I’m scared because after years and years of people talking about this or that being Nazis, I’m starting to see how we could get there from here. I’m starting to SEE it.

And I don’t understand it.  I particularly don’t understand how people who are skeptical about everything else — EVERYTHING else — suddenly are saying that this destruction of wealth, of civic order, of basic rights, was “needed” and “rational.”

And the reasoning seems to be “if it weren’t all the countries in the world wouldn’t have done it.”

Which is the problem, see?  China did whatever they were doing, and by their very secretive nature and the stuff that leaked, scared the world in general. So when Italy went tits up, IN ONE VERY SPECIFIC LOCATION, and a) didn’t want to admit that they’d messed up by doing the whole Belt and Road Chinese insanity and b) thought they’d get money and help from Germany by exaggerating the threat c) national authorities panicked and locked up, other countries in Europe started getting scared.  And our media saw an ideal opportunity to get Orangemanbad. Because everything is.  And then the US massively over reacted, and the rest of the world went “Oh, if they’re doing it they know something.” and overreacted even more. (I know from talking to relatives in Portugal that they think both our press and our secret services are “competent.” which is laughable, I know.)

I still don’t understand WHY people are panicking more now than last week or two weeks ago, even as more and more revelations of cooked books, and more and more people, including Cuomo, admitting that cases and deaths are now going down?  WHY are they more scared now?  Even if the cases were absolutely right, this is not a d*mned patch on the flu a few years ago, and NO ONE panicked for that.

Are they now going to wear stupid face masks forever?  WHY?

And I start wondering how much of this is because people have been primed for years with story after story about post-apocalypse.  It took me some time to realize part of the things the left was doing in the oughts were because they’d grown up with stupid apocalyptic fiction in the eighties, a fad started because the left thought that Reagan would of course destroy everything.

Turns out what you grow up thinking of as the future, gets sort of planted in the back of your mind and you will either do things to bring it about or coast through similar scenarios without examining the rationality.

Which probably explains why we feel like we’re living in a re-enactment of WWII crossed with the measures taken against the flu of 1918.  All of which makes no sense for the precipitating incident.

And then my head hurts….

Normally I have a sense of what comes next, an upper and lower bound to “what is possible.”

Right now? I don’t know.  People are stuck at home, and turning on the TV for a feeling of contact with the world. And the media is feeding the panic and trying to keep them stuck at home.  It’s like what happened after 9/11, only with no good reason whatsoever.

People don’t seem to notice the bait and switch, where we were  going to be locked in until the curve flattened so we didn’t run out of respirators (which btw, don’t seem to help much) but now we’re going to be locked in until there’s a vaccine/cure? WHY?  Is it killing everyone it touches? Well, no. But we’re going to be kept locked in, because the media and the various authorities LOVE them the power.

Only the chances of there being a cure are close to zero, because that’s not how corona viruses work, and besides, WHY do they think they can keep lock down going for 18 months? WHERE IN HELL DO THEY THINK THE FOOD COMES FROM? And before you tell me that the farmers are planting, sure. But the economy is not THAT SIMPLE. It’s a bunch of interconnected things, some of them quite unfathomable to anyone outside the field. When governors, or HOAs or Police chiefs, or whoever the heck decides one of those isn’t “essential” because, why not? then suddenly there is no food making it from the fields to the table of those who need it.

I’m seeing various fields panic, including pork processing plants closing and it’s happening earlier than I expected.  I’m also seeing that small businesses are going to crash hard, leaving us at the mercy of the massive corporations which the lefties pretend to hate while in fact encouraging them for their perfect crony capitalist/fascist society. Because you can extort them.  And this makes me very, very nervous.

I’m seeing food lines this winter.  And I don’t know what that will do to us as a nation.

And meanwhile the deranged fools keep telling us no, we have to continue being locked up for our own good, and election will by by mail because it’s easier to fraud because voting is of course much more dangerous than going to the post office, or the grocery store.  Because the same virus that apparently is more dangerous at night, and grows wings and ambushes people in parks ALSO attacks in polling places, I GUESS?

And people go along with it.  Does it look better when repeated endlessly on TV?  When will they wake up? When they’ve elected the dem spokeszombie, who promises the most “progressive” administration since FDR? Or when that comes in, the third term of Obama, and the boot crushes what is left of us?

I don’t know. This evening, I look at the last rays of sun disappearing, and I fear it’s all too apt a metaphor and that next, falls the night.

change my mind

 

479 thoughts on “Twilight

  1. Cure? No. Some mighty interesting treatments, perhaps. But that’s only for the physical ailment directly caused by the virus.

    The FlightO’Sanity Storm reaction seems to be a much harder affliction to treat, let alone cure.

    1. Obviously, we need more trolling.

      /ghostdancing

      If we had a governor willing to a) declare that academics being paid by grants for research is a nonessential activity b) declare that advertisers paying media for ads is a nonessential activity, we might find that those assholes would suddenly discover a downside to fomenting panic, and would be willing to reign in their peers.

        1. I’ve seen a couple places that folks are unnerved by how calmly and normally people are taking this.

          Comes to mind that this is assumption. Couple of possible confounding factors. a) cultural differences of the loud upset, quiet upset sort. b) People who are not handling it, but believe that they have to present as calm and normal for the sake of others.

          1. Aye. I suspect there is a LOT of theater going on. How much is the ‘distancing’ really helping? Does the spraying/wiping down checkout conveyor belts, and everything else, really help? Is the calm.. just a cover for seething?

            1. This.
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              I’m feeling the underlying rumble, and am reminded of a really bad time to be herding cattle on horseback out on the range.
              There was the same feeling before the sky opened up.
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              The first week, was met with good humor.
              The next few had a “we’re all in this together” comradery.
              But now, people are starting to boil. Either pressure is going to be released in the near future, or the pot’s going to fall.
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              I’m one of the ones who was strongly in favor of the quarantine, and am living in a place that’s relatively hard hit.
              But I also said it couldn’t last much past Easter.
              Because by that point, the damage of quarantine would likely outweigh the damage of the disease. Also, by that point, people would start practicing Irish Democracy, and quarantine would fail.
              (I can’t definitively say I was right about the first part, but I’m witnessing the second with my own wee eyes.)
              But instead of folding the hand and accepting that politics is the art of the possible, the powers that be are doubling down.
              This isn’t going to end well. (At least, not without those in charge developing some humility. And some governors would clearly rather be hung from lampposts.)

              1. I’m sorry I yelled at you before. By then I was getting reports of the economic damage.
                Also, having a lot of friends in health care, I KNEW from way back that this was bullshit. The deaths aren’t just not of the size they expected. It’s worse. Respiratory viruses can’t be contained like this. Our only hope if herd immunity. Which means this kind of lockdown is counterindicated. You protect THE VULNERABLE but you let everyone else pass it around as fast as possible.
                Look https://townhall.com/columnists/marinamedvin/2020/04/15/israeli-professor-shows-virus-follows-fixed-pattern-n2566915

                On the yelling, because I still feel bad, remember I’ve been through lockdowns before. They never ended well, and the reason given is NEVER the real reason.
                PTSD is running high her. Anyway, not an excuse, but a reason.

                1. Eh, de nada.

                  On the first part, I’ve got thick skin, and taking things personally on the internet over an evolving situation about which there’s very little hard data isn’t terribly useful.
                  At that point, we’re just calling out descriptions of the elephant we’re feeling up, and our experiences.
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                  On the second, I’ve been busy enough that I never had a chance to read that comment, so as far as I’m concerned, there wasn’t much of an argument.
                  (Psych kid, panic closed treatment centers. Fun times.)
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                  I’ve got to disagree with you about quarantine’s effectiveness against respiratory diseases. It’s not perfect, but you can mitigate a lot of risk.
                  With cattle, the one that’ll keep you up nights is Brucellosis (AKA: Bang’s Disease, likely because of what you have to do if it ever gets into your herd. And no stock on that land for a minimum of 10 years afterward.) If you ever wondered why the ranchers are so insistent about quickly shooting the bison that wander out of Yellowstone, that’s why. (Transmission isn’t primarily respiratory, but like Chlamydia, it can spread that way. Because nature is a stone-cold b&$ch.)

                  1. Quarantine done correctly does work for respiratory illnesses. Test for disease, if you are positive, you stay home. Quarantine is keeping sick people away from well people. Martial law is keeping everyone inside with no rights. This isn’t a quarantine.

              2. Indeed. I don’t think that people – or the larger economy can stand this for more than another couple of weeks. And they aren’t stacking up the dead bodies from the Wuhan coronavirus plague six-deep in the morgues, nationwide, so that threat is increasingly hollow…
                And idiot governors and police departments going all Nazi on – people out in the open air, going places, and buying stuff they classify as “non-essential” FFS, have they all gone nuts?!
                Thank the Diety that I am in Texas, whose governor actually seems pretty sane. My sympathies to y’all in Michigan, although since that feckless, floundering tw*at got voted into office there…

      1. Actually, a lot of advertising is already going away. Now the media wants a federal bailout for media that has lost ads due to a media pushed panic.

          1. I was commenting about that to my parents. When I went to “check on them” aka spend Easter with them, I asked if I could have theirs because I need the newspaper-type to make paper pots for seed-starting.

      2. I’d be willing to eat a 20% tax on all “essential” workers to defray costs. Get everyone to have skin in game vs the “I can keep this up forever since govt still paying me” stupid.

        Or simply a case of all customer facing govt employees get laid off since they wont work

        1. I told a friend a few days ago that the way to kill this stupidity would be to have the GE announce that due to reduced work loads at federal agencies he was going to furlough 75% of all federal employees at SES pay level or higher, 40% of all fed employees at an FPS level of 12 or higher and 10% of all fed employees below that level. Betcha this whole thing would be done the day after that announcement…

  2. Sarah, more and more folks are beginning to ignore the various lockdown orders. Here in Tennessee, the governor extended the orders till April 30, but I’m seeing people returning to stores. Of course, many of the stores are still shutdown, but I’ve also heard of people reopening their small businesses and essentially daring anyone to stop them.

    I’m issuing a call to everyone reading this: do not stay locked in your home, afraid of the world! Go out, walk around, talk to neighbors and random passersby. You don’t need to hug them and lick their faces, but don’t treat everyone you see as pariahs. Do this at least once a week, and preferably more often. Visit as many stores as you care to, and if they refuse to let you in (curb-side pickup only, after telephone or online ordering), explain to whoever comes to the door when you try to enter that you need to examine the merchandise before buying and that you’ll find somewhere else to shop until they reopen.

    1. I’ve noticed that a lot of people in the store have reduced affects — they walk around super-serious and worried, or blankfaced.

      So I wave and smile, and make jokes, and help people, even if it has to be at a distance. And people “wake up” and smile.

      (They are very bad jokes. Somebody asked me to read the expiration dates for some meat, and I did. They asked why it was six months, and I said that was if you keep it in the freezer or very cold storage, like we do when they’re in transit; it’s about a week or less in a regular fridge. But if you unwrap it and put it in the yard, it will last about two minutes, before a dog finds it and eats it. They found this hilarious. They then speculated on whether squirrels would eat brisket.)

      (As you can see, it’s not about comedy genius. It’s about letting people laugh.)

        1. Overheard… as a fellow put his precious TP, that was finally in stock the same time he was at the store, on the belt..

          Cashier: He found the gold!
          Customer: Yes, I did.

          1. Yeah, I make it a habit to joke with any of them that I deal with. ‘Course I’m in a very small town in a very southern state and for the most part(except for the restaurants that closed because they couldn’t do take-out/drive-thru) people are carrying on while maintaining twice the usual distance between people.

            I do have a rather bad attitude over all this. At 75 I’ve seen too much .gov crap in my life(worked in the belly f the beast for 10 years – and another 30 years as a contractor) to believe anything that comes out of the mouth of a 40-year bureaucrat.

      1. Squirrels will eat anything, but their two favorites seem to be bird seed and electrical insulation.

        1. Went a-thiefing?

          Will have to have a conversation with our dog. She steals socks … usually ours, but she’d totally skip the rib rack for socks … well maybe not. Full truth, a full rib rack might be a bit much for her. She’d try dragging it, but …

      2. So I wave and smile, and make jokes, and help people, even if it has to be at a distance. And people “wake up” and smile.

        Glad you’re doing that.

        Took me until this Monday to figure out that might be part of why I wasn’t seeing a bunch of nasty, scared folks when I went out.

        Probably also that Iowa’s governor isn’t stampeding as urged by the media.

      3. Had one of these in the office today. Female, a little hunched, masked, spoke only in response to questions/comments.

    2. Last weekend I went to Home Depot and Walmart. Both seemed at least weekday busy and Walmart seemed close to Saturday busy. I suspect part of Home Depot only being weekday busy is they have the “X number of people at the story with an employee at the entrance and exit allowing one in as one leaves” (Harbor Freight was doing it as well, but seemed normal busy when I went last week).

      The places most likely to have long term troubles are blue governed places that like to do whatever daddy government says and ask for more.

      Then they’ll want the rest of us to bail their happy asses out come fall, but that’s another rant.

      1. Of course the rest of the time the blue-governed places claim that they support (via federal money) all the red-governed places. Well folks, you can’t have it both ways. If we red states are that poor, don’t you blue states come asking us for money.

      2. Not sure where in the country ye are, but my local HD is definitely under populated. The line to seek entry is also HUGE – spent at least 30 minutes or so on Saturday waiting to get in with my kids to get some stuff for the little Victory Garden (thank you, Missus Hoyt!) / backyard. At least during the week I have the option of running the pro line which cuts time in line by at least 20 minutes.

        But riddle me this:

        How does limiting people inside help anything when you’re not saturating the air with viricide, and you have a massive line on the outside waiting for 15+ minutes on average to be in for 5 minutes?

        Saxon stupidity.

        1. Same thing here. In order to ‘protect’ us from catching a cold while waiting in line at the checkouts, they made us wait in a longer line outdoors in the rain. Genius, sheer genius.

        2. Be thankful y’all aren’t in the Philippines. Some dimwit suggested that people plant urban gardens. While a nice idea, it ignores the fact that most places you can buy soil at are outside the concrete jungles of Makati, Manila, Quezon City, etc. There’s a grocery on wheels, but they sell produce and meat that is more expensive than what would be purchased by the people they’re offering it to. The mayor of the city my Mom lives in decided to further lower the amount of hours that essential stores like groceries and pharmacies are open, so there are more people bottlenecked to those hours.

          Oh, and most public transport is still verboten. So if you’re an essential worker, live kilometers away from your place of work, and don’t have a bicycle at least, you’re walking.

          The response to which was to tell these businesses, including the small shops, to pick up all their employees and house them in dormitories. Where these dorms are supposed to magically spring up, is not answered.

          The people coming up with solutions are academics, who forget that were are not Japan, or China. Or the US.

          And the majority of the financial and material aid is being given to the poorest people, not the people who make a little bit of money, or have a small pension in their old age. Think anyone who earns 2000 pesos a month at least, which isn’t enough to live on – they don’t get help.

        3. I have no idea how it is supposed to help. I’m not justifying it. I think it is health theater, especially when airliners, which are impossible to distance on, are still flying.

          So, yes, even mine is emptier than normal inside for this reason. However, total cars in the lot are what I’d expect for a busy week day on a Saturday. That tells me people are getting done with security theater.

    3. I do walk around. But that’s part of what freaked me. There are more people who are jumping out of the way then last week. And not letting their dogs come to me for pets.

  3. I think I have part of the answer. People are finally getting suspicious….but about the wrong things. Instead of, “It’s not as bad as they said it would be and they can’t admit it because then we’d lose confidence in them,” it’s “It must be REALLY, REALLY BAD and they aren’t telling us because that’s what the authorities always do in movies and TV shows.” Which is tailor-made for demagogues – and I don’t mean the President.

    1. When Trump said it was bad, the prestige press said it was good. Now that Trump is saying it’s getting good, the prestige press is saying it’s getting worse. Many people believe what the prestige press tells them

    2. The open fudging of NYC’s and other cities’ numbers is not helping. “If you die during this time period, you died of the Wu Flu” even though the individual bled out from multiple .45 rounds to the torso. For people who just follow the Big Three + CNN or MSNBC, it sounds like things are getting worse and worse by leaps. (This area is almost as bad, because 4 or 5 days of tests come back in batches, and “suddenly” there’s a jump in case numbers.)

      1. Luckily it looks like hubby has turned the corner & recognized that things have gone a little bit overboard … evolution:

        1. Get yelled at for taking mom to Costco in the car. Get yelled at for letting mom come over for minor (his words) could have waited, email help. Because she is a potential source of the virus. Guys, she’s 85. She’s been staying home since she got back from her trips before lock downs, just as this mess was ramping up. Well okay, came here, went to another daughter’s house, who is staying safe because their oldest is immune compromised because of her Lupus medications.

        2. Get yelled at for going to mom’s house. Because I could contaminate her, because I’m doing the shopping. Guys, I’m doing her shopping … We won’t discuss the conversation Monday when she had her medical panic or rather not. Well it wasn’t as much about her, but why my sisters can’t be called. Not that I responded because saying it, doesn’t take away from I get called. One is in Vancouver, not Eugene. The other one wouldn’t take it seriously enough to start. Just because ultimately it was take two aspirin and anti-motion pill, call if it gets worse, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t have had more of a response. Did mom over react? For a first ever migraine, at 85? Eh?

        Ahhhhhh

        Finally as of yesterday, mentioned traffic was much heavier even for Tuesday traffic, both in the morning & afternoon. His comment? People are fed up with the over reaction. People want to be out. People want to go back to work.

        FINALLY!

        1. I have had several migraines before, but I had to have several before I went to an emergency room for one.

          *If* you’ve had them before, and *if* nothing weird happens otherwise, then yes, wanting to go to the doctor is over-reacting. Heck, I could see how getting an aura for the first time would be enough to want a doctor’s visit.

          One time I was sitting at my computer, and my left eye vision suddenly twisted 45 degrees from normal. Trying to look at the computer gave me a headache. *And* it happened shortly after my Dad suffered a stroke. I went to the InstaCare, and they checked for stroke symptoms, and concluded it was “just” a migraine.

          Another time, many years later, I had a weird purple spot slowly grow at the bottom of my vision. It seemed to grow, and then it “popped” and drained upward to the top of my vision (kindof like smeared paint). I went to the doctor for that one, too. Apparently it wasn’t unusual.

          In any case, I would say that going to the doctor’s office for a migraine is an overreaction … if you know you have a migraine! If you don’t … isn’t it best to go, so you can rule out something more serious, such as a stroke?

          In any case, I do not like the kinds of things that have been ruled “none-essential” during this time. All medical procedures, except for plastic ones (eg ones for “cosmetic” purposes, such as making your nose just the right size, putting lips back on your face after a burn, cutting off an extra thumb*, or breaking and twisting your bones so they have the correct range of motion*, or lengthening tendons*) can probably be delayed for now. Anything that has the potential to progress into something deadly (such as nausea after surgery, or taking care of surgical wounds, or treating cancer) — why the heck aren’t these things considered essential?!?

          Gah, sorry for the rant. I guess this kind of thing hits a nerve, whether it’s family members or bureaucrats making the decisions….

          1. I have had several migraines before, but I had to have several before I went to an emergency room for one.

            *If* you’ve had them before, and *if* nothing weird happens otherwise, then yes, wanting to go to the doctor is over-reacting. Heck, I could see how getting an aura for the first time would be enough to want a doctor’s visit.

            Same here. Which is why when the doctor, after having me run a couple of simple tests, concluded she hadn’t had a stroke. I was willing to accept the migraine diagnosis.

            I’ve had them since I was a kid. They never came on when I could go into a dark place & wait them out. Never. Had the aural & dizzy effects too; a lot. I was an adult before the migraines were diagnosed as migraines. I was well over 50 before the Aural effect was diagnosed as a visual migraine. Mostly because the effect didn’t show up briefly then go away, both eyes. Hung around. Which then the strain (duh) of trying to do computer work would trigger the headache. I’ve learned a lot of biofeedback processes, over the years, to use to lesson the impact of headaches, including migraines. I swear the prolonged visual effect was a reaction of whatever triggers the headaches to the feedback techniques. I haven’t gotten any feedback techniques to deal with visual migraines other than turn off lights, lie down, close eyes, wait it out. Taking OTC meds might head off the actual physical pain migraine part, maybe. One thing that did help was retirement. Still use computer, and ebook, but stress is gone.

            What I found interesting was one day a co-worker called in sick because he had a migraine … Wait? What? You mean every time over the last X decades, when my head is being used for batting/drumming practice, I could have called in or gone home sick? Since When? Visual migraines with the aural, can’t see so couldn’t drive, so that I could understand. Flip of that is can’t go home when they occurred at work. Person wasn’t having the visual kind. I know migraines can be incapacitating, now; just that was the first time I’d heard of it being used for sick excuse. Mine have never been quite that bad. Stop me from driving, yes. Knock me off my feet, not quite.

  4. a) Lot of people get their sane from calibrating off others. News media was a hack for this even previously, but it is more of a hack when your human contacts are media, social media, and teleconference. The isolation from regular contact has had time to exacerbate the miscalibration.
    b) This can be thought of as a culture formation episode in a short period of time. Not sure how entrenched it will be.
    c) Lots of room to exploit for trolling/transgressing norms. (We were definitely previously using social pressure to increase the number identifying as LGBT. That makes it a semi-memetic infection. The transsexual suicide rate, and the ‘oh woe, society oppresses homosexuals and they kill themselves’ stuff definitely makes for a fatal disorder. Ergo, if self isolation makes sense where Winnie’s achoo is concerned, self isolation from LGBT types and objectively pro LGBT types also makes sense. (Fauci’s ID card is obvious nonsense, but self isolation using an ap on a smartphone would work. So, imagine a permanent minority of freaked out types who refuse to meet with anyone not on their ap’s safe list. Imagine that they demand the same from physical teachers.))
    d) ghost dancing/rivitilization movement.
    e) We should expect doubling down on the crazy demands for isolation as this collapses.

  5. I think it is a sense among some that “OK, the governor/city commission/county/CDC has said that we can go back to doing things once no one gets sick anymore. OMG, someone is outdoors and breathing and that might make someone else sick and we’ll be locked in forever! Staaaaahhhhhhhp them!” And thy have latched onto the worst stuff from the “experts” on TV, plus the disease-of-the-month movie/book/TV series stream in popular culture.

    Our city council has extended the “All In” [I’m tired of “cute” names, OK?] for two more weeks, at least. They want to see no new cases. And the tests are taking up to a week to go to a lab, get run, then returned. I’m getting seriously irked.

    1. A Canadian acquaintance of mine reported that her local “Karen” was posting memes, hashtags , and name-and-shame comments about staying at home. Suddenly quiet now that Trudeau’s trip to the family cabin another province has hit the news! 🙂

    2. No kidding. I’ve been through three states and multiple cities in the last month. Seen a good few people all masked up and gloved, mostly in jobs that require it (food service. I am so bloody sick of fast food) and a few otherwise, mostly the very old and oddly a few teenagers.

      Everyone I’ve talked to about it is frankly fed up and thinks whoever’s in charge needs to have *his* head checked, because we’re beyond ridiculous here and into pants-on-head stupidcrazy. This little socialist experiment is going to go over like a lead balloon come November. I am getting that feeling.

          1. My mayor is saying the same thing. I’m thinking about the tame cream one MomRed made for work, and then getting one of the death’s grin ones like the Special Forces guys used to sport for not-at-work. Fr. Pax . . . has no sense of humor about some things.

            1. Cousin posted “Who knew I’d be allowed to wear a mask up to the teller at the bank to demand money!”

          2. I ordered a Doctor’s Plague mask (bird’s head) the holes are along the sides of the beak. A little cloth a little duct tape and I’ve got a workable mask. I will have to see if it works but should let me freak out the people.
            I don’t know about the outfit, that might be a little much.

              1. When it’s done, you can push a wheelbarrow down the street hollering “Bring out yer dead!” 😀

  6. I’ve quit watching the broadcast video news entirely. I watch OANN for one or two 1hr sections one in the morning, maybe one at night as I want to know a little bit about what may be happening elsewhere in the world. I read this blog, Anthony Watt’s WattsUpWithThat blog, Neil Smith’s publication, and then, since I’m still in the “Computer Wars”, read El Reg. Watt’s blog reported on studies of HCQ on the 17th of March. They’ve had some excellent articles on the virus and pandemics.

    I still take solace in the knowledge that Texas isn’t Colorado! I’ve got a cousin in CS with whom I have zero contact, the individual is just a little too weird – I long suspected that CS had done things to the mind. Thankfully it doesn’t appear to have seriously affected you. Some of us were tweaked so much by SF at an early age – Blish, Orwell, Heinlein, Azimov, that a certain level of immunity obtained.

  7. Though what I said aloud was “Oh, dear lord, Winnie the flu got wings.”

    Well, it’s created by Reds and comes with a lot of bull and as the ad says “Red Bull gives you wings.”

    I’ll show myself out.

      1. Never had it, but the movers in ’03 loved them some Red Bull. I can’t take a drink that smells like cheap bubblegum. Don’t want to be downwind of it, either.

        1. Aye. If one must use an ‘energy drink’ there are better tasting. Heck, even though one does NOT drink Jolt for flavor, at least it’s not “cheap bubblegum.”

          It’d be good to have a drink, preferably cocktail rather than shot, that could be called ‘Minotaur’ that did NOT use Red Bull – or bullion. I’ve yet to see such, alas. And I doubt I am up to inventing it, as I’d want to be good tasting (if strong) but not overly derivative. Perhaps I need to ask Nathan Balyeat next time I manage to make contact. I suspect asking Mad Mike would result in some sort of horror or at least amazingly tasteless joke.

          1. I don’t mind the taste of RedBull, but the pricing is nuts.
            I preferred Hanson’s which was .99 a 16 oz can, then it disappeared. It came back as Monster, and a slightly less appealing taste though close enough. Coke bought it off Hanson’s Soda.

          2. Spartan Black Broth, with animal products sourced from cattle, mixed with Retsina.

            i have some thoughts in mind for a more serious attempt, but very much am not an alcohol drinker.

                    1. If I must resort to an American Macrobrew Lager, it’d be Old Style. Although a few years ago there was some news of Schlitz returning to a 1970’s or 1960’s recipe/formulation.. which was greeted as “Schlitz trying to put the ‘L’ back in the name.”

                    2. Piels, It’s a good drinking beer as Jimmy Breslin used to say.

                      Schaefer is the one beer to have when you’re having more than one.

                      When we were younger, we tried to get a game at every major league park. St. Louis used to play the Spudweiser jingle during the seventh inning stretch so we sang:

                      My beer is Rheingold the dry beer,
                      think of Rheingold whenever you buy beer,
                      it’s refreshing not sweet, it’s my extra dry treat.
                      Won’t you try extra dry Rheingold Beer.

                      Actually, Rheingold wasn’t a bad beer.

                    3. Hmm, a highschool classmate of Lithuanian extraction swore that “Schlitz” was his dad’s (1st gen) word for shit. Google translate says no, though the German translations have some interesting possibilities.

                      I don’t recall drinking it in college; Budweiser was more readily available to the underaged drinkers, and by the time it was legal, I’d stopped drinking for a while.

                      The ’70s and good commercially available beer in the US were strangers.

              1. Bang is a caffeine drink with flavoring, but no sugar or sweetener. So it would be good for you. (There are other varieties, like the Keto coffee ones, but they are more expensive.)

                Doesn’t agree with me. My body reaches for some sugar to go with the caffeine, and nothing’s there! So I have to eat a big breakfast if I drink Bang. Maybe if I drank cream with it, or ate fat.

                1. One of the test-weird-shit channels I watch recently did a comparison — two of the contestants were Mountain Dew and Bang. Bang came in #1, MD was #2. What were they winning at? The ability to dissolve the enamel off your teeth.

              2. Death Wish coffee, which comes in convenient “Death Cups” (their k-cups). Of course caffeine usually doesn’t actually help energize me, because one of the things with MS is that once your energy is used for the day (whatever energy that was for any given day) you become pretty much useless-wiped out and no energy drink will help.

              3. Bleh. I drink Monster. Because I’m addicted to the fizz. Not the caffeine, but the fizz.

              4. I have such a bad caffeine jones that if I don’t drink caffeine I start to have headaches. When that happens I take a caffeine pill (stay awake pills). I tried once to get away from caffeine then decided that it just wasn’t worth it. I like me some diet Mountain Dew.

                1. I’ve been self-medicating my ADHD with caffeine since I was maybe 9 years old. I once tried to go off it when I was sick with a cold/flu. Worst headache I’ve ever had.

                  Coke and tea are my poisons of choice. I buy Coke in the 35-can cases 5 or 6 at a time at Costco, which lasts me a couple of months.

                  1. Same here, except I go for iced tea, diet Mountain Dew (or the store brand equivalent from Kroger, diet Citrus Drop), and diet Sunkist (which unlike most orange sodas DOES have caffeine). At 79 cents a 2-liter from Kroger, I can keep caffeinated fairly cheap.

          3. From Mike, it would DEFINITELY have a strong flavor. It might be an acquired or unusual taste, but he has always had the good booze around when we have met.
            John in Indy

      2. No wings, but it did give a guy a balloon and a parachute. I will forgive them much for that.
        On second thought, he did get wings out of it. Astronaut wings.

      1. I hear the line in Praise the Load, and Pass the Ammunition.. “…and we’ll all stay free.” but due to all those commercials… I (too) often hear it as Stayfree.

        1. Since you stuck it in my head, I’ll share… (this was the first album I ever bought. Cost me 74 cents.)

          1. Left out the intro:

            “Down went the gunner,
            A bullet was his fate.
            Down went the gunner,
            And then the gunner’s mate.

            Up jumped the Sky Pilot,
            Gave the boys a look,
            And manned the gun himself,
            As he laid aside his Book,”

            “Shouting, Praise the Lord, and Pass the Ammunition!”

          1. The looks you get when you walk around humming/singing “praise the lord, and pass the ammunition” are epic.

            *cough*

            Or so I hear.

              1. I can’t find a really good version, but imagine this sung with more gusto, and slightly faster:

                Sky pilot is slang for preacher/priest/minister.

              2. I didn’t even actually say “Praise the Lord, and swing into position” part– hm.

                I didn’t realize that Fallout 76 had used the song; that explains some of the younger folks seeming to recognize it.

                1. Aaand now I’ve got Grandpa Carl’s paratrooper version of “Battle Hymn of the Republic” in my head. (“Blood on the Risers” is one title, ” “Gory, Gory, What a Helluva Way to Die” is another.)

                  *facepaw*

              3. The song is one of the early works of Frank Loesser, “who wrote the music and lyrics for the Broadway musicals Guys and Dolls and How To Succeed In Business Without Really Trying.” He is also co-creator (with his wife) of the now transgressive Christmas classic, “Baby, It’s Cold Outside”.

                HE wrote “Praise the Lord” while working as a Hollywood lyricist, where other contributions included: ” ‘Heart and Soul’ with Hoagy Carmichael and ‘I Hear Music’ with Burton Lane. … One of his notable efforts was ‘See What the Boys in the Back Room Will Have’, with music by Friedrich Hollaender and sung by Marlene Dietrich in Destry Rides Again.”

                “During World War II, he enlisted into the Army Air Force and continued to write lyrics for films and single songs. Loesser created the popular war song ‘Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition’ (1942) inspired by words of navy chaplain Howell Forgy. Loesser wrote other songs at the request of the armed forces including ‘What Do You Do in the Infantry?’ and ‘The Ballad of Rodger Young’* (1943), among others.”

                One of the major contributors to The American Songbook, Loesser has been a frequent subject for Mark Steyn’s Song of the Week columns.

                *The Ballad of Rodger Young is an American war song by Frank Loesser, written and first performed during World War II in March 1945. The ballad is an elegy for Army Private Rodger Wilton Young, who died after rushing a Japanese machine-gun nest on 31 July 1943, and is largely based on the citation for Young’s posthumous Medal of Honor.
                Oh, they’ve got no time for glory in the Infantry.
                Oh, they’ve got no use for praises loudly sung,
                But in every soldier’s heart in all the Infantry
                Shines the name, shines the name of Rodger Young.
                Shines the name — Rodger Young,
                Fought and died for the men he marched among.
                To the everlasting glory of the Infantry
                Lives the story of Private Rodger Young.

                Caught in ambush lay a company of riflemen —
                Just grenades against machine guns in the gloom —
                Caught in ambush till this one of twenty riflemen
                Volunteered, volunteered to meet his doom.
                Volunteered — Rodger Young,
                Fought and died for the men he marched among.
                In the everlasting annals of the Infantry
                Glows the last deed of Private Rodger Young.

                It was he who drew the fire of the enemy
                That a company of men might live to fight;
                And before the deadly fire of the enemy
                Stood the man, stood the man we hail tonight.
                Stood the man — Rodger Young,
                Fought and died for the men he marched among.
                Like the everlasting courage of the Infantry
                Was the last deed of Private Rodger Young.

                On the island of New Georgia in the Solomons,
                Stands a simple wooden cross alone to tell
                That beneath the silent coral of the Solomons,
                Sleeps a man, sleeps a man remembered well.
                Sleeps a man — Rodger Young,
                Fought and died for the men he marched among.
                In the everlasting spirit of the Infantry
                Breathes the spirit of Private Rodger Young.

                No, they’ve got no time for glory in the Infantry,
                No, they’ve got no use for praises loudly sung,
                But in every soldier’s heart in all the Infantry
                Shines the name, shines the name of Rodger Young.
                Shines the name — Rodger Young,
                Fought and died for the men he marched among.
                To the everlasting glory of the Infantry
                Lives the story of Private Rodger Young.

                Presumably the song is at least vaguely familiar to devotees of RAH

                1. Here’s a version less overblown and more representative of the typical performance of the song

                  Amusing to note this from the mid-Sixties, when folk singers were expected to be anti-war.

            1. Former boss was somewhat the religious type and when someone was scattering kooky religious tracts around the workplace, he had some dismissive thing to say along with ‘Praise the Lord’.. not sure how well he took my automatic “and Pass the Ammunition!” as followup.

          2. I’m always a bit disappointed if it doesn’t include the introduction:

            One of our planes was missing
            Two hours overdue
            One of our plane was missing
            With all its gallant crew.

            The radio sets were humming
            We waited for a word
            Then a voice broke through the humming
            And this is what we heard…

        1. In my youth I was wont to back up against a wall before sneezing, else I was apt to throw my back out.

          Two aisles was nothing.

  8. People were protesting the governor’s overreach in NC… which the cops in Raleigh shut down because, and I quote here “protesting is not an essential activity.” Which the cops are justifying because “Eye vahz only followik orderz!”

    Hillsborough County, Florida (Tampa, FL area), recently instituted 9 AM to 5 PM curfew. No exceptions. Not even, and this was specifically asked, dog walking. Violate curfew and you will be cited and ticketed, and possibly arrested.

    If Fecalbook is anything to go by, people in NC, Michigan, and parts of FL are rapidly approaching their Boog Point. As are folks in PA: our esteemed [*SNERK!*] governor has completely lost the support of his party, including the Teachers Unions – the very ones who bought and paid for both of his elections – and there appear to be multiple ongoing efforts to recall and/or impeach both him and his Stasi Attorney General.

    Don’t give up on us just yet. Americans have a long fuse and will put up with quite a lot. But the politicos who fancy themselves our betters seem to have forgotten that many of us will only put up with so much for so long. And once we hit that breaking point, we Hulk Out.

    1. Bingo, while I thought it wouldn’t happen until April, not March, I figured the 1919 measures research had proven would work, along with a shutdown in air travel (still not happening) were in the future. And, because mostly that meant public schools closed, restaurants and bars closed, and actual legally enforced quarantining of the infected I was “that’s reasonable…it might be more than needed, but reasonable…plus public schools closed isn’t a bad thing IMHO”.

      I think even offices that can support work from home isn’t bad, but in part I suspect businesses are taking a trial run to reducing costs.

      But this, this is insane and unsustainable.

      1. When all is done, air travel is going to be reduced, if only because they spend more time “sanitizing” planes after each use. Restaurants will return, with more space between tables and more thorough cleaning after each customer group. I think mass audience venues are going to face problems — while I like the movie theater “deluxe” seating I was already concerned about whose head had rested there before mine and doubt I will be alone in such concern post=plague.

        As the ease up the shutdown it seems clear that maintaining sanitation protocols will be essential, so I expect venues best capable of that to be in the first wave. Offices, with company distributed hand-sanitizer and greater janitorial protocols seem viable, especially if Americans accept greater use of face masks (in which case I will not be surprised if male use of eye make-up becomes normalized.)

        Arenas and auditoriums may become untenable unless some form of mass sanitizing, such as foam spray, becomes available.

        Similarly, New York’s subways seem screwed. They reportedly have ten times the ridership of the next busiest American mass transit systems and were already failing because of union demands, failure to maintain capital investment and multiple other issues.

        1. Arenas and auditoriums may become untenable unless some form of mass sanitizing, such as foam spray, becomes available.

          Local Walmart has what looks like a weed sprayer, filled with bleach water, that they’re spraying carts with.

        2. I’m thinkin’ we’ll see more privacy booths and screens between tables in restaurants, so they don’t have to reduce capacity below viability. And the soda counter will be a thing of the past. What bars can do, I dunno.

          Epidemiology study from Some Previous Plague (IIRC this was in Singapore or Hong Kong) found an airborne-transmission epidemic was stopped cold by 1) closing schools (kids being major vectors) and 2) everyone wearing masks in public (so no one spews onto anyone else). No other measures were needed, and arena-closeness was thereby rendered a non-issue.

          1. more privacy booths and partitions

            That will have the salutary effect of reducing the amount of noise in a restaurant.

            I’m all for this

        3. Arenas and auditoriums may become untenable unless some form of mass sanitizing, such as foam spray, becomes available.

          Ozone generators.

          You can’t have people in the room while their running, but that’s what some places are doing overnight after everyone’s gone home to sanitize enclosed areas.

    2. It’s almost Boston Commons O’clock. But I don’t know how many have had enough.
      Online, sites that were skeptical are now giving more credence to “MILLIONS WILL DIIIIIIIE” and driving me nuts.

    3. Hillsborough’s curfew is 9pm -> 5am (you flipped your am and pm) and they had to quickly backtrack on the dog walking. Basically anything “essential” is allowed during curfew including going to the grocery store, doctor, exercising, walking your dog, etc. The only thing they’re targeting with the curfew is people peaceably assembling to socialize because groups larger than 10 socializing of an evening have been frequent in parts of Tampa.
      Still bad, but not as bad as the initial announcement.

    4. Can’t wait for the civil rights lawsuit for that one, both private and from DOJ as Barr has already joined or filed several cases against overreach against churches. Any official who participates in such denials of fundamental rights must get jail time.

  9. “I mean, what the hell is going on in people’s heads when they do stuff like this?”

    If you stick a brown chicken in with 100 white ones, they’ll peck the brown one to death. That’s what that is.

    The veneer of civilization is THIN. One little thing can tear it. Once torn, it is hard to mend.

    Which is why I live FAR AWAY from the assholes who leave notes like that. The hateful, furtive, backstabby ones who fear the light of day but will come for you in the night. I’m not about to live down the hall from that. Y’all city people can have my share.

    The number of people who -won’t- betray you to the local Gestapo for a couple of Brownie points is small. Remember this, my good friends, and plan accordingly.

    1. That letter is horrifying to me. I live in a neighborhood where we have “watchers” (in a good way) and a couple of gossips who pass judgement on everyone else. I can’t imagine even the most passive-aggressive scold trying a stunt like that, even in the dead of night.

      1. Hell, I am a judgy sort– I just am SOMEWHAT civilized and there’s a point waaaaay before a nasty-gram like that where you try to fix the problem.

        “The kids playing outside while the schools are closed are loud”?

        So not a real problem.

        1. Indeed. If one cannot deal with the problem directly- in person- then is it really a problem? Most cases, not. I am also a particular type of person. I just tend to point that judgyness at myself first, which kind of short circuits judging other people most of the time.

          This can be a problem.

      2. “I can’t imagine even the most passive-aggressive scold trying a stunt like that, even in the dead of night.”

        You are a blessed soul if you can’t imagine that. I’ve seen that in living colour, time after time after time. Backstabbing sneaking rats.

        That’s why I live 300 yards from the nearest neighbor and would like for it to be a mile or more.

  10. Alex Berenson strikes again. For those wondering about why the homeless aren’t dying in droves. Boston, 408 homeless tested, 147 positive, only one had any symptoms and they were mild.

    One wonders why the serology testing is taking so long. Perhaps the powers that be are afraid that it’ll show they did all this for nothing.

    Report is in MEDRXIV dot org

    1. ….On the one hand, I’m glad they’re feeling okay; on the other hand, I feel like this has got to relate to the discussion Foxfier and I were having about what the heck is being counted as asymptomatic, because it’s hard for me to imagine 146 people having absolutely zero respiratory symptoms of any kind in the middle of April without being specifically selected for that.

      1. Right pollen has been pretty high here in the Boston area (when it’s not raining buckets, which is like every three days) so even normal allergies ought to show some of the symptoms (although not others like nos smell/taste). Although the “homeless” I used to see roaming about seem pretty robust. Darned annoying, not so mentally stable, but quite robust.

        1. The author is out of Mass General Hospital. so he’s not a not a known quack. He draws the obvious conclusion that temperature checking etc., won’t work because of the large asymptomatic proportion but doesn’t draw the other obvious conclusion that the disease is already widespread and thus the infection mortality rate must be correspondingly low.

          MEDRXIV dot org has Cold Spring Harbor National Lab, the British Medical Journal, and Yale in its headline. This is the establishment.

        2. Everybody I knew as a kid who ran around with bad shoes or not enough coat was never sick. Never.

          And a lot of homeless people seem pretty healthy, all things considered. Fresh air is good for you. Heck, charcoal burners were notoriously healthy, back in the day.

            1. *nod* There’s more going on there. You don’t often see the very sick ones unless you’re in the emergency services pipeline, or possibly in an area where they constantly congregate like crows. Dirty needles, infections, heck, frostbite kills off more than you might guess.

              In places where there are more “homeless services” it gets worse. For obvious reasons.

          1. You’re probably right suburbanbanshee they may get some advantage from always “roughing it” . Although I suspect if you have preexisting conditions and are homeless your life expectancy may be VERY short as our hostess suggests. There are things that suggest many of the homeless I run into are late 20s to mid 30’s, and I a nearly 60 year old obese, asthmatic, hypertensive, type 2 diabetic move faster and wheeze less than they do. And yes I’m a freaking medical nightmare, please take that up with my assorted grand sires.

            1. The homeless who smoke or camp.with certain kinds of fire, probably.

              They did a show on charcoal burning. The smoke was pretty contained in the burn structure. The sooty skin happened when they were unloading, I guess.

              1. And the guy who wears shorts all winter seems to be out every day, never slowing down. Some people just adapt better to cold than me.

                Anyhoo, most of the kids I knew who ran around barefoot and in worse shoes are making a lot more money than me and wear nicer clothes and shoes. So maybe there is serious motivation to get warmer, and I shouldn’t envy their childhood health too much….

      2. According to the tables, a higher percentage of those not having the virus had some sort of cough or a temperature over 100. Shortness of breath, 2 persons with the virus versus 1 person not. None of the statistics were even close to being significant. It did tend toward higher age and male. No racial effects.

        I agree about the pollen since I’ve been hacking and sneezing, but I also know, since I work in NYC and pass through a large rail station twice a day, that the homeless population is always rife with respiratory issues. It adds a certain je ne sais quoi to my commute.

        1. So they were maybe coughing out the virus from its hangout spot in the back of the throat, before it could get down to the lungs?

          And doctors in both Japan and Germany said that drinking moderate amounts of strong alcohol could kill the virus at the back of your throat.

          1. Perhaps. The older ones seem to have huge problems with swollen legs.

            I just think this thing is not that deadly. I think that what we’re doing is.

            1. Swollen legs is a classic issue of hypertension/congestive heart failure. Not surprising hypertension uncontrolled often leads to congestive heart failure that is generally fatal over time. Amazingly these folks are often immensely obese. I’m a big guy but these folks make me look like I’m dainty. Given obesity is a major co-morbidity for Covid-19 infection our hostess is right these folks ought to be dropping like flies so something is funky here.

              1. Has that New York city study released its information, yet? Last I saw there was only the summary.

                I’m a suspicious sort and suspect that if they give the information in terms of how many people had kung flu, obvious co-morbidity like a heart condition and were over 25BMI, the BMI isn’t going to be a very good predictor. (Especially since they added in that age was a much stronger one, but didn’t emphasize it.)

                1. 25 BMI? I’m north of that by a fair bit. The older of these folks must be pushing 50+ BMI. Of course I think BMI tends to be a bit nonsensical. Long ago I lost a lot of weight (such that you could count ribs visually and my wife said I looked like a washed fluffy dog) and my BMI was in the high 20’s. Body fat was nearly non existant but BMI said I was overweight.

                  1. The study summary I saw supporting the “being fat is a risk factor for hospitalization” said that being over-weight, as defined by BMI, was one of the two biggest predictors for being hospitalized.
                    It then mumbled on to add that being old was also big, but then went back to talking about those who were fat were more likely than heart disease, diabetes, etc.

                    1. None of the studies I’ve seen for the US have given comorbidity by age. The European study I saw showed it was age with co morbidity having little effect once age was controlled for.

                      I hate bad analysis

                    2. I think that they’re confusing obesity with the various conditions which it can cause or make worse, like hypertension, heart disease, and diabetes.

                    3. Ditto.

                      All of those cause/make worse weight gain, especially if it’s long term– so you can be technically correct in saying something like “most of the people who are hospitalized are over recommended BMI, more commonly than any other comorbidity,” and not be fibbing– old age isn’t a comorbidity, and none of the others have the raw numbers– without giving a false impression about the predictive power.

                      It would be relatively simple to check, although it’d need fairly big numbers, but you’d kill the headline grabbing finding, too.

                    4. In my case, I kept gaining weight like crazy due to an atypical form of hypothryroidism, while being lectured about my gluttony and sloth that made me gain weight. So, you know, I tend to take “you’ll die because you’re so fat” with a massive grain of salt.

                  2. BMI is fine when used for what it was designed for– sorting out those who cannot possibly be obese with a very small false negative, so you’re not checking a walking skeleton for obesity nor someone who rolls into the room for malnourishment.

                    The problem comes when folks keep using it as a diagnosis tool.

                    (My uncles sink when they hit water. I HATE the BMI, even before they simplified the formula and doubled down on using it to decide people are obese.)

                    1. Yep when I slim we used to swim in Walden pond a lot (its a state park) had to paddle like mad to stay afloat. Even in the Atlantic I sank. These days I float like a cork in fresh water…

                    2. Fat people can certainly be malnourished as that’s a matter of micronutrients as well as raw calories.

                      0:)

                    3. Quick grass starvation, in cattle. And it’s even more common in humans when it’s (re)defined to mean something like “is a little low on absolutely any nutrient.”

                      *grin*

                  3. That’s me. I routinely fooled the “guess your weight” people because I looked like 95 lbs, but was 129 lbs. DENSEST bones in the universe. Runs in the family. My brother’s hip replacement took 4 hours and, according to the doctor, “was like cutting stone.”
                    Which is how I ended up anorexic.

      3. Could be the typical homeless drug cocktail is suppressing viral load below symptom response. Also, so many street types cough and hack all the time anyway, I don’t know how you’d tell the difference.

    2. Report is in MEDRXIV dot org

      …could you put a real link please?

      Not providing sources has reasons, providing a source has reasons. But this point vaguely in the direction of a source scheme seems like the worst of both worlds.

        1. If you put in two links in a post it goes into purgatory, awaiting redemption by the direct intervention by the hand of Sarah.

          WPDE.

      1. Go to the mentioned website and search for Boston, and you should see “COVID-19 outbreak at a large homeless shelter in Boston: Implications for universal testing” as one of the top hits.

  11. “…we were going to be locked in until the curve flattened so we didn’t run out of respirators (which btw, don’t seem to help much) but now we’re going to be locked in until there’s a vaccine/cure? WHY?”

    That might be because people realized that letting everyone out, but still susceptible, would just push the peak back, wouldn’t actually stop it. It’s still incredibly stupid to violate people’s rights like this. Politicians will see how easily we were manipulated into not just giving up our rights, but going all Stasi on our neighbors as well. I fear we get Boog sooner rather than later. And to tell the truth, I’m not sure anymore that it would be all bad. I see way too many law enforcement officers completely willing to put the boot down on their neighbor’s neck. They obviously got into law enforcement for the wrong reasons.

      1. May 1st, Hell! }:-) Make it April 19th; there’s a long and storied history of Americans getting uppity and sending Redcoats packing on that particular day . . .

          1. I share a birthday with Pa Taurus! Ok, that’s seriously cool.

            Sure, it’s a good day for Things to happen, lots of history. Just watch out for feds with tear gas.

            1. Been tear gassed…it’s inconvenient, but just keep the bill pointed the right direction (and yes, use a bill, not a spear…it has a cutting edge as well but is easier to make than a halberd).

              1. Yes, but you can buy the halberd at Lowes. They call it an Ames tools “Bank Blade” 4′ handle, 18″ x 4″ hooked blade, sharp on both sides, and will cut through a 4″ tree in a single stroke.
                John in Indy

                1. Unless you’re using a Roman pilum, a spear has a cutting edge too.

                  And if your opponent gets inside your spear tip, you’ve got a quarter staff; the important thing is to forget all the SCA spear fighting rules.

                  (What I’d like to get is a jagerstock.)

                2. Right many of the medieval weapons (flail, bill and hook, scythe) started their lives as farming implements. When you gather up a bunch of infantry/cannon fodder to fulfill your requirements to your liege lord they show up with what they have and a sword is not likely to be something they’ve got as they were expensive and often prohibited.

    1. The authorities should want Boog now even less than before because widespread violence considered acceptable if done for the right reasons provides great cover for settling scores, as any good history of the Troubles or the West Bank of the Jordan will demonstrate.

      Lots of the little Eichmans have signed on to people’s lists of scores.

        1. I’ve been reliably informed by a (Blue Ridge Parkway) ranger that there are still parts of that area of the Carolinas where gummin’t officials do not venture. If required to make appearance for a ribbon cutting the ‘copter in and quickly out again.

          I like calling North Carolina home.

  12. When this insanity has run its course there will be some back-slapping and self-congratulations saying, “Whew, we dodged a bullet this time”. But, in reality, the world may have been burned by a blank.

    1. a blank like the one that got the Voyagers tv show guy?
      On a movie or tv set he said the delays were enough to make one want to shoot themselves in the head, acted like he was doing so with the 1911 9mm blank pistol he had and pulled the trigger on the bang switch. When it went BANG, it drove a chunk of his skull into his brain and deaded him in on the spot.

      1. I thought I heard of something similar to that about one of the people who on/in the 1970’s show Chico and the Man… but that is now an old, faded memory.

        1. Freddie Prinze was prone to playing Russian Roulette and was medicated for depression. He shot himself, likely intentionally, but his mom sued and got findings it was his medications that caused it, allowing them to collect on a life policy. Apparently if he “forgot” to take the meds, he was less stupid and suicidal, at least outwardly. His wife had just filed for divorce, he called around saying goodbye, and did himself in when his agent or biz manager came over.

          1. I think that Bruce Lee’s son — Brandon Lee, IIRC — similarly died of blank fire, although in his case it was wholly accidental.

      2. It’s either happened several times or one occurrence keeps morphing the story.

        What you describe sounds like what happened to an actor named Eric something or other on an 80s tv show about models using their fashion travel as cover for covert ops. Can’t recall the name. Was a big thing in the papers and the 4 tv news organizations. Happened when I was stationed in San Antonio (83 -85)

          1. IIRC Lee was an actual bullet that had gotten lodged in the barrel of a blank gun which was expelled at terminal velocity when a blank was fired. (Odd, my first draft of that read ‘verminal velocity’.)

            1. Yeah, Lee was a “squib” later forced out at speed. When filming they had the major no-no of live rounds on set, later using those rounds to pull bullets, put them into “fired” blanks to make some false rounds for filming close-ups of the revolver rotating and “Shooting” but poor habits allowed a live primer case get mixed in with the fake rounds.
              The hammer fell on the primer and forced the round into the barrel.
              Later the same gun was in scene and the blank sent the bullet downrange.

        1. That was the guy. He was gonna be the next big thing. I couldn’t remember if it was the other show, or a movie he was gonna be in that the accident occurred

  13. I’m in the middle of a rewatch of the Dark Knight Trilogy right now. Some quotes are very appropriate.

    “You know the thing about chaos: it’s fear.”

    and

    “The night is always darkest just before the dawn. And I promise you, the dawn is coming.”

  14. The strange and extensive interconnectedness is quite a thing. It’s always changing, but the spontaneous order keeps up pretty well with those kinds of logistical shifts. The senseless, all-encompassing, top-down changes seem harder.

    Let’s take this one: Trucking is still essential. Pennsylvania even let truck stops open again, IIRC. But… okay, and this is just from a net acquaintance, but… doing a long haul without being able to get out of your cab and *sit down and eat* somewhere that *isn’t* your truck is incredibly disheartening. Getting to the destination and having to go through a different safety monkey-dance (that seems to have less and less to do with safety each time) every time is disheartening. In a field he was *already* getting frustrated with for all of the insurance/shipping company/etc requirements for shiny new ways to track you at every moment even when you’re off the clock.

    Yeah, shipping is essential. How many truckers are going to keep working, anyway, without the diners, with being treated like a leper when you get there? (And this after they’ve spent the last decade screaming that truckers are all going to be out of work any day now because the trucks are going to drive themselves any day now? I mean, that’s not exactly related, but I suspect you’ve cut the available pool somewhat.)

    (This, of course, ignoring everything involved in having the truck be available, serviced, and full of product.)

    I recently read my four-year-old an adaptation of I, Pencil. I wonder if they could rewrite it to be basic enough to fit through the skulls of these would-be runners of the planned economy.

    1. Okay, let’s see if Worky WordPress will let me put this in the right place this time….

      Pennsylvania even let truck stops open again, IIRC.

      Sorta-kinda.

      Highway rest stops were indeed shut down completely for a few days when this all started, probably just long enough for someone with more than two functioning brain cells to convince Governor Derphound that no rest stops equal no trucks, and no trucks equal no food, and no food equals statewide Boogaloo). They have reopened for truck parking only… and that’s it. Literally. Just parking. The actual buildings themselves were closed (and I understand that rest stops were being “monitored” by the State Police to enforce this). There were a tiny handful portajohns set up outside the buildings so truckers could relieve themselves, though I’ve seen unconfirmed reports that these have also been closed for “health and safety reasons” to “slow the spread of COVID-19.”

        1. You can pay people to clean the johns and to clean and stock the vending machines. And you can even have the troopers to protect cleaners and rest stoppers.

          But noooooo.

            1. The thing that really frosts my cookies is that they want to have the truckers use portajohns, with no running water. Sanitizer is not a viricide, soap and hot water are. Let’s just assure that the ‘essential” drivers ( and I’ve been a trucker for over 25 years) become disease vectors, through gov’t mandate.

      1. Urinate in an old Pepsi bottle? Defecate in a bag and toss it on the highway? God, these people are morons. Even my state (Michigan) has the usual rest areas open because it’s better to have truckers and other drivers use a safe, sanitary place than force them to pull over at a convenient shrub near the road!

        1. See, you are putting at least 3 WHOLE SECONDS thought into it. Unlike the FEARLESS LEADERS.*

          * Yes, I know, FEARFUL LEADERS, but I’m not going to drop a good Rocky & Bullwinkle joke/reference for mere accuracy. }:o)

          1. The new Rocky & Bullwinkle has a scene where someone actually expresses to Fearless Leader why his plans always fail. He, of course, gets defenestrated, and Fearless Leader goes back to his ridiculous plots.

        2. This is the same idiot who a) instituted his shutdown of “non-life-sustaining businesses” with literally zero warning – initial order was issued after business hours *the day before it was set to go into effect,* b) created definitions and lists of what constitutes a “life-sustaining business” that’s so vague and contradictory that the State Supreme Court- who usually loves his statist ass – passed down an injunction forcing the delay of said implementation until he tightened up the definitions (which he really didn’t) c) issued waivers to said restrictions in such an arbitrary and capricious manner that he’s subjected himself and the state to at least two lawsuits that I know about, and d) closed down the state’s liquor stores, again with almost zero warning.

          “Moron” is doing Governor Derphound (so named because Wolves are actually intelligent) too kind of a favor.

      2. Anecdatum from the road, 3-18 to current. Truck stops, gas stations open, I30, I35, I10, I40, I81 in the Southeast. Rest areas closed. Fast food in Texas, Arkansas, Tennessee, Virginia, and North Carolina open for the most part.

        Bigger truck stops are open and lit. Food is available, but seating inside ain’t. Those with tables outside are in use, and nary a one I saw was molested by any soul. Austin is still being Austin, in other words weird. Didn’t stop in Memphis, but a solid bet is the weirdness is there too, with purple hair and mismatched shoes on. San Antonio is mostly open. HEB had a ten person limit the other day, while WalMart was packed to the gills.

        Seen very darned few cruisers out on patrol. Today was the first day I saw more than one- a good half dozen spread over about eighty miles. Perhaps Comal county is releasing their leash. One can hope.

        OTR trucking is about normal. Convoys and singletons still plying their trade on the asphalt rivers and streams. Seems to be picking up a mite this last couple of days, but that may just be regional and due to schedule. Local deliveries are still down a bit, restaurants and such still closed.

        Trucking is rarely ever a truly pleasant duty, for a lot of reasons. Adding to that load is just plain shameful. At least keep the darned showers open! One place I stopped at had them shut. Hopefully things will be turning around soon.

    2. Truckers are regulated heavily and lately they got tighter and heavier. Hours driving, hours “working” and hours “off/sleep” became hard terms where you can no longer go “I am due for a rest, but I got 15 miles to go and I am done for the day/night/weekend” but had to Stop Right Now. An inconvenience in the east-o-the-Mississippi portion of the nation, and the cause of truck parked on the shoulder in Texas, Montana etc. and often they then wanted to ticket the trucks stopped like that.
      Some of the new regs were loosened for this, but it does them little good as your stories point out.
      Also, the feds are requiring the electronic logs and tracking, as well. They were demanding the phase out a while back of paper records.

      1. Phase out is complete, for versions of the word. There are still paper copies, but you have to keep the electronic going, too- that’s what you’re paid off of. Or so I’m told. I meet a lot of truckers out on the road.

        1. Yeah, I used to listen to “Midnight Trucker’s Network” later changed to “Redeye Radio” (same hosts, but new ownership forced changes. none good) out of WBAP when this stuff was coming about.
          I also used to deal with a lot of tanker drivers coming from either Pasa Robles, CA or Bowling Green OH, and suddenly they were not getting to us at their normal times, until Texas raised the speed limit.
          The Bowling Green guys could fudge it, and once the limits went up, they had trucks that could do the 75(+) and were able to get to me, dump the load, and get back across DFW to their preferred BBQ joint and eat, then rest at the truck stop next door.

  15. If you’re wondering “why now?” I suspect the reason has to do with how the brain works. Or doesn’t. There’s some really neat stuff on how outside environments affect the brain for depression in this book.

    Lost Connections: Uncovering the Real Causes of Depression – and the Unexpected Solutions by Johann Hari.

    (Yes, I know whose endorsements are all over the covers. No, I don’t agree with all the guy’s proposed solutions. There’s still a lot of useful info to chew over in it.)

    Long story short – most of us have been confined in one way or another over a month, and that’s more than enough time for our brain to decide this is the “new normal” and start shedding neurons related to better times so that we can survive in this horrid numb depressed state. Good news is that the brain can recover from this. Bad news is it’ll take time and a lot of good feelings, sort of a neurological kick in the pants, to get out of the depressed groove.

    Worse news is that depression seems to be the primate response of “please stop beating me, I’m no threat to you.” Which, of course, means that the tinpot dictators coming out of the woodwork have every reason to keep this up.

    What we have is a situation in which all of America is being abused. I do not use that term lightly. Loss of jobs that you have no control over = financial abuse. The media constantly going on about “if we don’t do X, we’ll have bodies in the streets” = constant negativity, gaslighting. “You want the economy reopened? You want people to die?” = emotional abuse. Being shut up into your own house with people you may or may not be able to stand, not able to get the medical care, food, or other things you need freely = emotional, environmental, and physical abuse.

    This is a situation tailor-made for narcissistic abuse, with the media and the politicians, too many of whom have those tendencies in the first place, taking full advantage of it.

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/heres-one-thing-officials-can-do-to-make-lockdown-life-better-stop-being-hypocritical-tyrants/

    (If you want some horror stories check out the “raisedbynarcissists” reddit – too many people posting there are forced to shelter in place with the same people making them suicidal. Some are moving out with no job, no resources, and no place to go, because otherwise they’re going to die.)

    I’m not surprised so many people are cracking and afraid. I am angry. I’ve seen this before. I’m an Odd, after all. And I grew up in a little town that was distinctly not Odd, with parents that encouraged said town to believe I was the problem child and they could do what they liked to “correct” me. I’ve seen this before.

    I’m not afraid of the virus. I’ve never been afraid of the virus. People? Damn right.

    1. I said before, when I thought this would be worse than it has, that I was more afraid of the panic than Winnie the Flu.

      Heinlein was right, being Cassandra sucks.

      1. No kidding, man. Being right at the wrong time tends to cause localized vacuum to occur in your vicinity with distressing regularity.

    2. I’m PROFOUNDLY angry too. More or less same reasons.
      Write me a guest post. Please? It wouldn’t take much more than what you have here. Just a little fill-in.
      my two initials last name at hotmail

    3. *shudder*

      Once again, you make me give thanks that for all their very human flaws, there are Odds on both sides of my family and going back at least three generations.

      1. *Hugs* Yes. If I’d grown up with even one parent/relative who was Odd, instead of… let’s just say, superficial charm over sadistic self-interest, I wouldn’t have nearly the mess to dig out of as I do.

        Thank goodness for books. Conan saved me; both the Barbarian and Doyle.

  16. Pennsylvania even let truck stops open again, IIRC.

    Sorta-kinda.

    Highway rest stops were indeed shut down completely for a few days when this all started, probably just long enough for someone with more than two functioning brain cells to convince Governor Derphound that no rest stops equal no trucks, and no trucks equal no food, and no food equals statewide Boogaloo). They have reopened for truck parking only… and that’s it. Literally. Just parking. The actual buildings themselves were closed (and I understand that rest stops were being “monitored” by the State Police to enforce this). There were a tiny handful portajohns set up outside the buildings so truckers could relieve themselves, though I’ve seen unconfirmed reports that these have also been closed for “health and safety reasons” to “slow the spread of COVID-19.”

  17. I’m seeing a couple of things going on at once, some contradictory, some just plain odd. Many more masks being worn by customers in the grocery stores, ranging from surgical (raises hand; I have enough compromised immunity even after “the weird flu” hit me) to a layer and a half of a scarf. Very few worker bees, though one older checker wore one; OTOH, she’s in a vulnerable spot and probably checks a few of the ticky boxes herself. The mail drop place is busy as hell, both incoming and outgoing traffic. I think people are avoiding the Klamath Main Post Office.

    People are getting anxious/frustrated about the stay-at-home gubbage, especially now that Spring is trying to be more than a mark on the calendar. The order was originally supposed to end today, but Despicable Kate Brown decided that we Need To Keep Hospital Space Free. (Checks stats: as of yesterday, 1633 total cases to date, 55 dead in the entire state, and (digs deeper) 311/88 Kung Flu patients in hospital/ICU vs 2134/328 available.) But, there Will Be A Surge if we get freedom break quarantine, says DKB.

    OTOH, businesses are hurting. I’m getting groceries around 9AM, and now Kroger is doing a limit to customers–in a huge store. Medium empty at 9. A bit busier for the big independent at 8:30. Jo-Ann just changed its temporary hours to open at noon. No, I’m not staying an extra hour (needed other things) to look for something that might or might not be in stock. I was counting on the 10AM open.

    The vet/prescription dog food supplier can’t have ordinary people in there, says Kate, so I had to stand at the door, phone in my order and get my stuff (after talking face to face with the clerk to work around a backorder). Pets needing the vet are picked up and taken in, while the owner waits outside. Our border collie needs shots in June; I am *not* looking for that to continue. She has trust issues with people not Mom or Dad…

    The taqueria is down to 2 people on staff; normally 4-5, though I am getting there early. However, they did a lot of their business with JC students and tradesmen breaking from jobs and the quick business lunches. Now, no school and no place to gather.

    And Oregon isn’t as strict as others, but letting Gavin Nuisance control the Oregon economy? Arggh.

    Enough!

    1. States set the number of people per square feet in stores. Stores complied.

      Karens complained that stores seemed too busy and crowded. States and cities threatened. Corporate ‘voluntarily’ reduced numbers.

      Then the numbers get reduced more. Voluntarily, after threats.

      It is getting obnoxious.

      1. I was going out for a grocery run yesterday and I though I’d do a quick pass through Target to see if they had a consolidated paper goods area that I missed last time. As I rolled into the parking lot in front of the store I saw an odd barricade of shopping carts all the way across the front of the store between the sidewalk and the parking lot. Looking closer I saw a “line” of people standing 15 to 20 feet apart, and when one person left the store and the line advanced as the front of the line got let in.

        Now it was a nice sunny day here, well into the 70s, and standing in the sun would not have been horrible, but it all seemed a bit too Soviet for a fast check on paper good status – so I turned around and departed the lot (noticing that the big chain gym next to the Target, and the Starbucks, had put up temp cyclone fencing completely blocking off their entire section of the parking lot).

        I headed to my local slightly upscale old school grocery store where there was no line to get in, almost everything was very well stocked, most people were wearing masks but a few not, and no sense of panic or need for perestroika. As I was checking out I learned they had in fact implemented front door metering with a line outside last Saturday, but had not since.

        I did notice one masked and gloved woman standing well apart past the checkouts glaring with frowny eyebrows at the people having normal conversations and being human in the well-spaced checkout lines at at the registers – the local volunteer Karen Guard radiated her disapproval as people were CLEARLY NOT TAKING THINGS SERIOUSLY ENOUGH.

      2. Two other oddities: Both the self-serve soda dispenser and the drinks cooler are now off limits to non-employees. I guess the former can make sense, but the cooler? Eh.

        The other bit (and I can’t find anything in it in Kate’s orders) is that at least some eateries (only checked two) have both blocked access to the bathrooms. Nothing says “take a break here, sucker” quite like a locked bathroom when you’re waiting for food. Mercifully, the discount department store (Bi-Mart for the win!) has open loos; quite handy when my body isn’t quite happy with going into town just this early.

        1. “No refillable cups or mugs”… HUH?

          Getting rid of the old common cup (done in early 20th century as I understand it) made sense.
          This is NOT that. WTH?!?

            1. If you are that close to the nozzle, you are drinking from the flow and need to move away. Ick. Types she who has to stand on tip-toe to see how much pop is in the cup before it overflows.

            2. Probably the idea is that the barista has to touch the mug to refill it.
              Of course that was true before this also and meant that they had to wash their hands after every customer that had a refillable. Not that all of them did.

        1. Oddly(?) not here. The store that had been open 24 hours did switch to 5 AM – 11 PM but that was months and months ago, following Wal-mart ceasing 24 hour operation. When this started, they went to 8 AM – 8 PM for a day or two then moved opening to 7 AM to match another store’s 7-8 AM ‘elderly/expecting/at-risk’ only hour. Last week they moved closing time to 11 PM. I suspect when all this over (if it ever really will be) that the 11 PM closing will remain.

          1. Most of the time, I don’t worry about closing times. It’s the opening that’s relevant for my shopping pattern right now.

            The big independent grocery store has senior hour at 6-7AM. Considering it’s an hour’s drive to town, I’ll forgo the honor. So far, I can get what I need at the somewhat more civilized hour of 8:30AM.

            I was frustrated by Jo-Ann, because their first truncated hours ranged from 10AM to 5P, compatible with morning grocery shopping. Shifting the opening to noon means I can get groceries OR go to Jo-Anns, unless I load the cooler with ice packs, and that makes for a tight fit in the cooler. Sigh.

    2. OTOH, businesses are hurting. I’m getting groceries around 9AM, and now Kroger is doing a limit to customers–in a huge store. Medium empty at 9. A bit busier for the big independent at 8:30. Jo-Ann just changed its temporary hours to open at noon. No, I’m not staying an extra hour (needed other things) to look for something that might or might not be in stock. I was counting on the 10AM open.

      I suspect some of these reduced hours are going to stay. A lot of extended hours was “we have staff in to stock/clean/prep so might as well make sure one can ring out/take orders”. Walmart had cut back on that because what was gained wasn’t worth it (based on patterns of which stores, I suspect they found higher shrinkage than sales). 24 hour drive thru McDs were slowly not 24 hrs.

      I expect a lot of that to accelerate after this.

      1. A lot of the previous reduced hours was a reaction to reduced staffing in an active job market. Walmart and Sam’s Club specifically were moved to “block scheduling,” eliminating the night shift entirely, and messing with a lot of people’s school and childcare schedules. They also implemented harsher late and absence policies, with less tolerance for sickness. So a lot of people quit.

        At first this was seen as a savings, and then corporate started to realize that two or three people on a shift can’t run a whole store. (This actually happened in some places. Some Walmarts were being run by temp agency workers.) So only full time people were kept on block scheduling, while part time people could fill in.

        But as natural turnover ensued, and as people moved on to better-paying jobs without people being replaced, part time workers ended up making the same hours as full-time ones.

        So reduced hours actually came as something of a relief, and the closing of some departments allowed other departments to be fully staffed. Things were pretty happy for a month or so, until Karens started getting their ways further.

        1. Before the Winnie-the-flue, the Jo-Ann was running 3-4 people in the entire store, at least during the week away from holidays. The only time I was in there recently, it was a person or two more, including the door monitor (sigh). OTOH, they had a second person on the cutting tables, so that was a plus.

        2. Some might be the job market, but I first noticed the end of 24 and late hours during the Obama Administration. Maybe six years of “recovery summer” made them untenable?

    3. Pets needing the vet are picked up and taken in, while the owner waits outside. Our border collie needs shots in June; I am *not* looking for that to continue. She has trust issues with people not Mom or Dad…


      Just had one of the cats in for his annual & tri-annual shots, plus dog in for her annual & shots. Cat went in his carrier, dog on vet’s leash. They wouldn’t use dogs leash, but they took in the cat in his carrier. Did leave her harness & collar on though. Pepper (dog) was not real thrilled about this. She went along with it, but she definitely was not happy. She’s trained for strangers to be able to handle her and remove or move her to the side if I need help, accidents, etc. Part of the AKC CGC/CGCA test requirements, which Pepper has passed.

      Groomers are open now too. At least at local Petsmart. They closed long enough to do a sanitation & repainting, establish new guidelines, then reopened. New rules: 1) Appointment only. Absolutely no drop in. 2) Remove all dogs gear, they won’t touch it (for us that is collar, harness, leash). 3) use their specific leashes, cleaned between use. 4) One family in little front section for drop offs, if you don’t use the curbside drop/pickup. Bathing Pepper isn’t the problem. Clipping/grinding her nails, sanitary clip backside & feet, all are a problem; need a groomer for the latter stuff.

      1. One of our cats needs to be eased over the rainbow bridge. We’ve been letting it slide because no. Not this way.
        And for getting Greebo tested to make sure the hyperthyroidism is cured. Should have been done last month, but he has trust issues without mommy.

        1. One of our cats needs to be eased over the rainbow bridge. We’ve been letting it slide because no. Not this way.


          Agree. They need to let you be with him. Or they need to come to your home for the procedure. There are clinics that will do the latter.

          This is not making it easier on him or on all of you.

            1. No CO mobile Veterinarian, period? That’s sad. Not even for large animal practices?

              We have one locally. Not sure if there isn’t an office location associated with it or not. Haven’t used it. We’ve been going to our veterinarian office since 1985 when we moved to the area. I like the staff in general. But depending on costs I’d consider a mobile vet once Dr. J retires. Not as vested in the other vets in the office.

  18. I’m awaiting the report from friends about how the in-car protest in the state capitol goes. Our governor went crazy conspiracy-theorist yesterday against Betsy DeVos’s family and a day later flipped the other way with praise for them. She’s been hit with lawsuits from small business owners and private citizens now.

    I’m hoping for a complete and public meltdown over the protest. Micromanaging, which no doubt worked in her previous job as a county prosecutor, doesn’t work on the masses who happen to notice that you’re a loon.

    That letter! I can’t imagine the kind of lowlife who would write and deliver it. Boisterous youngsters show signs of life! Like squirrels and birds – loud by nature.

    1. I can, sadly. Someone who is in perpetual fear – who perceives noise/change as dangerous because they’re unpredictable. The sort of person who wants every day to be exactly like every other day, no surprises, no changes, everyone in their place, everyone upholding their social roles. In short, life as a component in a smoothly functioning machine.

      1. And who believes that everyone else is just like her. Thus the “all your neighbors” thing.

      2. Point of order: I crave stability and quiet in my personal life. I also realize that a system that closely couples my business to other people’s business will give me that even less than the status quo did, and than the current situation does.

        Groups of people produce noise. That propagates worse the stiffer the linkages are.

    2. I saw a report on PJMedia, though it looks like Whitless has her head firmly shoved where it don’t shine. I don’t do video, but apparently there’s a snippet where she says “you can’t do the things I’ve banned because it’s snowing.” I’ll paraphrase Anna Russell and say she has resonance where her brains ought to be.

      Condescending *and* clueless. Will she be the first governor to decorate a lamppost in the 21st century in the USA?

      1. Oh yeah, they had enough turnout to achieve gridlock long before the official time of the protest. Love it!

          1. I’ll disagree on the op-ed. No, Michiganders do *not* have to behave themselves for Whitmer to get a clue. They were peaceful, and presumably, they were big boys and girls and understand the threat (if any–at least one study shows Sweden has had the same virus behavior as more restrictive countries) to their health.

            Now, if they were out there with Karl Gustavs, that might be a different story, but no.

            1. Today’s story has Frau Whitless putting on the Mad Librarian face (the one where you can’t take any books off the shelves because it’d be messy) and saying that the protesters would be her excuse reason to make the clampdown even more onerous.

              Breitbart says there’s now a formal recall process in action for her.

              Despicable Kate Brown can hide behind Gavin Nuisance (OK, Noisome) and his demand for 100% foolproof vaccine, delivered by unicorns and administered by Bigfoot, but VP-candidate-in-audition seems to be busy sawing the limb off the tree while sitting way out on the limb. I’ve seen that cartoon before. Toons don’t bleed.

      2. I will have to remember “she has resonance where her brains ought to be.”

        Her ignorance is really appalling, considering seeds are included in welfare benefits, as well as multiple outreach programs like Detroit’s urban gardens and public libraries’ garden workshops. (Both of which are suspended.) Buying them online is not an option for a lot of people.

        I am starting seeds this week – inside – as a fun project to add some variety to my summer diet. Other people sustenance garden; if they don’t have seeds started by now, they’ll have to buy plants. The availability and price of those plants, of course, depend greatly on having nurseries and their suppliers open by May 1.

        She ought to know this.

        1. That’s taken from The Anna Russell Album, as I recall, she’s describing a singer with one or two good notes on either end of the range and not much in the middle.

          FWIW, Russell’s “Ring of Nibelungs, comic analysis” ranks as one of the best skewerings of Wagner’s work that I’ve encountered. Here’s the Tube of U version. There’s a transcript for the video impaired on markelliswalker dot net. If you’re somewhat familiar with the Ring Cycle, it’s wonderful.

  19. On the bright side, there is no entertainment like little kids calling in their questions to Catholic Answers radio shows.

    And if you want to be outnerded, this one guy has a British history podcast with 200+ episodes about Saxon England.

      1. The British History Podcast, by Jamie Jeffers. I found it through a podcast app.

        I disagree with some of his snarks, but he uses tons of primary sources and discusses his interpretations vs other interpretations.

          1. Yup. Although now my neighbors get to hear me snarl about “Double monasteries are from Ireland, and from Egypt before that! They are not a pagan Saxon survival!”

            By which you can see that he is good when he is dealing with warfare and stuff, but his broad knowledge of early Christianity is not there. But the good parts are really good, and doing so much chronologically arranged history is great.

            What is interesting about double monasteries is that, like mixed choirs, the foundations are usually mostly women or mostly men. And you can’t tell who has the power by the numbers, either. It’s who controls the funding, usually.

            Anyhow, I think a lot of Saxon English saints were driven by ambition and enthusiasm to do holy things, and the more people in a family (especially a royal family) were doing it, the more driven they were, men and women both. It’s like a holy bunch of huscarls, trying to outdo everyone.

            And then there is Bede, who is the ultimate overachieving guy from a normal family. But he was not the only one.

        1. Jamie is a friend of a friend; I’ve met him once or twice at parties.

          He’s a committed prog, but most of the time his political opinions don’t enter into the podcast.

          Which is very very good. I’m a subscriber.

          And yes, there are like 200 20-minute episodes on Saxon England. And about 100 episodes before that on everything before the Saxons. He literally started at the Ice Age pre-human occupation, and has worked forward through Neolithic, Bronze Age, Celtic, Roman, and Anglo-Saxon Britain. He’s at about 1030AD right now.

    1. One of the few joys of parochial school was when the young priest, there was always one, would come in to answer questions. We always paid a price when sister got hold of us after, but being bloodymindedly literal and watching him squirm was always fun. Good training too, for both sides.

  20. the measures taken against the flu of 1918.

    Except we’re not. At least we’re not using just the measures we knew were effective in that flu.

    If we were doing that the economy might not have gone tits up. I say might because closing schools, one of the know effectives, might have taken out a good part of the work force due to two parent families. Also, closing day cares is a logical extension of that. Yet we haven’t done that (my team lead goes to pick up his kid at day care after we’re done despite both he and his wife being at home…wtf).

    And we aren’t doing real quarantine because we aren’t testing, but just presuming cases. But even if we did half assed “tested or presumed, you are quarantined) we wouldn’t need to have extended house arrest.

    So we’re taking some of the effective measures of 1918, some of the ineffective measures of 1918, and a ton of BS they never even thought of in 1918.

        1. You mean that people living alone scared senseless by media not wanting to go to hospital deciding to assume that the headache is just that or the chest pain is just indigestion and die in their sleep from CVA or MIarent really dying of kung flu?

    1. typing at the same time.
      Yeah, I knew they were hoping to quickly reopen (the original story I read they had just closed) and were basically going at it like a worker turned up with some other disease they’d need to be concerned about and were hoping for less than a work week total time down, and expecting not any longer than a week.

      1. The Chinese apparently like pork *a lot*. I’ve read that being able to eat pork is a minor status thing over there. Makes sense that a Chinese company would buy up a pork processing plant here, particularly since our pig farms don’t have the “swine flu” issues that frequently seem to crop up over in the PRC.

        1. they also lost a lot of their stocks back in ’08-’09 when it got sick, and a few more times since I’ve read of them having to kill off a whole farm (often the farmer too was a casualty) so pork there was getting scarce and pricey. They were buying here and in Australia

          1. I remember the dead pig rivers when they just dumped them. They lost a big part of the herd again last year. There were reports that gangs were catapulting diseased carcasses into health farms to drive up,the,prices. Don’t know if it’s true, but there were pictures at the time. P

            There were reports in February (seems like years) that they had seized all the chickens and ducks to go out and eat locusts.

            China has problems beyond our imagining though we might find out unless there is some backbone grown by politicians.

              1. Pigapults? Pig trebuchets?

                I know our own Space Princess has a Carp Catapult, but methinks pigs go somewhat beyond the pale. The squealing alone!

  21. The press on the Pork plant is highly misleading. Yes, it closed, and is a massive place, but part of why it closed was to clear it and prep it for reopening ASAP, with some added measures in place, and really only a fraction of the workforce was actually sick. To get to how Smithfield was handling it I think I went through, iirc, a link at Insty, to the original article screaming PANIC, to the origin of the whole mess.

  22. I’ve been rereading Murder at the Vicarage recently, and that letter reminds me of one of the vicar’s comments about Miss Marple and her fellow spinster/widow ladies: “It’s a wonder that anyone ever gets any nourishment in this place; they must eat all their meals standing up at the window so as not to miss anything.”

    On a more serious note, it’s those people that worry me. The story about the paddle boarder arrested in California was bad, but what was really scary was the comments under the article to the effect of “People like this paddle boarder are the reason that we’re all getting sick, and if those people would just stay in their houses for two weeks, it would all be over.” When someone points out that the guy was alone in the ocean and there was no one he could have passed the virus to or gotten it from, the comment turns to, “Well, yeah, but the point is that if everyone went paddle boarding then it would be crowded enough to spread the virus, and so if everyone can’t do it, no one should.” These are the would-be tyrants and the crowds in the crab-bucket. If they can’t be happy, they want to make sure no one else is either.

      1. That’s an ex-post-facto excuse, conveniently dug up as a “See?! SEE?!!” by spinning through the loon-academic rolodex. The real reason was “RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAY!!” on the beach closures – if they let cell video get out of those Baywatch lifeguards ignoring the paddleboarder, they’d get a lot of folks going to the beach like they were before, social distancing all on their own while walking on sand. Can’t let that seed of mass disobedience sprout – gotta stomp it out.

      2. > They think that the seawater can carry the virus.

        Of course, if we could persuade them it was transmitted via Facebook, Twitter, and cable TV…

          1. That’s right, if somebody calls you from a cell phone using 5G signal protocol, you will get coronavirus and die.

            There are actually people stupid enough to believe that? I mean, I knew there were idiots out there, but, REALLY??!

            And their votes are equal to yours and mine. Maybe there should be an EEG at the polls, to check for brain activity. “Nope, flatline, you can’t vote.”
            ———————————
            My grandpa voted Republican until the day he died — but he’s been voting Democrat ever since.

          2. Maybe somebody who’s a decent artist could make that a cartoon. A voting booth, an EEG machine, and a big sign:

            YOU MUST HAVE THIS MUCH BRAIN ACTIVITY TO VOTE

        1. Well when you have raw sewage washing up on your beach, then yes sea water can CARRY the virus.

    1. so if everyone can’t do it, no one should

      Ah, the old “it’s not faaaaaaaaair!”

      I suspect that’s why most governors are doing statewide restrictions rather then county-by-county or even city-by-city.

      Because it’s not faaaaaaaair to restrict the movements of people in the county that all the diseased californians flew into and not restrict the counties that aren’t full of diseased californians.

      F*ck fair. Life is hard and then you die.

          1. They are, which is why real estate in Klamath County has gone nuts. We get the Californians who aren’t quite nutty enough to move to Ashland or Portland, though we do get people who don’t realize that local Winter lasts longer than Dec 21 to March 21. At least we were above 25F this morning; we’ve been in the teens this week.

            1. Californians who aren’t quite nutty enough to move to Ashland or Portland, though we do get people who don’t realize that local Winter lasts longer than Dec 21 to March 21.


              When those that can’t adjust to the cold weather give up, they head to the Willamette Valley. This winter the transplants have been going “what rain?” It has been cooler & blue skies. Had rain. But not the “OMG I’m tired of Rain” that even the natives scream. That is coming (I hope) we need the rain. March came in & left like a Lamb.

              Locally homes for sale are still moving fast. As in “sale pending” as soon as the sign goes up.

              1. Yeah, we are not looking forward to fire season. The only good news from the dry spring is that we won’t have the fine fuels, but the trees are stressed already. Thunderstorms will be more scary than usual this year.

      1. Fair? That would explain all the clowns and jugglers and the prize pigs.

        Where’s the deep-fried food on a stick concession? If there’s nothing deep-fried on a stick it’s no fair.

  23. The following quote from Solzhenitsyn has popped into my head far too frequently of late.
    Petty tyrants with a sliver of power over others immediately double down on their Nazi and Stasi heritage to exert unreasonable and ultimately unconstitutional control over the lives of free citizens.
    In Solzhenitsyn’s case Soviet subjects had been beaten down and stripped of effective means of defending themselves, and it was not until far too late that he realized that they still had numbers and could have very effectively struck back.
    I would point out that in this latest crisis two items seemed to be at highest demand, toilet paper and firearms. Can’t speak much to the TP phenomenon, but we have a long history of personal self defense, longer than our country has existed, and trying to limit that was the spark that actually kicked off our American Revolution. I cannot speak for all the sheep calmly obeying whatever draconian dictates are levied upon them, but I still have every faith that true American citizens still refuse to suffer bullies and petty tyrants willingly. Yes, we do have a high tolerance before we act, but to quote a famous comic book character: “please don’t make us angry, you won’t like us when we’re angry.”

    “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? […] The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!” —Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

    1. That Solzhenitsyn quote can never be repeated enough.

      I wonder if I could get it printed, with some others, on book covers to give to local high schools. Do high schools even still use book covers?

      1. Mine does, because we still use print books for some subjects, and those cannot be replaced, unless we buy used from other sources. Even used, they start at $85 for good condition and go up. The new e-book is $160/year. Oh [rude word] no, we cannot do that.

        1. I had read that fiction was just a minor blip in tradpub revenue; the real meat came from textbook contracts.

          If true, we’ll probably lose two or three of the Big 5. Or is it 4 now?

          1. We’re going to lose them all. Because the bookstores are closing…. they were already in trouble.
            And bookstores is ALL trad had going for them.Wave bye bye.

            1. They had this one other thing. A rock solid belief that it was they who in actual fact were the artists and creators. The universal narrative within the publishing industry and sold as gospel to both the authors and the ultimate consumers, the readers.
              After all it has always been the publishers along with their minions, the agents, who sought out the raw clay in the wild, and carefully brought that rough ore into their tender care and shaped and molded it into something of value. And when all their efforts failed to produce a blockbuster, well it obviously must be the fault of the raw materials as they used the same identical process as had produced countless best sellers in the past.
              But times became tough, those ungrateful wretches, the readers, had many other ways to spend their entertainment dollars, so corners had to be cut. And since trimming back on your company New York offices was simply unacceptable economies had to be made in other areas, trivial things such as advance money, competent editors, and promotions. Add in an intentionally obtuse accounting system and traditional publishers have limped along still fat dumb and happy totally ignoring the advent of e-books, print on demand, and Amazon.
              So what cannot continue shall not. Books won’t go away, whether print, electronic, or audio, but trad pub has devalued themselves to the point of near worthlessness. The virus lockdown was just the final blow.

          2. The textbook racket, you mean. I had to find a donor to help pay, ah, let’s just say a chunk of change out of pocket to get electronic books for one of my classes. The books “expire” in June, so the students can’t refer back to them. I hatessss e-textbooks, my Precious, hatesssses them. I was able to score an out-of-date print copy for my own use, but it was NOT easy.

              1. Yes. The JuCo I am loosely associated with (as loosely as possible) has several departments that were already talking about going to free, on-line books for next year. Pearson in particular has . . . pushed the bounds of civility, good taste, and rational pricing policies. (Do NOT get me started on Elsevier. You won’t like me on Elsevier.)

    2. been enjoying the gun shop stories coming out of Cali and Virginia when leftoids find out how little they like the gun laws they themselves voted in.

      1. I see that LA County found a lefty judge to keep the gun shops closed down there, and there’s a push to try to get the Gov to close gun shops statewide. That will not go over well outside the Blue Bubbles.

  24. I had been telling the wife quietly not to worry too much about the virus, but she was still freaking out somewhat, and then last Saturday on a walk I finally snapped, “I’m done worrying about this! This virus paranoia is bullcrap!

    “Half the casualties are in New York for three reasons: one, people living cheek by jowl, crammed one on top of the other; two, massive amounts of first generation third world immigrants in said city living cheek by jowl who don’t practice basic hygiene, so the fecal to oral transmission is off the scale by comparison to all other areas, and three, nursing staffs for the (literally) unwashed masses ALSO composed largely of first generation third world immigrants who barely manage to pass their nursing exams and then refuse to wear gloves or wash hands between treating patients (that was in an article written by a first-line healthcare worker from New York, posted on American Thinker last week sometime), and their stupid leftist unions keep them from getting fired for incompetency!

    “The problems in Italy are probably caused by similar amounts of the third world immigrants that the EU has been importing as fast as they possibly could for the past two decades coupled with an existing resource scarcity caused by their state-run healthcare systems!

    “This disease was created by Marxists, and it’s being SPREAD and PROLONGED by Marxist policies that we don’t have where we live, so by the simple force of having different demographics and social culture, it’s not going to spread like wildfire here.

    “Further, if this disease was half as bad as it’s purported to be, the homeless in New York and California would be having their bodies stacked in the streets like cordwood, and they’re NOT. They’re a perfect bellweather population because they constantly live in an environment that would both spread the disease quickly and also compromise their immune systems. They’re not dying in droves either.

    “The Army just dismantled its emergency 1,000 bed field hospital in Seattle without treating a single patient; the USS Comfort in New York has about 200 cases being treated in their 1,000 beds, and there’s been no word of the USS Mercy in Los Angeles being overrun either.

    “None of this is as bad as it’s cracked up to be; the only thing we have going on is that Trump is right and our supply chains shouldn’t end in China, and we should have secure borders. I’m DONE worrying about this disease.”

    Wife got quiet, but she’s seemed a lot less stressed about it since I blew up about it. Maybe I should turn up the abrasiveness on my personality more often? 😉

    1. There was reason to be afraid of the disease in February, and they were not. There is no need to be afraid of the disease now, and they are. The statistics are quite clear and we must believe because SCIENCE and MATH, but now we don’t. Funny how those things seem to be perfectly correlated with certain political interests.

      You need strong central authority to mess things up so completely.

    2. Its surprising. The family members I have fall into two camps. The side that actually deals or dealt with this garbage (3 of the 4 of us that work/ed 911 and hospitals) think Its BS. The ones going all ninny are the teachers in family. Led around like a bull by a ring

  25. Talk about unintended consequences….

    I really, really, REALLY do not think the left has thought through the implications of making it not only socially acceptable, but socially mandatory, for ordinary, law-abiding citizens to go about their lives masked.

    “I’m not locked here with you. You’re locked in here with me”

      1. He, Vimes, and Dredd are not all that different at heart.

        Kovacs died refusing to submit to Ozymandias.

        We should all hope to be as brave.

        “I am the Law” and “That is not my cow” have lessons for everyone, even at the best of times.

        Law and Order are qualities of the population, not so much the levels of force exerted on the population.

        Self knowledge, self control, impartial judgement, these are all things we improve society by personally cultivating. A population without enough of these makes all the legal formalities useless.

        Mike Hammer, Sledge Hammer, Mack Bolan, Richard Wentworth, Kent Allard, Frank Castle. Careful contemplation of all these men is rewarding.

  26. Full Boogaloo is a Bad Thing, no doubt.
    But it’s good that SOME (re)actions are happening now.
    That means the fuse is NOT that long. Maybe longer than it should be, but not overly long.
    For as said before: The longest of fuses go to the largest of charges.

    1. But, is it the slow fuse, or the quick fuse?
      ———————————
      “Ah, zat is vhat I thought. Zis ist der qvick fuse.”
      “The quick fuse?”
      AAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!

  27. As the Doors sang, “People are stranger then they are stranger.”

    You belong to a subset of the race which KNOWS we have been lied to by our political leaders and our news media, and has known this for so long that we accept nothing very little at face value. Thus are our reflexes honed to perform essential analysis of all we hear and read from those sources.

    Plague holds a particular horror for the human race, it is merciless, random and we’ve no real defense; we cannot fight it nor can we flee. It afflicts the nobility as readily as the bourgeoisie or the peasantry. It thus evokes strange panic reactions.

    Unreasoning, ritualistic responses are to be expected as these are unreasonable times. Just as a power outage provokes rioting, so does a situation like this prompt opportunistic looting of our rights by those most prone to do so.

    All we can do is take down names, keep our list, and demand retribution when the calm, as it eventually must, comes again.

    And then we’ll get them!

  28. Restaurant Depot – a big restaurant supply chain (you’re shocked to hear that, I know… 😛 ) has decided to open its stores to the general public. Should help a bit with the toilet paper and paper towel supplies issues.

    Someone I’m Facebook friends with has been hyperventilating about the Wuhan virus. Posts calling Trump a demon for wanting to reopen the economy have been common because such actions will kill us all (according to this person). In response to a post noting the absurd actions regarding church meetings in parking lots, the individual came down on the side of the local authorities. When asked why anyone present was at risk, there was silence for a few days… and then finally a post made that asked if the cars were all six feet apart.

    /boggle

    1. Holy hell. That’s a level of dumb I haven’t seen in a long time. Six feet is WAY excessive for PEOPLE outside. For cars? HOLY FUCKING HELL. Can this person breathe and walk at the same time?

    2. Trump a demon for wanting to reopen the economy have been common because such actions will kill us all

      No worry – Trump already doomed us all by ending Net Neutrality. Woo-Hoo Flu is just a merciful death stroke.

  29. I’m not so surprised by people freaking out. I think nearly everyone expected this to be MUCH bigger. There were predictions of deaths into the millions of Americans spouted all over. So people got scared. Scared people look for a solution, and Social Distancing and Self Isolation is what was suggested. Once people were isolated, the fear didn’t have an outlet. Usually people can talk to their friends, go out and see that the world is still there and everything is ok. But right now they (feel like they) can’t. So they get more scared. So they watch the news only to hear BS like “the US is the world COVID-19 Epicenter!!!” and “Death Rate in US higher than anywhere else!” Except it isn’t. Whoever did the research on that one is an idiot. Yea, the US might have a higher number of deaths, but if you look at it per-capita, we actually have a much lower rate. On top of that, if you look at deaths over time it turns out that because America (over) reacted early, the US response has actually been, by far, the most effective (as opposed to worst, which the media and the anti-Trumpers would like people to believe.) It’s all there to see, IF you know how and where to look (and aren’t too lazy). Which people in general don’t (and aren’t).

    So people are freaked out. Every day the mainstream media ratchets up the “required response” and people are buying it. And it’s GREAT for ratings, so they won’t stop. Petty Tyrants in Government are having a Hay-day with all the new powers that (they can pretend that) they now have. Before long, we’ll all be required to wear full MOPP suits and gas masks (Hope I’m exaggerating on that… I did NBC* training in the Marines. Those suits are AWFUL!)

    Anyway, people have gotten it into their heads that this is all so much worse than it really is. Once an idea like that sets in, it’s almost impossible to get rid of. So, they don’t/can’t see that the promised Apocalypse didn’t, and isn’t likely to, happen.

    * NBC: Nuclear, Biological, Chemical warfare training. Not the TV network.

    1. The US death toll is only the “highest” because the CHICOMs are lying about their numbers.

      1. And because the EU nations are population-wise much smaller than the US – you’d have to add together the populations of the top seven EU countries to get an equivalent population size to the US. If you add Germany, France, Italy, Span, Poland, Romania, and Netherlands together you get about 327 million people – and about 64K reported coronavirus deaths. In comparison to circa 28K deaths for the US.

      2. And because the fed.gov is paying extra to hospitals for Wu Flu treatment, so lots of deaths are Wu Flu even when the person died in a wreck and the remains happen to test positive.

        [deletes long rant about epidemiology, history research, and bollixed death causes]

        1. the remains happen to test positive.


          Or the patient was exposed or ‘suspected to have been exposed’. Never mind that it’s a gang punk with his head stove in by another gang punk with a lug wrench, it’s another COVID19 death because the government pays them to report it that way.

          If some doctor should fail to report it so, why, she’s been ‘exposed’ and has to be quarantined at home for two weeks.

        2. Also because the CDC has waived the testing requirement for the non-hospitalzed dead, and has demanded that Drs and Coroners assign WuFlu as cause of death if any symptoms are or may have been present.
          Oh, and never mind that Medicaid has agreed to pay 3xmote for a WuFlu death than for pneumonia.
          SPIT!! John in Indy

      3. Also because the charts showing that are being reported in absolute numbers instead of per capita to account for population size.

      4. and so are we, though the other direction. If you die of Winnie The Flu, the insurers are not the only one the hospitals get money from, The Feds cover the cost plus and it pays to have everyone die of Wuhan Sino Middle Kingdom Virus, than complications from congestive heart failure.

      5. Ch’a – you have such an antiquated and literal understanding of truth! The purpose of “numbers” is to advance the interests of the Party and the People, thus the Truth of Falsity of those numbers is defined by what best serves The State.

          1. You missed .44, 12 Ga and .50 BMG

            I wonder, could Barrett make a rifle to shoot those 30mm rounds for the GAU-8 Avenger?

            1. Yeah, they probably could, but do you really want to try and shoot that, even with a brake?

            2. I was just using a sampling from my own inventory. I could have added several others. I have a sentimental bias towards .30-06 as the M-1 Garand has been serving Socialists (National and International) for over 80 years.

              I think the answer to your question is yes. Y’all have fun with that.

    2. And yeah MOPP gear usually sucks. I did find that it kept me toasty warm during a Korean winter though.

    3. You also have a sizeable group of people who believed the Narrative, isolated, and now they’re unemployed, bills are coming in, and they’re seeing they’ve been played for fools.

      But they keep supporting the Narrative because they have an investment in it; in salesman-speak, that’s “buy-in.” Because if it’s all a nothingburger, they’ve ruined their finances and maybe their lives for nothing.

      1. That sounds like the old ‘Sea Bat’ gag in the Navy. Get a box with a few holes cut in it, pretend there’s a critter inside and when some poor sap bends down to take a look, whack him in the bum with a broom.

        He’ll be pissed, but greatly outnumbered, so to abate the embarrassment he’ll help lure in more suckers.

  30. small businesses are going to crash hard, leaving us at the mercy of the massive corporations which the lefties pretend to hate while in fact encouraging them for their perfect crony capitalist/fascist society. Because you can extort them.

    Heh. They frickin’ HATE that Jack Phillips is still defying them. Any sensibly managed big corporation would have long since decided that defending principle was harmful to the bottom line. What’s that @!#$& a**hole trying to prove, anyway? Who does he think he is, Don Quixote?

    Why Jack Phillips Matters
    The Colorado baker keeps fighting for religious liberty, and winning. His example shows that Americans can be persuaded on this issue.
    You may remember the government of Colorado’s seven-year crusade to destroy Masterpiece Cake Shop owner Jack Phillips after the baker refused to design a specialty cake for David Mullins’s and Charlie Craig’s gay-wedding ceremony in 2012 — this, before gay marriage was even legalized in Colorado or recognized by federal courts.

    After years of fiscal and personal struggles, Phillips was finally vindicated by a 2018 Supreme Court decision that found Colorado Civil Rights commissioners had displayed “a clear and impermissible hostility toward sincere religious beliefs” in their efforts to punish him for thought crimes — which was a gracious way of pointing out that some unhinged members of the commission had likened Phillips to a Nazi and segregationist simply because he wouldn’t let two bullies and the government of Colorado coerce him into designing a cake.

    Then again, the Court ruling, though widely celebrated by conservatives, only partially dealt with issue of free exercise of faith in the face of threats, leaving lower courts to determine the intentions of bureaucrats who hound religious Americans, rather than relying on the clear language of the First Amendment. Commissioners will simply avoid saying the ugly part aloud in the future. And few Americans will have the financial wherewithal to stand up to a government that can obliterate their life’s work in a few months.

    Even with this victory, Phillips was soon back in court, this time defending his decision to not to bake a special transition-themed cake in 2017. A transgendered activist named Autumn Scardina, who had allegedly also asked Phillips to make “an image of Satan smoking marijuana,” “the Church of Satan,” and “a three-tiered white cake” with a “large figure of Satan, licking a nine inch black Dildo,” lodged the complaint. Instead of going through the whole cycle again with same person, Colorado dismissed the majority of charges.

    Rather than appealing the Commission’s dismissal, Scardina filed a lawsuit seeking $100,000 in damages, fines, and attorney’s fees. A District Court heard arguments last week.

    For the sin of being one of the first Americans to stand up to this new cultural imperialism, Phillips will likely be hassled to the grave. But if you think these battles aren’t worth fighting, or you think the trajectory of the issue is impossible to alter, Phillips (and others like him) have proven critics wrong. And not merely because their stands may induce courts to uphold the right to religious liberty against the mob, but because minds can be changed. …

    1. Meanwhile, here in Dallas County (I’m in Collin County), the County Commission judge declared Hobby Lobby non-essential and shut them down.

      Michael’s was allowed to remain open. So was Jo-Ann’s. And lots of other craft stores. Only Hobby Lobby was targeted.

      Wonder why???? Couldn’t have anything to do with their success in not offering abortion type birth control….

        1. He’s dealing with Planned (No)Parenthood’s latest suit, and the people who want vote-by-mail extended to include “I’m afraid I might get sick” as a reason for absentee ballots, then expanded to “everyone vote by mail.”

        2. I haven’t seen anything else about it this week, after his county commission pulled him up short last week. So it may be over. For now. Eternal vigilance….

        1. And .. the Daughter Unit and I am sewing masks … Joanne’s is closed here, So is Hobby Lobby. All we can get for muslin fabric for them is out of our stash, or from Walmart, which has been stripped bare of everything in that line for about a week now. The Daughter Unit found some muslin fabric and paracord at the Dollar Tree … but who knows how long that will be available, once other people doing masks will figure that out…

        2. “Essential” is code phrase for “bends the knee to the dominant (ir)religious doctrine.”

          Any business which does not know its proper place in the political order cannot be considered essential. Heresy is ever nonessential.

  31. It turns out that our county has only had one death from WuFlu, because the second one was “miscategorized.” But we also have new rules against car parades.

    Anyone participating in a car parade should have their temperature take first.

    You can only have one person per car, unless maybe you live with someone, and then only that person. No families with kids, I guess. And no car parades traveling by nursing homes.

    Oh, and “shouting at someone increases the chance of spreading COVID-19.”

    Arghhhhhh.

      1. Yup. But everyone knows it is really an anti-fun ordinance. I don’t think anyone seriously believes the shouting thing.

        Although if I were a kid who needed a messy science project next year, I’d get me some long rolls of paper and some food coloring.

        1. They apparently photocopied their “guidelines” from Dayton/Montgomery County. Whose website is even more entertaining, because it turns out that at least one comic shop stayed open until April 3. (Probably because they were just shipping out orders and the lights were on.)

          Also, golf courses can stay open, but only one person per golfcart.

          If I were a golf course, I would let people freaking race those golfcarts. Golfcart Timed Rally.

        2. Ah, Greene County. I think when those tornadoes swept through and flattened Xenia they also carried away any f’ing common sense. Or maybe it is just having Yellow Springs and Antioch College in the county rotted the brains of the rest of the county.

          1. I’m trying to figure out how many time Xenia has been flattened by tornadoes. I recall hearing about it some time around 1974, and the town’s showed up since as tornado-chow.

  32. I’m maintaining outward calm through the art of Zen Weapons Cleaning . For some reason I find the M-1 Garand particularly calming.

    1. I need to go ping again. It’s been too long but I have to find a new 100yd range. Moved the week before AZ shut down.

    2. If you ever suffer from hypotension, reassembling a Ruger Mk1 .22 will raise your blood pressure quickly enough…

      [for those unfamiliar with the pistol, it’s merely a hassle now, when you can follow along with online instructions or a YouTube video. It comes apart easily, but putting it back together is like trying to solve a pistol-shaped Rubik’s Cube.]

      1. Try a Mauser Broom Handle. No pins, the parts are fitted together like a jigsaw puzzle. AND they can be put in wrong. VERY VERY GERMAN!!!

        Not Fun.

  33. Skimming through several of the Headline Collections I am emailed from a variety of newspapers I note a recurring theme: local restaurants not expected to re-open after the lock-down ends.

    This seems a fertile field for study, were any newspapers to survive this experiment: track the umber of restaurants and small businesses that either fail to re-open or do so only briefly once the “cower-at-home” orders are lifted. Compare that with the normal seasonal restaurant closures in order to put a number on the damage. A similar study of small-business bankruptcies ought prove informative.

    I suppose one could similarly examine rises in unemployment above what might be expected in the aftermath of business closings for a measure of reduced employment at those businesses which survive.

    Any other studies which Huns think might prove useful for quantifying the economic damage done?

    1. I would expect a number of small restaurants to fail – most run so close to the red/black edge that events much less severe than this can put them out of business.
      But what usually happens is that another aspiring restaurateur buys up the equipment, takes over the lease and opens their restaurant up.
      This churn may take longer than usual but it’s almost guaranteed to happen once these current restrictions are just bad memories.

      1. Guys, Pete’s Kitchen keeps reducing hours and I suspect is in deep trouble. Yes, it’s a greasy spoon in Dennver. but it’s has been there SINCE THE FORTIES.

    2. It depends on where you want to look. For restaurants, you could track national chains, especially by market segment. Denny’s is likely to recover faster than, say, Sizzler (at least the one in town is high end by our standards). Smaller chains like Perkins or Black Bear could give an idea of regional patterns.

      Travel, again by market segment. The local Motel 6 is closed for the while, and thus hurting the Black Bear diner next door. The mid-range Shilo Inn couldn’t pay its restaurant workers, and the emails from Hilton imply that business travel is even worse than it was Feb 20th. (Leisure travel that weekend was down, but not completely gone. Business travel was damned near nonexistent.)

      Beauty/Hair/Nail/Tanning salons. I expect a bunch of them (maybe not the franchises like Great Clips) to fold; the locals were under stress (a lot had been started when wood products companies cut back and/or closed, and some went under in the Summers of Recovery) and this will finish them off.

      High end groceries might not make it. We have a new Natural Grocers here. Not sure it will survive.

      The automotive industry will be, er, interesting. I think we’ll lose some more dealers or see the expanding chains reverse the expansion. We have a few RV dealers in town; I expect that to be one or two fewer (I also expect to see some of the manufacturers close down).

      Local radio/TV; Some stations might shut down. We’re already seeing TV news people appearing on multiple stations.

      1. The automotive industry will be, er, interesting


        Don’t know how sales are comparing for this time last year, but do know car sales are happening, at least at higher end used cars (Hertz/Enterprise). Nephew-in-Law is a closure / loan at local one. He’s surprised too.

        1. The Lithia dealership group already has Ford, Toyota, Chrysler and Ram franchises, and I suspect one of these will be folded back into the others.

          The Subaru and Honda dealerships are both owned by the same outfit; Subies got a new dealer building, but the new Honda building seems to be on indefinite hold.

          There are no GM dealerships in town. Thanks, Obama!

          The independent used car dealerships are pretty much gone. A bunch started with the wood-products companies folding (much like the salons), but the Obama years were too much.

          1. Locally it is Kendal – Subaru, GM/Chevy, Honda, Lexis, Acura, and Ford. Lithia has Toyota, Nessan, Chrysler, Dodge, & Jeep. Both Mazda/Kia & Hyundai/VW are owned by local independents. We’ve dealt with all of them at one time or another. They all have used vehicles. But the new gorilla on the quality used car circuit is the high mileage low year national outlet for rental fleets.

    1. Weirdly there are a bunch of Passover recipes you can adapt?
      I’m stocking a “big bin of baking” and other stuff like dried vegetables. if I could find a source of freeze dried meat for humans, I’d stop worrying. I can live on bread-ish and soup forever.
      Mind you we probably have enough for a few months now, if we ration, but I think it takes at least a year for this to shake out, supposing we open by May, so….

      1. Last I looked, freeze-dried wasn’t hard to find, it was just unreasonably expensive.

        Drying or jerking can be done at home without too much trouble, and they store well. Old-fashioned “canning” in glass jars also works.

        1. The ranch supply place had a home freeze-dryer for a moderately absurd price. ($2000 ish?) I think it’s the brand that Ron Paul was flogging.

          I suppose if you could poach hunt a lot of deer or elk, or had access to a size of beast, it might be worth it. Maybe.

  34. Gentlemen,

    We have another awesome troll that we can use on everyone freaking out about Corona virus in the wrong way.

    The release from the lab in Wuhan was caused by the push to get more women into science.

    The precautions to address this public health hazard by getting women out of medicine and science, and requiring them to remain barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen naturally follow.

    Okay, yeah, I may be a wee bit depressed, and have been struggling with losing my appetite for living. I hope everyone here realizes I am joking. I dislike feminism, but not to the point of making serious policy recommendations that if implemented would see me dead.

    And I’m neither fully persuaded that it escaped from a lab in Wuhan, nor that Fox is correctly reporting their sources, nor that their sources have clue one.

    1. … address this public health hazard by getting women out of medicine and science, and requiring them to remain barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen …

      What’s your objection to flip-flops?

    2. Bob, you’ve been reading that guy at BlazingCatFur whose answer to everything is either Nuke China or deny women the vote, haven’t you? 🙂

      1. /I/ see nuking China as answer to a lot of questions.

        I’m pissed about the ‘more women in STEM’ push, the way it is willing to cause any sort of hardship if it will help meet essentially arbitrary quotas, that we have zero real reason to believe would be the actual natural rate ‘in absence of sexism’. ‘Zero women in STEM’ is also an arbitrary quota, and is not the natural rate in absence of the ‘more women in STEM’ push.

        Yes, feminists are the best argument against women’s suffrage, but not a convincing argument. IMOAMO.

        I’m not a super fan of abortion, but there are acts not worth committing based on that belief.

        I looked at a) general effect of my sarcastic comment on society, if literally implemented b) effect on people I am close to c) how people I am close to could be hurt if I were making the comment too seriously. I said nope.

        Yeah, maybe if the story is true, China could have contributed to the screw up by additionally trying to ‘keep up with the Joneses’ on the women in STEM push, but the PRC is screwed up because it is totalitarian. That alone would have more than sufficed without taking the gender of the researcher into account. And China is like India, one of the countries whose number of female scientists is probably less wanting to be like the US, and more a tendency to pressure people to do what the state/society thinks is useful, regardless of personal taste. Sweden, etc., are supposed to have different numbers where that is concerned.

        My original take only has any value if one specifically wants to troll ‘more women in STEM’ advocates who are also being hysterical ninnies about covid precautions. For anything else, it isn’t even wrong.

        I could email you more about some of the stuff that has me irritable enough on certain topics to have posted the comment anyway, but am sure you could simply guess.

        1. Yes, feminists are the best argument against women’s suffrage, but not a convincing argument. IMOAMO.

          Agreed, especially as some of the worst ones aren’t female.

  35. The dunce of drumthwacket Phil Murphy of NJ in answer to Tucker’s question about the 1st amendment “I hadn’t thought about that.” What more need be said?

      1. On reflection I suspect that’s common. They panicked. On the other, he seems to think that NJ will be closed until at least July. That’s madness. Trouble is they’re all terrified of being blamed. They are all such mediocre people.

        Mass serology testing starts this week. At some point there will be a tipping point when someone will realize what the high infection rate means but I still hold that NJ will be last out, because moron. Tucker asked his toothyness about the low mortality compared to flu and he sort of stuttered along. They don’t know, they really don’t know. It’s appalling. I prefer my evil by design rather than by accident.

        I am now banned from TV watching when my wife is in the house. Evidently I could be heard down the block.

        1. I suspect that my governor will give yours a run for the money.
          Your wife is wise. During the 08 election I was banned from being within earshot of Obama speeches. This might have something to do with “SARAH, DON’T THROW F*CKIN SHOES AT THE F*CKING TV. Okay. Don’t do it again. Or again.”

          1. Remembering your stories about your aim, I assume that everything around the TV was getting trashed.

        2. All of these people, governors, mayors, etc, are cowards, dirty self-serving cowards with yellow livers and minds of soft wax, who vomit words and phrases meant for the soft ears of the simple and the dull, all because they fear the opprobrium of being disliked, of not being adulated for their public “service”. They are afraid of leadership, for they waver and spew emptiness and hollow platitudes.

          They shall have their reward.

          1. Don’t forget that some are not mere cowards, but are doing this to help their overlords, be it in China or in the Dem Party.

        3. That is why the Democrats wanted Trump to give the order to close. They would then be off the hook and they wanted to blame him anyway. It gets better, Trump orders things to go back to normal in a certain way. The Democrats scream bloody murder that he is killing people and they will not do it. The Republican follow the order and they are fine. The Democrat Govs resist because Orange Man Bad.

          Trump for another WIN.

  36. I’d expected for the closure of libraries to be the first thing that got to me (in my personal life — the convention circuit shutting down is hitting the business side of my life), but as it turns out, I have more than enough books to read. Instead, I’m finding I can’t wait for Goodwill to reopen.

    I’ve been following the advice of our esteemed hostess and spending a fair amount of time tidying up, trying to restore my office to order after it was completely disarrayed during the recent home repair construction project. I have a decent amount of stuff back into order, but I keep discovering that I could use one or another organizer to store various things currently in boxes and formerly piled in various places around the room. In normal times, I’d just go check several of the local Goodwill stores and snag me something that would serve my purposes. Right now that’s simply not possible, and paying full price isn’t in the budget, so it looks like a number of things will have to remain in boxes until the Goodwill stores reopen.

    At least they’ve been accepting donations throughout the enforced closure, so when they do open, they should be full of stuff. But having to wait some undefined period for them to open is just making the lack of these things worse.

    And I want to see Bulldog Liquidators reopening — that place is a treasure trove, and you never know what you’ll find on their shelves. If I’d known they’d close, I would’ve snapped up several things of interest, including a device that allows you to hook up loose hard drives and connect them to a computer via USB. (OTOH, IIRC, the computer I’m having trouble with will not boot from a USB drive, unlike newer computers, which are set up so you can install a new system from a USB stick).

  37. One of my fond hopes is that the process of this whole shamdemic “stay in place” causes enough of a shake-out of industries that really needed to be shaked out. Comic books, for instance-while I will hate losing my local comic book shop (the only one that doesn’t involve an hour’s drive for me), the comic book industry model has hidden how poorly the comic book producers have allowed themselves to release garbage products on a regular basis.

    (TL;DR version-because of how Diamond works for distribution, comic book producers don’t sell to the customer, they sell to the comic book store. The comic book store buys the comic books, and because of the nature of comic book buyers and collectors, Marvel and DC have exploited comic book stores by requiring them to buy certain comic book lines and in certain quantities to get the numbers they need to buy enough comics and alternate covers for pull lists. Since the comic book stores have to buy the comic books-and they can’t return them-the publisher can claim the “sales” numbers for how the comic book industry really is. Now, that nobody can buy anything, there are no sales to stores, and the emperor has no clothes at all and everybody can see it.)

    The aftermath is going to be interesting. It always is.

  38. Even though I expected such behavior, I was very disappointed to see those police expanding on enforcement of the N Carolina govs unconstitutional order against protesting his unconstitutional orders.
    These will be the Stasi that think that if they obey their orders without question, that their lives, pensions, homes, and families will all go on undisturbed. I think that thete will be many who will go this route, and I fear that the time will come when the sheep must be seperated from the goats.
    Another possible trend I am watching is the announced intention of the Left Coast and Northeast Coast governors to collude / conspire / work together to decide when “the States should reopen”, and whether they intend to leverage control of their ports in both imports and exports to force totalitarian / Communist structures on the rest of the nation.
    Either this, or revelation that the release was a Chinese military strategy could light a fire not easily put out.
    John in Indy

    1. Friend, I say this as someone who HOPED against hope we’d brush through this without a civil war: We’re tap dancing on a powder keg.
      And there are leftist idiots lighting the fuse.

  39. It took me some time to realize part of the things the left was doing in the oughts were because they’d grown up with stupid apocalyptic fiction in the eighties, a fad started because the left thought that Reagan would of course destroy everything.


    Post-apocalypse fiction is an old, old trope. Why, the very word comes from stories some 2,500 years old. What are War Of The Worlds and The Time Machine if not apocalypse fiction? There was a big uptick after WW2 and the atomic bomb — see Alas, Babylon, A Canticle For Leibowitz, I Am Legend, On The Beach, Day Of The Triffids, and The Chrysalids, all from the 1950’s.

    I don’t remember any great flood of post-apocalypse books in the 1980’s. Of course, I didn’t read a lot of left-wing authors.

    And, I’m with the British bloke who calls the 2000-2009 decade ‘The Naughties’. 😀
    ———————————
    “There are beings in the universe billions of years older than either of our races. Once, long ago, they walked among the stars like giants, vast and timeless. They taught the younger races, explored beyond the Rim, created great empires. But to all things, there is an end. Slowly, over a million years, the First Ones went away. Some passed beyond the stars, never to return. Some simply disappeared.”

    1. I remember a LOT of Mad Max type stories, and the Horseclans novels (which I probably should have waited until I was older to read . . . Oh well.) “Nuclear War => chaos => story” and nuclear winter, and “small group of teens survives the nuclear war and . . . ” After a while I went back to Doc Savage and John Bellaires and Anne McCaffrey and Co.

  40. I highly recommend reading:

    Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds
    by Charles MacKay

    Cows, Pigs, Wars, and Witches : The Riddles of Culture
    by Marvin Harris

    aaaannnnddd yes, not shitting you

    Mein Kampf
    by Adolph Hitler

    Because MK employs the mental and societal factors delineated in the first two into a social and political movement.

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