
So minimum wage came up on Twitter. (You know if I insist on visiting that site I probably should go on blood pressure meds.)
But anyway, when minimum wage came up, I did my standard “You can’t legislate wages any more than you can legislate the weather. The real minimum wage is always zero.”
I trust I don’t need to unpack this for the people here, but supposing I get a lot of newbies or such: You can’t legislate minimum wage, because if businesses can’t afford to pay the set “minimum wage” they go under. Or fire employees and automate. Or fire employees and hire illegals under the table. Or–
So the real minimum wage, i.e. what your work is worth, is always zero. If government regulation prices you out of the market, you will be getting zero.
I’m explaining all this because I immediately got a lunatic telling me 0 was not getting paid and therefore not a wage, and I shouldn’t confuse things with linguistic mush. (I really should go on blood pressure meds.)
But then the real crazy hit. I have a few screenshots of his comments, though not all of them. (Seriously. I couldn’t capture all of them. For one they make my head hurt. I’m mostly putting them here so you capture the ah… full flavor (bouque garni de sewage) of his brain workings. And also so you guys know I’m not making him up. Because I’m not sure I’d have believed he existed without reading him.
He was defending the fact we absolutely needed a minimum wage, and a lot of this is “tell me you never ran a lemonade stand without telling me you never ran a lemonade stand.”





Dudes and dudettes: this guy is the real deal, the hundred percent brain dead, absolutely no understanding of economics.
There is the blaming of not having children on the fact we’re not raising the minimum wage. The crazy-cakes assertion that people who would take a low wage wouldn’t make good citizens. As I said I couldn’t capture it all. Somewhere he had a “cute” one about my preferring small government and large corporations. NOTE I’d never mentioned corporations, and this is actually and for real insane, since big government and large corporations go together like syphilis and madness. Government makes it impossible for anyone but the big corporation to comply with insane regulation. AND big corporations incentivize the government to create more regulations to eliminate competition.
He also told me that all western economies regulate minimum age as if that were a defense to lack of minimum wage causes infertility. I mean, talk about lack of mental connection.
AND he accused me of wanting everyone to be self employed or in a corporation. I don’t even know where he got that or what that means. Other than the voices in his head.
And don’t even ask me what the heck he means in that first one by my appreciating hierarchy. I THINK he means some kind of class system? Probably? Later on he went on about genetics and people being born to money. Most of it so incoherent I had no clue what he was implying. So I stopped engaging because the alternative was calling him and asshole moron over and over again.
And I’d already done that.
The point is that he was arguing from some unexamined assumptions in his head that dictated stuff like ‘smaller government means bigger corporations.’ Or ‘People aren’t having kids because they’re poor’ not because taxes are too high and the rules around keeping small kids in a house insane. And I couldn’t pierce his certainties, to the point he was actually arguing with what he thought I’d said and meant, not with anything I’d typed.
Part of the truly lunatic stuff was his telling me he was no commie, then telling me the poor and working class are somehow responsible for all the crime, because apparently poverty causes crime. Marx would love him.
But at the base of it was a complete lack of understanding of why employers pay wages and what sets the level of pay.
He seemed to assume that we were in a basic communist system where you were offered make work. at some pre-set pay, and therefore we had to accept it. Or something.
He failed to get that employers hire people not to be charitable but because they need some work done. And that work is worth some amount of money.
Take my business. For a long time, it’s been stuck at a certain level, unless I can pay contractors to do things. I’d love to have my assistant work for me full time, and I PROBABLY (with difficulty the first year) could pay her a very low salary which would nonetheless, since she works remote, be a great addition to her family income. What I can’t afford is the paperwork, regulation, and mandatory contributions that go with it.
But let’s suppose that you’re hired to flip burgers or check out people in the supermarket. And this is worth oh, $10 or so to the people hiring you. Why would you think that arbitrarily telling people to pay employees $20 would work?
People are likely already paying the highest they can, because that gets them the best labor they can get. (Particularly in a relatively tight labor market, which we have if you don’t count illegals.) So, if they’re not paying $20 dollars an hour it’s because it’s not feasible for their business right now.
You force them to pay that, and workers will get replaced with robots, companies will close, companies will fire legitimate workers and hire illegals, etc. etc. etc.
One of the things it will do is make it much harder to get that first, all important job and thereby worsen youth unemployment which is already bad enough. Or products will become so expensive that people can’t afford them.
When raving idiot went on about how if you pay the workers too little they can’t afford to buy things, he forgot if the employers have to pay too much for employees, then the product will be more expensive.
I swear these people think that employers are out to “exploit” the workers, just for funsie. Judging by his excursion into rage-envy of inherited money I’m going to assume he really thinks it’s two separate classes and no one who is rich ever had to get a job, or work up to a better job. This is by the way not only NOT the norm in the US but so far from the norm it’s ridiculous.
He also had a moment of rage about how if we don’t raise minimum wage it all goes to the 1%. As I said, I can’t actually discuss economics with someone referring to his home universe where the sky is made of green cheese.
What I can say is that you can’t regulate the price and wages. Or rather, you can, but all you’re creating is unemployment, government dependence and a black market.
The problem is not this lone crazy on twitter though. The problem is that years ago I looked at my kids’ economics text books.
They were all about “given that all these workers are equally qualified, would you hire the divorced mother, the handicapped worker, or this minority.”
And that’s wrong. It’s utterly and completely wrong, in the same way this man is wrong. It’s approaching business as a sort of social responsibility. “I’ll pay x because it’s good for society.” It ignores that businesses have to make a profit, to pay for labor and more products, and make it worth the owner’s spending money on things.
I mean businesses are in business to make money, which then allows the owner to take the money and invest it in other businesses to make more money.
This incidentally employs more people and gives people more products to buy. All without the benevolent hand of government planners. And yes, sure, minorities and divorced mothers, and all that should be able to work. But again, to be honest, while there will be bigoted employers, the successful ones won’t care about the employee’s personal life, unless it relates to the business. Instead, they will get the best employee they can for the best price they can. Because that’s how they make money, so they can invest it in more businesses.
I was assured by mental guy on twitter that my liberal (I think he means libertarian) theories of economics don’t work. But I wasn’t expounding any theories. I was simply explaining that economics is a science and things you do have consequences.
Sure, we all wish everyone could make a lot of money, but I don’t think legislating that you pay people a lot of money just because is how you get there. Mostly, what you’ll do is create a society in which few people work legally and those few have to pay for a massive number of welfare cases.
It’s time to respect economics as a science. You cannot legislate price and wages anymore than you can negotiate the weather. Which, of course, the crazy leftists also would like to do.
Thing is that wishcasting always loses to reality. Reality always wins, regardless.
And economics is very much reality.





























































































































