I don’t Believe In Aliens

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(A Blast from the Past: https://accordingtohoyt.com/2022/10/31/i-dont-believe-in-aliens/)

I don’t believe in aliens but I profoundly dislike Woo Woo. And Aliens at least aren’t woo woo. Or they weren’t. It could be argued that when everyone on the left started running around talking about UFOs being some kind of psychic phenomenon, (circa early seventies) it was a sign of true cultural rot or perhaps a sign that my (tongue in cheek, I think. I THINK) theory below is true, of course.

I don’t know how many of you remember this, but UFOs and aliens didn’t use to be in the same category of belief as elves, fairies, ghosts, weird spirit messages and the thing called “Earth changes” that has sneaked back in under the scientifist guise of “Global Warming” on the left.

UFOs were a sign of something physical out there. Of possibly more scientifically advanced but not supernatural aliens. Maybe very bad aliens. (Looks at Puppet Masters.)

And then it changed and became part of the new age circus. Which is when I gave up on it, though I always had trouble believing in aliens, which is why they don’t exist in my fiction, even when they seem to. (More on that later.)

Yesterday in a group, a friend said what is obvious about the left is that they seriously oppose human reproduction and longevity. Ultimately human life, I guess.

Here’s the list as to why:

NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST:

1) Pushing to maximize abortion

2) Pushing to maximize homosexuality

3) Multiple different initiatives to make child rearing more difficult and expensive including a) Ramping up the intensity of social services scrutiny, effectively necessitating high intensity “helicopter parenting” b) Turning schools into indoctrination factories that don’t prepare children to function independently but do prepare them to have constant fights with their parents over their indoctrination c) Making healthcare more expensive through constantly ramping regulation, making the actual having of children more difficult and prohibitively expensive d) Pushing to nationalize healthcare, granting them further power over who lives or dies– allowing limitation of IVF, and also e) legitimizing legal euthanasia while also pushing to make healthcare decisions for the public (see Canada right now)

4) Pushing from other regulatory angles to make the de-facto standard a two-income family, ensuring children are raised in daycares and further pushing family budgets to the brink

5) Using the student loan system to turn the bulk of reproductive age, upwardly mobile people into collateral in a deal that passes billions of dollars directly from the US government to the same system that then indoctrinates those kids to the point of full societal dysfunction; encouraging, as much as possible, the use of sex as entertainment ONLY

6) Turning sterilizing yourself into the hot new fad for kids

7) Turning the simple identification of gender into a minefield so that even sex between people who aren’t mutilating themselves is suddenly difficult to even consider

8)Willfully manipulating nursing homes into putting elderly people in a position where they are MOST LIKELY to die during COVID

9) Adopting COVID policies which foreseeably shut down cancer diagnostics and treatment for almost two years, which is the most likely cause of the 10 fold increase in the rate of cancers since the COVID lockdowns (although I can’t entirely discount that the vaccines themselves are partially responsible because, sing it with me now, you can’t ensure the long term safety of something that hasn’t been around long enough to have long term safety data, which is why we do clinical trials and not mass experiments on the general public. I note in passing that the drug companies are so trustworthy they demanded legal indemnity as a condition of participating, while swearing blind that the product was safe and effective even though it was physically fucking impossible for them to have data to back that up due to minor problems like the requisite quantity of time not passing.)

And then this:

Whether they intend this to be a coordinated effort or passively want us gone, at some point you realize

The Democratic party? They’re the aliens in Independence Day.

Because I don’t like Woo Woo, I jumped off from this to aliens:

If the hypothesis that appeared in a lot of pulp age SF that humans were “the old ones” of the Galaxy (or the universe) who lost a war, and whose remnants were sent to Earth in exile, and whose “leaders” are being manipulated by “aliens” to keep them from achieving high tech, specifically space travel again, what would be different?

Space travel?

Well….

1- Shortly after the moon landing, there was a concerted effort by the left to confuse, thwart and obfuscate all attempts at space travel.

2- the talk of UFOs and possible space travel was corrupted by an entire slew of “sightings” and ideas that made UFOs and aliens into a supernatural, woo woo phenomenology fit only for New Age circles.

3- NASA might have gone the way of all government agencies, so natural, but–

4- Every democrat president is intent on crippling our ability to travel in space further, and discredit the very idea we SHOULD aim for it or attempt it.

5- Even space opera with or without minimally believable science, which — if nothing else — kept the idea we can eventually travel to and colonize the stars was shut down hard, in favor of fantasy and HARD science fiction. (I have nothing, absolutely nothing about hard science fiction, but with very few exceptions, it is only exciting to people who know enough science to understand what’s being done. It’s not how you popularize the idea of space colonization.) And the old masters who were pro-space were discredited and attacked. Even Baen who kept space travel fic alive, kind of, ended up in the narrow mil-sf sub-field most of the time. The rest became one of those self-fulfilling prophecies of trad pub: Space opera doesn’t sell, so we won’t publish any, and what we publish we won’t promote, so it doesn’t sell, so space opera doesn’t sell, so we– last verse, same as the first.
Note trad pub did this even though space opera movies continued to do exceedingly well, even arrantly stupid ones.

6- our capacity to generate enough energy to allow for even thinking of space travel is under systematic attack, which

a) feeds into depopulation, or will this winter, but also

b) inexplicably nuclear is included in this and attacked twice as hard, which of course is at war with us going to space, interstellar travel and eventually FTL (yes, it’s “impossible.” Our species has an history of doing the impossible on the regular. It’s just incremental steps, which are being thwarted by cutting us off at the ankles.)

That second list is also not exhaustive and I’m sure other people can contribute more instances of “this just doesn’t make sense, unless….”

Now I said I don’t believe in aliens and I don’t. I mean, base level fundamental, either aliens are utterly incomprehensible to us, or we wouldn’t realize they’re sentient. I THINK. But at the same time, if our species is much, much older, the aliens could be us.

Maybe there’s a universe of space commies, and we’re the space Americans who’ve lost the battle but not the (final war.)

Look, no, I don’t believe in any of this. This is the process I go through to create universes. I go through the evidence, see if it’s coherent, etc.

But if this were true what would be different?

And mostly I say “aliens” because I don’t like woo woo.

On the other hand, if it’s aliens I can’t do anything about it. If however it’s activity by a well-dressed gentleman of wealth and taste whose expensive perfume can never fully disguise an underlying whiff of brimstone.

…. Well, I can pray.

Even if it’s the equivalent of looking for the car keys under the street light and doesn’t make much sense.

Anyway — I don’t believe in any of this. I think. But it was worth laying out to think on.

Cui bono in all these things? Cui bono?

51 thoughts on “I don’t Believe In Aliens”

  1. I wanted to believe in UFOs until the government said they were real.  Now I wonder what else they’re hiding.

    I do believe in aliens.  I live in Texas.  Some mow my lawn.  Others had temporary work visas and had been in the USA for 15+ years.

    I don’t think any species, or even other humans, who developed FTL space flight would be willing to visit us.

    Unless they were as stupid as we are.

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    1. I used to think aliens was what happened to otherwise normal adults that went to Washington and turned into turnips and potatoes and other assorted vegetable-adjacent things.

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  2. Cui bono asks “Who profits?” But the better question might be “Whose sense of morality and fitness is satisfied?” or “Whose goals are advanced?” . For the latter question, if we assume that there is an intelligence driving this, then we might ask “Who (or what) hates humanity enough to destroy it, to destroy morals, happiness, and life?”

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  3. They’re the Ethereals from X-Com. Even down to the ADVENT Coalition propaganda. (No wait, ADVENT sounds more honest than the progs.)

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  4. I do believe that aliens exist. I also believe God wouldn’t invent a universe and not give us someone else to play with when we grow up. That’s the big thing, Grow up, we ain’t grown ups yet.
    1. They will have nothing in common with us, they’re aliens.
    2. The Aliens may check on us occasionally to see where we are at for self protection, no beings want feral humans running around the universe.
    3. If they can travel between the stars they aren’t worried about us until we can, unless they run into some other species that scares them more than feral humans.
    4. You have to earn your place at the table, we haven’t.
    5. All they have to do is drop rocks on us, don’t need to invade, don’t need to conquer us, one rock like the one 65 million years ago will do the job without losing a single alien.
    It really is that simple.

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    1. Serious question. Very serious.

      Why wouldn’t God create one, and only one, race in His image and likeness?

      We have all the inhabitants of earth to befriend.

      I mean…cats, dogs…horses…for instance.

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        1. I don’t think it’s a lack of Gods ability but the limitations of mankind. We just ain’t that smart yet, may never be. That doesn’t me we should give up trying, just that we should know some questions require faith, not logic.

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        2. Well, there was a lot of thinking after Columbus. After all, those bipeds over there — we and they looked very much alike. And acted very much alike. BUT — did they come from the same origin as us?

          After the Pope met two Zuni who convinced him of the sincerity of their conversions, he issued a Papal Bull redefining human as a being capable of being converted to Christianity.

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      2. Their is some thought that our pets are becoming more intelligent as they hang around us more. Ala shades of Brin’s Uplift sagas? I have no doubt their desire’s for more tuna and beef jerky could motivate them to more capabilities. But what really is a dog going to say, but, “Can you throw the ball, is there any jerky? You don’t love me anymore because you don’t give me tuna everyday”.
        The problem with humans is we tend to view everything with a human mind, and tend to see things as we want to see them and give human characteristics when none are there. Anthropomorphism I believe it’s called.

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  5. I ID’d the left as a death cult a long time ago. Makes analysis easy. Gnostic hatred of the body and all that goes with that up to and including human sacrifice. According to their own people, abortion is their “sacrament” after all.

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    1. I’d say they the left were gnostics, except for the fact that a classic Gnostic divides the world into a dichotomy of spiritual and physical with Spiritual being “good” and Physical being bad/evil. They don’t seem to have that separation per se as they often deny the spiritual. Rather, their view of perfection almost seems to be a world without human intervention or with humans reduced to a “natural” state, i.e. the noble savage that that idiot Rousseau (don’t kill Hitler, kill Rousseau!) and others gave us. Their love of pleasure almost makes them more like an Epicurean gone very bad with bits of Marquis de Sade thrown in. They are a group that can only exist when plenty is so present that you can have folks who sit around metaphorically gazing at their navels without starving to death. Prior to the industrial revolution this was a rare state attained by only a few rare idiots. However, with the industrial revolution (and its expansions via other technologies) it feels like 1/3 to 1/2 of the population can afford to do this stupid thing if allowed. It would normally be self-correcting due to the FAFO loop (kind of like an OODA loop but driven by the Gods of The Copybook Headings), but we seem to be stretching the time between FA and FO greatly and even mitigating FO in many cases and without the rapid (and often fatal) feedback of the FO step the production of low-grade idiots seems to persist. And the low-grade idiots seem to become the useful idiots that the power hungry can use to drive the herd.

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  6. I don’t believe star-traveling aliens would do the stupid shit that’s been attributed to them. Such as performing perverted experiments on folks selected exclusively from the shallow end of the gene pool, or joyriding around where they’d be picked up on our primitive radar and video equipment. Anything we can detect is not an interstellar spacecraft.

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    1. I think it was Niven or Pournelle who once speculated that if they exist they might be the equivalent of college kids making pranks.

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      1. Douglas Adams had Ford tell Arthur about alien adolescents “buzzing” Earth: landing at remote places in front of people nobody else would ever believe, walking around making “beep beep” noises, all for kicks and grins.

        I don’t believe this myself. Adolescents of any “intelligent” species would have cracked up a lot more spaceships than all the “Area 51”-type stories in the world can account for.

        Republica restituendae.

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    2. Oh, now THAT is a thought. What if the sampling and evaluation of human beings is deliberately “from the shallow end of the gene pool”? That we aren’t ready for contact until even the least able of us have advanced far enough? We may have a VERY long wait.

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  7. It’s one of three:

    Either we’re the First Ones, or it’s the quiet jungle out there and we’ve been hooting at the top of our lungs for a century now and the only thing saving us is physics, or we’re stuck in this nature preserve with only the game warden bots and the poachers they chase for company until we can crawl out of the civilizational cradle.

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      1. I personally favor the odds of us being the Latest First Ones, kinda Interstellar Case Atlantis, and UFO awiens are the same woo woo hallucinations as those documented in past ages, with the odd temporal policing intrusion thrown in for funsies.

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    2. There’s also Brin’s Crystal Sphere, in which every solar system is protected by a sphere that’s completely invisible from the inside, and cannot be penetrated or damaged in any way, shape, or form from the outside.

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  8. I do find it interesting that Aliens communicating with contactees seem to have a similar philosophy to the Ascended Masters who commune with mediums. Indeed some claim to be both.

    Amd it all sounds like hokum to me.

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  9. One that often slips under the radar for child rearing #3 – Car Seat Laws

    I’ve heard many cases of car seat laws being so “inclusive” that even some petite adult women fall inside the weight and height rules. Some states only allow the “child” to age out of the restrictions at 17 years old, if the height and weight rules still apply.

    The end result is something that is burdensome to parents, taken to extremes depending on various factors that the state in question’s law looks at. If the parent can’t get the kid out of the seat in a reasonable amount of time, it makes it much less likely that the parents will have another kid. And even if the parents are inclined to do so, Mom having to deal with multiple kids in car seats whenever she makes a trip to the supermarket is going to be a real hassle.

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    1. My understanding is that most cars have attachment points for two (count ’em, 2!) car seats in the back. Assuming there’s no way a car seat goes in the shotgun seat, that puts a high premium on having more than two kids. Some bigger SUVs, minivans (do they exist anymore?) may have options for more than two.

      When dinosaurs roamed the gas stations, er when I was little, I’d sit between my brothers when we were all in the car. Modulo the station wagon; I’d hang out in the back.

      The family that had several (6?) kids had a used limo.

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      1. Depending on state, you can have boosters or even– gasp!– just have the kids in the seat, but small cars still won’t get more than two seats in the bench, which puts you at four or five kids max if you find the right minivan.

        Or you go and buy the surplused crew vehicle like we did if you can find one functional and available for less than a cheap house.

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      2. Car seats and CAFE laws are why we have SUVs instead of station wagons these days. Yes, minivans exist, but they’re so low-clearance that most people go for SUVs or crossovers. (Seriously, though, when we were purchasing the current vehicle from a secondhand chain, I tried a minivan and it grounded out over a speed bump. For which I was traveling the posted speed. Nuh-uh.)

        Anyway. The max number of seats in an SUV or crossover is 7, maybe 8, but only space for two full-sized car seats in the back rows. You could cram a booster in between the two, but it could be a pain.

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        1. Seriously, though, when we were purchasing the current vehicle from a secondhand chain, I tried a minivan and it grounded out over a speed bump.

          Not especially useful bit of trivia:
          that means the speed bump was illegally large.

          As if that fixes the damage done, any more than the multiple parking areas I’ve been in that have nearly half a foot less clearance than they post.

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          1. Really not surprising. That area is residential leading back (waaaay back) to a high school, and this was the first of a line of speed bumps, and by far the oldest. The rest are “humps”, which are a higher-quality design and are actually safe to drive over at the speed posted without rattling the occupants.

            Anyway, we went with the vehicle I could get in to a camp via a poorly-maintained dirt road.

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      1. The laws always have an upper limit on the age. So we don’t have to worry about adults being forced to use them.

        But there are apparently at least a few states where the age limit is 17.

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    3. What we have is a convocation of unintended (I think) consequences. The addition of seatbelt laws (especially 3 point restraints) got rid of the front bench seat (a situation that a generation of parents applauded and a generation of teens with overactive hormones derided). Airbags pushed children (and small adults!!!) out of the front seats. The addition of infant child seat laws pushed the child vehicle accident fatalities up in age and so brought on the booster seat requirements. CAFE laws combined with increased fuel prices caused smaller and lighter cars to be preferred, which made cars (in particular family sedans) narrower. Basically, if you want to have 3+ children with a natural 1.5-3 year spacing you have to have a vehicle with 3 seating rows to move the whole family at once. That means minivan or larger SUV driving post 1990. This meant in most cases two jobs which drives up the cost of child care. Thus, thdriving e incremental cost of child #3 up and sending child #4+ incremental costs stratospheric. Each little local optimization looked reasonable (well mostly) but the shape of the overall system moves away from the global optimum because each little nudge does not consider the overall situation. It’s kind of like a successive optimization diverging because the step function’s derivative is not decreasing in the region of interest.

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      1. And it’ll take a small miracle to resolve this. The moment *anyone* suggests that any of these laws be relaxed in the slightest, he or she will be viciously attacked as a would-be child killer. The next time a baby dies in a car, claims will be made that the blood of that child is on his or her hands.

        So, yeah. Until there’s an overwhelming majority that gets massively fed up with the overly restrictive nature of the laws, they’re going to stay.

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  10. “You may not believe in Aliens, but the Aliens believe in you.” [Very Big Crazy Grin]

    More seriously, years ago I was on the fringe of UFO-ology, but got seriously annoyed by the nonsense believed by the “True Believers”. [Sad]

    The creators of Close-Encounters Of The Third-Kind movie wanted the viewers to believe that the visiting aliens were “Space Angels” but I walked out of the theater when they show me a bunch of idiots visiting Earth.

    As for there being intelligent Aliens out there, none of us can really know what they are like until we meet them.

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  11. You may recall that the new super intelligence force involves the head of the OPM.

    I’ve found out that the OPM has published a new version of the guidelines for RIF, which went into force Sept. 2.

    The internet search for this was inspired by a rumor that I have not authenticated, and do not trust.

    I think that if interesting things are happening, will become clear in time.

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  12. Apropos that a clanker song is long overdue and the AI doomers have been getting on my nerves, here’s a poppy little countertune – a little more pop than I normally like but it grew on me:

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  13. And here’s a more period-correct TOS Trek Elvis-pattern clanker tune featuring James T. Kirk, with Spock and McCoy looking sharp on bass guitar and rhythm guitar respectively, and I think Uhura is on the drums, with special guest appearance by the Gorn captain:

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  14. Even among SFnal explanations, they could also be time travelers, or Earth travelers from an alternate universe.

    And frankly, the idea that the Fair Folk were aliens is less plausible than that the aliens were, in fact, Fair Folk. Sounds right up their alley.

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    1. Yeah, I was again wanting to joke about humans who are cultural aliens.

      I had two outlines.

      One was starting with ‘Serbs are fake’, then ‘Serbs are Croats pretending’ then ‘Croats pretending to be Serbs are doing Catholic Taqiiya’, with a lack of proof at every step.

      The second is that we have about a hundred and fifty nations that more or less correspond to a specific culture or culture group with a language or dialects of languages. The factual methodology I have for that number is wrong two ways, but maybe a good enough answer when I am cooking on a joke. Anyway, suppose the French, the Arabs, the Basque, the Tan etc are all conspiracies and all fake.

      Who is doing it for what end, and how, is a rather interesting bit of speculation.

      What if Japan and Korea are both very elaborate conspiracies, more or less all of it knowing fabrication? What if both the Samurai and the Yangban, for example, never existed and that the actual peoples were really super super egalitarian shock infantry.

      You would probably get yourself lynched if you made enough of a point of trying to insist that the Japanese and Koreans are only faking being mutually alien cultures, actually they are the Jook people pulling an elaborate ruse. I mean, there are actual crazy people in real life who are not making allegations that are much more credible.

      This is definitely the most boring possible angle on ‘different definitions of alien’.

      It is important to have the question of ‘is a man a biological category, is what we think of as man a cultural category, or is it a religious category’ as something one is aware that one is answering for oneself, not for every person in the group. See, the ‘giants as an alien culture or alien religion, in the context of the mid east’, discussion, which connects to quite a lot of stuff about Christian missionaries in more documented and recently extant alien cultures.

      I’m very much that the first world and western civilization have an underpinning assumption that is related to Jews and Christians potentially having common standards to negotiate peaces around. This is specifically in contrast to indigenous witch and witch doctor traditions in third world, and to communists in second world.

      Some third world populations actually are a majority Christian, and if things were simple insert Christ turn crank, we would expect the first world to have emerged there centuries ago. But the phenomenology of Christianity as honest sane secular scholars might understand it was I think more complicated everywhere. The modern first world, for example, was also not present in Tudor England hundreds of years ago. It was not present in New York City, or Appalachia, just two hundred years ago.

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  16. It seems my last two comments (one on this post, one on the previous) have been consumed by WordPress… Oh well.

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  17. My last two comments have been blocked, once here, once on the previous posting… Oh well. WPDE

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    1. The WP web browser comment interface has been randomly eating what up to a good “post sent” status looked to be successfully created comments, all replies, some very short and some longer, of mine for the past few weeks. WPDE.

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  18. I believe it’s very likely there are other sentient life forms in the universe.

    I also believe it’s very unlikely any of them are visiting us. The distances are too vast.

    We managed to exceed the speed of sound, but only by using large amounts of energy. We may discover a way to exceed the speed of light, but there’s no guarantee that the amount of energy required will be low enough to be stored or produced in a ship. TANSTAAFL.

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  19. The answer to the question of …
    How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
    Isn’t one of logic, but one of faith. You have to believe in Angels first before you can answer the question.
    The answer of course depends on the song that is playing…

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    2. Nah.

      Angels are spirits. Spirits do not have physical bodies. Only physical bodies can exclude other things from a space, or be excluded by them. Consequently, inherent in the definition of angels — an infinite number. Regardless of whether there are any.

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  20. FYI:

    SOLAR FLARE ALERT: Earth-orbiting satellites have just detected a M6.7 class solar flare at 08-Oct-2026 at 15:48:00 UTC.

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    1. UPDATE—we now have images of today’s M6.7-class solar flare (15:48 UTC). It erupted from sunspot 4549 at solar coordinates N11W18. That is close to the center of the solar disk.

      What this means: the flare site is squarely Earth-facing. If this flare launched a coronal mass ejection, it would likely be aimed at Earth — watch for possible geomagnetic storming and auroras in the next 1-3 days.

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