I don’t Believe In Aliens

I don’t believe in aliens but I profoundly dislike Woo Woo. And Aliens at least aren’t woo woo. Or they weren’t. It could be argued that when everyone on the left started running around talking about UFOs being some kind of psychic phenomenon, (circa early seventies) it was a sign of true cultural rot or perhaps a sign that my (tongue in cheek, I think. I THINK) theory below is true, of course.

I don’t know how many of you remember this, but UFOs and aliens didn’t use to be in the same category of belief as elves, fairies, ghosts, weird spirit messages and the thing called “Earth changes” that has sneaked back in under the scientifist guise of “Global Warming” on the left.

UFOs were a sign of something physical out there. Of possibly more scientifically advanced but not supernatural aliens. Maybe very bad aliens. (Looks at Puppet Masters.)

And then it changed and became part of the new age circus. Which is when I gave up on it, though I always had trouble believing in aliens, which is why they don’t exist in my fiction, even when they seem to. (More on that later.)

Yesterday in a group, a friend said what is obvious about the left is that they seriously oppose human reproduction and longevity. Ultimately human life, I guess.

Here’s the list as to why:

NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST:

1) Pushing to maximize abortion

2) Pushing to maximize homosexuality

3) Multiple different initiatives to make child rearing more difficult and expensive including a) Ramping up the intensity of social services scrutiny, effectively necessitating high intensity “helicopter parenting” b) Turning schools into indoctrination factories that don’t prepare children to function independently but do prepare them to have constant fights with their parents over their indoctrination c) Making healthcare more expensive through constantly ramping regulation, making the actual having of children more difficult and prohibitively expensive d) Pushing to nationalize healthcare, granting them further power over who lives or dies– allowing limitation of IVF, and also e) legitimizing legal euthanasia while also pushing to make healthcare decisions for the public (see Canada right now)

4) Pushing from other regulatory angles to make the de-facto standard a two-income family, ensuring children are raised in daycares and further pushing family budgets to the brink

5) Using the student loan system to turn the bulk of reproductive age, upwardly mobile people into collateral in a deal that passes billions of dollars directly from the US government to the same system that then indoctrinates those kids to the point of full societal dysfunction; encouraging, as much as possible, the use of sex as entertainment ONLY

6) Turning sterilizing yourself into the hot new fad for kids

7) Turning the simple identification of gender into a minefield so that even sex between people who aren’t mutilating themselves is suddenly difficult to even consider

8)Willfully manipulating nursing homes into putting elderly people in a position where they are MOST LIKELY to die during COVID

9) Adopting COVID policies which foreseeably shut down cancer diagnostics and treatment for almost two years, which is the most likely cause of the 10 fold increase in the rate of cancers since the COVID lockdowns (although I can’t entirely discount that the vaccines themselves are partially responsible because, sing it with me now, you can’t ensure the long term safety of something that hasn’t been around long enough to have long term safety data, which is why we do clinical trials and not mass experiments on the general public. I note in passing that the drug companies are so trustworthy they demanded legal indemnity as a condition of participating, while swearing blind that the product was safe and effective even though it was physically fucking impossible for them to have data to back that up due to minor problems like the requisite quantity of time not passing.)

And then this:

Whether they intend this to be a coordinated effort or passively want us gone, at some point you realize

The Democratic party? They’re the aliens in Independence Day.

Because I don’t like Woo Woo, I jumped off from this to aliens:

If the hypothesis that appeared in a lot of pulp age SF that humans were “the old ones” of the Galaxy (or the universe) who lost a war, and whose remnants were sent to Earth in exile, and whose “leaders” are being manipulated by “aliens” to keep them from achieving high tech, specifically space travel again, what would be different?

Space travel?

Well….

1- Shortly after the moon landing, there was a concerted effort by the left to confuse, thwart and obfuscate all attempts at space travel.

2- the talk of UFOs and possible space travel was corrupted by an entire slew of “sightings” and ideas that made UFOs and aliens into a supernatural, woo woo phenomenology fit only for New Age circles.

3- NASA might have gone the way of all government agencies, so natural, but–

4- Every democrat president is intent on crippling our ability to travel in space further, and discredit the very idea we SHOULD aim for it or attempt it.

5- Even space opera with or without minimally believable science, which — if nothing else — kept the idea we can eventually travel to and colonize the stars was shut down hard, in favor of fantasy and HARD science fiction. (I have nothing, absolutely nothing about hard science fiction, but with very few exceptions, it is only exciting to people who know enough science to understand what’s being done. It’s not how you popularize the idea of space colonization.) And the old masters who were pro-space were discredited and attacked. Even Baen who kept space travel fic alive, kind of, ended up in the narrow mil-sf sub-field most of the time. The rest became one of those self-fulfilling prophecies of trad pub: Space opera doesn’t sell, so we won’t publish any, and what we publish we won’t promote, so it doesn’t sell, so space opera doesn’t sell, so we– last verse, same as the first.
Note trad pub did this even though space opera movies continued to do exceedingly well, even arrantly stupid ones.

6- our capacity to generate enough energy to allow for even thinking of space travel is under systematic attack, which

a) feeds into depopulation, or will this winter, but also

b) inexplicably nuclear is included in this and attacked twice as hard, which of course is at war with us going to space, interstellar travel and eventually FTL (yes, it’s “impossible.” Our species has an history of doing the impossible on the regular. It’s just incremental steps, which are being thwarted by cutting us off at the ankles.)

That second list is also not exhaustive and I’m sure other people can contribute more instances of “this just doesn’t make sense, unless….”

Now I said I don’t believe in aliens and I don’t. I mean, base level fundamental, either aliens are utterly incomprehensible to us, or we wouldn’t realize they’re sentient. I THINK. But at the same time, if our species is much, much older, the aliens could be us.

Maybe there’s a universe of space commies, and we’re the space Americans who’ve lost the battle but not the (final war.)

Look, no, I don’t believe in any of this. This is the process I go through to create universes. I go through the evidence, see if it’s coherent, etc.

But if this were true what would be different?

And mostly I say “aliens” because I don’t like woo woo.

On the other hand, if it’s aliens I can’t do anything about it. If however it’s activity by a well-dressed gentleman of wealth and taste whose expensive perfume can never fully disguise an underlying whiff of brimstone.

…. Well, I can pray.

Even if it’s the equivalent of looking for the car keys under the street light and doesn’t make much sense.

Anyway — I don’t believe in any of this. I think. But it was worth laying out to think on.

Cui bono in all these things? Cui bono?

321 thoughts on “I don’t Believe In Aliens

  1. I’d just use Occam’s razor. They’re stupid little narcissists — no aliens or woo necessary

    1. Back when I was young, there was a theory of intrinsic class floating about.
      It held that one’s class was determined by how much foresight and self-restraint one possessed.

      We are ruled by the lowest of the low.
      A man of wealth and taste.
      His hair was perfect.

  2. The left has been anti-life, or at least anti-human life, since the first Earth Day in 1970, at the very latest. If there has been something that advanced human life, made it easier or more pleasant, they have been against it every single time. And everything that they are for either does not work, makes things worse, or only works for the elite (which, somehow, they always envision themselves as being).

    1. Some of them branch out to being anti-animal life, as least as far as that life intersects with or improves human life: see “Everyone who works at PeTA” and militant vegans.

        1. And some writers have picked it up. Notably the Liaden universe had a subplot of, “Liadens (and others) are refugees from a small universe where beings actively hostile to all life succeeded in wiping it out.” The idea being creatures who can’t stand the “noise,” of living things and wipe them out so they can “enjoy,” their lifeless, unchanging, silent cosmos.

            1. Weber’s used at least three variations I can think of offhand. Mind you, he’s doing, “aliens you can’t negotiate with,” as a reason humans are fighting them, but in one series he has humanity “rescuing,” one group of the aliens and making them allies.

            2. One of the Pacific Northwest tribal legends too. The gods are angry because the children make too much noise, so they send a feather that a child grabs and sticks to. She calls for help, other children try to grab her and stick, and all are pulled into the sky, then dropped and killed.

          1. According to the Sumerians, the Great Flood came about because the gods objected to the amount of noise all the humans were making.

              1. “…we might have let your radio transmissions slide, but then we started hearing this ‘Yoko Ono’. For that crime alone you must be exterminated.

          2. Terry Pratchett used that with his “auditors” who hate “fuzzy” thinking and want the universe to be perfectly round rocks moving in perfectly predictable orbits and nothing else. One of his best novels is “Hogfather” where the auditors try and kill Santa Clause.

        2. I can’t help but notice that one of the “pop” Christmas songs that gets played on the radio extols a state only achievable on a blasted rock without biological life.

          1. ??? I almost never listen to the radio (wehre’s a good Goth rock/Gothic metal station when you need one?) so perhaps I’ve been lucky enough to avoid this one as none come to mond.

      1. I meant as a movement, rather than certain individuals in the movement.

        You could argue that it was possible to honestly believe socialism/communism would bring heaven on Earth through the show trials in the 1930s, for example. After that, not so much. But when the left as a movement went all-in on anti-life was basically 1970, in the US. Perhaps earlier in Europe.

    2. Wasn’t they guy who came up with “erf day” the one who murdered his girlfriend, stuffer her into a trunk and then shoved said trunk into a closet in his apartment, and was discovered because the people in the floor below complained about odors and something dripping?
      Yeah, that guy: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna42711922
      I’m surprised it’s on one of the alphabet news pages at all. Well they weasel more than a bit, I think: “Although Einhorn was only the master of ceremonies at the first Earth Day event, he maintains that Earth Day was his idea and that he’s responsible for launching it. Understandably, Earth Day’s organizers have distanced themselves from his name, citing Gaylord Nelson, an environmental activist and former Wisconsin governor and U.S. senator who died in 2005, as Earth Day’s official founder and organizer.”

      1. So that’s where Talks With Plants got her terms.

        An exceptionally florid case, since she prattled of how biophilic women would execute necrophiliac men after they took power, and sentence all men who did nit commit crimes by her wide definitions to solitary confinement and hazardous jobs.

        1. I’ve been listening to James Lindsay’s read-throughs of various Marxist-derived works. Recurring theme: they’re all saying minor variations on the same things, only it’s so steeped in jargon as to defy casual scrutiny.

          Yeah, Miss Hears-Plants-Talk was not spewing word salad. Everything she said had a defined meaning within the bizarro world she inhabits.

  3. A family member died of brain cancer, much too young, because she couldn’t get in to see a doctor during COVID. By the time they diagnosed it (a year after symptoms started), she was Stage 4. She died soon thereafter. Political theater costs real lives.

    1. We need to start taking doctors the AMA and states delicense for failure to spout the party line, and convince them to provide medical care underground; and protect them with lethal force. And no, we know some doctors are bad players no matter what. I’m talking about the ones who have the good of their patients foremost.

    2. Yeah, I’m gonna lose my brother sometime in the next year or so, because the cancer he had already had treated once came back and got into his lungs during COVID, turning something bad into something deadly that they can only slow down.

      1. Sorry to hear about your brother.

        We are lucky, mom’s cancer occurred both before the 2020 lockouts, and later after medical offices were at least open. Her treatments are removal, and make sure the cancer has 100% been removed at the site it showed up. At some point, speculation is, it will show up somewhere internal. Hasn’t happened yet. Doesn’t exactly spread as one would expect, either for all that it has shown up in 3 very different parts of the body (in order: Leg, Scalp, Hand …). Staffing, lack of, is now the problem. OTOH she is officially on the “get her in however possible” list. Note (first I’d heard of it) her mother had the same problem for the last 10 years of her life. She was 95 when she passed, she died cancer free.

      1. Yeah. My faith tells me to forgive, but my Scotch-Irish blood is all “Avenge me, boy!”

        1. Your faith tells you to forgive? That has to suck – mine is perfectly fine with wreaking utter destruction

          “And for slanderers may there be no hope, and may all wickedness perish in an instant, and may al your enemies be cut down speedily in our days”

  4. I’ve been thinking this for your last few posts. There is something in the mix which does not understand humans. Whether that is demons, aliens, or just brainwashed humans, I don’t know. I’d think that demons would understand humans better, having been with us since the beginning (ours, not theirs). But they could be behind the ones who are doing the brainwashing. And the more steps between, the greater the disconnect could grow.

    And now I’m just rambling.

    1. Human minds are weird.

      The purely material model of the human mind can only explain every behavior that is documented for humans, if and only if ‘human minds are weird, man, weird’.

      If there are no spirits, and magic is impossible, then there are strange and unusual things that can develop purely from the operation of the human mind. And, the stuff is powerful and dangerous.

      Brainwashing is slightly the wrong word. Brainwashing implies a psychological process that is somewhat under human control.

      What we have is instead emergent phenomenology. Handwaving, religious ritual underlies culture, and culture underlies the baselines that we define sanity from. But, it is not at all purely a matter of the religious ritual, the inner life of an individual controls the efficacy. At most, people have some power over their own inner life.

      These folks are effectively different religion, different culture, and their sanity both is unlike our own and perhaps cannot even exist.

      They are not brainwashed, they are savages, and maybe heathen.

  5. One of the “funniest” scenes in Independence Day were the UFO-nuts waving “welcome signs” at what turned out to be “Ground Zero” for the Alien Attack. [Crazy Grin]

    I really hate the “Great, Glorious Superior Peaceful Aliens” that too many UFO-nuts believe. Of course, it crazy that some UFO-nuts believe that aliens are kidnapping (and returning) people for some unknown reason. IE These “Great And Glorious Superior Peaceful Aliens” are also Kidnapping Humans?????

    Oh, the “Great, Glorious Superior Peaceful Aliens” are why I hated that stupid “Close Encounters Of The Third Kind” movie. IE The Aliens destroyed a woman’s home & kidnapped her toddler, The Aliens drove one man into insanity, the Aliens had been kidnapping people for decades, etc. But we were to see those Aliens As The Good Guys and our Superiors? 😡

    1. I think the questions these ufonuts who believe in “Great, Glorious Superior Peaceful Aliens” fail to ask are, “What environmental conditions and philosophies do the most to drive a species to expand their boundaries?” and “What kind of species are those conditions going to select for?”

      I can tell you that most of them are NOT going to be benevolent, peaceful aliens. And that might be a major driver of the Fermi paradox. Such species may kill themselves off before going extraplanetary.

      1. A lot of idiots think a “superior species” would grow out of the “nasty stuff”.

        Oh, Chris Nuttall had a SF series where earlier in our advancement into space there was a belief that any species that got into space would not be war-like. Problem was that humans (in this series) was still war-like but they still expected any space-traveling aliens to be peaceful.

        So guess what the first space-traveling aliens were like. 😉

        1. You mean like in the Man-Kzin series, where the Angel’s Pencil [SPOILERS-SPOILERS-SPOILERS] was staffed by humans who were so deeply conditioned against violent acts that attempting to defend the ship threw one into a catatonic state? (Was that Nuttall?)

          1. I don’t remember that Man-Kzin War story but that never happened in any Nuttall story that I read.

            1. Albert, I thought while Niven originated it he opened it up in the anthologies to other authors. (Not to divert the thread TOO awful much.)

              1. Nod, Larry Niven created the Kzin and opened up writing in his universe to other authors.

                But Chris Nuttall never wrote any stories in that universe.

        2. In Fred Saberhagen’s Berserker universe only us feral, warmongering humans were capable of defeating the Berserkers. Everybody else were GGSPA’s.

          James P. Hogan’s Giants were pacifists because the critters they evolved from had a second circulatory system to remove metabolic toxins. Any minor injury was likely to contaminate their nutrient/oxygen circulatory system with the waste removal system’s contents and lead to almost certain death. Any violence was just as likely to kill the attacker as the attacked — or both. They had trouble coping with human aggression and duplicity.

    2. The “Great, Glorious Superior Peaceful Aliens” (GGSPA henceforth) have been a trope for a while. “The Day the Earth Stood Still” is the first popular movie trope version I can think of. Some of the aliens from the Godzilla series fall into that class too although most of them are just (please pardon my language) assholes. And of course the Arisians are a variant of that in the Lensman series although they have a built in antithesis in the Eddorians. The Brahmandarins love them some GGSPA types hell Close Encounters had them in ecstatic nearly sexual rapture. . I think they like the GGSPA because the Brahmandarins are such an infantalized culture and want mommy and daddy to protect, and provide for them..

      1. Julian May’s “Galactic Milieu,” trilogy presented sort of, “GGSPA,” types, but they had attained a mental/philosophical “Unity,” among multiple species which made (direct) violence impossible. They took humanity in “on spec,” purely because they saw it as having enormous potential….if they could survive until the humans chose Unity for themselves. Meanwhile, although they provided many benefits to mankind, their essentially despotic rule caused a lot of resentment.

        1. which is why my back-of-brain sequel to the new version of TDTESS takes place three thousand years hence when the first human fleet leaves our solar system to seek out the race that killed half of the human race… (the remake is worse than the original and destroys all machines on earth)

          1. Three Thousand Years hence?

            Minor nit, I think two hundred years hence might be better.

            After a thousand years of little or no high tech, the memory of “what happened” would be very very vague.

            Oh the other hand, I agree about the idiot second movie.

            First Movie: “Don’t bring your silly little wars off earth. We won’t like you spoiling our paradise.”

            Second Movie: “You’re destroying your own environment. We don’t like that so stop it.”

            In the first movie, the aliens had a vested interest in our bring our wars off Earth.

            In the second movie, the aliens had no vested interest in what we did to our environment. Basically, they sounded more like our environmentists Kook-Balls than rational beings.

      2. It’s amazing how often ‘GGSPA’s have as a solution to the world’s problems – “Fix yourself or we will wipe you off the planet”

        1. Barely in loco parentis. They basically bred intelligent species like animals until said species exceeded their capabilities. You have to squeeze lemons to make lemonade; but it’s tough on the lemons.

    3. The godawful remake of The Day the Earth Stood Still kinda sorta inverted the peaceful alien trope, but they were only hostile because we iz so bad.

      On the other hand, C.S. Lewis did the peaceful alien trope, sort of, but they weren’t peaceful aliens, they were angels.

      1. Well, some of the peaceful aliens were Unfallen Beings guarded by Angels.

        Note, that why humans were restricted (in the story universe) from leaving Earth again.

        The Unfallen aliens had to be protected from Fallen Humans.

        1. It’s weird how leftists keep producing twisted versions of religious fables, complete with “redemption” and perfected and glorified people in a perfect world. ..at the expense of destroying the current one.

          It’s like they create everything they imagine religion is.

  6. I hadn’t thought about it until today, but the “ancient aliens” stuff and the remade Battlestar series seemed to have a subtext of “and now we’re hopeless and corrupt and space is bad so stay home, mkay?” We’re supposed to be passive and wait for our superiors to return. Or they committed terrible sins and so exiled themselves here and destroyed their tech because Tech Is Bad.

    Ick. I detest Grey Goo.

    1. There was a heretical viewpoint that comes out of the Greek philosophies that “spirit” was good and pure and the material was evil and corrupt. Both the Manichaeistic and Gnostic heresies tend to float to this viewpoint. This is of course in total opposition to a viewpoint where in every case when the Creator creates something he declares it good (or very good in our case).

  7. “Maybe there’s a universe of space commies”

    Given what we’ve seen of Communists on Earth, I think it’s safe to say that a galactic union of space commies would have quickly lost the ability to travel in space

    😛

    1. Communism is silly for humans, not necessarily for aliens. Ants for example, perfect communism, workers, warriors, dutiful. Aliens, communists, hiveminds just might be able to army ant across the universe.

      1. The space ants would need to develop a way to travel across space, and that would require layers of creativity that a nest simply doesn’t have. The nest is built around the idea of making sure that everything works properly within the hive. When something doesn’t work, the solution is to throw bodies at the problem. That’s not going to get you off of a rock. In fact, the idea that you might want to get off the rock, or even that there’s anything off the rock at all, wouldn’t occur to a nest.

          1. Yeah, but they can perceive those as obstacles. Can they perceive “space” as an obstacle? Can they reach the point at which they even conceive of the existence of space?

              1. Depends on things like the thickness of the atmosphere and the planet’s size and gravity and rate of spin.

                Might take a million years of carrying dirt and rock from place to place, but in a world with different parameters, you could literally build a mountain that reached orbit.

              2. Depends on things like the thickness of the atmosphere and the planet’s size, mass, and spin.

                It might take thousands of years of concerted effort by the hives, hauling dirt and rock and piling it up, but in principle you could build a mountain that reached orbit. (Not on Earth, of course, but if you tweak the planetary parameters enough, it could be possible. Hmm…. might need to make two of them, one on each side. Perhaps competing hive minds on different continents. A long, slow space race.)

        1. Each hive is an independent person, of one or more brain bugs. It is a small tribe of remarkable unity.

          They join or rival at will to achieve goals, somtimes durably. Some serial/parallel “marriages” are gigantic and durable, but there are always the odd swarms that are “odd” due to heavy genetic variability. Perhaps they have subsets that always rival. But “team play” is heavily favored.

          A hive could easily be as or more intelligent than one H. Sapien. They don’t have a concept of “individual”. Even one hive is many minds.

          They are frantically trying to locate our brain bugs to discuss better breeding of non-troublesome obedient soldiers and workers, not these nightmare crazy solo brain-ish-but-insane minions.

          “””How did these chaos loon minions ever team up to forge iron, let alone team up for FTL? Or can we find their queens and cauterize?”””

          “””These chaos fiends can’t be all of their mind. Impossible! Hunt more! Perhaps here?”””

          “Sergeant! There they go again, digging under a city. ”

          “Just when they have us darn near done, they drop everything and start mining for sewerage. Eh. Never interrupt an enemy mistake. Call it”

          “Fire mission! Fire mission! Load RAID! Coordinates delta lima 27561235, open borehole.”

          1. Jerry Oltion had a book with an insect species that were a distributed hive mind. Every individual was a node in the system, and could function briefly in isolation, but if not reunited with the whole, that individual’s intelligence would slowly fade away and die. The on-screen character from that species was a scout, sent to check out a new planet — and his lander could only land, not take off. He went down understanding that it was a one-way mission, sending findings back to the hive but not returning — until our protagonists use their ship to reunite him with his people.

        2. See the Borg. Space ants that take over people, adapt their innovations and technologies, and claim to be “perfect” because they suppress individuals’ personalities and creativity.

        1. Heinlein’s Bugs in Starship Troopers were close to a “group-minded” species.

          Still, the majority Heinlein’s Bugs were controlled by the Brain Bugs.

          1. Anne McCaffrey had a race of bug-like creatures in her “Tower,” series. They would seed a planet with multiple plagues, then colonize it, overpopulate it and then the “queens,” would send out daughters to found new colonies. Eventually the humans discovered bug pheromones that interrupted the cycle and caused the queens to grow their colonies to sustainable levels. Because McCaffrey being McCaffrey, actually having the Navy perform pesticide on a possibly intelligent species was just too icky.

        2. Card’s Buggers/Formics (depending on which name you prefer) were more of an owner/slave system. As originally written, the queen is the only intelligent member of an individual hive. The other Formics are apparently unintelligent, and completely unable to do anything other than what the queen directs them to do. So they’re slaves of the queen.

          Also note that we have almost no information on how the hives interact with each other. We know that they hold individual intelligent life forms to be extremely valuable. On the other hand, killing a bunch of non-queen Formics from a different hive just to say “Hello!” isn’t considered unusual. But we have no information beyond that. We don’t know if the hives practiced cutthroat capitalism between each other, or whether they practiced some other form of inter-hive trade. We don’t know if they regularly engaged in wars with each other (being careful not to put the queens at risk), or whether wars were rare. There’s simply no information on this.

          And then there’s the retcon. I haven’t read the book myself. But in “Shadows in Flight”, Card introduced a group of Formic drones on a starship whose queen had died. It turns out that the drones are actually intelligent, and the book apparently reveals that even normal workers are able to become intelligent if there’s no queen around. But so long as they maintain their telepathic link with the queen, this is impossible.

    2. It’s like an old joke I heard about software managers attending a safety conference. The guy giving the talk about safety says “How many of you folks would have gotten on the plane if your people had written the flight control software? Can I see a show of hands?” One guy in the back raises his hand confidently. The speaker says “What, do you really think your team is THAT good”. The guy who raised his hand replied, ” Hell no they’re awful. If they’d written the flight control software the plane couldn’t even have pushed back from the gate”. I suspect Communist Aliens (other than Star Ship Trooper’s Arachnids or Enders Game’s Buggers who are built for that system) will barely be able to get off the planet repeatably.

    3. The only really believable – and believably horrific – version of Space Communism I’ve seen is the Borg from Star Trek.

  8. In the name of Girl Power, high schools have dumped Home Economics departments and classes. Who needs to know how to budget, meal plan, cook, and do childcare when all the women are going to college to have a Career? Even many Catholic high schools are career prep. One more way the left and feminism undermine the family structure.

    Oh. Child seats. Gotta have a bigger vehicle to have more than two.

    1. And you can’t keep the infant seat in the front. Because the airbag might kill the kid.

      I don’t understand why no one has designed a seat that sits sideways toward the driver, so that the airbags can’t do what the vehicle safety people say they will.

        1. Chuckle Chuckle

          Yep, and it turns out that the auto-makers KNEW THAT THE AIR-BAGS WOULD BE A PROBLEM, but the regulators ignored the auto-makers’ warning and said DO IT.

          Sadly, the auto-makers knew that Congress (and the News-Media) would support the regulators and their lawyers said that they’d be safe from law-suits because they were just obeying the government.

          Thus they didn’t fight it.

          It was humorous how the Deadly Auto Air-Bags story died quickly after the News Media learned that the auto-makers knew about the problem and the regulators pushed Auto Air-Bags anyway.

          IE Talking about Evil Corporations was Great but talking about Evil Regulations was Bad. 😈

          1. I may have noted here before but anyway, I’m so old I can remember when customers decided what they wanted and manufactures would rush to make such.

            However nowadays the government decides what we can have, the manufactures are forced to make it and we, have no choice but to buy it, even if the one and only approved toilet design requires 3 flushes after each use or we own and know how to use a tire pressure gauge we WILL have a pressure sensor in each tire!

          2. Should have executed the regulators, congress, and news media by repeated airbag deployment. I wonder how many hits that would have taken for each one?

          3. The whole point of airbags is to “save” those stubborn folks that simply will not wear seatbelts.

            1. Yep, but the Auto Insurance companies will tell you to wear your seat-belts because the air-bags are dangerous when you’re not wearing seat-belts. [Crazy Grin]

              1. Glad I checked responding posts.

                Because the whole “airbags, because people do not wear seat belts” is bogus. Funny how all 3 of our vehicles turns OFF airbags if seat belts are not used with proper weight, or seat belt is used, but weight is too light. I have seat belted the dog (in her kennel) sometimes in passenger “shotgun” position (kennel + dog = airbag turned off when seat belted in). Normally she is directly behind me, in her car bed, clipped in; but the other location can get used, just rarely.

                1. IIRC While Air-Bags don’t really protect you when you’re not wearing seat-belts, the idiot regulators THOUGHT THAT AIR-BAGS WOULD PROTECT the driver if the driver wasn’t wearing seat-belts.

                  1. Yet. History of airbags, says otherwise. Especially me as a Driver. You know the vertically challenged (5’4″). If I am the driver, driver airbags going off are likely to be the cause of my critical injury to death, in any survivable crash that sets them off. To say I take defensive driving extremely, is an understatement. I believe in car air gap defensive driving.

                    1. I’m not talking HERE about the real safety/use of Air-Bags.

                      I’m talking about WHY the Air-Bags were required in the manufacturing of the car.

                      The regulators believed that they’d save the lives of people not wearing seat-belts and would not listen to anybody who would tell them otherwise.

          4. Drak,

            Your comment made me think of the environmental disaster at Love Canal.

            The local government wanted that land but the company didn’t want to sell it.

            The local government used the threat of eminent domain, so the company sold it.

            Now that disaster is the company’s fault because reasons.

            1. I think that’s when you find a friendly newspaperman and have him tell the entire story to everybody and their uncles. Then see whether the governmentals go through with it.

    2. Yup. It would be very interesting to work out the economics of a stay-at-home mom who can actually cook from raw materials. I suspect she might prove to be worth $50K/year or so to the family’s total finances.

    3. I budget, meal plan, cook, and I’m a guy. Of course, my parents are the ones who taught me, not the schools. As far as childcare is concerned, I’m average for the U.S. Too much trust in so-called “experts” and the public school system. It’s one of those, “If I knew then what I know now” regrets we talked about last week.

      1. Old enough that Home Ec & Shop was a requirement in Jr High (7-9), but by gender (home ec – girls, shop – boys). I learned to cook long before then between mom and both grandmothers. Was knitting, hemming, and embroidery, well before then, too.

          1. I suspect hubby and his brother were the same at their shop class. We have equipment that hubby inherited from his dad that is older than he is (being the baby of the family), by 10+ years.

            Son somewhat the same with the local shop class equivalent at his HS. We don’t have the equipment for the welding, otherwise … Hubby and son went through the garage after son graduated and took over a lot of stuff hubby inherited from his dad that were never ever going to be used. Told instructor what there was, asked if the program could use it. Huge YES. (This is the class that the Electric Race Carts come out of. That are raced by the students, with drivers licenses. Don’t know how it has fared over the last two years of classroom shutdowns. It is a hands on class.)

  9. Aliens are a lot easier to believe than ultra Maga homeless guys circumventing security with the skill of Batman in an attack against the Speaker of the House while wearing his underwear and armed with a weapon he found on site.

      1. The writers are just lazy. On the other hand, I predict that in a week, the long-forgotten “Russian hacker” storyline will suddenly be revived.

        1. Cue the MSM for November 12 with that one if the tidal wave is red. “Putin did it! They hate our freedom and democracy!” LOL Of Course, Steal 22 could just “Hold off the red tide” by a few congress seats.

        2. It’s gonna be, “Chinese hackers,” This time around. They’re already laying the groundwork.

      2. Now they’re insisting the guy was clothed and carrying white rope, zip ties and two hammers. The Feds are throwing kidnapping charges at him.
        Politico was throwing shade on Republicans talking about “guy in his underwear,” and, “a third person opened the door for police….” when they had reported both items themselves.

        1. Has the broken window with the glass on the outside disappeared off the social sites yet? Just wondering.

          Haven’t they learned that once something is online, it is online forever? … Never mind.

        2. Stop trying to make logical sense of all this and just believe what you’re told!

          No, not that thing, you idiot, the other one! Wait, never mind, this one. THIS one is the real-for-realsies truth. Yeah, that’s the ticket, yeah…

          1. He was found with a hammer (Pelosi and the man were apparently both holding onto it), so he must have at least one of them.

          2. Right? Also you can tell it’s bullshit, because the left inserts zip ties in every narrative, like they have an unnatural fear of them.
            You can tell they don’t do house work/minor repairs.

                  1. Perhaps they watched, “Burn Notice.” Weston liked using them because they’re hard to get out of and easy (sort of) to use.

                    1. I prefer the velcro cable ties. Just a strip of tough plastic 6″ to 8″ long with fuzzy velcro on the outside and prickly velcro on the inside. Easier to apply and much, much easier to remove or adjust.
                      ———————————
                      Na’Toth: “Are you Ambassador G’Kar?”

                      G’Kar: “This is Ambassador G’Kar’s quarters. This is Ambassador G’Kar’s table. This is Ambassador G’Kar’s dinner. What part of this progression escapes you?”

            1. I use zip ties for securing wiring, hydraulic lines, and seasonal fencing to posts. None of which are large enough for securing human hands.

              What’s missing in the Pelosi narrative? Nothing to prevent Paul from shouting for help, like a gag.

              And who keeps a cell phone in their bathroom? (Yeah, lots of people carry them in, but they carry them out again.)

              1. ….. dang gammit,

                goes to kitchen, checks ziptie drawer

                K, I have foot long ties.

                I’m a 5″3 woman who’s noted for small wrists, and it’s just barely big enough

                They are just barely long enough to go around my wrists.

                Could it have been either 1) TV said it would work, or 2) put a ziptie around each hand?

                That said, other than the metal ones I have, I can break all of our zipties…..

                1. Even the big, heavy-duty ones the riot control cops use are breakable; although most of the time you’re going to skin your wrists doing it.

                  1. Maybe it works better with SoyBoys. 😀

                    I am fairly sure that the law enforcement types are better than my “five dollar variety” pack, but…

                  2. I have a bunch of longer ones kicking around, great for attaching my hose to my fence

                2. We have three different colored zip ties, inherited from FIL. Used to confuse the computer equipment wiring knitting fairies. Also used to entertain the cats. One will get up by the drawers (too tight for them to pull out, otherwise 100% would). Once open, he picks out one, two, or three. If the drawer gets left open, he’ll get more, even if the others are still intact. We have to be careful though, because the dog steals them from the cats and chews them up.

        3. He also has a social media “history”, which according to Eric Swallwell includes a farcebook page just like OrangeManBad’s, and Marjorie Taylor-Greene’s and I forget the other Current Villain he mentioned. So did this guy drive a PT Cruiser to the Pelosi residence too?

          1. But apparently that ‘history’ didn’t exist until a few days ago, then suddenly just appeared out of nowhere.
            ———————————
            When Eric Swalwell farted on camera, it was the most intelligent thing heard from a Democrat all day.

            1. Yep, Internet Archive apparently stood up and told the truth on that one.

              Gotta kinda wonder if, as a public character, he doesn’t have a few bits of goodwill among the populace, who may perhaps be worrying about him. Or are just realizing how crappy his life is, even for a crazy person with a bad profession.

              Or maybe people are just sick of Pelosi, even in San Francisco.

              1. > “Or maybe people are just sick of Pelosi, even in San Francisco.”

                One of the oddities in this story is that the guy supposedly attacked Paul with the hammer right in front of the police and DIDN’T get turned into swiss cheese. My first thought was “The local cops must not be too fond of the Pelosis..”

    1. Someone hasn’t being playing Kojima games to the point of forgetting what reality is even like.

      Naked Snake.

      The objective reality of the California Democrats is not /that/ different from a Kojima game.

      Metal Gear!

      1. You know, the last parts of MGS2 really do make more sense than the crap they pull. “I need scissors! 61!”

    2. The criminal complaint and arrest warrant are online now: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23245697/read-feds-announce-charges-against-david-depape-paul-pelosis-suspected-attacker.pdf. This is the second-hand FBI version since this is for the federal charges. Some of the narrative makes sense. In part it states that in DePerps backback, “(the police) found, among other things, a roll of tape, white rope, one hammer, one pair of rubber and cloth gloves, and a journal.”

      He used the hammer to break a glass door of the residence and gain entry. After confronting this bizarre home invader, Pelosi manages to call 911. Cops show up. Pelosi manages to open front door to two cops. Perpetrator tries to hit Pelosi with a hammer (apparently the only weapon he brought–must have been a Peter, Paul, and Mary/ Pete Seeger fan). Pelosi grabs Perp’s wrist mid-swing to stop it. Cops confronted with a 42 year old and an 82 year old wrestling over a hammer, yell, “Both of you, drop the hammer!” Pelosi lets go, so the perp bashes him in the side of the head, knocking him down and out. Life lesson, “Never be the first to let go of the hammer.”

      1. > “He used the hammer to break a glass door of the residence and gain entry.”

        Didn’t I see a picture showing the glass was mostly on the outside, suggesting it had been broken from the INSIDE?

        Also: isn’t Pelosi’s house guarded 24-7, given that Nancy is third-in-line for POTUS? How did no one get alerted by the sound of a door being smashed in?

        1. Those are indeed very good questions. The only online picture of the glass door I saw was from the outside, and it’s possible that there is more glass on the inside and just some on the outside. That would be easy to tell by anyone actually on the scene, but i have absolutely no hope of ever hearing the evidence from that investigation.

          I’ve since read that the Capitol Police monitor cameras around Pelosi’s residence 24/7, but the guy on duty didn’t notice anything until he heard the police report. Maybe he was out chatting with Jeffrey Epstein’s prison guards?

          Also there is a report from a private security guard who was a few doors away at the time, and reported not hearing anything until shortly before the police arrived. Good thing these people are not Russians, or I’d advise them to stay away from windows in tall buildings.

      2. OMG this story gets better and better! DePape is an illegal immigrant (a Canadian citizen who entered through the SAN YSIDRO port of entry in 2008 without a visa (I’m sure the average Canadian enters the US from MEXICO via Southern California). Apparently Canadians are allowed to stay in the US for 6 months without a visa.) Currently he’s being held WITHOUT BAIL (in CALIFORNIA? in SAN FRANCISCO?) It’s not clear whether local authorities violated SF’s sanctuary city laws by reporting him to ICE. Appparently, his former “life partner” and mother of their 3 children is a jailed nudist activist in California who goes by the name Gypsy. She is currently locked up in the Californian Institution for Women after being convicted on abduction charges in 2021.

        Holy crap! Even in RAH’s Friday, California wasn’t THIS crazy.

  10. Cui bono. Otherwise, a very interesting read. Keep up the thought provoking because without thoughts, we’re doomed. 

  11. I like to listen to a lot of podcasts with varying degrees of woo for fun and story inspiration, and I tend to lean toward alien stories that don’t sound like government hoaxes/misidentifications/schizofrenia/general fakery as being demonic in origin. Could be wrong, but that’s just what they smell like to me. Not much of a stretch to extend that to the entire human-hating technocratic commie lunatic death cult that makes up the left either.

    1. Hugh Ross spends an entire book making this point in Lights in the Sky and Little Green Men. One of the points that convinced me that he might be right was his reference to a psychological study that showed that the etiology of trauma from alien abductions matched with trauma from encounters with the occult.

  12. You’re right, and it’s scary. I’ve had conversations with liberals about space exploration/colonization. They seem to think we should stay on the Earth because we ruined it and we shouldn’t do that to another planet. When asked if we should stay on Earth and die or move off the planet to survive, the invariably reply that we should stay here and die.

    This wouldn’t bother me if they weren’t in government. Space colonization, especially in it’s early stages, is not going to be friendly to entitled people who don’t want to work. The amount of wealth it takes to support a welfare state won’t exist in the early colonies. Anyone who comes along and won’t do the work is not only likely to die they’re likely to take others with them. It won’t be tolerated.

    But if they can control the government, they can keep us from saving ourselves. That’s why people like Elon Musk are so important. The ability to do for self is the only thing that can ensure continued survival of the species. If the government won’t save the people we’ll have to save ourselves.

    How we manage to launch a self-sustaining colonization effort while concealing it from a government full of over-regulating assholes is a separate issue and one that a guy who has trouble finishing projects doesn’t need to spend too much time thinking about but it may need to happen somehow.

    1. Confining ourselves to one planet until we become extinct is suicide for an entire species and suicide is a sin.

    2. “Oh? You first.”

      Push hard enough, and most will eventually admit they mean the other folks need to die.

  13. “I have nothing, absolutely nothing against hard science fiction, but with very few exceptions, it is only exciting to people who know enough science to understand what’s being done. It’s not how you popularize the idea of space colonization.”

    This. All of this. Hard Sci-fi is difficult to keep up with (as a general rule) for those not up-to-date on the latest theories, those who are bad at math or physics, or who just want to get away from everything for a while and be absorbed in a good story. The original Star Trek was not Hard Sci-fi, and it gave us a slew of new engineers and doctors because so many people wanted to be Scotty or McCoy. I would rather have pseudo-hard sci-fi that produces engineers and doctors because the characters are engaging and the adventures are, as the late Nichelle Nichols said, “morality plays” than the swath of hard sci-fi that reads like a dissertation on higher mathematics or physics. GAH!!!

    1. I’d disagree with that.

      The most popular SF novel of this century — Andy Weir’s The Martian — is clearly hard SF. It (per Nielsen Bookscan) was responsible for a quarter of the total SF sales during the year it came out. And you didn’t need to be up on the latest science, or be good with math or physics — you had an interesting story about an interesting character facing real challenges. The science was wrong in details — but it didn’t matter, because the story was so engrossing.

      1. It is. But it was a certain kind of lightening in a bottle. And note SCIENCE WAS WRONG IN THE DETAILS.
        Most writers use “accurate science” to cage themselves.

        1. Hard SF may get the details wrong, but it’s still hard SF. In “Whirligig World” (Hal Clement’s essay on writing Mission of Gravity — the exemplar of a hard SF story), Hal notes the errors that were found between when Mission was written in 1952 and when the essay was written later.

          Note that Hal was a high school science teacher, and had no advanced degrees in the sciences.

          1. Ben, the thing is The Martian made it big in indie first. Traditional publishing publishes ONLY the most unfun “hard sf ever.” There are exceptions (to everything) but not a ton of them.

            1. There’s almost no hard SF being published by tradpub. And, since tradpub doesn’t publish a lot, it means that they get very few hard SF submissions. It’s a terrible feedback cycle (which I really hate, since hard SF is my favorite subgenre, to the extent that I believe in “subgenre”).

              And yes, Greg Benford, who is the biggest hard SF writer in the US now, is a major physicist. And Alastair Reynolds, the biggest UK hard SF writer, was a professional astrophysicist, before he retired to write full time. But they’re the exceptions, not the rule.

      2. The most popular SF novel of this century — Andy Weir’s The Martian — is clearly hard SF

        On one hand, I congratulate you for making sure that “the most popular SF novel of the century” was this century. Yes this is actually unusual.

        On the other hand, I have literally never heard of it, beyond a vague idea it might be one of those “we go to space and people die” stories, and an “oh, is that a TV thing?” sense.

        In the meantime, I’ve been reading at least 30 scifi books a year.

        And I haven’t exactly been self-isolating since 2015, which the internet tells me is when it was picked up.

        Finding out the metric is “Nielsen Bookscan” kind of explains that result.

        Rather suggests the metric is….impacted.

        1. During the year of its professional publication, there were about 4.5 million SF books published. The Martian sold about 1.5 million of those.

          Nothing in recent history of SF has come close to the book’s success.

          And that doesn’t count the success of the movie.

          1. ….Honey.

            In the time of the sale, irrationally limiting it to the US only, that means one out of two hundred Americans bought it.

            Again, irrationally limiting all sales to the US.


            Nothing in recent history of SF has come close to the book’s success.

            If you limit it to 1) recent SF and 2) bookscan.

            Which, by the energetic defense of the same, holds that only 15% sold less than 15 copies.

            While admitting that 90% sold less than 2k.

            As a defense…..

            1. FOXFIER!! I LOVE THE MARTIAN IT IS A REALLY GOOD BOOK!

              And the movie is actually not bad. But the audiobook was actually almost better, especially since it’s great to spend time walking and cycling while the protagonist walks and drives around on Mars.

              Also, you will learn more beautiful facts about potatoes than Moby Dick ever taught you about whales.

              1. It is a very good book.

                But the first word begins with “F”, which is an indication of how the rest of the book will go.

                So adjust your expectations accordingly.

              2. I’m glad you like it, but comparing it to Moby Dick is maybe not the best sales pitch. 😀

                It also doesn’t add any weight to the apples vs oranges of best selling scifi of this century vs Star Trek, nor manage to outweigh the irony of using a known bad measurement like Nelson Bookscan to prove a claim.

                1. I’ll just chime in – it was really good, and exceedingly nerdy (as in almost all of the viewpoint characters are serious geeks, and it shows)

        2. > “On the other hand, I have literally never heard of it, beyond a vague idea it might be one of those “we go to space and people die” stories”

          It’s much better than that. Both the novel and the movie were pretty decent.

  14. A lot of good points. Yeah, I like the slow genocide angle. And I get there by the evidence of my own senses, namely that, Biden is not and never was in charge of anything. He’s just a place holder, a sock puppet, a bag man (as in, left holding the bag when the scheme is finally, if ever, busted) So who’s running the show? I say obama and his people, who are ‘run’ by either China or the Rich guys like Claws Sclob or soros. And they’ve said on many occasions that their goal is (Georgia Guide Stones) to get the human population down to about half a billion. That’s achievable, given what they ‘re doing to us, slowly bringing sperm counts down, weaponizing the battle of the sexes, promoting Gay, Gay, Gay, Gay, and producing food that turns people into human slugs, and … lots of other cool stuff.

    As far as aliens are concerned, and space travel, I fudged a little FTL stuff into my Talk To a Real, Live Girl book. And I did a book also on ‘aliens,’ but the aliens are not aliens, but rather, Sumerian gods, called The Blue World: Anunnaki Advent.

    Anyway, as usual, your posts are quite stimulating and fun.

    Have a great day, or at least a so so one.

    1. You sound like my son’s (first generation American, of Mexican origin) friend who had a VERY special interpretation of alien vs. predator.
      I wonder if kid ever made it into the airforce. We lost contact when our sons’ went to high school.

      1. I suppose a few predators on the border would help deter illegal invaders. Collateral damage, OTOH…

  15. Personally, I am open to woo-woo stuff, so I think of the Left and their general goals as “Luciferian”, because how would they be any different if they weren’t in service to a demonic force? Plus, it would explain the stuff that Alex Jones claims to have seen happening at the Bohemian Grove (he has them on video!) And if you don’t get that reference, search for “Folk Alex Jones” on YouTube because it is hilarious. Fair warning, it will become an earworm that you won’t be able to get rid of.

    The bottom line is that the Left are anti-human. I think the non-woo-woo explanation is that the European elites decided humans were too awful to exist any more (except them, of course) after the carnage of World War I, and crafted their policies accordingly. But, since they consider themselves the peak of humanity and therefore incapable of making mistakes, they miss the fact that all of the carnage was their own fault. Typical of Leftists, nothing is ever their fault.

    Regarding “humans too dangerous/lost the war and got restricted to Earth” stories, my favorite is “With Friends Like These” by Alan Dean Foster. Spoilers The scene where all of the humans and their farm animals look up simultaneously and declare “The Shield is down!” always gives me an emotional thrill. And of course, when we fly Earth out of its orbit to go to war we would take our moon with us, because we’re sentimental that way.

  16. Me, I’m willing to postulate both aliens and woo woo. One thing I do know; there are far more things twix Evan and the universe than that Horace dreamed up.

    Why shoulder blades for example.? Pelvises are made for walking, shoulder blades for flying, or swinging from limb to limb in treetops. If we evolved from swimmers though four legged walkers why not two pelvises? If we devolved from an alien spacer, no matter if he/she/it wormholed here or multigenerational sailed to crash and burn in early earth’s primeval soup, he/she/it’s decaying cells proving the matrix for life on earth, climbing he/she/it’s avian spiral staircase, shoulder blades make sense.

    Woo woo, things that go grump in the night? In some 84 years of careless observation, I’ve seen, experienced, done, not often but occasionally, amazing things that do not compute, that lack rational explanation.

    So!

    I’m willing to postulate possibilities, but, I strongly contend one and one’s progeny are far more likely to survive and prosper building lives and civilizations around rationality like two plus two equals four even if rarely, occasionally, the answer comes up five.

  17. That was a good discussion for sure and figured it deserved its own post. Glad you decided to post it up! I’m not sure what all’s going on with all this insanity myself, I just hope I can survive it somehow.

  18. Two things.

    First, IMHO the Modern Left is still stuck in Victorian thought. Specifically, Marxism and Thomas Malthus. Like they heard those two things and stopped thinking.

    Second, the Left and space travel. They hate space travel and space science because they have not yet thought of a way to steal the money. Republicans traditionally have been using the military and space as their personal pot of gold, the Lefties have not been able to get a finger in there.

    They hate Elon Musk because A) he’s private enterprise, therefore they don’t get kickbacks from him and B) his Tesla empire leveraged THEIR private peeing tree (environmentalism) and took THEIR government dollars to build a capitalist success story. From which they still don’t get kickbacks.

    The day that the Left starts getting payola from Boeing and Space X is the day that space travel suddenly becomes Kool with the Kool Kidz.

    If aliens were doing all this, they’d be better at it. 😡

      1. Yeah I think this timelines D.D. Harriman had better watch his ass. He’s poking WAY to many people (c.f. one Hilary Clinton) who are prone to rash indirect action. Although the schadenfreude of watching the lefties explode (and Elon taunt them) has got to be some of the best entertainment I’ve had in years…

        1. Buying Twittler and firing all the head Twits right before the November election is God-Emperor level trolling.

          Just watching the despair ooze out of the vile hive of scum and villainy, I have consumed a whole bag of popcorn. It’s a thing of beauty, really. >:D

      2. I’ve been saying for several years now that American leftism is fundamentally a secular version of Calvinism: absolute depravity without irresistible grace. Seen in that light, their objection to space travel becomes a secular version of CS Lewis’s objection to space travel, as represented by his Space Trilogy, in which the first volume ends with humanity forbidden to travel in space. (And yes, in his final years Lewis vociferously objected to the US and Soviet space programs, and was horrified by Kennedy’s mandate to put a man on the moon. He never saw the Apollo landings, but I think he would’ve approved of the subsequent retreat to Low Earth Orbit as restraining ourselves to humanity’s proper scope and reach).

        1. Oxford… Um… Yeah, it’s like Oxford used to have a duty to be the diametric opposite of Cambridge. They both get some weird things stuck in their heads.

          There has never been an obligation in Christianity to remain on Earth during life, and I would argue that a lot of early Christian mysticism was in favor of Up and Out.

          1. As I recall Lewis’s reasoning, both as stated in his objections to the US and Soviet space programs in the early 1960’s and through the characters of Weston and Devine in the Space Trilogy (which he wrote in the 1930’s, when the Old Solar System was still plausible), was that we’d end up repeating all the horrors of colonialism in space, until the heavens would become a thing of horror and shame instead of wonder, and that it was best that we should remain on Earth in a sort of cosmic quarantine of our sin nature.

            1. Nod, the non-Fallen aliens needed to be protected from us Fallen beings.

              Of course, as you said, he was writing when it was reasonable to expect life on Mars and Venus which could include intelligent life.

              If he objected to JFK space program, it may have been because he believed we could find intelligent life on Mars and Venus.

              Oh, I’d note that Roddenberry (creator of Star Trek) originally had Spock as a Martian not a Vulcan. 😉

              1. Amusingly, Brandon Sanderson has a short story in which the protagonist (an employee of a Baby Bell phone company that accidentally discovered telepathy and made contact with aliens) has this view regarding humanity and the various alien races. He does a 180 at the end of the story, though, after he learns what the aliens are really like.

                1. Chuckle Chuckle

                  I personally believe that there may be Un-Fallen species out there but we’ll may never meet them even if we leave this Solar System.

                  Either they’ll be protected so we never find them or they will be very able to protect themselves and we wouldn’t find them unless they want to be found or seen.

              2. In 1963 it may have just barely still been possible to believe that Mars could be the home of intelligent life. I’d have to check exactly when it was definitely known that the atmosphere was so terribly thin (or when it was definitely known that the temperature of Venus was hot enough to melt lead).

                Also Lewis, being a scholar of language and literature rather than astronomy, may well not have realized that the Old Solar System had pretty much been relegated to the dust bin by the latest discoveries.

                1. I believe it was Mariner 4’s flyby and pictures in 1965, showing craters and an utterly barren landscape, no canals, that finally killed Barsoom. Mariner 2 in 1962 was a flyby of Venus and gave scientists better data on its atmosphere, probably enough to calculate what surface conditions had to be. The Soviet Venera 3 in 1965 burned up on atmospheric entry, revealing only that yes, the atmosphere really was that thick. Venera 4 in 1967 didn’t even try to land but did send back measured atmospheric data. (Yes, I’ve been looking this stuff up. background for the story I’m working on. ),

                  1. Even before that , writers were figuring workarounds for Mars. Even Edgar Rice Burroughs had thr “air plant,” to create atmospheres however thin. Lewis’ workaround was to have the Martians already be dying out (though as unfallen beings they accepted that without fear or anxiety) and living in deep valleys/canyons where the remaining atmosphere was concentrated. The other species lived closer to the surface but had another workaround.
                    He did have an interesting view on the interface between (malignant science) and the occult – in his universe, they blend and one leads to the other.

                    1. Well, I can’t really argue the connection between malignant science and the occult. I mean, obviously we all know STEM people who are interested in the occult.

                      And heck, JPL was founded by an occultist. (Yup, LASFA science fiction meetings one night, occult meetings of Ordo Templo Orientis the next night. And I think he had another opprobrious activity on another weeknight, too. All in the same meeting facility.)

                    2. Interesting on the founder of JPL being an occultist. Given I’ve already written a story about an astronaut who’s a huge HP Lovecraft fan and has run afoul of people at JPL, maybe it’s time to do a little research on the history of JPL before I circle back to one novel that’s been on the back burner for a while.

                  2. Lewis at one point stated that he knew at the time that canals weren’t real, but he was drawing on the mythic picture of Mars.

                1. I think dolphins are pretty intelligent. I think it was in some Larry Niven book where Dolphins somehow travelled with humans in space. I beleive they loved laughing. Can’t remember the book name though…(been a long time since high school Sci Fi days.)

                    1. I remember they had spacesuits with water inside and they like to play practical jokes. “Flipper laughs” for those who remember that old TV show. Actually there are a few species on earth whose intelligence is alien to us. Think an elephant caressing it’s calf or the smile on a dog! So we are definitely not alone in the universe!

                    2. I remember they had spacesuits with water inside and they like to play practical jokes. “Flipper laughs” for those who remember that old TV show. Actually there are a few species on earth whose intelligence is alien to us. Think an elephant caressing it’s calf or the smile on a dog! So we are definitely not alone in the universe!

            2. Just because CS Lewis was a very smart and articulate man doesn’t mean he was right about everything. (eyeroll)

              (And I don’t mean to imply that you were saying that he was right)

              For one thing, the problems of “colonialism” are the problems of interactions between people (groups of people). And what that actually has to do with location (on-Earth or off it) is a mystery.

            3. Weren’t ‘the horrors of colonialism’ responsible for drastically reducing infant mortality in Africa? As well as keeping a lid on a lot of the intertribal warfare and slavery?

              And didn’t all those charming ‘indigenous customs’ make a big comeback after the withdrawal of the ‘evil colonial powers’? How long have the Hutus and Tutsis, for example, been massacring each other, aside from that brief interlude?
              ———————————
              Complex questions never have simple answers. Hell, most simple questions don’t have simple answers.

                1. I don’t think I ever had heard that Lewis was against space travel, himself, although I suppose it could be true. Certainly the characters in his Space trilogy are worried about colonialism and an “earth quarantine,” but I always took it as kind of a joke, an medievalist poking fun at the sf genre that he clearly enjoyed reading. Because it does seem to be a joke against several of the most popular sf stories of the times when the individual books were released.

                  I do know that there was this pacifist, anti-atomic, but still somewhat conservative philosopher chick at Oxford at that time, who was very influential. There’s a blogger I follow who brings her up every year around Hiroshima bombing day. And it’s pretty annoying because he keeps insisting that any and all reasons for using the atomic bomb are invalid, because this chick said so, and Truman is a war criminal because this chick said so. But she doesn’t seem to have been so strong against Idi Amin or other war criminals who didn’t use high tech means.

                  (Looks it up) Ah, yes. Elizabeth Anscombe. “I am a massive twit, but I put points in Charisma.” She started out wanting to prove that the Nazis were objectively wrong, decided that “Nazis killed X many people” was an objective case for them being evil… and then
                  decided that anybody else who killed people was also evil, even if it was in self-defense and the other side wouldn’t stop attacking. Or even if the other side was killing its own people.

                  And of course, at that rate you would end up forbidding surgeons to do surgery, unless they could absolutely guarantee that the patient would never ever die on the table. And obviously a woman who killed her rapist would be the most evil of the two, because rape isn’t murder, oh no!

                  So yeah, I suspect this kind of thinking might have started to paralyze Lewis, the same way a lot of English people seem to have frozen up at a certain point. The British Empire wasn’t the greatest thing, but it wasn’t the worst. And Indian countries were doing plenty of conquering and ruling each other for the last few thousand years, just as were all the other areas conquered by the British Empire. I don’t think they ever conquered more than two or three totally peaceful, non-expansionist tribes or kingdoms, whereas everybody seems to be in fear that every place was a utopia until colonialists came along.

            4. No. The aliens if they exist might be worth than us. As for horrors of colonialism, he should TASTE the horrors of post colonialism.
              Being good doesn’t mean you’re smart, alas.

              1. Lewis was deeply horrified by the part of Olaf Stapleton’s Last and First Men in which humanity, having worn out Earth in endless warfare, settles Mars and in the process wipes out the Martians. To him, the very idea was Satanic — hence the part in Out of the Silent Planet about the peoples of Malacandra having briefly clamored to flee to Earth when the Bent Oyarsa assaulted and wounded their world, and their subsequent stoic acceptance that their species would die with their planet, because it and it alone was theirs.

                It’s also possible that he thought the great mass of mundanes wouldn’t understand his objections to Stapleton’s novel, but they would understand his objections in terms of Earthly colonialism, so he phrased it that way. However, given that he is no longer with us, anything beyond what he said or wrote is speculation.

        2. It may have been the humiliation of knowing there were people with the skill and the courage to mount a space program.

          1. If you read early sf, everybody assumed that the UK would have a space program. Certainly the RAF was up there. But that weird anxiety to keep rationing so that the UK could “pay back” the US, when the US didn’t really want to be paid back.. I think that killed off any thoughts of a UK moon program or space station, even though Doctor Who and Supermarionation kept presenting the UK in space. And then there was Fleming’s Moonraker book, which is quite interesting but very depressing in a lot of ways.

            I don’t think the post-war UK space program was more than some experimental rockets, and that was really about missiles and not space. Which was sad.

      3. There is always the possibility that they are bigger a-holes than I’ve been thinking. ~:D My brain doesn’t really go down those tracks, I can’t even write dialog for them.

        I can see them lying, but I can’t really understand why if its not about power or money. So weird.

      4. Yeah. The push from the left is always a claim that “We must take the money that we’re wasting on space exploration and use it to help the poor!” They’ve been saying that for decades. Never mind that NASA’s entire budget is a drop in the bucket when compared to the Federal budget.

        Fortunately, space exploration is generally popular with the public at large.

        1. Federal help (I.e. handouts) to the poor has arguably done more harm than good, especially in its destructive effect on families. Government is about laws and regulations; it’s (pardon the language) piss poor at charity. If Robin Hood wasn’t a myth and indeed stole from the rich and gave to the poor, it would buy him a certain about of popularity, but it wouldn’t make him any less a thief. And he certainly took a hefty cut for himself and his Merry Men first.

          In December it will have been 50 years since the last astronaut left the moon. For a real enthusiast, that’s not progress, that’s stagnation.

            1. Political candidate: “Vote for me ! Tax the rich!! Give to the poor!!”
              Voter: “You ARE the rich. Why not cut taxes and just let me keep what I have earned?”
              PC: “You greedy, selfish, oppressive, capitalist pig! Your taxes aren’t high enough.”

              Now, in a medieval setting where the strong rule and pretend it’s by divine right, and the ordinary people have no recourse, I can see the appeal of a Robin Hood. It’s still theft. But in modern society, the one who plays Robin Hood IS the tax collector.

            2. It was even more precise than that– he stole from tax collectors WHO WERE TAKING MORE THAN WAS OWED, and giving it back to the victims.

              IE, original stole-from-the-thieves.

            3. Depends on which variant. Even the heroic versions in the Victorian era seldom did. And as for the ballads — there’s one where the news of his coming is greeted with panic-stricken and prudent running away.

          1. Indeed. Robin Hood was the leader of a gang of thieves. Although technically, he was MADE a criminal by the powers that be. Hmm. Now why does that sound so familiar????

            1. Well, there was the version where he murdered some men because they refused to pay up on a bet. It’s the oldest origin story. (There were a lot of tales before it. Many more Merry Men have older origins.)

        2. Now they’re angry with Musk for buying Twitter when he could have used that money to “end world hunger.”
          Sigh.. This one goes back a ways, right to Judas, who was angry with Mary anointing Jesus feet, “because that ointment could have been sold for 300 denarii and the money given to the poor.” Of course, John then comments that he said this because he was the disciples’ treasurer and was stealing from the common purse.

  19. I suspect it is mostly just envy. They envy the people who had families, who worked hard to get ahead, who read more than they every could and understood much of it, and achieved great things.

    I heard about a great grandfather who apparently sailed two handed in an open boat across the Mediterranean in order to apprentice as a cabinet maker, then migrated to America, joined the army, fought and was wounded in WWI, had a family, and as a hobby, read massive books on everything. And we know he actually read them because when my folks were cleaning out his stuff, they found he had left notes in all the books!

    I doubt I’ll ever equal that, but I’ve had my own achievements, and frankly it’s awesome to find out he was like that.

    But a lot of people haven’t done stuff like that, and have ended up spending it in wasted pursuits. They may have been rewarded early on for grievance work, and invested so much of their lives that they think they could never live anything else. And the choice becomes tell yourself you’re really happy, or abandon your current life as wasted.

    If they get enough other people telling them they’re really happy, then maybe they’ll believe it.

    1. We follow with baby steps in the footsteps of giants like your great grandfather. Hard to fill shoes like those!

  20. I’ll go with the explanation that the well dressed gentleman whose perfume can’t quite hide the stench of brimstone is invisibly orchestrating the assault on the human race. I can’t entirely swallow either an alien or a purely human conspiracy, but a diabolical one? Oh yes. “I am no devil, for there is none” is a subtle and effective whisper.

    As for the science fiction, I’m working on it…I’m working on it. I’m one of those geeks who likes his science and his science fiction hard…but not too hard. In a former life, I wanted to be an engineer, and I still give the profession fond glances. I’m taking my inspiration from Heinlein, Clarke, Hal Clement, Norton, (although I’m not following her into psionics and fantasy). Michael Flynn’s “Firestar” series, Cherryh, and Bujold, And several others. And from real space program history. I don’t want the science to get too speculative, either, I’m telling a human story after all. Since I have been advised to tell the story rather than talk about it, I think I should shut up and concentrate on the next scene rather than a blog comment.

  21. It may be the exception that proves the rule, but President Obama wasn’t hostile to space flight. Maybe he just didn’t care, but the government under his administration did a lot of the things necessary for SpaceX (and others) to succeed. Mainly by not actively getting in the way, but still, not being an obstruction is a kind of support.

      1. 100%. Private couldn’t do it, so hamstring NASA and shut down the shuttle program. Ergo, no more spaceflight. I still remember trying not to cry when they announced the shuttle program was essentially being closed down and we would have to rely on Russia to get our astronauts up to the ISS.

        1. Also, shut down the launch system program that had been worked on during Dubya’s presidency, and replace it with a completely new system that will take a long time to finish even if it’s delivered on time, and will provide lots of opportunities for graft for the Congresscritters whose districts the work ends up taking place in.

          Frankly, that ticks me off more than the shuttle. After the Columbia accident, and the delays for safety checks that followed, I started to get the sense that the shuttles were showing their age.

          1. Too big and too expensive to fail. Therefore extremely conservative flight profiles and inadequate testing. Therefore almost guaranteed to fail anyway.
            Arthur C. Clarke, in his preface to Rama II, had an essay about the psychological effects of an aging population on attitudes toward space exploration. From what I recall of it, he was right. The space program rode the wave of the Baby Boom. It wasn’t just the shuttles that were showing their age, it was the whole program.

        2. I was working for Hughes Aircraft (satellite division) during the 90’s and we hated the shuttle program. Hated it with the hate of a furious thousand suns. The US government demanded that all satellites fit on the shuttle, and no other rockets could be launched. But the backlog was years long, and the shuttle bay was incredibly small. Plus the Gov could bump our satellites whenever they had a military satellite, or a pet project of a government agency like determining if tea would grow in a weightless atmosphere.

          So Hughes went to Europe, and China, to launch our satellites, and still there was a terrible backlog. Today we have private enterprise launching our satellites. Ending the shuttle program was the best thing for space travel.

          I believe NASA morphed (or was always intended) to thwart space exploration. I still hate NASA, and I’ve been out of the biz for decades.

    1. You are mistaking Obama’s ability to screw up for a lack of malice.

      Fundamentally, he will not allow himself to understand a market economy. Thus, he often errs trying to sabotage it.

      1. OK, fair enough. Now y’all can see just how much attention I actually pay to politics. So I’ll put this one down to unintended consequences, and just be thankful that he didn’t realize how he screwed up in time to stop it.

    2. … am I misremembering or wasn’t Obama the one who decided that NASA’s mission should be Muslim outreach?

      It’s an awful weird way to sabotage a space program, but…

  22. Thanks to our host and the comments that have been made – I’ve been thinking that there is a small (delusional) segment of humanity that have managed to gain influence and have captured political power and are now struggling with cultural issues. The human animal just doesn’t work the way the ‘left’ types think. It’s hard wired into the human to have a family and identify with an alike group but the entire effort by the ‘left’ is to deny that basic fact and do its best to destroy any attempt at it.

    So, yes there are aliens and it is the humans that are somehow “wired wrong” and have been trying to impose their unworkable ideas. Go back in history (100 years plus) and you see success in the development of America where a bunch of folks wanted to have family and local community. It worked then and can work again – the answer ain’t in the big city with high rise living and commuter trains but rather spread out and individually independent. Eh, just my thinking.

  23. Aliens in pop culture are woo-woo. In fact, if you compare them objectively to the — ehem — Good Folk, without preconceived boxes of “magic” vs. “science,” it is clear that the Good Folk make more sense, since they are similar in bizarre actions, and the Good Folk don’t have to have ventured here across interstellar distances.

    Sleep paralysis is also better explained by demons or elves than aliens. (A gimlet eye might notice that elves and such provide explanations for the crushing weight and malignant presence which in fact the modern day science can’t explain.)

  24. A sufficiently advanced civilization is basically magic to the ignorant.

    That’s why we had such a proliferation of superstitious practices during COVID.

    Social distancing, masks, plexiglass barriers, following every order from on high lest you be cast into the outermost darkness and shunned and every other stupid policy that had no basis in science no matter what they said.

    Now, whether it was aliens or demons behind it, well, would we be able to tell the difference really if we came upon them face to inhuman visage?

    I’m guessing it’s six of one, half dozen of the other. But if it’s demons and the woo woo is true, I’d say we have a better shot since we have angel armies as potential allies.

    If it’s aliens, we’re probably on our own in a hostile universe.

    1. On the other hand, if it’s aliens, we’re probably too much trouble to conquer. Easier to find another planet not occupied by bad-tempered natives.

      1. All inhabited planets are probably like that. Short of installing ortillery and being willing to raze major cities with said ortillery because a few people did something the aliens didn’t like, you would need a ridiculous number of troops to occupy a planet and keep it under control.

        1. Orbital bombardment to handle major rebel forces and the “evil” aliens might find Quislings to handle “minor” problems. 😉

  25. I believe that there must be aliens out there, somewhere. I don’t buy that all the coefficients of the Drake Equation can evaluate to exactly 1.

    They’re just not visiting us secretly and abducting random rednecks for shits and giggles.
    ———————————
    Delenn: “There are beings in the universe billions of years older than either of our races. Once, long ago, they walked among the stars like giants, vast and timeless. They taught the younger races, explored beyond the Rim, created great empires. But to all things, there is an end. Slowly, over a million years, the First Ones went away. Some passed beyond the stars, never to return. Some simply disappeared.”

  26. First reaction?

    Leftists tend toward/are narcissists.

    The last thing a narcissist wants is for their prey/sources of sadism to have a chance to get away. Or even the idea that they might.

    …And colonizing other planets is the ultimate getaway.

  27. Remember, Leftists are not terribly smart. Space travel makes heroes of Very Smart People. The sort of people who spent their college years studying Calculus, Celestial Mechanics, Materials Engineering, Aircraft Stability and Control, and Rocket Propulsion. Not Grievance Studies, Drugs, and Booze.

    And then magnified their offense by going to the middle of nowhere to ply the flight tester’s trade. Rural farmland on the East Coast, deserts on the West Coast…places where you can’t get a latte or see a Broadway show.

    No…mustn’t allow Those People to do great things. The voters might get ideas about putting THEM in charge…

  28. Having said that, I am convinced that a one-race interstellar empire will be relatively small. You’ll count the planets on your fingers. The population numbers just don’t add up.

    Let’s look at the economics. 150 years ago, a child with a 7th grade education, 13 years old, was considered fit to enter the workforce. He might not make much money, but he was no longer a net drag on the family’s finances. 75 years ago, a 12th grade education, 18 years old, was considered ready for the workforce. Today? We’re talking about at least a 4-year college education or a good vocational schooling. 20-22 years old, and they expect some sort of vehicle (even if old) thrown in on top so they can get around. The cost to rear a child to economic self-sufficiency has increased dramatically.

    Adam Smith and Thomas Malthus had an argument…and economics won out. Somehow, I don’t see this changing in a civilization capable of building starships.

  29. The world tires me. It tires me on so many levels it’s not even funny.

    I had to get vaccinated because it was the only way I could stay where I was, go to school to finish my degree program, get any benefits because I lost my job when the Crow Flu destroyed the travel industry (and overseas employment on a major scale in places like China and India).
    People calling me names when I get angry about how shows are being run by people that don’t like the materials and make it very clear that if the source material gets in the way…they’ll just push it out of the way.
    Be told that I’m a racist bigoted sexist homophobic TERF Trump-supporter because I’m asking questions about things like what happened with Nancy Pelosi’s husband, the sudden urge to force boys and girls who are idiot hormone bombs to irrevocably declare themselves in the current mental health fad of the day, and why are we doing everything we can to make people afraid and terrified of everything and anything.
    Watching as my friends join the Cult Of The Left and scream in bloody fury about things that ten years ago…fifteen years ago, they would have been on the other side. And willing to guard my shoulder as I guarded theirs.

    I’m tired of watching people who are trying to survive rather than trying to live.
    I’m tired of wondering why I’m the one that has to stand outside in the rain, watching as other people have love and joy.
    I’m tired of…being tired of dealing with this world.

    This isn’t a cry for help or someone to tell me to put down the shotgun or the pill bottle. This little core of spite won’t let me go into the night quietly.

    But, short of active malice, what more could our opposition have done if they actually were demons or aliens that hate humanity and want to see us destroyed?

    I don’t know. And that’s what really scares me.

    1. There are demons. They are working against us. They’re not as good at it as they think they are because they understand all that is vile and are confused by all that is good. They seem to remember it like an echo, but can’t see without distortion. Likely if they could, they would have done much, much more damage.

      Just… a little something I hope eases at least some of it.

      Cup your hands before you,
      Catch a tiny spark of joy,
      A little piece of hope
      That’s all the saints employ.

      A tiny piece of hope,
      Friends drawing near.
      Perhaps we’re far away,
      Yet we are still here.

      When all you feel is empty,
      And the rain’s enough to drown.
      Turn your collar up and then
      Lift eyes that once were down.

      Alone you do not wander,
      A spark yet shows the way.
      And we here stand beside you.
      Though we are far away.

      Though you yet are weary,
      Though the burdens still be strong.
      Light yet stands before you,
      And night gives way to dawn.

        1. Mine. Others gent snuck up on by the phantom soapbox (though that one will get me from time to time, too). I get snuck up on by the poetry bug.

          1. Your poems are wonderful…. I’ve written a verse or two in my time. Just sharing and not in a “Poetry duel to the death” which you would likely win! LOL

            This recent one sums up my feelings of the current state of America… (in the vein of Yeats “Second Coming”.

            “Washington Winter”

            A people of digitized grey faces
            Never thinking but fully programmed,
            In patriotic display without sound,
            The soldiers rest eternally
            Worn down by wars so weary.
            On the subway their numbers abound
            Suffering a life so dreary
            Wearing warm clothing as armor
            As minds transcend their white-washed world.

            Marble statues and granite monuments
            Stood as silent tributes and reminders
            That should have lasted for eternity
            But were torn down and turned into dust
            By grinding wheels in an age of ignorance.
            A paradox of wealth and poverty
            Their facades built like Potemkin villages.
            Columbia towers over all sharing with charity.
            She is a mother, the best of her breed
            Struggling for her children to succeed.
            An urban blight monitors the night
            Over a dusty, thirsty land in need of hope.
            Give her again enough freedom,
            And the world will envy her kingdom.

              1. I prefer more though the battle of wits to the death in the movie “the Princess Bride”.
                Inconceivable!

                1. But remember, Vizinni lost the battle of wits just by agreeing to it in the first place. He proved himself the idiot by giving up the advantage of a hostage for a fair fight!

                  1. That’s where he choose wrongly.

                    If you watch the dialog carefully, the Man In Black never DOES say that there is poison in only one.

          1. Eh, I’d say several people here have levels in Bard. She’s just the one that specializes in poetry.

            Thankfully, this crowd’s not very spoony. 😛

    2. Fistbump of solidarity I decided a long time ago spite would help keep me alive.

      Mind, it is, in the long run, preferable to find more hopeful reasons. But first you have to stay alive that long.

      Spite can do that. Other people might say it’s a totally negative emotion, I can’t agree. Spite can do the trick when all else fails.

  30. “a well-dressed gentleman of wealth and taste whose expensive perfume can never fully disguise an underlying whiff of brimstone.”

    Or as Atlus Games refers to him, Mr. Cypher.

    First name Louis.

    😛

  31. I’m not going to try to address the evils of the radical Left, because I simply can’t decipher that much psychosis.

    As far as aliens go, however, I’ll have to disagree with our hostess in broad, but in agree in fine. It’s my opinion ( I sadly can’t back it up with numbers, because I didn’t get Probability & Statistics before I washed out of college) that, while there are probably planets out there with alien life forms that have similarities to us, there are no alien visitors here.

    Consider:
    1) If aliens have tech to enable them to visit us, they are at the very least 100 years more advanced than we are right now, and were that advanced by the time of the very first UFO sightings, meaning that they would have to be even more advanced by the amount of time since then.
    2) Unless we’re actually at or near the summit of scientific knowledge, it’s almost guaranteed that a civilization that far in advance of us would have stealth capabilities far enough beyond us to be almost completely undetectable to us.
    3) In order to be travelling the vast distances between stars, the technology would have to be orders of magnitude more reliable than our normal vehicle construction.

    Thus, in order for this hyper-advanced tech that must be insanely reliable to be having enough failures for even 1% of the utterly unexplainable sightings of high confidence to be real, the number of vehicles that must be surrounding our planet at any given time would have to be so high that we could hardly launch anything without significant danger of hitting one of their ships, or causing one of them to hit another as they tried to dodge out of the way. So I think there are no visiting aliens, because we don’t have any unexplainable explosions in space.

    1. Or, as my main character puts it in the story I’m working on, “Anything we can detect with our primitive technology is not an interstellar spacecraft. If aliens were here, we would never see them.”

      1. Why bother with stealth? We are no significant threat, as a species rival, to visitors 500 years ahead in technology.

        We currently send multi- decade high-reliable missions to distant planets. Voyager 1 and 2 are masterpieces of harsh environment reliability. Various Mars rovers continue roving well past their likely fail dates.

        Assuming cheap, reliable FTL, we may be seeing drone probes of an alien NASA, or seeing joyrides by alien college students on season breaks.

        “Watch these humans freak out over the directional signals!”

        1. Why would they bother to turn their stealth systems off? And who’s to say we’re no threat? Oh, sure, they could defeat any force we could send against them, but a few atomic bombs might be enough to ruin any alien’s day. Even if not, they would certainly be disruptive, and worth avoiding.

          See the chapter in The Apocalypse Troll where the Shirmaksu squadron tangles with a carrier battle group. The Navy gets the worst of it, but they take down several alien space ships.

          Now, in my story, the extraterrestrial technology is a couple thousand years ahead of ours…
          ———————————
          “Then what would you call People Of Color?”

          She returned a completely blank look. “People.”

  32. Thank you, Sarah.

    Partly, I hate it when people write down the thought in my head. Even when it reassures me that I’m not really the only one.

    Partly I like CS Lewis’s Science Fiction that states we’re separated from the rest of the good kids because we’re tainted by Adam’s sin (Out of the Silent Planet, etc.)

  33. Aliens, woo woos, bumpers in the night, in reading and enjoying fiction suspension of disbelief is a given.

    Sadly such suspension seems to be expected when reading, watching or listening to most anything presented by our present government, the media, even academia.

  34. On a slightly different front I saw something very odd in the news. Kamala Harris alleged VP and champion word salad artist is coming to Boston to “help” Maura Healy current Democrat candidate for Governor of Massachusetts tomorrow. I see three possible ways to read this

    1) The puppet masters in the Whitehouse are shipping Kamala out to get her out from underfoot and stop her incessant whining about not being useful or needed and figure she can’t do much harm in deepest blue Boston/Mass.

    2) Things are so bad with Maura Healy’s campaign that they are sending Kamala to Boston to get the Democrat true believers and various minority groups whipped up to come out and vote as currently they are unenthusiastic about Maura.

    3) some mix of 1 and 2

    I’m not sure 2 even makes sense. Maura is a meh candidate from the Democrat point of view being a white woman, and being current Attorney General although she WAS head of the Civil rights division before that. But this is frickin’ Massachusetts. Her opponent Geoff Diehl is an actual conservative/ populist in the Trumpian/DeSantis mold. He has slightly less chance of becoming governor than a paper dog has of crossing Hell. Between painting him as a Trump supporter, his being a republican of the non-squish type and the usual Mass. election fortifications/cheats in the 99%+ blue cities Diehl is not a good bet, probably 10-1 against.

    I also note they are NOT sending her to NH (a mere hour away by car, less by helicopter) where there is a potentially tight senate race of Hassan(incumbent, annoying liberal jerk, hater of personal liberties of any sort, but I repeat myself) vs Bolduc (Republican, maybe non RINO, tends to run off at the mouth). It’s telling they’re NOT sending Kamala there for fear her massive ineptitude and Obama like anti-Midas touch. If I’m wrong the Mass. Governors race may be in flux, and if that’s so Katie bar the door that Red Tsunami seems more probable than I had thought.

    1. Kari Lake, the Republican candidate for Arizona Governor, recently gave a public thank you to Liz Cheney for endorsing Democrat candidates in Arizona and even claimed that it was an in-kind campaign contribution. Trolling, to be sure, but given how thoroughly Ms. Cheney was trounced in her primary for being a better Democrat than she was a Republican, I wonder what she thought she was trying to accomplish.

      1. I heard rumors Maggie Hassan (NH candidate) told the DNC to keep their people (especially Turnip ion Chief and Willy’s side piece) OUT of NH for fear they’d screw a tight race up. Also the RNC decided to screw Bolduc by stopping funding, Likely because he is more of the trumpian mold and not a RINO surrender monkey. Arizona is like lightly bluish purple. The last time MA voted for a Republican presidential Candidate was when Mondale got utterly trounced by Reagan in 1984, MA is pretty much a one party state except for a few suburban holdouts. That may change if blue collar types start going over to the Republicans. The Cities will stay blue/bluish, but the tight in urban suburbs may start going purple to red and that might do some odd things to the MA congressional delegation over time as well as the state reps.

    2. Yeah, I met Don Bolduc. He’s nominally a conservative. But he’s evidently one of those that you have to do the “trust, but verify” for everything he says or does. I say that because of his flip-flopping on the 2020 election fraud – changing his tune to garner more votes is…dishonest. Now Karoline Leavitt, the one running for U.S. House, she’s pretty much a dyed-in-the-wool Trumpian. I haven’t seen or heard a flip flop from her since she first started campaigning over a year ago. I’m not worried about her at all.

  35. I’ve always been puzzled by the cui bono part of the question. It’s clear that a certain number of people, many of them in positions of power want most of the population to die off. Are they that deluded by underpants gnome thinking that they really believe life will be better for them if 98% of the population dies? That’s why the mind wanders to aliens who want us all wiped out. That, at least, would be rational. Unfortunately, I think it more likely that their mind is just incapable of thinking things through.

    1. “Are they that deluded by underpants gnome thinking that they really believe life will be better for them if 98% of the population dies?”

      But just think of how much easier it will be for them to find a place to park! And the lines at the local fair trade organic sustainably sourced vegan coffee place will be sooo much shorter!

  36. Isn’t it a little bizarre that

    A. aliens: The prospect that there is life, and possibly minds elsewhere in the universe.

    and

    B. aliens: Everything springing out of the woo impulse.

    are almost entirely different/disjoint subjects/mental-realms with very little overlap? I’m pretty optimistic about A, while being annoyed at B.

  37. The space travel groupies and the woo-woo types have had significant overlap for a very long time, at least since the days when occultist Jack Parsons of JPL used to get letters from Aleister Crowley telling him that this L.Ron Hubbard character sounded shady, and Robert “My Wife Before Ginni Was a Real Witch” Heinlein was sending supportive letters to the author of Mists of Avalon, and the composer of this charming piece about the Telstar satellite was dabbling in the occult and claiming to receive visitations from Men in Black: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0jUvufQgQo

    C. S. Lewis drew a sharp and I think authentic portrayal of the people who start out proclaiming rationality, and then, because they refuse to rule out hypotheses that their moral instincts should warn them against, end by proclaiming woo. Unlike him I have no moral objection to space travel. My attitude is more, “I don’t care, get back to me when you have a workaround for the speed of light, or a more economically plausible way to terraform Mars, and a better reason to do it than, ooh, one of the five billion catastrophes the media threatens us with yearly actually might happen. Tell me how it can be ‘realistically’ a fun thing, instead of the system-wide hellhole of bad lighting, bad politicking, and life in tin cans lived under military levels of attention to routine and discipline, as depicted in stuff like The Expanse, and I might bring myself to care.”

    I have no problem with Musk trying to set himself up as Techlord of Mars; it’s his money, and there are much worse ways for him to spend it, and maybe the horse will learn how to sing. I do have a problem with people who believe with religious fervor that intrasystem space travel will somehow solve all (or most) of our problems. Humans bring human nature, and therefore human problems, with us wherever we go.

  38. As one who takes the Bible seriously, there are some very weird things that happen. Angels are a standard item. Prophecy is expected. God, who is weirder than any alien, and His Son, seem to have a special relationship with mankind. Paul talks of visiting the “3rd Heaven”. Ezekiel sounds like he has taken acid, with the strange things he sees, and talks to. Then you have Revelation that describes what sounds like a large asteroid hitting the ocean, described by someone who does not know about asteroids.

    So I have to take very seriously the idea that there is strangeness even greater then quantum mechanics. I think you cannot understand the universe only by science. The universe seems to need an observer. The universe seems designed for life and free will. Free will and predestination, one of the crucial paradoxes of the universe. So woo-woo seems an essential part of creation.

    My take on aliens is that we are likely the only intelligent creation. When you look at all the improbable things that had to happen to make our lives possible, your chances of winning powerball November 2nd, seem much more likely. Just going from single cell to multiple cell is a long-shot, since we seem a chimera.

  39. Coming in a bit late.

    But if this were true what would be different?

    An alien species advanced enough to plant us here (never mind the fossil record that pretty much indicates that we “grew up” here and were sufficiently genetically compatible with Neanderthals, Denisovand, et al, to interbreed with them without “technological assistance”) then they are advanced enough to have rendered us extinct. Therefore, for the idea to be viable, there has to be a reason they’re keeping us around or have failed to finish the job.

    1. ??? I almost never listen to the radio (wehre’s a good Goth rock/Gothic metal station when you need one?) so perhaps I’ve been lucky enough to avoid this one as none come to mond.

      1. Humans created a doomsday weapon that would destroy the galaxy if all humans were killed. Humans emit a unique, unduplicatable, quantum-entangled, frequency that prevents a dead man switch from triggering. (How much handwavium buzzwording do I need for this?) /laugh

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        blockquote>If the hypothesis that appeared in a lot of pulp age SF that humans were “the old ones” of the Galaxy (or the universe) who lost a war, and whose remnants were sent to Earth in exile,
        That’s the line I specifically had in mind when I wrote that. It’s a not uncommon trope (David Weber’s “Heirs of Empire” is a better than average example of same). Never mind anyway. The point remains that if they’re advanced enough to cross trillions of miles to manipulate our species (or, more impressively, to do the manipulation without crossing those trillions of miles, then they’re more than advanced enough to render us extinct if they really wanted us gone. No need for all the pussy-footing around. Just an engineered bug that’s geared to only attack humans, air communicable, long incubation period where it is communicable, and about as lethal as rabies. Boom, no more human race.

        1. Chuckle Chuckle

          One Harry Turtledove story had some aliens meeting some humans in an off-world bar.

          These aliens were of an older species that had fallen to internal war but were on the back up.

          Once the aliens learned “who humans were and what was our home world”, they were shocked. According to them humans shouldn’t exist anymore.

          It seems that their species had visited Earth long before human civilization (of any type) had started and founded us to be nasty types that weren’t worth conquering (or at least too much trouble to conquer).

          So the explorers who found Earth “whipped up” a nasty respiratory disease that was sure to wipe out humans.

          Then one of the humans sneezed as he had the common cold. 😆

        2. Oh. That I meant that humans had gone from here to the galaxy, but having lost, we were quarantined here. (Given FTL the age of our species accommodates that. What I didn’t understand was your assumption we’d evolved elsewhere/been seeded)
          Obviously the aliens attempting to confine us either have an opposition to shedding our blood and/or were STILL afraid of us.

        3. Oh and if you do a deep dive you’ll find that the human evolution theory on EARTH “with remains” gets more threadbare the more you look. Their arguments are those of humanities, not sciences.
          AND…. why are you assuming the other “human species” would be native?
          I’d be assuming they were different human species speciated on OTHER WORLDS. Which would explain why there’s only one here now.
          Not that this was my point in the post. It wasn’t even close to my mind, which is why your comment puzzled me.
          BUT um…. the multiplicity of species into one is mighty weird.

          1. Well, it could be that H.Sap. is the most efficient killer of all homo species. We could conceivably kill most living things on the planet. Our targeted killing ability still needs a lot of refinement; especially at the microbial level. Don’t know how good our Kaiju and planetary sized organism killing capabilities are either; we haven’t run into any of those yet, so it’s all theoretical.

            1. Although Given how the Neanderthals and Denisovans ended up the motto of early man might be ” Make Love, Not War” 🙂 . Although i deeply suspect there might not have been a lot of consent there, taking the women of conquered tribes as tribute is an ancient pastime.

              1. ROFLMFAO!
                There’s a mildly risque’ anime called Harem in the Labyrinth of Another World where the MC is asking his two serving girls about what each race is good at. Wolf people being best as “beast warriors”, dwarves being best at “blacksmithing”. Turns out humans are supposed to be best as “sex maniacs”.

                1. It’s more than ‘mildly risque’ unless you saw a censored version. The even funnier part is that the main character advances a level in ‘Sex Maniac’. One of the bennies is increased endurance. 😀

                  1. All I saw in the version was blocked out views, and it was questionable whether or not it was deliberately filmed that way, or if it was censored. Guess it was censored. But then I’m used to topless or nude beaches so my view of risque is probably different than yours.

          2. I always like the Pak from Niven’s Protector (and later things, but that is a spoiler 🙂 ) in that vein of H. Sap is an offshoot of something much older.

  40. WOW WOW WOW WOW…..WOW. THIS is the most intense, profound, heavy hitting thing I have read in years, you state perfectly what is lurking in countless minds and glad you did not at all discount the diabolical/demonic. Plus, unconfirmed reports of US troops now in Ukraine, the Biden’s favorite money laundering facility… so I suppose the only alternative to walking off into the woods with a length of rope and a stool, is to dig in even harder, stay prayed up, as well as locked and loaded. Keep up the phenomenal work.

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