Happy Pilgrims-Renounced-Communism-and-Didn’t-Starve Day

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Today is on the same day as the first thanksgiving. Let’s hope it’s not a tie up of the story…

I’m very scared for our country today, but still praying. I’m grateful I got to live in this country, when it was still mostly free.

I might sit down and watch 1776. I might cry a little.

The reading for this bitter sweet day is The Long watch by Robert A. Heinlein.

75 thoughts on “Happy Pilgrims-Renounced-Communism-and-Didn’t-Starve Day”

  3. Happy Thanksgiving!

    And for those wonderful feminists, who love to erase successful women of the past to boost their own trivial achievements, thank you, Sarah Hale. A very successful female editor; a very successful poet, who the people of tomorrow will still recite, and the champion of a national day of Thanksgiving.

  5. Official ATH Thanksgiving Word Fill

    Can you solve it?

    H_LL_RY CL_NT_N W_LL N_V_R B_ PR_S_D_NT

    (_ND J__ B_D_N PR_B_BLY W_N’T __TH_R)

  6. Don’t forget ‘Requiem’

    Home is the sailor, home from the sea
    And the hunter home from the hill

  8. I am thankful for the time I had with those who have gone on ahead, and the time I have still with those still with us. I am thankful that I live in the greatest country in the history of the world, and that hope still remains. I am thankful for all of the Huns in this remarkable assembly that Sarah has brought together. And I am thankful that my life has spanned the time of Ronald Reagan and of Donald Trump, and the time of Werner Von Braun, with all his faults, and Elon Musk, with all his.

    Thank you all for being here.

    Happy Thanksgiving.

  9. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

    I’m an eternal optimist, although I admit to having occasional paranoid episodes in a past life (>50 years ago). It resulted in my spouse and I moving to Switzerland for 8 1/2 years. Over that time period I learned a lot about the “monolithic communist state”. I watched the Spaniards vote the communists in, then six months later vote them out. I talked at length with the head of the solid state physics department of the University of Prague.and learned how much the Czechs detested the communists. I met Germans from Rostock, Estonians. Latvians, and none of them could have been called remotely communist sympathizers. So what? So even if, and it’s not a given, the Washington slime succeed in stealing this election, it will be a Pyrrhic victory. IF they worried about the Tea Party movement, and they really did, they’ll be passing bricks when they see what’s coming at them in 2 years. People are angry, not just pissed, they’re angry. Angry enough to have Madame G called up from retirement. The down ticket slots are going to be filled by suddenly motivated patriots, looking to clean up City Hall, not just drain the swamp.

    I’m hearing from people I thought were “moderates” and they’re no longer moderate.

    As Goldwater famously said in 1964, “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.”

    Reading the speech will give you goosebumps.

    2. If we let them get away with this fraud, elections are done. we can’t vote them out. This is fraud all the way through.
      Anger, yes. But it’s not elections that will fix this.

      1. Yes, it is, but the mystery is how to do it at this stage and how to get organized in a country with every second person seemingly woeking to destroy the country that nutured their desires to destroy those that feed them.

          1. You may be right, but an additional fourth are mindnumbered followers who are incapable of processing facts and arguments and will do anything their Marxist handlers tell them to do with emotional trigger words. We are still faced with what can we do at this eleventh hour that will stop the US turning into Venezuela.

    3. It was not suddently bred.
      It will not swiftly abate.
      Through the chilled years ahead,
      When Time shall count from the date
      That the Saxon American began to hate.

      (Apologies to Kipling, although I think he would understand.)

    4. 2 years?

      Do you think 80 million people are Charlie Brown waiting for Lucy the Communist to hold the ball still so we can have another “chance” in two years?

      To use a poker term, both sides are “All In”. It’s just the majority of the sheeple don’t realized it.

      1. While the majority may be dissatisfied, revolutions are not started by the majority of people. It’s pretty much another instance of the pareto rule.

    1. Communalism HAS worked, in small social groups, occasionally. It seems to hinge on a few things,

      The group should hold itself answerable to a Higher Power.

      It helps if the group is headed by a Charismatic leader, but he should be moderately (but only moderately) honest.

      The groups members should average out fairly humble (that left the Pilgrims out; they were pretty arrogant)

      Even meeting these conditions it seems to be pretty hit-or-miss, and translation from generation to generation is always a problem.

      So, in some ways Communalism is like Nudism. It’s POSSIBLE to build a community on it, but it’s fairly artificial and takes a good deal of effort to maintain.

      1. The Inspirationists managed it for around 80 years. Ironically, they gave it up in 1932. The docents gave us a couple of reasons that weren’t in the “official,” story: the young people wanted products that weren’t in the communal store and, more importantly, the folks who worked at it came to resent the ones who coasted.

        The Hutterites are carrying on at least a partially communal culture, but they keep a VERY low profile.

        1. Yes. The United States has a history of schismatic Christian sects that were Communal societies to one degree or another. Many failed, some managed for a generation or two, and a few held on for longer periods. It isn’t a bad way to live, I suppose, if you choose it. But it only works with an all (or at least nearly all) volunteer population, and they have to BELIEVE that they are obligated to pull their weight.

          Don’t see any damn way to make it work for a larger unit.

          1. Don’t see any damn way to make it work for a larger unit.

            –
            Even smaller family units. Who hasn’t heard of the deadbeat SIL or BIL? Not the ones who are down on their luck, visibly trying to dig themselves out. But the ones who expect/i> the rest of the family to provide a bail out, repeatably?

      2. It has to be voluntary. Whatever one’s motivation, communism has to be voluntary. The moment someone starts compelling other people to give according to their ability and get according to their needs, everything unravels. Voluntary also means that everyone has skin in the game. Otherwise “everyone’s property” becomes “no one’s responsibility” and we all know how that ends.

        1. I have said often that “from each, according to his ability, to each, according to his need” is a fantastic individual motto, and is indeed what the Free Market is based on — but that it’s also a positively evil and nightmarish goal of the bureaucrat, who has no true way to determine either the ability or the needs of others.

      4. It takes considerably more effort to maintain as it is not the natural condition for humans.

    2. Happy Thanksgiving to all .
      As for the Pilgrims the religious part of them thought of themselves as forming the new Jerusalem, In fact one of the later colonies is named Salem an older name for that place. The Pilgrims focused on the Acts of the Apostles, ignoring parts they didn’t like (e.g. Ananais and Sephira see Acts 5:1-11), and Paul’s letters where other churches had issues ( 2 Thess 3:10-11)
      with holding everything in common. Simply if the Saints of the church couldn’t make communism work Ain’t nobody making it work in this world crippled by Mans original failings.

      And here’s Hoping we don’t need Lt. Dahlquist, but if we do hoping one or more will be provided for us.

      1. Yes. I have the occasional encounter with, “REAL Christans..” which is always, “….behave the way I think they should, ” and they think Christias should approve of communism. I reminder one that by the time of Paul’s letters, he was doing regular fundraisers to support, “the saints who are in Jerusalem.”

        1. I love the way they flipflop between “How dare you vote according to your religion!” and “How dare you NOT vote according to your religion (which I determine)!”

  11. Meanwhile, Rudy Giuliani has been busy with the mail-in ballots, like the ones mailed in by dead people, folks what moved out of state years ago, and some that seem to have never existed at all.

    Anyway, he got through most of that and discovered that Pennsylvania had counted 2.6 million mail-in ballots — which is a neat trick considering they only sent out 1.8 million.

    Of course the Democrats and the media are all pretending there’s nothing the least bit odd about counting 800,000 more mail-in ballots than were ever sent out. Or that Slow Joe just happened to be losing the election by about 800,000 votes when they suddenly stopped counting in the middle of the night and then, when they started counting again four hours later, had miraculously taken the lead.

    Oh, no, there’s nothing suspicious about THAT. Republicans are just a bunch of sore losers.
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    It takes a LOT of education to make somebody that stupid.

    1. The bit in Wisconsin(I think) where the vote count for Biden went up considerably faster than the machines could have processed real (valid *or* counterfeit) ballots was another nice touch.

      Echoing Sidney Powell, the fraud was so over the top blatant and obvious it was almost as if they figured they wouldn’t mind it being seen. Were they that a) arrogant b) desperate or (SP’s concern) c) doing a smokescreen for something nastier?

      Sure would be nice to live in less interesting times. With GEOTUS Trump in place, of course. (I figure the second will happen. The first ain’t.)

  14. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

    Turkey cooked & demolished. Pretty good even if I say so myself. Convection Oven Roasted 14# young hen.

    Four of us tonight. The three of us & mom. Mom, even though she was out of state until last Sunday, and was in 3 airports on Sunday, was NOT spending Thanksgiving alone at home. Here’s the neighborhood middle finger Czaria Brown (we weren’t the only ones to have family over).

    1. Two of us, a couple of Cornish Game Hens and lots of leftover bird for lunch.

      I saw the Despicable Kate Brown “Uninvite your best friend” tweet. Grrr.

      (I’ll keep the preface for Kate’s name as long as she’s in politics.)

      1. Hubby took that report and called his brother, and BIL’s to “Disinvite” per HRH Czarina Kate Brown’s example. Comment went “You’re not coming anyway, but per Brown’s order, you are disinvited to Thanksgiving at our house.” Adding to BIL’s “How’d I get the short straw?” As in MIL was coming. Ans. I’m the oldest, in state, we don’t babysit for someone who is immune compromised, at 86 mom was NOT spending TGD at home alone … (FWIW, he didn’t disagree … but still has to let BIL’s know they owe him for his sacrifice, just saying.)

        Brown does not want to ask my husband his opinion (not that she would), he’ll be absolutely happy to let her have it, short, not very polite.

    2. 7 – mum, da, meself, three lunatics, and the sainted wife. like every year. Herself can go and pout. if I hadn’t been here in S.Or, I may have gone the potluck they held in front of the Capitol.

  15. Happy Thanksgiving to all. We were able to make the trip over to Dad’s place after all, and two of my brothers joined us for Thanksgiving dinner. It was a rather subdued one, but none of us can really pig out like we did when we were younger. Still, I’m happy to be able to be together. Right until Dad said yes, he was OK with us coming over, I’d been planning for the possibility that we’d have to stay home and just call or FaceTime for Thanksgiving.

  17. Thanks for posting this link. Heinlein has been in my thoughts a lot since election night. I wonder what he would make of this whole ugly mess. I wonder if we have enough gumption in us to stop it.

      1. Oh yeah! In the meantime, your skepticism re kungflu totally justified.

        ” After retrieving data on the CDC website, Briand compiled a graph representing percentages of total deaths per age category from early February to early September, which includes the period from before COVID-19 was detected in the U.S. to after infection rates soared.

        Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.”
        https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/11/27/johns-hopkins-study-saying-covid-19-has-relatively-no-effect-on-deaths-in-u-s-deleted-after-publication-n1178930

        1. Especially noteworthy is that they didn’t dispute the study; they didn’t like that it was being used to bolster BadThink.

      2. I suspect that he would be calm, aware that his oath had no expiration date, have a plan in place and ready to roll (while trying to calm Ginny down).

  19. Thanksgiving isn’t the only revisionist history that the left is pushing this week.

    Obama’s new book rewrites the history of Israel and indeed the entirety of Jewish history:

    https://www.jns.org/opinion/obamas-revisionist-promised-land/

    Obama actively and aggressively rewrites history to try to delegitimize Israel’s very existence and the Jewish connection to Jerusalem and the other areas that Jews have lived in for over 2400 years. He does this knowing that his book will be widely publicized. In essence he is trying to provide a framework for the Democratic Party to facilitate Israel’s destruction and the murder of the Jews who live there.

    His own book by his own words proves that Obama hates Jews and is committed to Israel’s complete destruction because he personally believes it should never have existed. While Democrats keep calling Trump “literally Hitler” it was in fact Obama who seeks to achieve Hitler’s goals and it is the Democrats who are the modern Nazi Party.

    1. A Progressive is a Socialist is a Communist is a Fascist. The Left can pretend all they like that there are meaningful differences, but they’re lying.

    2. The Democrats have been the party of slavery, racism, segregation and hate for 180 years. Ever since the anti-Abolitionists banded together to oppose the new Republican party. The Civil War was mainly between the Republicans and Democrats. The KKK was a bunch of southern Democrats. They are as full of hate today as they ever were, they just spread it wider.
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      Count Vordarian: “What? You’re a Betan! You can’t do—“

  20. My sister’s in-laws were hypochondriacs before they had even heard of Wuhan, so I was uninvited because they didn’t feel comfortable being in the same house after I went througba couple of airports. But I am flying out to Colorado tomorrow and we’ll do another Thanksgiving once they get their oven, which died today, back online.

    1. In mid October, I was bemused to see the Kroger affiliate displaying both Halloween decor and Christmas trees. I don’t like the smell of desperation in the morning.

      Note to self, check out the informal range in the Nat’l Forest.

        1. I’ve seen the start of Christmas displays, maybe 10% of the seasonal space in play, just before Halloween in previous years, but this time it was ~50% of the seasonal area for lit trees and full blown decor.

          The (unsold) Halloween stuff was fancy; animated ghoulies, the usual lawn and house crud was well stocked before (and shortly afterward). Loooootttts of surplus H’ween candy, too.

          I give high odds that Despicable Kate will try to do to Christmas what she did to/for Thanksgiving. The Fred Meyer has the usual toys out and the Toys-for-tots boxes just showed up, but between the Oregon economic damage Kate has done and the “Don’t party or you’ll kill your grandma” hysteria, I can see more retail crashing and burning.

          1. What are you thinking? OF COURSE they’re going to cancel Christmas! Just because they can.

            If they don’t cancel Christmas, they’ll have to admit that it was all bullshit. They can’t admit anything. Like somebody posted here:

            If the lockdowns worked, why do we need another one?
            If the lockdowns didn’t work, why do we need another one?

        1. I deeply want to fill in the next word, but this being a family blog I shall not, nope nope nope…

  23. Happy Thanksgiving. I wrote, stayed out of the kitchen (small kitchen, large feast, cat already underfoot), ate too much with Mom and Dad, pestered Sib and Sib-in-Law and Red 2.0 via internet and went walking under a very bright moon. And was very, very grateful for being here, in Texas and the US, and able to sit and write.

  25. Roaster for the two of us (offspring is getting management training at Cracker Barrel- one guess where he was). My go-to recipenof Wall Street Journal chicken (given by their former wine reviewers years ago) cooked slower than expected, so the rice browned a bit, but husband tried his hand at banana pudding. Ahhhhhh.
    God bless, y’all.

  26. Weird but grateful Thanksgiving here. We’d already cancelled plans to have everyone meet at our home when all the rest of the family ended up too ill to travel. Then Mom came home from the ER Wednesday evening on oxygen from her own bout of the ‘Rona and needed help managing so, since we’ve already had it, we all piled in the car at 0430 yesterday morning and drove to the next state with all the food I’d been cooking and freezing the last 2 weekends in preparation for the cancelled family gathering. And fortunately I’d opted for a smoked turkey rather than the usual fresh, so really everything just needed heated up and we had a (small) family Thanksgiving after all. Mom has been steadily stepping down the O2 and keeping sats up, so I am optimistic we are finally on the downhill side.

    This has been a hell of a thing though. It’s going to be interesting when we finally figure out what genetic factors make a small number of healthy people get so sick, while others who should be high risk (like my 80 year old Dad with COPD who just finished chemo for the colon cancer that cost him several feet of bowel the same week the Diamond Princess story broke) throw it off like any other URI.

  27. I read this every Thanksgiving, and it seems appropriate to share here. It’s been on my mind since the election, and the encouragement to specific prayers in the last paragraph seem particularly apt this year. Coincidentally, Thanksgiving this year fell on the same day.

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    By the President of the United States of America, a Proclamation.

    Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor– and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.

    Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be– That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks–for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation–for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his Providence which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war–for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed–for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted–for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us.

    and also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions– to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually–to render our national government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed–to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shewn kindness unto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord–To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and us–and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.

    Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.

    Go: Washington

  29. Happy Thanksgiving. I’m praying too.

    We stayed home for this one because of the new baby. I think I did okay on the turkey for a first try.

  30. Had a throroughly Deplorable and enjoyable Thanksgiving, thanks to my family in a high (~3000′) corner of our country (near where E Tenn. & W N.C. meet, and not too far from the Tyrant Occupied Commonwealth). You could say, aside from a few current-events discussions, that we “partied like it was 2019” — no covidiocy involved, for our half-dozen-plus.

    On the other hand, judging from a small and haphazard sample, Black Friday basically… wasn’t. The place I ate Friday night was nearly empty (much unlike on Wed. night going up), and the (chain) bookstore I visited was more like a weekday afternoon than post-TG shopping madness.

    About time, and past, for our Lords Governor to get their knee off the neck of the economy.

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