New York Slimes – by Dan Hoyt

*As some of you know my husband is a mathematician. What you might not understand is what this means. What this means is that numbers are vitally, incredibly important to him. And when numbers don’t add up, he goes slightly unhinged. How unhinged? Well, he once spent over half an hour trying to give 45c to a clerk who had undercharged us. This wasn’t an unusual occurrence. I only remember that one, because we had a girl both boys had a crush on along on that outing, and she looked near-terrrified, until I pointed out Dan is a mathematician and that’s not so much an avocation as a condition. He’s also far less political/politically aware than I am, so he keeps coming up with a bang against things I’ve known for — I think — my entire adult life, like the fact the media is irretrievably crooked.
A combination of these two fueled him to post the following on Faceborg. I’m posting it here as a guest post with his permission. He would like me to point out — and this was said indignantly — that the NYT mostly repeated stuff from other reports, which means — he says — this is an MSM-wide problem. I didn’t meme it with “welcome to the party pal” nor did I say “you sweet summer child.” He is far smarter than I, just not a politics-addict. Which tells you how normal people have missed these things, for how long – SAH*

New York Slimes – by Dan Hoyt

The NYT takes what SHOULD be a human-interest story about how people’s livelihoods are being threatened by the current COVID-19 situation and turns it into a blatant attempt to manipulate voters. For shame!…/…/pandemic-unemployment-covid.html

My favorite passage in there is from a PA guy who is a stunning example of a low-information voter who believes everything the MSM spoon-feeds him without question. Point-by-point:

“I’m not real happy with the way President Trump has handled, or continues to handle, the pandemic. I think what he’s doing is hurting more than helping.”

Dude, you need to stop watching the MSM. Just because it’s on TV doesn’t make it true. Trump didn’t order the lockdowns that put you out of work, your governor did. Blame him. And in PA, that would be a Democrat, BTW, not even the same PARTY as Trump.

“First, he started with, “I built the greatest economy this country has ever known,” which is not true.”

Again, stop watching MSM; the Bureau of Labor and Statistics disagrees with you and supports Trump’s claim. The stock market does, too, even now. The 3 years leading up to the lockdowns that were ordered mostly by Democratic governors WERE the greatest economy we’ve seen in the US. Even more so for blacks and asians than whites, BTW. Go look at the numbers ( There’s some great historical documents there that tell the story. If you’re a hardcore Obama fan, do NOT look at 2008-2016 unless you want your preconceptions shattered, especially when it comes to black employment.

“And now he’s talking about bringing that back, which I think is great, but you can’t do that until you deal with the pandemic properly.”

Oops, didn’t you just say Trump did NOT build the greatest economy that you know want him to bring back? Which is it, hypocrite? Make up your mind. As for how to “deal with the pandemic properly,” Biden is promising to continue the lockdowns and make masks mandatory nationwide. Despite the facts that any doctor worth his salt will tell you that putting a mask on an asthmatic is a really bad idea, and even the CDC isn’t even SURE that masks do any good. From their FAQ ( “Masks MAY slow the spread of the virus and help people who MAY have the virus and do not know it from transmitting it to others.” That’s a lot of weasel words there, all translating in plain English to, “We’re not sure, but it PROBABLY won’t hurt to wear masks.”

“And not only is he ignoring it, but he takes steps to limit and slow down testing.”

Well, now you’re just being ignorant. Trump isn’t ignoring COVID-19; he tested positive, quarantined and recovered well before October 23, when this article was published. The fact that the “journalist” at the NYT included this statement this late in the game indicates clear and present malice, rather than credible journalism practices. As for slow testing, we’ve had faulty tests for 7 months with

“He continues to go to his rallies; he’s encouraging people to gather in rallies. For me, it’s about human life.”

Again, old news, and the BLM continued to gather in protest rallies, too, during that time. AND they didn’t wear masks for WEEKS, until conservatives started pointing out the hypocrisy. THEN they started wearing masks. And burning building, looting businesses and murdering innocent bystanders. But, yeah, it’s about human life. Just not ALL humans; only those who agree with their politics.

“There’s about 200,000 people dead, and we’re still counting.”

Yes, yes there are about 225K deaths under discussion, although it’s not clear WHAT caused the deaths. Do you know what happens when a gunshot victim bleeds out, then tests positive for COVID-19? It’s listed as a COVID-19 death, that’s what. Most of the first 100K attributed deaths were made with clinical diagnoses, in fact. That means no test, just a doctor saying, “Yeah, the patient died of respiratory failure, so it’s PROBABLY COVID-19.” Think about it. The tests just weren’t available in quantity at the time, and the efficacy was suspect. Even the official COVID-19 site for PA (…/cor…/Pages/Symptoms-Testing.aspx) includes the disclaimer:

“No test is perfect. There is a false negative rate and false positive rate that varies depending on the test and the collection modality. Accuracy of antigen tests may be problematic due to poor sensitivity.”

The FDA site on testing (…/consumer-u…/coronavirus-testing-basics) is more specific:

“Some things that may affect the test’s accuracy include:
– You may have the virus, but the swab might not collect it from your nose or throat.
– The swab or mucus sample may be accidentally contaminated by the virus during collection or analysis.
– The nasal or throat swab may not be kept at the correct temperature before it can be analyzed.
– The chemicals used to extract the virus genetic material and make copies of the virus DNA may not work correctly.”

So the test results are suspect, even now. And the cause of death rarely gets changed after the fact. That mean those attributed numbers are HIGHLY suspect and should be taken with a grain of salt. Witness the NYC numbers. As of today, there are almost 20K “confirmed deaths” in NYC, but less than 5K “probable deaths” (

So how much of that 225K is actually deaths FROM COVID-19 as opposed to deaths WITH COVID-19? Well, if it’s similar to the NYC numbers, that would be about 50K nationwide. Contrast that with about 35K deaths from flu/pneumonia for the previous flu season (

BTW, the CDC data is fascinating reading, and the NYT “journalist” really should take a quick look, at the very least. Here’s some highlights from 2018 ( with some notes on the current situation:

“In 2018, a total of 2,839,205 resident deaths were registered in the United States.”

That’s an average of 236,600 per MONTH. So, the total number of ATTRIBUTED COVID-19 deaths (see above) over 7-8 months is still less than the number of TOTAL deaths in a normal SINGLE MONTH in the US. So how many total deaths there have been in 2020? CDC reports 2,399,494 through Week 39 (September 26): The previous year, over the same 39 weeks, the CDC reported 2,123,573. That means that 2020 has resulted in a net increase in TOTAL deaths of about 13% (275,921). Compare that to a 4.4% (86,599) increase in the 2014-15 flu season or a 3.2% (64,531) increase in the 2016-17 flu season.

So, yes, 2020 looks worse than anything we’ve seen since 2013, and nobody’s denying that, despite what the MSM is claiming, but it’s hardly the “we’re all going to die” story the MSM has been pushing.

And don’t forget that the population since 2013 has been steadily increasing, so the raw numbers are less important than the mortality per 100K, which is a COMPARABLE metric.

So how bad is 2020? Go back to 2018:

Leading causes of death:
All causes: 723.6 per 100K
Heart disease: 163.6 per 100K
Cancer: 149.1 per 100K
Chronic lower respiratory: 39.7 per 100K
Flu/Pneumonia: 14.9 per 100K
Suicide: 14.2 per 100K

The CDC’s latest info says 7.6% of the 2020 deaths were ATTRIBUTED to flu/pneumonia/COVID-19 ( Using the current US population of 330,491,064 from the Census Bureau (, that means:

Flu/Pneumonia/COVID-19: 55.2 per 100K (attributed)
Flu/Pneumonia/COVID-19: 13.8 per 100K (probable, based on NYC)

That’s a big range, but if the PROBABLE numbers are accurate, that’s LESS than 2018 numbers for flu/pneumonia alone. And if the ATTRIBUTED numbers are accurate, it’s still about the same as 2018 for flu/pneumonia/chronic lower respiratory combined. And we already suspect that most chronic lower respiratory deaths were attributed to COVID-19, so were does that leave us?

With a lot of questions, still. Only one thing is crystal clear:

Tying COVID-19-related unemployment to an election is irresponsible “journalism.”

My second favorite story, from a Salvadoran in Vegas, deserves a separate writeup:

“The other sad update is that the president got a green light to end the T.P.S. program (which has allowed families who fled El Salvador and other countries to temporarily live and work legally in the United States).”

First off, what is TPS? From…/temporary…:

“Congress created Temporary Protected Status (TPS) in the Immigration Act of 1990. It is a temporary immigration status provided to nationals of specifically designated countries that are confronting an ongoing armed conflict, environmental disaster, or extraordinary and temporary conditions. It provides a work permit and stay of deportation to foreign nationals from those countries who are in the United States at the time the U.S. government makes the designation.”

The key word here is “temporarily.” Trump EXTENDED the program for Salvadorans A YEAR AGO (…/us-and-el-salvador-sign…) to 2021, ensuring the program DOESN’T end during his first term. The program will end for El Salvador eventually, as that’s it’s stated intent:

“TPS beneficiaries return to the immigration status that the person held prior to receiving TPS, unless that status has expired or the person has successfully acquired a new immigration status. TPS beneficiaries who entered the United States without inspection and who are not eligible for other immigration benefits, for example, would return to being undocumented at the end of a TPS designation and become subject to removal.”

In plain English, that means he’s not at risk of being deported if he’s not an ILLEGAL alien. If he IS, why hasn’t he done anything about that in the 6 years he’s been here (which included 3 years under Obama)?

He ends with:

“If Trump wins, we have no more hope.”

I’m really not following the reasoning here. Trump extends TPS for Salvadorans, and even provides ADDITIONAL time:

“Additionally, the Trump Administration is providing El Salvadorans with TPS an additional 365 days after the conclusion of the TPS-related lawsuits to repatriate back to their home country.”

As stated early, the POINT of the program was NEVER a path to citizenship, but some protection for foreigners in the US when bad things happened in their home countries (in this case, El Salvador). This does NOT sound like Trump is planning to kick out the Salvadorans:

“TPS is a legal mechanism to provide temporary status for some foreigners who need humanitarian relief. The Administration’s goal is to create an orderly and responsible process to repatriate Salvadorans and help them return home; however, a sudden inflow of 250,000 individuals to El Salvador could spark another mass migration to the U.S. and reinvigorate the crisis at the southern border. Taking into account these concerns, we have decided to provide additional time to work out that plan. We cannot allow the progress the President has made the past several months to be negated.”

Note the word “progress” used with Trump’s efforts. How does that translate to “no more hope”? Answer: it doesn’t.

It’s a blatant attempt to sentimentalize the story and make out Trump to be evil (the unsubstantiated narrative of the left in general, and the New York Slimes — sorry — Times in particular). Once again, irresponsible “journalism.”

311 thoughts on “New York Slimes – by Dan Hoyt

  1. The only word of defense I can make for the New York Times is that it is well-suited to lining the bottoms of birdcages … although the ink has a tendency to rub off onto previously clean surfaces.

    1. Just make certain the bird doesn’t start spouting any of the nonsense printed thereon. Fold and use a classifieds page as top layer if at all possible.

    2. They always denied that the ink came off. They just lie, it’s what they do.

      Back in the day, you could tell a great deal about a person by the color of the ink stain on their raincoat. Wall Street Journal was black and the Slimes was green. The Daily News was the primary tabloid in those pre Murdoch NY Post days. The Post came out in the afternoon. People who read the Daily News or the Post didn’t wear raincoats but the Post ink was Greenish.

      My wife’s family were all paper handlers and printers for the Times unless they were cops or firemen, She knows how to fold those paper hats. Each trade had a different one.

  2. > CDC data is fascinating reading

    Probably even more fascinating if you snapshotted previous months’ numbers and compared them all to each other.

    The CDC is no more reliable than the New York Times.

    1. Not reliable at all but when you combine the data across all the different sources you find that the worst case outcome doesn’t justify the reaction so the fact that the actual outcomes are better would just make the case stronger.

      I saw my sister yesterday for the first time since March and asked her was she going to wear a mask for the rest of her life since that’s where consistency would lead her as the WuFlu is just a flu and we have the flu every year. She said yes. It sort of degenerated from there even if we seem to have avoided a complete breech.

      Those who would trade their liberty for safety will have neither. Damned fools.

      1. Those who offer you safety in return for your liberty belong to two classes;

        1) Those who honestly believe in their offer, who are therefore fools.

        2) Scoundrels.

        1. Democrats for the most part fit in the scoundrel category. Of course that is true for Republicans to a lesser extent as well.

  3. >
    “If Trump wins, we have no more hope.”

    I’m really not following the reasoning here.

    The Previous Incumbent was promising amnesty and citizenship, with a fat aid program strongly implied. OrangeManBad is only offering conditional residency with a bunch of strings attached.

    “Our hope for a free ride is being dashed!”

    1. LUKE
      I saw part of the message he was…

      Luke is cut short as the recorded image of the beautiful young Dem princess is projected from Artoo’s face.

      I seem to have found –- you know, the thing.

      Luke stops his work as the girl’s image flickers before his eyes.

      Vice President BIDEN, years ago you served my mother in the Drone Wars.

      Served her?! I was IN CHARGE! Except I couldn’t do anything without Barry’s permission, I was the, you know, pony soldier, but now I will be THE MASTER!!! MINE!!! HA HA HA HA HA!!!

      LUKE is starting to look worried. The recording is still playing.

      … she begs you to help her in her struggle against The Donald and The Deplorables who defeated her rightful ascendancy. I regret that I am unable to present The Dowager Empress’ request to you in person, but HUNTER has gone missing again and there are four more hookers pregnant, so I’m afraid my mission to bring you and your Chinese payoff stash of cash to Chappaqua has failed.

      I never took that much money from the Chinese! Only a few million. Or maybe billion. And my lovely boy is not the father!! He promised! Prove it! Post the film on — you know, the thing! Come on, Man!

      LUKE looks askance at BIDEN. The hologram of CHELSEA continues.

      I have placed information vital to the survival of your campaign into the memory systems of HUNTER’s laptop. My mother will know who to kill to retrieve it. You and this droid must safely get to her in Chappaqua. This is our most desperate hour. Make sure to bring all the money. All of it. Help me, Corn-Pop, you’re my only hope.

      There is a little static and the recording is cut short. BIDEN leans back, looks around dazedly, and checks his watch.

      Almost nap time! Where’s my oatmeal?!

      LUKE quietly gestures to Artoo and they sneak out of the basement, unnoticed. CAMERA pans away to avoid showing Artoo dealing with the stairs.

  4. So Biden wants to make masking up mandatory? I wonder if the NYT ran the picture from one of his election rallies with him and a whole lot of others in close quarters and not a mask in sight?

    Actually, they probably did and figure than nobody is going to give a damn because Biden is just… better by virtue of having the magic D after his name. Because he clearly thinks that the rules are there for the little people, not him.

      1. They’re not even bothering with the impersonators: he’s taking days off with less than two weeks until the election.

              1. Maybe he messed up, again.

                Maybe he meant to say; Get the ‘ludes’ on”.

                Whole different thing, but disturbingly appropriate and in keeping with their “family values”.

            1. Because it would not properly represent the magnitude what they’re doing to call it “putting a doobie on.”

          1. Or because the appearance by Joe would hurt worse than it helps.

            People in denial get really vehement at times, when the thing is crashing down around them. Pushback on Hunter is absurd. Ergo, one theory is that the insiders know that it isn’t coming together, but have panicked themselves drinking their own ink, and cannot bear to face it yet. They are mid cargo cult ghost dance now, anything but 240% is willful and malicious sabotage.

            Of course, that can be flipped around and tested against us.

            My position remains that there is a good chance that we are in a nonlinear space, that our instincts react from past linear experience, and that we should try not to let ourselves freak out about stuff.

            Of course, the full history of my freak outs, and recoveries over the past few days is a) perhaps a little hypocritical b) would be a persuasive sample of the complete explanation for why I am so insistent on this theory.

            1. My position remains that there is a good chance that we are in a nonlinear space

              “good chance”?

              Dude! It is 2020! Even the normies understand that we are deep in the Nonlinear Realm.

                  1. OTOH, generally in a NG+ you get to keep your levels, items, and money. And then roflstomp all of the enemies since you know their patterns…
                    Well, until you reach the secret ultra-super boss that requires you to have basically broken the game to beat.

                    1. I can sympathize with that. It’s just the series of events in this year has been about as much as I can struggle through. Yesterday they planted the projected cone of Zeta on the area, and I just wanted to sit somewhere and cry.

                      …At least we got the part of the eaves that fell in fixed Saturday, enough to hold up to the weather, or this would really be last straw.

                    2. I’m in the cone for Zeta, too. And I keep getting my closing delayed on this house. I’m starting to become perturbed. They tore down the barn around the wellhouse, and I REALLY don’t want it to be uncovered during the storm, especially since we have to do a water quality test for the appraisers/underwriters before we can close.

                  1. I can sympathize with that. It’s just the series of events in this year has been about as much as I can struggle through. Yesterday they planted the projected cone of Zeta on the area, and I just wanted to sit somewhere and cry.

                    You can make it through. Yes this year has been abominable, and there will be more raining dumpster fires*. But if you’ve made it this far with an intact mind you have whatever it is that is needed to get through the rest.

                    [*]: it is like orbital bombardment, but the projectiles are fiery dumpsters. Weirdest astrophysical phenomena ever…

                    1. If I can just get a few relatively noise-free days… getting the eaves fixed was 7 hours of nonstop sawing, hammering, and dog barking, and I couldn’t do anything to get away from it because every 20 minutes they needed something else. Worst crew I’ve ever had the misfortune to hire.

                      Please let Zeta move as fast as they’re predicting. The faster it goes through, the less damage it’ll do.

                    1. No, literally, not. From April 2019 on almost killed me. I am not speaking metaphorically. If I woke up and it was that date again blind panic would take over. I’d be in my car with laptop and not much more running for the hills, and then I’d be arrested for felony elder abuse, abandonment variety, and it all goes downhill from there.

                1. 02 April 2019?

                  Good, I’ll know the all the winning lotto numbers and can stockpile on ammo and such at a better location than now.

                  And I’ll spend enough money to our host here so maybe she will move out of Commie-rado…


              1. Thing is, even when I’m talking sense, there may be a crazy premise or ten buried somewhere.

                So the dangers I try to avoid from caution may have zero relationship to the dangers with the strongest need to be avoided.

                    1. I’m not inclined to chase the bunny down, but I vaguely recall proposals to legalize mescaline. I believe Colorado was the origin of the plan although it seems more a California thing to do.

                    2. I actually keeping an eye on that. There’s positive studies for it against treatment resistant depression.

                    1. Just referring to the geopolitical corruption of uncle Joe v2. Everything in general is more kafka

            2. Well, Joe *did* just recently start talking about the massive fraud machine that the Dems have assembled. I’d say it’s even odds whether his dementia got him rambling about something he shouldn’t have mentioned, or he meant to take about supposed fraud prevention efforts (which, since he’s a Democrat, would look for opportunities to claim that it was difficult for a group of people to vote).

              1. I have been seeing ads to the effect of “Get out and Vote! Don’t let *Them* suppress your Vote”

                And some weeks ago, Amazon Prime included an ad about a “voter suppression documentary”

                Someone somewhere thinks there is value in this narrative.

          2. ProTip: Bob is making sense here.

            You are falling into the mistake you have railed against so many times in the past: the belief that the Left’s projection of strength is the same thing as them actually having that power.

    1. The part that angers me is how many people accept two sets of rules as normal.

      They’re half a step from bowing to their lords. America has sunk to *that*?

      1. America has always been only a half step from bowing to some lord or another. We owe George Washington for the fact that we have that half step. He could have easily made himself king, even after the Constitution went into effect.

          1. Yes. It takes a bloody miracle to keep us from shooting ourselves in the collective foot, never mind the popular hobby of cutting off our noses to spite our face.

      2. It’s because in so many cultures, have two sets of rules is the norm. It’s Equality Under the Law that’s the exception. In many parts of the world, even if the law states that everyone is treated the same, there’s a tacit understanding that certain people are “more equal” than others.

        1. And establishment politicians are determined to ensure that they remain more equal than others, which is why they have gone to such great ends to delegitimize and destroy not only Trump but only who says anything even remotely positive about him.

          1. There is a bit of blackpill-speak that goes “if voting could change anything you wouldn’t be allowed to do it”.

            While Trump’s election (and coming reelection) prove it false, the reaction to it by TPTB shows that there is a little more truth in the statement than we would like.

        2. That’s what so many people misunderstand about “an eye for an eye”. The Code of Hammurabi says if a slave puts out a noble’s eye, the slave shall be put to death. In the East, different standards are built right into the Law, and have been for thousands of years. The idea that both slave and noble were subjected to the same penalty, to be based on the severity of the offense, was (and to many still is) a radical concept. Of course the rabbis immediately said “Oh no, don’t actually take an, eye, just fine the equivalent value.” So if you take Judeo-Christianity as the base of Western culture, equality before the Law is baked in. Even the Prophets, the Judges and later the Kings were at least in theory subject to the Law. If you don’t accept the Holy Word as the basis, the fall back position is inequality.

          1. There’s also holy scolding about favoring the poor over the rich, just as much as favoring the rich over the poor– and about judging folks’ actions differently because they have good parents, or evil ones.

    2. Biden has been flip-flopping on making masks mandatory. I believe it’s also been pointed out to him that making them mandatory at the Federal level would likely be unconstitutional.

      1. pointed out to him that making them mandatory at the Federal level would likely be unconstitutional.

        It would be.

        Which means … OMG – President Trump – gasp, wheeze, cough, cough, by letting the states manage it, was, gasp, gasp, wheeze, cough, cough, … RIGHT?

        /sarcasm off, JIC Not clear

        1. “Trump shoulda done MOOAARE!!”
          Okay, what Should he have done? And keep it constitutional!
          Same thing happened during Katrina.
          Hell, Dementia Joe had all kinds of things Trump should have done, and the ones closest to correct (and constitutional) were put forth by Joe about a week AFTER Trump did them.

    3. And in local news, 3 New York State Troopers were shot today during a mask enforcement stop. Officer Kelly was immediately killed, while his two backups remain in critical condition. Officers stopped one Joe Everyman Citizen for failure to be wearing a mask, and were attempting to arrest him when he pulled an automatic assault pistol and began firing at the officers. Residents are reminded that failure to wear masks is a federal offense with a 1 year mandatory hard labor prison sentence and a $10,000 minimum fine.

      1. Dude!
        Given this year, I was almost running to do a news search on that– admittedly, because they’ve been claiming stuff is “mask enforcement” when it was existing pissing matches, or a flat out lie by either a reporter or a claimed witness.

        1. When Mr. Houst types “automatic assault pistol” without sarcasm markers, it means the entire passage is a joke of some sort.

            1. And “residents”, not “citizens”, should have also been a clue that was the imaginary world of Prog-Socs Amerika..

            2. My greatest fear if Biden wins is he’ll read that and think it would make a great executive order.

          1. Well, I did hear that a Glock pistol with a threaded barrel is considered an assault weapon in California, but then again, so is a salt shaker.

            1. Of course there is the Glock 18, a full-auto 9 mm pistol, so the definition *might* stretch . . .

      2. And in (I forget which, nor do I care) state police are instructed to no longer perform vehicular stops for broken taillights, expired tags, nor other minor infractions.

        Because when laws are enforced there is a risk of people getting hurt.

        1. I was stopped a few months back (dead to rights, was speeding) and locally they are still friendly and not paranoid. Gave me a warning for 42 in a 25.
          damned Texas has me going way fast, still (I was on the bike).

  5. People worship authority, but have no process to qualify experts. Whoever sits behind the news room desk on their TV is an expert in their eyes. Half the people are below average intelligence and that isn’t any great shakes to start. They are mental infants not real adults. When they wake up living in Venezuela they will deserve it and then they can die. They’ll die confused as to how this all happened.

    1. First, good piece Dan! (Couple of typos, so if you’re going to collect and use in a book later, you should clean those up. But your scan of the situation tracks with mine.)
      I remember when I lost my job back in 2001-2002. Too many experienced I.T. people out of work, and not enough positions. Had a family with young kids, mortgage to pay, taxes, etc, just like everyone else. You HAVE to step out of your comfort zone if you want to keep having some income; and still tapping savings to make up the difference. I slung mail all night long an hour longer drive from home for $11 an hour for months until the job I’m in now opened up. 10 to 100 applications per interview. 10 interviews per one offer. Yes, COVID is a risk. So is living. But Trump is right about opening the country back up and doing things. And those states not following his advice? You don’t like being unemployed? Change your state government.

      1. I lost my job back in 2001-2002

        Aug ’02 is when I lost my I.T. job. I was 46. Didn’t help that moving was not an option.

        Let’s list the excuses … and they weren’t all I.T./Tech positions.

        “Went another direction”
        “2nd on our list” <– or given my gender "bridesmaid not the bride" syndrome.
        "Can't pay you what you are worth" <– never mind wasn't asking for that amount or indicated so
        "Not qualified" <– They did post they were training … granted probably not a good fit, but still …
        "Not a good fit"

        It has been almost 20 years, I've forgot a few. I'm sure others can come up with more …

        It was a long, long, 18 months. About an average of 2 interviews a week. At that we were lucky. Still had one salary. Even tho between Oct '03 and Jan '04 we had two households. As long as I had unemployment coming in expenses were covered, & I could save half into savings (we'd lived on one net salary, just that one salary was the higher one, mine, oops). Once that ran out. We bled savings. At that we were lucky. We never touched the savings that triggered penalties. I know of a lot of others who weren't so lucky. (I wasn't the only one let go. Company went bankrupt. Only a couple embedded engineers got carried through dismantling & ultimate purchase of company pieces.)

        1. To quote Weird Al when he was given those “Over Qualified/Can’t pay you what you’re worth” excuses “Well, I gotta eat, too ya know!”

          1. If I’m over qualified, then why are you retaining inferior personnel?

            Okay, yeah, I know I’m not being reconsidered after that, but…

            1. The concern is always that you’re going to keep looking, and bail when something better comes along.

              Which I can understand.

              Still sucks when it’s the reason why you don’t get a job.

        2. I remember getting turned down for a job because I had a college degree and “they want too much.”

          Um. If I’m applying for a minimum wage retail job, I know what I’m getting into.

          1. Um. If I’m applying for a minimum wage retail job, I know what I’m getting into.

            I know! Right!

            Almost lost out on the job I finally got both for pay, fit, and overqualified, reasons. Quick talking on the first two. Got me into the first six month trial period. Owner didn’t know how much overqualified I was. Used that to my advantage to become invaluable during those first 6 months. I needed the job. Didn’t matter that pay was less than I made in ’90, it was better than unemployment (didn’t know it was that bad before offer, but what can you do?). Doesn’t mean I didn’t stop looking, at least for 5 years or so. Even turned down another job eventually. At best by then it was a lateral move. I stayed put.

            Fit? A comment was about being an all male shop. My reply was given my work experience, that was what I was used to (almost 100% true). Was I ever buddy, buddy, with my co-workers? No. Was the work environment the type that encouraged water cooler gatherings? No. Know what the biggest problem was? I was a Beaver (OSU) in a Duck (UofO) Shop … I mean really!

        3. > Let’s list the excuses …

          My favorite: “We’re not actually hiring, we just wanted to see what was out there.”

          That idiot had no idea how close I was to coming over the desk and practicing “creative hematomas” on him.

          He stole half a day of my time, among other things.

          1. Paraphrased from a manager’s meeting (as told by my department manager):

            “[fool in MIS-management* job], has it ever occurred to you that a bunch of people are going to come to your office and beat the shit out of you?”

            My department manager was widely known for having a mellow personality, but the Management Information Systems guy was somewhat worse than clueless.

            (*) Pun completely intentional. He was bleedin’ awful.

      2. I was in the first wave of layoffs when Agilent (the legacy portion of HP, spun off because Reasons, and since minced, sliced and diced into something totally different from the original) decided that it no longer wanted to be in the semiconductor business. Got the notice mid-July, 2001, with a few weeks to (try to) find another position there. Since the Dot-Com-bust V1.0 was in full swing, being in the first wave didn’t help much. Being almost 49 at the time hurt too. (Curious how the older people got laid off first.)

        A big part of the problem was the fact that most of the jobs like mine had been off-shored thanks to incentives from the Feds and Wall Street. One startup was very (actually, way too) interested, but the warning bells with those people put it into the “I’ll think about it if I’m starving” category. (I suspect they were funded by naive Vulture Capital types, were going to work the lower level people to the bone, and *if* they succeeded, it might turn out OK. Maybe. The fact that they were eager to take my limited experience with the tester they wanted to use made me wary. Surely there were some folks out there who had more than 6 months on the tester. IMHO, it takes a couple of years to really get the hardware and software quirks understood.)

        Then 9/11 happened. Any company that was considering hiring, rethought it. The excuses got pretty creative…

        Got lucky in late November. The sales rep for the niche market tester I had spent several years on called me about a possible job. Her husband (had started and ran a variety of semi companies, reasonably successfully) was starting yet another company, intending to go for extraordinarily fast communication chips, and was looking for a test engineer. The job that was going to pay for the development involved consulting with the tester company I’d done a lot of work with. There was a lot I didn’t know about RF (almost everything), but others on the team were going to do that part of the heavy lifting. Learned a lot, too.

        Just was we finally got the consulting job done, the client went toes up. Got clobbered, and sold off to a competitor for peanuts. Trickle down effects meant that the boss’s new company was going to have to wait several years, and I was out of a job again.

        Didn’t job-search that time. I probably could have tried the couple-three RF semi companies in the Valley, but the thought of getting the hell out of California was more attractive. We had savings, plus the inflated equity in the house. Between the two, it carried us until we could tap retirement income.

        1. Semiconductor industry is a roller coaster. I am so glad I exited that ride after the last layoff.

          On the “maybe if I’m starving” startup – most startups fit what I call the one I tried: “The Startup That Didn’t”. The main thing that determines success is times-at-bat, and I don’t have it in me to go through that level of stress over and over and over again until I get good at it. And the model has changed over the years to “get bought out” so the emphasis isn’t “get great product out to customers” but “get great promotional fodder out to the potential M&A buyers”, which is a different thing indeed.

          If you’re an RF EE or Analog EE, that’s the one EE specialty in all my decades that I saw get job offers in the parking lot after a layoff every single time. Otherwise, welcome to the rollercoaster, please keep feet and legs inside the car at all times…

          1. Two! Two EE specialties! The Two specialties are RF EE, Analog EE, and Semiconductor Process Emgineers. Three!!

            I’ll come in again…

            1. Semiconductor process engineers were an endangered species in the 1974 recession (post first OPEC embargo). My roommate was laid off from a TTL line (3 months after taking the job), and shortly before that, I was made a Godfather offer: transfer from process to product engineering in the analog IC line. Since I had an EE with a focus on processing, I was one of the few who could have done that. My roommate had a similar background, but his line was planning to expand to a plant under construction near Salt Lake City. The people slated for that got priority.

              Curiously, as the recession deepened, the steel for the new plant blew over in a wind storm. That’s the CEO’s story and he stuck to it…

              1. I kw, I just coudn’t think of another engineering specialty to close the joke. I know lat of process engineers and Chemical Engineers that works on those icky process chemicals that had a hard time when all the fabs and development labs went to Asia.

                In actuality the only specialties who were out only as long as they wished to be out, even in the dot-com and housing bubble layoffs, aside from the aforementioned RF Engineers and Analog design Engineers, were accountants, specifically CPAs. I did literally see laid off Analog Circuit Designers getting recruited in the layoff company parking lot after they outprocessed and turned in their badge, but I don’t point anyone’s kids at EE school unless they have that bug already. CPA and Cyber Security IT are the two recommendations I make if asked by or on behalf of college age youts these days.

          2. Oh, and I’ve seen plenty of people go through Startup Hell and end up with the equivalent of two new cars for five years of pain and suffering. Founders get a lot, minions get a little after putting in all the long hours and weekends, and many then look for another startup to bet again, trying for the big payoff.

            Not my thing.

          3. If you’re an RF EE or Analog EE, that’s the one EE specialty in all my decades that I saw get job offers in the parking lot after a layoff every single time.

            The ONLY engineers retained at the job I lost in ’04 were the embedded engineers for the barcode scanners, flatbed, handheld scanners, and mini-handheld-computers (Percon/PSC) Data Logic is where they ultimately ended up by ’04 (or ’05? Don’t remember exactly. Hey, I was long gone.)

            Otherwise, welcome to the rollercoaster, please keep feet and legs inside the car at all times…

            Application Developer. I’m apparently one of the dime-a-dozen. Very familiar with the rollercoaster. Here I thought getting out of Forestry would provide a more stable work environment.

            Note, Percon was restarted in 2010(?) with the core software brought in by InteliTrack. Thought about looking them up. By then? Eight years had gone by. Six employed where I was at. I knew their work “ethic” requirements … not stupid. Stayed put. Okay, pay would have been better. But I got over 70 to 80 hour weeks …

        2. My husband (recently so, at the time) drove across three Western states for an interview that evaporated before he got there in 2001. He stayed on friends’ couches until he got a job at a music store, and then he applied for a company that was starting up retail stores and got that interview because he was the one person out of thousands who had warehouse and shipping experience, and they needed a warehouse manager.

          Just finished 19 years with that company, now on the corporate end. Heh.

        3. A friend of mine used to be an electronics guy, now mostly a general machinist. He’s in the “defense industry.” He has worked for six(?) different companies in the last dozen-odd years… either in the same shop, or in a different shop with the same people he worked with before. None of the companies last long before they’re merged, sold off, or bought out by someone else. Sometimes they don’t even do anything, just hang around drinking coffee and puttering with personal projects. This happens because they all have the requisite Secret clearances to work on [recacted] for [redacted], and it’s cheaper to pay them to do nothing than it is to lose time getting clearances for a fresh crew when they need one. So they have job security, even when there’s no job.

          Sort of the opposite of being a computer programmer, which is usually viewed as disposable labor. Since they’re contractors I guess it’s technically not a government job, but “It’s work, Jim, but not as we know it.”

            1. watch all programing go overseas

              Been hinted at by buyers of the last company I worked at. Getting it second hand, from someone who has reason to know. I really don’t know how that is doable with the software in question. At least the way it has worked traditionally. Software does NOT have “official” releases, not really. Not yearly, not quarterly, not monthly. Try hourly.

              Occasionally when (programming speak) interface library changes required it, or more frequently to get everyone to the same code base across all clients. It had been 3 YEARS before I retired since the last one. First type was required, no “updates of anything” until installed. Latter, not “required”, more of a request.

              Software that I refused to consider working on by “project”, only hourly, as “consultant” when I retired. I knew better. (Also didn’t get any work …)

              I get where the headquarters is coming from. When I left there were unfilled non-urgent or yearly user conference requests that had been in the queue for years. Understaffed. Which hasn’t improved since I left, appears to have gotten worse.

          1. Yeah, I’m renewing my TS clearance this year. I’m due to retire from the Navy in three years. My clearance would still be good for another two years. And I’m at a NASA base/installation in the deep south. I’m pretty sure I could get a decent-ish job down here after retirement. Just not sure if I want to do the 9-5 job thing anymore. Definitely not too long even if I do do the office job thing. 2-5 years, at most.

      3. I remember when I lost my job back in 2001-2002. Too many experienced I.T. people out of work, and not enough positions.

        I was in that boat, too. I remember distinctly one time in 2002 when I went to a job fair looking for work. I was the ninth or tenth person in line at one company’s booth when I heard the company rep tell the person at the front of the line, “We’re not hiring for any I.T. positions right now.” Five people, including me, stepped out of the line and walked away to go to a different company’s booth. Fully half the line at that one booth was out-of-work I.T. guys.

  6. Personally, I’d call it ‘The New Yuck Crimes.’

    Spreading lies and propaganda and calling them ‘news’ SHOULD be crimes.

    1. No. No, spreading ‘lies and propaganda’ should NOT be crimes, because that would put deciding what constitutes ‘lies and propaganda’ in that hands of the State…where it is NEVER safe.

      Spreading LIES should be lawsuit-bait. No “Absence of malice” defense if it can be shown that basic due diligence would have shown the published information to be false.

      As for Propaganda; what did you think newspapers were invented FOR?

      The problem isn’t news sources that publish their vies as fact – news sources have ALWAYS done that – the problem is that the Fascist Left sold us the idea that unbiased news is possible, and that any reporters anywhere have EVER tried to report that way.

      You news is biased. Your news is always going to be biased. Read/watch/listen accordingly.

  7. a) We can infer that the so called public health experts do not think the avoidable deaths from covid-19 are less than the lives cost by delaying a decrease in black cop related deaths a single year. BLM has most likely cost more black deaths. Maybe less in the long run, if folks realize how full of shit some of the criminal justice reform types are.
    b) This is why the correct metagame strategy for all matters immigration is starting from the emotional position is that there is a overriding moral obligation to kill the illegal immigrants.

    1. Bunch o’ Lying Marxists are directly responsible for more dead, innocent, black people (a few actually children) than the Police they are protesting. Defund BLM (both of them!) NOW! to save lives.

    2. That’s why one of the specifically enumerated duties of Congress is to call up the militia to repel invasions. The volume of illegal immigration per year vastly exceeds any reasonable definition of invasion.
      Any Congress-critter barking about our having to take in and care for illegals is be definition failing their sworn duty as a Congress-critter and should immediately be permanently banned from being seated in Congress.

  8. Why is Trump not pounding on one REALLY bad statistic: 700,000 cancer patients are not getting their treatments. They’re afraid to go to the hospital because they’re ‘at risk’ from coronavirus, or the hospital is still not performing ‘elective’ procedures to leave room for that overwhelming flood of COVID19 patients that’s going to hit them Any Day Now, (they’ve only been waiting for it since March) or the doctors and nurses have been laid off due to lack of work.

    How many of those cancer patients are going to die? How many cardiac bypasses and stents have been postponed? How many other health problems are not being treated because the patient is not dying TODAY? How many have already died as a result?

    1. Closing the gyms alone probably will kill 10-20,000 people sooner than they would have died. But that’s just a number to them.

    2. Because he’s getting blamed for everything the Dems caused with their shutdowns in any case (note there was no Federal shutdown order, it was explicitly left to the states, and he was criticized for that at the time), so they’d just turn and add that stat to the list of “Trumps Fault” things on NPR and NBC, but I repeat myself.

      Why load ammo for them to use to shoot at him. Let them look up their own darn statistics.

  9. Dan, way to sum up all the bullshit they’ve been spreading all year.

    Here’s another number to consider, 3.6 million international travelers entered Canada since March 2020 and none of them were subject to quarantine orders. I’d say that was a pretty big red flag that the government of Canada isn’t taking the COVID-19 thing as seriously as they pretend. Flights from China have been landing every day the whole time, too. Direct from Wuhan.

    On the bright side, I know a couple of doctors who deal with hundreds of patients a week. Two things they report. First, very few people say they got sick from this thing. Second, and of more import, no one believes the hype anymore. Nobody. Not even the little old ladies living with cats.

    1. Not sure where your info about Canada not quarantining comes from. My Canadian housemate (lives in Central Asia) just went to her brother’s wedding – two weeks of quarantine (with her sister from the US) in a spare house on their parents property. Then they could move about. I don’t know how (if) it’s enforced, but it’s on the books.

    2. I’m not too sure about the “no one believes” thing. My church recently passed around a survey asking congregants whether they would be interested in starting to attend in-person church again (instead of Zoom meetings; and the in-person meetings would be held outdoors with distancing to comply with state guidelines). IIRC, 40% of those who responded indicated that they didn’t feel comfortable attending in-person meetings right now.

      1. I only report what I hear. In Ontario, patients talking to physicians about other health issues report they haven’t been sick with Corona, and they don’t believe the hype coming from provincial and federal public health officials and the media.

        They also LOVE talking to the doctor on the phone instead of going to the office and waiting in the crappy waiting room.

        1. They also LOVE talking to the doctor on the phone instead of going to the office and waiting in the crappy waiting room.

          I must admit, while there are certainly things that require physical presence, I wasn’t complaining that my husband’s GP finally changed policy so we didn’t have to try to get him into the car when his back muscles were acting up.

      2. Our parish has had a huge drop in attendance– or so I hear, because we haven’t been back.

        They keep saying it’s because we’re scared of COVID- it’s because they are requiring masks, you have to wait to be seated by the ushers, communion itself doesn’t bear thinking about (it would be an occasion of sin for me because it takes all the arguments objecting to receiving on the hand and turns them up to 11, especially the risk of dropping the Body) and … well, it’s so much time genuflecting to hysteria that there’s no time left to genuflect to Himself.

        We’re not even in a state that’s requiring most of the guidelines. If we were? That would just make it even more of a rage-meter on the failure to remember the whole “render unto Caesar” quote.

        1. The masks! I haven’t gone back here because the mask theater is next level, and the one time we went back, amid vandalism and ruin, we got treated to a sermon on social justice. No, not CATHOLIC social justice. The left variant. Including how borders and capitalism are non-Christian.
          So we haven’t been back. The two churches we hit while traveling will have to do.
          The one in ohio was the best.
          And watching video is an occasion of sin, so I hope He understands and forgives me.
          But since I need it for my mental health, it’s not helping.
          And yes, they think people not showing up is because of Fear of Winnie.
          It’s not. They betrayed us. They dropped the mask. We always suspected the horror beneath, but now we KNOW. It’s not easy to forget.

          1. I’m fairly certain that Francis is an anti-Pope. Born and raised Catholic, I like Catholics, but I absolutely abhor the entire Clergy except for one or two individual Priests who don’t have their heads up their posteriors.

            1. My favorite Catholic Priest (I knew as a kid) had a really nice S&W in .44 Mag . . .
              The parish I grew up in had a priest that might well explain my early bend into atheism. Never liked that arsehole.

          2. Sunday’s first reading was about being foreigners in Egypt. The homily went on and on and on.

            1. Egypt had a great policy on immigrants. Enslave them and put them to work until Moses upset their apple cart.

              1. GENERAL: “Pharaoh! The Jews are escaping!”

                PHARAOH: (under his breath) “By great Seth, I had almost given up hope.”

                GENERAL: “I’ve dispatched troops to intercept them and bring them back!”

                PHARAOH: “YOU IDIOT! Send some messengers and tell the troops to return at once!

                GENERAL: “But…”

                PHARAOH: “Those people have been a pain in the ass since forever. They can run off and drive some other country crazy. We don’t want them back.”

                GENERAL: “But… they’re running *away*.”

                PHARAOH: “Slow learner, aren’t you?”

            2. We had a five minute homily on “If you love God, also love your neighbor and do good works. But the reverse is also true. You can’t help your neighbor by neglecting God. The end.” Visiting priest.

              The new priest is the guy who went to the Air Force Academy, did great, and then discerned that he was supposed to be a priest instead of a fighter pilot. His homilies have all been fully acceptable, and some of them have been freaking brilliant. (And it’s pretty smart to put the guy at a university full of Air Force ROTC folks.)

              And all the young priests are pretty darned traditional, to the point that your liberal young priests are more traditional than a lot of the more traditional priests I saw when I was growing up in the 1970’s.

              Mask theater we still have with us, and unfortunately I do suffer from somewhat more of it by being in choir than if I were Ye Olde Namelesse Parishionere. But bah, I ignore it as much as I can. And my reasonably comfy homemade baby bib mask can be easily yanked down under my chin for Communion and then yanked back up again, so no problema. (It is secured around the back of my neck, not on my poor defenseless ears.) Obviously this would not be optimal if masks actually did anything to a super-tiny virus, but bah, who cares.

              The protocol in most of the parishes around here is that anybody super-bothered by sickness risk goes first to Communion, anybody receiving on the tongue goes last, and hand people go inbetween. Back to the good old days of “approach when ready,” basically, instead of rigid row by row.

              1. I’ve been pleasantly surprised several Sundays lately. While we were in Oxford, MS, a university town, we attending the downtown Methodist church and got sermons talking about being a “good citizen,’ and realizing at the end we could NOT tell which, if any party the preacher favored. Also emphasized being a good citizen of Heaven, and that figuring out how to do that is our job.

                Lately more sermons have been actually talking about things like good use of your time, good and evil…it’s refreshing.

                Our tiny country church is shut down for the moment due to Covid anxiety. But there is a little justification since it’s an older congregation and the virus just found its way into the local nursing home. There have been deaths and I’m sure our people know some of the lost ones.

          3. I rather like the Fr. Mike Schmitz videos. His homilies are currently about how you go about changing yourself to work towards (small s) sainthood. He is politically vague and occasionally very geeky in his homilies.

        2. The church where I worship went back to live (and on-line) as soon as we could. The numbers are not what they had been, but are steadily increasing, and children’s Sunday/ Confirmation was (by state limitations) packed. Since we have a live choir, we’ve been inadvertently providing music for a lot of other church broadcasts. The ministers have been keeping things focused on core doctrine and not politics. It’s refreshing.

          1. That was the church we attended in Ohio. Virtually normal. I’ve never wanted to live in Ohio (I stayed there for my exchange student year, and the winters are horrible) but I’ve found myself looking at houses in Dayton. Shoot me.

            1. Oh, gosh, we’d love to have you! But you might want to check wind patterns, because this is Sinus Valley. We duel it out every year with Knoxville, TN for the most sinus pressure headaches. And usually, we’re number one!

              That said, there are a lot of valley areas that are surprisingly low; and most of them are “in town,” because towns tend to get built along river valleys. There are some pretty scenic little towns around here, like Troy and Piqua.

          2. My parish has live mass but we’re still limited in numbers. They have little dots where up you can sit and it’s all masks all the time. Gauleiter Murphy’s baleful buck toothed bungling is stil in place. In this case the masks don’t bother me as much since I go to the earliest mass and the age mix tends toward the vulnerable.

            I did try to get them to call it a peaceful protest early on but the cardinal archbishop is one of Frankie’s lavender mob.

      3. 40% of those who responded indicated that they didn’t feel comfortable attending in-person meetings right now.

        Little doubt that’s the excuse they gave to their spouses.

  10. I only remember that one, because we had a girl both boys had a crush on along on that outing, and she looked near-terrrified, until I pointed out Dan is a mathematician and that’s not so much an avocation as a condition.

    First; ❤

    Second; but did she then recognize "ok, Odds, but nice", or run for the hills?

      1. Eventually life parted them….

        I figured as much since the modern day reports would not allow it to have continued.

        But I’m an Odd who is also a hopeless romantic; people focus so much on how terrible things are today that they forget that it does go well sometimes. Often enough that losing hope is silly.

  11. No, I didn’t know that Dan’s a mathematician. Wow. He breathes a rarified air indeed. And you’re … you. No wonder your children are off the top of the scale.

  12. Basically, Dan just proved what we’ve discussed a number of times down here. Yes, when you look at the breadth of the data, something ‘stinks’… Friend who grew up in NYC in the Fish Market said the only thing they used the NYT for was literally fishwrap. They read the Post! One other little side note for Dan- He should take a look at the states that have ‘revised’ their WuFlu numbers down after a ‘deep dive’ into the actual causes of death. Also, hospitals get roughly twice the government funds if they claim WuFlu vs. regular flu/other maladies, so it is in their ‘best’ interests (re bottom line) to claim WuFlu patients.

  13. I have the misfortune of having been taught about propaganda (both what it is, how to recognize it, and how to make it) very early in my career. I hear pretty much everything from the media on both sides as propaganda. Even things like NPR’s quiz (which my fil listens to religiously) trips those sensors for me. (“Huh. 95% of the questions on the quiz portrayed the liberal position as good and the conservative as bad. And subtly showed Biden in a positive light and Trump in a negative light.”)

    Or just walking through Barnes and Noble and you see how pro-Biden and Harris books are prominently displayed, even in the kids section while the majority of the Trump books are negative towards him. It’s subtle, but obvious if you know what to look for.

    Of course, when I mention it to my wife, she looks at me like I have two heads…

      1. Twice zero is still zero.

        I swear, a third of population would forget to breathe if not autonomic

        1. Most people are shrewd in their own area of expertise. Girls with no apparent brain will go into great detail in makeup tutorial videos about the optical effects that they are trying to achieve, their effect on face shape, etc.

          1. Identify, and remember, exact shades of colors for clothing that are good for a specific person/use, while something that looks the same to me isn’t.

    1. My degree is in Broadcast Studies (for my sins) and the general Mass Media course we all had to take was an excellent introduction into propaganda and sales techniques, if you had the wit to spot the inversion. (The professor who taught it certainly did; we all suspected that his curmudgeonly demeanor was the result of largely teaching a bunch of idiots.)

  14. Congress created Temporary Protected Status (TPS) in the Immigration Act of 1990. It is a temporary immigration status provided to nationals of specifically designated countries that are confronting an ongoing armed conflict, environmental disaster, or extraordinary and temporary conditions.

    Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if any of these “temporary” status changes has ever actually ended? As I recall, they’re still extending TPS that started in the mid-90s. I suppose I can’t totally blame our Salvadoran for gasping in incredulity that they’re actually threatening to make temporary mean temporary.

      1. I think I heard about one ending recently. But it might have been the one being discussed here.

        Also, apparently that El Salvadorean arrived just six years ago. So while the program might be 30 years old, that doesn’t mean that everyone using it arrived 30 years ago.

  15. According to the CDC*, during the years Joe Biden was Vice President, a total of 23,116,608 Americans died of all causes.

    “Anyone who is responsible for that many deaths” should not remain in public office, or be allowed to run for public office, or in fact remain out of prison, or alternately the basement.

    What? You mean Joe is not responsible? Those people would have died even if Joe was not VP? But that was his watch! Barry was off on the apology tour, playing golf, bowing to the House of Saud, and organizing the coup against his successor – Joe was the guy at home taking charge and doing stuff! But only stuff he could understand, so that was not that much. Come on, man!

    * Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Center for Health Statistics. Underlying Cause of Death 1999-2018 on CDC WONDER Online Database, released in 2020. Data are from the Multiple Cause of Death Files, 1999-2018, as compiled from data provided by the 57 vital statistics jurisdictions through the Vital Statistics Cooperative Program. Accessed at

    1. And this is interesting to stats eeks – here’s a bar chart of the US total deaths stat by year, color coded by party holding Presidency (assuming the link works):

      Gee, what happened in 2008…hmm…

      1. I hate those kinds of graphs because it’s inheritly dishonest to not start from zero unless you make it overwhelmingly obvious. Most people don’t look at the scale until you drag their heads over it. They just look at the lines, bars, or sections first, and usually ignore everything else.

        1. You are not wrong, but “going in the wrong direction” and “going in the right direction” absent the zoom on the variation would either require a magnifying glass or things like trend slopes or rate-of-the-rate, which guaranteed will cause glazed eyes and put the general public target audience to sleep every time.

          Sometimes you have to zoom in on the change to tell the story, and the story here is both absolute death count and death rate per 100k increased under Barry-and-Joe.

          But here you go on the counts:

              1. The interesting analysis might be delta life expectancy. Looking at population age & health factors at beginning of a year it ought be possible t predict how many people of various ages will die in the course of the year (or whatever it is actuaries work from) and then compare actual deaths (in terms of foregone life-years — a disease eliminating ten thousand kids will mean more foregone lire-years than one targeting ten thousand seniors) to find the net effect.

                1. Just looking at the deaths, there *SHOULD* be an absurd drop in observed life expectancy this year, maybe next–depends on how long they drag out the slow response– and then an equally absurd spike that then slouches back down to roughly expected.

                  The young folks that are dying from this in non-freak-event ways are the same ones that screw with those tables already, aren’t they? You know, the 30 year old mom with cancer, the teenage kid with deformed lungs—

                  Oh, hell.

                  Five bucks says that this has devastated the Down’s Syndrome population, especially older ones– I know they usually have minor lung problems, but major heart issues.

                2. > life expectancy

                  Expected by whom, and based on what?

                  Even apparently simple things, you have to deep dive into every term and datum now, to see if it has been twisted to fit the Narrative.

        2. People will look at the colors first, *then* the shapes. A significant portion will never look at the numbers. Almost none of them will look at the scales.

      2. This does add an interesting follow-up question to the death numbers mentioned at the top. If the number of deaths in the first 39 weeks has increased by such a large margin from 2019 to 2020, how does it compare with the trends during the previous few years?

  16. The thing that most drives me insane is the way they trumpet the Cases at the top of every story.
    Not CURRENT cases, but CUMULATIVE. Which, of course, will never get smaller.
    Same with the deaths – cumulative.
    So, the numbers will never go down. Unless, of course, by some horrible act of insanity, Biden get elected.
    At that point, you’ll start hearing the CURRENT cases and deaths. And, everything will be, Yay! Biden SAVED us.
    I’ll probably die from concussion from banging my head on the desk.

    1. Cases, false graphs (one for mask mandates in OK or Kansas especially. To make non-mandate counties look worse off they used a different scale for each based on color. When used like a normal human the non-mandate counties came out faring massively better, in cases per.) playing the big scary numbers (world wide, using “official numbers”, in a year more people die is TB or “traffic accidents” than have of Covid, but you never hear that) and slamming talking points even after proven false (Sweden is still derided but in the latest wave is no where near as bad as the rest of the EU and really never was after the first few weeks.)

      1. And then of course the data itself is suspect because of the number of deaths from things like gunshots an accidents that are classified as CCP Virus deaths because the murder victim just happened to have tested positive for the CCP Virus a couple of days previously.

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        Hopefully the image displays; if not the link is to Insty’s open thread from 10/25.

        1. Click the link-it goes to the picture. Couldn’t figure out how to embed it so the pic shows in the thread.

        2. what numbers not inflated falsely, are inflated by policy (old folks in homes) and then there is those under-reported, so you can’t trust a damned thing. Add the fact a lot of folks never feel sick from this, and who knows what the numbers are?

          1. And don’t forget, those “tests” are also questionable, not even counting the several labs that were simply reporting “COVID-19-positive” for every sample they received.

            Sometimes it’s hard to tell the difference between malice and incompetence. And oft-times it’s both…

        3. To post images for display I have found it only works when the link ends in .png or .jpg — thus the portion (in this instance: ?w=800&h=320 {/img]) after that suffix ought be deleted.

    2. NH was at about 500 cases beginning of October; currently just over 1000 active cases. Our lowest point since March was just about 100 in early August.

    3. Not even cases as percentage of tests administered – because that might be informative. We live now in the age of the Factoid: something that resembles a fact but on close inspection proves not to be.

      Reporting the total cases detected is as informative as reporting that Sunday night, in all of Major league baseball, there were only six runs scored – and proceeding to discuss how low-scoring games are diminishing interest in the sport.

  17. “*As some of you know my husband is a mathematician. What you might not understand is what this means. What this means is that numbers are vitally, incredibly important to him. And when numbers don’t add up, he goes slightly unhinged. *

    This is what happened with Burt Rutan and AGW. He being him, he was absorbed with his little world of planes and just not paying much mind to things, until he was, I guess between some spurts of brilliance, and decided “well, everyone is harping on how bad AGW is so let me take a look and see what I can do to help.” Being a big brain someone gave him some of the models used . . . ***Bang*** right into the wall of “This S#!t does not add up at all!”
    When you hit then in what they really know, it does get their attention.

    1. The left tried to unperson the late Freeman Dyson, one of the most brilliant physicists in history, because he said that the climate models and math being used to assert that manmade C02 is causing global warming were absolute junk and utterly worthless. Even more insanely, they did so by claiming that his critique had no merit because he is not a climatologist. As if math, physics and login somehow are different when climate is involved.

          1. Screw that. Look at his two most recent. PA not only needs 3 extra days but postmark not needed. WI (IIRC) must be there by election day.

            1. Checking signatures is RRRAAACIIISSST!!! cause, I guess, minorities can’t sign their names? Or even remember them?
              My grandpa voted Republican until the day he died — but he’s been voting Democrat ever since.

              1. Not even that far. I’ll admit, my signature is a scrawl. But hell, I currently have 2 separate govt ids on my person plus more at home. It’s not that hard other than the covidiocy

    1. Maybe. Maybe, given that Roberts reportedly really likes 6-3 or better decisions he will feel free to re-attach his testicles or, at least, wear the Big Boy robes.

      A wallaby can dream.

    1. I know. My kids had an economics class (mandatory, so both had it) in highschool where they were given things like “if you’re hiring, hire to do the must social just thing” instead of competency, etc.

      1. Those classes were in violation of the Truth in Labeling Act.

        Social Justice has as much to do with Economics as Gunpowder has to do with baking biscuits.

        1. I want to see that Gunpowder Biscuit recipe!

          The expression ‘social justice’ has been traced back — to Benito Mussolini. Used it a LOT.

    1. I’m sorry, but this is what political humor is supposed to be. Good humored. And targeting everyone. Better that the “Republicans, am I right” (please clap) garbage that comes around. All four presidents of my conscious life have had easy comic tics that could be exploited and that would be relatively even handed. But not anymore.

        1. Well a senate staffer was seen with a bottle of champagne earlier… ugh. This should not be this vile. Its in plain English. Its easier to understand than a damned IKEA instruction sheet. But even when unnecessary they torture it for sheer joy

  18. Ugh. Yes, a lot of people have died since March. That is what happens when a bad flu comes around. But since this became so hard-core partisan we will never actually solve the screw ups that hurt us. Inability to test early on because of cdc dumbassery, lack of supplies depleted back in h1n1 etc. And the extent of hidin’s great plan that is propelling him to victory is “id wear a mask to be an example and make companies do what they are already doing.” Gimme the bourbon

    1. In NYC the supplies went in the front door and out the back door. They arrested one of the Chinese fences who were sending the stuff back there, that was in the Post. This has been going on for years. The nurses in the garbage bags — everyday occurrence had nothing to do with WuFlu. You were almost better off in a NY Nursing home than a NY public hospital. Bad for Cuomo the Killer so the Times told lies about it like they lie about everything else.

      I was talking to my lefty sister yesterday and she was telling me this didn’t happen despite she and I talking about exactly this back in April. Further, the NY Health department didn’t tell us to go to Chinese New Year or we were racists. All politically inconvenient things don’t exist. Being a lefty not only requires that you not know things, it requires that you unknow what you did know.

      1. So many times I wish I could throw screenshots at people, but I never think to predict what they’re going to pretend to unhappen….

      2. Apparently one of the Orthodox Jews’ great crimes, beside the hydroxychloroquine protocol working for their old folks, was that their Orthodox nursing home was the only one that refused to let in any diagnosed COVID patients, despite Cuomo’s threats to yank their license. And with the support of the rabbis, so that Cuomo couldn’t guilt them into it on religious grounds. (Which was a vile thing to attempt.)

        And whoda thunkit? No COVID infections in that nursing home. No COVID deaths. The only nursing home in NY State with no COVID deaths at all.

        1. Ow, that hurts….

          One, it shows what their plans were for those homes that didn’t “voluntarily” accept the infected into their vulnerable populations.

          Two… what if the other places had done that, too?

          I know the folks in the other homes will be wondering the same thing, when they hear.

        2. Meh. The real reason Cuomo slammed Orthodox Jews in his state is that, unlike hospitals, they failed to bundle campaign contributions to him.

          Hospitals gave Gov. Andrew Cuomo a campaign booster shot
          … [N]ow we discover that Cuomo got campaign funds from the hospital organizations that lobbied for his lethal policy for the elderly and which then bought TV ads whitewashing his culpability.

          An exclusive audit of campaign donations to Cuomo by shows disturbing links with industry bodies which demanded the disastrous order forcing nursing homes to admit COVID-infected patients hospitals didn’t want.

          Overall, the audit shows a “systematic pay-to-play culture in Albany,” says Adam Andrzejewski, CEO of, a nonprofit which has compiled a comprehensive database of US public sector expenditures.

          The pattern of patronage in New York state amounts to “a legalized money-laundering scheme aimed at monetizing incumbent political power.”

          Cuomo has received $6.2 million since 2014 from 347 companies who then made $7 billion from state contracts.

          “Did the governor operate in his own political interest or the public interest?” asks Andrzejewski, who provided his data exclusively to The Post. “Soliciting state vendors for campaign cash is highly unethical because each instance where a state vendor gave a campaign donation and received a state contract is a potential conflict of interest.”

          Most disturbing is $1 million in donations from the Greater New York Hospital Association to the governor’s re-election campaign in 2018, plus other generous in-kind support.

          The association and the health-care workers union, 1199 SEIU, also spent $5.9 million lobbying in Albany in 2018.

          A few days before the 2018 election, Cuomo approved a multibillion-dollar Medicaid rate hike for hospitals and nursing homes, which the association had lobbied for, and which allowed them to settle a pay dispute with the union.

          Then, in February 2020, Cuomo appointed association board member and Northwell Health CEO Michael Dowling and union President Dennis Rivera to co-chair the Medicaid Redesign Team.

          Dowling donated $5,000 to Cuomo six weeks before the appointment, while the union gave $15,000.

          Northwell Health received $10 million in state payments in 2019, reports Andrzejewski.

          When the pandemic hit in March, the association successfully lobbied the Cuomo administration to transfer COVID-positive patients to nursing homes to relieve pressure on hospitals.

          Despite warnings from doctors that the move represented “a clear and present danger” to other nursing home residents, Cuomo issued his directive March 25, while federally provided beds in the Javits Center and USNS Comfort hospital ship mainly lay empty.

          As we now know, the directive was a death sentence for an estimated 15,000 nursing home residents.

          With the move proving to be a legal and public-relations nightmare, the association again struck gold when it lobbied for a budget provision limiting the ability of COVID-19 victims to file malpractice suits against hospitals and nursing homes.

          Well satisfied with its investment in the governor, the association then spent millions on TV advertising that praised Cuomo’s management of the pandemic.

          You could call the ads a quid pro Cuomo. …

      3. “All politically inconvenient things don’t exist. Being a lefty not only requires that you not know things, it requires that you unknow what you did know.”

        Which is why we WILL end up shooting our way out. They weren’t reasoned in, they won’t be reasoned out, they won’t leave us alone. It’s them or us.

      4. > I was talking to my lefty sister yesterday and she was telling me this didn’t happen despite she and I talking about exactly this back in April.

        Circle the wagons and stuff any inconvenient thoughts down the Memory Hole. Check.

        Long ago (1992), a friend of mine was a big Clinton supporter, had the bumper sticker and yard signs, parroted the political slogans (“education” and usury at the time) and everything. Some years later when he matured politically, I needled him about that. He not only denies it, he gets angry.

        It seems to be more a “people” thing than a socialist thing.

    2. Note, the deaths were also up in November and December, and elevated going into January, because it was a bad flu season.

      Like Shadow warned us about, about this time, last year. :/

  19. Failure To Promote Is Not an Option:

    Failure Is Not an Option: Fight the Left’s Narrative—by Every Means at Your Disposal
    By Sarah Hoyt
    My two favorite authors, both in the end came to the conclusion that the universe is not what we thought. Robert A. Heinlein said the universe was not logical, but whimsical. And Terry Pratchett claimed the world was bound together with narrativium.

    Don’t dismiss it as a flip-turn of plot/phrase.

    In a way, they were both seeing something that most people determinedly ignore. Or perhaps, of course, they were being flippant, both of them, and it’s only by coincidence that it clicked with something that is happening.

    But I think not. Writing this from within the mind of a primarily fiction writer, I can tell you that when we drop those things in we’re responding to something our subconscious has added up without asking permission of the conscious. And while it might not be the full picture, there’s usually something in it.

    Which – I promise this is neither about writing nor science fiction – I want to talk to you about the singularity.

    The singularity is something that a particular faction of my colleagues – mostly those who go on endlessly about cyber-enhancements and such – is obsessed with. But the concept does not, primarily, relate to cyber enhancements. It is rather the idea that once we cross a certain historic point on some technology, we can’t understand the time before. And the time before can’t understand the time after.

    I have bad news. …

    1. Huh. PJMedia was annoying before, but now the extent of Sarah’s article is:

      “My two favorite authors, both in the end came to the conclusion that the universe is not what we thought. Robert A. Heinlein said the universe was not logical, but whimsical. And Terry Pratchett claimed the world was bound together with narrativium”. There’s some whitespace below and then a prompt to log in.

      Sigh. No. The page source shows it already has a bunch of trackers embedded in it; they don’t need to enhance the value of my clicks before they sell them to some spammer.

      It’s possible there’s supposed to be some text where the whitespace is, but it’s being served from a “content delivery service” outside the main page. Those CDNs are primarily spam hosts; the webmaster puts “content” there to hassle people running ad blockers. Though sometimes that sort of thing happens by scripts at the ISP level.

  20. Remember when the NY Times supported Hitler? Sigh. Memories, memories …

    Adventures in Euphemism
    The New York Times has really outdone itself, managing to write a full news story about a mob of blackshirts attacking Jews in New York without characterizing the events in question as a mob of blackshirts attacking Jews in New York.

    To take one example, the Times reports that “the two sides . . . fought over the Trump supporters’ flags.” How does that work, I wonder: “I have a flag, here I am with my flag, and I’m going to go out and find somebody to fight over it”? Of course not. The Trump people flying the flags were attacked for flying the flags.

    The Times insists that “fights erupted,” like fights just happen on their own. Political violence: just one of those things, like earthquakes or mosquitoes.

    What happened in New York is that Jews were subjected to mob violence for their political beliefs. One would think that this would be of some interest to the Times, but the Times is in this case much more interested in finding a way of not reporting the plain facts of the case.

        1. Remember when Democrats like Maxine Waters and their paramilitary arm of BLM and Antifa, along with their cadre of academics, etc., all scream about “getting rid of ‘fill in the blank’ people”, they mean it in the full Nazi Final Solution sense. And just like with the Nazi’s, Jews are at the top of their “to do” list.

        2. Brownshirts were used by the Nazis to bully and attack while riding the unrest into power, then once in power were turned upon for their “outrageous excesses” (many of the SA were gays),
          The little soyboy fascists really never learn real history . . . until it’s too late.

  21. I’m so old I remember when Democracy died in darkness; turns out some people at the Washington Post thought we needed even more light after Trump’s 2016 election:

    Want to improve democracy? Abolish the secret ballot.
    Make voters stand up for their choices.
    By Yoav Fromer
    Jan. 6, 2017 at 6:00 a.m. EST
    Add to list
    Congress will meet today to certify the electoral college vote, officially marking Donald Trump as the president-elect even though Hillary Clinton won 2.8 million more votes than he did on Election Day.

    With such a disparity, it’s no surprise that many people are calling for amending — even abolishing — the electoral college. When it comes to electoral reforms, though, we shouldn’t stop there. Yes, the electoral college is antiquated, but there is another electoral anomaly that we have come to take for granted that may have also outlived its usefulness: the secret ballot.

    Possibly the most famous Australian export ever, the right to vote in private without having to reveal your choice to anyone, was gradually implemented in the U.S. state-by-state, starting in Massachusetts in 1888. The secret ballot has undoubtedly helped buttress American democracy, helping get rid of the corruption, intimidation and even violence that were once endemic to the electoral process. By granting anonymity to voters, it gradually curtailed the corrosive influence and arm-twisting of local political machines, like New York City’s notorious Tammany Hall, and helped obviate intimidation before heading to the polls and potential retaliation when returning from them.

    But things have changed. And the very arguments that were so compelling in the late nineteenth century in favor of the secret ballot are beginning to appear outdated, even counterproductive, today. Given the sweeping demographic changes, technological innovations, economic reorganization and political centralization that have transformed America in recent decades, it might be time to rethink the way we vote and consider removing the sacred veil of secrecy that has cloaked our voting booths for so long.


    In the long term, only a more educated and critical public can combat fake news and excise this infection from the body politic. But in the short term the way to neutralize it might be by forcing it out into the open and suspending the secret ballot, at least temporarily. If someone is willing, for whatever reasons, to base their vote on unsubstantiated — and often baseless, ludicrous and delusional — reports such as those claiming that the pope endorsed Trump, that Hillary Clinton sold weapons to the Islamic State or that an FBI agent who was supposedly involved in the Clinton email investigation was found dead in a murder-suicide, that is certainly their right as voters. But they must also be forced to own up to their choice in public. That is still their responsibility as citizens.

    Yoav Fromer is the Director of the Center for the Study of the United States in Partnership with the Fulbright Program at Tel Aviv University. His new book, “The Moderate Imagination: The Political Thought of John Updike and the Decline of New Deal Liberalism” is forthcoming.

    1. Farmers make up only 2% of the U.S. population; are their opinions and needs unimportant? Another 2% – 3% work in jobs that directly support farming; should they be ignored, too?

      Democrats want 5 cities to rule the entire nation, with iron fist and empty heads. They are so ensconced in their urban bubble, they don’t have a clue what they don’t know. They will learn, when the farmers say, Enough!

      But it will be too late.
      Most days, I suspect that we could get a better government by picking 535 people at random. On bad days, I’m certain we’d get a better government by picking 535 people at random from lunatic asylums.

      1. Thanks t the Electoral College corrupt voting in a single city – or in five cities – can swing only one (or five) states’ electoral votes. The Electoral College thus serves as a firewall, limiting the damage that can be done by a few corrupt, however large, polities.

    2. Oh, and it takes a LOT of education to make somebody that stupid.
      Frederick: “Whose brain was it?”
      Igor: “Abbey somebody.”
      Frederick: “Abbey who?”
      Igor: “Abbey…Normal.”

    3. My apologies for failing to credit the NY Sun‘s Ira Stoll for drawing attention to that “perspective” today.

      Malice Toward None? Don’t Bet On It With Biden
      Robert Reich Wants a ‘Truth Commission’
      By IRA STOLL, Special to the Sun | October 26, 2020
      The Democrats are trying to make it socially unacceptable to vote to reelect Trump. It seems to be working so far, at least up to a point.
      The extraordinary powers politicians have assumed in the pandemic make it possible to ruin someone even without criminal charges. Federal, state, or local officials can arbitrarily close businesses, schools, or places of worship for “public health” reasons, without compensation to owners. Trump supporters who escape criminal charges or Reich-style lustration risk being deemed “non-essential” by a Biden-era coronavirus response team.

      Already the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is laying plans to put “people from racial and ethnic minority groups” and “people attending colleges/universities” at the front of the line for vaccine distribution. Wait for the inevitable suggestion that Trump voters get a vaccine last, as punishment for Mr. Trump’s supposed mismanagement of the pandemic.

      Some Trump critics are suggesting that the secret ballot be suspended, “at least temporarily.” They say it is to force Trump voters “to own up to their choice in public.” It would also, conveniently, make post-election retribution easier. The Black Lives Matter protesters would be looking for new targets after the Biden-Harris administration achieves instant racial comity and perfection in policing.

      Lincoln’s second inaugural promised “With malice toward none; with charity for all.” Would Biden include such language in a victory speech, if it comes to that?

      1. Robert Reich — what a perfect name for a wannabe Nazi.

        Although tribunals were more the Committee Of Public Safety’s schtick. It’s getting hard to tell which of the worst parts of history they’re trying to drag us into.
        Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!

        1. I cannot recall whence to credit this quip, but:

          “Robert Reich has two older brothers, making him the third Reich.”

    4. The reason they want to end secret ballot is the same reason they wanted card checks for union votes; so they can intimidate people into voting for their candidate and to make sure that nobody votes for the “wrong” candidate because they know that if they will do, the persecution will never end.

      I was looking for the scene in The Sopranos where Bobby Baccalieri threatens someone in a bar to vote “the right way”, but can’t find it, but this clip of a jury intimidation is in the same vein:

    5. We – my county, anyway – no longer have a secret ballot. That went away with the advent of the electronic voting machines. Nobody seemed to notice. Of the people I pointed it out to, nobody cared. Not one.

  22. Shot:
    Democratic Sen. Richard Blumenthal issued a vague threat to his Republican colleagues Monday afternoon; saying there will be “consequences” if Congress confirms Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court.

    “The fact is that our Republican colleagues are shattering the norms and breaking the rules and breaking their word, and there will be consequences,” Blumenthal said early in his remarks. “There inevitably are consequences when one person breaks his or her word to another.”

    Blumenthal did lead voters in Connecticut to believe he was a Vietnam veteran when, in fact, he was never deployed to Vietnam. He obtained at least five deferments and later served in the Marine Reserve in the Washington area, according to a New York Times article in 2010.

      1. Perhaps the party has the fraud well established that the people have no say, and don’t know it?

    1. All of Blumenthal’s premises are faulty.

      “shattering the norms”

      The ‘norms’ of what? Left-wing dominance of the Supreme Court is not a ‘norm’ no matter how much you wish it to be. The Court’s makeup is SUPPOSED to change over time. You’ve had your time.

      “and breaking the rules”

      What rules have they broken? The relevant section of the U.S. Constitution, Article 2, states:

      He [the President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

      I don’t see anything in there about “unless there is an election coming up and the Democrats really, REALLY hate his guts.” Is there some secret clause written in invisible ink that we need Benjamin Franklin’s magic glasses to see?

      “and breaking their word”

      When did the Republicans promise not to replace Ruth Ginsburg? I must have missed that.

      No, Blumenthal starts out full of shit and stays that way to the end. It’s all just a tantrum. Schumer is also a riot, complaining that the shoe they made for the Republicans pinches when it’s on the other foot. Well, TOO F’N BAD! Shit happens. Deal with it.
      Why do so many idiots believe that the way to solve our problems is to go on voting for the same shitheads that caused them?

  23. This passage, from the NY Sun‘s Brexit Diary, seems apropos to our current situation at least as much to Britain’s:
    rally to [Viscount] Bolingbroke’s banner proclaiming liberty: ‘If you cease the combat, you give up the cause; and that he, who does not renew, on every occasion, his claim, may forfeit his right.’

    We may indeed lose this election and far more beyond that, but we need never concede their right to strip us of our liberties, merely their power.

  24. WP apparently ate my previous comment…

    You want to show your hubby this and see what he thinks- an engineer does some analysis in COIVD data (its about a month old)

      1. The site y’all had, that had it state by state and county by county croaked (loaded but no data) a while back for me, then I misplaced the link.

  25. In Ohio there is even a parody mask hotline: 234-400-MASK .

    Boy they are so done with their RINO governor.

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