The Flip – a Blast From The Past from May 30th 2017

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*I thought this was a good one for right now.  You might also – SAH*

There is a funny thing that happens, when you find out that everything you have ever known is a lie.

I’ve watched friends go through this when they found out they were adopted, or that their parents really weren’t their parents (well, okay, usually the father) or that their parents weren’t the people they thought they were (by which I mean, say, discovering that one of their parents had a criminal record, or even that their parents had never actually got married.)

I’ve never had a revelation of that magnitude, or that personal.  I’ve had a lot of small ones over the times, as I discovered that things like teachers’ interpretation of history were not “true.”  They were usually just someone’s interpretation, filtered through what was fashionable at the time: and given the time I was in school, that was usually Marxism.

Of when I started correlating things in my head and realized that things like Chariot of the Gods couldn’t be true.

All my revelations came in slowly, on a drip, and not on matters closely related to me.  This means that, though you could look at me and see where most of my opinions and interests (not all.  I’ve always been a bookish person) have changed since my early twenties, there was never a break, a moment where I wasn’t myself.  There was a continuum.  It just so happens that I started out as an indoctrinated socialist twerp, (even though I was always anti-communist, and suspicious of socialists, I didn’t realize how much of their philosophy permeated everything I was taught in school.  Heck, I’m still having these realizations and I’m past fifty), and ended up wherever I am now, I guess the party of “leave people alone, don’t hurt them and don’t take their stuff.”

Therefore there was never a period of acting out, rebelling against everything, and generally being a crazy woman.  My friends who had their reality “ripped” from under them and rebuilt, sometimes in minutes, usually had one of those periods: a “I’m going to go to India and learn Yoga” or “I’m now a Vegan and my assumed name is  zityhgmn, pronounced John.” And sometimes, btw, they would hysterically deny what they’d just found.

In the end, they returned to being more or less the people they were before.  But sometimes there were very odd years, there in the middle.

Why this is is important: mostly because it can help us understand what society is going through and what lies ahead.  It’s an imperfect analogy of course — all analogies are imperfect — mostly because people aren’t cultures.  And yet, if you kind of squint and abstract to the highest points, people and cultures are remarkably similar, though most cultures blame like crazy teen people, and some — I’m looking at you Europe — are remarkably emo, sitting in their rooms with the lights off, having bad relationships, and engaging in self-harm.

The point is that all cultures change all the time.  The idiots on both the left and the right who think culture is genetic have issues with this concept, but if cultures didn’t change, all the time, very gradually (just like people change all the time, very gradually) we’d all be hunting gathering and living in small family groups/tribes.  (Actually most of us wouldn’t exist.  The lifestyle wouldn’t support it.)

But some cultures change suddenly and traumatically.  What we did to Japan, ripping out everything they ever believed in, and substituting an arguably far less toxic (or at least dangerous) culture is one example.

This seems to have very weird effects, as it does in people.  On Japan, it seems to have had the effect of such civilizational loss of confidence that they might go extinct from lack of procreation.  If they don’t, at some point they’ll return to something like what they were before, though the details will be wildly different and integrate the change.

The same thing goes for WWI, which sort of ripped the ideas that Europe had of itself in itty bitty bits, and remade them as something else wholly different.  Europe is in that emo funk because of it, and exaggerates its crimes and embraces anything different, because everything different must be better.  It seems to be wearing off though — not very clear, yet, but there are rumbles — and if it does, it will be suddenly, as it is in people, and Europe will become more or less what it was before.  Maybe more so, in fact.  It might embrace previous versions of itself with a fervor it never had before, because the emo phase has been so bad for it.  If this does happen (and again, it already seems to be) there’s going to be a shock (and awe) heard around the world.

But the same thing applies to groups within a culture.  All of us, (except maybe the very young, here) started out living in a world where there was a single integrated media, and the media companies were more or less controlled (by choice, I want to emphasize) by a group who all thought the same, and who had become decidedly Marxist early on.

Since the entertainment companies were the same, the… lie, for lack of a better word (it wasn’t so much a lie because most of the people propagating it weren’t conscious of lying.  They were simply watching the world through a distorting political theory) came at everyone as a seamless whole.  For instance, the ideas that capitalism was inherently bad for people, or created mental illness, probably first dreamed up in USSR think-tanks, was propagated through slants on news, through story lines in movies and books and even through songs.  One of the times I remember seeing the story line was a soap opera where a worthy character who has done everything right kills himself for lack of money, and his son becomes a “righteous communist.”

This “unified voice” has started to break down.  In fact, the propagators of the “universal truth” that isn’t, are getting fairly drowned out, and, in their despair, sounding more and more obviously biased and crazy.

To most of us this is funny to watch, because we came of age under the unified lie, saw something that we couldn’t ignore and popped us out of it, and this led to little by little emerging from and rejecting the vision behind the lie.

It was so gradual that we changed without fracturing.

This isn’t true for people who are right now exposed to dissonant “truths” and consciously or not starting to realize there is no one thing “all right thinking people believe.”

A lot of the behavior we’re seeing right now is the result of that dissonance.  They’re starting to suspect everything they know is a lie, and most of them are embracing it with twice the fervor and also acting more than a little crazy.

Some of them are already in the advanced stages of this, and landing on the other side with their opinions flipped, but their behavior exactly the same, and just as tiring and annoying to sane people.

And some think their world is coming apart, don’t want to admit it and propagate myths of prison camps and genocide, just to justify their horrible feelings of anxiety that they can’t admit is based on the shattering of former beliefs.

This explains why it feels like everyone (including people most of us thought were sensible) seems to have lost their minds.

It doesn’t help to either get to the other side, or stop the crazy.  This thing is a process, and takes its time.  Also, the news is never going to be unified again (though many seem to want it) and the trickle will continue.  Only believe it or not, that trickle was too rapid for most of them.

We’re just going to have to let them scream and slam their room door till they come out of it.

But perhaps having a comparison and a handle to the situation will make it easier.

Be not afraid.  And carry on.

316 thoughts on “The Flip – a Blast From The Past from May 30th 2017

  1. I got to the very end and this line confused me: “But perhaps having a comparison and a handle to the situation will make it easier.” I was expecting more after that. Easier for who – us or them? What comparison are you talking about? Did I miss that earlier in this essay? It’s early, and maybe I’m just denser than usual, lol. Or need more coffee.

    1. Yes. Although we’re more likely to make use of it.

      (Did anybody else run through a personal checklist to figure out if their stress is from their world-view cracking, or from being around a bunch of cracked folks?)

      And more coffee is generally a good idea. *raises mug of iced Vietnamese instant coffee in a salute*

      1. 99% sure mine is from all the cracked folks–admittedly, I’m “dealing” with them via news reports (thank G*d for the isolation of Nowhere, Wyoming!), but even so they’re stressing me the hell out with the craziness. Given that at this point, the “screaming and slamming the door of their room” has now been more or less solid and nonstop for nigh-on FOUR YEARS, and they’ve just increased the volume and begun breaking the breakables…they need to KNOCK IT OFF ALREADY.

        (Although I am glad the mask hasn’t just slipped, it’s fallen RIGHT off. And even though they think people don’t notice, I’m pretty sure people are definitely noticing.)

        1. Tried to convey to my mom how incredibly isolated so many city people have been by teh last several months.

          I think she’s getting it… not sure, though.

        2. Conversely, I’m perhaps less stressed than I’ve been in decades. As you say the mask has been flung right off and, well, without that, I don’t have to pretend to go along with it anymore. And every day I say Thank God Trump is My President.
          ===

          Stress: what the body experiences when the mind overrides its perfectly reasonable desire to choke the living shit out of some asshole who desperately deserves it.

          1. I think I’m suffering anxiety. I’ve been having trouble sleeping the last several months, but now I have aches in my back and legs, and feel very restless. I’ve also been feeling lightheaded when I stand up or work around the yard outside. Good thing I have a doctor appt coming up soon.

            1. I inherited a fitbit; watching the shift in my resting heart rate (a sign of stress, among other things) has been instructive.

            2. I’ve been having trouble sleeping the last several months, but now I have aches in my back and legs, and feel very restless. I’ve also been feeling lightheaded when I stand up or work around the yard outside.


              Trouble sleeping leads to the aches, restlessness, & lightheaded symptoms, been there. Got a sleep study out of it. My cause was minor sleep apnea. Definitely sleeping a lot better. Dreams are back (didn’t realize they were gone, but they were). General all over aches are gone. Still more to do though.

            3. Just had my semiannual diabetes checkup. Echo cardiogram was as previous; nothing horrible. Resting heart rate is 44 today; the extreme bicycling in the early ’90s might still have an effect. The cardio doc gets a look in 6 weeks. A1c sugar check came out at 5.6 (7+ is uncontrolled diabetes), so the doc changed my Metformin–0 mg per day. Yesssss!

              Considering Metformin gives me constipation (more common side effect is diarrhea; go figure), this means I can phase the psyllium powder out this week.

              I still need to watch blood sugars, but that’s easy.

              I can live with this…

              1. Great news.

                I’m am constantly running to the rest room. I’m sure my comfort food eating the last month or so isn’t helping things any.

              2. Have you considered one of those fiber pills? A known side-effect (or sold for effect, depending on the company) is that it lowers how fast and hard sugar hits your blood.

                1. The psyllium husk was for GI issues, not so much sugar issues. I do take cinnamon for its reported effects on glycemic control. Things went a bit wonky a few years back when I had to start the Metformin, but for a long time, I could keep blood sugar under control with diet.

                    1. Thanks! I saw that on looking up metformin data this morning, but didn’t pay much attention. I’ve been on it 2 years, so any B12 deficiency should not be overly bad. In general, the more you take and the longer you take it, it’s worse. I was on 2 years, starting at 1000mg/day, then a year later 500mg/day. One writeup indicated problems were showing up at the 5 year mark with a study at 850mg/day. Interestingly enough, the neuropathy that’s a problem with diabetes is also a symptom of [drum roll] B12 deficiency. None of the other symptoms seem to be showing.

                      The articles on metformin cessation were singularly unhelpful; they all assumed the patient was quitting on their own hook, with the advice “don’t do it!” so there were no heads-up as to what to expect. OTOH, the doctor didn’t give any warnings; he seldom has to decrease/eliminate meds from his patients, so I get to be the corner case. Again. Oh well. Not my first time as guinea pig.

                      So far, not much in the way of overt withdrawal symptoms. I normally check blood sugars on Odd days, but better do daily for a few, just in case.. I’m tapering the psyllium, and will be at 1/3rd dose tomorrow. We’ll see how the GI system behaves. Medium normal today.

                    2. Enough to cause anemia? I just went off Actos. I’m still on: Insulin 35 mg, Metformin 1000 mg and Trulicity 0.75 mg. In addition to all my other meds.

          1. Casper’s nice. that’s where Youngest Brother and his wife are right now (he’s going to school, that’s where her job is). Not as horrifically windy and miserably cold as Laramie is, at least! (I like Laramie. But I do NOT like Laramie-winters. They’re worse than most of the rest of the state’s already-awful winters.)

            I work in Rawlins but I do not–thank goodness–live there. :p

            1. I recall a cross country drive in late April when I-80 was closed at Rawlins. I had a white-out blizzard while driving behind a big rig at Evanston (he could see the road; I feared trying to pull over would have left me liable to be run over), but by the time I hit Rawlins, the snow had melted enough.

              Protip: don’t try the salads at the Rawlins Subway. For that matter, any Subway. 🙂 (I can’t eat the sandwiches unless it’s with gluten-free bread, generally delivered to stores via unicorn express. OTOH, MacD’s has tolerable salads.)

        3. Lots of people notice, but it seems more people than not are okay with the face under the mask and signing up to be like that. Sure, maybe it is out of fear more than agreement, but in the end does that matter if you are facing the pointy end of the mob.

  2. I found out at age 15 that I was adopted by my father … which I took in stride as he was a decent father … it was not until he passed away when I was 22 that I found out he himself had been adopted by his father (we both had our birth mothers) … It is a bit odd realizing you have no blood associated with your last name, changes the way you look at tradition and family as it relates to blood vs upbringing …

    1. When you don’t have something other people insist is necessary it gets you thinking. Many things are insisted to be necessary / must not happen. Most of them are wrong.

      Of course the trick is to not proceed to toss out something that truly is necessary.

  3. I owe everyone here a thanks and apology. Especially to our Hostess (for not banning me while tolerating the endless torrent of crap), and Foxfier (for bearing the brunt of much of the arguing).

    With other’s help I’ve worked through a number of…. “mistruths” I was taught (I won’t quite call them lies as the teacher didn’t know). Among them what was arguably the central question of my entire life, even though it was a long time before I ever thought to question it.

    Not that that solves every question of course, but it makes many others seem less overpowering.

    1. Don’t beat yourself up over it. A lot of the time, as far as I noticed, you weren’t any more obnoxious than I have been.

      If a behavior is obnoxious /and/ unjust, correct it; everyone grows and learns from mistakes. Massive guilt over mistakes at, say, the age of ten are not productive. People notice when you work on your behavior.

      1. I’ve actually been fortunate enough to be able to do this a year or two ago: someone in a discord was having almost daily freakouts about all the stupid people in the world (mostly directed toward anti-vaxers). I and a few others finally talked him down and explained that you can’t spend your time freaking out and not go nuts. And that there is always going to be Something Wrong in the world; fix what you can, don’t get too worked up about the rest.

        From what I’ve seen the lesson was taken to heart.

    2. I accept you thanks with bewilderment (as is usually the case).
      But to me I do not see where any apology is required or desired.
      If you truly wish to extend such, I shall accept, though I am even MORE bewildered.
      Perhaps ox slow. That ok. World can be screwy without ox help.

  4. The prison camps and genocide were real. They just can’t accept that they were the inevitable consequence of what they were taught was ‘the one and only Greatest Good’ in the world. Prison camps and genocide must be universal, must be normal, and the Eeevul Capitalist versions must be much worse.

    Since they have not been taught to think, only to ‘feel’, they can’t reconcile their inner certainty with the objective reality that those Eeeevul Capitalist prison camps don’t exist.
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    “They were the bad guys, as you say, we were the good guys, and they made a very satisfying THUMP when they hit the floor!”

    1. The thing I’ve been finding is more that bad things are automatically capitalist, and so the prison camps and genocide are subversions of their holy movement.

      I’ve been trying to write an essay on this for weeks, after… er, getting in an argument with a friend from back-in-the-day and having her delete her reply before I got around to responding. (I did take eight hours, so it’s kind of on me.) Capitalism is what you call it when things are done for profit instead of the greater good and the protection of life. Basically, the whole “state capitalism” concept. Whenever the people in charge of the grand plan start doing bad things, they’re doing it for their own profit, and thus, state capitalism.

      I have to think that not every self-described socialist really thinks that once we throw off the bonds of capitalist slavery everyone’ll just have everything they want/need without other concerns, but that does seem to be where most of the people I’ve talked to about it are. x_x

      1. That sounds like an even more obviously Christian heresy version of communism– would jujitsuing it into allowing “communism” inside of “capitalism” work? Or is the “Communism” too nebulous to do that with?

      2. I’ve had a lot of fun confronting people with the thought; “Capitalism is the belief that an economy based on greed is preferable to one based on fear.”

          1. It is only stealing if you emblazon it on t-shirts, mouse-pads* and coffee mugs then sell them without paying a royalty. Don’t be Chinese CCP.

            *Does anybody still use those?

            1. Yup. Although I am irked that I have to PAY for them nowadays, since I stopped working for people that sent me off to conferences to collect them. Probably ended up with a dozen every year…

              I remember one really neat one that was space themed – filled with a gel and little sparkly bits against a background. Should have just framed the durn thing, though; it was absolutely worthless as a mouse pad.

              1. I passed on one done as a tiny persian rug. Wish I had bought it.

                OTOH, the arm in The Comfy Chair is mouse friendly. Matt naughahyde type stuff.

            2. Yes! a) my wrist hurts w/o some cushion, b) some surfaces don’t do well with optical rodents, though in general, the newer ones do better. OTOH the barn/shop computer mouse dates to 2001 and is still going, but the melamine desk surface defeats it entirely.

          1. Ask them what motivates someone to work, if not the desire to get paid. Altruism exists, and there are people who are reliably motivated by it, but it is neither constant nor universal in most humans. So what is left is fear…and the history of Socialist experiments shows that it is not a good motivation. It gets people to do the minimum.

            The most successful examples of collectivism are religious communities, and even they fail most of the time.

            1. Many people do significant volunteer work, with no greater reward than the knowledge they’ve contributed to their society. But coerced volunteerism — which is what Socialism promises — just doesn’t provide the same thrill.

            2. I may well be off, but I think when you ask that question about the motivation to work, a progressive will think ,or feel, something like, “Well, if they don’t want to work for the common good, they ought to!” And that leads on to, “And we’ll make them!”

      3. Our Esteemed Hostess had a post up quite a while back that mentioned a comment made on a friend’s social media page. Someone apparently put up a reply on that page insisting that Lenin and Stalin were right-wingers. It wasn’t their ideology that made them right-wing. Instead, it was claimed that any sort of military action or similar stuff was “right-wing”.

        That’s similar to what you describe.

        1. Well, every leftist I’ve heard from denies that the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany was socialist and on the left.

          Being one short step to the right of the communists did NOT make them right-wing!
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          Watson: “Who would commit a murder on such a beautiful day?”
          Holmes: “I would hope, no one.”
          Watson: “You’ve brought your revolver.”
          Holmes: “I spoke of my hopes, not my expectations.”

  5. But the crazy can be dangerous. History shows that over and over. The Reign of Terror probably wasn’t the first time it happened. It certainly wasn’t the last.

    When one side demands that everyone think like they do, act like they do, vote like they do, then anyone who doesn’t is part of the dissonance. And must be “helped” to understand the error of their ways. Which isn’t quite what the Cultural Revolution was about, but not a bad approximation.

    (Note, the original Tweets are gone, but the internet rarely fogets)

    1. He’s just saying what many in these institutions believe, and I’m watching them take power.

    2. Replace “conservative” with the name of literally any other group for maximum effect.

    3. Which terror?

      It’s sad that there have been so many, you need to be specific, even if you’re just limiting yourself to fairly recent history…

      Looking at them, it’s interesting to note that none of them appeared to be all that successful…

      1. “The Reign of Terror” (Wikipedia list “The Terror” as an acceptable abbreviation because that is what the French call it.) 1793 – either with the formation of the Revolutionary Tribunal in France or The Committee for Public Safety until the fall of Robespierre in July of 1794.

        As many as 4000 people who “did not support the Revolution” were drowned at Nantes. 17,000 were guillotined.

              1. Nonsense. Hitler became EVIL when he invaded the USSR. (Nevermind that since the USSR had both built up its forces on the border and gotten surprised by the attack — merely planning to attack you doesn’t justify your attacking.)

        1. Cool. But there was a terror in every revolution, including the American revolution. That one was fortunately short lived and kept in check, which annoyed Thomas Payne.
          You’re trusting wikipedia, really? Consider what they say about yours truly. If you believe them, you should NOT be here.

          1. I don’t trust them. But when I say The Reign of Terror and someone asks me “which one” (when I’m talking about history) they don’t get anything else

          2. Next they’re going to ask “What’s the Holodomor?” Which Holocaust? How many Native Americans were killed under the Californian Extermination bounty of 1850? When you mention the “Trail of Tears” which one do you mean… I can go on at length all the way back to the expulsion of Jews from England after Richard was ransomed from the Turks. (Which law was on the books until the 1950 BTW)

            1. Though I have learned that how long a law is on the books usually has little to do with how long it is enforced, because it takes positive action to repeal a law, and Congress (or Parliament in this case) usually has other things to spend their time on. (Note I did not say “better” things). Which is why I favor the proposal often advanced here that all laws should come with a 10- or 20- or 50-year sunset clause built in. That way the ones that everyone wants to keep (laws against murder and theft and so on) will get renewed, while the “no riding your horse backwards on Sunday” laws will automatically fall off the books with no effort needed.

              Of course, Congress would just make a habit of passing an omnibus renewal bill every year that renewed all laws due to sunset this year, and totally bypass the intent. So in practice it wouldn’t work, sadly.

              1. Okay, then include a rule that bans omnibus renewal bills. Require that each bill to be renewed be debated and voted on separately.

                1. We can’t even get a line-item veto passed. The Congresscritters KNOW most of the shit they push on us can’t stand on its own, so they HAVE to wrap it up in a giant shit sandwich and shove the whole thing through. Like the communism and anti-gun attachments in the coronavirus ‘relief’ bills.

                  Bypassing the one-law-only requirement would be their FIRST priority.
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                  A politician is worse than a toilet. They’re both full of shit — but at least you can flush the toilet.

                  1. We can’t even get a line-item veto passed.


                    Grumble. That’d be so cool to have a line-item veto pass. Or each item must stand and pass on it’s own, no multiple items whether related or not.

                    What is frustrating about the Oregon Bills. The Legislature can put together and pass packaged bills. Don’t know if governor has line item veto or not. But any law put to the general vote must be a single clear item, no grouping, related or not; regardless if from legislature or public initiative. Thus “Add Sales Tax. Eliminate Income Tax.” cannot be brought to a vote. It has to be two bills. Which is why the concept will never be allowed. Legislature is afraid “Eliminate Income Tax” will pass and “Add Sales Tax” will fail. Public is afraid “Eliminate Income Tax” will fail and “Add Sales Tax” will pass.

            2. You actually greatly weaken your argument by changing it to The Reign of Terror, rather than The Terror; the former is a lot more common.

              The additional flailing further weakens matters, too.

              1. I am not changing it, just point out that it is thing that has a name. It has been a thing with name for close to 200 years. (Not sure when it was coined) Certainly more than 150 years.

                Long enough that everyone with an interest in history should know something about The Reign of Terror without links to web search.

                Shall I dust off “Let me Google that for you?”

                1. I am not changing it, just point out that it is thing that has a name.

                  And throwing a several comment long snit about someone pointing out in a nicely dry manner that it’s a really common name of a really freaking common human phenomena.

                  Shall I dust off “Let me Google that for you?”

                  Why not? It’s not like it will make you look any more like an utter twit than you’ve already managed.

                  Super seeeeekret hint:
                  when multiple people point out that hey, this isn’t a bone ignorant location, you miiiiiight want to consider that people here are not automatically ignorant idiots, and perhaps reconsider if sneering at them will cause those peasants to respond as you desire.

                    1. I must admit, I am getting really, really tired of the popularity of contempt as opposed to communication of late. It’s hard enough to convey information without someone actively sticking a shiv in, y’know?
                      (Insert Spock picture, re: humor, difficult concept)

                      I’ve never been very fond of folks trying to bull or brow-beat me into a position, and I have not improved with age and the current circumstance.

                  1. OK You win. I’m gone. But before I go I will recap.

                    1. I mentioned The Reign of Terror.
                    2. Someone didn’t seem to know that was a particular period in French history. So I referenced the Wiki. (And I stand by my statement – if TRX was being sarcastic, well that isn’t sarcasm)
                    3. I was called onto the carpet for referencing the Wiki.
                    4. I reference Encyclopedia Britannica. By this point my blood is up, because at least 3 people have dogpiled.
                    5. I did get a little snippy after at least one person joined the fray. (Oh no, someone is being mean on the internet… I’m sure that has never happened in the history of forever. Or something.)

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                    1. There’s no need to leave, just understand the Rules of the Venue.

                      Because many commentators participate via email there can be a tendency to dog-pile, each email arriving without indication of subsequent comments. Each person responding therefore is likely unaware others have already extended the discussion. Think of this as akin to a bar-room in which many loud-mouths are prone to chime in on any discussion, sometimes long after the initial point was made, rather than as a salon where the Marquis of Queensbury rules.

                      Yeah, around here Wiki is granted very limited credence, for reasons which probably don’t require exposition. Encyclopedias are similarly viewed as problematic source — these reference sources are best used only for objectively confirmable data, e.g. dates or similar information, such as Lincoln was the 16th president. Otherwise primary sources are best … although I will grant that general information about the French Disease should have probably been accepted.

                      Sometimes the sarcasm here is unaccountably subtle. I don’t know why, having never, myself, learned the meaning of the word (I’ve tried looking it up but all I ever find is a picture of me.) Sadly, on the internet nobody can hear you chuckle.

                      If you return, two words of advice: Properly introduce yourself to the proprietress and never trust a wallaby.

                    2. When my first comment says “The Reign of Terror” – though to be fair, I did NOT put it in quotes, and then I end up in a discussion with SEVERAL people about why I am talking about “The Terror” I don’t know if I will be back.

                      Arguing about what I DID NOT SAY (or write, in this case) lost its appeal while Ronald Reagan was President.

                      Mea Culpa. I answered a stupid question – yes I know, no such thing – with a stupid answer and I had the gall to reference the stupid reference.

                      No introductions are needed, because the deepness of the dog pile lost its appeal when Bill Clinton was in office. So enjoy your debating society, where the motto seems to be “Newcomers will burned at the stake.”

                    3. Okay. First, who are you? Since I don’t remember approving a first comment by you.
                      Second, Oh, give it up, do. We have newcomers all the time.
                      Unless you are ACTUALLY a twelve year old girl screaming “You all hate me” and bursting into tears before you run upstairs slamming the door, you’re just making yourself look crazy.
                      And for crazy we already have Bob. You risk making yourself redundant.

                    4. OK You win. I’m gone.

                      Dude, great job showing that YOU were in a pissing match, while trying to shove it off on others.

                      “Hey, standard combox manipulation attempts didn’t work– I know! I’ll do it again!”

                      I’d give it a 4. TRX is easy to argue with, but not to bully,

                      Seriously, did you even skim the other posts and comments? Even if this is a normal coping mechanism for you, it should’ve sunk in that it isn’t going to work, here.

                    5. It didn’t start as a pissing match. YOU said I wrote about “The Terror” my initial comment included “The Reign of Terror” – minus the quotes. I then end up under a dogpile about something I mentioned in passing. As far as I can tell, no one ever dealt with the main point of my original comment. And I’m the one violating the rules.

                    6. Your original statement was Reign of Terror, then you dragged in Wikipedia appealing to the French, and then you decided that people pointing out that it’s a very common phenomena in revolutions was an attack AND that acting like an offended teenager with a side of pompous was an awesome strategy.

                      TO SOMEONE F*ING AGREEING WITH YOU about how common it is.
                      But gosh! He did it wrong, thus everybody who doesn’t genuflect is “dogpiling” you, and the FIVE comments that are supportive but didn’t catch your eye don’t exist.

                      And YOU completely ignored TRX’s point re: how successful they tend to be.

                      But go on, poor little victim, keep going down the checklist of bad com-box attempts to manipulate.

                    7. OK, not that anybody asked me, but my impression of the conversation — leaving aside our esteemed hostess’s questions about your choice of name — is thus:

                      You made a perfectly good opening post!

                      Your main point was not particularly exceptionable, which is perhaps one reason it has not been the focus of lengthy replies. The second is that TRX asked a semi-rhetorical, semi-ironical question, which I took to be positive toward your original point at the time, by highlighting the recurrence of the phenomenon, and a tangent developed.

                      Generally, newcomers are welcome enough, if somewhat cautiously because we have had rashes of trolls. I’ve seen as harsh disagreements among regulars as anyone’s had with you, sometimes the same ones over and over again. On the other hand, it’s easy to step on toes or feel stepped on as a consequence of not being used to the patterns — for example, as at least one person mentioned already, the tendency for several people to throw in their two cents on an interesting topic before reading every other reply or, given WordPress’s vagaries, before previous replies have actually become visible.

                      I can understand misunderstanding TRX’s comment, but to my mind, where things went wrong was that your reply came off as condescending and things deteriorated from there. Still, I hardly think this is irrecoverable. You seem interesting, even if there’ve been some prickles roughed up the wrong way.

                      But if tangents or having several people jump into the conversation independently will tend to bug you, then… I’m afraid you are not likely to enjoy yourself here and I can only commend your decision to go. Best of luck.

                    8. It wasn’t several people jumping into the conversation. That has been the case at EVERY website since the internet replaced bulletin boards. The one redeeming quality of bulletin boards and 300 baud, was that only one person could talk at a time.

                      I referenced “The Reign of Terror” as an anecdote in support of a point I was trying to make.

                      NO ONE. Well, almost no one, responded to that original post and the point I was trying to make. I point I may add, which CONTRADICTED the host of this website.

                      From my point of view I was immediately ATTACKED on everything from what I DID NOT write, in that original post, to my VERY BAD manners in referencing the Wiki to answer a question I didn’t think I should answer. If you don’t know what The Reign of Terror is, look it up (you do have access to all the knowledge stored on the internet, after all). I was asked “Which Reign of Terror did I mean?” How many are there? The Holodomor and the Holocaust were certainly reigns of terror, but neither was the Reign of Terror. Nor was the Reign of Terror, the Trail of Tears, or The Killing Fields of Cambodia, or any of the rest.

                      But I was ATTACKED for that.

                      So as I said before. Enjoy the “Newcomers will be burned at the stake” debating society. I got over that before Al Gore invented the Internet.

                    9. I thought you’d said you were out of here?

                      Go or stay, but how about moving o rather than continuing an argument over argument style?

                    10. As for “my choice of name” I have been Zendo Deb since before I started blogging in 2004.

                      I used to own a 37 foot Hunter Cutter named Zendo. My first name if Debra. I selected an email address based on that.

                      When I started blogging… https://wheelgun.blogspot.com/ was a long time ago I used that email and that handle.

                      If you, or the hostess, or anyone else has a problem with that…. well, as the Nixon transcripts said “expletive deleted”

                    11. As for ‘my choice of name’ I have been …

                      I suspect you’ve missed the point o this one, as the issue was how you got authorization to comment here without the proprietress authorizing your participation. Initial comments require such authorization as a means of avoiding various types of trolling*, spamming and otherwise commentators “selling” services other than those accepted as consistent with the purposes of the venue.

                      Not that any of this matters to you, eh Deb? I’m just putting it on the record for any persons wandering in here wondering what happened.

                      *Trolling by bots, that is — we have what you would apparently consider a hyper-active “immune system” regarding live trolls.

              2. If somebody capitalizes The Terror, I know exactly what they are referring to. Just like The Bomb, or The Plague.

                1. I know which is is probable that they’re talking about simply by playing the odds, but much like when someone talks of The Crusades, a location with this many history buffs will seriously complicate matters.

                  And when a history joke is obvious enough that even I get it, sneering at someone like they’re an ignorant four year old is a really, really bad look.

                  1. *points* See, like that. And I know I’ve heard of at least one other, plus ‘reign of terror’ is a very popular description in the kinds of stories we tend to read, here.

                2. If somebody capitalizes The Terror, I know exactly what they are referring to.

                  Most people with even a modest knowledge of history will. Pedantry on the topic adds nothing to the discussion.

          3. Since you object so strongly to the Wiki (which is deserved I grant you) … Here’s Encyclopedia Britannica.

            Reign of Terror, also called the Terror, French La Terreur, period of the French Revolution from September 5, 1793, to July 27, 1794

            And I disagree with the start date because it is 5 months after the formation of the Committee for Public Safety, which really got the ball rolling, though that is probably when the mass killings started. (Other sources give other dates.)

            And yes, there is terror in most revolutions. There is terror going on in Seattle and Chicago and elsewhere. But “The Reign of Terror” is a thing. It has been a thing with a name for more than 150 years. So when I say (or write) The Reign of Terror, among people who I consider to be generally educated, I don’t really expect to have to answer the question “which one am I talking about?”

            Put “The Reign of Terror” (I capitalized it in the original comment) into your favorite search engine and see what happens. (In DuckDuckGo, aside from Britannica and the Wiki there are 2 pages that include reference to a movie – about THAT reign of terror – an episode of The Time Tunnel, and an episode of the original Doctor Who (both ditto).

            When I talk about The Trail of Tears, do I need to specify what that was or “which one” I mean? The Holodomor? (I know people don’t know what that is.) Hell people are confused about the Armenian Genocide, and that’s been in the news (in the past 5 years or so.) Does anyone remember the Hutu/Tutsi conflict? Maybe you saw the Movie Hotel Rwanda? Pol Pot? There was a movie about that as well. If I mention The Great Leap Forward, are you confused? Should I put that in quotes?

            Do people know what the Roman Empire was? The Golden Horde? Who Alexander of Macedonia was? Who The Vandals were, before we gave that name to anyone breaking windows? I know you don’t know Suleiman the Magnificent, or Mehmed the Conqueror, or Tamerlane were. What about Kristallnacht? I was talking to some 20-something kids recently… they had no clue about the Cold War, the partition of Germany, who the Stazi were, or what Checkpoint Charlie was. So I guess this shouldn’t surprise me. Though it does.

            Like I said in some other venue, History used to be a subject taught in school, but it was never handled very well. Like most things taught in school. And today they don’t even try to teach history.

            History. Ignorance. Rinse. Repeat.

            1. Zendo Deb, TRX was being a bit sarcastic.

              And just for future reference, this blog includes a lot of amateur and professional historians, reenactors, history buffs, avid readers, and foreign policy folks who do and have lived around the world. You’ll probably be pleasantly surprised (or irked, when the thread sails into the proverbial historical minutia weeds) by what you find. We tend to be somewhat sarcastic and snarky, so sometimes it helps to ask if someone’s being serious if you’re not familiar with their “voice” yet. Even us regulars sometimes forget that we don’t really have that long-sought sarcasm font.

                1. You didn’t approve that name because I didn’t ask for your APPROVAL. I have been blogging as Zendo Deb since 2004, and in WordPress since 2012.

                  If you want to exclude WordPress.com users who are known and have a long history, then you need to work HARDER. At least to understand the ins and outs of WordPress.

                  See… https://wheelgun.wordpress.com/ for my thoughts on most things.

                  1. Rolls eyes.
                    No. Stop being obtuse.
                    I have to approve people the first time they comment on this blog. Your name is weird enough I SHOULD remember it. I don’t. No one else has the keys to my blog.
                    This coupled with your weird combativeness set off all the alarm bells.

                    1. No. Stop being obtuse.

                      Chica is now knee-deep in self martyrdom because she thinks nobody responded to her “point” that disagreed with you– when there are several in her comment, most of them have been beaten to death, and the only one that’s left is that crazy can be dangerous.

                      Gosh, there’s a point that is clearly in conflict with…uh… wait, it’ll come to me, eventually…..

                    2. Oh, dear. I didn’t follow the link and assumed dude because the “everyone is disrespecting me” is such a male thing.
                      ….. Meh. As someone who is assumed to be male online despite name, I shouldn’t do that.

                    3. *shrugs* It’s possible she’s lying– first nasty manipulator I ran into was probably a 20-or-30 something male, claimed to be a mid-teens male to me, and a low-teens female to others he thought that would work better on– but not like it matters.

                    4. I’m willing to consider she might have misinterpreted the whole thing.
                      Most people who have read this blog more than once KNOW I wasn’t saying what’s going on isn’t dangerous, which seemed to be what she disagreed with me on.
                      They know what I meant was that they can’t win in the long run and establish the Communist SA.
                      So the misinterpretation in a new person hit others funny, I’m sure, as it did me.
                      BUT it’s not the first time we misinterpret someone.
                      However, the entire sequence reads really bizarre to me.
                      …… OTOH no one is quite hitting right this year and after all the shit. Some of my friends are being very strange indeed.

                    5. What bugs me is the big bunch of agreeing-with-her comments are ignored, and the one that wasn’t even really disagreeing with her is what she fixated on, to the point of nothing else existing.

                      Even that wouldn’t be so much, except for the instant contempt response.

                    6. I’m sorry I don’t measure up to your standards of femaleness. I never have. (Lesbian. My sister – who’s a special ed teacher says I have Asperger Syndrome. And a lifetime working in InfoTech) Though for some reason I can’t actually reply to the comment that includes the dis.

                    7. And there you go.
                      No, I was chastising myself for assuming you were male, because people do that to me.
                      If I had standards of femaleness, they’d be very strange.
                      Again, are you all right?

                    8. If you’ve been here for more than two minutes, you’d know my FANS refer to me as “A white mormon male” with a great rack. The great rack is true, the rest is what the left decided I was. (Rolls eyes.)

                  2. WHY in holy hell you thought I was saying everyone has to run their name by me or something is an example of that rather bizarre combativeness.
                    I mean, you could have asked what I meant. It’s not that unusual for bloggers to approve someone’s first comment.
                    PUT YOUR FISTS DOWN. There might be people out to get you. We’re not it.

                    1. Considering that from the first moment I commented on this post – in which I contradicted what you said – I have been attack continuously, “bizarre combativeness” doesn’t begin to describe my emotional state.

                    2. > Again, we already have Bob for jumping a mile from something someone said to a strange reaction

                      [waves sign] GO TEAM BOB! Hoo-rah!

                  3. And don’t worry… I will probably answer a couple of other comments at this post, and then I will NEVER darken your door again. I have been attacked for what I didn’t say, for referencing the Wiki – in answer to a question I didn’t think I should answer – and now for having a user name the predates WordPress as an organization. Don’t worry. I will never be back.

                    I have referenced your work in posts on my site. You don’t have to worry about that either, I will never do that again. I am considering deleting all reference to you site, but that seems petty. Sometimes I am petty. But actually it seems like too much work right now.

                    Oh, and why are all these comments so long? I can type as fast as I can talk. (My father insisted I learn how) So it takes no time to lay down a load of snark. If if took time, I wouldn’t bother. Best of luck with writing. I enjoyed the novels I’ve read. Probably won’t read anything else.

                    1. Then at least do us the courtesy of assuming you misunderstood us.
                      And that we’ve been under attack long enough to be prickly. (Five years, if you’re counting. AT LEAST.)

                    2. I’ve been there– it’s just easier to skip them; if you’ve given up on a location, ignore anything further. If it’s worth staying, it might be worth reading, if not…..

                    3. Yes, I understand that deleting items unread is possible.

                      I somewhat wonder that anybody receiving responses via Word Press Feed would fail to recognize the “piling on” effect resulting from folks reading comments at different times.

                      Whatever … I sense a lack of good faith engagement.

                    4. As I said, strangely aggressive and combative.
                      I also found declaration of sexual preference very weird, but seriously, Odds are Odds, so it’s possible it’s noting bad.
                      I’ve had someone I’ve known peripherally for years, never had an issue with, go off in almost the same crazy jump to conclusions, read things never said, way on FB yesterday.
                      Thank heavens at least this one didn’t try to chastise us in a religious manner.
                      I think people are going insane.

                    5. I think people are going insane.

                      Yeah.

                      Folks who had enough “space” to hold it together had that taken away…and the a-holes are tightening stuff down even more.

                    6. I sort of get the impression she thinks we were insufficiently appreciative of the honor done us in being graced by her commenting on this board.

                      But I could be wrong, it has happened.

          4. >> “You’re trusting wikipedia, really? Consider what they say about yours truly.”

            I just glanced at your Wikipedia entry out of curiosity and didn’t see anything blatantly insulting. What are you taking offense to? Factual errors?

            1. Scratch that; I just remembered I have a plug-in that automatically redirects me to Infogalactic pages instead of Wikipedia. I haven’t seen your actual Wiki entry yet.

              1. Ah. Not much mention of Sarah specifically, but I can still see why she wouldn’t care for that.

                Thanks.

                1. She’s listed as a head, several places, and I know this is after a lot of clean-up effort on something relatively high profile where the accusations are objectively false and can easily be shown to be false.

    4. When a simple search and replace of “conservative” with “jew” makes you sound like Joseph effing Goebbels (quite literally, not a bit of hyperbole) then you need to seriously reevaluate your life.

    5. Sure insanity is very dangerous. or as my grandmother put it “Don’t go even up to heaven with a crazy person. They might push you down.”
      Stay armed and ready.

        1. Kind of. But keep in mind the Brexit vote.
          They were sure they’d win overwhelmingly for staying.
          Same with 2016.
          What is happening is that the left has broken the fire alarm. Worse, they rewired it to say “All is well.”
          I.e. they made it impossible — or very expensive socially — to contradict their madness or even to “just” stay silent.
          AND YET people might echo stupid memes or just stay silent. Few people will oppose. Until they have a chance to strike from cover.
          But the anger grows.
          We had a very interesting conversation with a server about face covering….. When a college age guy who never saw you before grits between teeth “Kabuki theater” the anger is more widespread than the compelled speech.

          1. I had to mask up for the clinic visit. OK, I know it’s necessary; some of the patients hit 7 of the 5(?) risk factors (is there an adjective for “makes morbidly obese look tiny?”), but I still hate the damned things. Wore a cloth mask because my stash of surgical masks is dwindling. The only good feeling from a mask in June (even on a 55F day) is when it comes off.

            1. is there an adjective for “makes morbidly obese look tiny?”

              I think it’s “F the BMI.”
              I guess a polite way might be “in no need of an obesity screening mechanism”?

    6. Crazy assholes like this are the reason why I am armed.

      Not because I fear him specifically, but because I’ve visited ground that once held the inevitable end result of the “othering” and “unpersoning” that he’s demanding. Where people who’d been decreed by those in power to be “untermenchen” were unloaded from the boxcars and marched on to their eventual, inevitable extermination. Not to the gas chambers, but to a short existence as a slave, doing “medial labor” on starvation rations until they collapsed and were put out of their misery by a 9mm bullet to the skull. And that’s if they were lucky: Mengele and his ilk had a laboratory there too.

      You could physically feel the evil that stained the place. Just about a decade on and I still have nightmares about my visit.

      1. Such persons as that always insist, “It’s different when we do it.”

        By which, of course, they mean it’s different for them — it’s always the same for those it is done to.

      2. Dachau wasn’t quite so bad. Half a circle removed from your example. Still reeks of evil.

        Stepfather was Ukrainian and was slave labor in Slovakia. The farmer took a risk and fed the workers, but it was rough.

  6. Afraid I’ve got to disagree with you on this, Sarah. I am afraid of these people taking power. History is rife with examples of people like this who others swear could never, ever, ever come take power. . . until they do and everyone’s screwed. I’m not fond of Trump, but I’m looking at the alternatives in front of me.

    Ten years ago, most assumed the SJWs were both a group of pathetic snowflakes and they’d change their views as they entered the real world. Now, instead, they’re forcing their worldview on our institutions. The Democratic Party saw them as useful tools and voters. Now their stepchildren are about to eat them.

    I’d like to think we’ll wake up from this insanity. I’m working on a book about a civil war in this country, and a lot of what I predicted in it is starting to happen. However, I’m not so sure anymore.

    1. Exactly.

      I was going to post I am going through a learning nothing I believed is true.

      I believed America and liberty can survive. I now seriously wonder if the camps won’t be open and us choosing to go meekly or dying in the streets no latter than Christmas next year.

      1. Herb,
        Pretty much everyone is having a little bit more difficult time now.

        Can really screw with your thinking.

        Might be a good time not to too heavily emotionally invest in new and startling conclusions.

        My thought might be biased by having learned some personal stuff likely to happen, and likely difficult to cope with.

        Beyond that, I have long held that because that question hinges on the true inner hearts of so many Americans, and I cannot know those, that I should be emotionally resolved to both. a) To not let the depression stop me, nor drive me to foolish acts, because there is still hope from the uncertainty b) To be aware that the worldly tyranny may well kill me for doing the moral thing, and to do so anyway.

        Now, I am a fanatic, often depressed, and maybe have little invested in life. So being killed for doing the right thing is an attractive fantasy. I’ve done much more badly on the resolve to live side.

        I would submit that if you quickly changed your opinion from ‘never happen’ to Biden/?? in six months, camps in eighteen, you may have gone fast enough over the logistics questions that the conclusion is purely emotional, and hence very suspect.

        Remember, the opposition relies heavily on head games. Winning or losing, they will attempt to use them. If the system behavior is changing, you will see signs of change, which could be interpreted one way or another. We will analyze and guess implications, and some of us will be wrong. Which means that some of us will fall for their traps.

        1. Maybe camps are a bit much, but Biden in 6?

          We already have Michigan’s Sec of State violating state law to send out everyone a by mail ballot. So Michigan is now a Biden state. And that fraud was done openly. At this point I have no reason to think Biden won’t win all 57 states with their 556 electoral votes.

          Hell, we have a former VP candidate today saying the US didn’t inherit slavery, we invented.

          So, maybe more than 18 months for camps, but once old Joe is in the big house, the pogroms can begin.

          1. I don’t think so.

            Oh, they might weasel their way in, and they might issue orders, but surviving much past that is going to take the kind of security only people in Supermax prisons get to experience.

          2. Actually, the open fraud is a good thing. That they’re being so open about it means that they’re panicking. They don’t think they can risk lower-key, less obvious approaches. And that means that they have no faith in the claimed popularity of their positions.

            I have, in the past, argued against a “bombs and bullets” war to “restore liberty” because I didn’t think it would. Without winning the “culture war”, all a “bombs and bullets” war would do, could do, is give us a choice of which form tyranny will take. However, if they’re using widespread cheating because the culture war is tilting strongly in our direction (and I see little else that could press them to be so blatant), then things are different. I still would be extremely hesitant about the “bombs and bullets” war because even in a just cause, with a reasonable (or even just not totally implausible) chance of success in setting up a free society, will be beyond ugly. It remains an absolute last resort thing and I don’t think we’re quite there yet.

            But if we are winning the culture at last (after decades of barely even fighting it) then the prospects if we do end up at that extreme limit become much more promising. And, if we are winning the culture war than it’s entirely possible that we might be able to avoid the bombs and bullets war entirely. Oh, there will still be violence. The Left and their willing foot-soldiers won’t let go peacefully (see the current unpleasantness for an example). And perhaps it would be nice if we could just join hands, sing “Kumbayah”, and they’d all lay down their arms and join us, many of us are going to have to defend ourselves. So, yeah, there will be blood (there already is), but if we can keep it from growing into a general insurrection and civil war, that would be for the best.

            1. Keep in mind the lesson from Israel of the Yom Kippur War: sometime you have to wait and let the foe land the first blow. There can be no doubt of the opposition’s willingness to strike, to abuse their power. The issues at hand must be displayed in “terms so plain and firm, as to command their assent, and to justify ourselves”.

              In Chaz we have their demonstration project. In New York Herr De Blasio (and others) are demonstrating the standards they endorse. And no polls indicate much popular sentiment for elimination of police. The Culture cannot help but witness what is in plain sight.

              That does not make for pleasant thoughts, but it may reduce the necessary payments of blood and sacrifice to redeem our nation.

              1. Keep in mind the lesson from Israel of the Yom Kippur War: sometime you have to wait and let the foe land the first blow. There can be no doubt of the opposition’s willingness to strike, to abuse their power.

                And even when the news is in full support of the abuse, it can get through.

                Like that news story I read in high school, best summarized as “Israel breaks peace-fire by shooting back.”

                1. ‘Peace-fire’? Was that intentionally ironic, or just a protest sign from your back-brain?

            2. One observation. Not only are guns and ammo flying off the shelf, but so are reloading components, *especially* varmint loads for the two-legged variety. 9mm, .38, .30-30 bullets (not a popular deer round in the west, but if you don’t have an AR with the shoulder thing that goes up, a lever .30-30 does the job.) are all in short supply. Hit 3 stores to get what I needed.

              (Wonders how many 80% lowers are being worked onin the county.)

              1. “A comrade on me left, and another on me right, and a clip of ammunition for me little Armalite…. ”

                Not enough.

          3. I’m not saying the danger is zero.

            I am saying that it is possible to make mistakes in how we process and respond to potential dangers.

            I can daydream about martyrdom, or I can go out into the world, and do whatever it is that God wants me to do. By default, I’ve already wasted too much time at the first, and it strikes me that this isn’t what Christianity is calling for. The latter scares me, I’m not exactly sure what He wants me to do, or how to get it done.

            So that is a major part of my biases here; I’m more inclined to warn about the stuff that is a serious problem for me.

            I’d usually talk about the other angle some, but I may have actually gotten tired of thinking about mass murders.

            I’d submit that most of us have had our circles tightened by the Covid stuff. More than ever, our information about how people are reacting to recent events is coming through media or social media, and potentially mostly censored. Even without an increase in media gaslighting, we don’t necessarily have the practice with contraction of contacts to adjust our intuitive processing appropriately. The evidence we really have to go on is for a very small number of people.

            The expected value for regulars here being driven to panic because the stimuli is unusual, and the hindbrain doesn’t know how to process it is probably greater than zero.

            I didn’t have the foresight to figure this out in advance. However, this is probably something we should be watching each other for.

            Does it change what you need to do for the election? No. Does it change what you might need to do after the election, if the election goes the one way? Probably not, it has been obvious that the Feds very likely have serious issues that we just barely dodged the worse of from at least three months after Trump’s inauguration.

            If your best options given various hypotheticals don’t change, the new to your emotions dangerous event that hasn’t started yet may be a misspending of your time and energy. Of course, with emotions, it is easy to say, and hard to do.

      2. I won’t say “Don’t worry”. What we are seeing is worrying. But I find it comforting to observe that while the Moonbats may have subverted the administration of the Police and the Military, the rank and file are less than pleased, and beginning to say so…LOUDLY. Loudly enough that it is getting reported instead of buried.

        1. The Irish democracy from the truck drivers should (but won’t, not yet) give pause to the defund crowd. No cops, no deliveries. Brings a whole new horrifying meaning to “localvore”.

      3. Herb, you might want to study the Fathers. Seriously, they are topical for everything, including if we end up in the camps or against the wall. 😉

        Also, I just got mail from the other Orthodox seminary that has me on their mailing list from buying books, St. Photios in CA. They will be happy to mail you stuff too.

          1. Just do not whatever you do, get the Eighth Day Book Store catalogue. No! Don’t even think about it. That way lies terrible danger, overflowing book shelves, and way too many really neat tomes. Seriously, I mean it, don’t go to their website, don’t get the catalogue, run away, run away!

        1. There is, however, a larger number who will follow whoever has the loudest voice. And while the influence of the big media is waning it still carries a quite loud voice indeed.

          I am more hopeful than I’ve been in a long time but I am far, far from sanguine about the eventual (in terms of my or my daughter’s lifetime) outcome.

          1. This.

            I will believe most people go along to get along. It explains the Holocaust and much of the USSR (The Cultural Revolution and Pol Pot not as much).

            The number of institutions clearly deciding they want to side with the new Committee of Public Safety (BLM) are going to convince a lot of people that is the going along they need to do.

        2. In my area, they are practically carpooling from one disturbance to another, on the weekends. And most of them come from Cincinnati or something like that. (I’d understand it if they were all from Yellow Springs; but the wacky left seems to have abandoned Yellow Springs as too peaceful and old-fashioned, or something like that.)

          1. Heck, the last few years there has been a big gay pride parade in the summer in Dayton, and it’s all out of towners!

            (And it’s not as if there is no gay community in Dayton. It’s that most Dayton area gay people don’t want to do overly organized things, much less in their own town, and never saw much need for a gay pride parade, when they just do whatever they want in regular life. So apparently the rest of the tri-state area comes to Dayton, takes over several streets for the day, and get totally ignored, except by the unfortunate bus riders who pass on parallel streets.)

      4. It can be easy to worry when the news is full of pro-Antifa cheering, and coverage of the riots^H^H^H^H^H”protests” (cue Basil Fawlty: “Don’t mention the riots!”). You can end up feeling like it’s just you and a few friends vs. thousands of crazed leftists, so how can we possibly win the next election?

        But look at this story. Trump announces plans for a rally in a center that can hold 19,000 people. (Let’s think of it as “about 20k” to make the math simpler). Tickets are free, but you must request them so that the campaign can do logistical planning. How many people requested tickets? More than 50 times the capacity of the event: Trump’s campaign manager said that over a million people asked for tickets.

        The left aren’t the only ones with voter enthusiasm. Not by a long shot.

        1. On the riots– just finished a sweating-bullets discussion with the ten and eight year old. Among the topics were “the riots.”

          When an eight year old can figure out that it’s not a protest…..

        2. Yes, and what has voter enthusiasm done.

          The reality is electing Trump was at best a speed bump. Has it resulted in punishment when the left goes crazy? No, it has resulted in them getting an even bigger pass than usual from the FBI to looters in a Target. The SCUS just passed a House bill introduced annually for a decade by declaring that bill was unnecessary because the law already meant that (in which case, why was there a bill) and two of the justices in on it were from the GOP, including Trump’s first.

          We’re not supposed to shoot the leftists. We’re not supposed to tear up their statutes or their institutions or their homes. We’re supposed to sit idly by while they destroy our property, both personal and public, knowing that unlike them we will be punished by the law if we do so. The people nominally in power to defend us can’t be bother and that’s when they’re not actively collaborating.

          So we re-elect Trump. Does the FBI investigate Antifa and throw the bastards in jail or do they wait until we’ve had enough and shoot one of the Antifa types and throw us in jail.

          I used to want to burn it all down, now I figure why bother. The left will do it for me while patting themselves on the back. Perhaps it is better to stay low and unnoticed until the Committee for Public Safety turns on itself and just support the Napoleon/Franco that comes after.

          1. Herb,
            Yeah, that thinking feels more and more like a hopefully temporary emotional disorder.

            With what we are still finding out about the FBI, we dodged a huge bullet with Trump’s election. They had the people in place, and would’ve had the political will, and friendly information warfare, for more Wacos.

            They are using kids in Che t-shirts because Trump’s victory cost them the ability to use G-Men with pensions.

            Trump isn’t the perfect conservative, and he isn’t the perfect political in fighter. But he doesn’t want to get lynched, and he has been fighting.

            Right now definitely sucks. Many periods have definitely sucked. That does not mean that political conditions never improved.

            1. I find myself lately listening to “Feels So Good” by Chuck Magione. Not just the tiny 3:28 radio cut or even the 9:43 full track, but the entire album to which it was the title track way back in 1977. It was probably most people’s first and only glimpse, at least where they’d know the name of the tune and artist, of the pop oriented and softer jazz fusion sound Spyro Gyra would build a career on starting the next year with their self-released self-titled album and even more so two year later with “Morning Dance” on MCA.

              And I realize I miss the late 70s. Yeah, they had bell bottoms and much of the decade contained the wind down of the Days of Rage with bombing and shootings. In fact, the latter ended in the 81 Brink’s robbery. But still, they had worked there way out. Prog rock had introduced elements of composition and virtuosity to rock, Weather Report had taken Mile’s “Bitch’s Brew” and run with it (weird note: my first and second jazz albums were “I Sing the Body Electric” by Weather Report and “Freetime” by Sypro Gyro, respectively…long story).

              Now, one of the robbers in that Brink’s robbery, Kathy Boudin, is a professor at Columbia. Her son is the DA in San Francisco. The prior president of the US is an acolyte of other Weather Underground (name changed to be woke, as Weathermen was sexist) bombers who are also professors. He was elected as their first attempt to rerun the Days of Rage failed.

              Now they are back for Days of Rage 3.0. Unlike the 70s they have open endorsement from a major political party, operatives in most major institutions, and financing both public and private. The news media portray them as heroes instead of radicals.

              In the 70s people thought things were bad, but they acted and said so. Now I drive through BLM protesters, all white, going to Arby’s and wonder if they wrote down my license plate for not honking. When will my car be vandalized for not being actively woke.

              So I put on 70s smooth jazz and fusion jazz and listen and remember better times, when we as a nation knew, and acted on that knowledge, that repeating 1790s Paris was a bad idea.

        3. Trump’s campaign manager said that over a million people asked for tickets.

          Sure – but how many of those “people” requesting tickets are Russian bots, eh?

                1. “Have to be”? No, just am. I was born dancing to the beat of a different drummer and never learned to stay in step with a mob.

            1. Can I be a Japanese bot?

              K, just wanted an excuse to post Urianger (Ooo-ran–jay) doing some sort of robotic dance thing. Plus the Crystal Exarch being adorable.

        4. And as of today the “Republican” Mayor has instituted a curfew….. and all Trump supporters are not being allowed to wait in line.

      5. Dying in the streets? Next year? I’m rather pessimistic, but not that bad. I’m not entirely sure that these are the death throes of Marx, but I do hope that they are.

        But, in any case, perhaps it is time to take the UW model of warfare to heart. And also possibly to establish a, shall we say, American Republican Brotherhood. Or Army. Not entirely picky there.

        And think about Bloody Sunday (the one Mick Collins orchestrated, not the later one). Time to start watching the new Cairo Gang, so.

          1. To me, those are lesser issues than finding similar thinking / same tribe people. The options we have today for encryption allow for, IMO, really damn good COMMSEC. OPSEC follows from there, but derives from people. So again, it’s down to people with enough fire in their bellies and, God help me, idealogical agreement.

            I sound like a damned Socialist.

          2. I would be more than willing to discuss Ideas, and thoughts, etc. And I really love the idea of the CoC. Major props for that.

          3. The problem is you would be named as a right wing terrorist the moment anybody in government or media found out about you. Just look at how they are talking about people that talk about the Boogaloo. Just to talk about it is they say to WANT IT and willing to start it.

            BTW: the first guy to shoot a Antifa has already happened in New Mexico. He has been arrested BUT the a video of the Antifa attacking him with a skateboard, him RETREATING, the Antifa continuing to go after him with the skateboard and yelling I am going to kill you BEFORE he shot the guy. Several Antifa were chasing him. Very CLEARLY self defense.

            1. Exactly, hence my security concerns. If word gets out you exist that’s it.

              Leftists, of course, can only plan revolution without the gov’t they are trying to overthrow going after them. We can’t plan to fight their revolution in private without risking being arrested by the gov’t we’re trying to protect.

              So, again, why should I want to protect that gov’t.

            2. Oh, and that New Mexico shooter will die in prison. No self-defense claim will be entertained. He shot peaceful Antifa protesters because by definition Antifa is peaceful.

            3. the Antifa continuing to go after him with the skateboard and yelling I am going to kill you

              If the shooter is Jewish he has a sound defense because, if there is one lesson History has taught Jews, it is that when somebody says they’re going to kill you – take them seriously.

            4. Husband just came in to ask if I’d heard about “the guy who shot two AntiFa.”

              Short version:
              They slowed down the video, one of the a-holes had a knife, too.

    2. I thought the minor SJWs might learn from contact with the real world, but not so much on the ten year scale. The lessons are more the twenty or thirty year scale, maybe. Some of them are simply ugly personalities, and will be cruel to others for the rest of their lives.

      A lot of the people caving now are MBA types, I think men of the system is the term. They see caving a simply a matter of adjusting bureaucratic process, not something to get worked up over. Since the SJWs can’t tell the difference between reality and formal changes to the bureaucratic process, this seems real to them. The men of the system would be upset if someone were instead telling them that reality can be changed without worrying about the formal bureaucratic process, that bureaucratic processes do not fully describe real decisions.

      Men of the system have a loud prominent voice, but they are far from the whole of society.

      1. Ding ding ding!

        Too many people on all sides mistake corporate sponsorship for Grand Victories Of The Left.

        Sometimes that is the case, but oftentimes it is simply the fact that the people in the position to make those decisions are strongly selected for the Always Fold strategy. It is no different than settling out of court with a patent troll.

      2. They see caving a simply a matter of adjusting bureaucratic process, not something to get worked up over.

        As I’ve previously asserted, J. K. Rowling was a much more conservative social critic than she recognizes. Her portrayal of government bureaucracies and dishonest media are very conservative, and in Dolores Umbridge she gave adolescents a character straight out of Ayn Rand, the [wo]man of the system, eager to advance by serving whoever is master. As we’ve now seen, the government is rife with such toilers, from Lois Lerner to James Comey.

        The first step to repairing a termite problem is determining the extent of the termite problem. At some point it always seems orders of magnitude greater than can be solved, but it usually can be solved.

        Hopefully without tearing the house down to its foundation.

        But always remember: termite problems are never “solved” – constant vigilance is the price of liberty.

        1. J. K. Rowling, in the end, is a more conservative social critic than two “conservative” justices and most of the GOP.

      1. > “I’m really trying to process this,” she told the Olympian. “It’s like domestic terrorism. It’s unfair.”

        Yah. Totally unfair. Not like all those losers who got their homes and businesses vandalized while you were busy virtue signaling.

      2. It’s always just a little good, clean fun until the wrong people get targeted.

        Those folk are forever setting uncontrolled burns and then complaining when the flames reach them.

      3. Can’t help wondering if she was one of those busy pronouncing that this was only property being destroyed, insurance would cover it, and we were heartless to care about these sorts of things when Black people were being gunned down by the police, etc.

        I mean jeez lady, “domestic terrorism”? They didn’t even burn down your house, just left a little graffiti. It’s a thing of paint and an hour’s work to clean it up. So what if it seemed like a threat and made you feel unsafe in your own home? How dare you compare it to the violence perpetuated on bodies of color by the domestic terrorists known as law enforcement (who by the way, work for you)! Clearly, that’s your privilege showing.

        (Note: the above is sarcastic, in case anyone couldn’t tell.)

    3. Ten years ago, the SJWs were both a group of pathetic snowflakes — but others have seen the leniency they were granted, figured how to weaponize them and infiltrated the flock. They scheme to utilize them and the anti-racists as a venom, paralyzing the body politic (as shown in Seattle, DC and elsewhere) enabling them to seize power.

      But it will only work in those areas already enfeebled; elsewhere it will motivate the defenses by showing with what nonsense we’re being offered.

  7. Since the entertainment companies were the same, the… lie, for lack of a better word (it wasn’t so much a lie because most of the people propagating it weren’t conscious of lying. They were simply watching the world through a distorting political theory) came at everyone as a seamless whole.

    Unexamined assumptions probably fits best.

    Not sure if that’s what I said last time or not, or if that’s what helped me recognize the pattern.

  8. Unified voice in the news:

    I saw where the football head coach at Oklahoma is having to sit down with his players because he was pictured out fishing with a T-shirt from One America News. The article described it as a far-right news company that distributes conspiracy theories. And the first thing that popped into my head was “how does that make it different then nearly every other news source out there?” The left leaning news won’t admit it, but they’re purveyors of as many if not more conspiracy theories. Heck, many of them have not only been pushing such conspiracy theories, but over the last 20 years they’ve been caught making some of them up out of whole cloth.

    It’s gotten to the point, especially over the last year, that I not only don’t trust the news reporting, I don’t trust the science publications, nor the doctors, nor the scientists. I haven’t trusted politicians in years. But it’s gotten so bad with the newspapers and news channels on TV that if they are “reporting” something about a politician I immediately think the opposite. It’s not just that I don’t agree with them, I disbelieve them. Right now there are only a couple of reporters that I trust to not twist everything into a pretzel. I may not agree with everything that Michael Yon, Sharyl Atkinson and Rob Port write, but I trust they aren’t actively lying to me. How sad is it that I can count on one hand with fingers left over the number of reporters I trust? Port is basically just a blogger who keeps breaking stories rather than a trained journalist. But that’s a mark in his favor for a lot of people anymore.

    We ran right past the crazy years and seem to be hip deep in the bat-guano insane years at the moment.

    1. I may be whistling past the graveyard, but I really thunk what we are seeing are the death throes of Progressivism and Social Justice Whackery. Oh, if they can steal the 2020 election, and HOLD ON to it, they may extend their reign for a few years, but I think it’s far more likely they will attempt to steal the election, and FAIL, and get caught. They just don’t have the chops. Their movements are over-broad, their timing is sloppy, their coordination sucks suppurating moose balls. And they keep thinking that if they come at him just one more time, Trump with roll over and wave his legs in the air. Whereas, if they come at him one more time, what Trump will do is ram a stiletto into their guts. Again.

        1. My guess is that Trump has pretty good documentation on the vote fraud that went on in 2016. He didn’t use it then because he didn’t need to. But if the Fascist Left manages to fake enough votes to ‘win’ in 2020, he can start of his counteroffensive by dropping that proof on them from a very great height.

          So, not a broadsword. An anvil.

          *splat*

          1. Newt Gingrich recently had a guest on his podcast who studies voter fraud. He said that 40% of the registered voters in Iowa don’t exist. And I thought… so that’s why Iowa is the early battleground state; it lets Dems know the required margin of cheat for the other states. And when did a Dem last legitimately win an election??

            And yeah, I’m pretty sure Trump knows who’s burying the bodies, and where.

            1. This is what bumfoozles me about the Fascist Left right now; their apparent inability to imagine that Trump will do something other than mutter “Curses! Foiled again!” and skulk off, stage right.

              1. Their Republican opponents have *always* done that.

                The thing they’re not processing is that Trump isn’t a Republican, he’s just their front man.

                1. Trump is what the English soccer guys call a “giant-killer.” He is in it to win it, and he means to win all the goals, all the ways he can. He knows his team’s strengths and makes them work, to an extent that barely seems possible. So if the other team seems way too strong, that is just how he likes it.

                  I highly approve of my team’s hiring decision.

                2. I’s not just that. The left has become a quasi religious cult. Again, this is their fourth generation. They’ve been told success is inevitable. They LITERALLY can’t imagine failure.
                  Because it’s fore-ordained they’ll win, see.
                  This, btw, explains one of their persistent illusions: that everyone young is on their side. Remember during SP3, when they wished we’d all die?
                  I thought, well, they must be young kids in their twenties…. So I looked it up. BROTHER!
                  I was the oldest of the prominent people on my side, old enough to have babysat the others as a teen.
                  Their youngest was three years younger than I.
                  BUT you know, we were fossils who should hurry up and die.
                  BECAUSE they’ve been told history comes with an arrow and they’re “the future.”
                  I’m not saying it won’t get BAD. Cults die UGLY. I’m saying we’re not dealing with rational actors, and that’s a downcheck on THEIR side.

                  1. My senior year high school civics teacher took me aside when I chose to be a delegate to a mock convention for the “wrong,” 1972 presidential candidate. She told me, earnestly, that the Youth of America were different than their parents, and she feared I would not be able to go because “my” candidate would never get any votes. Yes, I could hear the capitals. I figured most kids were listening to their parents over the breakfast table.

                    The “wrong,” candidate got over 40% of the vote. A lot of John Lindsay delegates had to switch so they could vote for their idol after the first ballot. The fact Lindsay was the diametric opposite of the guy their voters had chosen meant nothing to them.

                    1. You were a delegate for Shirley Chisholm? I cannot believe you opted for Muskie, Wallace or Humphrey, and clearly your teacher thought you should be a McGovern delegate.

                      The idea that you were a Republican delegate (should I put scare quotes around that?) and she wanted you to oppose Nixon is laughable! Only once has a party denied renomination to a sitting president at their convention but that was in 1856 when, with an ongoing civil war in Kansas, the Democrats denied renomination to Franklin Pierce in favor of James Buchanan, a man widely regarded as the worst* president ever). Sure, the Dems repudiated LBJ but that was in the primaries, early on, and even so they awarded the nomination to his vice-president.

                      *Pierce is third-worst, after Andrew Johnson and ahead of Warren G. Harding – a president unfairly maligned because he a) was Republican, b) revived the nation from the economic doldrums into which Wilson had sunk it, c) was tarred with the Teapot Dome Scandal and d) was Republican. I am confident the rankings of worst presidents will have to be revised once President Trump’s service is completed although it is likely many historians will refuse to wait on the grounds that his achievements (whatever they might be) are irrelevant due to him being the biggest dooty-head to ever live in the White House.
                      https://www.thoughtco.com/worst-american-presidents-721460

                    2. Compose your soul in patience. It only takes a decade or two before they hold up Trump, as they held up Reagan, as a model of what the current president should be. Only in office are Republicans evil.

                      (Because out of office, they can be used as sticks to beat those that are in.)

                    3. You forgot to include in ranks of worst presidents Clinton, Carter and the only president to actively try to undermine his successor’s presidency, not to mention trying to make an enemy — Iran — into a nuclear power and devastating the economy. The one, the only, the wretched Barry Obama.

            2. Meh – chicken/egg. There is so much vote fraud in Iowa because the value of it is greater then.

              OTOH, I am not sure how much effect such fraud has, given that the Iowa primary process is in the form of caucuses — events where actual living, breathing persons must show up. While it is possible that out-of-staters can show up under cover of non-existent voters it seems questionable how much effect they ca have.

              OTOH, given Iowa’s current and just-previous governors are Republican, as are both present senators (Grassley [first elected in 1980] and Ernst) — although three of the four members of the House delegation are Democrat, and the fourth is (was) Steve King — I am not sure how effective those fraudulent voters are.

      1. My analogy is that he keeps putting out signs saying “Cheese factory this way!” The DemocRats (not being nearly as intelligent as their four-legged cousins) keep rushing along the path – never getting a clue that the factory never materializes, and the ones in front keep going over tripwires attached to claymores.

        (The boomy kind, not the stabby Scottish kind.)

      2. CSP — That’s precisely how I feel. These are the violent death throes of Marxism.
        Doesn’t mean they won’t consume us. BUT the thing to remember, as Dot Grant told me years ago is that these are fourth generation Marxists. They’re good at talking and shouting, but at everything else they’re PAINFULLY incompetent.

        1. BTW: He was hit earlier with the skateboard and RETREATED this shows what happened AFTER he retreated. Hit by Skateboard AGAIN. Clearly Self Defense.

          1. There is a disturbing large number of people who consider self-defense to be a malum in se crime. Their view is that the guy had a Duty To Society to let himself get killed, because defending himself – with a gun, no less – was a criminal act of barbarism that constitutes Treason Against Civilization Itself.

            50 years ago when I was a sprout, I got mixed messages about fighting back against bullies. In fact, finally realizing (around age 20) that the “Fighting back is WRONG” part of the message was evil nonsense was my personal flipping point.

            1. 50 years ago when I was a sprout, I got mixed messages about fighting back against bullies.


              ??? It started that far back?

              I know 60 to 65 years ago, that might have been the message, or at least don’t get directly caught fighting back; an open secret. Those who couldn’t defend themselves usually had someones invite the bully behind somewhere and teach the bully a lesson or two. In fact there might have been a story or two come out of hubby’s family where their oldest sister was the one who took care of the problem, when she aged out into adulthood, the next older sibling (brother) took over. By the time hubby hit school age word was out … (he was 5 years younger than his next oldest sibling). By the time he hit HS he was 6’2″, on the do not bully, or bully in front of, list.

              We had our one and only child late. We were the “older” parents, short of parents who were putting their last child through or raising their grandchild. To a person, the older parents attitude of the “no tolerance” was BS. Defend yourself. Defend someone who needs it. We’ll deal with school. We didn’t have a lawyer. Would have gotten one however. Didn’t have to put up or shut up. Never came up. Maybe because kid knew we had his back, had the attitude to go with it, never had to deal. He came up with his own way to break up bullying he saw without directly engaging the bully.

      3. I just learned a new word. And now I cannot get that image out of my head. mathair Dé!

    2. Eh…

      “Trained journalist” doesn’t mean much, imo. I had a journalism class in college, and the important things that I came away with were –

      – Basic Ethics – mostly, don’t influence the story
      – Reporting accurately. And that includes objectively
      – How to find the person to talk to in order to learn what you need to know in order to write the article

      Toss in some writing practice, which is largely basic writing in English, but focused on getting out the “who, what, where, when, why, and how” information.

      It’s not rocket science. And people shouldn’t need a four year degree for it.

      1. A ‘journalist’ is a reporter with pretensions. ‘Journalism’ is an early case of academic capture; the creation of an academic degree for a discipline that has scant need for one. Academic capture has been one of the more useful tools of the Fascist Left in taking over areas of the culture. But like most things, they took it too far, and now they are scrambling to preserve the myth they built up that everybody should go to college.

        1. It is worth remembering that journalists were trained through an apprenticeship process, one which knocked much of the nonsense out of them … although it tended to render them highly cynical, which is arguably a good attribute.

          Also worth remembering is that journalists were long considered on a par with courtesans (and lesser members of that profession): useful, paid to gratify their sponsors, and expected to disappear when no longer convenient. Although, so long as they remembered their place, they could serve a useful social purpose, as exhibited in this short (just under ten minute) 1936 film:

            1. Uncredited, yes.

              IMDb lists it as his sixth screen appearance. It turns up time-to-time on TCM.

                1. There’s been several different movies where either Dear Husband or myself will spin around and yell a name (actor or character) at the screen; the other one will blink, and either go “uh, duh?” or light up with “hey, you’re RIGHT!”

                  So of course the only one I can think of right now is Barclay on ST:TNG being Howling Mad Murdock, and of course recognizing Worf’s (and a ton of other awesome voice ton of plastic guys, like Marc Alaimo) actor by voice or body language only. (See Marc Alaimo’s still shot, giving interviews, and it’s REALLY easy to recognize he’s Dukat. ❤ )

                  Even more fun is when you realize that somebody did a character by wholesale lifting a totally different one, and it works.

                  Faces are iffy; all the other ways to recognize people? It’s so fun!

                2. He is remarkably skinny in the short, which the costuming plays up, and they’ve played his (apparent) age down rather than up, as it usually was then. You’d think this short was made while figuring out what roles to put him in but by the time it was released he’d already been in two “A” pictures: Rose Marie (he played Jeanette MacDonald’s brother*) and Wife vs. Secretary (starring Gable, Loy & Harlow — I believe Stewart was Harlow’s boyfriend.)

                  The short ought be required viewing in all J-Schools, but in this era of clickbait imperative they’d simply ignore it.

                  *I recognize the difference between an actor and the character, but typing “Jeanette MacDonald’s character’s brother” seemed unduly awkward.

      2. > largely basic writing in English

        Of late, I’ve come across far too many news articles by “respected” sources – Washington Post, Fox News, CNN – that have major spelling, grammar, and homophone errors. How much effort does it take to click on the spall Czecher? Too much for their journalists, proofreaders, editors, or web people, apparently…

        That the errors were made in the first place is alarming, considering how *many* I come across vs. how few of the articles I read. That they’re not caught before they hit print indicates grave problems in their business process.

    3. You can wear the image of a mass murderer (Che Guevara) without any repercussions but wear the OAN logo on your shirt and you will be forced to debase yourself and grovel to your Marxist accusers. I’ve watched OAN for six years. It’s the way Fox used to be, just with a lower budget and not as many “Democratic strategists” wasting your time. It also reports on actual events during the day, not just a string of debates between partisan hacks. But the left doesn’t want another successful conservative-leaning network so it’s trying to strangle the OAN baby in the crib by spreading lies that it’s “far right” or it’s Infowars on steroids or something. It’s not.

      I’m also done with listening to “experts.” They are as compromised as everyone and everything else in this country. To quote the Well Manicured Man, “Trust no one, Mr. Mulder.”

      1. It is all an exercise in tribal markings. Wearing Che is symbolic of the “Good” side while OAN (or a MAGA hat) represents conspicuous rejection of the Church.

        It is akin to wearing witch’s wear in Medieval Europe. As we have seen from the “pussy hats” and “Handmaid’s Tail” costumery, dressing up is very important among the Progressives.

          1. Cosplay must serve the Party. Non-Party cosplay is a waste of resources at best, and apostasy at worst.

    4. Speaking of the news, I recently stumbled across a Youtube channel called “Realfake Newsource.” The content is basically pure dada nonsense wrapped very loosely in the imagery of a news program, like so:

      …And yet, the thought I keep coming back to is: “Still more accurate than CNN.”

    5. “. Right now there are only a couple of reporters that I trust to not twist everything into a pretzel” I’d recommend anything you can find by Salena Zito, she’s a good shoeleather (or really Jeep Tire) reporter who goes into small towns and talks to the people in the diners.

      1. Watched a documentary by Al-Jazeera of all things, about baby selling in Malaysiaa while ago. I found myself annoyed that I see more investigative journalism from them than any ‘reputable’ news lately. Even keeping the awareness that they’re biased and all.

        1. That’s how low the bar has fallen in most of the West. Most of the “news” organizations now operate like TASS. No investigative work is done, for fear it might contradict the Narrative. Or, in the US at least, uncover wrongdoing by the Party or those under their protection.

          “MSNBC is pleased to announce…”

      2. Zito also reports what she was told, not what she was looking to hear.

        ‘sfunny how many reporters these days apparently don’t understand that part of the vocation.

  9. It’s like when I found out that coyotes can actually run faster than road runners. I feel like my entire childhood was a lie.

  10. We’re just going to have to let them scream and slam their room door till they come out of it.

    I think we’re approaching time for an intervention — that door is becoming unhinged.

    1. They may be screaming toddlers but they are screaming toddlers with an openly Marxist-Leninist agenda that seeks to impose totalitarian control.. The latest open acknowledgement from a “progressive” politician as to what they seek to impose using global warming alarmism, courtesy of Breitbart:

      https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2020/06/16/climate-alarmists-only-ecological-leninism-can-stop-global-warming/

      To the extent that the current corporate cultures don’t actively embrace such nonsense as a result of the decades long Marxist indoctrination throughout the school system, they are too terrified to take any action to oppose it, thinking the alligator will eat them last. The Bolsheviks were a small minority and yet were able to seize power and cause many millions of deaths and utter ruination over the course of the 7 or so decades they were in power. The minute we think it can’t happen here, and that a smallish number of violent Marxist revolutionaries can’t pull of the same thing is the moment that such an occurrence not only becomes possible but likely.

      President Reagan’s warning that liberty was only one generation away from extinction has never been more accurate. If liberty is extinguished in the US, from where will it rise again?

      1. I once posted here that since (I believe) membership in the US communist party remains a federal a federal crime the gov should prosecute these nitwit savages running around claiming membership. Someone replied a jury would fail to convict. But since the criminal acts being committed are identical to those under Trump’s EO on antifa (sedition) I wonder if maybe they could revitalize that old law. BTW the last person the gov refused to prosecute was employed by the NYT

      2. A screaming toddler with a gun is still dangerous.

        Witness witlessness:

        Dem Sen. Kaine Claims United States ‘Created’ Slavery and ‘Didn’t Inherit Slavery from Anybody’
        “We created it, and we created it and maintained it over centuries,” the Democratic senator said on Tuesday.

        That man was not only Hillary’s choice for vice-president, he was (is?) highly touted as a moderate — which indicates how truly bat[guano] crazy his side of the aisle is.

        1. Ever notice how the “fact-checkers” on the other side who nitpick everything people on our side say never, ever have anything to say about this kind of ahistorical nonsense?

        2. A) No. We invented it? Now I know why they stopped teaching Latin and Greek. B) CENTURIES? A bare century, as Americans.
          C) Let’s be charitable. Maybe he believes the NYT.

          1. I do see that he tried walking his statement back a bit later, but the point still stands. I’ve heard this from the Left far too often of late. They seem to think that acknowledging slavery predates America is somehow an attempt to deflect from the issue.

            1. Slavery has been practiced for at least 300,000 years. EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE WORLD is descended from both slaves and slave masters. Every nation, every society, every race and ethnicity has a looooong history of slavery. The very word ‘slave’ is derived from ‘slav’, a central European ethnicity.

              The United States Of America is the ONLY country that EVER fought a war to end slavery.
              ———————————
              The Democrats are willing to burn America to the ground, so long as they wind up squatting on top of the ashes.

              1. Slavery is a human evil, not a uniquely American one. Hell, there was slavery here in Canada, though we like to pretend that we didn’t.

                    1. In defense of the Senator from Virginia, he has attempted to clarify it, arguing that there was no slavery in the American Colonies before it was brought here.

                      “There was no law mandating slavery on our shores when African slaves came ashore in 1619. Did slavery already exist in the world? Of course. But not in the laws of colonial America at the time,” Kaine explained. “We could have been a nation completely without the institution. But colonial legislatures and courts, and eventually the U.S. legal system, created the institution on our shores and maintained slavery until the 13th Amendment. As I said, we didn’t inherit it. We chose to create it.”
                      https://www.nationalreview.com/news/dem-sen-kaine-claims-united-states-created-slavery-and-didnt-inherit-slavery-from-anybody/

                      I am not sure that incoherence AND ignorance is preferable to simple historical ignorance, but I am not a Democrat. As Kaine is, I wouldn’t expect him to believe me if I told him that historians (real ones, not fauxstorians writing for the NY Times) determined that slavery in the United States was initiated when an African-American brought suit to convert a contract for indentured servitude into slave-status due to non-performance by the White indentured-servant.

                    2. There was tons of slavery in North and South America, long before any European ever set foot here.


                      And then, the first thing the Spanish did when they got here was start enslaving the natives in South America. African slaves were shipped to Cuba, Haiti, Central and South America long before any were sent to the southern British colonies.

                      Is it not slavery if it’s not specifically authorized by law?
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                  1. The ACLU just declared that the death penalty evolved from lynching, so I guess Americans invented capital punishment now too.

                    1. Are they actually retarded. Sure it did, in the sense that having the state do it meant you didn’t have a posse do it. Back…. oh, in the neolithic, I suspect.

                    2. Because there was no capital punishment before then?

                      Pity nobody told the Founders – they could have eliminated all that verbiage in the Constitution stipulating requirements and processes.

                      The point missed by the ACLU is that the argument over Capital Punishment is sufficient without regard to historic antecedents. Arising from lynching or invented whole cloth doesn’t matter. This is on a par with House Majority Leader Clyburn claiming the police (in the South) developed from the slave patrols and night watches. Who da fork cares? Flowers can bloom from turds.

                      I guess we now know why they want to ban the Bible, as it depicts Slavery and Capital Punishment well before the American Founding.

                    3. Technically all justice systems evolved from mob justice as people devised ways for it to be less unjust.

          2. 74 or 76 years. Before March 4 1789 there was no official United States Government. After January 1 1863 some of the southern states were still practicing slavery illegally. On April 9 1865 the Civil War ended, and slavery along with it.

            1. Yet the Thirteenth amendment didn’t actually abolish slavery; it just reserved the creation of new slaves to the government. Any government, right down to municipal magistrates.

      3. Sure, they are dangerous. But the Bolsheviks and French revolutionaries were FIRST GENERATION revolutionaries. They were serious and had to be to survive.
        We’re dealing with fourth generation kiddies.
        They’re going to try their damndest. And they’re going to make it uncomfortable and crazy for the rest of us. I.e. look at what 2020 has already been, and double it.
        BUT they’re not competent to do ANYTHING, including pouring piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel.

      4. ” If liberty is extinguished in the US, from where will it rise again?”
        It won’t be. The lovers of freedom aren’t appearing in headline news, aren’t protesting to the point of riot, and aren’t much moved by bluster and threats. Those who would extinguish liberty don’t have the chops to make it stick. In spite of certain resemblances to each, America is not France in the 1890s, Russia in the 1910s, Germany in the 1930s, or China in the 1960s.

  11. [T]heir parents weren’t the people they thought they were …

    This brings to mind a classic joke:

    A couple had been married for many years, and their son had gotten old enough to date. One day the boy brought a girl over to diner. The mother was thrilled with her son’s choice and couldn’t wait for the wedding. However, the father was upset and, eventually, the boy asked, “Dad, why don’t you seem happy with her. Mom likes her a lot.”

    The father explained, “No son, there’s nothing wrong with the girl. It’s just that I cheated on your mother a long time ago, and the girl you’ve been dating is my daughter by that woman.”

    So the boy dumped her and found himself another girl. Again, he brought her home to the mother’s delight, but the father again told him this girl was actually his half-sister. The boy lost his temper and told his mother what his father had said.

    Furious, the mother shouted, “Don’t listen to him, sweetheart! He isn’t even your father!”

    https://www.free-funny-jokes.com/dont-listen-to-him.html

  12. The point is that all cultures change all the time.

    A core principle of Cultural Anthropology (before it went off the rails) was that cultures were consequences of evolutionary processes, meaning they consisted of a series of functional adaptations. Various crises occur (much more frequently in marginal societies, such as Hunter-Gatherer and other subsistence societies (aka: “sustainable” societies) and societies either adapt or die. These adaptations are many and varied (and sometimes frankly peculiar) but they have in common that they WORK — they allow the culture to remain existent.

    Thus in societies in which fatherhood is hard to establish (or in which fathers often are not long-lived) the role of male-mentor for boys is often accorded to uncles – older (although not always) male relatives with a genetic interest in the boy’s survival.)

    I was musing this morning, upon seeing a headline asserting that “… Black Lives Matter’s Antagonism To Marriage And Family …” (source, details and accuracy irrelevant — the Left’s antagonism toward the nuclear family is well documented) to consider that the people most loudly proclaiming how much they love Science and how anybody who disputes Darwinian Evolution (about which pretty much all they know is wrong, but never mind) refuse to recognise that the nuclear family is an evolutionary result, a solution to various challenges which probably ought not be simply discarded in favor of some radical alternative (see: Chesterton’s Fence).

    Until this passage I had not pursued the thought, deeming it but a minor amusement (as are most of my amusements) and that the apparent inconsistency of the Progressives was only illusory, a product of their hypocrisy, weaponized ignorance, and consistency only in their pursuit of power and personal aggrandizement.

    Still funny, though.

  13. The same thing goes for WWI, … Europe is in that emo funk …

    Andrew Klavan has argued that an even more profound instance of this occurred with Luther and with England’s Henry VIII — a breaking of the sanctification of Rome as sole arbiter of Truth in the world. It is likely pointless to argue over just how long the resulting wars lasted, as in some places (Eire, e.g.) the ashes are still smoldering five hundred years later.

    Which kind of makes America’s ongoing angst over the resolution of the War the Free the Slaves seem ephemeral, don’t it? The Big Lie of History is that conflicts are ever resolved, and certainly never resolved quickly (except in geological values of quickness).

    Hell, we’re still wrestling over issues that rankled the Roman Republic, such as division of duties and privileges among the patricians and plebeians, with the only consistency being that privileges are less esteemed by those who have them and burdens under-valued by those who don’t bear them.

    1. Another aspect, addressed by James Branch Cabell (and later by Neil Gaiman), most notably in his novel Jurgen in which the title character journeys through “The Hell of Our Fathers” where punishment is meted out to the Damned.

      The actual sins of the Damned are generally trivial and the demons assigned to punishment detail are weary of the administrative duties, but the Damned are insistent on the Magnitude of their Sins and insist on punishment appropriate to their estimation of their transgressions. Their true sin, of course, the one which mandates their punishment, is the Sin of Pride. It is their pride which contends their sins were great, their pride which denies their punishment has been sufficient, their pride which exhausts the demons of Hell.

      Just so do we see the workings of pride, of arrogance, in the denunciation of Western Civilization for its flawed origins (as if there’s anything which lacks flaws in its origins.) Pride requires the paroxysms of public self-flagellation over Western Civilization’s transgressions against some imagined ideal. The disillusioned, like the child who having just discovered the Truth About Santa Claus compulsively destroys the myth for every child within reach, compete in the demonstration of repulsion for the corrupt culture they’ve inherited … while largely retaining the tangible benefits of that culture.

      Complaints about Injustice and Unfairness overlook the fact that ALL life is unjust, all life is unfair. The Good die young, the old live long and die slowly — except when they don’t. Nothing is as simple as it seems, which is yet another instance of injustice. “Man is conceived in sin and born in corruption and he passeth from the stink of the didie to the stench of the shroud.”

      Accept the flaws of the world, act in such ways as you can understand to minimize unfairness and mind your own issues rather than presuming to pass judgement over those whose realities you know little of. Eschew ostentatious rending of garments (your own or others’) over the “Unfairness of it all” in favor of doing what you can to be more fair.

      And always remember: you know far less than you think you do about other people’s lives.

      1. I was thinking the other day about that particular phrase in one of our founding documents, “To form a more perfect union…” and thinking that most of these protesters and their enablers probably have never sat down to contemplate it.

        Our forefathers didn’t set out to form a utopia, I think they realized no such thing can ever exist. They set out to form something that was better than what they had before. But these protesters seem to be under the delusion that the founders thought they had perfected society for themselves. And that because it disenfranchised certain segments of the population that the whole thing idea needs to be chucked in the waste bin. There are reasons for the process of changing our Constitution, but the progressives can’t be bothered by that stodgy old document. Change has to happen NOW, dammit and to hell with the consequences.

        Which reminds me of a blog post I had several years ago regarding a comment one of my leftier friends made regarding the liberal mentality. “The same laws now cannot be the same laws in 50-100 years. Liberals understand that.” The left is insane.

        1. I’ve been more concerned with “Now, and to hell with the consequences!” than anything else. The Floyd riots completely baffle me–he’s been charged, he’s been arrested, the riots continued… Okay, so they’re saying it shouldn’t have happened in the first place, but given that it *did*, and that there’s no system in the universe that would prevent anything like it from ever happening again, what’s the angle? Are we supposed to have just shot the cop in the back of the head on-site?

          It feels like nothing short of an all-hours star-chamber staffed by only the Best People could be sufficient.

          1. I’m back to crazy again.

            I’ve just heard about the ERA expansion.

            I’m thinking, time to start prepping friend of the court briefs alleging the the suspensions and firings are in fact improper discrimination against the sexual preference of murdering blacks.

            I mean, I really do identify as a monster. If they expand a rule, they should be forced to confront all the implications of that expansion. Not just the ones they imagine are convenient.

            1. What!?! They’ve expanded Earned Run Average? I thought all the Moneyballers were doing their damnedest to constrict it! What are they doing, charging earned runs on pitcher errors and wild pitches?

          2. Also, there are only a half dozen reasons I’m not saying that we should have required that /Floyd/ be summarily executed.

            Meth and opiates. The man was not competent to care for his own health in public space. Sure, it is still theoretically possible that he was murdered.

            People using certain substances could as easily die from injuring themselves on an obstacle, and not realizing the need to seek medical attention as they could from police.

            Druggies who want to avoid a police related death should stay inside, and not move too much, while they are intoxicated.

            If they are outside, and get killed, part of the responsibility is on them.

            If society is at fault for these deaths, and we must prevent them, we should be keeping people with habits institutionalized, with burly nurse guards who can monitor them, and preserve everyone’s safety.

          3. As I see it, the “Floyd riots” are just a political power play utilizing useful idiots. Rioting in areas without problems, hundreds or even thousands of miles away, sometimes in other countries? That isn’t about the police, that’s political power. Especially when it’s nigh impossible to find anyone that defends the actions of the officer kneeling on his neck. I do feel sorry for the other officers, a couple of which had little to no street experience though.

    2. Well, actually the original Henry II beef with Ireland was apparently the continuation of the Norse slave market in Dublin, even after the mostly heathen Norse were out of power, and hence the marketing of Irish people by Irish people to the infidel Saracen. The English didn’t do Ireland a lot of favors, but you have to give those Norman adventurers the credit for shutting down the Dublin slave market.

      I’m still looking into it, but it does explain a lot about the breakdown of cohesive Irish society that a lot of the contemporary writers complained about. Cattle raiding your neighbors is fun, and slave raiding across the Irish Sea is attacking foreigners. But slave raiding against your enemies in your own homeland, and then selling them across the seas without any opportunity to get out? It really breaks the whole crazy Irish system of laws, castes, and obligations. If you have people disappearing, and you don’t know if they’re dead, a lot of things get suspended for years. And of course, the Irish population goes down and doesn’t have the manpower to do certain things.

  14. To most of us this is funny to watch, because we came of age under the unified lie, saw something that we couldn’t ignore and popped us out of it …

    Yes, for many of us the reaction to yet another of the centipede’s shoes dropping (e.g., the Obama Administration’s illegal spying on Americans) is merely, “Yes, I suspected as much.”

    But there is a reason the above scene resonates so deeply within our souls, making us all cry out in agreement, “Oh my God, I knew it. I knew it! I knew it!”

  15. We will know it’s gone to Hell in a handbasket when those loons in the Seattle ‘autonomous zone’ start hijacking food trucks. I reckon we’ll see that by the end of next week.

    They’ve got the ‘zone’ pretty much looted out by now, and stores inside the ‘zone’ will NOT be restocking for another round of looting. For now, the looters are subsisting on ‘donations’ from the outside. When those run short, they will start sending out raiding parties. Their most efficient tactic will be to hijack and loot grocery store delivery trucks.

    Once that starts, the food distributors — and the DRIVERS — will not want to go anywhere near the place. Food will run out for everybody in that part of Seattle. The leftists will wail for Da Gummint to Do Something, such as forcing food distributors to send in trucks to be hijacked and looted. This will not go over well. See the later chapters of The Last Centurion.

    There are three aspects to any military action: Tactics, Strategy and Logistics, in ascending order of difficulty and effectiveness. Those lefty loons are still trying to figure out Tactics. Hell, the idiots can’t even get ‘Loot, Pillage and Burn’ in the right order!
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    1. *cough*

      Cops allegedly refused to respond to shop under attack near Seattle CHAZ
      An auto-shop owner on the edge of Seattle’s cop-free CHAZ says police refused to help as an angry mob stormed his property — forcing his son to pull a gun to protect them, according to video and reports.

      John McDermott told KIRO 7 News that he initially tried to detain a protester Sunday night who stole cash and set a fire in his Car Tender business on the edge of the so-called “Capital Hill Autonomous Zone.”

      His son, Mason McDermott, helped tackle the suspect who “tried to cut me with a box cutter,” he told the station, showing large slits in his jeans close to his crotch.

      Other protesters soon arrived — and video on social media shows the mob eventually knocking over a section of fencing, running in to confront the owners and angrily demand the return of the original suspect.

      McDermott told the station he repeatedly dialed 911 for both police and fire crews. “All told 19 times,” he said.

      He was “heartbroken” when they “finally said that they weren’t going to send somebody,” he said. “I mean, they are the cavalry,” he told the station.

      He said he eventually had to let the initial suspect go free to avoid “mayhem beyond mayhem” — and his son pulled a firearm to protect themselves from the mob, some of whom were also armed, they said.

      “He’s just trying to protect his business,” a local reporter said in a livestreamed video as he noted the gun during the attack. No shots appeared to have been fired.

      [SNIP]

      Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best said Monday that officers responded — but “observed the location from a distance.”

      “They did not see any signs of smoke or fire or anything else and they did not see a disturbance,” so they didn’t go in, Best said, according to The Seattle Times. …

      1. Well, I suppose if they ‘observed’ from far enough away, they wouldn’t SEE a disturbance…

        Still, I’m not sure I can blame the officers for staying clear of a no-win situation. Whatever they did, or didn’t do, the rabid left-wingers would demand that they be burned at the stake (maybe metaphorically…and, maybe not) and the twat-waffle mayor would bow down and light the fire. What can you do when you KNOW your ‘leader’ will throw you to the wolves to appease the mob?
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      2. > Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best said Monday that officers responded — but “observed the location from a distance.”

        That is policy for many PDs, and has been for many years. “Our Number One Job is to go home safe at night.”

        They’re not police, they’re just thugs with uniforms and a retirement plan.

  16. I’ve been trying not to think about the election. Our more medium term regulars can guess why. I spent half of 2016 nuts, even by my standards. From Cruz’s withdrawal, to Trump’s election.

    So, for my own mental health, I’ve been trying not to get agitated about politics this cycle. Hahahaha.

    Some of y’all have helped me out this year already. And I’ve got a high RL personal stress forecast in the near future.

    I’ve been trying not to speculate or care about the election.

    “What are the Dems going to do next to put my stress through the roof?” Well, giving me a new situation to analyze and figure out the safety implications of would not be wonderful. The Atlanta situation looks like the Democrats do not feel confident in their ability to use BLM for long enough on Floyd’s death, and thus want to enhance things. That probably means that they will actually weaken things by throwing in marginal examples. The worse self-inflicted injury that they could do themselves might be to weaken it, and then pivot to some other issue, pushed just as hard.

    Maybe there is some supremely genius plan inevitably leading to our doom. But maybe they only think they have the plot armor of Light Yagami and Sousuke Aizen combined. They are impacting many lives, but if they are doing so by blind rote and enthusiasm, sharing a delusional about how revolutions work, they could really screw this up.

    And if they did have a master planner, why didn’t that one arrange to win the primary and get the enthusiasm of the base at the same time? Okay, I don’t think I ever left Team “Hillary could still win in 2020”. This still looks an awful lot like the case where Hillary cleared the party of competitive talent, it has no one capable of leading a viable campaign, and it lashes out with cargo cult ghost dancing. Okay, I read fiction where good planning looks like that before the trap snaps shut. I’m not sure that any of those are robust and feasible enough for actual competent RL planners.

    1. I have found that venting is an effective way to reduce stress — and transfer it to others!
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