For This Our Country Committed Suicide


Can we leave the liberals in their bunkers, cyanide at the ready, while the rest of us resume life?  Because this is insane:

Wuhan Virus Watch: CDC Says Coronavirus Infection Fatality Rate Could be as Low as 0.26%

Of course, most of them are AMERICAN journalists and bought-and-paid for politicians:

Top Chinese Diplomats Call for ‘Wolf Warrior’ Army to Push Diplomatic Agenda Abroad


Nah, brah.  I speak fluent leftist, having lived among them so long. This can be translated as “We plan to steal the election and want to preemptively make it impossible for Trump to push back” just like they ran with the lie that Trump had called the virus an hoax so that Trump…. couldn’t call the panic over the virus an hoax:  NY Times Pushes Conspiracy Theory About Trump Refusing to Accept 2020 Outcome

Also, what happens when some people get bored: Go here for your Winnie The Flu (Winnie the Flu, Winnie the Flu, creepy little virus hyped up into the plague. Winnie the Flu, Winnie the Flu…..)  select a pie.Feel free to do image captures and memes. One of the things we have to get used to as non-leftists is doing the information (and advertising) campaigns the so called leaders won’t do.

And now I’m going to drink a vat of caffeine and do some work.  Allergies are better than last week (rain helped) but they take a while to clear.

339 thoughts on “For This Our Country Committed Suicide

    1. If it’s as bad as New Wave sci-fi and cinema, we’d better nuke it from orbit, followed by “rods from G-d” just to be safe.

    2. The thing is, most second waves are smaller, so unless one is in an airport and thus forced to watch CNN, how will we even notice?

      1. I thought he was also going to compile total death rate in the U.S. compared to previous years. Did the 20% lower trend continue after March?

            1. When I was younger, I once left a note on his desk saying it was his mistress or me.
              To complete the look, I put stickers with cool eyes and lipstick mouth on the computer, and put fishnet stockings on the keyboard.
              When he’s pursuing SOMETHING in his mind, so far, that’s the only thing that worked. In 35 years.

              1. Hmmm … disengage—grunt, thwack—mental focus … I think my wife may have had the same difficulty. She has told me some stories …

              2. This is a type of problem which is apparently inherent with some types of men …

                This can be a surprisingly good indicator of quality in the male of the species.

          1. Yeah, working fine on macOS Catalina for me using Safari or Safari Technology Preview.

            (Goes to check others)

            Also OK on Firefox and Chrome.

                1. It’s all the corrosives I deal with (^_~)
                  z-scaler does odd, random things outside of blocking “dangerous” sites like Shooting Illustrated, Bearing Arms (Town Hall, Red State, PJMedia, Twitchy and Insty are not blocked though)
                  My old Supe used to have to keep Firefox, Chrome, and two versions of IE to do his job. I had the older pre-IE10 version to print GHS labeling for products.
                  Once Windohs7 became persona non grata, they also made some changes to payroll management and dropped Firefox from the computers. We still use IE for that GHS label site, as Edge works less well, but need to use workarounds to get things to actually print correctly.
                  Sadly, once I got home, I forgot to recheck the links. oy

            1. Nothing on Pale Moon in Linux (Youtube videos don’t play well on that, probably because PM is not currently Firefox or Gecko “User Agent Mode”, but is in “Native” UAM). OTOH, firefox in LInux gets it, though the picture of Despicable Kate Brown on the Klamath County page will set me off my feed for a while. (She has one of the creepier smiles around, pretty much like “I just sentenced 4 dozen counties to isolation for Portland’s sins. Bwawawaha!”)

              FWIW, the relevant version of FF: mozilla-firefox-68.8.0esr

        1. Ghostery got bought by the Cliqz spam/tracker dirtbags. You might want to switch to something else.

            1. Nolt that does *exactly* what Ghostery used to do, but I’m covering the bases with uBlock Origin and the EFF’s Privacy Badger. And a highly-tuned “hosts” file

              There’s no one product (that I know of) that does everything.

              A short and reasonable look at browser add-ins:

              And a good explanation of hosts files:

              If you’re using Firefox, it’s not exactly malware, but it leaks *way* more information than reasonable to various third parties, not to mention over-the-top levels of “telemetry.” You can search on “tighten Firefox security” and get hours of entertainment playing in about:config… whether turning various things “off” makes any difference, who knows… or how much more might be compiled in without even a placebo.

  1. It’s difficult for me to know how things are really going in other parts of the country and world, but here in east Tennessee it’s pretty clear that people are just ignoring whatever the leftists in government and the media say and are going about their business. Look up the term “Irish Democracy”…

    1. At the malls (which are slowly reopening here in Canada), half the people aren’t masked and most people regard the traffic signs on the floor telling them where to walk as suggestions.

      1. Here in PA, near Philadelphia (Gods help us) people took the arrows on the floor seriously…for a week. Except in my local ‘beer distributor’ (PA has odd booze laws) where the arrows by the registers actually make for more efficient lines. I honk we’re keeping those.

      2. Here, alas, more than half the stores in the malls are still closed. One had a lot of food stuff open but prevented you from sitting anywhere.

    2. Only masks I saw in East TN were:

      Folks *required* to wear ’em by job. Food service, etc.

      Old folks.

      And darn near nobody else. Even Knoxville, which leans a bit more lefty than the rest of the state (save the other heavy metro areas of course).

    3. Sunday I drove from GA to PA to see the girl (advantage of enforced work from home is I can go on a trip without using vacation days).

      SC, NC, and VA, at least the parts I drove, were normalish. I saw some masks in VA when I stopped for gas and food. The woman at 7-11 where I got gas wasn’t masked, most people walking around were not, but the staff at Hardee’s were. Both places had plexiglass up (counter and drive thru window respectively).

      In PA at the rest stop they had a “masks required” sign on the bathroom building, but outside of people using them I saw no masks.

      State College, PA is in “yellow” so some places are open, but no dine it at restaurants. That is changing Friday when they go to “green”. Previously, they asked to stay yellow and now are asking to go to green. This is one of the few counties not around Pittsburg or Philly to vote Hillary (Penn State is here, so academics) and even they are sick of it. Not to mention this is a true college town and it is looked at collapse without students.

      1. Colorado is masked. Except me. Anyone tries the mobbing act at me they did in NY state, they’re going to find why you don’t pock with a berserker.

        1. Thankfully Florida is mostly unmasked. Some workers are wearing them because they must, but a number of stores have put up face level plexiglas barriers for the cashiers so they have nearly all abandoned the masks as well.
          Bowling Alleys opened this week in my county!

        2. Ha. Had an SOB at the pet supplies place nearly find that out Sunday.

          We’re standing in line, AssHole behind me, probably younger than my husband, wearing stupid, ill-fitting surgical mask: “why aren’t you wearing one?”

          Me: “medical. I have asthma and it triggers my attacks”

          AH: “And him?”

          Me: “Cardiac issues”

          AH: “that’s a feeble excuse”

          And then blond cashier got in on it, telling me it was illegal for me to be in there unmasked, they’d lose their license, and I had to go now. Wouldn’t listen to me trying to show them the executive order. I admit to yelling, throwing the item I had been going to buy on the ground, telling them I’d be within my rights to file an ADA violation lawsuit, and I would never be shopping there again. Called them later when a little calmer and stress asthma partially resolved and learned no manager in til Tuesday. I read the kid on the phone the applicable EO, and first thing he asks is if I have medical papers to prove it. /sigh. Read him the next part of the EO which covers that, and told him it was exactly the same as if he were to ask for diagnosis and papers from someone to justify a service dog, i.e. ADA and HIPAA violations.

          The manager this morning when I called was very apologetic, and promised that staff would be getting some retraining.

          Still not planning on going back.

          And still want to track down AH and take a few swings at him with a baseball bat.

              1. But ammonia is a much more effective irritant. Kind of like the Karens, in its own chemical way.

                1. Well, I was thinking bleach, so one could then in one’s best little girl voice while batting one’s baby blues: “I just wanted to make sure to kill any germs you might have picked up from when you forgot to social distance because you were so busy yelling at me about not having a mask.”

    4. Out here, employees, older folks wearing masks. Otherwise people are doing their thing bare faced for the most part. FYI, my area is two weeks behind the rest of the state because of the packing-plant related case surge. They started testing and they found what they were looking for. Surprise surprise.

      1. A service man today asked us if we wanted him to wear mask and laughed when we said we don’t do cosplay LARPing of the apocalypse.
        He kept saying “Too right”. He’s been a good, reliable service man and accommodates us when we have an emergency even though he has a ton of work and little time, but I think we just climbed a little higher on the priority list.
        Finding sane people is an oasis in the desert of madness.

        1. We had to have the HVAC service tech out to the house last week to investigate a suspicious leak from the system in the attic – and the guy was so damned relieved when we said that he could take off the mask: we weren’t sick and he wasn’t sick. My name isn’t Karen and I don’t need to speak to his supervisor.

          1. I’ve been trying hard for some time to be the anti-Karen; the guy who asks to speak to the manager to compliment his crew.

            Completely aside from the cheer it spreads, if you haven’t tried it you would not BELIEVE the service it gets you when you go back. I have had servers remember what I drink SIX MONTHS from the last time I was in.j

            1. A friend and I do lunch every month or so. We went to a place we hadn’t been to in over a year, got seated, and I placed my order, which involves some substitutions due to food allergies. The waitress, who I’m certain I’d never seen before, said “and a Dr. Pepper?”, and on affirmative turned to my friend and asked if he wanted the same as last time too.

              He was a bit freaked when I pointed this out. Neither of us had identified ourselves, and I always pay cash anyway. I pointed out I could bodge together a waiter-assist program out of open-source software; facial recognition to identify a customer when he returns, and export the POS order data to the face system. Or vice versa, if the POS software has customer tracking. They didn’t need to know who we were, just identify a returning customer with, oh, mabe 75% accuracy, and keep a record of previous orders. Customers like to be remembered and are more likely to return sooner, waiters get bigger tips, etc.

              He was still a bit upset over it, though.

              “Welcome to the Real World…”

              1. Or, welcome to Minority Report.

                When I see POS, Point Of Sale is NOT the first thing I think of.

                1. Well most of the POS systems I had to support in my younger days qualified to use either meaning of the acronym

                2. I’ve done a fair amount of retail work, with several different Point Of Sale systems, and I can tell you that that is abbreviated POS for a REASON!

        2. All weekend I was telling coworkers that if they were going to make us do kabuki theater they should at least provide us with oni masks.

      2. I carry a mask (keeps the sun off my neck, too, but I don’t put it on unless the place is hugely crowded or I’ll be in the checkout line. I know it’s no real protection from incoming wigglies but at least it attenuates any of mine. But if the place is lightly crowded or already practices sensible distancing, down it comes.

          1. Or speaking Klingon at them.

            So if you cannot resist cursing at those who deserve it in Klingon, wear a mask.

      3. Work was allowed a limited reopen for the holiday; employees were required to wear masks we could only have outside food venues and all shows had to be outside; and we had a cap of 300 people we could have in the park. It’s basically a situation that ensured we couldn’t have a sustained reopen.

        And since we’re on land leased from the county they do have control on when and how we reopen.

    5. Pretty much the same here in Texas – people are wearing masks inside businesses, but once outside, it’s pretty much off with it.
      It’s getting hot here, too – which makes wearing the damn things even more uncomfortable and unnecessary.

    6. I did the normal shopping run today. Home Depot (mostly building materials) not many mask wearers. Tiny chain Home Improvement store (garden section) quite a few mask wearers. OTOH, more contractor and ranchers at HD, more city folks and/or “leisure retirees” in the garden section at the time. (Comparable to Sunday at HD, where the demographics were closer to the other store and mask rate higher.)

      Kroger Affiliate: most everything was in stock, didn’t notice masks.

      Indy club store: usual (high) mask rate because demographics; very old crowd. Short supply on acetaminophen, both store brand and Tylenol. OTOH, things seem to be getting better for inventory.

      Independent Grocer: I got curious and did a pseudo-random sample of the first 20 non-employees I saw. (By store policy, employees are masked up.) Sample of 20: 17 maskless, 3 masked up. This was in produce, meats and dairy sections. I stopped counting at the last. So, if this holds, maybe 15% will wear a mask in a state where it’s not (yet) mandatory.

      When I get the round tuit, I’m going to try an experiment on myself: Measure O2 sat without a mask, then wear a mask for 30 minutes (probably sitting at the computer) and measure again. I’m curious as to what it does to my oxygen level. If it does what I suspect, I’d use that to get a waiver for any possible mandatory maskup.

      Oh yeah; masked customers at the credit union are required to lower the mask when they enter. Once a picture has been taken, they can remask. So much for armed robbery fantasies. 🙂

      1. “Oh yeah; masked customers at the credit union are required to lower the mask when they enter. Once a picture has been taken, they can remask. So much for armed robbery fantasies.” Yes, I had to turn some money into cash yesterday, if you know what I mean, and they had a :”Please remove your mask before entering, you may put it back on when you get inside” sign. Quite understandable.

    7. Keeping in mind that Saipan is the US in Asia, about 75% of businesses have “no mask no entry” signs up, including basically all the grocery stores. I wear a “stay off my back, Karen” crochet mask when I have to go shopping, and anyone who gives me grief about the Young Master not wearing one is reminded of the difficulty of 2yos. Been seeing a lot of nostrils lately, though.

      Amusingly, I got compliments on the crochet number from someone who should have known it was useless…

    8. Take heart. According to my Mom, the discussion is tentatively maybe reopening for work, but only some things, and public transportation is still verboten or extremely limited, so essential workers are walking to work still. The Lefties in the Philippines are idiotically trying to blame it on the President when lockdown is handled by local municipal government.

      They’re slowly reopening in stages here, but not really sure how the public transport network is going to be able to handle the load still, what with social distancing being the recommended thing to do.

  2. Yep, I estimated the IFR of 0.2-0.5% in MARCH, based on data from South Korea and the Diamond Princess ( ). Jay Bhattacharya estimated it as even lower – using data from Italy. John Ioannidis estimated a range that spanned Jay’s and mine.

    Nice to know the CDC is only two months behind us non-government epidemiologists.

      1. Because it ain’t hard to spot the lies in the media. Are their mouths moving? Tapping on phone, tweeting? Probably lies. Mention Trump? Definitely lies. Corona-Chan? Same.

    1. Biggest problem I can see is that the chase for money has caused researchers, health depts, and a good portion of epidemiologists to forget to verify the models against empirical data and or are fudging the imperial data. I know they are listing COVID-19 as primary cause in way too many cases. Everyone is bagging on Trump for every blip and hiccup but not looking at the fallout from the other elected officials.

        1. I rather like the gunshot victims counted as Wuhan Flu deaths in Washington State. Kate Brown is bad enough, thank you very much.

          1. You can’t prove they would have been shot without the coronavirus and the ensuing panic, though. They must be counted!

    2. To paraphrase one of Obama’s mentors, You don’t have to be an epidemiologist to know which way the flu is blowing.

      Think how much lower the fatalities would be if only government policies in several states (NY, MN, MI) hadn’t placed infected among the most vulnerable populations (elder-care facilities.) Had they wanted mass death among of the elderly they could have done nothing more effective.

      1. If they don’t have to pay for the elderly, more money for them. Yes I am not just snarking, I believe that they deliberately murdered thousands of people because it was convenient. Oh for just one DA with balls.

  3. Let’s hope that Trump cut enough regulations during the wu-hu-flu to get our economy roaring in time to keep us from starving to death while we freeze this winter.


    1. Considering all the magical thinking some expect everyone to believe, perhaps it’s more a woo-floo.

      And the Karenovirus curves should be flattened with anvils. Though steamships would do.

    2. PJ media is reporting that a Lefty Democrat economist is warning the Democrats that the economy could do an absolutely EPIC comeback, and they shouldn’t count on a bad economy dragging Trump down.

      For whatever it’s worth.

      1. Sarah mentioned that Trump has done the political thing of not letting a crisis go to waste: While everyone was distracted by and focused on the panic, he slashed a ton of regulatory burden as an emergency measure. I’d like to see the cite for myself to have the comfort of more than hearsay, but assuming she didn’t misinterpret, the economy could well be roaring ahead by late fall.


  4. Saw an idiot online today (not a unique occurrence) screaming that 5.5 million people had *died* of COVID-19. From what I understand, that’s the number of *infected* and most people who are infected survive. Nobody corrected him.

      1. But they are opposed to executing murderers and terrorists. They set violent criminals free, and lock up ‘conservative’ speakers. Defined as, anybody saying anything they disagree with.

        1. Ah, yes, but conservatives are fascists, and fascism must be stamped out, no matter the cost!

        2. But they are opposed to executing murderers and terrorists.

          Well, yeah, how are they supposed to keep killing people if you do that?

          1. Loving evil is their way of showing they are more moral, more nuanced and in all ways better than deplorables. it is not so much that they love evil but that they hate us.

    1. Probably because he and most of his audience have bought the media’s lie about how catching the Kung Flu is a guaranteed death sentence a-la the superbug in that Contagion movie.

      1. Hey, I go around telling everybody that we’re NOT living in The Last Centurion. Some ask what I’m babbling about, and then I get to tell them about the book published 12 years ago about a virus that started in China and spread around the world…

        Of course, John Ringo’s H5N1 flu killed four billion people, and the panic killed another billion. Wu Kung Flu is up to, what, 60 or 70 thousand, worldwide?

        I guess he wasn’t satisfied with only 5 billion; H7N3 takes out over 95% of the world in Under A Graveyard Sky.

        1. 345,000 world wide deaths per Johns Hopkins as of 5/26. Probably reporting low for China as they stopped reporting new deaths early march (like I believe that) and low for Russia and a few others. Likely reporting HIGH for US (Here’s a main that got hit by a car, OOOH positive for COVID 19, Cause of Death: Wu Flu) and Europe, Who knows if its right for Africa or other places where things are, shall we say, disfunctional. All in all that seems in the right ballpark. Ringo’s H5N1 is on a par with Marburg, but airborne, i.e VERY bad. The H7N3 is like Smallpox on a virgin field or an antibiotic resistant Pnuemonic plague, or airborne Ebola Zaire or Kings virus in The Stand, almost an extinction level event for humans.

          1. That 345k includes the Chinese-reported numbers, which at current stand (nay, are stuck) at 4,633 total deaths nationwide.

            The population of Wuhan, China is 11 million, and the population of the entire middle kingdom is 1.4 billion.

            Evaluating the likelihood that the 11 million people in Wuhan by itself only experienced 4,633 deaths, let alone the entire country, is left as an exercise for the reader.

            1. With the Chicom reported death numbers I move the decimal point one digit to the right to get a rough estimate of the actual numbers.

              Been doing that since June of 1989

            2. As noted China’s numbers are quite low as they stopped reporting additional deaths sometime in late February/ March. I don’t even think the CCP believes their numbers they’re just sticking them out there as they know the western press WILL believe the numbers, especially once their palms have been appropriately greased.

      2. LARPing the apocalypse.
        I want to give them some apocalypse to cry over, I swear.
        Then I remember it would also engulf the ones I know. And I forgive them.

        1. At this point the LARP is starting to engulf people I know, while the LARPers are fine.

          Eventually, there will be no reason not to give them what they claim they want by their actions.

    2. I wonder if that 5.5 million figure includes the 21 million Chinese whose cell phones have gone silent?

      Oh well, it slows the Climate Change Apocalypse, probably by a full day and a half.

      1. The May 13, 2020, Yale paper published in The Lancet analyzing the air pollution reduction in China and projecting the mortality benefits therefrom calculated that the shutdown avoided a total of “8911 NO2-related deaths (95% CI 6950–10 866)” and then in full gullibility says that air quality improvement avoided deaths “could potentially have outnumbered the confirmed deaths attributable to COVID-19 in China (4633 deaths as of May 4, 2020)” (emphasis added).

        Of course if the Chinese Communist Pandemic Pneumonia from Wuhan China where Winnie is God-Emperor death toll is greater than 4,633 (!) but instead is an order of magnitude greater, this would likely not be such a good trade.

        Do not be surprised, however, if this study gets thrown up by the watermelon crowd at every opportunity going forward.

      1. There’s a good chance that there are no actual Chinese numbers.

        Their internal documentation may well also be fraudulent.

        1. May well. Heh. When your life depends on the numbers saying what dear leader *wants* them to say, well…

          The degree of fraud may well be all we’d be arguing over.

  5. I’ve seen claims that if we quit wearing masks, it means we will soon be carrying bodies into the streets, when the Second Wave hits. Really! Iwannasaygetagrip. Most people (including journalists!) are sufficiently innumerate and poor at evaluating risk, that published numbers on infection and fatality rates, even if they are reliable, are practically meaningless. They do not translate into rational decisions. This isn’t the Black Death. It isn’t Smallpox, it isn’t Ebola or AIDS. It isn’t chicken pox or the measles, or even driving in heavy traffic.

      1. Not true. They indicate the sheep and, when people freak out, people to add to the list in the long run.

        1. Eh. If used properly (they are *not*), in appropriate settings (ain’t happenin’), along with proper procedure (No, no, I’m not laughing, you’re laughing!)… You’ll probably not infect an open wound when you sneeze with your hands full from intimate distances.

          That’s about as far as I’d go on N95 mask use.

          1. Smiling like you want to put your teeth through their throat might be involved, too.

            She says, carefully avoiding mirrors.

    1. I’ve seen more than one crazed liberal spout that anyone not wearing a mask is a murderer. This insane worry about germs from people *I KNOW* when drunk have eaten food that fell in the street, or have had drunken unprotected sex with complete strangers.

      I’m damn tired of being lectured by these hypocritical terrified Karens.

      1. That would be entertaining to point out, though.

        Bonus points if you do it in a social situation and cause all the conversations in the room to stop dead.

      2. Yeah, this after all the sneering contempt for qualities of purity cultures grates a little.

      3. Well, since I’m already a murderer, and since after the first felony they’re free…

        1. You could probably save the felony. The people I know saying it are incredibly self-destructive.

          ::sigh:: I know some lead such hedonistic lifestyles they have severe medical conditions resulting from it.

          I just started counting in my head everyone I knew obsessed with hedonism, who died before 50 and as a result of the lifestyle; suicide, legit murdered, and medical conditions due to the abuse. I’m stunned at the number.

          God. Oh God, have mercy on those souls, for I just realized there’s a new name for me to add to that long, long list. I’m tired. They are afraid of a virus, while they welcome death as long as it comes in a fun package.

          I’m feeling very sad now. I wish I could help them.

  6. If they think implying Trump will steal the election will give them cover to do so and prevent Trump from pushing back clearly missed the past few years.

    1. Even some leftists are pointing out Hillary et al refusing to accept the results of the election including the especially stupid attempt to get electors to change their votes after it was Trump who was asked if he was willing to accept the election results. They will ask again in debates this fall. Expect Trump to respond with “I’ve proven I’d did, but you do need to ask Joe based on Hillary”, but in a much less polite way.

    2. This is why pushing and pushing Mueller only to have him fail was a bad choice. Claims against Trump are evaluated in the light of that probe finding nothing.

    3. This was in the NYT. SCA Kingdom newsletters probably affect people not in the media directly more. Publishing it in the Times no longer had the power it did. Same for WP. They have lost their agenda setting power. Note, none of the broadcast news media carried the story.

    1. Trump not accepting the results shouldn’t be a problem, because there’s almost no chance that Gropey Joe is going to win.

                1. It’s just proof of how badly Eeevul Republikkkans have been suppressing the vote all these years.

                  AND why we need to use sampling for the census.

      1. Biden will win because, with the whole “distance campaigning,” he can be “generic democrat” and run against Trump’s flaws rather than having to deal with his own. I hope I’m wrong on this, but I think they’re going to be able to hide Biden until November, and win on the grounds that, whether Orange Man bad or not, Orange Man is deeply weird, and most people just want to be normal again.

        1. They’re actually talking about Biden “Returning us to normalcy.” They’re channeling Warren G. Harding, and I don’t think we’d be lucky enough to get another Coolidge.

          1. Biden could’t find normal with a map, compass, GPS and two Boy Scouts.

            1. Yeah, Boy Scouts should be safe. Would not send him into the field with Girl Scouts though…

        2. I believe people have become accustomed to the Orange Man. He’s a known quantity now.

          The interesting thing is that there’s practically no “I voted for Trump in 2016 and now I regret it” movement. The closest thing I’ve heard of are the recent polls claiming Trump to be losing support among older voters. Which is weak because “polls” are weak.

          Now maybe there are individuals proclaiming “I regret voting for Trump!” and I just haven’t heard about them. But I would expect to have heard about them; I’d expect the MSM and the other Usual Suspects to have shouted about it from the rooftops if there was anything to shout about.

          1. They were popping up every once in a while in the MSM– problem being, if you show a little old lady saying she voted for Trump, and share her name, you can usually poke around to see what she was actually doing 4 years ago, and they kept turning out to be very loudly not voting for Trump.

              1. Just like you and I have both stated. “I did NOT vote for Trump in 2016 …” … only I have a tendency, other than in this forum, to leave off the “I voted against HER. I plan on voting FOR trump in 2020.” I have no intention of telling pollsters that I’m voting for Trump in 2020 … I will cheerfully lie through my teeth. Not normally a good at lying, but I’ll try.

                I’m over 60 female …

                1. Same, same.
                  Yeah, but you’re Odd.
                  Most people over 60 (and certainly over 65) still get all their news from the MSM so they were not ever Trump voters.
                  You know, I know….

          2. How many older people are left that voted for Trump who will tell the truth to pollsters? We’ve seen with our own eyes that they’re on the side of TWANLOC.

          3. Honestly, OLDER voters, meaning over 60 are not and never were Trump’s main support. I will write on it tomorrow. I was going to do it today, but ran out of spoons.

  7. I still remain somewhat hopeful, despite having a whole pack of black dogs of depression around me right now.

    Quite a few of the masks have been torn off of the media and more people are looking, really looking at what they’re getting.
    This “above, around, under, and through” mentality that we have is going to inspire a lot of people to keep going above, around, under, and through the scolds.
    We’ve exposed the Karens not only as being nagging scolds, but hypocritical nagging scolds. And, for Americans at least, hypocrisy is one of the greatest and least forgiveable of sins.
    I’m actually looking at what it takes to set up a LLC or something for publishing.
    The house is a lot cleaner, there’s been a lot of tossing of stuff, and I think I can make quite a bit when Half Price Books opens up for buying again.
    I’ve saved about three months of effective salary, so I’m in a safer place than before. It might even be four months at the end, blind optimism is five months.

    It’s not good, and we’re going to be seeing the consequences for a while. But, I remain hopeful.

    1. I too am black dogged, for other reasons. STUPID reasons. And worried about younger son and his limbo situation.
      Ping me on FB if you still need cover. I’ll do it. Sorry to take SO long.

      1. Black dogs are doing booming business these days. 🙁

        I had them piled deep around me yesterday. Their removal was one thing the job interview was very good for. (By phone, and they have no idea when they can actually take anyone new on since they are in eastern PA, but good company and much better pay.) But they are hungry dogs, and I can sense them just outside the door. Waiting patiently.

      2. I have no Black Dogs, just a black cat. He does not bring depression, nor do the other cats.

          1. That is hard. Remember all the good times he’s given you, and the ones you’ve given him.

            My three cats were abandoned. I’m pretty sure they’ve had better lives since I took them in. Right now they’re all flopped on the bed, sleeping off a hard day of doing nothing. They’ll get up for supper, though.

            1. Euclid was about to be euthanized when we adopted him by the unusual method of claiming he was ours and had escaped.
              He’s now either 21 or 22.

          2. Not going to be a good week for us. See my post below. Hubby is going to talk with the vet he plays golf with, but he hasn’t seen Thump can only give advice based on what our vet reports and recommends. I could deal if Thump was geriatric. He is not. He’s only 5. Brought him home at about 18 days. He was 1# 2ozs. Just a tiny, tiny, baby, lost or abandoned. At least our vet will let us be with him when we euthanize Thump. For now he’s home for cuddles, loves, & good-byes. But unless something changes … Thursday …

      3. Don’t let the bastards grind you down. This is the opportunity of a lifetime, maybe of two lifetimes, to rip the sheets off the unbelievable scam that socialism is. The Greatest Generation went to war against it but came home to find it HERE. Now it is our turn to drive a stake through the vampire’s heart. I’ve got a beauty made from a lightning-struck oak tree right here.

  8. Forever the leftist mantra has been that vote fraud is rare and inconsequential.
    I grew up in downstate Illinois not far from Chicago. You know the home of “vote early and often” and “my grandpa was a Republican his entire life then after he died he switched to Democrat.”
    As Heinlein was fond of saying: “pull the other one, it’s got bells on.”
    Which is an old fashioned version of “liar liar pants on fire!”
    What I am desperately hoping is the case is that Trump’s DOJ is quietly forming a massive campaign to root out and prosecute every attempt to cheat this coming election.
    I am somewhat heartened by a news story yesterday where an election official in I think California has been charged with multiple felony counts of vote tampering ostensibly skewing the vote totals by as much as 15% in favor of whomever paid him off.
    Sadly, I am not shocked that it happened but rather that he’s been caught and prosecuted.
    Look the powers that be have been discussing hiring millions of snoops to implement that contact tracing silliness, why not a similar number of “special deputy marshals” to ensure we have for once a fair and honest election. And it could even be sold as necessary to make sure that Trump did not steal the election. Leave the left hoist on their own petard so to speak.

    1. I think Barr is representative of a bunch of people at Justice, people who are sick & tired of the crap their bosses have been doing. These are the people who read every newly released document and understand what it means — and how the MSM is lying about the implications.

      For a long time Democrat vote fraud was accepted as part of the price of doing business, akin to petty pilfering by employees. It was a nuisance but not generally rising to the point of determining BIG elections – maybe a governor or two, maybe one or two states’ electoral votes, but not decisive and not sufficiently severe to warrant the Justice Department’s intrusion. But now, with VBM and Ballot Harvesting the pilferage is threatening to become too great and too blatant. The cost of inaction exceeds the cost of over-reaction.

      And they’ve a boss eager to support them, a factor always important.

      1. Oregon you are required to sign the outer envelope. Thus when turned in it is matched against your on file signature and the voting rolls. Only then is the ballot pulled and counted. My problem is I don’t vote on everything. Rarely, okay never, is there an “none of the above” and/or “I don’t freaking care.” Nothing to stop someone from marking those undervoted items. Now overvoted items, the item isn’t counted. In theory you’d think they’d catch the double vote fraud. Not sure how they catch the deceased, not-legal-to-vote, fraud. I’m all for purge voter roles regularly.

        1. Nothing to stop someone from marking those undervoted items. Now overvoted items, the item isn’t counted.

          What happens if you mark both (all) options on an item for which you want to abstain? That would seem to qualify as an overvote and thus not be counted.

          Pain in the kiester for the voter but it eliminates one opportunity for fraud.

          I agree on purging.

          1. What happens if you mark both (all) options on an item for which you want to abstain? That would seem to qualify as an overvote and thus not be counted.

            Good point.

            Normally my under vote is for someone that is the only person running. If I know who they are (rare) & really don’t like them, there is always the write in option. At that point mark write in & write in “not him/her”.

            If a Yes/No vote. Then read the measure to insure not a double negative, and vote to insure something doesn’t happen. They’ve tried the double negative where a Yes meant something couldn’t be done, and No meant it was going to be done. Tried it once or twice on the Sales Tax vote. Didn’t work. They tried.

        2. Here in San Diego there are at least 70,000 entries that the Registrar Of Voters is required by state law to remove from the lists, but are still there after 5 years. Most are folks who moved to a different district but are still registered to vote at their old address.

          I can’t PROVE that illegal aliens are using those outdated registrations to cast fraudulent votes…

          Then again, why would a government official refuse to follow the law? And then face no consequences?

      1. So was I. However, if you remember, he tried looking into the 2016 fraud and basically had most jurisdictions simply refuse to cooperate. Judicial Watch and TrueTheVote have had better luck with lawsuits.

    2. Why do the Democrats get to screech FRAUD! FRAUD!! if they lose but when Republicans PROVE fraud it’s ‘move along, nothing to see, voting fraud does not exist’?

      And nobody calls them on it? Nobody rubs their noses in it and flogs their asses?
      My grandpa voted Republican until the day he died — but he’s voted Democrat ever since!

      1. The MSM provides close air support for the Dems, creating a resonance chamber in which their claims are amplified and echoed and Republican claims are stifled. See John Hinderaker’s post at Power Line today:

        … isn’t there a larger point here? What has Joe Scarborough done for the last 3 1/2 years but spread “debunked conspiracy theories” about Donald Trump–most notably, but by no means limited to, the Russia hoax–“speculated without evidence” about the Russia hoax, the Ukraine kerfuffle and other matters, and “unleashed a torrent of false allegations, mischaracterizations and baseless rumors” about the president? That sounds like Scarborough’s job description at MSNBC.

        And what about the Washington Post? Despite its high and mighty tone in describing the president’s “spread[ing a] debunked conspiracy theory,” hasn’t that been the Post’s own stock in trade for years, when it comes to Donald Trump? Speculating without evidence, spreading conspiracy theories that turn out to be false, and unleashing a torrent of false allegations, mischaracterizations and baseless rumors sums up very well the Post’s coverage of the Donald Trump campaign, and of his presidency since January 2017.

        So, while I am critical of tweets like the ones the Post is complaining about, I have a hard time working up a lot of sympathy for Joe Scarborough, and I can’t read the Post’s self-righteous account with anything but derision.

  9. Old folks and employees wearing masks, other people barefaced.

    Went to get my hair cut today on my day off. Signed up online for right after they opened, no problem. (Though another guy or two got there before me.) Waited in the waiting room chairs, set outside. (I guess most people wait in their cars, though.) Wore a mask while I was there, then took it off. (Did help to cut off that hairspray smell!)

    Weekday Masses and Confession started yesterday night while I was at work, but I’m going tonight. Choir on Sunday like normal, except there’s this dumb worry about hymnals; and so we’re supposed to read the lyrics off our smartphones and tablets. (The germiest things on Earth.)

    Everybody’s still dispensed from Sunday Mass, but everybody wants to go. 3 Masses, maximum of 50 people inside, unlimited people out in the parking lot who can come inside to receive Communion after presumably livestreaming Mass out there. (Or I guess you could just stand outside and watch through the windows.) That’s fine for our little chapel, but the giant echoing huge suburban churches are also supposed to have only 50 people at a time, which is total stupidity.

    Oh, and I didn’t realize that Wal-mart has to count entrants and keep it at 250, which is well below its feet per occupant limit of 800, while Meijer is allowed to go by its feet per occupant limit of 880 and doesn’t bother to count. (Kroger and Sam’s Club also count, while the smaller grocery stores don’t bother and aren’t bothered.)

    The state needs to open up completely, before the lawyers get really interested.

    1. Lucky you! Here in Commiefornia I still can’t get a haircut. The day is getting closer when I’ll have to break out the hedge clippers…

      1. Son broke down & ordered hair clippers. He keeps his hair at an even all around same length cut, so he can do that (1/2″ I think). Guess we’ll learn how this works tomorrow. Hair salons/barbers are open with appointment only, no drop in’s. They were booked very quickly. Kid had already ordered the clippers. He’s sporting the Harry Potter look …

    2. Supposedly, we have mass. They allow TEN people into a Cathedral that seats thousands.
      And have to wear masks.
      They say we shouldn’t expect to go more than once every three weeks.
      As much as I need it, no. Just no.

      1. Whenever two or more are gathered in His Name!
        But it still sucks and a blatant violation of our First Amendment rights.
        Are these miserable slimy bullies that confident of the short memories of we the people?
        I guarantee that some of us are making a list, mine is carved in stone, metaphorically speaking.

      2. Here in NC the edict was a percentage of official fire code capacity, e.g., 25% of capacity, maintaining social distancing.

        There is still a degree of idiocy in that, as families that arrived in the same car and will depart in that car probably do not need to maintain social distance in the pew. But it is at least a recognition that there is a difference between a hall designed to hold 25 and one designed for 2500.

  10. Would rag on Fauci but have done that already. Just wish Trump would fire him and the clown “heading”the CDC and put it back to managing infectious disease rather than a list of PC pipe dream projects. Don’t want this crew in place when the Wu Flu bug reappears.

    1. Amen. And Birx who is losing her mind (such as it is) over second waves and how Americans won’t let themselves be locked again.
      Damn right we won’t.

    2. At the very least, the CDC needs to get its long, long nose out of gun control. The police don’t treat disease, WHY THE FUCK is the CDC meddling in crime and law enforcement?

      1. Wasn’t there a meme once upon a time about the progressive left taking on a respected institution, infiltrating it, killing it off, skinning it, then wearing its hide while performing to the “proper” narrative?
        Progressive left are and always have been all about total government control of all aspects of our lives with themselves in the driver seats. Cannot have that with an armed and aware populace.
        We must be disarmed, drugged, made dependent on them for our daily sustenance for their plans for world domination to reach fruition.
        That the more they succeed in such the more things fall apart and turn to crap is just the breaks of the game, no correlation whatsoever. This time we’ll do real Communism and it will work for sure!

        1. That meme still turns up routinely at Instapundit. It is because the Left imitates the cuckoo’s method of reproduction.

        2. The CDC has added a step to that: feign outrage and claim that people no longer care about the purpose of the institution when they dare to point out that you aren’t actually doing anything to help that purpose. As a bonus, insist that you need more money to do your actual job.

          1. As far as I can trace back, the CDC had never been of any use for anything. I still remember when they were claiming AIDS could only be transmitted by male homosexual contact. And when they were telling people to buy plastic and duct tape for protection against anthrax.

            The CDC is one of those things that superficially looks like a good idea, except they don’t do anything that actually benefits public health. And they seem to have plenty of budget for side projects, like promoting gun control.

            De-fund them and close them down. Along with the FBI, which is now a criminal organization in its own right.

            1. You didn’t go back far enough. In 1965 I was a public health bacteriologist (until the draft board came along) and the CDC had a good working relationship with state labs. Also offered correspondence courses (was signed up for a parasitology course until…). Then mission creep took over–playground safety, smoking, gun control, etc until they creeped right out of competence in what they were initially designed for. Sad but true

        3. Sometimes I pity them.

          Because I see in their methodology the anxious need of an abused child to control absolutely everything in order to finally feel safe. Yes, it’s pathological. And yes, they are spreading the insanity, and the abuse, as far and wide as they can. Throw in the sort of untaught savagery of feral children and the social environment of a twisted schoolyard, and you have the far left.

          I don’t have much hope for the far left. For the rest, though, stuck in that sort of life looks pretty horrible. Freedom isn’t an easy thing to hold on to, and bad things can still happen.

          But a free man can make mistakes, and they aren’t usually the end of his world. You can claw your way back from the depths. You can earn your way out of debt, take menial jobs and work harder and upwards from there. It’s difficult, sure, and you may be competing with every other guy out there.

          But at least you don’t have to live under the whims of petty tyrants all your life. You can take risks. Sometimes succeed. That’s absolutely essential for good mental health, I think.

          And free people tend to have more fun, too. *grin*

          1. There is abundant evidence of significantly higher incidence of child abuse on the Left.

            Other, of course, that that inherent in being of the Left.

          2. Because I see in their methodology the anxious need of an abused child to control absolutely everything in order to finally feel safe. Yes, it’s pathological. And yes, they are spreading the insanity, and the abuse, as far and wide as they can. Throw in the sort of untaught savagery of feral children and the social environment of a twisted schoolyard, and you have the far left.

            Look at what has passed for wisdom about how to raise children for the last few decades. Can we honestly say they weren’t abused?

            The more you look at it the less crazy “everyone has been abused” seems.

        4. That was originally, as far as I know, from a blog post by David Burge, “the Iowahawk.”

  11. One of the things we have to get used to as non-leftists is doing the information (and advertising) campaigns the so called leaders won’t do.

    Like this?

    (Yes, it’s a glorified C4C. Link to the generator at my blog, from like a month back.)

    1. In similar vein, this appeared today at The Federalist:

      Joe Biden Tweets As Motivational Posters
      What’s most amusing about Joe Biden’s staff-crafted Twitter persona is Online Joe’s fondness for posting vapid platitudes. There is a Grand Canyon-sized gap between Biden’s freewheeling conversational style and the polished persona his communication aides project on social media.

      I would love to see Biden, the self-described “gaffe machine” who once referred to a url as a “website number,” actually punch out a tweet on his own. My guess is it would look something like this: …

      [Sample to Follow]

  12. I don’t think I’ve seen a Presidential election where I didn’t hear of at least one instance of someone claiming that one or the other of the candidates wasn’t going to accept the results, or the loser (if the incumbent) was going to “declare martial law” and refuse to step down — as if that were something he could actually do.

    Grocery trip on Friday was a puzzler. Up until now, I was seeing less than 50% wearing masks, and the ones that were wearing them were mostly younger people (20 somethings etc.). Friday’s trip, I started looking for a sign because I didn’t see a single other person without a mask when I walked in. Nope, no sign, and I finally saw a couple other mask-less people. Just people freaking out I guess.

    1. Grocery run Monday afternoon everyone was masked per the signs posted at the front door (the one that they are allowed to use – apparently having two functional self-opening front doors allows the virus to get in). bagger stationed right at the door handing out wipes. Interesting note: Apparently those transparent PPE face shields that all the 3d printer folks were churning out satisfy the mask requirement for store workers. Probably a better sneeze and cough shield than the cloth masks.

      I saw three customers wearing gloves.

      No shortages whatsoever.

    2. I’ve been watching presidential races since 1972 and don’t recall the “won’t accept the results” mongering until Clinton in 2016. There were “concerns” about Billy and about W declaring national emergencies and holding onto the office …

      Maybe it is just the internet; it is unlikely such scares would have won wide circulation in the news prior to its development.

      1. Black dogs are doing booming business these days. 🙁

        I had them piled deep around me yesterday. Their removal was one thing the job interview was very good for. (By phone, and they have no idea when they can actually take anyone new on since they are in eastern PA, but good company and much better pay.) But they are hungry dogs, and I can sense them just outside the door. Waiting patiently.

    3. I can tell who won the WH by listening to hear if those disappointed want to immigrate to Canada or Go Gault.

      Been that way since at least 1992. Probably longer, but that’s when I first noticed.

      1. All those left-wing idiots that pouted and cried they were going to move to Canada if Trump won — WHY DIDN’T THEY? Raised our hopes and then let us down, they did.

        1. I’m still waiting for California to secede instead of having local judges issue nationwide injunctions.

          1. Yes. Canada wouldn’t take them. In some cases, wouldn’t take them back … 🙂 🙂 🙂

  13. Further fuel for the fire, as pointed out by Jim Geraghty* at NRO gangblog The Corner:

    The general election scenario that Democrats are dreading
    “We are about to see the best economic data we’ve seen in the history of this country,” says a top former economic adviser to Obama.
    In early April, Jason Furman, a top economist in the Obama administration and now a professor at Harvard, was speaking via Zoom to a large bipartisan group of top officials from both parties. The economy had just been shut down, unemployment was spiking and some policymakers were predicting an era worse than the Great Depression. The economic carnage seemed likely to doom President Donald Trump’s chances at reelection.

    Furman, tapped to give the opening presentation, looked into his screen of poorly lit boxes of frightened wonks and made a startling claim.

    “We are about to see the best economic data we’ve seen in the history of this country,” he said.

    The former Cabinet secretaries and Federal Reserve chairs in the Zoom boxes were confused, though some of the Republicans may have been newly relieved and some of the Democrats suddenly concerned.

    “Everyone looked puzzled and thought I had misspoken,” Furman said in an interview. Instead of forecasting a prolonged Depression-level economic catastrophe, Furman laid out a detailed case for why the months preceding the November election could offer Trump the chance to brag — truthfully — about the most explosive monthly employment numbers and gross domestic product growth ever.

    Since the Zoom call, Furman has been making the same case to anyone who will listen, especially the close-knit network of Democratic wonks who have traversed the Clinton and Obama administrations together, including top members of the Biden campaign.

    Furman’s counterintuitive pitch has caused some Democrats, especially Obama alumni, around Washington to panic. “This is my big worry,” said a former Obama White House official who is still close to the former president. Asked about the level of concern among top party officials, he said, “It’s high — high, high, high, high.”

    And top policy officials on the Biden campaign are preparing for a fall economic debate that might look very different than the one predicted at the start of the pandemic in March. “They are very much aware of this,” said an informal adviser.

    Furman’s case begins with the premise that the 2020 pandemic-triggered economic collapse is categorically different than the Great Depression or the Great Recession, which both had slow, grinding recoveries.


    *For those interested in Geraghty’s commentary on this, see: nationalreview [DOT] com/corner/apparently-democrats-really-are-worried-about-an-economic-rebound/
    (Link neutralized to avoid WP purgatory)

    1. Okay – one salient point from Geraghty:
      “If the opposition party’s argument against an incumbent president is strong and compelling and aligned with the values of the electorate, the economic conditions in the fall shouldn’t matter that much. Democrats believed they had a virtual encyclopedia of arguments against the president before the coronavirus hit. An economic rebound shouldn’t derail their argument against the president; if it does, maybe those arguments weren’t as strong as Democrats thought.”

    2. Are Democrats actually saying that they’re terrified there WON’T be a depression, because the country surviving would be good for Trump? I know they want to destroy the nation in order to drag Trump down in the wreckage, but now they ADMIT it?

      Time was, that would be enough to set off a run on torches and pitchforks. What has become of good ol’ American gumption?

        1. They succeeded in burying the 1992 recovery loong enough for Clinton to get elected and claim credit for it.

          They succeeded in giving Clinton credit for the late ’90s bull market that started its rise the day after the Gingrich Revolution took control of the Congress.

          They cannot believe they cannot repeat.

          1. They succeeded in blaming the 2007 real estate crash on The Shrub (Bush Jr.) even though it was Clinton’s ‘Community Reinvestment Act’ that caused it. Well, along with greed, but that’s pretty much a constant. Oh, and stupidity, but that’s a constant too. So, Clinton, greed and stupidity were a deadly combination.

        1. They shed the worst of the NeverTrumpers when Jonah Goldberg and David French joined with former Weakly Substandard editor Steven Hayes to form The Dispatch. NRO kept Victor Davis Hanson and Andy McCarthy, stopped carrying Goldberg’s and Mona Charen’s syndicated columns and has otherwise reconciled themselves to accepting Trump’s policies and judicial nominees.

          The Dems, with their Russian Collusion scam and Kavanaugh tantrum made such acceptance much easier. The fact that NRO editor Charlie Cooke is an ex-Brit and recognises the importance of the Second Amendment doesn’t hurt.

          Even the remaining NTs are more in sorrow than in anger. Having long since reconciled myself to being in some degree of disagreement with others in a world in which few are so wise, temperate, patient, indulgent or thoughtful as me, a few differences of opinion are something to which I am accustomed.

          1. I was after agreeing with you until you said, “temperate”. Who ever heard of a temperate Irishman? *grin*

              1. The family thinks there’s French blood in there along with the Gael – Not sure if it’s the Normans or Hugenots… Whichever it is – We’ve been Irish long enough to be Republicans to the bone … At least until we came to America…. 😦

  14. Trump calling the coronavirus the New Democrat hoax:

    0.26% of all Americans is 852 000, but that’s nothing to you? :))

    When it will infect 40-80% population infected you’re pretty much guaranteed to personally know people who have died of it, if you’re among the survivors:

    I’m not American but don’t think there has been a war that has taken so many American lives…

    You have truly drank the koolaid , you Republicans are truly deplorable when you can deny things trump says and there’s easy proof of it… go out as much as possible 🙂 let evolution do its work. It’s only God’s work 😉

    1. Yes, there was a manipulated virus to make it sound like that.
      It’s not 0.26% of Americans you florid case of mental damage. It’s 0.26% OF THE INFECTED. Which as we know now from several tests seems to top out at about 17% of the population.
      As for it infecting 80% and the modeling, you RALLY are a florid idiot. NO MODELING has been correct all through this. But go on bang your little drum.
      I’m very glad you’re NOT American, because we have enough idiots.
      Are you for fucking real on now war taking as many American lives? It’s possible you could use a search engine and look it up, you florid, blatant idiot.Also, you florid moron, you might want to shut up about a president who is not yours and a form of government you don’t understand. We do not comment on what tyranny your backward people put up with. Unless of course you put up with Winnie the Xi, in which case, my condolences.
      I leave the continuation of your education to my commenters, who sometimes have more patience to beat the idiot until some wisdom emerges.
      I suspect they’ll beat seven kind of shit out of you, and since I’ve only ever seen five kinds of shit before, I’m curious.
      Carry on.

      1. Are you sure that’s not just a drive-by troll? The willful stupidity, the egregious grammatical errors, the inclusion of Yet Another Link to many-times-debunked models from Ferguson at Columbia…hell, it’s not even a new link; it’s two months old!

        No, I suspect any clue-bats aimed in that direction would hit nothing, or at most some old clothes stuffed with straw. Can’t beat even one kind of shit out of that.
        “It’s only a model.”

    2. Deplorable epitomizes why progressives are so open border and eager to have illegal aliens vote.

    3. I’m not American but don’t think there has been a war that has taken so many American lives…

      As percentage of population? Several wars and at least one pandemic. Durig the War of Southern Secession the nation’s population was 31.4 million and nearly 500,000 died in the war, for a percentage of about 1.5.

      It might be noted that the fatality rate is not uniformly distributable across the entire population. Thus far the primary victims are those with compromised immune systems, with over eighty percent of deceased being inhabitants of eldercare facilities — which ought to have been quarantined from carriers at the first sign of the pandemic. That the fatality rate including such immuno-compromised persons is only 0.26% indicates the probability of a much lower rate among the healthy members of the populace.

      The efforts to lock-down the nation bid fair to kill far more than the COVID-19 virus, but you are apparently too tunnel-visioned to grasp that.

    4. We all died of AIDS years ago, because we didn’t napalm San Francisco at the first sign of problems.

      No one here but us ghosts in the machine.

        1. For all that most here know me in person, I really could be a shell script or something from some nonsensical timeline where that actually happened.

          I don’t watch TV, read newspapers, listen to the radio, talk with the homeless, visit bars, look at chicken guts, or throw objects in a circle, so I’m getting most of my information through the internet, and maybe a wire somehow got crossed between the dimensions.

          That’s as plausible as supposing that deplorable koolaid has any real clue of the situation in the US. If koolaid is being honest about not being in the US, this is most definitely too hot an information war zone to know what the reality is. I know basically nothing about Japanese, UK, and Brazilian politics. I know enough to calculate that there is no possible benefit for me in learning one of those barbarian tongues to go rave at foreigners about their politics on 2chan or the Financial Times comments. If I was any good at figuring out those places, I would be making money by doing so, and have better things to do than ‘cold call’ internet commentators who can easily work out when I am full of shit.

          1. I don’t read no papers …

            I know the world’s been shaved by a drunken barber and I don’t have to read it.

      1. Wait, you mean “The Rock” wasn’t a documentary?!


      1. I think Ino is being a little more respectful than the worthy gentleman from overseas deserves. 😀

    5. Okay. So you’ve got some assumptions there… which do not fit the facts. Sarah has mentioned a few.

      To add. How many people, *regardless of symptoms* are being tested, as a percentage of the total human population? How accurate are the tests? These questions are abso-effing-lutely *key.*

      If you check 100% of your population (whcih, for various reasons, *won’t* happen), and of that 100%, a whopping 10% end up in a hospital, and 2% die. 2% mortality rate. That’s big stuff, there.

      What if, instead, 20% actually have the disease, but are asymptomatic? Or merely think it’s a cold, or a flu, or mad miso soup, and never go to the hospital, never get tested, and end up fine? What if the majority of your fatalities fall into specific categories, i.e., at risk population is the elderly and those with compromised immune systems?

      That 2% is now 1%. Big step there.

      See Lawdog for a more complete breakdown:

      The info you are getting is bad. Doubt your sources more. Do your own homework and verify things before you post nonsense. Use more diverse sources and, when possible, test things out yourself. Use logic. How *likely* is it that 100% of any reasonably large country gets *anything at all* but dead at some point in the future?

      *Nobody* has the full picture on the coronoavirus, and no one will for obvious reasons. But. You *can* draw reasonably accurate conclusions by sifting for facts amidst the detritus.

      1. Do your own homework and verify things before you post nonsense.

        That sounds like work. how deplorable! Why, do you realize what a mess this world would be in if everybody did their own thinking? What if some people don’t think correctly?

        1. Free. *grin*

          To succeed, one risks failure. To learn, one begins with ignorance. And even the wisest of us make mistakes. Better off, each man decides for himself- his mistakes are his own, and not ten thousand others, no?

          And hasn’t this latest excursion into absolute control most exquistely shown what a… poor idea that is?

        1. I have never lost an argument to a bag of hammers. I might have lost one to bag of hammers, gravity, and the coefficient of friction, but by then I was outnumbered.

  15. I think I ran into peak stupidity today…

    I ran into a bunch of kids who had obviously been swimming in the local river. Now, this is probably better than them swimming in an open sewer, but I’m not a germophobe, and I wouldn’t want to get anywhere near this particular water. However, given that there’s no place else for them to swim, I have a hard time blaming them. No, the stupid part came in the parking lot next to the river, where Mom carefully put each and every one of them in their face masks before loading them into the car for the ride home.

    1. Possibly the masking was done to avoid hassle from Karens (and police) during the drive.

  16. From what I understand the only good the face mask does for most people is to protect them from an infected person IF THAT INFECTED PERSON WEARS IT. Since no one can know if they have COVID without testing, and many if not most will be asymptomatic, this is an exercise in futility -except for health care workers who see potentially infected people all day in close quarters. Like my Wife. Today is her turn in the ‘Rotation’ Like the cylinder of a revolver used for Russian Poker. She spends the day in PPE gear standing in the doorway of her clinic yelling STOP! -No just kidding there. she is a Nurse Practitioner and has to evaluate every person entering the clinic to see if they are potentially infected- she does actually stand inside the door along with a nurse. Aside from those with obvious symptoms she also draws blood from people who think they might have been exposed. Most of the time they haven’t, but they are terrified out of their wits by the media. The test, despite what you may have heard, is not immediate and the samples are picked up at the end of the day for testing. The results take days. Meanwhile, both the possible case and the health provider get to wonder if today the cylinder is going to land on a round.
    What worries her the most is that she would bring the virus home and infect me. Both of us are no longer chickens of the spring, but perhaps autumn fowl getting a taste of winter. In my case i can check three of the four boxes for comorbidities. Good times.
    Getting back to the average people who are wearing masks in odd or absurd circumstances; This is fear. I see people all the time driving down the street wearing a mask. Senseless, yes; but when has fear ever been rational? When you see videos or hear stories about people ganging up on a maskless person just remember this is fear. Humans react in a very old and primitive way when they are threatened. Smear the Queer was a child’s game was it not? But it taught the lesson that the outsider was to be banished, punished or killed to save the clan. Fear. No one is immune. Not you, not me.

    Sorry if this is a bit rambly.

    1. Sorry if this is a bit rambly.

      Oh, hey, no problem.

      I skimmed through most of it.

      1. Lol. That’s what we all do isn’t it? My fav four letters nowadays are TL;DR

        1. One tip: insert a blank line with every paragraph break. For some reason the human eye finds reading easier when not faced by a wall o’text.

          It makes editing out typos somewhat easier as well.

        2. I do loathe that abbreviation.

          ….bloody millenials and their shite attention….

  17. DK, or is it DPRK, I haven’t seen that much crap in one place since I last had our septic tank pumped out.
    Yes, the WuFlu PANIC was and is a Demonrat hoax, the flu is real, but the panic is faked. PigLousy had to know from her Chinese financiers that it was coming, and when, as she delayed the filing of the so-called “impeachment” for a month while was exporting the virus on international flights from Wuhan for weeks after shutting Wuhan city itself down. intentionally spread the disease to avoid being the only one to lose their economy to the combination of sanctions, trade realities (building empty cities with borrowed money creates no wealth), and their virus. and their co-conspirators here, the Demonrats and the MSM, worked closely on the message that only a complete societal shutdown could slow the wave of death that this virus would bring. BULLSHIT.
    Your heroes exacerbated fear of an unknown virus using the same flawed models, from the same flawed modellers, that have given us the Climate Change Hoax.
    N.B. Climate changes. Always has, always will. America has greatly reduced pollution since the 1960s.
    Other countries like China and India, not so much, if at all.
    Only the economic destruction of America could prevent Trumps’ re-election. So, Americas’ economy had to go to the wall, nevermind how many of the proles have to die along with it, your elite totalitarians think that they will be protected from consequences. NOT.
    Trump trolled the Demonrat governors into letting their inner Stalin out to play, and the world is noticing that Florida, Texas, Georgia and other states are opening, and their economies recovering, while California, Illinois, and Michigan are recruiting for their domestic STASI corps, and sending police to raid churches in Chicago, where nearly as many black folk were shot that weekend as were in the church they tried to raid (and failed, the doors were locked, and police demands that they open were ignored).
    I expect that you are too obdurate for my writing to enlighten you, and I usually do not give this much attention to such a miserable troll as yourself, but I am sitting in the late afternoon Florida sunshine, watching the sunset over the bay with a Dark and Stormy by my side, pitying you for the twisted world you obviously live in.

    1. The Climate (registered copyright) has been changing out in the open ever since this planet has had an atmosphere. You just gotta go with the flow.

    1. Mine got an OS upgrade. I lost a conversation thread (text) I thought I’d cached. I shudder to think what else i”m going to have to unfix and deupdate.

  18. Off topic. Our 5 year old cat who has Acute Renal Failure is not going to make it. Another emergency vet visit today due to an infection caused by canker sores in his mouth. Blood test shows no improvement. Brought him home for final cuddles, to say good-bye over the next few days. Even tho we can’t go in for check ups or emergency visits, they will let us be with him during the procedure as usual … Our vet said that was one line too far. They will do what is needed to let us be with him …

      1. Thank you. He’s been a good cat. I’ll miss him trying to share my pillow each night. He has to has his nose in my hair & kneed.

    1. My sympathies. I’ve outlived as many cats as my heart can stand and know the loss it means.

      1. Not our first loss. Won’t be our last. It is so much harder to lose them when they should be young and healthy. Not our first time either. But like him, the other too was a young stray, who knows what his background was. Guess he has to just join the other 10 cats & officially two dogs, unofficially another 3 dogs, to herd the too young kittens, to raise into our path. Tho I wish he would wait a few more years.

    2. That sucks. I’m sorry to hear that. They leave large holes, don’t they. 😪

      Our vet is the same. Exams and regular vet stuff, they come get your critter and you wait in the parking lot, but for that visit, they let us in.

      I think late May is going into my “Don’t Like” calendar. We lost our other full family member cat to cancer the Tuesday after Memorial Day back in ’96.

      1. When this all first started, not being able to be with him was a huge fear, even as I was praying for something that I knew, in my gut, I was hoping against hope. Thankfully when I asked today, the vet and staff were firm. He deserved as many of his family as could be there; our son probably will be at work.

        1. I understand. If they hadn’t let us be with Alice, I would have called the vets in RI to see if they had a different policy, and if they hadn’t, I think we would have just kept her comfortable at home. She didnt seem to be in much distress, but was failing fast, and I think letting nature take its course would have been far less unkind than handing her over to strangers.

          1. We were hoping Euclid would gently fail, but now he’s crying day and night/ 😦 We might have to see if the vet lets us in. (I assumed they wouldn’t.)

            1. See if he’ll step out into the parking lot to do it. It should be a small-enouch concession on their part…

            2. We might have to see if the vet lets us in. (I assumed they wouldn’t.)

              I was braced for a “No. Can’t.” But if I didn’t ask the answer was an automatic no.

        1. I’ve said that before.

          And then we end up with a new one finding us. Sometimes it feels more like the holes they leave aren’t so much missing pieces as cracks which just make it easier for the next one to slide in.

          1. And then we end up with a new one finding us. Sometimes it feels more like the holes they leave aren’t so much missing pieces as cracks which just make it easier for the next one to slide in.

            We won’t go looking … but they find us anyway. We won’t turn them away.

      1. Chronic Renal Failure they can live with for a few years. Acute Renal Failure, your hope is it’ll get enough better to count as Chronic. That isn’t happening. No matter how much loving we give him. He finally took in some water, but he has not eaten today.

    3. My cranky old tabby lady said goodbye two weeks ago. She was diagnosed with renal failure last year, which was exacerbated by dental problems. Without the dental issues I’m sure she would have hung on much longer, but vet & I talked about quality of life & decided that it was time (she’d never been a heavy cat, and had lost 2# in a year).

      Thankfully, I was allowed in the exam room to say goodbye & do last cuddles. I did have the last year to prepare myself, so I knew this was coming. After all the years of grouching that she had to sleep on *my* pillow, I find myself looking for her.

      Probably in another month or so I’ll be heading to the local shelter to pick out another kitty.

      1. I’m sorry. it is so hard. Hope you can find that special new kitten or cat.

        I wish we had a year. We’ve had less than a month. Now we have hours … We could wait a few more days, but he is starving himself to death, even as he eats. None of this is fair. He is a good loving cat.

        I know life isn’t fair. Not to him, not to us. … Doesn’t make it easier.

  19. I find myself wondering more and more how close we are to someone(s) moving from, “You’re all going to die in the next wave and you deserve it because You Aren’t Listening To Me!” To, “You’re all going to die in the next wave and I’ll make sure of it!” Whether from rage that the world is not behaving the way the Experts said it would or pure, ideological rage.

    Not to mention that the latest fear-mongering about a rat population explosion, if true, could offer conditions for a REAL plague. God forbid.

    1. Yes. Plague is endemic in the wildlife in the west & southwest … rats could carry it into the homeless populations in the problem cities … do not want to think about it.

      1. A grad student friend of mine at Trinity had been taking Europe 1000-1500 with the head of the department in ’74-’75 when there was on outbreak of some mystery disease in CA. Based solely on what was hitting the Irish papers, the Ot had told her class that “It’s the plague.” Several days later the medical community breathlessly announced “It’s the plague!”.

        If we’ve shut down in total hysteria over something not much worse than the flu, I hate to think how they’ll react to yersinia pestis. The mortality stats I remember from college were, untreated, 60% for bubonic, 95% for pneumonic, and 99.9% for septicemic. Modern medicine made the first two pretty curable, but I’ve seen something lately suggesting that it’s becoming antibiotic resistant…..

        1. My understanding is that in places where is is relatively common (like Madagascar, which had a major plague outbreak 3[?2?] years ago), it has become somewhat resistant. In most of the US? No, not yet.

            1. Back in 60s two airmen from Canon AFB in N. Mex were rabbit hunting and tossed their catch in the car. Fleas left the cooling rabbits hopped on the airmen. Both caught plague, think one or both died. Plague common in ground squirrels there.

            2. Plague is endemic in the wildlife in the west & southwest

              our fricken squirrels all have it.

              Yes. Plains approaching the Rockies & West/SW, it is more chipmunks, squirrels, and other non-mouse/rats, than rats that are the plague carrier’s. Heck it is found in the dirt/dust in some places. I was thinking more of the rat problem that SF seems to be having with their homeless populations. Also would have stated the plague endemic in wildlife problem was “west” as in west of the Mississippi, but not sure if that is true for that far east. Definitely true for the Rocky mountain states and anything further west. You do NOT approach a squirrel or chipmunk laying dead on a trail with the intent of touching it. Walk around. Use a very long stick to move it off the trail. Throw away the sick. Step as far over the spot as possible. If you can’t walk around.

              Don’t remember the name of the book. But that was the trigger to start worldwide plague pandemic & problems resulting. Family finding dead chipmunks along hiking trail from unknown causes, one at a time. Then traveling home, unknowingly infecting everyone along the way, who in turn infected everyone they met. Not believable in that most common forms of plague aren’t that infectious. But, book made it like one person infected had unknown medical conditions to cause the plague to mutate into the more infectious type. Possible, just not probable. Wasn’t the point of the book. Point was how fast contagions spread in modern travel environs & what happens if a dangerous one naturally is triggered. Then the societal fallout from that. At the time read, a lot of criticism from MSM types on how unrealistic that was. The ones that wrote those reviews should be made to go and retract them, with apologies.

              1. If there were a mutation, yeah….
                And mutations DO occur naturally.
                The wildlife clean up people refused to pick up dead squirrels in Manitou Springs, even when it was obvious they died because they thought the transformer box was the ideal place to make baby squirrels. (I guess they went out with a bang….) And we’d had the power outage to show for it…

      2. In NY the rats are starting to eat each other. Mostly they’re eating rat pups. Still, it is reducing the population.

  20. I’m a conservative from UK and I could never support what Trump is doing if he were English. I’ve read your books and blog and I’m disappointed to see how you cannot bring yourself to see he damage he is doing to your country.

    Trump has called the virus the “New Democrat hoax”, google it and you’ll find the video.

    What he has also done, apart from calling the virus a hoax:
    Bragging his virus briefings have the biggest ratings on TV!

    What Trump hasn’t done:

    No expressions of sympathy,

    No phone calls to bereaved families,

    No visits to hospitals,

    No ordering flags to be flown at half-mast to honour the health workers and first responders who have died,

    No strategy of going forward, no test, track and trace, to safely open the economy (which has to open) and save as many lives as possible.

    Without this the virus will easily run through the population until herd immunity is acquired (60-80% of population needs to be infected).

    The mortality rate is higher for older people or those with preexisting illnesses but taking your rate of 0.26% as an overall estimation:
    0.26% * 328 million * 60% = 0.51 million at a minimum

    Half a million dead with no safeguarding measures.. 100k already dead, 400k living their last weeks/months/year

    Would you call me an idiot too?

    Will you approve this comment or choose to keep the wool over the people’s eyes? Yours included…

    1. A) repeating the hoax that Trump called it an hoax doesn’t make it so.
      B) Like hell you’re a conservative, and also conservative in the UK and American conservative are not the same thing.
      And yes, I would call you a complete and thorough idiot. You are buying the fucking models?

    2. Trump has called the virus the “New Democrat hoax”, google it and you’ll find the video.

      Act like you at least saw a commercial about a movie that was influenced by 1984 and you can look for context, and discover you’ve been handed a load of unaged fertilizer.

      *loooooong list of mostly mis-informed or virtue signaling trash, then*

      Would you call me an idiot too?

      It seems kinda redundant, when you go and demonstrate it so hard like that…..

    3. Given that that 0.29% is of infected, and based on other countries further along than we are, as well as the Diamond Princess and the Roosevelt, it would seem that at most 20% of the population ever gets it at all. And that would bring the total mortality down to pretty much what we’ve already seen in this country, far less than the 500K you are positing, never mind the apocalypse porn from the Imperial College.

      Do try to keep up with the realscience. It changes as new data is developed, and it doesn’t find a consensus and stick with it no matter the new evidence.

    4. You seem to be badly misinformed.

      You assume Trump has made no expressions of sympathy or calls on bereaved families — the FACT is that you know of no such, which could be due to media not reporting it, could be because Trump deems such things of value ONLY when done privately, not for public display.

      He has visited hospitals, he has ordered flags to be flown at half-mast, he has promoted strategies for testing (track and trace is a waste of time in venues such as NY City where a person can easily come into contact with hundreds of people simply going to and from work, each of those hundreds similarly contacting hundreds the same day … of course, you already live in a heavily surveiled state, don’t you?)

      Your stats on herd immunity are wrong — they do not necessarily apply to the COVID-19 virus but are generic herd immunity estimates. Utterly useless. The FACT is that we don’t know how many people have had the virus and recovered, meaning herd immunity may have already largely been achieved.

      Higher mortality for elderly and immune-compromised people is one reason our Democrat governors are being slammed for demanding elder-care facilities accept COVID-positive patients and staff. It seems a bit presumptuous to blame those deaths on President Trump.

      You’ve jumped to a conclusion on the “400k living their last weeks/months/year” … although in a nation the size of the USA that is probably true, as in 2017 the USA had 647,457 people (23.5% of total deaths that year) died of heart disease alone. So it seems reasonable to believe over two million people are living their last weeks/months/year.

      Yep, you come across as an idiot, too credulous to be permitted to read news much less write about it.

      I think that approving the comment does more to expose the wool over your eyes, boyo.

      1. One postscript:

        I despise having telephone calls intrude on my activities, even if the caller is someone whose company I enjoy. The idea of having my mourning interrupted by some politician wanting to express “condolences” is offensive beyond words care to type.

        Telephones may be a necessary evil but they are nonetheless evil. If Publishers’ Clearing House calls it had better be for the grand prize, otherwise just send me the damned check.

    5. Good thing he isn’t a Saxon then, or you might have to find your backbone.

  21. Fun question/troll, one each.

    Does the President have the authority to require regular pee tests from Governors during states of emergency?

    Because with some of these fellows, history of drug abuse would be illuminating.

    1. Unfortunately, no.

      Though I wish there were some way to compel both the Congress and Senate, and every political appointee, and every judge and court official to take regular drug tests.

      Since the Federal courts decided it was entirely reasonable for the Fed or employers to compel employees to do so without summary dismissal, that looks like an ambdextrous jackboot to me.

      Rules for us, not for them, right.

      1. The Representative Drug Testing Act (hmmmm … gotta come up with a better acronym … Politician Integrity Screening & Sampling Act?) could be passed (heh) in the House and Senate as requirements for membership i those bodies. I believe they are permitted to regulate themselves. Passing would not be required but failures would be publicly reported.

        Of course, they’ve probably got such high blood alcohol content that drugs might not show up.

        1. Sorry – I got distracted in the midst of writing that; the critical point is that simply forcing a vote on the record on such a bill ought offer opportunities aplenty for entertainment.

    2. Gov’t (thugs) have very carefully exempted themselves from such testing.
      Which only make me wish even MORE for “If you won’t do it, I do NOT need to do it” ruling.
      I am NOT holding my breath.
      Ox slow. Not fscking idiot.

  22. Good news! The founder of the Knights of Columbus, Ven. Fr. Michael McGivney, had a miracle approved and will be getting beatified soon. (As always, it’s a pain to find out miracle details early on, but apparently it involved a baby in utero with some bad condition being miraculously healed.)

    Bl. Charles de Foucauld, the ex-military hermit scholar and martyr, also had a miracle approved and will be canonized. Nothing I can find about that one.

    Ven. Pauline Marie de Jaricot also had a miracle approved, also no info. (Come on, French sites!) She’s an interesting lady. Daughter of a silk factory owner at the tail end of Napoleonic times decided to get serious with her life and religion, and started helping troubled young women to get off the street and get well-paid jobs at the factory, while doing small works of reparation to the Sacred Heart for the sins of everybody in the world. (The Reparatrices were always described in more censored works as “pious servant girls.” And this is how you lose a lot of flavor.) She encouraged other small pious works, but it all blew up big when she decided it would be nice to get people to give a penny a week to help the missions (she had a brother who was a missions priest in Quang Nam, Vietnam), and it turned into the massive Society for the Propagation of the Faith. (She also founded the Living Rosary Association, where you get 14 other friends and each commit to pray just a decade of the Rosary every day.)

    The more censored stories about her also didn’t mention her struggle against her temper, which she combatted by stuffing “whatever came to hand” into her mouth, to block physically her urge to tell people what she thought of them.

    1. Another interesting thing about Jaricot is that when she was young, she had a vision of two oil lamps. One was Europe, and it was almost empty, and the other was Africa and Asia, and it was full. So when Europe’s light of Christianity faltered, it was refilled by the lamp of the formerly pagan countries.

      And we do see this happening, as newly Catholic and Christian communities in Africa are sending priests and ministers all over the world, as well as taking care of their own.

      1. The Archdiocese of Lyon, Pauline’s home diocese, has all the miracle details. Pretty harrowing.

        This little girl Mayline choked on a piece of sausage, and she died in the arms of her dad, an EMT. He did CPR and revived her, and the other EMTs had to keep bringing her back on the way to the hospital and she kept dying, and nobody could get the sausage out. And then all kinds of fun stuff happened in the hospital, like a pulmonary embolism and some heart attacks, and when they finally got her stabilized they thought she’d be a vegetable for life.

        So the head of the Living Rosary association heard about it and mobilized everybody to ask for Ven. Pauline’s intercession, and Mayline got back to normal.

  23. Here’s a treat for all you American DemocRat lurkers who surf this site looking for juicy scandal (looking at you glyer, and camel). Y’all luuuurve some socialized medicine, right? Got a big woodie for that single-payer goodness, right?

    The link is to the official MILITARY report that was generated after soldiers got sent to -government- elder care homes because the staff was not keeping up due to Corona Chan.

    I won’t spoil the surprise about what those eeevile baby-killer red neck soldiers found. I will say that what they found caused them to start bucking the problem up the chain of command, and the Big Boyz found it necessary to generate an official report to the Prime Minister’s Office (PMO). That is not something that generally happens. The Army does not go bitching to the boss because things are tough.

    But then the PMO ignored them. Like, completely. So they did something I’ve never seen them do in my lifetime. They went straight to the press. And now y’all can read the results of the socialized medicine in Canada.

    I’m starting to think the Chicoms may have accidentally done us a favor by spreading this bug world-wide.

  24. I don’t care about any models.

    Herd immunity is not about models, it’s a fact: if enough people have antibodies the virus stops spreading to the rest of the population, they act like a shield, 60% minimum needed, realistically 80% needed. That’s why when vaccinations (for any disease) drop below a certain % the disease reappears, see measles in the Jewish community NY.

    Let’s say though only 20% of the population get the disease (though the people on that cruise ship 1. Isolated when it became known 2. Were eventually rescued from the ship – so no the virus was not allowed to spread unchecked so your conclusion is not valid ) that’s

    20% * 328 * 0.26% = 0.17 million

    How. When 0.10million are already dead. Do you think it will stop at 0.17? Good luck with that

    You all demonstrate a lack of basic math skills and basic thinking..but I’m still not calling you names.. I don’t mind if you do, your ego has to compensate somehow. I don’t want more people to die so hope you wake up.

    “From 5 February, passengers on the ship were confined to their cabins for two weeks or more.

    He and Kenji Mizumoto, an epidemiologist at Kyoto University in Japan, report in Infectious Disease Modelling3 that the day the quarantine was introduced, one person could go on to infect more than 7 others. The infection rate was probably quite high because people were living in close quarters and touching surfaces contaminated with the virus, says Chowell.

    But after people were confined to their rooms, the average number of others to whom one infected person passed the virus dropped below one. This suggests that the quarantine averted a lot of infections, says Chowell. However, it wasn’t perfect: passengers could still infect their room-mates and crew members, he says.”

    1. Are you insane?
      No, it didn’t avert a lot of infections. It just delayed them.
      Also herd immunity is a fact. Most of the dead are over 75.
      The point of stopping young people from acquiring herd immunity is what?
      Also you’re playing with stupid numbers that don’t mean what you think they mean.
      I’ll let the commenters educate you.
      BTW, you’ve read me a pig’s eye, you malinformed, propaganda spewing vichy troll.

    2. Let’s say though only 20% of the population get the disease (though the people on that cruise ship 1. Isolated when it became known 2. Were eventually rescued from the ship – so no the virus was not allowed to spread unchecked so your conclusion is not valid )

      Your memory of the situation seems to be a bit off.

      Coughing/symptoms were known on the 23rd of January.
      The confirmation that it’s the kung flu was on the 1st of Feb.
      The request that people stay in their quarters wasn’t until the 5th of Feb.

      And in spite of being a really high risk population in a very high risk situation, they did NOT hit 20% infection.

      Additionally, the assumption at the time was that nobody had time to have been infected and fully recover, since the disease was only recognized at the very end of the year.

      We now know it was in France at least half a month earlier.

    3. I notice Chrisssssss has executed the typical hit’n’run style of posting employed by the ill-informed, but expect this information will be amusing and potentially useful to others:

      COVID-19: in the footsteps of Ernest Shackleton

      We describe what we believe is the first instance of complete COVID-19 testing of all passengers and crew on an isolated cruise ship during the current COVID-19 pandemic. Of the 217 passengers and crew on board, 128 tested positive for COVID-19 on reverse transcription–PCR (59%). Of the COVID-19-positive patients, 19% (24) were symptomatic; 6.2% (8) required medical evacuation; 3.1% (4) were intubated and ventilated; and the mortality was 0.8% (1). The majority of COVID-19-positive patients were asymptomatic (81%, 104 patients). We conclude that the prevalence of COVID-19 on affected cruise ships is likely to be significantly underestimated, and strategies are needed to assess and monitor all passengers to prevent community transmission after disembarkation.

      This article is made freely available for use in accordance with BMJ’s website terms and conditions for the duration of the covid-19 pandemic or until otherwise determined by BMJ. You may use, download and print the article for any lawful, non-commercial purpose (including text and data mining) provided that all copyright notices and trade marks are retained.


      We describe what we believe is the first instance of complete COVID-19 testing of all passengers and crew on an isolated cruise ship during the current COVID-19 pandemic. The expedition cruise ship departed from Ushuaia, Argentina, for a planned 21-day cruise of the Antarctic Peninsula, including Elephant Island, before sailing to South Georgia Island on a route similar to that taken by the British explorer, Ernest Shackleton, in 1915–1917. The ship departed mid-March 2020, after the global COVID-19 pandemic was declared by the WHO, with all 128 passengers and 95 crew screened for COVID-19 symptoms, and body temperatures were taken before boarding. No passengers or crew that had transited through China, Macau, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea or Iran in the previous 3 weeks were permitted to board, given that these countries were where COVID-19 infection was most prevalent at the time. Multiple hand hygiene stations were positioned throughout the ship and especially in the dining area.


      From the departure date in mid-March 2020 and for the next 28 days, the expedition cruise ship had no outside human contact and was thus a totally isolated environment in this sense.

      With gratitude to the Uruguayan Government and Ministry of Health, they were able to provide a sanitary corridor for the repatriation of 112 Australian and New Zealand passengers on day 28 and for all other passengers on day 32. These included both COVID-19-positive and COVID-19-negative passengers.

      We conclude from this observational study that

      1. The prevalence of COVID-19 on affected cruise ships is likely to be significantly underestimated, and strategies are needed to assess and monitor all passengers to prevent community transmission after disembarkation.1

      2. Rapid Ab COVID-19 testing of patients in the acute phase is unreliable.2

      3. The majority of COVID-19-positive patients were asymptomatic (81%).

      4. The presence of discordant COVID-19 results in numerous cabins suggests that there may be a significant false-negative rate with RT-PCR testing. Follow-up testing is being performed to determine this.

      5. The timing of symptoms in some passengers (day 24) suggests that there may have been cross contamination after cabin isolation.

  25. A) repeating the hoax that Trump called it an hoax doesn’t make it so.
    B) Like hell you’re a conservative, and also conservative in the UK and American conservative are not the same thing.

    I am not repeating it, I’ve send you a video that you can watch with your own eyes, and yes, the context matters, he talks about the coronavirus and says it’s the “democrats new hoax”.

    In any case you have no answer to the fact that he has no strategy to prevent or at least minimise the number of dead and that he offers no compassion, he’s all about the ratings and the stock market! Who cares about ratings when those ratings are such because people die? While people die?

    Raving day and night on Twitter with no words of sympathy, no acknowledgement that more people die every day, golfing (!) …

    He could fake words of sympathy and he isn’t (!) If this doesn’t tell you everything you need to know about the man I don’t know what would. Perhaps 1 million dead…

    You can do better than Trump, and yes, your ego is invested so much in this it will probably need many more people to die before you can break away.

    1. Okay, Foxfier ALREADY pointed you to the fact that you ate the hoax hook line and sinker. Hint, our news services are now mostly fiction.
      Since you insist on ONLY answering me, I know you’re a troll. It’s typical behavior.
      Two YOU DO REALIZE TRUMP DIDN’T LOCK THE FUCKING COUNTRY DOWN, RIGHT? If not, you just disqualified yourself from discussing anything taking place in the US ever.

    2. “Compassion.”

      Cue the Inigo Montoya.

      “In the absence of faith, we govern by tenderness. And tenderness leads to the gas chamber.”

      One of the things that I LIKE about Trump is that he doesn’t virtue signal for y’all. You rude boogers go nuts about it, too.

    3. Dude, when you’re so far out that even Factcheck has to admit that a claim “lacks context,” you’re off your rocker.

      The context that they directly link:
      . Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that right? Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, “How’s President Trump doing?” They go, “Oh, not good, not good.”

      And…gosh, look. Hysterical over-reaction, nation wide, and it sure looks like New York has killed a lot of people because they were so busy LARPing that they utterly lost their minds.

      But you, of the forcibly stop people from making a living, and stop people from getting medical care, and lock people up so that they are eaten alive by the black dog– you’re just so compassionate.

    4. I am not repeating it, I’ve send you a video that you can watch with your own eyes, and yes, the context matters, he talks about the coronavirus and says it’s the “democrats new hoax”.

      Taken out of context. The ONLY part of our president’s version of “democrats new hoax” is that they are screaming he Didn’t take the CV19 pandemic seriously. He was talking about the repercussions while she-who-would-be-queen Pelosi was tearing up his State of the Union speech and rolling her eyes. While the democrats, liberals, and the rest of the MSN were screaming RAAAAAAIIIISSSSTTTTT because he shutdown travel from China and then Italy. That he is responsible for shutting down the country. He’s not. As president of the United States, our President Trump does not have that authority. Nor does he have the authority to force them to open up state economies. With very few limitations the United States works at the STATE level, not the Federal.

      Won’t deny he sometimes wishes or talks like he should; he’s a business person who has always had final authority. But he pulls back knowing he doesn’t. The best he has the authority to do is set the DOJ for constitutional violations, removing Federal Regulations that get in the way of states getting things done. In this it is not what he is saying or not saying, it is what he is doing.

      Is he the best President available for the United States? Probably not. But sure not seeing anyone stepping up that would be any better, and ALL of them who have stepped up are a whole lot worse. Is he the president we needed … I’m going with a “Hell YES”.

      But then if you are a socialist, you sure are not going to agree with these assertions. If you aren’t a citizen of the US who takes their liberties and personal responsibilities seriously, you will not agree. You don’t have the framework to agree.

    5. he has no strategy to prevent or at least minimise the number of dead and that he offers no compassion,

      Your denial of Trump’s strategy is not evidence of lack of strategy. Did you miss his mobilization of American industry to produce tests, provide testing, manufacture protective masks and ventilators? It was in the news …

      Andrew Cuomo offered compassion aplenty as he sent disease carriers in among the most vulnerable. Public compassion is cheapest theatrics while you cannot know what private compassion Trump has offered.

      Such biased presentation of affairs is fairly conclusive evidence of your having made up your mind and become impervious to contrary evidence, rendering further discussion devoid of point.

      1. having made up your mind

        Objection! Presumes facts not in evidence. Must first demonstrate that troll HAS a mind to make up.

  26. Exactly what I’m saying: herd immunity is a fact. Herd immunity is acquired when he majority of the population has the virus. Rate of mortality will be higher for older and immune compromised people, but even with a low mortality rate, when you calculate for the 328 million Americans, that’s a lot of people.

    Having a testing, tracking and isolating strategy pays off, as by delaying the infections, you have time to find a treatment or a vaccine.

    Your president has no strategy, no plan to save people…

    You don’t care about the over 75 then now? I thought you were all so wooded about the grandmas not getting their cancer treatment… hypocrite much?

    Young people have a very very low death rate, but still, multi ply that by tens of million and you still get a lot dead.

    So mad, are you? Why at me lol

    1. Do grow-up. Everyone dies. The excess death rates by age cohort this year are well within the historical norms. Get the whole picture, it’s what adults do.

    2. And there you go, folks; a perfect example of argumentum ad nauseum — some worthless wanker repeating the same bullshit over and over until everybody is sick of hearing it, then proclaiming victory.

      You see, ‘Chris’, no matter how many times you repeat them, lies remain lies, bullshit remains bullshit, and your failure to grasp the simplest principles of statistics remains stupidity. You are not even entertaining, merely tiresome. Go troll somewhere else.
      Deja Moo: the funny feeling you get that you’ve heard the same bullshit before.

    3. Having a testing, tracking and isolating strategy pays off

      Nonsense – not when applied to a highly infectious influenza-type virus in a dense urban pack.

      Person A wakes up with a rough throat, dresses for work, takes an elevator down from her 19th floor apartment, during which a dozen people enter and exit the elevator en route and fifteen exit with her at the ground floor. They all head off in different directions, some climbing aboard crowded buses, others taking the subway along with our carrier, albeit to different destinations.

      A rides in a crowded car through ten subway stations, with dozens of people entering and exiting the car at each station. At her destination she rides a crowded elevator to the 23rd floor, with people entering and exiting the car every floor of the way. At lunch she takes the elevator down to the ground floor and grabs a bite at a crowded coffee shop, mingling with dozens of people in the process, after which she returns in her elevator to the 23rd floor where she spends the afternoon working..

      After work she goes to a bar with workmates for a couple of drinks then takes the subway home and rides her elevator back to her 19th floor apartment. She has been in contact with hundreds of people, each of whom has also been in contact with additional hundreds of people and so on ad infinitum.

      If she went to a ball game, night club or theatre the potential infections contacts attain an additional order of magnitude.

      All of this in the original few day infectious asymptomatic period before she gets tested.

      HOW are you figuring those contacts get traced, eh?

  27. I suppose this belongs here. I’ve been looking for just this number since it avoids all the adjusting for age, comorbidity, and cause coding. Straight up deaths from all causes.

    CDC Deaths from all causes 2/1/2020 through 5/23/2020 updated 5/27/2020. 933,260. They compare this as a percent of the average number of deaths for the same period 2017-2019. 99%. So, deaths from all causes this year is, arguably, lower than the previous three years (arguably because this is a provisional number and there will be late reporting, I prefer to use a confidence interval but they don’t give them data.)

    It get’s better. New Jersey is at 143% and NY State ex NYC is 125%. Mass at 125%. Maryland at 110%, Illinois at 107% and Colorado at 106%. median age at death remains at 81 and 90% have severe comorbidity. In any case, notice the pattern.

    Punchline of the 76,874 deaths coded as Covid-19., 17,511 are in New York City. Deaths from all causes in NYC 40,487. Percent of Expected Deaths, 227%.

    Take out NYC and its suburbs and this is less than nothing. Someone will figure out that the shut down did reduce deaths from all causes because motor vehicle accidents, etc, are down too but they won’t count the deaths from other causes that are going to occur over time.

    Such a parcel of rogues in a nation.

    Funny thing, the Diamond Princess findings still hold up so they can’t say they didn’t know.

        1. Overall, the headline for the actual article gives a very clear indication of how this has differentiated communities/districts:

          Coronavirus death toll is heavily concentrated in Democratic congressional districts
          The coronavirus outbreak has taken the lives of nearly 100,000 Americans. Yet since the start of the outbreak, the death toll has been concentrated in a just a few places – mostly large metropolitan areas, especially the New York City area.

          The places hit hardest by the coronavirus outbreak – which have relatively large shares of ethnic and racial minorities and residents living in densely populated urban and suburban areas – are almost all represented by congressional Democrats.

          A new Pew Research Center analysis of data on official reports of COVID-19 deaths, collected by the John Hopkins University Center for Systems Science and Engineering, finds that, as of last week, nearly a quarter of all the deaths in the United States attributed to the coronavirus have been in just 12 congressional districts – all located in New York City and represented by Democrats in Congress. Of the more than 92,000 Americans who had died of COVID-19 as of May 20 (the date that the data in this analysis was collected), nearly 75,000 were in Democratic congressional districts.

          Of the 44 hardest-hit congressional districts – the top 10% in terms of deaths – 41 are represented by Democrats, while three are represented by Republicans. These include the New York-area districts, as well as those in the Boston, Detroit and New Orleans metropolitan areas. The average death toll in each of these hardest-hit districts was 1,122 as of May 20.

          The next 100 hardest-hit districts, which represent the remainder of the top third of districts, with an average of 270 deaths, also are disproportionately represented by Democrats: 75 are represented by Democrats, 25 by Republicans.

          About two-thirds (68%) of the 44 least affected districts – the bottom 10%, with an average 13 deaths in each district – are represented by Republicans in Congress.
          [END EXCERPT]

          1. Looking at that distribution and considering the level of Trump Derangement Syndrome in Blue districts, I doubt that many of the families of the deceased would take comfort from a Trump bereavement call.

            It would probably go over about as well as Hillary showing up at Ambassador Stevens funeral.

            1. Also, “Aha! Proof. PROOF! That the corona virus was created by Trump! There is no other way for him to achieve re-election than by culling the population of right-thinking voters!”

          2. If the ChiComs intended the WuFlu to take out folk opposed to their hegemony, the strategy seems to have backfired.

        2. I feel the urge to print that out as a golden example of Fun With Headlines– the *peak* for Republican voting districts is less than half for Dem ones, but it only dropped by .3 rather than 3.3….

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