Selling Out Paradise

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If the modern age were written in biblical style, what would the serpent whisper to women, gays, minorities and most of all, our children.

How about “This paradise isn’t as good as it should be?”

I woke up late, mostly because it was a busy weekend and I went to bed late (and no writing or covers done, which means I need to do double today.  Ah well.) And while I was stumbling around the kitchen in a state of lack of caffeine (it’s sad) Dan was in the family room, exercising and (as one does — even me — while exercising) watching some random movie.  Where a kid was prattling on and on about how we need to change the world, because the world needs changing.

This is one of those aphorisms that those of us who grew up in the shadow of the boomers heard our entire life.  “You’re going to grow up to change the world.”  “We all should change the world” “the world needs to change.”  Or in the language of teenagers at all times and everywhere, throwing fits at their parents, “Why did you bring me into this messed up world?”

Perhaps it’s a sign I’m getting older — and people should most surely get off my lawn — or perhaps it was the utter lack of caffeine, but I stopped in the middle of the kitchen thinking “Why?” “Why is the world so bad?” “And in what way should we change it?” “Or does it matter? Should we just generically change it, like one can change ones haircolor to candyfloss pink, because it’s not our natural color?”

Look, the way the left — supposedly the children of materialistic Marxism — rage at the world, (and more and more the flesh, and the creatively interpreted devil) you’d think they’re an heresy not of main stream Christianity but of gnosticism.  (Oh, wait, I’ve watched (accidentally) some of their supernatural stylings.  Um.) This world is an evil evil place and salvation comes from changing it.  Which in practicality, on purpose or not translates to “we have to destroy the world in order to save it.”

Yeah, I can hear the read till offended contingent now “You only think the world is perfect, because you’re racissss sexisssss homophobic, and you have privilege and–”  Can it.  Also stay quiet while the adults talk.

No one is saying the world is perfect. Of course the world isn’t.  It is a material place, inhabited by material beings.  Your body isn’t perfect, either. It is a commonplace to say we’re all dying. It’s not exactly true. Some of us are still growing.  But yeah, the minute you stop growing, your body starts breaking down.  Does that sound like perfect to you?  Also we’re built on the frame of great apes, who come with their own impulses, ideas and issues which often interfere with what our rational selves want to do.  For instance take this weekend (and last.)  I was going to finish editing a short novel and write three short stories.  Instead there were issues with household and real life things. Net words produced, zero.  And no, my rational self is not happy about it.  The ape isn’t either.  She’s not had a nice walk in two days and she didn’t do anything fun, and she’s cranky.

So? Multiply that by however many of us you think there are.  I’m pegging it at 6 billion and likely less, but the UN has been adding up imaginary people based on the imaginary counts of countries that can’t be trusted to tell you where their borders are, so who knows?

Whichever way, there’s a lot of us.  And we all have issues with ourselves, which leads to issues with each other, which leads…

The world isn’t perfect.  No one said it was.

That said 90% of the people who want to “change the world” want to do so by telling everyone else what to do. Ignoring that they themselves are also not perfect, and more likely than not are appallingly ignorant of the real world out there.

When people — rightly — said the spectacle of Greta Thunberg apostrophizing adult in public was ridiculous, the older left rose up to say at least she was fighting for change.

So she was.  Well, she was scolding for change.  But one must ask: Why is the change she was championing a good thing?

Don’t warble back about “we’re going extinct.” or “Great extinction” or “we only have twelve years.”  Not only is that complete nonsense, even according to the UN who are masters of raising fear in order to gain power (in fact it is their only talent.) but it is patent nonsense.  If this were undisputed and provable truth, if the data weren’t stupidly massaged, if the Earth hadn’t been way warmer (without our interference) in the past, if we could agree on what is causing (was causing. We’re in a pause or maybe heading down. Like the population numbers it’s hard to tell because some people LIKE fear. It gives them power) warming, and it were obvious (and no lefties, it’s not because we don’t get big words. Some of us were raised on big words.) there would have been a scientist explaining to the UN what needed to be done and why, instead of a middle school girl with cognitive issues pointing her finger and asking how they dared.

Instead pause and think about what Greta really was advocating — which I’m sure the older boomers saying “quite right” have never done — to stop this runaway global warming and extinction she’s been told is coming.

I’m sure the benign elderly boomers saying “She is bringing change” in tones like “What beautiful cheeks this child has” think it’s all about the west living a vegan lifestyle (let’s talk about how bad for the environment that would be, since real veganism will kill real humans. Growing what’s needed and processing it for a healthy diet is far worse than meat. Never mind.) wearing “natural” clothing, recycling, not driving more than you have to, and “living in harmony with nature.”

Somewhere in the back of their minds when they hear Greta Thunberg what is playing is “This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius.”

While if in fact what Greta Thunberg was demanding to stop the catastrophe she imagines is bearing down on us was the death of maybe 5 1/2 of those billions. Why? Well, because you can’t stop carbon emissions and travel (do you have any idea how interconnected our world is?) without stopping food production, distribution, processing.  What you get is the four horsemen: War, famine, pestilence and assuredly Death in the end.

More importantly, the west getting “low water” washers (we’re going to talk about it in the future. Their next eruption of crazy is about water.  I’ve started to see articles about “living in a post water US”.   As someone who had to teach the water cycle to teachers before, I’m here to tell you these arrant idiots think the water is used once and disappears. Also, apparently it’s going to stop raining. Also if there were a real crisis, they apparently miss we have very advanced filtration tech, for ocean water if needed. Argh.) or stopping using straws, or stopping having children (which most of the west is doing anyway) is not going to cause the change Greta demands.  To do that India and China would have to stop their industrialization cold, and most of them would have to die.  In fact, the remnants of humanity would have to go back to living in the stone age.

To stop the fears of a kid who was told the world is a terrible place and about to end.

Or, you know, we could tell her the truth. The truth is that we live in a world that — however many — supports the most people it’s ever supported, in the most comfort these uppity great apes have ever enjoyed.  Even in the third world, life is markedly better than it was fifty or a hundred years ago.

This doesn’t mean that the world is perfect. It doesn’t mean no child goes to be hungry (Venezuela. I’m sure lots of children go to bed hungry in Venezuela.  In the US?  Oh, there might be a couple hundred in a country of three hundred million.  No, the childhood hunger survey is not indicative of anything except insanity. But even in a country as rich as comfortable as the US there are horrible parents, abused children, etc. You can’t stop that. Great Apes.)

In the first world, where little Greta grew up,we are ridiculously, amazingly wealthy.  Kings of the past would look at us in envy. We eat well… more than we need. Most of us have closets stuffed with warm and comfortable clothes.  Those in true need are spoiled for choice of charities distributing winter clothing right now.  Those tight on money — some writers don’t get paid regularly, you know? Free lancer and all. (because I’m still uncaffeinated it occurs to me that free-lancer’s meaning is not far from the denotation if not the connotation of ronin. I now want a headband to wear while writing that says ronin writer.)  — can shop thrift stores (and trust me, half the stuff I buy is new, because stores dump last year’s unsold stock for a deduction. Heck, since I lost some weight (need to lose more, yes) I can buy expensive brand closing either new or perhaps worn once.)

Actually we’re a pretty good case study because though we’ve made pretty good money most of our lives (with some truly disgustingly low points) we have weird priorities.  So we tend to buy our clothes, furniture and often tech (unless needed for work) and always cars downstream at second, third or fourth (one of those cars!) hand, while blowing our money on books, courses education and yes often houses (but that’s an investment which usually — couple of exceptions — pays off.)  And living downstream of the cutting edge of society, we’ve, except for those disgusting exceptions of a couple years here and there, not lived badly at all.  Way better than anyone around me while I was growing up, in fact. So far up, in fact, that my grandmother would be speechless.  She was often overcome by houses with running hot and water and said “what luxury” at things that we find downmarket now. And that ladies and gentlemen is living mostly on second hand stuff.

Our time can afford people who aren’t particularly outstanding in their careers (though I like to think both of us are good) a life that would make kings in the 19th century cry and stomp in envy.

But we’ve ruined Greta’s dreams and her childhood and apparently those of a lot of their cohort, by not killing the more populous areas of the third world that are just now industrializing.

It never seems to occur to these world changers that if someone had changed the world to their ideal before they were born, they’d likely never have been born.  Or they’d have died of something (hospitals require energy. And transport. And innovation. All of which require modern tech) when they were infants. Or if they were lucky enough to be born and alive now, they’d likely be handicapped by issues borne of those diseases and malnutrition.

The Green New Deal (I automatically type it in Green Nude Heel and then have to wonder what is wrong with the words. I need caffeine) is a ticket to exactly that kind of medieval horror-show world.

Already we’re letting the “world changers” aka rebels without a clue play havoc with our infrastructure and energy supply to the point that they’re trying to drive us there on the installment plan.

And all why?

King of the past looking at the lives of commoners now would say “Surely that’s paradise.”

Ah, but is the paradise paradisical enough? Was Greta Thunberg’s childhood exactly as cossetted and pampered as she can imagine? Are we living in harmony with nature and is everyone perfectly happy in the perfectly amazing Earth which hands us everything we need with Rousseaunian promptness?  Is love free? Is food organic? Does our hair flow in the breeze?

Eat this apple, and it will be the dawning of the Age of Aquarius.  Which like a hippie commune will be dirty, verminous and an ecological disaster.  But hey, at least you’ll have changed the world, right?

Changing the world is easy. In fact, you can’t stop from doing it.  However you live, the world is going to be changed by your being here.  Yes, even if you go to a mountain fastness and become a hermit. You’ll either require helicopter rescue and cost us millions, or some idiot will write books about your life to inspire other idiots to do the same to “save the Earth.”

So, instead of thinking of changing the world by telling others how to live, think on how to change the world by how YOU live, and what you dedicate your (yes, all too short) life to.

The world didn’t get where it is by people doing nothing. If that were the case, yes, we’d still be living in Greta’s paradise and being chased around by tigers, whenever we fell from our tree. (But not saber tooth tigers. Their extinction has nothing to do with us, and it would have happened anyway.)

Does childhood poverty appall you? Well, you’re spoiled for choice.  Get out there and work at easier to grow, better and more abundant crops (yes, GMO. Suck it. We’ve been genetically modifying plants and animals since there’s been agriculture, and maybe before.) Invent industrial processes that are easier and less polluting.  Work at computer apps that make it easier to shop with less waste. Heck, create more efficient engines. Oh, and work at coming up with cures for diseases, since a lot of poverty, childhood and not, comes from disease.

Is your talent more people than science? Work at removing the boot from people’s necks, both the governmental boot and that of culture.  Countries where the individual can’t benefit from his/her toil are mired in perpetual poverty.  It doesn’t matter if the stuff you create goes to your ne’er do well politicians or your ne’er do well relatives.  And it doesn’t matter how good it would be if everyone shared.  In practicality, common property is distributed poverty.  It also kills innovation and the ability to save.  That “capital” that Marx hated? That’s the surplus you save/invest for the bad years.  Marx didn’t know that because he was, in point of fact, a useless grifter.

And if like me your talent is just the ability to entertain people and (as a stretch goal) make them think?  Well, that helps too.  Or at least it’s an honorable way of making a living.

Heck, even those who clean houses for a living (and if you think that’s low-skilled you’ve never done it well) are changing the world for the better. Clean houses are healthier.  And it frees other people to do things who might free other people to do things which in the end might lead to someone having the leisure and resources to create… something really big.  An interstellar drive. A virtually free form of energy that even the greens can’t object to.  Wheat that grows on practically nothing.  Who knows?  Such miracles have happened in the past.

Want to change the world? You will. But make sure you’re changing it by building, creating, doing.  Not by sitting around stomping your feet and demanding everyone do as you say.

Because on the other side of that vision that makes Extinction Rebellion stop commuters on their way to work lies the wilderness, and no way back to paradise.

308 responses to “Selling Out Paradise

  1. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

    Obviously, the world would be better off if I was absolute dictator. [Sarcastic Grin]

    • The world would be better off if everybody would stop trying to make it perfect.
      ———————————
      You’ll never see anything more diabolical than some idealist creating the perfect world. Give me an honest tyrant any day.

      • Timothy E. Harris

        Prevent them, for they know not what they do.

      • Obligatory:

        “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

        ― C. S. Lewis

        • Finally got around to reading that essay– it’s against what he calls the humanitarian theory of punishment, and what we’d probably call the pathological theory of crime.

    • I am the only member of the Libertarian Fascist Party (LFP).
      Our motto is “Live Free or We’ll Kill You.”
      Our platform is, once elected, we will aggressively leave you alone and make sure other people leave you alone, too.
      Of course, you have to leave other people alone too.

      • The Libertarian Conundrum:

        “You can’t force people to be free.”

        And, in fact, a great many of them *don’t want to be free”. They’re perfectly happy with someone else making their decisions for them; that’s what they view as the natural state of things.

        People just going off and doing things without direction or permission is more a cause for alarm than for action.

        • For contrast, the Anarchist’s Conundrum is, ‘Those who do not chose their government will have government not of their choice forced upon them.’

        • a great many of them ‘don’t want to be free’.</I?"

          There are various values of "free".

          They want to be free of responsibilities for their actions. They do not want to own their choices.

          • AOC’s wanting the government to take over all aspects of commercial life as well as other things, so that people will be more free.

            • It makes sense when you realize that most of her life experience is sitting in public school.
              So, freedom means that the boring stuff is done by the ‘adults’, and the kids have free time.

        • Just because a stray shows up at my back door doesn’t mean I have to provide food and shelter for it. Nor should I be expected or coerced into doing so.

        • Truth. There are people who get seriously upset that people have freedoms and they cannot be allowed that!

          I think there was a Steven Crowder vid where he records college students getting upset about other people having freedom of speech.

      • I have your logo: a bundle of of rifles and swords roped together like a sheaf of grain.

  2. Dorothy Dimock

    You’re on a roll.

  3. Timothy E. Harris

    I automatically type it in Green Nude Heel and then have to wonder what is wrong with the words.

    I think it’s because the implications are Orwellian.
    If you want a vision of a Green future, imagine a Green Nude Heel stamping on a human face – forever.

    • Then imagine what diseases are necessary for that Nude Heel to be Green, and decide you don’t want lunch. Or dinner.

  4. I enjoyed this post, and smirked appropriately. But I thought I’d let you know, I’m an aging Boomer, and I thought the sadness that was Greta, Swedish Sock Puppet did not really change anything, but demonstrated symptoms of illness in parts of society.

    • You KNOW exactly the type of aging boomer I mean. And btw, I don’t think you are.
      Boomers were born before 55. I remember when I was told I was useless and not community engaged. Meh.
      60s? Not a boomer. But we did get taught by them.
      HOWEVER all these generations are arbitrary to an extent. Obama was a year older than I and CERTAINLY a boomer.
      However, it was the easiest tag to have you visualize exactly what I meant.

      • “Boomer” originally applied to people born 1942-1950-ish. But the media keeps sliding the window up, and now a number of places are pegging it as late as 1965.

        That’s 23 years after the beginning of the war, and in my opinion, getting a bit late for a “war baby”, particularly considering Korea and half of Vietnam had happened in the meantime. (and where are the baby booms from Korea and Vietnam?)

        • I wonder whether those born after, say, 1955 could bring a class-action defamation suit against the MSM for calling them Boomers?

          • It’s tempting (Sept. 1961) but I have no pressing reason to make a bunch of Lawyers richer.

            I like Joe Queenan’s take on the Boom (BALSAMIC DREAMS), especially his insight that one of there core problem with the Boomers is that they insisted their parents acknowledge that Richard Nixon was Beelzebub, which denying that Jimmy Carter was Bozo.

        • It’s apparently sliding back again. I’d seen 1964 which catches me, just. But it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Gen X makes more sense. Missed being a Hippy by quite a bit.

          • I knew some hippies, in the ‘70’s. Worked for a Comic Book shop in downtown Cleveland. The owner looked like Bozo The Clown with the makeup washed off and gone to seed. His second in command was a living avatar for Zonker Harris from Doonsbury. In addition to new and used comics, the store sold a comprehensive line of underground comix, and paid the rent by selling Hustler and Soldier Of Fortune.

            Nice guys. Good company. But they had the political savvy of a gnat. Between them.

            They weren’t activist types, but stoners. From what I’ve seen, activist types would have been awful company and had political intelligence in negative numbers.

            Their social circle included the group that published American Splendor, an underground comic well thought of by the intelligentsia. I found it tiresome, but the only Comix I ever found really engaging were Barefootz, Wonder Warthog, and The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers.

            My experience with that shop is one of the reasons I don’t hate the Lefty rank and file. They’re dumbbas a box of rocks about some things, but they aren’t bad people.

            Sadly, they are all too often lead by bad people, like Ira Einhorn or Hillary Clinton.

            • I was looking at some pictures at a friends house once. I noticed one where I thought “that guy looks like Zonker from Doonesbury”…then I recognized the sweater I was wearing in the picture. My hair is a lot shorter and a little neater now.

              Fifty years ago I thought we were in Heinlein’s Crazy Years and expected them to last for thirty years or so. I read all the crazy books from The Population Bomb to the Peter Principle to Chariots of the Gods. Paul Ehrlich turned out to be just as far from reality as Von Daniken and the Crazy Years just keep turning it up another notch.

              My generation is full of people who are stuck in the hippie years and haven’t learned anything new since 1969. Some of us, on the other hand, have continued to take in new information and change our points of view.

              • I think there’s also a big chunk of ‘ Sixties Counterculture Reenactment ‘ going on. If they would admit that that is what they were doing, and stick to specific events (and clean up after themselves) the way the Civil War and Medieval types do, they wouldn’t be so much of a problem.

                Seriously, it seems to me that a substantial percentage of the Protesters we see cluttering up society protest because protesting is their hobby.

                • A quote from Hunter S Thompson comes to mind: “…a useless mob of ignorant, chicken-shit egojunkies whose only accomplishment was to embarrass the whole tradition of public protest.”

                • Recreational Outrage and Virtue Signaling.

        • My understanding was boomers were after WWII ended. I was a “war baby”. Although, being a missileer, BOOMs were (hopefully) to stay in their silos, and they did. Until 3 wings of Tttan IIs and 3 wings of Minuteman were removed and the silos and launch control facilities were destroyed, except for a few as historic monuments.

          • The thing is, once you start defining it by what the kids did, rather than the parents, you get some shifting around.

        • At least where I was growing up*, the peak of the baby boom was for kids born around 1952 (raises hand), with school enrollments dropping slowly afterward. YMMV.

          Both of the elementary schools I attended have been repurposed, one an admin/adult education center, and one (a private afterschool daycare center).

          FWIW, I thought my eldest brother (born mid 1945) was a hair too early to be a boomer. Dad was heading to Okinawa shortly thereafter.

          (*) Midwest, both Detroit and Chicago ‘burbs.

          • I think part of the issue is the actual Baby Boom vs. a “generation.” “Generation” is often defined as the typical time for someone to be born, grow up, and have children of their own–something in the 20-25 year range mostly. So on the one hand we had the “post-war Baby Boom” which lasted to the early 50’s, but the generation to which the “Baby Boom” label was attached being considered to run from mid 40’s to mid 60’s.

        • The US birth rate (births per 1000 women 15-44) cratered in the 1930s, with a low of 75.8 in 1936. It recovered to 85-90 during WW II. It jumped to over 100 in 1946, and rose to over 120 in 1956-58. It declined after that: from 117.2 in 1961 to 91.3 in 1966. 1964 was the last year over 100.

          So 1946-1964 is a pretty good definition.

      • Born in 1951 so fall well into the boomer window.
        But early on I was infected by constant exposure to Heinlein, first the juveniles, then the whole shooting match.
        Wasn’t long before I adopted the philosophy of the rational anarchist, ie all government is evil, but some might reasonably be considered a necessary evil. And in my not so humble opinion, any organization or movement that seeks to tell others what to do or how to live falls firmly into my definition of government, whether de facto or de jure.

        • There’s a fine line between telling others what to do, and having a baseline of expected behavior. Telling people to keep their lawns mowed to no higher than X inches is buttinskiism, and grounds for boiling all HOAs in oil. Expecting your neighbors to mow their lawn often enough that small children don’t get lost in it seems reasonable.

          • The house at the end of our street, where the outlet to the main thoroughfare rests, has a tendency to leave the lawn uncut until the view of oncoming traffic is restricted.

            That is where I draw the line, although the first appeal is to the neighbor, not the city.

          • Geoff Withnell

            There is a fine line with HOAs. First, remember, it is a voluntary association. At least in my state, you must be provided with the HOA rules a certain amout of time prior to closing, and if you object to them, you are entitled to your full deposit back without penalty. I live in a townhouse community with an HOA. While I am not fond of getting permission to paint my door a different color, I an just as glad my next door neighbor can’t paint his townhouse purple with green polkadots, lowering my property value.,

            • I’ve never understood this. How does the color of the neighbor’s house affect your property value? Do you (or the potential buyers of your house) sit outside looking around at the neighborhood houses? My across-the-street neighbor’s house is purple. I hardly ever even see it, let alone notice the color.

              • Depends on the area; it can be a good filtering metric for “this person wants to shock the squares.”

                Needless to say, not a great neighbor indicator; may or may not be less than the unmowed lawn hiding several junked cars, each with their own dog.

                • I’ve never understood that, either. The original owner of the house next to mine had her house painted in an excruciatingly pink color – about the color of Peptol-Bismol. Yeah, it was that bad. (fortunately, it faded to a milder shade of pink after a couple of years.) It did make it easier for people to find my own house, mind – (Mine is the peach-colored one at the corner, to the left of the Peptol-Bismol one)
                  For awful, horrible, careless house-owners – that’s what city code-compliance is there for.

              • A more useful example is a place like Leavenworth, or Winthrop, in Washington– Bavarian Village and ‘Old West,’ respectively.

                All the designs are unified. (Even the McDonald’s, it’s cool.)

                I don’t get the appeal, but some neighborhoods do the same. Usually there was a problem at some point, when you dig in far enough, and it’s not always the Nosy Twit, frequently it’s the “oh yeah, well I’m going to make trouble BECAUSE I CAN!” Twit. (Also found demanding permission to put up Satanic statues in the middle of a creche that can be seen from the road.)

              • I saw it first, locally, in special “historic” districts voted in the Eighties; areas where the residents had elected to abide by “period-appropriate” exterior decor as part of neighborhood-wide restoration projects.

                Didn’t like it then, although I understood the purpose; it seemed wrong to force a pensioner widow to spend money she might not have in order to make her house look as it had when she first moved in. A classic example of majority rule trampling minority rights.

                Apparently the concept has leapt the border and infected other neighborhoods.

                • Geoff Withnell

                  I am against Historic districts and other LAWS that force compliance. AN HOA is voluntary. You know about it when you buy the property, or choose to join a forming HOA. Even if all the other homeowners on the block are joining an HOA, you cannot be forced to do so.

                  • Depends on the state.

                    Washington, at least in Bremerton area, you could; they had a half-dozen out of the sixty in the area take over by waiting until the ships pulled out on a 6 month tour and all the families went on summer vacation.

                    ‘Amusingly’ enough, destroyed the home value….

              • Geoff Withnell

                Remember “townhouse”? It is essentially the same structure. And his maintenance practices can have a direct afftect on my home.

        • all government is evil, but some might reasonably be considered a necessary evil

          Government is like fire; a useful tool, kept carefully restrained, but a hideous danger left unrestricted.

          • Further; like fire, if you are young, healthy, vigorous, and skilled you, CAN live without government. It won’t be any more comfortable than living without fire, but it CAN be done.

            Which doesn’t make doing so a worthwhile use of your time and energy.

      • This kind?
        https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/williamdalebout/virtue-signal-the-game-of-social-justice/posts/2656527
        It’s a game that ought to appeal to the folks around here. 🙂

  5. I enjoyed this post. Just wanted to point out, I’m an aging Boomer, and not a liberal one. I thought Greta, the Swedish Sockpuppet, was not relevant, or even entertaining.

    • Some boomers got jobs, or went into the service, and never slipped into the silliness that was the Age of Aquarius hippiedom.
      Others eventually came down from the various controlled substances, washed off the mud of Woodstock & Altamont, got jobs, and dumped the hippie ideology as the childish bad idea that it is.
      But there’s that % who never got over the time when a nekked hippie wasn’t an occasion for lots of eye bleach, and have endlessly tried to recreate their glory days. Back when the Rolling Stones were a bleeding edge band and the Rolling Stone was hip.

      • That is why don’t believe I’m a boomer. Late ’56 born. But age of Aquarius/Hippydom and Woodstock hit before I officially became a teen (granted Woodstock wasn’t much before then, but sure didn’t hear of it for years). Rebellion of the ’60s were well gone by the time I got even close enough to old enough to rebel. (FWIW. 63 yesterday.) Can’t even blame my, and my sisters, attitudes on “women’s place” or lack there of, on feminism. Not with a father whose attitude was: “No one tells my girls what they can and can’t do.” Which was his parents attitude, and their parents attitude. But that was the pioneer way, everyone worked on the homestead, down to the smallest child (even if that was picking up large cones for the small wood stove fire.) We no longer lived on the homestead, but attitude didn’t change.

      • I’m somewhere in the middle. I expected to be an engineer by Freshman year in high school, and followed through. I smoked a bit of marijuana in college, but was too cheap to bother getting more than a couple ounces in my lifetime. (Alcohol was more tempting, but I gave up most of it in the mid ’90s, and all of it several years ago–not really safe to drink with my medications…)

        I followed the boomer politics, at first. Voted for McGovern in my first presidential election (and Carter, and Carter, then Reagan and that guy who was Ronaldus Magnus’ VP). OTOH, my first vote for governor (same election as presidential) was for a Republican, one of the few governors in Illinois who managed to avoid getting charged, convicted and imprisoned. There were some honest ones there, though he got defeated by a CEO turned governor turned federal prisoner.

        Dad taught us to stand on our own two feet; two of us took that road. One not so much. I suspect Scoldilocks would get along with that branch of the family. Sigh.

        • I pegged McGovern as an idiot, though I was too young to vote either way. He was the product of a major shift in the structure of the Democrat Party, giving far too much power to the idiots who had attacked the Party in ‘68.

          Nixon was no prize, though. Even discounting Watergate ( which was pretty much a Republican thinking he could get away with behaving like a Democrat) he was a Big Government Progressive….he just wasn’t pro- Communist. We call them RINOs now.

          I liked Ford over Carter; anyone who vetoed as much of what Congress passed as Ford did couldn’t be all bad. Carter, drat his hide, was a compromise candidate because the Democrats were sure their nominee would win against the man who pardoned Nixon, and the power blocks couln’t agree on who’s turn it was. So Carter arrived in Washington with no allies in Congress and accomplished next to nothing.

          I got to vote for Reagan the second time.

          I’ve never voted for a Democrat, not because all the Republicans were so great, but because of the swine the Democrats have nominated.

          • I watched the ’68 and ’72 DNC conventions, but can’t say I was really well aware of the politics of the day. For some reason, I didn’t much care for Nixon, and though my preference was for Muskie (until he imploded), and thought McG was a bit of a jerk (he was one at a rally at U of Redacted, I gather), he wasn’t Nixon.

            Not sure why I was going for the Dems at the time. I’m not sure I should admit to voting for Moonbeam in his first term (not sure about the second; California Republicans were doing a great job at imitating the Washington Generals).

            I thought RR was dangerous in 1980, but it wasn’t until Tom Bradley went all in on the gun control measure (1982) that I realized that my welfare meant nothing to them compared to their utopia. So, by ’84, I’d been voting R, and switched my registration. Haven’t voted for a Dem (that I know of; some races are non-party) since. I escaped California before Arnold got elected, so I don’t have that particular pain. I did vote for Romney (and McCain Palin, actually), though one gets the sense they were both supposed to take a fall in their campaigns.

            There’s been way too much of people getting the nomination “because it’s their turn”–enough to make one wonder just how heavy the thumbs are on the scales. But then, with Wikileaks, we know some.

            • RR was dangerous in 1980, the only real question was to whom … as we found out.

              Shucks, I’m so old I recall when they pundits were fretting the presidency had become too difficult for one person (they said man then, the sexists) and that we might never again see a two-term president.

              From which I learned how much value to give pundit opinion.

          • My first presidential election is also the only time I voted for a Demoncrat: George McGovern.

            I cast that vote in supreme confidence he would not win. Beloved Spouse later confessed the same vote, for the same reason. We have oft times speculated how many votes he would have gotten had it not been clearly a lost cause, a protest vote.

            We will, of course, never know.

            I will give McGovern credit on one point: unlike all subsequent Demoncrat nominees he did eventually recognize that it was possible to have too much government regulation.

            • My first presidential vote was for Ford ’76. I knew Carter would be a disaster. In fact I may have said (a few thousand times) that Obama was another Carter, at minimum.

              I vote my best conscious. Even tho I know my vote in Oregon is highly likely not going the way the state is. I had no hope that President Trump would win in ’16. He didn’t take Oregon. But by god he took the National Vote that counts.

              At that I never, ever, no matter how much I despise Carter, and Obama, said they weren’t my president. I respected the result each time. Was overheard that I didn’t vote for either; and I hadn’t. Not the point. I would have been sick to my stomach had HRC won, but would have respected the process.

              AND on the off chance that HRC is lurking/trolling this blog. NOBODY tells me how to vote. Not my father, when he was alive, not my husband, nor my son.

            • That is because, unlike all subsequent Democratic nominees, he got out of politics once he left office and tried to run an actual business.

          • Some of my favorite political books came out of the ’72 election: “Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail” by HST, and “The Boys on the Bus” by Tim Crouse.

          • Carter failed to recover embassy people in Tehran kidnapped by foreign agents, agreed those agents were terrorists, and then paid ransom to them. Which put the extrement in the ventilator big time.

            My wrath over the “Hostage Crisis” burns bright decades later…

            “Oh. they’re ‘student activists’ now? Whatever. I’m just calling to tell you the BUFFs are on their way from Oklahoma. You have until they get there to have all our people waiting at the airport so we can pick them up. If they’re not ready, the BUFFs will turn one of your towns into a smoking hole. For every day you dick around, we’ll burn another town. And for every person you’re short, we’ll burn ten towns. And if you fuck with us, we’ll turn your capital city into black glass. Have I made myself perfectly clear? My, what language. By the way, you won’t be talking to me again. Emily the Intern will accept your calls when she has no other assigned tasks.”

            No. He gave them a big chunk of *my* money, and violated US policy that went back to the Barbary Coast wars.

            • The problem with your approach is that it penalizes innocent civilians for their government’s actions (as well as assuming that government gives a crap about those civilians.) If we start holding populaces responsible for their government’s actions, who knows where such a thing might lead?

              Besides, it is important to check the voting returns* from every city before attacking the people there, lest we inadvertently destroy opposition party voters.

              *Michael Moore’s complaint about al Qaeda’s WTC attack being on “Gore voters” implicitly endorsed an attack on any city that voted for George W Bush.

            • well, technically, wasn’t a large chunk of that money handed to them by Obama?

        • Yes 1961 so I count as a boomer, though many of the turning points for boomers (e.g. assassination of JFK) are nothing to me. I think the Apollo Program and Moon landing(s) were more formative. As for politics I was initially Liberal/Democrat following in the footsteps of my Irish catholic Dad. Voting showed that Anderson, Mondale, Clinton (mea culpa), Clinton (Mea maxima culpa) at first. Over time all that Heinlein reading of my youth combined with my Mom’s side New England Republican (Socially liberal, fiscally conservative) and having children moved me away from the Democrats. Then with Al Gore’s loss they went insane and kicked out any remaining rational members of the party.

    • I think I’ve ranted about not considering myself a boomer (1960) here before.

      Keep you stinking paws statistical cohort labels off of me you damned dirty ape Hippy!

  6. How about “This paradise isn’t as good as it should be?”

    More like, “This paradise is unspeakably evil because it’s not perfect!”

    Even though it’s better than most of the other ‘paradises’ they go on about.

    • Perfect for who?
      for me? I doubt they’d like my perfect paradise, but hey, if they keep demanding it, I might make an attempt at mine over theirs

      • OK, we’re talking boomers and Paradise. I’ll skip the Meatloaf view of paradise, and bring in my second-favorite* Joni Mitchell song:

        Big Yellow Taxi

        “They paved Paradise
        and put in a parking lot”

        (*) My favorite is one she covered, though I prefer the original Lambert, Hendrix and Ross version of “Twisted”

        Obligatory tube of U link:

    • That’s a pretty common attitude among the younger set; “If it’s not perfect, then to hell with it all.”

      It’s rather scary to deal with engineers who think that way…

      It’s not really their age, it’s an artefact of the modern education system, which typically has *one* correct way to get *one* correct answer to any problem.

      Slide rules slightly predate the Industrial Revolution, but they’re an integral part of it. Slide-rule engineers built all the underpinnings of nuclear weapons and power, aircraft, and spacecraft. A slide rule is an *analog* device; it works by approximation. So you have to know what the solution of your problem looks like, down to the relevant order of magnitude, before you can begin to solve it. And you have to know how every step works as you work your way to the end.

      They were replaced by the “calculator guys”, who became the “computer guys”. They punched in their numbers, and “somewhere between 9 and 11” became “10.0000”, even when the inputs were *still* 8.5-to-9.5 and 10.5-to-11.5″.

      Those in turn were replaced by the “software guys”, who learned some design package in school. They still input “garbage in”, but often they don’t even know what formula the “solver” is applying to turn GI to GO. And that’s how you get pedestrian bridges that fall and buildings that collapse.

      And it’s not all even on the schools; part of it is management. A manager, not an engineer, or one who always followed the management track, evaluates two reports. One solution is “195.20191” and the other is “somewhere around two hundred.” Obviously, the two hundred guys don’t know what they’re talking about, and that manager’s own managers would be much happier with a precise number than a vague one, because most of them are probably MBAs who expect everything to calculate out neatly.

      • You can always tell Management, you just can’t tell them much.

        • I had that as “You can always tell Management, you just don’t dare tell them the truth.”

        • You can tell management, but you can’t make them listen.

          • Also true of engineers. Being an operator who operates the systems engineers design, I’ve had to tell more than one engineer that their idea is great, but it doesn’t work except in theory.

            They really don’t like being told they’re wrong, especially if you can prove it.

            • “The difference between theory and reality; in theory, there is no difference.”

              Bad design engineers should be wary of what production engineers call “the back-alley design review”. Tire iron optional, but recommended.

            • Depends on the engineer. Some of us learned as much from line guys as did in school.

              Others designed mcas

          • You can lead a manager to water, but if you drown him then you’ve got a start…l

      • BobtheRegisterredFool

        Post bookmarked because of this comment.

      • During most of my career one hot path to fame and fortune was to get your BSE followed by an MBA. Fast track to middle if not upper management. Trouble being that the infamous MBA always seemed to destroy the native common sense most engineers are born with as well as teaching as gospel that all workers must be treated as identical interchangeable parts.

        • With the additional idea that any knowledge not accompanied by an Official Degree is worthless. So, the views of someone who has been doing something on a daily basis for decades is worth far less than someone who did it in a lab for a couple of years.

          • Couple that with the common “If it wasn’t part of my curriculum, it’s not worth knowing.”

            Maybe it’s part of “Learning that little bit was really hard, and now I’m not going to learn anything else.”

            I once had a manager who had some impressive scholastic credentials; he had a *degree* in COBOL. I’m sure he was good at it. But he made it obvious he wasn’t interested in learning anything else. So in order to explain what I was doing, I had to learn some COBOL so I could put it in terms he could understand. Add to that he was from the mainframe batch job days, and he’d never managed to come to term with PCs. As in, he wouldn’t touch a keyboard unless he had to. He still dictated correspondence to his secretary, and didn’t use the internal email system at all.

      • Watching the ST-TOS reruns, I always got a chuckle out of Spock’s unnecessary precision (we’ll skip the occasional physical impossibilities for now).

      • analytical-engine-mechanic

        Growing up (“in the 1960s”) and long before anyone would have “assigned” me such things as “problems” to solve, I learned to use an old slide rule as my second go-to calculation device.

        It’s amazing in that it’s not only analog, but gives you an entire family of related solutions (if the probelm is simple or simplifiable enough) at a glance.

        My first aid to calculation was, no kidding, a table of logarithms. Very early-20th, 19th or earlier, century…

  7. we need to change the world, because the world needs changing.

    Well, that would explain the smell. AND the crankiness.

  8. “A post-water world.” OK, if you live in a place that 1. depends purely on an aquifer that no longer recharges and 2. is required by state and federal law to send all cleaned waste water downstream for other people and 3. can’t build a desalination plant for brine because of anti-nuclear Greenie-weenies, and 4. your city insists on everyone landscaping as if you lived in Seattle, then yes, you’re eventually going to be in a spot of bother. Oh, and you have uncovered outdoor swimming pools with an evaporation rate of “Oh Good Lord!”

    For the rest of us? Well, we can change crops, we can use a different irrigation style, we can landscape differently after we vote out the twits on the Council and knock sense into the Planning and Zoning Board, we can see about changing state law to allow a certain percentage of water to be reused (greywater irrigation systems) or even keep back some purified water to ease pressure on the aquifer, and we can do other realistic, won’t-hurt-people things while developing new technologies and crop or turf-grass hybrids.

    Hey, where’d that soap-box come from? Shoo, shoo, go away, get, shoo!

    • Here in San Diego:

      We are still flushing two million toilets with drinking water.

      There was a segment on the news a couple of years ago; people were getting fines from several ‘homeowners associations’ for replacing their lawns with drought-tolerant plants, or rocks.

      • I’ve heard that San Diego has its own desalinization plants, and managed to keep the resulting water away from the state government.

      • I believe that ‘Homeowners’ Association’ is defined in the Hitchiker’s Guide as “A bunch of mindless jerks who’ll be the first against the we all when the Revolution comes.”

        • See YardSaleOfTheMind’s post on “how they get that way”

          All it takes are a few useless busybodies to pack the board and sack the useful people (No, the master gardener cannot handle the landscaping plan. It must be a board ~level position. Yes that means you cannot just do the work and report quarterly, you have to attend every meeting -now monthly- and stay for the whole thing. You say you have a sick husband? Demanding job? Other impediment? Tant pis.)

          Because nobody shows up to stop them (And yes, I’m guilty of that too, though some is just being a N00b, and not wanting to butt in, just offer a helping hand to any ongoing projects)

          • One of my favorite HOA stories concerned a brand new development, with only three (so far) residents. They were told they HAD to join the HOA, so they held the first meeting, and passed a resolution to disband it unanimously.

            • We were told, some 20 years after we bought the house, that there was an HOA … pulled out the deed, etc. Nope. (we’d checked before we bought) … Told them to go away. FWIW our yard ain’t perfect, but it is decent. Oh. I knew the targets, at the time, … good luck with the banks …

          • It’s also bad when the Town Council runs like a tyrannical HOA.

      • during the severe drought in iirc, 2014… a couple in Glendora, CA were getting fined $500 by the city for not keeping their lawn green.

        …if they used enough water to keep it green, the city would fine them $500 for using too much water during the drought.

    • While the water shortage in some places is approaching “dire”, much of the rest of the country has a surfeit. Part of the Interstate going into Little Rock is built on pylons over swampland… yet we’re mandated to use “water saving” appliances that don’t work very well, because *somewhere else* is too dry.

      • We were back East, settling my in-laws estate. In the real estate agent’s office, I happened to mention that I was going to patch a few places in the back yard and arrange for someone to come by and water / mow it once in a while.

        Agent was horrified – “You can’t do that! We’re in the middle of a drought!”

        Happened that the office had a view of the Connecticut River. I looked at the river, looked at the agent, looked at the river, looked at the agent, blinked…

        Spouse was with me, so I said not a word.

        • There has been water in the river when the grasses were all a nasty straw-colored yellow.

        • When we moved to New England from Texas back in 1985, our new landlord mentioned that there was a bit of a drought – it hadn’t rained in three weeks. We were moving from an area where it hadn’t rained in three months, and nobody was talking drought yet.

      • Even in the driest years, my well produces more than enough water for my family. I’m told it’s where a natural spring was and that the well was dug there.

        Had to work on it this summer and lowered a pump in and pumped > 20 GPM out of it for 4 hours. Lowered the level 6 inches. But whatever silt had gotten in there, from wherever it came from, was gone.

        Next day water level was higher than when I started. I’m not certain how bad a drought we’d need for me to suffer a water shortage.

    • Post-water world. I’m part amphibian. I’ve lived in mainly humid areas. Moisture just … occurs even with the sun shining. (Known as “Devil beating his wife”) Would be interesting to not have to worry about freshwater flash flooding. This was obviously not said by anyone who lives near a large tributary which is allowed to meander. But what I guess they meant was plebs will be forced into water shortages. I know they told some rural folks to get city water they had to cap their well and stop having cisterns. Rural folks, with cattle, told city to go pound sand.

    • Mom moved to Pheonix in the 80s to be closer to her mom and due to the dry climate’s effects on her allergies. Loved not having to mow, just having to sweep the rocks in the yard once in a while.

      She’s complained how after decades of idiots (my word) moving there and emplacing green lawns to water and swimming pools in the middle of a desert, the humidity is up and so are her allergies and water bills.

      • Nothing wrong with a swimming pool in the desert, as long as it’s enclosed to prevent evaporation, and to condense any evaporate back into the pool.

        • as long as it’s enclosed to prevent evaporation, and to condense any evaporate back into the pool.

          And therin lies the rub. If enclosing them is standard practice in the Phoenix area it sure doesn’t look like it looking down on approach to the airport, or driving around various neighborhoods.

    • There are some countries who might have to deal with that as well–China, India, and SE Asia to be precise. Us, not so much.

  9. Your comments about being ‘rich’ took me back 60 years to postwar Britain. We had a freehold house but struggled to pay the mortgage, of course, especially when my Joan became pregnant with our daughter and had to give up work..Were we rich by the ‘Greta’ scale? No double-glazing, no central heating, no insulation for walls or roof, and a coal-fired back boiler in the only heated room. Now, the indigent are provided by taxpayers as ‘human rights’ with all the things that we saved and struggled for. And that stupid girl wants to take them away from us in order to somehow stop the warming effect of solar output – no doubt when the ‘global cooling/new Ice Age’ mob regains the propaganda levers she’ll suddenly have a Damascene conversion to that.

    • Greta, or as I call her, “Scoldilocks” is a mind-damaged and abused child, being exploited by cynical people who ought to know better … but have their marching orders already.
      The worst offenders are her parents.

      • yep, the only thing that ruined/is ruining her life is her Marxist-actor parents who decided to train their borderline-mongoloid child as a stalking horse for their Marxist politics.(it IS Sweden after all…)

      • Back in the old days they’d just break her legs and put her on a cart with a begging cup.

        They wouldn’t have broken her mind before she hit puberty. I doubt she will ever be able to lead a normal life.

        • Give it about 10 years, and some pretty horrific stories will come out about how her parents mistreated and used her.

          • Meh; make it fifteen years, which is long enough for her to write her book after realizing how baldly they lied to her.

  10. Countries where the individual can’t benefit from his/her toil are mired in perpetual poverty.

    *looks at Mexico, where the Cartels are getting public enough even our news is showing it*

    Yep.

    • looks at Mexico

      I am not sanguine about this.

      A Drug Cartel Just Defeated The Mexican Military In Battle
      The southwest U.S. border might be quieter now than it was this spring at the height of the migrant crisis, but south of the Rio Grande the Mexican state is disintegrating.

      Last Thursday in the city of Culiacan, the capital of Sinaloa state, a battle erupted between government forces and drug cartel gunmen after the Mexican military captured two sons of jailed drug kingpin Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman. The elder son, Ivan, was quickly freed by his men, who overpowered government forces and secured his release. Ivan then launched an all-out siege of the entire city in an effort to free his younger brother, Ovidio.

      The ensuing scene could have been mistaken for Syria or Yemen. Footage posted on social media Thursday showed burning vehicles spewing black smoke, heavily armed gunmen blocking roads, dead bodies strewn in the streets, and residents fleeing for cover amid high-caliber gunfire.

      Armed with military-grade weapons and driving custom-built armored vehicles, cartel henchmen targeted security forces throughout Culiacan, launching more than one dozen separate attacks on Mexican security forces. They captured and held hostage eight soldiers, then kidnapped their families. Amid the fighting, an unknown number of inmates escaped from a nearby prison. At least eight people were killed and more than a dozen were injured.

      The eight-hour battle ended when government forces, outgunned and surrounded, without reinforcements or a way to retreat, received an order directly from Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador to release their prisoner and surrender. Lopez Obrador later defended this decision, insisting that his security strategy is working and saying, “Many people were at risk and it was decided to protect people’s lives. I agreed with that, because we don’t do massacres, that’s over.”

      [END EXCERPT]

      • …Oof.

        Guy on another forum who lives in Mexico remarked on a recent and startling call from some senator there for people to “arm yourselves legally because the government has shown it can’t protect you.”

        • Alas, Mexico lives in a permanent state of civil war, alternated with brief periods of prosperous repression.
          I’ve lost track of how many bouts of civil war they have experienced, starting from 1824, when they managed to convince Spain to let go.
          Texas lives with the ebb and flow of refugees from whatever current internal war is going on in Mexico.

          • And they blame us for all of them.

          • The fighting men of Mexico have always been good but their leadership not so much. Get this they brought Santa Anna back and put him in power 11 times! After the first couple you would think they would go with someone else but NO they went with him. They have had revolution after revolution and civil wars past counting but NEVER a GOOD government.
            Now they have a failed central government and warlords.
            Does the US Media raise the alarm this needs? NO! They are too busy spinning it, nothing to see here, the president did the right thing, etc..

        • Illegally? They have horrific gun laws.

      • BobtheRegisterredFool

        And people say I’m too bloody minded.

        Lots of uncertainty.

        Look at worst case scenarios to much, especially ones with bad elements warped by my crazy thinking, and I start coming up with unusual answers to ‘how can we stop this’ and ‘what should we do to stop this’.

        The diseases of the left are not diseases because the left has them and I do not. We are all very human, and pathological behaviors are pathological no matter who does them.

      • The only thing I’m surprised about is that they’re reporting on it.

      • You know, Turkey is implementing this idea we could follow. Set up a 10 mile buffer zone along the southern border, and tell the mayors if they can’t maintain law and order we will – and they can request help from our military if they don’t trust theirs.

      • Go Read The Whole Thing, and note the part about the last open warfare period in Mexico and its impact on U.S. border towns – the cross border attacks and fighting were enough for the U.S. to mobilize and eventually cross the border and occupy parts of Mexico just to buffer the fighting.

        This is just another of the many, many, many reasons to make sure we’re not suffering under a Comrade Bernie or Chief Squaw Warren administration when that inevitable first major raid across the border against a U.S. city happens.

        • There will be no RAIDS this time. The Cartels are already here. They will be fighting among themselves and taking over businesses to help them launder their money.
          The thing is MS13 is very visible and their tats can make them easy targets but the Cartels will be harder to target when that has to be done. Law Enforcement is not ready and cannot be ready for the Cartels. The LE model doesn’t work against them, see the above story.

          • I’m not sure – the cartels and gangs and triads and whatever they call the Russian mafia these days (FSB?) certainly have people in the US, but I would be astonished if they have warehouses full of up-armored HMG technicals sitting around in El Cajon and Tucson and Los Cruces and San Antonio waiting for the balloon to go up – it would be too lucrative ratting any one of those warehouses out to the Feds even if all the local PD were fully paid off.

            So if you have your stout cartel fellows sitting around in the US playing cards, but your armor (terminology falls short on what I saw in those vids – maybe cavalry?) on the other side of the border where it’s easier to purchase police and government officials who will stay bought, and you suddenly have a need to shoot up a US town, I think you still have to mount that cross-border raid.

            • Your intuition is correct.

              They do keep trying, for what it’s worth– but between their habit of killing bought cops when they get expensive, and our police being very reluctant to deliver their expensive weapons in any manner but bullets first, and the way the country is soaked in legally armed civilians who at WORST figure it’s better to be tried by 12 than carried by six, and at best know the cops are likely to shake their hand and say ‘thanks’.

              They can get a foot in if they stay very hidden, or if they find a place where the cops aren’t allowed to enforce the laws. Gang areas, some tribal areas, and of course places with lots of illegals.

              • Soon to include most any place in Oregon … well east of the Cascades might be safer. Thank you, ever so much, Governor Brown … gezzz

                /sarcasm JIC not clear.

                • I have a suspicion, based on nothing I can really point at besides an odd sort of pattern of people suddenly showing up with cash, that a LOT of the liberal stupidity is being funded by the cartels. Probably very deniable, one or two layers of washing.

                  On the upside, they have to be actually overwhelming. You can have two dozen young thugs taking over a Mexican town of 200+, because they’re disarmed.
                  Even if you have the support of the police, in the style of Antifa’s “protests,” that doesn’t work with an armed population.

                  *sigh* Of course, the same intuition tells me that some of the nuttier Libertarians are probably getting funding from the same place, especially when it comes to making it so the police are worthless.

                  • BobtheRegisterredFool

                    Let’s hope you are wrong.

                    Because if you are not wrong, there is a chance that I am not wrong.

                  • Amsel, Matthew

                    Doesn’t even work with a mostly disarmed who decide to get… inventive.

                    • *points at head* We’re not disarmed up here.

                      Up here, we tend to think of it as a temporary, tactical disadvantage– as best I can tell, most places don’t do that.

                    • Amsel, Matthew

                      As the man said, there are no dangerous weapons, only dangerous men.

                      You guys seem to have that bit covered.

              • You mean like Houston, San Antonio, El Paso, Austin, Brownsville, and Dallas?

                • *snort* Those are pansy numbers, try places where the neighborhood is either 90% illegal (or anchor baby), or the PC idiots think Paris’s no-go areas are a great idea and won’t let the cops enforce the law.

                  My bet is that both Seattle and Portland are having a big surge because of their “oh, they’re homeless, ignore them” laws.

            • And on a tactical note:

              Those up-armored cartel HMG “Technicals” seen in the videos might be just ricky-tick against your local neighborhood rifle platoon engaged at street level, but anyone with a glass container, flammable liquid, a rag, a lighter and a second-floor window would do for them with no problem other than throwing arm accuracy and preparation of rapid route of retreat.

              And none of this mentions the Fuerza Aérea Mexicana – a good door gunner in a sufficiently aggressively flown Huey or Blackhawk would make carteling in those open-top armored gun trucks a major challenge, to say nothing of the ground attack fixed wing (PC-7s and MD-500 configured with guns and rockets) that could have been there pretty darn quickly.

              The apparent absence of reinforcements and airpower deployment all makes me wonder if Presidente Obrador was really all that torn up when he ordered the surrender and return of the captured offspring.

              • “The apparent absence of reinforcements and airpower deployment all makes me wonder if Presidente Obrador was really all that torn up when he ordered the surrender and return of the captured offspring.”

                Mike, Obrador faced the same situation a President Beto or Swallowswell would during a total gun confiscation….. only he was smart enough to recognize it.

                Do you have any concept of how much collateral damage airstrikes you’re describing would have wreaked? Given the average construction, a .50 cal round (no matter who was firing it) would have gone through the buildings the long way and never slowed down. Let alone firing rockets, missiles, dropping bombs, etc. All the cartel would have done is pulled into built up terrain or out of town, and let the pilots fire away.

                Afterward, the cartels would have pointed out that they weren’t the ones dropping military grade ordnance indiscriminately……

                That’s precisely the situation the police and military will face here when they try gun confiscation.

                And that doesn’t even count the question of how many of the Mexican pilots refused to do it because their families lived in areas within the cartel’s reach…. or our military facing the same situation.

                • “I didn’t want to add to the damage the open insurrection and armed rebellion against duly elected governmental authority was already causing by sending in air or reinforcements, so I told the Army to surrender.”

                  OK, then. Nice country you had there. Too bad you hit “bad luck”.

      • I have family in Tucson; I hope the conflict doesn’t expand.

      • I was remarking, day before yesterday, that one of these days we’re going to end up taking over Mexico because having a failed state on our southern border isn’t something we can tolerate.
        I also said that I didn’t want that to happen in my lifetime, mostly because it would probably finish turning us into an empire.

      • Of course Fred Reed would deny anything bad was happening in Mexico; it’s all the U.S.’s fault.

  11. the older left rose up to say at least she was fighting for change.

    So was Hitler, so they’re saying she’s just like Hitler?

  12. It’s a truism that there are more ways to be wrong than to be right. It’s a truism because by plain fact it’s true. Indeed, since there are unlimited ways to be wrong but only finite ways to be right, being wrong, without some guidance from something–whether it’s check against outcomes or whatever–is infinitely more likely than being right.

    Likewise, when one wants to “change the world”, or the related demand that politicians “do something” about some perceived problem, it is far, far more likely that any given “change”, any given “something”, will make matters worse than when you started.

    Thus, any change must be entered into with fear and trepidation, always on the lookout for anything to suggest whether the change is making matters worse and needs to be rolled back or outright reversed.

    The problem is that entirely too many people want something done now and there are always politicians ready to pander to it. And when, as is usually the case, the “fix” is worse than what it was supposed to fix, why excuses abound and finger pointing is easy. At the least, they can always claim “it would have been worse if we hadn’t…”

    Economics has been called “the dismal science” because of scarcity and no solutions that satisfy everyone. Well, you know what? Politics makes Economics look positively Pollyannaish.

  13. >“living in harmony with nature.”

    Interesting how the people who demand that the most live in cities, which are basically urban machines of water, sewage, electricity, transport, and communications infrastructure.

    The only “nature” they ever see close enough to touch is in sidewalk planters and carefully-tended city parks, only slightly less unnatural than hydroponics.

    Farmers, lumberjacks, ranchers, and fishermen tend to have a much different idea about “nature”…

  14. So, instead of thinking of changing the world by telling others how to live, think on how to change the world by how YOU live, and what you dedicate your (yes, all too short) life to.

    You can start by cleaning up your room, your house, your yard and by getting off my lawn!

  15. > An interstellar drive. A virtually free form of energy that even the greens can’t object to.

    The Hell they wouldn’t… Green is just a subset of Liberal, and the *last* thing any of them want is anyone escaping their jackboot or doing something without their permission.

    They’d unhappen it if they could, ban it if they couldn’t, and try to regulate it to death when that didn’t work.

    The Incas didn’t use the wheel. They knew about wheels; we’ve found what appear to be toys with them. But they didn’t use the wheel for commerce or construction, even though it would have been fantastically useful in their mountainous terrain.

    I can make a pretty good guess as to why they didn’t use the wheel, and it doesn’t have anything to do with them not figuring out how useful it would have been.,..

    • For one, they’d have to create bridges that could handle beasts of burden (including people) with wheelbarrows or carts. That’s not easily accomplished with rope. Wood being in very, very short supply, enough so that the Inca started a reforesting project.

      • The Incas built plenty of other stuff with stone, clearly demonstrating that they understood the principles of load-bearing arches. There’s no technical reason they couldn’t have built arched stone bridges just like was done in Roman Europe, perfectly capable of handling beasts of burden or heavily-loaded wheeled carts.

        • They had llamas as beasts of burden. Not nearly hefty and strong enough for wagons to be an advantage over pack animals.

          • Breeding programs could have developed stronger, bigger llamas and alpacas. Europe and Asia were breeding animals for millennia to get desired characteristics.

            Apparently they never tried to domesticate bison either. I’m certain the ancestors of modern cows and oxen were just as irascible.

            • No. The lack of metals and smaller animals to domesticate seem to have played a role in not domesticating bison. Some anthropologists think the lack of horses also contributed (much, much harder to handle large animals on foot than on horseback.)

            • The Russians did manage to domesticate moose for draft animals. The biggest problem with moose is they are primarily a browsing animal; and the easiest draft animals to care for are grazers. So the long term trick would be to breed moose that would subsist more on grasses and aquatic plants than tree branches.

              Funny, the Russians could do it, but our oh so enlightened native Americans never did.

      • The Chinese used wheelbarrows on rope bridges long before the Inca. They worked like the wheels on ski lifts.

  16. > Extinction Rebellion

    Of course, police are “investigating” the citizens who dragged the crazies off their trains and beat the snot out of them, because citizens doing reasonable things are far more of a threat than “protesters” who cost the city millions of pounds in lost work, slipped schedules, and police hours.

    But at least the people Canning Town showed that the average Briton still has *some* backbone, and perhaps the next time some other group decides to pull a stunt like that, it won’t be just people at one station who object.

    • Any government that allows “activists” to run amok and violate laws willy nilly, but punishes citizens for trying to reign in the “activists” cause, is illegitimate.

    • Sounds like a straightforward argument for jury nullification.

      • Jury nullification only really works because of the constitutional prohibition on double jeopardy. Does the unwritten UK constitution still preserve that, or has it evolved to be more inline with the EU’s concept of elections?

        • There are two possibilities where it works –

          Double jeopardy is one. The other is that the prosecutors get tired of retrying the guy, and give up in disgust. A jury nullification in this sort of case *should* serve as a red flag to the barristers that maybe they should bsck off, though it’s anyone’s guess whether they would acknowledge it.

    • “But at least the people Canning Town showed that the average Briton still has *some* backbone….”

      That, or it’s proof of a maxim I wish I could remember the source of but have never forgotten: “Ninety-nine men out of a hundred are more sincerely enraged by a personal inconvenience than by a distant atrocity.”

  17. God bless and may the writing go well.

  18. I’m shocked not to have seen this quote make an appearance yet: “Perfect is the enemy of the good.”

  19. Sure! Let’s Change the World!

    We will start with the Great Strikedown Party; where we go through our entire legal code and ditch every law that violates any part of the Constitution…

    Oh that wasn’t the change you wanted was it?

    • Not going to be a very long-term solution as long as the people who propose, enact, and enforce those unconstitutional laws are free to fine or jail people.

  20. Off Topic for this thread, but on topic for the common blog theme of the institutions breaking down….

    I’ve been avoiding discussions on the Ft. Worth murder because those are always a dumpster fire. Usually Cop Haters vs Cops trying to prove them right.

    Last night I saw a link to a particular comment on arfcom (below). And from skimming the thread I found something far more disturbing than the normal dumpster fire: instead of cop-haters vs cops, it was reasonable people trying to get the cops to wake the hell up versus cops (as usual) trying to prove the haters right.

    I’m both shocked and awestruck that anyone in this country, or abroad for that matter, would have to ask that question [why do cops need as many friends as they can get right now?]. People like us are pretty much the last friends they have left.

    Quite frankly, I’m disturbed by how this thread has come out. It’s basically cop vs. civilian, with very few exceptions. Considering the demographic on this site, namely very conservative, law abiding Americans, it’s plain to see that they’re losing the support of the very people who have historically been their biggest advocates.

    And instead of taking it as a wakeup call, they seem to be in lockstep agreement to double down and continue in the same direction they’re going. This thread is indicative of something a lot like an intervention, when that last person who’s always been your biggest champion is like, Dude, I love you, but if you don’t change, we can’t be friends anymore. And continuing that analogy, the person is all like, Screw you, man, you don’t know me!

    To put it bluntly, I would be scared shitless if I were in law enforcement right now, when the people who were my only advocates throughout the entire BLM fiasco were pulling their support. The very people who were and are the only thing standing between me and an angry mob that has been incited by politicians foaming at the mouth to have my head on a platter.

    It’s scary for us, too, because law and order is the only thing standing between us and complete anarchy at the hands of people like Antifa. But at the same time we as law abiding citizens are starting to feel like law enforcement is more of a threat to our liberties than an asset for law and order. We see them standing by and watching as groups like Antifa hurt people and destroy property, not to mention prevent free speech that’s central to our republic, but then come out with jackboots against ordinary, law abiding people, often with tragic results.

    I had no idea how bad things had really gotten. Suffice it to say, this thread has been both illuminating and terrifying.

    I don’t know where this situation will lead. But it is nowhere good.

    • Dude, it is so much worse.

      “It’s scary for us, too, because law and order is the only thing standing between us and complete anarchy at the hands of people like Antifa.”

      No. COPS are the reason there even -is- an Antifa, and everybody knows it.

      • George Soros and Karl Marx, I can see (funding and ideology, at least in Portlandia). LEO? I don’t see it.

        • The good thing about cops and soldiers is that they follow orders.
          The bad thing about cops and soldiers is that they follow orders.

          In the case of Antifa, the cops are ordered to let them do whatever they want. Up to and including beating people. The cops are also ordered to arrest anybody who tries to stop Antifa doing what they want.

          In Canada this business was first noticed in 2006, when a bunch of Indians (most of whom were from New York state USA) took over the road leading to Caledonia and began beating people up, stopping cars, etc. OPP showed up and surrounded them, then TURNED AWAY to face the people who were getting beat up and having their cars stopped, to make sure none of the “demonstrators” got hurt. They were taking the rocks and bottles of the demonstrators on the backs of their helmets.

          Same thing a couple of weeks ago in Hamilton, we had Antifa North show up to deplatform a political party during an election, cops stood around and let them. No arrests, no charges.

          Is there lots of Antifa shit going down in Phoenix AZ? No! Because why? Because Joe Average is armed, that’s why. They don’t want to die for their cause. They want -you- to die for their cause.

          To repeat, there’s no Antifa without the cops. LEOs might want to do something about that.

          • OK, I’ll buy that premise. Do the Provincial Police get spine-ectomies before or after hiring? Or, are they selected from Antifa?

            We’re considerably to the redneck-right of Phoenix; Antifa might possibly have looked at the 30%+ take rate for concealed carry and opted for friendlier territory.

            In general, I don’t think it’s as bad in the States. If the Portland news is somewhat accurate, the police have been hands off during the riots. AFAIK, the most-pro rioter PD was San Jose in the 2016 campaign, where SJPD steered Trump rally-goers away from the parking garage and into the waiting masses of rioters.

            I think honest, thinking LEOs are getting the hell out of the left wing cities, though as folks have noted, there are a bunch who will do their time til retirement with highest priority getting home safe and unbloodied. If a bunch of MAGA hat-wearers get clobbered, too bad. OTOH, it’s a metastable situation, and I doubt it’s going to last into 2020, or sooner.

            • The saying is “all policing is local”. What flies in the People’s Democratic Republics won’t fly in the other parts of the country.
              Tyranny needs the consent of a supermajority of the people to work.

            • “Do the Provincial Police get spine-ectomies before or after hiring?”

              The Ontario Provincial Police are unionized public employees. Their hiring appears to be aimed at getting union guys who “fit in.” They certainly select out anyone with initiative, brains or guts. Paperwork and rule-following are in.

              So you end up with Caledonia, where all the OPP were sitting around in their cop cars, angry and bored with watching people get beat up by the demonstrators. But still quite willing to sit there and take the overtime money, thank you very much. Same story at Mohawk College a couple weeks ago, standing around while Antifa did whatever they wanted.

          • Some of them do– and they get fired, in those places aiming to protect AntiFa, and move someplace more sane.

            There’s a reason that places with AntiFa tend to have horrible retention rates and trouble hiring LEOs.

    • A friend owned a gun shop and had a lot of interaction with law enforcement, both as customers, as well as trainers for shooting skills. One trainer was a former cop, and came up with this gem describing LEO attitudes:

      “There’s three types of people:
      Cops.
      Cop’s families.
      And the rest of you assholes.”

      OTOH, I knew some of the LEO’s myself, and *most* were decent folks. This was in the ’80s and just around the Rodney King incident. FWIW, the real jerks didn’t seem to care about shooting or developing shooting skills. Despite the weaponization of the police forces, I’m not sure that situation has really changed. Now you just have a heavily armed (but not really trained) jerk.

      • I have personally heard people divided into three groups by cops: There’s Cops, Perps, and Civilians, including Cops families in the Cops category along with Firefighters (maybe). The specific discussion I had included a note that as Cops get more years on the job, they have to consciously fight automatically classing Civilians more and more along with Perps.

        Then go up and read the linked story about the open combat in Culiacan, Mexico – note that the cartel surrounded and pinned down the unit that arrested and refused to release their bad guy, shot up the city with heavy weapons as a general statement, and dispatched strike teams against the families of members of those arresting units. And that was the actual turning point on getting their guy released.

        I am certain that various police intelligence units are writing this up for their intel briefs now, and on the other side the bad guys are certainly taking note as well.

        I think most police are good people in that job for good reasons, but the public discourse the last few years have been tough on police morale nationwide.

        And November 2020 is just a year hence.

        • I think your take is more universal. I also think that the example I mentioned was from one of the very rare jerks who was interested in shooting/training.

          It’s going to be interesting with the Mexico situation. I can see both sides using death squads, though from what I read, the cartels spent time and effort to create light armor and to train their people.

          I live about 800 miles from the Mexican border. Hope it’s far enough. OTOH, I’m pretty close to California.

      • Funny, I used to hang around a gun shop in NY that had a lot of police customers. Some few were gun guys, very knowledgeable, pretty willing to share on non-work news.

        Most were lucky to know which end the bullets came out. Couldn’t hit a barn from the inside. Didn’t care either.

        One guy was a detective on some Big Smoking Deal bank robbery squad in New York City. He brought in his daily-carry service piece, it was steel-framed S&W Chief’s Special if memory serves, five-shot .38 snubbie. He professed great pride that he had never drawn it on the job.

        Well, good thing he didn’t try to fire that pistol. The crane was rusted in place. The cylinder did revolve, but would not flip out to unload/reload the chambers. It took an hour for the proprietor to work enough penetrating oil into the hinge to be able to bang it open with a hammer and a punch. The barrel was in exactly the condition one would expect given the hinge, a hideous mess of rust. A bullet -might- have made it all the way out, but only just to dribble out the end and fall on the floor at his feet.

        From that I understood that many cops have minds that work in ways that I do not understand, and I should not count on them to show up with the right stuff in working order when it hits the fan. But some think like me, and have all their kit sorted at all times. So it all depends who you get and what day it is.

        Very reassuring.

    • I’ve been remembering the day that my assistant principal came to my high school sociology class to talk about lynch mobs … see, he was from Skidmore, MO, where somehow 46 witnesses in broad daylight didn’t see who shot Ken McElroy, the town drunk and all-around worthless POS.

      In the end, the cops and the judicial system don’t exist to protect citizens from criminals; they’re to protect the accused from the rough music of a pissed off citizenry. And well … if they aren’t willing to make sure anti-social behavior is handled through the proper channels, then the citizens will punish anti-social behavior with all the target accuracy and moderation one can expect from a mob.

      • In an earlier thread, somebody noted that if the police are standing between sufficiently ticked-off citizenry and Antifa, they will cease to be an obstacle. The amount of pain delivered to the former-obstacles to be determined by circumstances.

        • Same for the “bad apples” that they just can’t seem to be bothered to get rid of.

          • The original expression was “one bad apple spoils the whole bunch.” A single bad apple, if not immediately and permanently removed from the bunch, spreads its rot to the others.

            I submit that when “a few bad apples” is used as an excuse rather than as something that immediately and permanently needs to be removed, the rot has already spread.

      • Vigilante justice is the default state.
        If the Justice System does not dispense justice, reversion to mean is inevitable.

      • Something like that happened in Georgia while I lived there. The county bully and drunk was found deceased, having committed suicide by shooting himself several times in the back with a 30-06. No one knew a thing, no one saw a thing, and everyone in the county had an alibi.

      • A very old friend of mine grew up on the Texas Frontier (though he didn’t realize it until later… he just thought they lived next to Mexico and everyone everywhere kept a loaded rifle in each room corner). He explained that they didn’t have any crime there, because they didn’t have any police. Occasionally someone would get out of line (perhaps get drunk or screw around too much too publicly, or beat his wife, or abuse his horse or some such thing), and the War Widows (who he explained kept a continuous party line going and seemed to know everything in town as it happened) would tell the Church Deacons. The Deacons would then go over and have a stern talk with the troublemaker. The local Church Deacons, he explained, didn’t even bother to wear hoods because it was so small a community everyone knew who everyone else was anyways… and on the first talk they’d be careful not to injure anyone so much that they couldn’t still work their farm or ranch.

        He reported that there had been a problem with some Banditos coming over the border from Mexico and raiding isolated farms (why everyone kept the rifles handy) when he was very young… and that one of his earliest memories was of seeing and smelling all of the bloated dead bodies that the Rangers had staked out along the railroad tracks to both let the locals know the problem had been dealt with and to remind the Mexican banditos what happened if they strayed north of the river.

  21. It’s time for RAH’s ‘Bad Luck’ quote:
    “Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

    This is known as “bad luck.”

  22. Gnosticism is a common component of Christian heresies. It’s no suprise that it’s included here.

    The serpent’s promise from days of yore would be the same offer he’d make today; “Ye shall be as gods”.

  23. Kenneth Mitchell

    I recall reading a quote about how badly the younger generation was behaving, and that the world was going to hell.

    The quote was from Aristotle.

    • The quote was from Aristotle.

      The problem with that is that just because the same problems come up again and again does not mean they aren’t problems and don’t need to be addressed. Sowell in one of the books of his that I listened to on Audible recently (Vision of the Annointed maybe? That was the most recent for me) made exactly that point. People in the late 19th century complaining about the deterioration in morals in the country and people pointing to that saying “see? People have been complaining of that forever so there’s not really anything to worry about.” He then went on to say 1) how evidence did support that the problems being complained about were on the rise at the time 2) how society actually responded to those problems with strong push-back including among other things the temperance movement (which caused its own problem a generation later, but that’s a different story) and 3) how the results of that push back improved things, at least for a while.

      So, yeah, the same problems tend to recur. And they need to be dealt with when they do.

      • “…The problem with that is that just because the same problems come up again and again does not mean they aren’t problems and don’t need to be addressed… ”

        Exactly. Young people screwing up by the numbers (sex, drugs, skiving off, thinking their limited experience is the Summa of wisdom) is as old as humanity.

        Almost as old: realising you can cut these kids off from the wisdom and example of their elders and use them as cannon fodder.

    • I have a quote from an Ancient Sumerian tablet that says the same. Kids these days!

      • What does “get off my lawn” look like in ancient Sumerian?

        • Since my non-fiction collection is upstairs, I will have to wait to answer this one.

        • Dated to 2000 BC, cuniform on a clay tablet, (according to the author of Like it was, Like It Is) and recorded by the SON of a reproachful father:

          I, never in all my life, did I make you carry reeds to the canebrake. The reed rushes which the the young and the little carry, you , never in your life did you carry them […long list of onerous Sumerarian jobs which the son didn’t have to do to bring in money for his dad. Not like those other sons, who brought in 10 gur EACH…] “I night and day am tortured because of you. Night and day you waste in pleasure.”

          Yeah. I finally got upstairs…

    • And during and after Aristotle’s time, Athens really was crashing and burning.

  24. No one is saying the world is perfect.

    But a lot of people are claiming that they can improve it — without being challenged for their CVs, their plans, or any guarantees about satisfaction or our money back.

    The late Robert Nozick, in his big book Anarchy, State, and Utopia, took a radical approach to socio-political-economic perfection. He postulated an “experimentation state” in which each of is would be free to create what we imagine to be a utopia, under two conditions:
    1) No one can be forced to live in anyone else’s utopia;
    2) Anyone is free to leave for another person’s concept of utopia, or to construct his own.

    What is the steady state of such an arrangement — if any?

    “Perfection,” in the socio-economic-political sense or any other, is a mirage.

  25. There is a major paradox here.
    God’s perfect plan uses imperfect people.

    What is important to understand is that it is not about doing good things, but learning to hear God, and join His plan. The image of Peter walking on water or Elijah traveling to the widow are examples. You know it is God you hear when your response is:
    “You want me to do WHAT?”

    Often the hardest part is the wait for the proper time. This is an important message for us today. God has not abandoned us, it just feels like it.

  26. Christopher M. Chupik

    Enjoy your mockery while you can, eco-scoffer! The Prophet of Twitter hath spoken!

    • No worries- most of those things disappeared back around 2010!
      According to the various Eco Prophets of Doom, that is.

    • 10 years out, always 10 (or 12) years out.

      Will the ice be gone? No, not even the most severe warming will melt all the ice in 10 years, and that only if warming doesn’t increase snowfall and thickness of the snow pack.

      Some really cool progress is being made on regrowing coral reefs. I don’t know what the state of the Great Barrier Reef is at present, maybe Dave Freer does.

      The Amazon Rainforest isn’t going anywhere, and if we warm, the tropical “rainforest” zone will probably become broader.

      85% of Earth’s wildlife… now he’s just making stuff up.

      Water is political… so he might be right about that one. If we can’t even desalinate without greenies having fits, he might well be right.

      Food production *could* become unreliable if the greenies succeed in outlawing modern agriculture.

      The climate will be no less “safe”. Dear doggies.

      And Human existence? I thought these people hated humanity. We’re certainly likely to be in a population spiral that will need attention in 10 years. Have babies, people!

      • Speaking of the Amazon, it’s interesting (and politically incorrect) to note that it’s not a virgin jungle environment, but most likely the overgrown remnants of a lost civilization.
        The idea that nature is a fragile thing that needs the protection of the Noble White Knight is a racist Woke power fantasy.

        • “There’s nothing there but swamp and rain forest!”
          Oh look some little place called Angkor Wat

          • From what I’ve read, a disturbingly large number of “hills” in South and Central America have turned out to be ancient ruined cities that could only be discovered once we had technology capable of underground mapping.

            • Middle East too, if we could get them to stop wars long enough. I suspect there’s other Gobleki Teppes that will set back our date of “civilization” for humanity.

              • speaking of- a buddy from college, when deployed to Iraq, got pictures of him sitting on the steps of a ziggurat at what used to be Ur.

        • Christopher M. Chupik

          Ah, but those were noble Indigenous People as opposed to evil Colonizing People. They lived in perfect harmony with Mother Nature, right up until they collapsed for completely external reasons that probably have their root in Patriarchy and White Supremacy.

          • (Plus the idea that brown peoples are anything other than exotic animals needing the protection of the Mighty White Knights flies in the face of the deep seated white supremacism of the Left).

          • There is the theory that if there was an Amazonian civilization, it got hammered by disease as part of the Columbian exchange, and then the Portuguese didn’t get upriver quick enough to notice before the jungle overtook it.

          • From what I read the thought is that they practiced the same slash and burn that modern Indigenous People do. Just in the jungle it grows back quicker and can then be reused.

      • Christopher M. Chupik

        Ah, but you see, in Trump’s third term (courtesy of Putin and his 10-year old GamerGate hacker minions), Trump will declare a War on Wildlife that will literally decimate 85% of the world’s animals.

        • BobtheRegisterredFool

          I think larger mammals are fairly doable, but insects would be pretty hard. I think there is a point where you start thinking in terms of max industrial production of defoliant. Be really expensive.

        • Chris and Sad Puppies. You forgot our nefarious culture-hacking ability while pretending to be retired, damn it.

      • Some really cool progress is being made on regrowing coral reefs. I don’t know what the state of the Great Barrier Reef is at present, maybe Dave Freer does.

        They’ve got a guy who’s been basically kicked out of science circles for badthink due to saying the sky isn’t falling, and being able to support it.

      • “Have babies, people!”

        We tried. Damn It.

        • I am working on it. Once the bugbear and I are on the same continent for good, instead of just for a visit like the one in a month or so. End of next year should be a good time to start.

        • I wanted to try but nobody would try with me. I’m now an old fart. Maybe some nice Russian or Asian lady would like to try with me. No, that will not work, I’m cheap and don’t have enough money.
          Well, I guess that my genes end with me. I understand this is becoming popular, I don’t see it but what can you do.

          • Yeah. How true. It was getting late when I had to have my hysterectomy, which meant the end of possibility.

      • Have babies, people!

        Would love to but…it takes two, ya know?

    • I *might* accept #8, since human existence tends to change a lot over time, and some people have a really tight definition of “as we know it”. Right, President Hillary Clinton?

  27. New England Yankee

    There’s a statement by one of the founders of extinction rebellion, Stuart Basden on Medium, that essentially calls for the overthrow of Western civilization. It has brought so much evil, you see, especially in the last 600 years.

    I have to assume he knows nothing of history. The human lot in 1419 was not better than today. These people are insane. They are beyond ignorant–they willfully make up what they want to believe. I am very afraid that humoring them will lead to great death and destruction.

    Already, we see Californians denied electricity. Multiple areas that once had water (Flint, MI and Venezuela among them) now have collapsing water systems. Dutch farmers took to the streets to protest laws that limited the number of animals on farms to allow more building projects. Which, taken to its logical conclusion, could lead to local famine, particularly if international shipping were also constrained.

    We are entering an era of man-made catastrophes.

    • Some people can learn History but never *feel* the lives of the people in history or imagine being them. Some primitive woman in a colorful wrap dress and a baby on her hip and she’s smiling for the camera and they think that’s History, too, never being able to imagine that three of her children died, she had no choice about marriage or sex, and she will have destroyed her knees and feet by the time she’s 30 from grinding grain in that very picturesque hollowed stone next to her grass hut.

      • Or that she’s hot and sticky, and has been wearing that colorful wrap dress for too many days in a row. She can’t afford a whole lot of other clothing to wear, and saves her nice outfit for special occasions.
        Her family is too often sick because their only source of water is from a drainage ditch by the highway, and that’s where they have to do the washing up, bathing, and so on.

    • The Netherlands is one of the world’s food exporting countries. If they start growing less food, it’s going to negatively affect their economy and raise food prices elsewhere, which will, of course, hurt poor people the most.

      Greens and their misanthropy. (Spits)

  28. “But we’ve ruined Greta’s dreams and her childhood and apparently those of a lot of their cohort, by not killing the more populous areas of the third world that are just now industrializing.”

    Listen Sarah, just exactly how is poor little Gretta supposed to do her Global Grievance Tour through all the “picturesque native villages” if all the “natives” have iPhones and BMWs? Think of the children, willya?!

    These Leftoid retards actually think they’re doing the “natives” a favor by keeping them stuck in a kind of continent-wide 1820s Pioneer Village. Because malaria and fishing for bugs in a mud puddle is a better life than having an iPhone and a BMW and food.

    They think they’re doing everybody a favor by distributing mosquito nets too, when what they’re really doing is giving away a net that can catch -every- bug and tadpole in a mud puddle. Because it takes a long time for malaria to kill you, whereas starvation will do it in a couple weeks.

    Maybe somebody should tell Gretta about the African slavery. Not the 1776 kind, I mean the 2019 kind.

    • These Leftoid retards actually think they’re doing the “natives” a favor by keeping them stuck in a kind of continent-wide 1820s Pioneer Village.

      Isn’t theirs the same argument made by the (soon to be) Fallen Angels against His sharing with humans?

      • People are stupid, RES. They have to be controlled. This is not a new idea, but it is and always has been a -bad- idea.

        Never the less, there is always some smart guy out there making the argument that humans are too stupid/venal/immoral/unfashionable to trust with freedom. Some years they get listened to, other years they get trampled under foot. I believe we may be coming nearer to the trampling phase again.

        • While failing (or refusing) to understand that if they’re too stupid to run their own lives, they’re FAR too stupid to run other people’s lives.

          And the stupidest ones of all seem to keep winding up in the government.

          Jonathan Edwards said it all 45 years ago:

          He can’t even run his own life
          I’ll be damned if he’ll run mine…

  29. I know a really easy way to change the world, that doesn’t even cost any money. Smile at people. Actually look them in the eyes when talking to them, and pay attention to what they’re saying instead of what you’re going to say next.
    Say please, and thank you.
    Let people who helped you know how it turned out, and that you appreciate it.
    Take the time to tell a manager when you got good service. Fill out the comment card.
    Compliment strangers.

    Because making one person’s world better makes the world better. And sometimes, you’ll make more impact than you could ever know.

    • I call smiling at strangers “mind control” because most of them smile back, and they don’t even know why!

      • Danny Hamilton

        A wave also works in the south, in the north they just look at you funny, Bless their hearts.

        • I’ve discovered that nodding to people while walking usually works. And unlike saying Hi, doesn’t leave me feeling funny if they ignore them. Then, I’m walking in the neighborhood.

    • “Treat other people like you would want to be treated” is a pretty common thread in most human cultures and religions.

      However, “they’re not from my tribe, so they are not really people” is also all too common as well.

    • That sounds suspiciously like the kind of behaviour I grew up observing in the South, you White Supremacist!

    • I don’t care for people in general, and my world would be fine if people would leave me the hell alone.

      After I started carrying I gun, I realized my demeanor might be a problem if I ever had to use it. So I started making an effort to be nice to people. “Twenty on Pump Six, please” instead of just waving the money and saying “Six.”

      I guess, for values of gas stations and small stores, this is very nearly over-the-top friendliness. There are places I only get to every two or three months, and the clerk will wave and say “Hey, how’s it going?” or something similar. I’m not *that* odd looking, particularly to someone who sees hundreds of people per day…

      Watching how other people interact with the clerks, I’ve noticed many of them seem borderline hostile. So maybe my minimal effort looks bigger than it is.

      I’ve noticed similar responses in other situations. You don’t have to go all Dale Carnegie on people; just acknowledge their existence and accord them some minimal level of politeness.

      • Always assume the clerk or whoever is doing something for you is having a bad day, and be kind and friendly.

      • Polite behavior has become in many places rare to extremely rare. Just being a Gentleman makes you so different others will not even recognize what you are doing. Being polite to all you meet costs you NOTHING, may make their day or so confuse them that they will forget to be mean to you.
        A Gentleman doesn’t do the actions for a good reaction, he does them because they are RIGHT. If they say or do anything bad in reaction that is just something a Gentleman must put up with. If things turn very bad, WELL a Gentleman is armed, after all, with more then polite behavior.

    • When people ask me how i am, I say Joyful. It is interesting what happens. At a bank I go to, one teller has told me she enjoys asking me because I say joyful. She now thinks of joy when she sees me. So walking into the bank, joy comes with me.

      I tell people joy follows me wherever I go. It does. I have a Jack in the Box Christmas JOY antenna ball, on my antenna at the rear of my car.

      Gratitude is vital. I make it a practice to thank people who are cleaning at hospitals I go to. I tell them what they are doing is the most important job in the facility. The looks of gratitude from them is priceless.

      • When people ask me how i am, I say Tolerable. I find it accurately covers all conditions in which I am capable of being asked that question.

        Of course, others are free to disagree, but if they don’t find me tolerable they probably ought not be asking me personal questions.

        • when people ask how i am i say “operating within acceptable tolerances” in the flattest tone i can muster.

      • I often say something like, “omg, I have the worst headache” or something else negative “been a long day” and then realize what I’ve done, smile, and say “not supposed to say that I guess, but really, not doing too bad,” and I think what matters the most is the smile. “Been a long day” often gets a response of “mine just started,” which works for a bit of small talk with a cashier.

        Usually I just really try to remember to say “Doing good, how are YOU?”

        A smile goes a really long way, or just anything that lets someone know that you SEE them.

        Which is one reason why the whiny BS crabby-pots who try to claim that smiling at people is farking *oppression* piss me the hell off.

      • My standard reply, everywhere, everywhen, is “Been better, been worse.” This usually gets a raised eyebrow, especially when the questioner is a medical professional. I explain. “Today isn’t the best day of my life, but it isn’t the worst day of my life either. I’m betting you would say the very same thing. Is this the best day of YOUR life?” “No.” “Worst?” Ultimately, a Semi-Stoic outlook. M. Aurelius smiles.

  30. Boomers were promised the Earthly Paradise.

    The reasonable ones went out and built it.
    The smart ones went out and figured out how to help the reasonable ones.
    The silly ones got angry that they didn’t get what they were promised.
    The angry ones channeled their rage into art and figuring out how to burn the world down for failing to give them their Earthly Paradise on a platter.

  31. One hundred years ago my grandfather and his family and moved to a new irrigation project in the high semi desert of Idaho from Missouri. As most irrigation projects in the West, it was based on estimates of precipitation that were too high and could never support the number of farms that were sold. The rest of the family also moved too – the brothers all had farms and my great grandfather opened a general store, which was also the post office, and small hotel. When I Iast visited a few years back, my father and mother had moved back sometime ago and lived in a remodeled a part of the old hotel and my brother ran the ranch. The store and post office had long ago closed. After my parents died, my brother sold the place as well as all of the cattle.

    The original house my parents lived in was still standing deserted with no doors and windows. My grandfather and his brothers were among the few that survived, although they would point to a field and say that was the old Sitzama place. Water was always a problem and a short growing season limited what could be grown, so life was never easy. In the beginning there was a lot of game, and my great grandfather used 10 gauge shotgun to bag ducks and geese as well as other game which he sold in the store.

    In one hundred years the area has gone from frontier to a prosperous ranching/farming area to a more sparsely populated area of large farms and ranches or small almost subsistence farms with people largely dependent on jobs across the state line in casinos. In the beginning the largest town was half a days drive by horse and wagon. There was a railroad that went from Twin Falls to Reno for awhile. Eventually, US 93 was put in and it is still a major north – south truck route, making the trip to town 20 minutes.

    I think a large part of the problem is that the current generation has no roots back to the time when a majority of the population lived in rural areas. I span two generations. My children from my first marriage, born in the sixties and seventies, had some idea of life outside of the city. They also grew up during the feminist era, so the girls so never married, but my oldest son has a family. My youngest son, who will graduate from Virginia Tech in Chemical Engineering exactly sixty years after I graduated from college, has little real knowledge of how life on the farm was.

  32. …you can’t stop carbon emissions and travel … without stopping food production, distribution, processing. What you get is the four horsemen: War, famine, pestilence and assuredly Death in the end

    The 1984 era Ethiopian famine that gave us the crappy (politically, intellectually as well as musically) We Are The World was touted at the time in a lot of media as the inevitable result of desertification, overpopulation and drought, coming soon to a country near you! (Cause Wesa Alls Gonna Die! And it’s your fault America! So buy the stupid song and give until your guilt doesn’t hurt!)

    Strangely absent from most media reports were the facts that the famine area was in an area hostile to the central government, and whatever supplies didn’t get diverted due to corruption were withheld due to the “rebel threat” (Threat the to the authority, prestige and image of the government, not due to any physical threat to relief convoys and workers. They got their quota of threats from government troops).

    A pattern that keeps repeating itself to the present day (and has me doubting the UNICEF commercials I saw as a kid in the 60sabout Biafra. All I had then was the media and not the access to other intel sources I had in the 80’s)

  33. One can draw people into two broad categories- those who say “what’s the worst thing that could happen?” as a request for possible unintended consequences, and those who say it as a dismissal of same.

  34. “The hollow horn plays wasted words
    Proves to warn that he not busy being born
    Is busy dying”

    Bob Dylan

  35. That said 90% of the people who want to “change the world” want to do so by telling everyone else what to do. Ignoring that they themselves are also not perfect, and more likely than not are appallingly ignorant of the real world out there.

    This, more than anything, is why Jordan Peterson drew the ire of the left. His “clean your room” comment, and all the depth behind it, was understood by them quite completely and it is a direct indictment of them.

  36. Everything the left-wingers do makes perfect sense once you realize that they have given up on getting people to want to vote for them, and are devoting all their efforts to making people afraid to vote against them.

  37. Um, just what were Adam & Eve up to before Satan so rudely interrupted them in that painting?