A Quick Note

I really hope to put a post later.  The problem is I expected that yesterday too, but one trip to the old house turned into five, finishing at 9 pm.

The movers are making their second and might be last moving day on Wednesday.  Before then we need to pack, sort, donate, etc.  It’s not so much the stuff we unpacked (very little.)  It’s the stuff that’s semi-sorted, as we’ve been sorting and culling possessions for two months.

And then (yeah, he won.  With arguments.  We won too, in a way.  One year, and then he either moves in or finds a way to support himself.) splitting households from younger son to whom I HAD to point out he’d need sheets.  And towels.

So, everything is a little upside down.  Give me some room.  I would very much like write on the nature of money, on the nature of equality, on the nature (yeah, I know) of the difference between male and female writers, where it concerns the reader.

Right now I can’t.  But there will be pie in the sky by and by.

166 responses to “A Quick Note

  1. BobtheRegisterredFool

    You can do what you need to, and we can do an open thread about terrorism or something.

    • Yeah. That keeps getting worse and worse. And apparently there may have been a second attack planned in CA: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html

      • BobtheRegisterredFool

        That one sounds a bit off to me. If true, in hindsight it makes a lot of sense for ISIS to make a big push against the gays right now.

        • Yep: Ramadan and Pride Month coinciding should raise a big honking waving fluorescent flag in any Daesh threat assessment.

          • BobtheRegisterredFool

            I wasn’t even paying attention to Ramadan or Pride Month.

            I’ve been analyzing this Presidential election only from a perspective that understands our culture, and is fluent in our language. Some things pop out at me when I attempt to think like a foreign terrorist organization’s analyst.

            Trump probably looks more like a serious, capable candidate across language and cultural barriers. I doubt Lowendowski roughly handling a female journalist hurts diminishes Trump in the eyes of Arab Totalitarians. I doubt foreign media has discussed how offensive Trump has been very unflattering to the sensibilities of veteran conservative activists, or much about campaign organization versus theories of how a campaign might be won. Is a German, Korean or Egyptian likely to get the implications of Trump’s claims that he will win California and New York?

            The deference shown to LGBT causes may tell a foreign observer that the faction has independent power, and is widely feared. The Christians out to kill the gays narratives might suggest to a foreign observer that the gays are weak, and vulnerable to being coerced by force. An overseas Islamic terrorist analyst might conclude that outdoing the Christians in murdering gays will make the gays fold, and grant Islam a powerful political proxy in America.

            They may also conclude that Clinton is already most of the way surrendered, and that Islamic proxy gays would ensure that the deal is sealed.

            The theory may be that they only need to kill a bunch of gays now, then we will capitulate, and the job will be done.

            • I’m wondering how many gay donors are looking at Hillary, Libya and Benghazi and considering putting their campaign support behind a log cabin.

      • Now it sounds like the LA guy was just a garden variety nut. He’d gotten scolded by the police before for threatening a boyfriend and the neighbors with a pistol.

  2. Martin L. Shoemaker

    For a college age male, sheets are strictly optional.

    (Sometimes for older males, too.)

    And towels can be reused for a few days, so the number needed is small.

    The Voice of Experience

    • The idea he needed dishes was a shock, too.

      • Martin L. Shoemaker

        One cereal bowl. One spoon. Paper towels.

        When he starts WANTING dishes and towels and sheets, it means girls have started visiting.

        Again, The Voice of Experience

        • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

          What! You didn’t use paper plates???? 😉

          • Martin L. Shoemaker

            When I remembered to buy them. But I usually bought paper towels in bulk, and so I ran out of plates more often.

            Besides, my REAL dish was usually a take-out container.

          • Paper gets expensive after a while. I got a basic Corel starter set (four of each, pretty much Alma-proof) and they are still going strong. yeah, I had to wash them, but I prefer washing dishes to taking out the garbage.

            • Yep —

              Dishes expect dishes.

              • N.B. —

                Some ladies have a different definition for plate.

                • The Other Sean

                  Am I the only one wondering whether her lovely red hair might get painfully stuck in the places where the segments of plate armor join and articulate?

                  • Nope, just like I cringe when the archery scenes in _Brave_ show Miranda shooting with her hair loose. I have hair just like that, and I shot ONCE with my hair down. That cured me and left a rather nasty dime-sized hairless patch on the side of my head in the process.

                    • BobtheRegisterredFool

                      Okay, so KanColle’s Akagi is more absurd than I had realized. Same apply to Shoukaku?


                    • Fantasy and anime hair obey different laws of physics than does IRL hair. That’s all I can figure.

                    • BobtheRegisterredFool

                      Where does the hair catch? How does it need to be restrained to prevent problems with archery?

                      Could hair arranged at the head then hang loose? Or does it all need to be pulled back or to the side? The left side?

                    • Patrick Chester

                      Armor is very different too. Less is strangely more. 😉

                    • Steve Jackson’s GURPS actually made that part of the rules with the advantage “Protective Nudity”. 😉

                    • “Why is it Fantasy Armor?”

                      “Well, there is that it being effective as armor is pure fantasy as it covers so little.”

                      “And.. or.. or?”

                      “It only covers the bits you’re fantasizing about, right?”

                    • Bob, I shoot left-handed, so I pulled it back into a braid or ponytail in the usual place (center back of head). If ponytail, I also tucked it into my collar so there would not be any fly-away bits. In my case it got into the bowstring just before or as I released, probably just above the arrow (based on where I dimly recall the hair being caught in the string.) It’s been 20 years or so since the Unfortunate Occurrence.

                      You just need to confine the hair so it can’t get caught, be it all under a cap or scarf, braided, or pinned up in some way. I would not trust flipping it over to the right side and hoping for the best – Murphy’s Law of windage and all that.

                    • Yeah, “proper” style for archery calls for pulling the arrow nock back to an imaginary line down from the corner of the mouth. Unless it’s properly confined, long hair will definitely find a way to get caught in the string.

                    • scottsaxbury

                      That’s why Kaga is the smart twin.

                    • scottsaxbury

                      seem to have forgotten a couple sentences… no typing after giving terrifying driving lessons anymore.

                  • Birthday girl

                    As a youth, I had hair longer than my waistline and it frequently got caught in the waistband of my jeans. That was annoying enough; I cannot imagine adding all those additional points of pull …

                    • This is why I didn’t grow my hair out past waist length until I started putting it up regularly.

                    • I once realized I’d forgotten to have my hair cut in three years when I sat on it …

                    • If I went for three years, I’d look like Cousin It, complete with hat and glasses. 🙂 It’s been a month since the last shearing and I need to go get the bangs cut so I can see out from under them. I look like a cross between an Irish Setter and an Old English Sheepdog.

                    • “I look like a cross between an Irish Setter and an Old English Sheepdog.”

                      That’s what Clariol is for.
                      *runs very fast*

                  • Be hell to let it out. Watch the petit-fours…

                  • That’s what the mail coif is for. Bundle your hair up under it for extra impact protection.

                • I would think the Lady doth need a bit more allowance for gambeson etc. than that waistline woud allow.

            • Most of a Corelware set is still in use after my parents had them for at least 40 years, here. Plus several of the square cookware pieces, too.

            • Corel is tough, but if you drop it on a cement floor it will/can break. And Corel doesn’t break, it shatters into a million (literally) pieces just larger than your average dust speck.

              • One million sharp pieces.

                • Oh, did I forget that adjective? Picture pieces of white glass, small enough you can’t see the shape, the sharp shape, without a magnifying glass.

                  • Feather Blade

                    Yeah, we would always have to sweep, and then go over the affected are with a damp paper towel when one of us dropped a dish.

                    I have never been tempted to buy a Corel dish since then. No matter how much easier they are for small children to put away.

      • All Kwai-Chang Caine needed was his bedroll and flute. But even college students don’t live that rough most of the time…

        • The change from my college days and now are interesting. I’m surprised they don’t have moving vans backed to the dorms.

          • Birthday girl

            Some do. Trailers, mostly.

            • But there is a reason extra dumpsters are parked next to the dorms at academic year’s end. You could build a pretty good sized house with the concrete blocks dumped each year from the dorms I worked in. For those going “Blocks?” they were used to raise the beds so more stuff could fit under it.

              • I started to say “slackers”, but not all dorms have ceilings like my old WPA dorm–we would use 4x4s and plywood to elevate our beds in “structures” which were stained for fire safety.

        • In another forum someone posted the rhetorical, supposedly Japanese, question ‘One mat sitting, two mats sleeping; what more space does a man need?’* My answer was, of course, “Room for books! Lots and lots of books! Oh, my Gawd, so many books!”

          *Never ask me a rhetorical question; chances are really good that I’ll answer.

          • Books… and tools.

            If I ever move again, I’ll have to hire riggers. Nowadays I’m not up to shifting equipment weighing more than my car.

            • That’s how I got a drill press when we bought our place. It was too heavy for the last guy to move. Course, he never got it running, so that was a factor.

      • Sarah, that’s what these wonderful inventions called “paper plates” are for…. 😎

      • That was optional for single dining. Never saw any reason not to just eat out of the pot. Less to clean afterward.

        • This. bachelor living….You can also peel off the paper labels off the vegetable cans and heat them on the stove and eat directly out of those too……

          • Pa told the of the very, shall we say, economical fellow who before he left for the day, would place a can of beans above the pilot light and that was was his supper at the end of the day.

      • Note from Godfather: was hanging around downtown too late to catch the last Saturday bus, and walked home. Someone had left a box of kitchen ware on the curb. I went, big ceramic plate, don’t have one (broke the last.) Perfectly omelet-size frying pan. Soup or stew bowl (broke the last two.) Excellent!

    • Actually, I found sheets made sleeping better. Changing sheets and making my own bed was part of my chores growing up, and my father taught me how he made his bed in the military.

      • Do people make their beds differently in the military?

        • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

          Yep, the beds have to look good for inspections. 😉

          • Randy Wilde

            And no luxuries like fitted sheets. 🙂

          • Do they still bounce a quarter off your rack, then toss the bunk and make you drop and give ’em 20 if it doesn’t rebound at least a foot?

        • Yes. Think hospital corners and no fitted sheets. Never could get it to bounce a quarter. Having a bed spread made it slightly different.
          Later modified it with a semi-hospital corner (not tucked in on the sides after making the 45° fold) with the top sheet and blanket. That’s how I still make up a bed, when necessary.

          • Reality Observer

            Only way to get the quarter to bounce is if you have an indentation in the middle, so you’re essentially making a drum head.

            Never could get it to work at home – but at Scout Camp, yes.

            • Oh, so THAT’S it!

            • The trick is to get under the bed and pull the sheets.

            • Yep. Pull the upper sheet tightly to the sides so that when you tuck it in, the sides of the mattress are slightly raised. I don’t do that anymore. Come to think of it, most mornings, I leave the bed unmade so that it can “air out.” Yeah, that’s the reason.

          • I never could see the point of making up a bed. After a while my wife saw reason. Though working different shifts might have helped her see it…

            • Making it up for presentation, I can see, if grudgingly. But making it up immediately upon waking? No. Let things air out. Even with regular changing, why give germs (and whatever else might lurk) a dark warm moist place to multiply?

              • More than presentation. Getting the wrinkles out makes for better sleeping. What constitutes making it up immediately varies. There are reasons for doing that if you’re in camp. At home, when I make it up, it’s after shaving and dressing, so it’s aired out a few minutes.

          • Put the clean sheet on the top, the top sheet on the bottom, turn the bottom sheet in to the laundry boy. Any man turns in the wrong sheet spends a night in the box.

        • And different posts (in training commands, I mean) do it differently–for example, with and without an eight inch turned down cuff. I bought a ruler for that at AIT (Advanced Individual Training).

  3. La-di-da. Keep priorities straight, dear, and make the nest before you feather it.

  4. Christopher M. Chupik

    But what will keep the pie in the sky? It’s only aerodynamic over short distances.

    • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

      Anti-Gravity Devices of course. 😉

    • Have you never heard of Frisbie Pies (whamo change the spelling to avoid the trademark I suspect)? Spin them hard enough and you get lift . I’d like Blueberry please. Actually I’d Like Lemon meringue but the meringue messes with the aerodynamics.

      • Lemon merengue?

        I’ll dance to that!

      • Randy Wilde

        I think they’d be aerodynamic enough…

      • SheSellsSeashells

        When there were grits for breakfast at my college cafeteria, you could fill up a plate, eat your actual breakfast, then peel the grits out of the plate and go play frisbee with them. Great way to kill a Saturday morning.

        • Not where I went to college. The grits were good and the cheese grits . . .people begged for seconds.

        • Which blog had the article “Why There are Grits in the DFAC”?

        • That ruins what I consider the best part. Yes, i grew up eating grits, both hot and cold and congealed.

        • I keep telling people, grits are not a food.

          They were originally issued as an abrasive for scouring fouling out of Confederate muskets. As the Union began to take prisoners, they kept finding these weird little packets on the Rebel troops.

          One day a large Union sergeant asked a Confederate, “What is this garbage?”

          The raggedy Confederate glared up at him and said, “Eat it, Yankee.”

          So the large Union sergeant called over three large Union corporals and said, “You first.”

          And that’s how grits became a food…

          • Those who eat cream of wheat should not criticize grits. 😉

            Proper grits are made from hominy. Hominy is corn soaked in lye until the husks come off. There is an alternate method using lime. The result not only removes the hull, but unlocks the B vitamins. Otherwise it isn’t absorbed by the body and you end up with pellagra.

            Here’s a weird thought: Tobacco contains at least one B vitamin. B3 is also known as nicotinic acid. I know of one instance a very long time ago when vitamin supplements weren’t readily available where a doctor prescribed chewing tobacco. The weird thought is a map showing traditional preference for chewing tobacco in the US and the traditional percentage of corn meal in the diet and see if there’s a strong overlap.

          • I’ve heard that eating corn at all is a cause for amusement to Europeans, who wonder why we eat cattle fodder.

        • I couldn’t figure out how to specify an end time on this (at least, one that works) to isolate just the part I wanted, but you’ll know.

    • Sabots, of course!

    • It’s a magic pie so it’ll manage.

    • What keeps the pie in the sky? Thrust.

    • If you put it in a high enough orbit, it will stay “in the sky” for a very long time.

  5. Reality Observer

    Keeping a lookout for pie in the sky is far less nerve-wracking than watching for incoming carp…

  6. Between your pie and Cedar’s donuts . . . honestly!

    Anyhow, good luck with the final move, and the final unpacking. Suggest to Marsh that he hold off on the apartment until school starts. Then ask around with classmates and friends about sharing an apartment.

    • He is, anyway, but because Col Springs is a college/Academy town, if he doesn’t rent now, he’s going to have issues.

      • This is true, according to the U-Haul guy. I have to rent an 8 X 5 trailer when we (finally) put the house in the real estate lady’s hands and blast down to our new house in Phoenix. The U-Haul guy asked me when I needed the trailer, and when I said, “before the end of July,” he said, “Shoot for the middle. By the end of July an awful lot of kids are heading back to school, with trailers.” I hope to hell we’re done by the middle of July. From here and now it’s hard to tell.

        But don’t worry about us. We’ll still be here, and will think no less of you for taking a much-needed (working) vacation.

        • Trailer rentals are strange. I bought a milling machine in Colorado Springs and needed to haul it back to Little Rock. It turned out to be cheaper to *buy* a trailer in Colorado Springs and keep it. as opposed to renting one one-way.

          • Now that’s peculiar. Carol and I live in Colorado Springs (for a few more weeks, at least) and we’ve hired one-way U-Haul trailers to Phoenix and back several times. The 4X8s were about $100. The 5X8s were about $125. Not sure how much farther it is to Little Rock, but it couldn’t be THAT much.

            • Really depends on a lot of factors. when I first looked to move up here, U-Haul wanted just over $2000 for just a 26 foot truck, but by the time I made the move I paid less than that for the truck and the auto hauler trailer. The trailer was the same price both times.
              I also could have saved $20 by delivering the truck down to Green Bay. They were having a shortage, but I was too short on time. IowaHawk has several times run the difference in price to rent a U-Haul from California to Texas vs. the other way around. The price difference is very large for the same length of trip.

            • I asked about that. The explanation was that moves in certain directions are more popular than others, so stock tends to accumulate in the popular areas and leave a shortage elsewhere.

              Popular destinations get a hefty surcharge.

              • Randy Wilde

                It’s almost like there’s a larger supply of trailers accumulating where people want to go, and a larger demand for trailers where people want to leave, and that impacts rental pricing somehow.

                But that doesn’t make any sense…

                • Well, no. It was more of a matter of finding out that the rental price in huge letters on the sign outside was… if not exactly a lie, then hugely misleading.

                  “Rent here, return anywhere” and “for $109.95” adjacent to each other sort of implied the two statements were connected to each other.

                  I can quite understand how they would adjust prices to match where the trailers were going. No problem.

                  Budgeting $110, then finding the real price was almost $500, I felt like I had been suckered by a bait-and-switch scheme.

                  • I rented a U-Haul trailer to haul trees to the coast a few times, it was invariably cheaper to pull the trailer back empty and pay the extra day, than it was to drop it off over there. Of course I was always renting it in the spring, and the local U-hauls are located in two adjacent University towns. If I was renting in the fall, when they had a huge influx of trailers I suspect the pricing would have been different.

                    The advertised price is, I believe, dependent on returning it to the same place you rented it from, if returned elsewhere, prices tend to vary wildly.

                  • The Other Sean

                    There was probably fine print on the sign saying “Prices on sign may be higher than they appear.” 😛

  7. Can I put in an order for peanut butter cream pie with whipped cream and some strawberries then? 🙂

    Good luck with the real estate machinations.


  8. “Pie in the sky, by and by”. Hmm, how does Coriolis effect the growth of an apple tree?

    • …how does Coriolis effect the growth of an apple tree?


    • Martin L. Shoemaker


      (With apologies to Larry Niven.)

      • Oh, now you’re blowing smoke [rings]. (with further apologies to Larry Niven.)

        You know, I can’t actually remember any of the story, characters, or plot – just the really, really cool worldbuilding-without-a-world?

        • Martin L. Shoemaker

          Same here. Might be time for a reread.

          [Looks at virtual reading stack and wonders if a pile of Kindle books can get tall enough to fall over…]

        • Not sure which Niven story you guys are referring to. I immediately thought of Farmer In The Sky, and deduced that Heinlein had never actually tried to burn green apple wood (you need to partially dry it, even for use in a smokehouse) and obviously didn’t realize how ineffectual that would be at heating a house.

  9. Dunno about Coriolis, but in the Texas Panhandle any apple trees will grow about 30 degrees to the south.

    We don’t have “wind” in Arkansas. The wind sock just hangs there until a tornado takes it and its pole away. But in the Panhandle the wind blows enough that everything that grows leans to the side from the pressure…

    Going through there on a motorcycle you wear one side of the front tire from countersteering to lean into the wind while going straight.

    • That’s one reason there were great hopes for commercial orchards down in the Canadian River Breaks – much less wind, closer to water, sheltered from (some) storms . . . the apple trees planted by one of the first Hispano pioneers lasted from the 1870s into the 1940s, IIRC. Peaches did not fare as well, although I noticed a bunch of new-to-me orchards back in March along US 287 just off the edge of the Caprock to the south and east.

      • Pecans do well from about Glasscock county eastwards into west central Texas.

        • They do too well in my neighborhood. The *$&% squirrels and bluejays keep burying the &$$# things in the yard, in the potted plants, in the compost bin, in the . . .

    • The Other Sean

      As far as I can tell, from central Oklahoma through the Texas Panhandle and into eastern New Mexico, it is pretty darn windy. IIRC, any trees of significant height were rather tilted – not that there were very lots of them.

      There’s a reason the picnic tables at most of the rest areas and campgrounds have windshelters with near-solid western sides. That seems pretty common across much of the Great Plains, actually – Kansas, Nebraska, etc.

      • Wind breaks? Cool.

        Kansas rest areas used to be… spartan. And loud, with their PA systems bellowing some kind of state news service.

        • The Other Sean

          AFAIK, they’re still rather spartan, save for the ones on the tollroad or the easternmost one on the freeway portion of I-70, which is rather fancy, has a short hiking trail through woods to a sculpture, wifi, etc. But most if not all of the I-70 rest stops do have concrete block windbreaks for their picnic shelters, and from personal experience I can say that they are at least partially effective. Also, I think they have an RV section (possibly with dump station?) for those doing the RV thing.

          • Speaking for those of us out west; I wouldn’t consider any rest area with a picnic shelter… Spartan.
            Spartan would be the ones that haven’t been upgraded from outhouses to flush toilets.

            • The Other Sean

              Interesting. I’ve not encountered any outhouse-style rest stops anywhere east of the continental divide (or in Arizona/Utah/western Colorado) on any interstates, but I’ve run into a a few along older US routes. Most of those had picnic tables; a few even had picnic shelters (primarily on the plains where there was no shade, or very windy). What parts of the US / types of highways are you running into outhouses at?

              • The same types of highways as you are, I can’t think of any outhouse rest areas on interstates, off the top of my head. I’ve encountered them on main highways in Idaho, Montana, Washington Oregon, and Nevada, however.

                Wait, I recall one on I-90 in Montana. It was on top of a pass (possibly the continental divide) and the only time I stopped there it was around midnight and there was a fisher rummaging through the dumpster. There was enough snow on the ground that any picnic tables wouldn’t have been visible, but a picnic shelter surely would have.

              • I’ve come across a few in Utah and NM that have no-water, composting toilets. Not outhouses per se because they do get cleaned out on a scheduled basis (will not type “regular”), but not the traditional flush-with-water facilities either. There are water sinks for hand washing.

                • We used to have some weird “environmentally-friendly” flushers at rest areas in VA that were filled with recyclable mineral oil instead of water. They have mostly been replaced these days with more usual fixtures, which is a relief as they generally stank of the traces of waste remaining in the reused oil, but I think there may still be one or two on I-64.

                • The Other Sean

                  That’s pretty spartan, alright. I guess it could be worse – I’ve run into a small number of parking-only or parking + picnic table rest stops in the past – no restroom facilities at all – though those tend to be few and far between.

      • “One day the wind stopped, and everyone fell over.”

    • I’m a bit south of you guys, but the winds have still managed to destroy a mail-order greenhouse and torque a wrought iron pergola all to heck and darnation.

  10. Martin L. Shoemaker

    Two things…

    1. In case no one else has mentioned it: the young gentleman in question is a Hoyt on his father’s side, a Portuguese scrapper/spiritual scion of Heinlein on his mother’s side, and a writer on both sides. They solve harder problems than this just for amusement. With a whole year to work on it, he’ll have a plan to keep his new place. It may be no plan that any of us could ever imagine, but he’ll have a plan. And it will (mostly) work.

    2. When will I learn? Never subscribe to comments at ATH when I’m on a deadline.

  11. And of course you’ll have to frisk the boy every time he leaves after a visit to make sure your Heinleins have not grown legs.
    You do still owe me that wish list by the way. And how many thumb drives to put them on.

  12. May be off line for a day or two this week. Going back into hospital to find out why my heart has suddenly started throwing clots. Transesophageal cardiogram, basically a garden hose and sonar transducer down the throat, whee. At least I’m promised some good drugs.

  13. Sarah, I’m looking forward to reading those future blog posts. They pique my interest. In the meantime, do what you need to. 😀

  14. BTW, since this topic is called A Quick Note …

    Does anyone think the powder version is better than the syrup, and does it matter if you stir it in clockwise or anti-clockwise? How many have broken down and just tossed it in a blender?

    • I’ve seen recipes for cookies that call for dusting the top of warm cookies with the powder instead of powdered sugar or chocolate sprinkles. Not sure the syrup would work in that case.

      Stirring anything anti-clockwise lets in the devil, or so I’ve been told. Which may explain why my mustard always comes out hotter than other people like.

    • Sheesh. Had to read that a couple of times before I got it.

      I like the powder better, myself. I get better results stirring clockwise, but that’s probably because I’m right handed. When I was little, I had a container that you put the milk and powder in and shook it. I thought it was a Fred Flintstone-shaped container, but I can’t find any mention of it with any search parameters I tried just now.