I try not to get in political arguments on Facebook, unless I’m going in to support a Baen buddy (and because of my erratic hours, I rarely see those in time) or someone starts it with me first.
I assume what people post on their walls is their own d*mn business and they’re allowed to be stupid as they wanna be on their home page. After all, people can have posters of Che in their living room, and when I find a neighbor or acquaintance has one of those, I simply make plans to ignore them in the future, I don’t say “So, you like mass murderers who delighted in killing kids, personally, uh?” Also, to be bluntly honest, I’m away too busy to teach history to people who seem unable to reason from fact to fact.
Yesterday something got in under my defenses. Call it Sarah being too sleepy and still very angry at the Colorado legislature. Or perhaps it was the irreducible stupidity of the post or its sheer lack of contact with reality, or its hatred of life in a free society. Indeed, there was so much to choose from, that it’s useless to wonder what first set me off.
To begin with, the note the poster put with the post (which was one of those “images” that people repost, this one just black background with letters on it.) She said “This is their secret agenda, believe it.” Since the post was about the GOP I presume she meant the GOP’s secret agenda.
Given the general disorganization of the Republicans, I wish someone would tell them that they have a secret agenda and that the only people who seem to know about it are the opposition. Also, for the love of heaven, someone tell them that the agenda is so stupid that even I am shocked, though I’ve come to expect mentally-damaged decisions from them. In fact, their agenda will achieve exactly the opposite of what it purports to want. And FYI a two year old with experience in pre-school would realize this.
So, what was the charming post? It said “The GOP wants to abolish government, so the corporation (sic) can rule us.” At the bottom of it was an elephant in a “not” sign.
Let’s start from the bottom, shall we? What in heck do they think they’re saying? In a two-party system they want to abolish one because…. Massive responsiveness to the people will ensue?
Look, I have a lot of right wing friends, socons, libertarians, insane, sane, erudite and not. They sometimes post pretty hateful stuff about “liberals” (they’re not using this in the “classical liberal sense”) “progressives” or “Marxists.” The most common is “Liberalism is a mental illness” – and taking in account what they mean is “Marxism” they’re right. Or rather, it’s a dogmatic religion, which induces mental illness to the extent it doesn’t agree with reality. However, I have yet to see anything that says “Abolish the democratic party” or the symbol of the Democrats in a forbidden symbol. Now, one or two of them might have done it and I might have missed it, but this doesn’t match the countless pervasiveness of it on the left.
I am baffled by their bizarre idea that removing one of a two-party axis would lead to anything good. I recommend they study the history of single party systems, as well as the history of absolute monarchy. When the state doesn’t have opposition – loyal, disloyal or completely lost in its own pants as the GOP is most of the time – it becomes by definition tyranny. I mean, why should they care what you say when they know they’re going to be elected/reelected anyway? Why should they care if the people get upset?
That stupid little “no GOP” symbol at the bottom is a sign of mental illness. It’s a sign of people who have become so upset that someone disagrees with their position on how to do things that they want to silence the opposition. It is a sign of people who think that anyone who disagrees with them has to be EVIL – there’s no other option, since, they are so blindingly brilliant and obviously right.
Do I need to point out that first they are so far from obviously brilliant that that short post has a huge logic error (forget the factual errors, etc.) Or that at some level they know they’re not brilliant or their answer would not be “because, shut up.” Or that this by itself justifies anyone who wishes to post “Marxism is a mental illness”?
But this “the other side is wrong and must be silenced” is what leads to panicky conspiracy theory inventing, because they can’t figure out why everyone doesn’t see the dazzling brilliance of their position, and they, themselves, don’t want to look at it too closely.
To begin with – I was tempted into an answer that was in itself not quite factual. It went something like this “First, you’re wrong. The GOP merely wants to reduce the government. It is us libertarians who want to abolish it. Second, it is a centralized government with all its rich opportunities for graft that causes corporations to have undue power. See China or Hitler’s Germany. This is a fantasy of washed-out drug-addled rejects who buy into the fantasy that the democrats are protecting us from corporations, and are allowing the so called progressives to drive us back to the thirties.”
I was tempted into a post not quite factual? Well, yes. While we libertarians could – you know, if we weren’t all about as social as feral cats – hold our hands and sing, kumbaya style, our own version of Imagine “Imagine there’s no government; it’s hard and we can’t try” – we’d like, in the end, you know, come the millennium and a higher state of man or something, to be able to have a society without government.
Most of us however are aware that it will never be possible, not for communities larger than about to dozen people all committed to doing what’s best for each other and, at that level, whether you have perfect libertarianism or perfect communism is a debate we’ll save for another time.
I simply didn’t feel up to explaining clear political lines, to people who were so blinkered as to think that the GOP had a “secret plan” (really, all of the GOP? Including your local level? And the press who are so fond of bugging political meetings where – shocking – Republicans debate who to defeat the opposition has never got a memo or a letter or an email? Remarkable. I guess Republicans aren’t humans at all, but pod people from alpha centauri. Because the best way to keep a conspiracy with three people secret is to kill two of them. And the best way to keep a conspiracy involving millions of people (or if you believe it’s only the top levels, hundreds of thousands of people) secret is not to have one.)
In the political continuum, you have anarchists – I used to be one when I was 14/15, mostly because anarchists had all the hot guys in black leather jackets and work boots and one of them had long, curly black hair. Deal. I have never understood why in the states anarchists want “A strong central government.” Don’t try to explain it to me. The last I heard was something like “We need a strong central government so people can live government free.” Wait, what? I think the anarchists, who at least at their start had a strong anti-royalist and anti-society strain (as in, destroy society — ???? – Paradise) have long since gotten taken over by the Marxists, who can, after all, organize. Anyway, other than getting out their cool bandanas and flags in the service of daddy government you can safely ignore them. They’re so far lost in their own underwear they can’t see the light of day.
Then you have the Libertarians. I think by now what most libertarians – there are exceptions – want is a government small and hampered enough to adhere to the founders plan. I subscribe to that. I don’t subscribe to their own magic belief that if we don’t seek “foreign adventurism” other nations will leave us alone. It’s a peculiar American illusion. It has led to blood in the past and will again. Between that and the obsession with legalization of drugs (yes, I am against the war on drugs. Yes, I am pro-legalization. It is simply NOT my only criteria for choosing candidates, and I’m willing to grit my teeth and wait 8 or 12 years while we fix other more urgent stuff – as annoying and civil-liberty-violating as the war on drugs is, yes, there’s more important stuff. Besides, in Portugal I saw the result of legalization in a stagnant economy. Let’s say there’s a reason the ganja coast is prone to mysticism and tyrannical governments. Drugs are a great way to keep the restless and unemployed young quiet while you do whatever the heck you want.) Because of that, post 9/11 I dropped out of the Libertarian party, where I’d been active and vocal, and started defining myself as a small-l libertarian. (Or a Rational Anarchist.)
So, you have Anarchists, Libertarians, libertarians, some undefined but not short length of division, in which I would put my “social libertarian/economic mercantilist” friends, and then, at arms length, the outer fringes of the GOP which have people who are at least partially small L libertarian. These people are considered insurgents and dangerous by the main GOP establishment which are, let’s be honest, statists.
Part of this is the same effect that ended up turning all the “conservative” parties in Europe into Social Democrats (or Christian Democrats, forever trying to get Caesar to fulfill THEIR obligation of charity. They are so many levels of wrong…)
It is hard for those of you born in the seventies or later to fully get this, but even people like me, who hated the idea expected the communists to win the cold war, eventually. It made perfect sense. They were more organized, everyone knew central government was more efficient, the press was full of the glories of the Sov Union, and those of us who thought it was morally atrocious and a horrible thing for the individual had to shut up or be thought crazy.
For my generation – born in the sixties – enough had come out, and we passed Gulag Archipelago around like Samizdat (No, we wouldn’t be arrested, but the school would be very upset we were reading it, and we could kiss college admission goodbye), so that our reaction mostly was “I don’t care if it’s inevitable they’ll win. They’re evil, and I will go down fighting.” At least that was my reaction and those of my friends, and I submit those of the martyrs of Tiananmen square.
It wasn’t the stand of the people older than us. They really thought that communism (or its soft sister, socialism) would bring better social outcomes for the most people. As conservatives they might hate it for peripheral reasons, but they still felt communists “cared about the people” and “held the moral high ground.” This sort of mental concession is visible in the older ranks of the GOP who are, of course, the ones in positions of power. I don’t know if they were too old when the wall came down, or if they simply know too many people on the other side whom they judge to be good people. I know that it’s implicit in their attitude the idea that the Marxists are nice guys with the wrong idea. The other side, meanwhile, is playing by the rule book that says anyone who doesn’t believe in Marx MUST be eliminated so paradise can happen.
This is sort of like a street fighter going up against the Marquess de Queensbury.
What it means is that with one side apologizing and bowing and the other calling them evil or worse, while the press is definitely to the left of most politicians the “consensus” of each party has moved left ever since I first set foot in the US in 1980 (before I moved here. Four years before I moved here.) (The other mechanism for this, of course, is that a government will grow unless it meets opposition. It’s the iron law of bureaucracies.) Back then I judged the Democrats to be socialists (Carter’s speeches were almost word per word those of socialist leaders in Portugal. So much so I still wonder if they were faxed/translated from a central location. I know it’s unlikely, but…) and the Republicans to be Social Democrats. (Yes, even Reagan – though at least he hated communism as much as I did.)
Now… Now I’d guess the center of gravity of the GOP hovers somewhere between Social Democrats and socialists. They’re no more willing to REALLY cut down government than the Democrats are. (And no, the sequester was neither a Republican idea, nor is it a CUT. Reducing the rate at which spending EXPANDS is not a cut in any sane vocabulary.)
As for the democrats… Heinlein said they were taken over by hard core Marxists starting in the thirties. I see no reason whatsoever to doubt him. There is a startling disconnect between the crowd in the streets (I want to shout at all these people supporting Democrats because the Democrats TALK about being for the little man AND talk about sexual freedom, that the end result of any Marxian regime is like something out of 1984. There is no space for the little people except as chattel. And as for sexual freedom, both the USSR and China (still) strenuously denied the existence of homosexuals or adultery or… and made contraception either mandatory or impossible to find – in the USSR largely impossible to find since about the seventies when the state had realized it needed more kids.) and the people in power.
And part of this is that though the Democrats haven’t been “in power” very long, they’ve been in power in a lot of places: most entrenched bureaucracies, teaching, entertainment, the media, and some of the larger blue cities. Which means they’re already running to “end stage Marxism” in which the society is, in all but name, Fascist. Or if you prefer, the softer word, crony capitalist (which of course is not capitalism at all.)
One has only to look at everything this administration has done, from taking over the auto industry to the billions squandered on Solyndra and its sisters, to the massive unwieldy regulations that make it impossible for small businesses to hire, survive, expand, to know that whatever the rhetoric, what they really are building is a society with MASSIVE government which in turn picks and chooses the winners from MASSIVE Corporations (bureaucracies like other bureaucracies) who are in turn inured from competition by the government’s aiding and abetting (Almost every monopoly – and the almost is only there because though I know a lot of economic history there MIGHT be a freak occurrence somewhere in history that I don’t know about – REAL monopoly was brought about by government either openly or through regulation.)
The end result of a strong central government with near unlimited power is to attract the greedy and power hungry, both to work for it, and to lobby it on behalf of other organizations.
The end result of growing government is a country in which there is no room for the little guy – and which, incidentally, slowly starves to death because – I know you’ll be shocked, shocked – turns out centralized government or economy or ANYTHING really isn’t the most efficient. Because when you don’t have to be responsive to the consumer, it’s the same as not being responsive to the voter – you can meet your shoe production goals by making only baby shoes and only for the left foot.
Making government small and getting its regulatory claws as much as possible out of business, OTOH, leaves precious little room for a corporation to take over (Much less “the corporation” whatever that is) because there will always be competitors who can do it smaller and faster and more targeted. (Corporations that get large enough become STUPID. See IBM.)
But Sarah, you say, you wrote about corporate take over in a world with no government! Yes, the same way I wrote about an anarcho-capitalist society in a world without government. It’s possible if it’s small and if people have no written law (or ignore it, as we’re doing!) Even then, for a corporation to take over without governmental aid, I had to make it a situation where they had a natural monopoly over the energy source. Break that (as my characters do) and their strength is gone.
Which leads us to “if we abolish government the Corporation will take over” – unless the left now has their version of the illuminati conspiracy, really… what in heck are they talking about? What is “The Corporation”. I have to sort of assume that these people posting this once took a look at a job where ties were required and ever since have been afraid of “the Corporation” coming after them and forcing them to tie on neckwear. Nothing else makes sense.
I don’t want to abolish government, I want to restrict FEDERAL government to its enumerated powers. Which would leave me free to say hire an assistant and pay him/her a negotiated package that includes stuff like eating with us a couple of times a week, and perhaps going to cons with us. This would allow me to grow my business, and perhaps hire more assistants at above the now federally mandated minimum wage (supposing I could hire the first below it) And eventually the Hoyt-writing empire might rival what the ever charming Sabrina Chase calls the Media-industrial complex. (Well, you never know till you try, and there are, after all, four of us.)
A strong central government OTOH is considering an internet tax which would make it impossible for people like me to sell anywhere but Amazon or other equally large corporations. (Which is why they’re all quiet as little mice.) Because the keeping track of paperwork would make it impossible for a small vendor to maintain its own store.
This in turn removes what I always tell people who tell me Amazon if evil and will turn on indie publishers “If that’s true, someone else will come along, offer us a better deal, and Amazon will be history.” With the government regulations giving it overwhelming advantage, Amazon WILL (guaranteed) turn evil and turn on the indie publishers.
Because large entities prefer negotiating with large entities, a large government favors large corporations who in turn favor other large corporations.
I’m fairly sure this is not the Democrats “secret” plan. Most of them seem to think government power makes people angels. And those who are trying to get more power like this story and lie to themselves.
However, I guarantee to you that the Democrats want to grow a central, Federal government and remove all restraints on it. And that at the end of it is a very poor country populated by massive and massively inefficient corporations.
The other is a fantasy for people who haven’t yet recovered from the sixties.
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