Sick of the Jewish Hate – by Jon LaForce
I am going to be rather un-Christlike for a moment. I am also not apologizing.
ARE ALL OF YOU DONE HATING ON THE JEWS AND/OR ISRAEL ALREADY?
*takes a deep breath*
For most of the last… oh let’s say ten years now, it’s slowly ramped up, till I can’t scroll through five facebook posts without seeing somebody going off about “Israel is suborning our government”, “the Jews really run everything in X” (X indicating Hollywood/Movie industry or some other area involving major capital expenditure), “AIPAC owns Trump and the Pentagon,” in a bizarre network of enmeshed conspiracy theories so overlapping I might as well be looking at a Full Stack from IHOP dressed in a syrup made of arsenic, cyanide, and Polonium-210.
And I don’t understand why. Why point the finger at them? What do you gain from it? What has pointing the finger at them, without anything more than supposition, done for your life? Are you happier? Are you wealthier? Did you unlock the secret to immortality?
If your answer to any of the above is “No” or “I have gained nothing,” then why do you persist in this nonsense? Are you no better than a dog returning to their vomit? Are you a mindless animal subject to whatever bestial flights of fancy pass through your skull?
“But Jon, what about AIPAC?”
What about it? It’s no different than the NAACP in that regard, or the NRA, or any other politically motivated organization. Until you figure out how to get the money out of politics for EVERYBODY, we’re stuck with them. Figure out a solution or stop whining, because you have yet to help.
Things got more agitated after the events of 7 October, 2023. Now, I don’t doubt that IDF personnel have done some dumb crap in the course of that conflict. It’s physically impossible for that not to have happened. However, I am also objective enough to understand why that would happen.
See, it’s bad enough that Hamas decided to engage in an unprovoked assault. But the prep work for this was massive. And I don’t just mean the initial engagement. I mean the backside, where Hamas fighters were posting snuff videos they filmed during the course of their attacks, to websites specifically set up for this purpose, showing themselves engaged not only in the most vile forms of SA imaginable, but mutilation of still-living victims and corpses, infanticide, geronticide, the works. They openly bragged about their depravity.
Imagine being the parent who’s safe in that moment, but worried about your daughter at the music festival. Then you get a text message from her. But it’s not the sweet reassurance that she’s safe. It’s a video of her being tortured. The last living memory you have of that precious child you have loved and raised across the last 16, 17 years is her being tortured to death. The last memory of her voice is the sound of her screaming in agony and terror before she’s beheaded on camera.
Imagine what that does for one’s psyche.
Now, imagine that writ large across a nation. I’ve known about Hamas’ actions in the days after, for a couple years now, thanks to my own determination to stay educated on armed conflict and it’s evolution. Some days, I wish I didn’t know. I despise any who would enable such behavior, for the sheer evil which it is. I have zero qualms, as a Christian, judging them fit only for Hell and eternal damnation.
As a sidenote, considering all of the buildup which occurred, how did nobody over in Gaza decide that maybe they should warn their neighbors, to stop this tragedy? How did nobody in Gaza look at Hamas and decide “ya know, I think it’s time to stop the lunatics before people start tossing bombs and artillery” and start eliminating Hamas fighters? From what numbers can be found, roughly 7,000 militant fighters decided to do this. In Gaza at that time, the demographic breakdown allows for 480,313 military aged males between 15 and 64 (not including the militants). Given a sufficient volume of AKs and ammo, nobody associated with Hamas leaves Gaza except in a body bag. Had the Palestinians handled their business on 5 and 6 October, I severely doubt the Israelis would’ve stopped them. And the world could’ve been spared this awful tragedy.
I can understand why the Israeli response has been what it has been. Do I agree with all of it? No. But I don’t need to. Nor do I need to condemn it. Neither of those are my job.
But to try blaming all of the world’s woes on Israel, to try suggesting that somehow a nation smaller than the Greater Los Angeles area, with half the population, is magically running the world via a cabal of yarmulkes and kippahs, is either the height of lunacy, or the world is collectively the biggest collection of bitches in the multi-millenium spanning period of human existence. I’ll let you draw your own conclusions. I already know where I stand. A whole lot of you need to off your cope trains of believing every single conspiracy theory which comes along so you can feel better about yourself and act so petulantly smug.
Theologically, it still makes no sense to be so angry, bitter, and vindictive against the Jews. I know, somebody wants to run to the comments and say “But Jon, the Jews are responsible for the death of Jesus of Nazareth!”
No kidding. I hadn’t noticed.
“But Jon, you’re Mormon, why do you care about what happens to the Jews?”
Maybe I like reuben sandwiches.
Maybe I have friends who are Jews.
Maybe I served in uniform alongside Jews.
Maybe I remember that our Blessed Savior was Himself a Jew, born in Bethlehem of the house of David out of the tribe of Judah and a descendant of Abraham through Jacob.
Maybe I remember something more about what it means to be a Christian.
He prophesied the coming destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in Matthew 23:37 with the unfortunate epithet: “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!”
But just as He spake concerning the destruction and the Diaspora to follow, so also did He declare that in the fulness of time He would He redeem His people of the House of Israel and fulfill the covenant made through Abraham regarding the physical and spiritual salvation of his lineage. Some will argue that doctrinally, only a spiritual gathering exists. I say this is false. Remember that his apostles openly asked him after his resurrection in Acts 1:6-7 “When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.”
In plain English: “It will happen, but it is not your place to know that now.” He would go on to explain the necessity of their ministry proclaiming his resurrection and the redemption of all mankind through His infinite and eternal atonement, “unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
Now, in Deuteronomy chapter 28, we get a promise from the Lord to the whole Host of Israel regarding their obedience to His commandments, first with a blessing and then with a curse if they should prove themselves unfaithful. This warning is repeated throughout the Old Testament (1 King 9:7-8, Jeremiah 24:9, and Psalms 44:14). We see the fulfillment of that in these days.
Now, are you ready for something mind-blowing?
Just because Christ said it would happen does not mean you personally need to contribute to the hate or the noise.
Did He call you by name and say “You must hate these people, revile them at every turn, excuse every evil committed against them, and blame them for all the world’s woes?”
Or did He, whom we as Christians claim to be Our Lord and Savior, lay down the expectation that we act with kindness and compassion toward all?
“And who is my neighbor?”
Ponder those words. And think then upon our Master’s admonition at the conclusion of the parable regarding the Good Samaritan.
“Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.”
Did He command the apostles to raise up an army and avenge His death in blood and fire? Or did He command them to preach the new and everlasting gospel, performing baptism for the remission of sins, confirming the gift of the Holy Ghost upon all who would receive it, encouraging all to become perfect, even as our Father which is in heaven is perfect, “that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”
What have we been commanded to do? Can we bring about true conversion to Christ through hate and spite? Or must it come from a place of genuine care and true charity?
In the end, whether you do it for political grandstanding reasons, or because you think they’ve got it coming by way of theology, you’re in error. You want to hold specific individuals guilty for their own trespasses? That’s fine. But to try damning and condemning an entire nation for their religion, to try justifying the atrocities committed upon their people, as so many of you have, is every bit wrong. You cannot justify your language or your behavior any longer.
Be better.
According To Hoyt 
“Just because Christ said it would happen does not mean you personally need to contribute to the hate or the noise.” Indeed. Remember what happened when Sarah, lacking faith, tried to “help” God fulfill His promise to Abraham for a son?
She gave him Hagar as a concubine, and she bore Ishmael, from whom Islam is descended. Act not from lack of faith, but from the full knowledge that His will, will be done.
MY BELOVED JESUS, it is not the weight of the cross, but of my sins, which has made Thee suffer so much pain. – St. Alphonsus Liguori. It is not DA JOOS who killed Jesus, it is I. And you. And each of us in history, from Adam to the present.
And if one is not religious? Fine. Stop blaming the Jews for your own failures; pull yourselves up by your bootstraps or get therapy. Whichever.
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On the subject of Ishmael, I don’t think it’s fair to blame Sarah’s lack of understanding for Islam. (And note I don’t think it was a lack of faith, I think they were saying “Okay, maybe we misunderstood. God said Abraham would have a son, he didn’t say Abraham and Sarah. Maybe we’re supposed to follow our culture’s normal practices here.”) If Ishmael had never been born, Islam would still have happened: the same angel, or angelic-appearing being, would have appeared to someone else rather than Muhammed. (Remember that the Bible teaches that not all angels are still serving God. A third of them rebelled.)
Furthermore, it’s really, really important to distinguish Ishmael and his descendants from Islam. There are many, many Christians among Ishmael’s descendants who do not in the least accept Islam, and are in fact doing their best (often at the risk of their lives) to witness to their Muslim friends and neighbors in order to rescue them out of the grip of Islam. Remember that although Islam is the enemy of Christianity and the West, most Muslims are not: they are its victims, not willing participants. A book I’ve had recommended to me on the subject is https://www.amazon.com/Ishmael-Shadow-Israel-Prophetic-Firstborn/dp/0825448077 by the late Tony Maalouf, who is (from all I’ve ever heard, I didn’t know him personally) a solid Bible-believing Christian of Arabic descent. He argues, and I believe he’s right, that many people misunderstand Ishmael: he was not Isaac’s enemy, that was Sarah’s paranoia that led her to think that. As one piece of evidence, Ishmael and Isaac buried their father together when Abraham died. Also, if I remember Maalouf’s argument correctly, he says that when God prophesied that Ishmael would live opposite Isaac (meaning “across from”, not “in opposition to”) — that literally came true, and its fulfillment is recorded in the Bible. (He quotes Scripture in support of this argument, and the person who recommended the book to me read me the Bible passage in question… but I can’t remember it now nor come up with a reference for you to look it up). But the point is, one doesn’t live just across the river/valley/whatever from one’s enemy if one has the ability to move wherever, and both Isaac and Ishmael did. They both chose to live across from each other: both of them were at peace with each other. Which is why, when Esau (Isaac’s son) realized that his dad was really unhappy with his marriage to a foreign woman, he said, “I know what’ll make my dad happy with me. I’ll go to uncle Ishmael and ask him for the hand of one of his daughters in marriage. Then Dad will be happy with me.” Esau wouldn’t have thought that marrying one of Ishmael’s daughters would make his father Isaac happy with him if Isaac and Ishmael were at odds with each other.
I’ve written too much already; I’ll stop. But the point I want to make is, don’t blame Ishmael for what one descendant of his did. And don’t make the mistake of associating Ishmael (and his descendants) with Islam. Islam started in that region of the world, so of course many of its inhabitants had to bend the knee to it or be killed — but “Arab” and “Muslim” are not synonyms, nor should anyone consider them to be synonyms. That’s leftist thinking, lumping everyone together just because they share an ethnicity or ancestry. Let’s judge people as individuals, not by who their ancestor(s) was/were.
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“he was not Isaac’s enemy, that was Sarah’s paranoia that led her to think that.”
And Hagar’s gloating, as recorded in Genesis. Harem politics at play.
However, among the little that’s mentioned of Isaac, as you note there’s nothing to indicate that the two brothers were enemies. And in fact, given that Abraham had moved to a foreign land, it’s quite likely that the two saw each other as the only reliable support in the region. They would quite literally have been each other’s only nearby family members.
But that’s speculation on my part.
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Extension of this comment “Or, you know, take a valium like a normal person.” — not to the poster, but to the ones he addresses.
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A random note here –
Islam teaches that the blessing of Abraham was carried through the seed of Abraham’s oldest son, Ishmael. Additionally, my understanding is that it is not widely known in Islamic circles that Jews and Christians believe that the blessing was instead carried through the seed of Abraham’s son through his wife, Sarah (as opposed to his concubine, Hagar).
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How much of it is sheer, raw, envy? People who resent and hate the notion the Jews were chosen and they weren’t?
I hate to say it, but one of the arguments for God’s existence is the sheer, bitter, constant attacks on the people He has chosen.
Note that Christians will and do get the spillover.
(OT, but we’re sitting in a waiting room for my beloved to have his regular colonoscopy. His practitioner checked how long it had been since the last one and behold, the specialist squeezed him in. Prayers appreciated).
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May the plague doctors poking, pricking, and prodding the prostate be blessed with competence, patience, and perspicacity. May the nurses, technicians, apothecaries, hedge witches, and assorted goodly folk of the medical bent ply their trade with all the verve and skill that mankind may currently aspire to. May ye both return safe, minimally discombobulated and ultimately with good news forthwith.
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The first facility couldn’t do it when they learned he’s been using oxygen at night. We’re waiting now at the hospital proper.
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Thank you.
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All of this.
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Keep us posted, and many prayers that things will go well and that it’s healthy!
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We just got home, all is well.
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Yay. Hugs.
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The anti-Semitic and anti-Zionism being pushed today is part of a larger psy-op designed to fragment and agitate factions in our country and others. Look who the folks are pushing it the most. They are all compromised individuals. Perhaps compromised by blackmail, or money, or just cerebral atrophy. All three are encouraged by the darker forces opposing our nation and desiring to destroy our strengths. Basically Evil beings.
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The astroturfing is fairly obvious if one digs even a tiny bit – when the “influencers” whose masses of followers and retweets all just totally randomly happen to be from accounts based overseas (thanks for that feature, Elon), you can make your own conclusions.
And astroturf does not spontaneously sprout. Money is being spent. Do the datarepublican thing, which happens to be something nobody ever said to Woodward and Bernstein in their own ultimately successful psyop against the flawed Richard Nixon Presidency: Follow the Money.
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To clarify: Woodward and Bernstein were and remain far too stupid to be running any psyop – they were useful idiots at best in that.
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I do not like tribalism. Which is implicit in Jewishness. Further, I’m still butthurt over being denounced as an antisemite for declaring Merrick Garland to be corrupt. (And again for saying tribal nepotism is harmful. And again for demanding our borders be enforced, for some reason.)
So when I’m looking at various commentators/politicians, and saying “WTF is wrong with you?”, you know a moral event horizon has been crossed.
I do admit that I am taking a small amount of petty satisfaction from seeing those people who used the epithet as a cudgel against me encountering the real thing. But this crap has got to stop before innocent people get hurt.
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Nice thoughts Jon. Well written. But now what. I have no answer to that and have never heard an answer to it. But until an actionable thought surfaces, you’re just preaching to the choir. Also, in response to the charge that the Jews killed Jesus. Indeed they did, and had they not done so, we would never have had Jesus, or the New Testament.
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As with everything else, it has to be individual action. Each of us, making a choice every day to not support the lunacy.
As for “preaching to the choir,” I have in the past seen the “They killed Jesus” argument on this very blog.
Speak the truth loud, because there is always someone to hear. Whether they will listen is another question.
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THIS. THIS. THIS.
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Sir, the Romans killed Jesus.
Otherwise He’d have been stoned.
Now why this wasn’t emphasized by people proselytizing int he Roman Empire? it’s a mystery, ain’t it?
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Almost like they didn’t want to have a personal AD 70 CE sack of Jerusalem done to them by the Powers That Were …
*dry kitty tone* Imagine that.
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Yeah, there is room for autistic sperging on the legalities of the disputes in question, but it was definitely the local Roman official who ordered Roman troops to carry out a Roman execution.
The New Testament is very clear.
Yet, most moderns do not have a more comprehensive education, that would equip them to entirely follow all of the implications of the little details.
The politics of the Roman colonial occupation are maybe not fully obvious, and would explain that there are distinct legal proceedings in that documentation, and that Roman law was not subordinate to Jewish law. (At least not in Roman eyes.)
But, if the internet has to be trusted, there are a ton of American retards who don’t understand US law. (Some of those folks are merely foreigners who do not understand Americans or American culture.)
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Apologies to the retards.
I have a lot more respect for many of the Downies, than for those who use the college or university level words, and purport to be educated, and who show by their statements that they are in fact badly educated and ill-thinking.
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“Retard” no longer applies to those with Down Syndrome or other impairments. They, despite having brains not firing on all cylinders tend to use their brains to the best of the abilities.
It’s the idiots who choose not to think that are retarded.
So I decree with all the non-existent power I possess.
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Oh, but didn’t you know, Sarah? The icky JOOOS made the Romans do it. The Romans, who conquered their land, crushed revolt after revolt were helpless before the Pharisees giving Pilate the puppy dog eye look and–
–sorry, my eyes rolled to the back of my sockets. Didn’t know my forebrain looked like that.
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The icky joos had mind control, obviously.
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Mind-TAKING!
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That’s utterly ridiculous.
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MIND-taking, Sarah. ;-)
But yeah, pretty ridiculous when you think how much the Romans had them locked down. Robin pointed out that Pilate was taking an easy way out, but I guess the anti-Semites can’t exactly say “well we’ll take over the Roman Empire” or something.
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Pilate was a coward, is all. He felt he had two choices: either condemn an innocent man to death, or see the mob outside his gates turn into a riot, which he would have to put down with force. And having to slaughter hundreds of rioting Jews would be a black mark on his career as governor: why was he so incompetent, the administrative bureaucrats back in Rome would ask, as to let a mob ferment itself into a riot in the first place? So when he was faced with the choice between hurting his own career, or taking the life of an innocent man, he made the coward’s choice, and gave the screaming mob what they were demanding.
Now, who bears the guilt for that decision? The mob? Or Pilate? Now, I’m not going to say the mob was innocent, they were demanding an innocent man’s life after all… but some of them truly believed he was blaspheming. (Others were probably paid protestors). Pilate, though, knew he was innocent of any crime against Rome, and yet had him killed.
If the people calling Jews “Christ-killers” had any logic at all, they’d be bigoted against modern-day Italians, not modern-day Jews. (Not that that would make any sense at all, and yet it would still make more sense than their actual bigotry).
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A riot probably wasn’t the issue. He’d dealt with them in the past, and apparently had done more than one thing just to annoy the Jews (who he didn’t particularly like). John states that the “Jews” (presumably the Sanhedrin) threatened Pilate that if he let Jesus go, then “… thou art not Caesar’s friend: whosever maketh himself a king speaketh against Casear.” (John 19:12) Or in other words, Jesus had proclaimed himself “The King of the Jews”, and therefore put himself up in opposition to Caesar. If Pilate let Jesus go, then the “Jews” (again, presumably the Sanhedrin) threatened to report to Emperor Tiberius (who was apparently at least a little paranoid) that Pilate had let a known rebel and traitor go free. So the threat was that the local Jewish authorities would get Tiberius to arrest Pilate as a traitor. Given Tiberius’s paranoia, this would likely result in an investigation that ended with the phrase “King of the Jews”, and result in Pilate’s disgrace at best, and painful execution at worst.
The subsequent “Jesus vs Barabas” event was presumably Pilate’s attempt to thread the needle. But I suspect that the Sanhedrin guessed (or were forewarned) he would try something like that, and intentionally made sure that their own supporters were the majority of the crowd that day.
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This always seemed to me like a post-Constantine Roman official edit – can’t have the official Roman religion that has the Emperor as the head of the church blaming Roman governors and Roman legionaries with all that, so let’s emphasize this bit over here with the Pharisees.
There’s definitely plenty of hate against official Rome in the persecution-era early Christian writings, even if some had to be written in metaphor (see Revelation of John’s “whore of Babylon”). I can definitely see “let’s deemphasize that bit, brother” happening quite a bit in the years after Constantine’s edict, shifting official blame to the handy always-outsider Jews.
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Guilt does not carry over generationally and everyone involved in the death of Christ has been dead for almost two thousand years.
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Even the demand that the blood be on heir children was not something hey had he authority to enact. Their children remained innocent, they heaped an additional crime upon their heads for trying to entangle their children in blood.
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Well said. Amen.
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Bravo Zulu, Marine.
Keep up the good works and the Faith.
Just an old Dogface Airedale.
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Jon – thank you for showing we can be both spiritual AND rational.
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And write a d*mn clean essay that rings like a bell. He’s come a long way in writing non fiction. I’m very proud of him.
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Part of this is real, but a lot of it is a psyop. Yes, Jews in America enjoyed a golden age while we boomers were growing up, no doubt thanks to the revulsion at the horrors of World War Eleven. In the 1920’s Jews were actively discriminated against by institutions like Harvard. There’s a reason those rebellious, entrepreneurial Jews had to flee to this obscure west coast town of LA to build the movie business as we know it. Just ask Thomas Edison and Henry Ford. For decades after 1945, they were welcomed.
Now unfortunately, we’re back to the baseline of envying Jews (and Chinese and Koreans) for their hard-earned success. Still, from what I hear from my Jewish friends, most of this is probably foreign-manufactured propaganda via X and other social media sites. Plus it’s fairly easy to buy “influencers” to say what you want. After all isn’t the whole influencer gig just, “I’ll say and do whatever gets me money”? It’s basically freelance advertising. “I’m pretty. Buy these vitamins and this skin cream, and you can be pretty too. It must be true. I have a million followers. Join the herd!”
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Who benefits? Those that hate teh jooz and those that just “hate” without any knowledge but the prod at their back. Who benefits from such hatred? Something to gain from it. Now who do we know that has sufficient financial backing and something to gain from Israel’s demise?
It’s not just their geopolitical neighbors. Barbarian cultures have been raiding the civilized for all of humanity’s history what’s written, and I’d wager for much if not all of the part that isn’t.
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fr, fr, I am serious in saying that a lot of communists and of non-identifying communists high on academic communist theory are savages.
Endemic warfare raiding cultures are eager to screw everyone outside of their own in group.
It serves my own narrow individual interests no good to allow the Bezos or the Jew or the Black or the Gay to be cut out of the herd and murdered, simply because I am not Jeff Bezos, nor a Jew, nor a black, nor a gay.
Innocents must exist in practice, and it must be wrong to murder them, in order for peace to exist in practice. And peace is of broad utility for people existing within the peace.
Therefore I reject that speech and consensus determines reality. I reject that ordering of speech across groups is of pressing importance.
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Well put.
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100% agreed. The ivory tower has been intellectualized into de-civilizing itself, and have been busy trying to undo the larger civilization around it for many decades by now. They make common cause with savages everywhere, and hatred for a certain small ethnic group that punches above its weight in upholding Western civilization is of a piece with it.
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What gets me is that many of the “They killed Jesus” crowd recoil in horror at the thought that THEY might be held responsible for the sins of their ancestors. It goes against everything we stand for to blame a child for his parents’ sins.
But “the joos” are different, and apparently can be held responsible for the actions of those who might have been their ancestors, 2000 years ago.
When Christ told the innocent women along his path to Golgotha, “Weep for yourselves, and your children,” it was a warning, NOT permission.
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Amen, Jon, and thank you for stating it so well.
But now … what can be done about it?
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We can NOT shut up, and drown out the insane voices which are mostly foreign or bots or foreign bots.
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This is true.
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I always associated the Joo Hatez with the triple K folks. Hate to see it. Like that Irish sergeant in Gettysburg said, judging others by race or group made one a peewit.
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Do you know what K*K stands for? The Jews are in there. They hated three groups. Blacks, Jews, and Katholics.
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That is the point setnaffa is making: “associated the Joo Hatez with the triple K folks“
I’m the same.
Anyone spouting general hate against Jews, and Israel, is a card carrying member of the KKK. Whether they know, believe, or not. (I know, not true. Should be.)
Can someone not care for specific actions? Or regret certain actions are required? Regardless of who? Yes. But not condemn a group for those actions.
Never understood “Jews killed Jesus.” Based on my history, Romans were not Jewish. There were Jews that were Roman, but the soldiers, and those in power, that condemned Jesus, were not Jews. A Jew, Jesus’s own follower, betrayed him, but one person’s action does not condemn a group, neither the apostles nor the Jewish faith. One person centuries ago betrayed Jesus. A small number put him on the cross and killed him. They are long past any mortal justice now. Their dependents are not responsible.
As for Jews and/or Israel controlling President Trump? Are they kidding? Are they blind? Are they idiots? Okay, the last is probably true; sorry. No one controls President DJ Trump. If anything Israel takes Trumps recommendations.
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“Never understood ‘Jews killed Jesus.'”
Here’s how that came about. First, at the time of Christ, there were 4 sects of Jews, the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the Zealots, and the Essenes. After Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD, and the Jews of Israel were scattered, it was the Pharisees who ended up becoming the remaining sect in exile. If you read the Gospels, it’s unavoidable to not see the Pharisees as the main opposition to Jesus. The Pharisees were all about following The Law (all 613 of them) to the letter, and Jesus called them hypocrites for following the letter (some of which they made up) of the law and not the spirit of the law. After Jesus’ death, they were the one’s who persecuted his followers. So, at first, a certain amount of enmity was tit for tat, as un-christian as that is.
I believe the main impetus for Christian hatred of the Jews though came after the fall of Rome. Europe was made of of thousands of little fiefdoms, and when the King of England or France or wherever wanted to wage war, he needed troops and the money to pay them. That wasn’t always easy to raise quickly since there was no GoFundMe, so the King needed to borrow money. The problem with that was that Rome had insisted that it was sinful for a Christian to loan money at interest, and nobody who had money would rationally “loan” it to someone who didn’t promise to pay interest. Well, there were these Jews who had no compunction about charging interest to non-Jews. Sounds like a great opportunity. The problem arose when it was time to pay the loans back. What’s a poor Christian king to do? Oh yeah, didn’t those Jews kill Christ? Says there right in the bible, “They all yelled, crucify him!” All you good Christian peasants should go kill those Christ-killing Jews (so there’s nobody to demand their money back).
And yes, Jesus was a Jew. All those references he made to the Old Testament, yep. He was in fact the very model of a good Jewish boy, except for the occasional curing of someone on the Sabbath, ;) or yelling about some things he insisted they were doing wrong. Hello, ever read Isaiah or Jeremiah? He was practically Mr. Rogers in comparison, but it was definitely in the Jewish tradition.
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Hm. So Templars were Jewish? It is the royalty fault!
Got it.
(//sarcasm JIC).
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Philip IV of the froggish kingdom was in debt up to his royal crown, some of that to the Knights Templar, and instead of making his payments he convinced the kinda effectively captive Pope Clement V, the first Pope who set up in Avignon, which is located in the froggish kingdom one will note, to suspend the Order of the Knights Templar, and poof, what debts?
Royalty.
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According to history, Ku-Klux was an attempt at phonetically spelling the sound made when a gun is cocked; Klan was spelled with a K instead of the normal C. Alliteration for ignoramuses.
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So, let me spell it out, and let the chips fall where they may. Koots, kikes and katholics.
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Since I had to have various Southern state (TN, AL) history classes, I got way more of this than was good for me, and the way it was presented was that the Klan went through several incarnations, and antisemitism became more of a thing in the 1920s. That was also when it began to have more members outside the old Confederacy; some of the biggest chapters then were in the Midwest.
So at that point, it may have become that meaning in addition to the original.
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Dad got that information from a Klan member when he was stationed in Mississippi, so that makes sense.
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Yeah, my understanding was that the initial version of it was purely to try and keep blacks “in their place” after the war ended. Anything else was added later.
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It’s kind of weird that the Klan became virulently antisemitic.
Jews had quite a bit of social cachet in the antebellum South. For example, Alexander Stephens was Jewish, a Planter, and the Vice President of the Confederacy (not to mention, nearly as detestable as Jeff Davis).
No, I have no idea why.
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The Klan was founded on hate, by the most hateful Democrats of the time. Hating blacks was not enough for them, just as 100 million corpses in mass graves are not enough for the communists.
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Anti-semitism seems to show up in pretty much every culture that displays flagrant racism, and is aware of the Jews as a distinct group (which is probably why it doesn’t appear to be so common in Asia, since they presumably just see Jews as a part of the overall “white” ethnicity). Some have compared, with cause imo, anti-semitism to a canary in the coal mine for rising cultural and/or ethnic animus within a population.
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The evil root at the bottom of anti-Semitism is Satan. He hates God, and he hates anyone or anything that God loves. Therefore, he hates the Jews and he hates Christians. So if someone is hating on ‘the Jooz,’ they are doing Satan’s work for him. Think on that, those who profess to love Jesus Christ. Stop following the words of men and immerse yourself in the words of God – and follow and obey God, rather than men. Here’s a suggestion – a strong suggestion. Find one of the chronological Bibles with daily readings (read through the Bible in a year – twenty minutes a day will get it done). You want one that has both OT and NT passages for each day. Now, as you read both the OT and the NT at the same time, take note of how they connect. Neither one is complete without the other. And the same is true for the nation of Israel and Christianity. They connect. They complete one another. If you hate either one, you hate God.
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I’ve done the audio podcast The Bible in a Year with Fr. Mike Schmitz a couple of times. It really does make me question the reading comprehension of “Bible-reading Christians” who hate Jewish folk ‘because the Bible says to.’ Uh, no.
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It’s hard to believe that anyone who actually reads the Bible could think that, isn’t it? However, at one time, that seems to have been the default setting even for people who are revered for being great Christians, such as Martin Luther and Matthew Henry (he wrote an excellent six-volume commentary of the Bible in the early 1700’s). I’ve long used the Matthew Henry commentary alongside my daily Bible reading, but was quite shocked to come across a passage where he was virulently anti-Semitic. That, from a man who had spent his entire life deeply studying the Bible, even in the original languages. Which just points out that we all need to be aware of, and alert to, cultural influences which contradict the Scriptures!
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I should do that. Right now I’m on a Jimmy Aiken kick.
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“But Da JOOS killed JESUS!” Is the refrain of every useless midwit since the French king Phillip took out his first bank loan and blew on wine, whores, and losing to Richard Lionheart.
This is also why Crusader memes, Tradbro doomscrolling, and half-minute TikTok Islamic simping is no substitute for actual theology.
Meanwhile, in the clearer air of old Baptist hymnals:
“Behold the Man upon the cross
My sin upon His shoulders
Ashamed, I hear my mocking voice
Call out among the scoffers
It was my sins that held Him there
Until it was accomplished
His dying breath has brought me life
I know that it is finished.”
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Amen.
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I see a bunch of different reasons it’s coming up now.
First, there’s a lot of free floating anger right now. And group hatred has been taught for a few generations now. Jews are a distinct group that is also seen as white enough that they can fall into that category of socially acceptable racial hatred.
There’s also a lot of Middle Eastern nations that have solid propaganda budgets and absolutely need a scape goat for their own massive failings. Combine with the religious conflict between Islam and Judaism, and they are a ready made target to pour tons of money into hating.
Also, they’ve been tightly aligned with the Left for decades, so their cultural leaders absolutely self-flagelate with the best of them.
For the tribalists, Israel is also a small civilized power: because they don’t do massive horrific atrocities, they fall into the soft / weak horse end of the spectrum.
And for the globalists, Israel is a modern, Western nation, with a history of restraint dealing with genuine incomprehensibly savage barbarians. So many, rather than wrestle with the reality of the Hamas crew, just, pretends like none of that is actually real, and instead use soft power to press Israel to be gentler and more restrained and more legalistic when dealing with Hamas. Because anything else requires them to acknowledge that there are actually psychotic barbarians. Easier to pretend it is all the fault of the Jews being ‘too mean’.
I suspect this ends with people being burried up to their necks in termite mounds, either one side or the other.
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I suspect that there are some, who will never admit it in the open, who romanticize the Arabs as the knights of the desert, a la the movie Lawrence of Arabia, and who still see Jews as shopkeepers and nerds, a settled people who are not as dashing and “cool” as the mounted warriors of the sands. Arabs are the exotic other, better because they are other, while Jews and Israel (but I almost repeat myself) are familiar and thus contemptible, or at least inferior to the noble savage on the beautiful horse.
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Horse? More likely a scruffy, grouchy camel. Horses don’t do well in the desert.
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Camels and horses may have abounded being ridden in the past, but based on released Predator videos, it’s goats nowadays.
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Not only are the psyops themselves notable, but also the ignorance appalls.
Does an atheist or communist member of the CCP understand enough about Christianity to design a psyop about the Jews that is plausible to Christians? What does a Russian know about American culture, and about psy-ops plausible to Americans? What does an atheist or communist or anti-Christian member of European academia know about Christianity or Americans when it comes to psy-ops against American Christians?
What about Muslim knowledge of Christians and Jews? Some of them do know some things, some of them are ignorant.
Some American atheists and American muslims do understand enough of American culture to understand why discarding real world info about the internal peace consensus, and then pciking on a ‘canary in the coal mine’ is simply self-incriminating.
One we know that Muslims who wish to kill Jews also wish to kill Christians, because the later two document that the prophecy of Jesus testifies that Jesus is divine.
Two, we know that ‘decolonization’ means the death of 90+% of Americans, due to starting from 13 colonies. Nobody has the shooters to make this happen, and even appearing to endorse this political theory may have been suicidally insane of the academics and of the Democrats. So, yes, people can cry about the Settler-Colonalism of Israel all that they want, but, I ask of them, “I do not know, what do you mean for Americans?” Far far too many of them have also specified that they wish to kill the Americans. The Jacksonians were already pissed at Iran, and basically would cheerfully exterminate any ‘Palestinian’ who so specifies that they also will kill Americans. The distinction between killing Israelis and killing Jews and killing Christians and Americans is maybe likewise fine enough in our eyes that we think there are vanishingly few ‘Palestinians’ and foreign academics who do in practice thread that needle. (Those foreign academic bastards who supported Harris in her pandering to decolonization can go frustrate themselves.)
Three, academic modeling of America fails, because the descriptions are not predictive, and in fact fails to describe that American Protestants are the real foreign policy advocates for the Jews. This is part of a multi-faceted academic failure, covering such failures as domestic policy on blacks, abortion, gays, trans, femininism and women, and so forth. Christians in America are not well described by most of the academic subculture of America, and you do not hear a lot of discussion about how, Jews make up a small portion of the vote, and the policy is driven by large numbers of protestant voters who do not think the way that the academics or the Muslims predict. Yes, the CAtholic voters also are not going “the Jews are such a problem for us, that we want to back the murderous lunatics who also deny the divinity of Jesus”. The Catholics are about half the protestants, and Jews are maybe a fourth or fifth of Catholics, or less, as voters in America. The Jews in Isreal know about American Protestant support, even if the theological basis for it makes them very uncomfortable. It is just embarassing (‘cringe’) that actual faculty in American universities are so willing to be caught documenting themselves ascribing American choices to Jewish conspiracy, as a serious and literal scholarly hypothesis.
Jesus was a Jew, at least ethnically, and so were many of His disciples. If one can call Jesus and His disciplines a conspiracy, then it is a Jewish conspiracy. I really do hesitate at this joke, because I am poorly educated in Christian theology, and it does feel like it could be similar to blasphemy that Jesus actually does hold grudges over.
Furthermore, I don’t know if the Holy Spirit can be legitimately described as a Jew. According to Protestant theology, the Holy Spirit may serve a central organizational role in the Christian Church. I am even more badly educated about Catholic and Orthodox theology.
Again, I am feeling very uncomfortable that this is too close to blasphemous statements that Jesus does hold grudges over, of ascribing the miracles of Jesus to the devil.
“Of course Christians work closely to the direction of a Jew” is further from such blasphemy, but saying that the whole of the Christian Church is a conspiracy (thus criminal under some theory of law) is very far from what Jesus seems to be asserting in my eyes in what He had His disciples say about the legal proceedings around the Crucifixion.
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The bumper sticker slogan “My boss is a Jewish carpenter” is quite popular among American Protestants, and I’ve seen it as an actual bumper sticker several times. I’m not plugged into American Catholic subculture to know if it’s as popular over there, but my guess is that it’s at least as popular and possibly more popular among Catholics than among Protestants.
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Yes.
We can point to individual Christians who are suspect in their practice, theology, and fruits of the spirit.
On the whole, I think that a lot of Christians might be pretty sound, and of good humor about it all.
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Russian culture is and has always been deeply anti-semite. I think it started there.
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The modern stuff, probably. The English upper class’s disdain for the book-learned played well into disliking the folks who actually wanted to get paid back what they loaned, be they Jews, or Christians in “the trade.”
I suspect the older stuff can trace to tribal gods, and that some Christians pointed to the Jews and declared “They don’t worship the right god, so they are bringing down the wrath of OUR G-d on us for putting up with them.” LIke Luther did with Catholics and Jews, and Slavic pagans did with Christians and vice versa, and the Romans did with Christians and Jews, and … [wanders off, muttering in Historian]
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It didn’t start there (Russian culture is not that old), but it certainly flourished there and never went away.
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Now what? As stated above, work on an individual level according to your nature.
My nature is to point and laugh, sneer, deride and ridicule.
Make it socially unacceptable to espouse such view, and a bunch of these clowns go away.
Make it unprofitable and another group disappears <cough>Tucker Carlson<cough>
And for the final group, to misquote history: “First they came for the Jews. And we shot them in the face. The End. Now let’s eat!”
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Thank you, Jon. I too am sick of this shit.
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Its easy to divide with hate, and the Communists/Democrats can’t get votes if people aren’t divided. Hatred of Jews is easy, but they forget, the reason Jews are in banking and other jobs is because that was the only job they were allowed to have, in some cases they couldn’t even own land. They were limited to certain trades. They had no choice but to join together against all the hate they experienced over the centuries. And why, because they believe in their own faith. People who kill and hate to solve a religious disagreement have volunteered for extinction in my honest opinion. And we should do everything to help them on their way.
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Thank you for this.
From the time I fled to my new home from then-almost-not-Soviet Russia, and for more than thirty years, I would honestly tell anyone who would ask, that I had left antisemitism behind, and how grateful I am to G-d and the United States of America for that.
Just a couple of years ago I was talking to some good friends at the house where I was a guest, that of a pastor in the Deep South, and when asked, I mentioned that in all those 30+ years, there were exactly two instances of anti-semitism that I have encountered here in America. And both were really a stretch, at that.
The first was not even half a year after I had immigrated and got my very first job, at a local McDonald’s (local being central MA). Another minimum-wage worker, an immigrant from Cameroon, told me in an off-hand fashion that Jews control the finance. He had never seen a Jew in his life. I told him he just met one and asked to explain why I, while controlling the banks, was there working side by side with him for $4.25 an hour. He never did.
The second was a quarter of a century later, after we bought our house. I had a handyman over to fix a few things flagged by the inspection, and in one of the conversations he complained about how a customer of his, some old lady, “jewed him” out of some payment. Again, it was not conscious antisemitism, he had no idea I was Jewish, and the old lady was not Jewish. It was just a figure of speech he used without a second thought. The experience jarred me pretty badly at the time, but that was exactly because it was such an extraordinarily unusual one. One simply did not expect it in America in the 21st century.
Fast forward barely a couple of years. I am armed whenever we go to services at our synagogue, and I am being asked to come to events to provide security. My kids are learning which slurs denote Jews, because they are being hurled at them at school and by their scout “friends.” At a Holocaust-themed class at their school some students and a para laughed and suggested a showing of Sponge Bob after a video of liberated extermination camps was shown. That made for an interesting conversation with the administration and some teachers.
The most vile forms of Jew-hatred, the stuff that would make Goebbels blush, is suddenly everywhere. It is suddenly mainstream on the left, and the Jewish Question is suddenly the reason the self-proclaimed far-right decided to murder the MAGA movement.
Yes, it is an op. Yes, there is nothing organic about it. But the sheer magnitude of it, the sudden acceptance of it, the very magnitude of outpouring of it caught me completely by surprise.
To quote myself from elsewhere, if you ever wondered how so many Germans across the board managed to turn into Hitler’s Willing Executioners blaming their neighborhood Joos for all that was wrong in their lives, all in mere 25 years, wonder no more.
Just look at what has been achieved right here of all places, in the last 2.5.
On the plus side, there’s this tweet: “Worth noting that antisemites keep winning Democrat primaries and losing Republican ones.”
Also, I try not to forget that internet is not real.
But it is hard. The Babylon Bee ran a couple of articles making fun of Massie’s loss, and suddenly their comment section is flooded by thousands of groypers doing the “that’s not funny!” meme and calling them “Babylon Bibi,” etc. They became an enemy overnight. No other subject did it. The Jewish Question did, in an instant.
I know it is not organic. But that doesn’t mean it is not real. And it is very hard not to get depressed and overwhelmed.
Then I read something like this, and that helps.
So, thank you again.
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“Fast forward a couple of years” is from the time I had talked to those pastor friends of mine. It’s been almost 20 years since the handyman conversation.
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I was utterly astonished at the absolute FLOOD of anti-semitism that poured out of universities and the media here in the US after October 7th. Like Jon, I’m Mormon, and our beliefs have always been that the Jews/Israel are God’s chosen people, and that this is important. It doesn’t mean they aren’t human and don’t screw up–they’re just like all the rest of us–but God made specific covenants with them that He *WILL* fulfill in the latter days. Which means that hating Jews is definitely NOT okay!
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I wasn’t really surprised by the universities, and had no visibility on the media.
I’m wackjob enough to understand how an academic idea can derange a theory obsessive fixated on it enough. So it is easy for me to understand that choice of academic hypothesis can be harmful and not neutral, because of the effect that it can have on the mind of the careless scholar.
Chomsky’s linguistics, and onwards through more modern academic fashions of ideas point a line at hating the Jews, and blaming the Jews. It is not a surprise that some of these people have convinced themselves that Jews did it with a conspiracy. It is unsurprising, because the scholarly hypotheses they are working from are basically positing epicycles of conspiracies.
I am an American and love America. I disagree with their violation of the norms of our domestic peace.
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When being a “victim” is the best way to get good grades, then to win accolades from peers and get grant money, it opens a lot of doors for everything from Pretendians to vicious Antisemitism and attacks on people who happen to note that chromosomes only come in to standard flavors, that being XX and XY.
Communism turned into “Race and Gender Theory” only makes it worse.
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Let your heart not be troubled. I mean that not as a simple “don’t worry, be happy” sort of tripe. Those involved in attempting to trouble you are only gladdened by your suffering. Know that every instance of joy, contentment, peace, and friendship you hold frustrates them.
That in and of itself is reason to seek out the good things in life. They bloody hate it when we’re happy. They hate and envy both happy families that raise strong, intelligent, and moral children. A part of me pities them for that.
And yet we each must meet each day on our own two feet. One cannot lead such unruly minds to things like reason, decency, faith, common sense, or trust. Not simply or easily, nor in even a moderate amount of cases.
Know that you are not alone. We too see the spontaneous hate that sprouts overnight like the most poisonous of weeds. Some of it is bots. Some of it is just the garden variety of idiots demanding attention by any means necessary. And some of it is the violent bandity types that hate civilized people almost as much as they envy the trappings thereof.
Keep your situational awareness. But remember to seek joy. It may be cruel of me, but nothing warms this old heart more than seeing the frustration of such fools as would seek to tear down what they never could build on their own.
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“internet is not real”
I’d say this should be a t-shirt, but given the recently released clueless “postmortem” for the kneepads presidential campaign, for its included heresies the Dems are stacking wood to burn the current DNC chair at the stake, I’d be averse of giving them any clues whatsoever, even on a t-shirt.
I instead will follow the sage advice of a famous frog:
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I will note it was always a problem in VERY “liberal” places, which is why older son assembled a group of Jewish friends and went to the admnistration to point out their history teacher was advocating for a new holocaust. THAT was interesting and shook me when I heard of it afterwards.
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Those who love evil hate goodness. Whether they love evil for itself, for a middle-finger-in-the-eye love of spite, or just because they love something that goodness does not allow, they will hate goodness, even when represented by imperfect people, as it must be in this world.
Some hate the light because they have it not. And some hate it because they cannot bear what it reveals.
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As to who killed Jesus, it was me. He died for my sin. Willingly. A debt I could never have paid.
No one familiar with the New Testament should blame any one group of people. Romans 3:23 states all have sinned. Romans 5:8 states God showed His love for us because Jesus died for sinners. Romans 6:23 states the gift of God is eternal life. Romans 10:13 states that whoever calls on God’s name will be saved.
Hate has no place here.
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This. Each of us piled it on.
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Starship about to launch.
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Starship has launched!
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USA! USA! USA!
Had a look at the Space X prospectus. Can you say “leap of faith?” I knew you could. I’m buying anyway, but anyone who does better know exactly what they’re doing. I’d prefer that XAI not be in there since that’s actually the most speculative part of the whole thing and the level of BS in the AI space — I hate that word — is boggling.
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Contacted my investment advisor at the brokerage. He told me I can buy 1 share of SpaceX in the IPO if I want. I guess, the brokerage will aggregate the individual trades into a bulk purchase? Anyway, 10 shares is definitely more doable than 100. He also said they are trading at $650 on the ‘private exchange’. Not sure what that means. Are they trading futures and/or options?
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It’s actually a fairly common, fairly dubious practice that exists almost entirely in the tech world where mere mortal laws simply don’t apply. I suspect the difficulty comes with the notion of shares. Both Private and Public companies can, usually do, have shares and they can be bought and sold.
A public company means anyone can buy shares in the public markets, through an exchange mostly though some are “over the counter.” There are no private exchanges, though they seem to act like there are and the SEC never, ever prosecutes the tech lords or venture capitalists for anything since doing so would limit the SEC enforcement attorney’s future employment prospects. A private company only trades umm privately or at most “over the counter”. That last is where it gets dubious, either it can traded privately or publicly and if publicly, it’s a public company, with all the regulations and disclosures. Trillion dollar companies trading over the counter like a penny stock is ridiculous. It’s really grey and It really p-sses me off.
Still, if you know someone who owns a piece of space x they might be willing to sell you some of it. Alternatively, that person might place it over the counter, where a connected broker can buy it on your behalf, but probably not because you’re not one of their high value clients.
The price of the shares issued in the IPO may have little to do with the shares in the private company. The IPO has two classes for example, where Musk controls the class of shares to always control the board and everybody else has no say. THat class of share may not be available for sale at any price. That’s another tech thing really popularized by Zuck. The tech lords don’t play by the same rules the rest of us do and were Musk doing anything other than going to space, I wouldn’t touch this with a barge pole, that and the fact that betting against Musk has been a fools game.
I’m going to wait a week to buy, just to see how it plays out, but that’s me. As I’ve said, this is not an economic decision for me, it may turn out to be the biggest bust in history, or it might turn out to be a lolapalooza. I suspect it won’t be mediocre.
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I’ll guarantee it won’t be boring.
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I’d actually buy shares in Musk’s Boring company, I think that’s still separate from the others. They’re going to need lots of tunnels bored on the Moon and Mars.
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wait till the AI IPO’s come up. They’re going to dump that whole toxic, over leveraged, underperforming pile of sewage onto retail and the pensions whilst they walk off as centi-billionaires. I’m going to have to really restrain myself. I don’t know why tech seems to have a higher concentration of psychopaths than Wall Street and DC. Must be the San Francisco water.
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The only viable move to make on those is to sell ’em short.
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He’s sick of it? How does he think we feel?
***Don’t take this the wrong way, we treasure our allies and supporters.***
However:
I’ve spent most Saturday mornings over the past three years, not attending services, but sitting outside, so my fellow Jews can worship with a slightly greater sense of safety.
I have to be careful not to wear anything “too Jewish” when out in many public spaces.
I’m constantly worried about my older relatives who live in New York City. Especially with their current mayor.
It seems almost weekly some politician on the left or right, is calling us out as evil or deserving of some special punishment.
The Democrat party is currently supporting a candidate in Maine with a literal Nazi tattoo, and another in Texas who thinks we should be put in camps. Again.
Every day I expect to hear about another attack against my family or ancestral homeland.
So keep this in mind if some of us seem a bit touchy or short tempered.
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That’s a part of why I wrote this: I figure my Jewish friends and associates ought to know they’re not alone and we’re not about to let them be such. Those assholes who come for you would most assuredly come after my fellow Mormons. I’d rather see the sons of Hamaan be dealt with now, before it gets worse.
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I’ve always said, Jews have got to be the toughest people on Earth. For thousands of years, one group after another has tried to ‘wipe out the Jews!’ Most of those groups are literally history. The Jews are still here.
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A couple of verses in the Book of Mormon come to mind –
4 But thus saith the Lord God: O fools, they shall have a bible; and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they receive from them? Yea, what do the Gentiles mean? Do they remember the travails, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto me, in bringing forth salvation unto the Gentiles?
5 O ye Gentiles, have ye remembered the Jews, mine ancient covenant people? Nay; but ye have cursed them, and have hated them, and have not sought to recover them. But behold, I will return all these things upon your own heads; for I the Lord have not forgotten my people.
6 … Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?
2 Nephi 29: 4-6
I know most of you don’t see the Book of Mormon as scripture. But regardless of that, I think the sentiments expressed above are perfect for the themes discussed here.
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A refusal to learn from repeated history. Those places that at least tolerated, not embraced, merely tolerated, Jews did fairly well. The places that did not, did not. And this has been the case over and over.
Does this mean “The Jews” have some nation-crushing ability? No. It means they are history’s coal mine canaries. If a nation or group is actively trying to do harm to Jews or exclude them from common needful things, they are simply the first on the list. Get away while you can, even if you are not Jewish at all.
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