How do you get someone to go to their death with a smile on their lips? You convince them it’s heroism, and for the greater good.
How do you get someone to kill their country/their culture/their home with fervor and so full of altruistic fervor that given another aim they would be saints? The same way but more so. The indoctrination starts early, the meaning of words is subverted, the ideals implanted unsustainable and wrong. Until they can’t have any thoughts that don’t lead to killing all they came from.
There are times the first is justifiable. All the Christian martyrs who went to the lions with smiles on their faces and singing hymns had a very realistic victory over the Roman Empire. They planted seeds in the minds. They subverted. And lets face it, Roman culture as it was needed to break and be born again. (Though the fall of Rome at the time still marked a very real increase in barbarism. But for Rome to become civilized it needed boundaries and a marked decrease on authoritarianism. Actually debatable whether it got that, but that’s a long discussion and not what I wish to talk about. Pardon me. It’s early and I’m not focusing well yet.) But it’s never justifiable when it’s “Kill yourself and the world will be better off.” That’s always a lie, even when it’s me thinking it at three am. Knowing it’s a lie is what has kept me this side of the sod.
The second can be justifiable also, and it can be a quick betrayal, a stab in the back. The long slow betrayal we’re seeing, is never justifiable. It’s the same “Kill everything that made you and the world will be better.” It’s compassion turned on its head. It’s lies forged and beaten into a knife to cut your throat.
Which brings us to this: https://x.com/Bubblebathgirl/status/2036417548040733081
Or if you prefer: https://xcancel.com/Bubblebathgirl/status/2036417548040733081
Go look at it. This is Senator Chris Murphy, D- Connecticut, and you can say he said “the quiet part outloud”: “The people we care about most, the undocumented Americans that are in this country.”
But the amazing thing is how he said it. He said it like it was matter of fact, and of course, everyone is going to agree with him. Of course that is who is there to serve, the “undocumented Americans.”
Now he doesn’t look any smarter than your average soup cockerel in any yard, and has the same kind of rooster-intelligence — I peeked at his bio. — He doesn’t come from money, or at least not openly so. His mom was an ESL teacher, though his dad was a manger or something or other. But he went to public high school, though I note a year abroad at Oxford, which denotes ambition and some money from somewhere (we could never afford a year abroad for the kids. Much less at Oxford, which is a step beyond.)
But still. How do you say the words “undocumented Americans” with a straight face and not realize what you’re saying contains several fallacies in those two sentences?
Stupidity? Undoubtedly, of course. As I said, there is an unreflective quality to his expressions. But not he’s been winning elections since class president, so it’s not only that. And while elections in CT are doubtless as rigged and fraudulent as everywhere in the country (maybe more. They’ve been rigging them for two centuries plus) there is also, I betcha, a lot of people who vote for this guy. I know because these people are my kin by marriage. (Maybe not literally. I don’t know if any of the blood kin are left in CT. Well, documented blood kin.)
My husband’s family on the paternal side has been in the country since the second shipload of colonists. (They weren’t vulgar, so they wouldn’t be in the first. Too showy. (Yes, that’s a joke, but they’d laugh.)) So I know the personality and the character. They were Puritans with the P for purpose branded in the soul. If what I’ve gleaned between the lines of the family history and the online boards devoted solely to the argumentation about said history (don’t if you prize your sanity. There are weaponized autists who have devoted their entire productive lives to arguments over the problem of the two Walters. I’m serious, don’t go there) they were survivors on the losing side of the aftermath of the Glorious Revolution. I.e. they’d been defeated but still weren’t sure they were wrong.
Their blood, and more importantly, their basic personality traits infused New England, shaping the culture, sculpting it, absorbing later waves (like the ones that led to Chris Murphy) and integrating them into the same Purpose-driven, tightly focused, vaguely autistic quest for Utopia on this Earth.
There’s much to admire in the New England character. I admire it myself to the point of marrying into it. Look, the Mathematician and I dampen each other’s worse excesses and by being very alike yet almost opposites — we’re both Odd, we both fail to understand how other people don’t see what we see, and we agree on general principles of what would improve life, the universe, etc. BUT he arrives at things fact by fact and as emotionalessly as human flesh can contrive, while I lurch from lunatic intuition to sudden inspiration, and check the facts afterwards — We taught each other over the decades that other people aren’t being STUPID: they’re genuinely different. And we taught each other to dig down on what we think is already proven, the received wisdom drunk with mother’s milk. That’s one of the advantages of multicultural marriages. But there are other ways to get at it.
That strain from the absolutely Odd puritans in a way infused all of American culture. And provided the faith those people receive before they’re old enough to think about it is functional, it can achieve great things. It doesn’t necessitate great intelligence (that’s arguably a down check. One thinks too much) or great wealth: it gives you the ability to work madly, to ignore sacrifices, to do what “is right” even when it hurts you and to not count the years lost for what you consider great purpose.
Arguably it’s why Dan was the one to bury his dreams of music and math so I could write my way to professional. (Was it the right decision? No. I can say that looking back. Could I have made the like sacrifice? I don’t know. you see I’m not GOOD. He is. I try to be good, but the basic character isn’t there, ready-made to purpose.)
The problem then is not the character. Arguably, that autistic strain is what makes America great and what will take us to the stars, if we go.
No, the problem is that our every institution and our very culture has been weaponized to be an engine of destruction. Not just ours either. All of the West.
Chris Murphy said that and counted on a great number of his voters to hear it and think he’s a great man and more importantly GOOD because it’s true. Because they will. And they will because they absorbed the same swill — never explicit but there — from nursery school on. To us, on this side — most of us Odd, and therefore having rejected the Koolaid we were fed with formula in our bottles or with mother’s milk because she’d ingested it — it seems like a self-own, like saying the quiet part outloud. To them, his constituents, dour New Englanders who live conservative but vote Marxist, it seems like an obvious comment. And praiseworthy. Look, what a good man he is, speaking for the voiceless, looking after the powerless and all that swill.
They will pass, unremarking, over that “Americans” without ever pausing to think that people who are here “undocumented” because they didn’t stop long enough at the border to get documents, or burned the documents that told them to show up for an hearing on their “refugee” status in ten years, AREN’T IN FACT AMERICAN.
They actually don’t think of that “American” at all. That’s just something you append to the end of a group to be polite. It doesn’t mean anything. It started with African-Americans, the most INSULTING moniker for black people ever conceived of. As though having African blood made them somehow African forever, even if some of their ancestors have been here the full two hundred and fifty years, and not a few of them having actually participated in the war for freedom. It’s like saying “Oh, but they tan, so they are forever African. Never full American.” (I want that moniker to be sharpened into all corners and shoved up the rear of anyone who pushes it. Black is fine, and all of my black friends call themselves black. If white is okay and black isn’t, it’s the “polite” people who are racist.) And was popularized with every group of immigrants: Irish-American. Italian-American. French-American. Etc. Etc. Etc. Can you call me Portuguese-American? Sure. Lots of people do. Never to my face, the cowards. It is in a way an appropriate description because I’m a first generation immigrant. I started out Portuguese and am now mostly American. (About 95%? I don’t know if the last 5% will ever come online. Who knows? Maybe before I die.) But honestly, at 63 and having lived here twice the time I ever lived in Portugal (and much more if you consider “conscious adult) and all of it in utter isolation from Portuguese culture (I went back very rarely, for various reasons, though money was foremost, and I self-consciously isolated from any Portuguese immigrant groups, most of my instincts and immediate responses are American. (Yes, it annoys my birth family. It doesn’t matter.)
But the thing is, I’d be the first to tell you it was neither immediate, or predicated on crossing the border, nor accidental. I WANTED to become as American as possible. It was insane amounts of work, often painful. Even then it was a good 10 years before I even had a clear picture of what I was aiming for. And probably 20 before I passed when alone, by myself, in a grocery store. And then only because “American” is a broad church. We encompass a lot of body-language, a lot of unconscious expressions, an immensity of tones of voice. Other countries have a much narrower and more uniform group of “acceptable” and it’s harder to change to fit there.
Heck, I would say the work couldn’t be completed until I raised kids in the US. Through them I got the experience of growing up in America, vicariously, and it helped immensely. (It’s why when I’m being casual my mannerisms and short-hand speech tracks 20 years younger.)
So, am I Portuguese-American? In the broadest sense, perhaps. What remains of Portuguese is that I count and pray in Portuguese. I have a bottomless store of grandma’s sayings and aphorisms, but weirdly I’ve found a lot of them are bog-standard… Irish? (Really? No idea. I guess it’s general Celtic under-culture. Fascinating but not relevant.)
Mostly I’m American. Odd, sure. But American.
However that took, besides the legal process, which was easy — easier than it should be, if I’m honest — a lot of self-conscious adaptation, learning, studying, imitating. Oh, and living with the Mathematician.
To be blunt: America is a culture as much as anything else. If you reject the culture or aren’t even aware of its boundaries, you can’t claim to be American.
And here I differ from the people who scream that “it’s not magical dirt, you don’t become American by walking over the border.” They are right of course, in that statement. Every inch of it. But most of them believe it’s magical dirt, and you become American by being born in it or having a number of ancestors who were born in it. To them I say “BAH.” You can be un-American or even anti-American having been born here, and having generations of ancestors born here. Having in fact ancestors who fought in the revolution. Many people are that.
And it’s not even a conscious rejection of the founding or of American culture. It’s American culture weaponized against itself. I give you Chris Murphy as an example. He’s American. Born here. Of parents born here. Went through school here. And his schooling, his learning, his education brought him to this stupid place where he not only thinks those who walk over the border — singing the anthems of other countries, and unfurling their flags — are Americans merely lacking documents to be fully American, but also that they should be his primary concern. Doubtless because they are “underprivileged” and “Downtrodden” And–
Each of these is a term of art, which means nothing unless you buy into the whole Marxist framework born again under the stupid but persuasive hand of Gramsci. “Under Privileged” doesn’t stand rational scrutiny. Is there a mark on the tank of privilege that tells you when you’re just privileged enough? “I’m sorry mom, your privilege is two tablespoons over. We need to adjust that.” And what is “privilege” anyway? It seems to be “having enough to eat, and a little over to save” From everything the left says, if you’re not living under a bridge and pooping on the street, you’re “privileged.”
It only makes sense if you think of people as widgets and possessions as immutable, and coming from nowhere. In that scheme any material wealth (understood as a pot to piss in and above) in one group that another group doesn’t have is stolen from the other group.
OF COURSE THAT’S NOT REALITY. Any six year old knows that’s not reality. Even in childhood, where most material goods are in fact handed to you already made, they know there are kids who break their toys as soon as they get them, and kids who treat their toys with near-reverence, so that in two three years the second kids have a lot more than the first, and there was no stealing involved.
And any adult knows that. Even those of us who aren’t very good at keeping our eyes on the ball, and who know that when we hare off after some crazy artistic goal we’re leaving money on the table, know that we could have done better and had more. And we all know, even now, people who make a lot from very little. My mom and dad count on that. Insanely hard work and denying themselves all fun for years to build a house and retirement accounts. (Look, I was fourteen the first time we went to a restaurant as a family. Before that their guilty pleasure was the equivalent of dollar theaters, playing movies so old some of them were still silent. And it was just them, a date night.) And mom worked all the hours G-d gave and sometimes squeezed a couple of them no one knew from where. They did better than their peers, but they never stole any of it.
Because, of course, wealth can be created. Otherwise we’d all be fighting over the same set of flint tools.
Anyway, the point is, the cant we receive starting in elementary, the very language has become corrupted. “Underprivileged.” “Unhoused.” etc. etc. each one a lie that reduces humans to having no agency, to being widgets, just members of a group.
Think I’m exaggerating? Well, feast your peepers on this. https://x.com/covie_93/status/2036441375021957518
Or for the x-less: https://xcancel.com/covie_93/status/2036441375021957518
Yes, the poster, either black or wearing black-digital-face says:
Seeing Black ICE agents doesn’t sit right with my spirit.
Why would black ICE agents be any different than white ICE agents, or Latin ICE agents or purple pokadotted ice agents?
Interesting question that. Particularly since, if you go by groups black people in America have the MOST reason to be upset at illegal immigrants. Why? Because black people for various reasons (and if you say institutional racism you’re correct, but not the way you think. More because Democrats, controlling the institutions have made a lot of effort to prevent black people from following the path of every other minority group to integrating with the majority. Segregation didn’t get encoded into law because people WANTED to segregate but because people didn’t want to, and the democrats preferred them segregated.) have lagged the other groups in integrating with the American population at large, and a lot of them got caught in the welfare trap. The way out of the trap is minimum wage jobs to begin with. And illegals undercut, undermine and make the real minimum wage what you get paid under the table while drawing from every welfare program possible and sending it all overseas except what you need to hot bunk with sixteen guys in a one-bedroom apartment. Black people are literally the most affected by illegal immigration and open borders.
So why would they not help enforce immigration law?
Ah, now you need to be up in Gramsci up to your neck to get that. Unless of course, like the poster you just take it as a law of nature, because you were spoonfed Gramci from your cradle.
Every time I post on this, I get someone glitching that that’s not taught, and it’s not Marxism, and they were never taught Marxism and/or Marxism is just a sophisticated method of economic analysis. They’re the fish screaming they don’t in fact live in water. And water doesn’t exist. And it’s just H2O.
But the fact is they grew up and were fed on the end product of Gramscian Marxism.
Marx was actually both a racist (I know you’re shocked, right) and a British chauvinist. The communist revolution was supposed to come about using the British Empire as a vehicle. It was the British workers that would usher it in and the rest of the world would follow because they’d by then be British in all but name. Hence the workers of the world would unite and– BUT Marxists really bought that international proletariat marching shoulder to shoulder. And of course the Marxist revolutions came about in countries that were to put it mildly backward and not through workers at all. But more importantly in WWI the “workers of the world” fell in each behind their own country. (This is the reason the Marxists go foam-at-the-mouth crazy at the mention of nationalism.)
And then Gramsci saved the whole thing by retconning it. It wasn’t workers. It was the “Downtrodden masses”, the people of poor countries, those that tan, the dark skinned people. From a distance, tribal culture looks like primitive, utopian communism. From a distance, their poverty is because white people, the “colonialists” stole everything.
None of this stands examination, any more than any other form of Marxism. Tribalism is not communism, except in the sense that end-stage applied communism resembles the worst tribal cultures. And colonies aren’t poor because the colonizers stole anything of value, but usually because they are tribal. (And these days imbibed more Marxism than allows them to be functional.) But it looks good. From a distance. And Western Marxism love their Italian-flavored Gramscian Marxist koolaid.
So Chris Murphy? OBVIOUSLY he should be in the service of the darker skinned people, who are natural communitarians and will usher Utopia to America, once we stop being over-privileged and share our all with the “undocumented Americans.”
I’m not saying this to excuse him. It’s inexcusable, and I hope whoever runs against him crucifies him on that. Though don’t be surprised if his CT constituents don’t understand he said something wrong.
They imbibed the same gospel starting with The Giving Tree, one of the most evil books ever written, and passing through every school text on the downtrodden and under privileged. They collected toiletries and treats for the underprivileged — read junkies, strung out — under the bridge and learned that working the soup kitchen was the acme of virtue. If they are a little better off, they worked for the Peace Corps where they were told the people over there are poor because we are wealthy (Have had Peace Corps graduates parrot that at me.)
The problem is not Chris Murphy. He’s part of the problem, sure, and people like him will kill us if we continue allowing them power.
They will destroy the last best hope of mankind in the name of Utopia that they think will come if they work for the “downtrodden” without ever asking WHO actually trod down on them. And they’ll do it with a smile on their faces and thinking themselves virtuous.
The problem is that people of that bend of mind, people who infused America’s backbone with that ability for great sacrifice for a great cause have been mind-jacked by an inimical ideology. They don’t even realize they’re killing everything they love in the name of utopia that will never come.
The solution is to teach your kids well. For the love of heaven, if they’re in public schools make sure you know everything they’re taught and counter it vigorously at home. Do not withhold in the name of “but I want them to fit in” or any such stupidity.
Teach your kids well.
But teach them what? I’m tempted to say take them back to Judaism or Christianity (depending on your flavor.) Because while that’s corruptible (what isn’t in human hands?) it’s not aimed at Utopia in this world (the puritans learned) but Utopia in the ever after or after a salvific event that changes the very nature of humans.
However if you’re not a believer yourself that’s a bitter pill to swallow. And might be impossible, because mostly kids learn what you don’t teach but live.
So?
Teach them USAianism. Teach them the virtues of our country and culture. Teach them that no, not all cultures are alike and Western culture is demonstrably better — for all our faults — because it lifted the most humans out of dire poverty.
And teach them that in Western Culture, American Culture is the apex — for all our faults — because we are the engine of that prosperity — both through innovation and sheer focused work — that lifted most humans out of dire poverty.
Teach them our history, our founding documents. And realistically, not through the warts-only lens.
For people to stop walking to death with a smile, they need to learn they are worth it and the black dog lies.
For cultures to stop committing suicide, convinced they’re doing it for the greater good, they need to know they’re the best and Gramsci lied.
Go make it so.
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The old blue collar union card, and the university degree as the white collar union card.
The blue collar has finally split from the Democrats, because of Democratic dedication to immigration as slavery, and because the Democrats have picked white collar over blue, and blindly encouraged the blue collars displaced by environmentalism to ‘learn to code’.
Some current university researchers are a bit distressed about academic specialists who are displaced. Some specialists and fields are a little displaced by new budget priorities. Some are displaced by things like radio telescope folks, who have one part of the world that is still good for radio telescopes. (middle of Australia, apparently. )
University researchers generally have a problem. Part one is that everyone, including them, thought that they could synthesize the fields and come up with optimal planning and arrangement for human societies. It was in the culture to believe that scholars got their field correct, and that fields could be synthesized for ‘good’ answers, up right until someone saw counter evidence, and then often the skepticism was often only extending to the counter evidence. Part two is that they provided broadly accessible documentation that this was not so. Part three is that some of them have been trying to make human society a vestige to academia, and have a big mad at pushback. There will be a correction, and there will be displacement.
In general, the end of the third reich saw a lot of displacement of people who had worked hard at what they were trying to do, who believed in it, and who thought that they were saving the world.
(One of the cheap currencies for a political movement is ‘saving the world’, and so any ‘save the world’ hypothesis should be viewed skeptically. )
I do not regret that 1946 saw unemployment among the Einsatzgruppen C, or that they may have felt their dreams betrayed, etc.
Some jobs are really bad for the soul.
Anyway, when a civil war is practical, and if the other side has enough willing shooters, then maybe you actually do need to outright kill a bunch of them.
But once you can be sure you are below those thresholds, you absolutely need to consider other alternatives.
Salvaging them, as you imply. I think that witnessing would be correct, but I doubt that I am right enough with Jesus to hop in and do a good job of it.
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To your latter, some of us just ain’t the preaching type. As a Christian and a curious one, best I can give out is to live a good life and limit the amount of suffering I inflict. Some of it is necessary for growth, but I’m not everybody’s dad. If you can live a good enough life to be worthy of emulating for another person- especially one feeling lost, alone, and adrift in a world that makes no sense- that’s a good thing to do.
Sometimes just being the one that gets back up after being knocked down a dozen times and keeps on trying to do the right thing is enough.
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Same.
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Amen! Too many people have fallen for all the lies, need a good dose of reality and the real history of our country and our ideals. Not the BS that gets shoved into too many kids and leads to the anti-American stupidity we have seen too much of.
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“…but weirdly I’ve found a lot of them are bog-standard… Irish? (Really? No idea. I guess it’s general Celtic under-culture. Fascinating but not relevant.)”
The Celtic underculture is like an STD. It goes with the territory. Also, American culture is the omnithief of good stuff. We steal from everybody, so long as it’s good/tasty/fun. And then we take it back home and put up taco huts, holidays, make kitsch-y clothing and silly bumper stickers.
On the more pertinent cultural abomination, that’s more like a lab-grown virus. Completely artificial, but apes things that underlie the awake and cognizant mind. There are habits and traditions within it, and habits and traditions are, and this is important, stronger than the overculture itself.
These things exist below thought. Unexamined, uninvestigated. They are things that are just done because that’s what one does. They signal membership in the group more than arguments and even talking points. It takes time to lay down those foundations, but they’ve taken the time. Education. Entertainment. Environment. These things reinforce the habits and traditions.
Habits and traditions are harder to break than surface level indoctrination. They are the grooves in the mind and personality as it exists over time. And the last fifty years have worn those grooves deep. Thus, to deliberately conflate the image, the fracturing we see today.
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It is not the Celtic Culture per se that I think is the issue. Your average Scot/Irish/Welsh are hardworking and relatively self-reliant. The issue is that the more marginal/cultural attenders have misunderstood the Catholic/Christian teachings of their youth. They are cultural Catholics/Christians, and have substituted works for grace rather than understanding grace produces works. So they try to help the poor which they understood one of the works that was the way to heaven. They look at some passages of the bible without trying to comprehend it as a whole, particularly picking and choosing without handling it in the whole context. And to a large degree, they do this without actually knowing that they are leaning on those misapprehended teachings. The Reformed side of the Aisle does no better witness the bizarre behaviors of ECUSA and UCC churchgoers. I think we will see this changing. At least in the Northeast (and likely west coast California etc), attending church is uncommon except in devout families. As the AOC age, Northeastern politicos come online, they have no direct exposure. Rather, their training is the secular Gramscian/Marxian “faith” that suffused their schooling from K to Senior year in college. Other than the sheer horror of this it will be interesting to see where they end up.
And Does Mr. Dodd believe what he spouts? I’m about 25-30% likely this is a no and he is playing for position, the other 70% says that that soup Cockerel our hostess mentioned probably has at least 20 points of IQ on him.
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In his book _Black Rednecks_, Thomas Sowell pointed out the parts of the Back-Borderers (Scots-Irish) culture that blacks picked up, including a relaxed attitude toward work schedules, reduced importance of marriage before pregnancy, and a few other things. The Scots-Irish/ Border culture is part of the Celtic cultural suite as a whole, but only a small part of it. [David Hackett Fischer’s _Albion’s Seed_ has a great chapter on the Scots-Irish and their ways and influence.]
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Civilizations are built upon shared and actioned Virtues. Those may differ from civ to civ, but there must be that majority-shared set to keep it going.
Rome fell apart when its shared virtues became uncommon. Folks mostly reverted to “me, my family, my tribe”, and too few were left to say “Rome first”. “Centurion” was a very-high-skill high prestige position. Once too few folks took up the burden, and too indifferently, the Legions fell apart, culturally, then Rome fell apart.
The left would make a civilization of shared Vice, Envy for one. This the hard left can only destroy.
Why is America so resilient then? Because the Right is the majority, and the virtues still supported, else we would have collapsed decades ago. Also shows the Left is nowhere near a majority, or we would be more like Zimbabwe.
Job isn’t over, but know we are winning. Traditional values resurgent, Left screaming in outrage and “NO! NO! No it isn’t! No they aren’t! Waaaaaa!”
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anthropology type modeling
Americans know savages as individuals by the actions their beliefs inspire in them.
Academic model says that savagery does not exist, only oppression and unfair bias.
The material perspective, which I sorta know how to argue, allows for a wide range of psychological behavior, which we can empirically fit a model of to a wide range of documented cultures.
I do not know how to argue the spiritual perspective.
Hoowever, cultures that really sincerely believe that human sacrifice and and cannibalism have magical power under one’s control, do have distinctive traits. Done right, the material perspective seems to make a lot of the same predictions as the spiritual.
Academic subcultures could be inspired by Marxism to build non-predictive models that also reassured them that communism could win. Drum circles for Tinker bell, as correction to their insecurity about what emotional meaning a degree has.
If they had used some of the tools available to them, tools in principle acceptable to atheist academics, they could have predicted that a) leftist mystery cults would wind up behaving in certain ways b) those behaviors would /not/ impress Christians as something outside of the power of Christianity. If one goes to a lot of trouble to research and listen to Christians, including Christian hearsay about missions, it was potentially easy to predict that Christians would conclude that Christians should evangelize. The conclusion of ‘we should evangelize’ is very common and persistent among Christians. The presence is maybe one of the tells for whether a Christian sect is functioning as Christian.
If one had honestly done a first principles examination of the hypothesis of ‘there is a culture war, and Christians lose it to Marxists’, there is a prediction to make of what the Christian ghost dances would look like. It takes a very blinkered person working off of scholarly records, with no drive to empirical test and direct observation, to just use a facist model to describe Christians and be wholly satisfied that all is correct in one’s thinking.
Fascists ghostdancing would I guess use violence, or whatever.
Christians under stress might use the prayer, and stuff. Being salty at ‘thoughts and prayers’ should be a hint to a communist that they have plugged in a wrong model.
Next to that, mispredicting Christians winning, versus Christians losing and ghostdancing is maybe not as big.
The communists had the perception that shooting Charlie Kirk counted as a win for them.
They do not have the background information to guess that Christians might see it as a win, and as a renewed call to the faith.
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The Fascists which are just another branch of communists are ghost dancing in violence.
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If I talk about breeding horses or dogs everyone agrees with the inherent genetics but if I apply that to humans everyone denies it.
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First) Dogs and horses are not moral agents, humans are.
Second) Even carefully controlled animal breeding programs result in sports, mutants, and physically perfect specimens with undesirable behavioral traits.
Animal breeders get rid of those problems by neutering them (rendering them unable to reproduce) or killing them.
Good luck applying that to human breeding.
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Also, all these species have way more variance than humans. We’re ALMOST as inbred as Cheetahs.
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Humans are WAY more complicated for one reason you idiots keep ignoring. We’re so inbred we’re essentially all cousins, compared to other species.
What you guys keep identifying as unbreachable gaps are actually cultural and learning.
Yes, there are genuinely bad and stupid people. I believe I’m answering one, for real. BUT those are sports thrown out of the average humanity.
Alas, there’s no way to breed people like you out, Slick.
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I’m not quite certain that isn’t a bot. The horses/dogs thing is a sign of blindingly obvious narrow minded niche badthink. The kind that certain flavours of wokist (which word makes me think wakka wakka wakka! it’s that dumb) tend to secretly admire in practice but ascribe in outward expression to their opposite number.
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Those are feelings not logic or reason. It runs in the family became common usage for a reason. Haiti has an average IQ of 70. A white person would be declared non compis mentis. And that’s average so half of them are below that. We used to call people below 85 retarded but so many minorities were below that we changed it to 70. Notice I can make my agument without attacking you personally. Genetically all dogs are very close to each other. And yet they are very different. Dogs bred to be mean are mean. Dogs bred to herd sheep are good at it. Without even being taught. People make up the USA. Better people = better USA. Im not talking about a breeding program for people. Im talking about not importing dumb savages.
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Dude. No, those aren’t feelings. You don’t understand IQ tests or humanity.
Take yourself off, please. Lest you be culled.
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Inherited traits are real. Intelligence is real. These things can be objectively measured. An individual IQ test can be off, certainly, but over a large sample size mean and average will out. Whatever unnamed mistake you think I am making is impossible to rebut as it remains unspecified. Two mentally deficient people are far less likely to produce intelligent offspring than are 2 intelligent people.
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No one has any idea what genes contribute to intelligence.
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Yep. Or how much is nurture. It is known that kids tend to match adopted parents — if with them from birth — more than parents. And no one knows WHY. This is before we get to epigenetics, which are really strong in humans (and I think made me celiac in my old age.)
And then let’s talk about intelligence — the kind measured by IQ as a liability.
I’ll just say and leave it here I could only get published and start writing stories other people WANTED to read after I got major concussion and (demonstrably) became slower, if not dumber. And it was ONLY after the second concussion I stopped writing stuff that people with doctorates complained was difficult without effort.
Look, when you’re interacting with normal people “high intelligence” only confers advantage if you’re ONLY slightly smarter.
True geniuses — I raised two — tend to be perceived as a little nuts by normal people and only as smart by people normal people consider geniuses.
The “gifted” classes in our schools are mostly filled with the high normal who are also agreeable and have high social intelligence.
But this goober thinks he can tell who is really super smart enough to breed them. AND worse he thinks that this will produce a better human race.
It is to laugh.
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Not attacking you, but the claim: that IQ difference you’re talking about is bullshit. One of the most important things measured by IQ tests is familiarity with the type of test that it is, and guess who has the least familiarity with such things? Your ostensibly “naturally retarded races.” (Put another way, I’ve known way too many highly intelligent black people to believe that they’re naturally of lower IQ than anybody else.)
Now, I’m not saying that there aren’t differences between groups; there are. Just not big ones, biologically speaking; our biological differences population groups are trivial. But if there are differences between various groups of humans — and there demonstrably are some pretty big ones — what kind of differences are they really, and where do they come from?
They’re behavioral, and unless somebody’s suffering from a psychological disease, culturally determined. This thing that everybody insists on calling “race” isn’t that at all; it’s CULTURE.
There’s a computer analogy Sarah has used here many times (but not recently): our hardware is upright-walking Great Ape, biologically not so different except for our advanced logic circuits, with the core emotions, prosocial instincts, and a certain capacity for violence baked in. Culture is the operating system, which determines what we consider actual prosocial/antisocial behavior to be and conditions your reflexive expectations for how civilized people act.
Culture is self-perpetuating, very slow to change, and deeply embedded, as (unlike an actual machine) parts of your biological wetware actually shape themselves around it during your formative years. (Language, for instance, is embedded in our brain; any language you learn after your toddler years is basically new software that has to be recalled via memory and be translated by the original firmware when you use it.)
Also, the places that are persistent, unfixable shitholes are so because they’re running an outdated OS: Tribal Culture 1.0. Western culture, aside from the debilitating Marxist corrosion, is an upgrade that improves freedom, safety, and prosperity by extending the idea of “tribe” to a very wide range of people. (And this is also its vulnerability, via the suicidal empathy hack.)
Anyway, thank you for coming to my TED Talk, etc., etc.
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Nobody is arguing about whether or not intelligent members of said minority exists. We know they exist. I’m talking about averages. On average.
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At the risk of feeding the bot: did you know, braniac, that diet and parasites have a greater effect on human intelligence than anything else? Breeding counts for nothing compared to these two.
And that is why Somalia and Haiti have low IQ. Not breeding.
You idiot. Back under your Chinese bridge.
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Yep. And also frankly IQ tests are not exact science.
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The “lazy Southerner/hillbilly” stereotype—the one that actually had them sleeping all the time, not just unwilling to labor—is thought to be directly traceable to a parasite that is routinely treated now before it becomes chronic.
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Yep.
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The averages are crap. Even if they are a reasonable approximation of intelligence, they don’t mean what many people seem to think they mean. Problem is, this talk of genetics and race always ends up as a rationalization for stripping humanity away from large swathes of people.
Realizing that culture is where the rubber meets the road, you can make a morally grounded judgment: their culturally determined behaviors may work for them, but will *not* work for us, and therefore we shouldn’t be letting masses of them into our nation. Individuals may be admitted if they show willingness to work very hard at adopting our culture (and it is a very hard thing to do). You can protect your society by treating groups like groups and individuals like individuals, and nobody has to be dehumanized to do it.
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Also if he is going on IQ alone I hope he’s jumping for joy to bow to our new Chinese overlords. Whose civilization is so great– Oh, wait. No. They’re continuously mired in dictatorship and poverty, and seem to get amnesia every thousand years.
It’s almost like High IQ means nothing for a society at large.
I said it and I’ll repeat it. To improve the human race we should eliminate people like Sooper Slick. Only we won’t, because we’re humans. He’s apparently something else.
Maybe his uncle writes him letters?
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And adopting a culture is incredibly hard, even if you come from a Western culture as I did.
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There’s a lot to unpack there. IQ does not help your argument. Race does not help, either, because race does not exist. Not as it is used by 99,9999% of the population. Humans are human. Race as used by most people is a dumbed down chimera of culture and visual phenotype. Currently, humanity is very extremely limited in genetic variability.
Next, dogs are genetically close to each other, eh? Dogs and wolves are close enough genetically- genes from the latter exist in chihuahuas. Fewer than 80 genetic markers are linked to about 80% of the size differences, but consider that dogs have been deliberately and scientifically genetically bottlenecked for longer than any human culture has existed and longer than we have written history. Humanity does this with animals we domesticate.
Humanity itself went through several severe population crashes. The most severe, arguably, was nearly 930,000 years back. Estimated 99% of the variability in the human genome, gone. Caput. As a species, we’ve clawed back a smidgen of that, mostly through random mutations that got added to the gene pool (surviving offspring that iterated, etc).
Big Chief Ogg Nogg didn’t decide to delete 99% of his neighbors. It’s laughable to think he even could, considering the time period. Glaciation event takes the top spot for viable killer, but plagues, floods, etc are still in the running.
So then: dogs are engineered genetically by humans. Humans are apocalypse survivors. A plucky band or two that managed to escape complete annihilation.
Not importing dumb savages: piss poor way to present an argument. Great intelligence can lead to great calamity. Don’t be too seduced by intelligence being an always good thing. There are arguments for retaining some elements of savagery and barbarism. Good soldiers have quite a few of these traits, but keep them leashed around civilian populations at home.
Now, not immediately accepting the prison population of other countries with open arms is a thing I think a certain recent presidential candidate made a part of his platform. Murderers, rapists, child botherers, thieves, durggie peddlers and whatnot are not what the average joe and jane wants.
That is why the ideal process would be to vet every prospective immigrant carefully. Realistically, it may mean cutting off immigration from certain countries for good and practical reasons for the time being.
Wherever you’re getting your argument from has led you astray. You can do better. Quit talking about the IQ and dogs and horses. Look at culture, criminality, and threat. I would take an undereducated Filipino that wanted to learn about and be an American as hard as he could over an educated Palestinian who hated us to his core.
Craft your argument better and research your supporting data from better sources.
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If you’re arguing in favor of testing immigrants for intelligence I’m for that. Make it colorblind. Perfect. But you can’t then later say that the results are somehow racist if they favor Europeans and Japanese.
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Nope. Not happening. Testing for intelligence is not part of the package. Test for the same things America needs. Can you speak English? Do you have job skills or are you able to develop same? Will you swear allegiance to the United States, abandoning all others? Will you follow the laws of the United States? Things like that matter.
Most adults can get to that point, if they are motivated to do so. Test them to see if they have criminal history. Not “I was a political prisoner because my country shot those who protest against the kleptocracy.” Criminal history like, again, murder, rape, drug peddling, etc.
Immigrants must be: Law abiding. Sworn to follow and show allegiance to the United States, not any other country. Working and paying taxes, same as any other American citizen.
They should be: Acculturated. Able to live and work in the country without special dispensation or accommodation.
Are you aware of the USCIS Naturalization test? It does not directly measure intelligence. It doesn’t need to. It measures knowledge of United States laws, language, history, and culture. That stuff matters. And it already exists.
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What he said. All that he said.
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Take the American university system as an example; you have to be above average intelligence, or at least not stupid, to get a PhD and join the ranks of academia. Yet that insular society of very smart people has dedicated itself to a host of incredibly stupid and harmful ideas (in the unshakable conviction that they are Good and Right) for several decades now. They’re the primary architects of the cultural suicide attempt we’re fighting, and we’d be better off without them. Smart does not entail being good or useful.
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A thing that I specifically deny is practical feasibility of eugenics. I claim that the pragmatics and timescales ensure measurement problems, and control problems, such that breeding program will not on purpose cause positive effects.
An effect is baked into the questions. This being whether it has long been accidentally established that all of the really net positive mutations are fairly widespread, and the remaining mutations available with positive effects also have situationally negative effects.
What has tens of thousands of years of prehistoric warfare done? Arguably, the accidental consequence was selection for better intelligence, as well as for whatever genetic basis for complex social behavior we have.
That genetic basis being things like mirror neurons, and following one’s monkeysphere. Not the specific complicated social behaviors built on top of the instinctual social behaviors.
So the remaining non-uniformities that we can verify are things like ethanol metabolism, bipolar, etc.
The basic finding that shows that these are not culture is the extent to which intelligent introspection shows that culture is a choice.
But, beyond that, there is a fundamental problem in using humans to purposefully implement selective breeding of humans. As I started with.
Humans have the same lifespan as humans. That means that information collected about human offspring from pairings decays at the same rate as collection, more or less. (and human to human information transmission is a problem here.)
Humans are managing humans. That means that the people driven to control breeding outcomes are perhaps much more than offset by the people who want to have intercourse without restraint. IE, Jim is in his fifties, and wealthy, he wants to have intercourse with women in their twenties, who are willing. Edith is in her seventies, and does not want Jim having intercourse with more than a single woman, and or has a complicated breeding scheme she does not wish to have ‘ruined’.
We can successfully moderate sexual behavior to an extent, but there are profound limits to the extent that we can mandate sexual behavior without getting everyone very angry. People attach a lot of emotional perception to the reproductive act, forcing and compelling the act it will inevitably not arrange the emotional perceptions like stones on a playing board.
Beyond that, again, people die before they influence very many generations with their wishes. Generation to generation transmission of ideas about good and bad blood both are unlikely to be accurate and well proven, and even if they somehow were, would be too detailed to pass around over many hops. You also cannot count on recruiting the physical violence and soft power enforcers for any hypothetical ‘good’ scheme.
Eugenics is a hobby horse for chowderheads, who are not smart and well learned enough to understand the statistical modeling of the genetic problem, nor to evaluate basic second order effects. Eugenics is a just so story that only works if every variable happens to line up to a specific constant value. In the real world, seeking it always has negative behavioral effects worse than whatever genetic cost.
Mixed consequence intelligence mutations can offset a lot of moderately disordered intelligent people with a few rare high performing intelligent people. (Who may actually not be extreme high intelligence.)
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Plus eugenicists never seem to think of a control group. It’s always “we get to decide who breeds with whom For A Better World” or similar. *sigh*
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You brought up breeding programs. I did not. I just want low IQ 3rd world people kept out of the US. I don’t care who they breed with in their own country. Or in other countries. I just don’t want them here.
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Zero in on “third world people.” What makes them third-worlders is culture, not IQ. The smart ones are every bit as third-world as the dumb ones. There’s plenty of low-IQ Americans, and they’re no less American for it. Meanwhile, high-IQ Americans aren’t actually better by nature; universities are full of high-IQ American citizens who are actively harming us because their minds are running Marxist malware instead of American culture.
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Indeed. My wife teaches Chemistry at a small state college. Some of her best students are first and second generation African (mostly Cote D’Ivoire) and from various Caribbean sources. These folks rival or exceed even her best students. One pair of twins ended up a research MD and a Biochem PHD and both are doing very well. Why is this so? I think it is culture. In the example of the twins she and the other Professors were invited to the graduation party. Being polite she and three other Professors from her department made an appearance. The Professors were treated like visiting royalty because learning and teaching were deeply valued by the parents and their culture. In addition, the parents (rightly) viewed their children’s effort as a way to become part of the American culture and contribute to the Society they had intentionally joined. This is what we want. Many of the Americans (of all “races”) don’t really have an interest in learning they’re just trying to float through just like they did in high school, and unsurprisingly, it shows.
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Yup.
Whivh is no doubt why many of the habits that lead to success (including things parents can do to help their kids) are denigrated as “white privilege”.
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READING TO YOUR KIDS. Older son was also told that having books all over the house was White Privilege…
We mostly bought the books used as cheap entertainment. But, carry on.
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Indeed as our hostess says there was a movement in the early 2000’s (from the UK I believe) to NOT read to children as it gave them unfair advantage over those not read to. I think I remember hearing this nonsense on NPR.
The other thing I have seen is that having some (smallish, 20 perhaps) number of books in the home was a distinct advantage. Again I think this was mentioned on radio and my daughters boggled and then laughed at that. This was because between My (large) SciFi and Fantasy collection as well as my wife and my collected professional books and my own addiction to military and Science history, our house probably has well into the low thousands of books scattered about in shelves throughout the home. Our type of decorating has been referred to as early library by our daughters, (who themselves have picked up this vile habit :-) ) .
As I say in other comments here I think some large part of intelligence (50-70%, maybe more) is due to nurture, in particular EARLY exposure to language, reading and math. I also think free time to just play and fantasize is critical to mental development. Yes there needs to be SOME training and as age increases, effort put in to encourage persistence and learning how to figure out YOUR learning style and adapt what is provided.
To a large degree current pedagogy ignores this. It is FAR too dependent communal/group experiences, and rewards far to often and to easily. This discourages a factor sometimes referred to as grit or persistence because what traditionally happens is the most able (or perhaps the most persistent) child grabs the reins in the group work, and everyone else in the group is along for the ride. The hangars on THINK they have learned the material, but when they need to apply it individually they cannot as they never really learned it.
This is particularly true in the sciences (returning to Chemistry and my Elder daughters teaching of math/algebra). Students think that being present for something (like watching a YouTube presentation) is teaching them. However, Math and Sciences are a practicum, you learn by doing (and failing in many cases). On top of that, they are hierarchical i.e. they have lots of dependencies. In English classes, you use the same skills to dissect Shakespeare as you do to dissect Twain or Hemingway or Ralph Ellison. There are specific details to periods and styles, but they are generally orthogonal to each other. But in chemistry if you can’t master calculating grams/mole of a compound (a skill learned in the first week or so of Chem 101) almost everything else in Chem 101 (let alone 201, 301 etc) is outside your reach. If algebra if you don’t master solving Y=mX+B, most of the further algebra (and Algebra II trig and Calculus) will be out of your grasp.
Having never learned either to master a skill (as the feedback on skills is badly skewed to praise) or to KNOW when you actually have mastered a skill (broken feedback system again) these students have been betrayed by a system that lied to them. To paraphrase from the Incredibles “when everyone is a winner, no one is a winner” I keep hear Lt Col. DuBois lecturing Juan Rico about his prize in the field events. I have thus returned to a reference to a USAIN saint. Thus endeth the lesson.
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Might be this study:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0049089X18300607
Which has the number of books by country, and Turkey was 27; an American with at least 80 books tended to be on par with a college graduate who had “hardly any” books around.
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Your original comment was:
If I talk about breeding horses or dogs everyone agrees with the inherent genetics but if I apply that to humans everyone denies it.
So please stop weaseling, little collectivist.
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Perhaps because those are animals and not people.
People are not widgets for the likes of you to fold, spindle or mutilate, collectivist.
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“…but if I apply that to humans everyone denies it.”
Human breeding is not a thing, bro. Except to Socialists. They seem to love the idea.
You’re lucky we all stop at denying it.
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Human breeding has been a thing. Witness Royalty like the Habsburgs, Victoria’s grand children, and the Ptolemaic rulers of Egypt. This has all the issues of breeding dogs or cats. This is because one of the classic techniques in animal breeding is very close (First cousin or sibling or parent/child mating) breeding. This produces all sorts of issues (Find pictures of the Habsburgs, Look at the sickly Ptolemaic princes, or the various hemophiliac descendants of Victoria, or honestly, Charles III). In animal breeding, you can cull the undesirable side issues, but that obviously presents issues with humans.
Ethical issues aside (and there are HUGE ones here that you really don’t want to touch) breeding humans for intelligence would be almost impossible. What features are you looking for? Intelligence? IQ is a somewhat Biased measure, but it is doubtful, even using that measure, that it resides on a single gene or even a single chromosome. And it is not clear what part nurture plays in the development of Intelligence, my own biased opinion is nurture is probably 50-70% of the issue . We’ve bred smartish dogs (e.g most herding dogs) over 30-50k years but their lifespan is far shorter and they reach maturity far sooner than humans. Dogs reach maturity at say 3 years. We’re probably not there until really until early 20’s. So say 18 so 6x the development say 180-300K years. And of course there are other issues. Many of our dog breeds have serious physical issues that stem from the inbreeding to hit the standards. We also have pushed the physical limits of the dog form with many of the larger breeds having issues like hip dysplasia.
All in all thank you no I suspect that the issues that lurk there and the time scale are just unreasonable for humans.
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A bio researcher I know says “autistic” is just another word for IQ above 130. Meditate on that a moment. And that it gets more severe the higher the IQ climbs. Yeah.
OF COURSE they can’t really say that in public.
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Yeah there does seem to be a causal relation there. I don’t think its quite ALL but it is some high percentage (like 95%+). Certainly applies to all the genius types I’ve ever met.
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Yep.
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You’re lucky they stop at “Denies it,” since a base requirement for getting horses and dogs up to a level where we can even start to select for some traits would involve a lot of slaughter, and people who get all dreamy-eyed at the idea of that are threats otherwise. Somehow, they never realize that they are among those that their theory holds should be culled as too hostile to the breed.
The more someone actually knows about breeding animals for desired traits, the more they’re going to recognize the attempted comparison is trash– get a dog breeder talking about someone who wants to breed their wolf-mutt cross for “I like this one.”
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Dig down deep enough and they’re all alike in hating themselves and thus greater humanity as a whole. It is a deeply disturbed cult that endorses human sacrifice, mass population deletion, and cultural/ideological reeducation while also allying itself with enemies that would happily see them impaled and stoned with literal rocks to death merely for existing as they are.
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IE, what if the bronze age collpase was not climate change or whatever scare story.
What if those kings were running human sacrifice, and a preference cascade killed the belief system once it statistically chanced onto being unpersuasive.
The holes in the human spirit in which a human sacrifice cult can root are very widespread. Those weaknesses can be pushed out with another religion, but if the field is left uncultivated, it is very easy to breed a new human sacrifice cult.
The features of a culture with a human sacrifice cult are what we in our own cultural perspective term sick (psychologically pathological) and evil.
Eugenics, communism, etc. Academic theory type idea, taken as mystic dogma in cases where it is wrong or inappropriate, and used to give emotional purpose to one’s life. An evil emotional purpose tends to sicken the personality, and may lead to evil deeds.
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As far as I can tell Fascist are just communists that let folks keep what they as long as the state controls it. It is more honest about keeping its existing upper class, rather than choosing a new upper class.
From the view of the Hoi polloi either is similarly miserable. You’re a serf/slave without any of the (Albeit pretty poor) protections an actual serf/slave had.
They are essentially herertical variants of each other which is part of why they fight like cats and dogs.
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Fascists are national socialists. Communists are Russian socialists (yes, supposedly international socialists, but it was always Russia with its hand up the ass of the USSR puppet, pretending to be international. So.)
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So, feeding people wrong models would have seemed an immediate tactical win for several generations back. Artificially inflate the outer party from those most naturally vulnerable to party claims.
But, it had an effect on strategic decision making, in that the current leadership was whining about Christians, but not looking for evidence of Christian behavior. So their models fed into strategic choices that have maybe cost them their gambles. (Not clear that the gambles ever had a possible payout, but in hindsight it very much looks like Obama, Biden, Harris, and Walz directly cost the opportunities that Pelosi, Schmaur, etc. were hoping would pay off. )
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Sarah, I think that last word should be majority,
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You’re correct.
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Who was it that said there is no such thing as a hyphenated American? I think Teddy Roosevelt but it may have been Robert Heinlein.
Re “black is a fine term to use”, indeed. But it seems that a few years ago newspapers adopted the rule that it must be capitalized. So I am “white” but someone else is “Black”. And definitely not “black”. I noticed this in the WSJ, so it’s not just far-left rags that do this, though admittedly the WSJ newsroom has drifted left quite noticeably.
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From what I remember, Teddy Roosevelt said it first.
As for “White”, as far as I can tell “White” means “People That It’s OK To Hate”. ☹️
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I’m not capitalized White. I tan too easily. Just low case white that’s gotten a bit tan. :D
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Like Trevon’s victim, do anything the leftoids dislike and you become White. Be you 60% African or anything not 100% NativeTribe Hispanic, even and then you might get edited to be White, or to hide the Non-whiteness (like carefully cropping a picture of a black guy at a 2A rally carrying an AR so none of his skin shows and you can then claim White Supremacist!!1!11!eleventy)
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I may have lost the record, but I did once write a thing where I talked about a Japanese or a Korean as being a white immigrant.
Which is giving to much respect to terrible ideas, but also makes sense given awful definitions.
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Unless you are my five year old nephew who was apparently traumatized by his visit to the Philippines to see his grandparents, and who now is very, very insistent that he is white and will never be brown.
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My kids would be hard to sell on a year abroad as is, because they visited Portugal…. and lived as natives.
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Another related thing, my wife discovered recently that a really good way to get him to behave is to tell him that what you want him to do is what white kids do, and what you do not want him to do is what brown kids do. After the first time she told him “white kids don’t jump on the couch” I was laughing for hours. Because she, a Phillipino, said it so naturally, and it worked, but it is something that no American would ever say.
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Some Americans would say it, but only to encourage the behaviour. “Not jumping on the couch is white privilege!”
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LOL. This reminds me of someone hearing us on the phone saying “No white boys on the couch” and thinking it was the most racist thing ever.
The white boys were cats: Havey and D’Artagnan who were under suspicion of having peed on the sofa before…. :D
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Reminds me of a “friend of a friend” story. A friend who played miniatures wargames related a story about another player who had painted up an army with squads differentiated by colors, including white. One day he referred to “the white guys”. After a moment, he realized what he’d said, and everyone had a laugh. The name stuck for that squad, as well as “the black guys”.
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Oof. I can imagine. Should I ever have wee ones of my own, I would not like to subject them to the sort of upbringing I had. Not even close. Modern convenience is to be praised.
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It was the Associated Press that made the symbolic capitalization happen. They added it to the AP Style Guide, which propagated it throughout the entire news/journalism/commentary biz. Of course nobody is *required* to do what any style guide says…but the legacy press has been sleepwalking to suicide for a long time.
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They don’t know they’re already dead yet.
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Running around the barnyard with the other headless chickens.
Pigs, goats, sheep, and cows, at least, have sense enough to know they are dead when their heads are off.
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The first time I ever saw that “caps for one, lc for the other” thing was 20-ish years ago on some Stormhead/Skinfront/RaHoWa blog.
Guess which way they did it.
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The capitalization thing feeds right back into the Gramscian theory. Whites are Opressors, by definition. Therefore, their descriptor should never be capitalized, lest their inherent bigotry be reinforced. Blacks are Oppressed, by definition, therefore their descriptor should be capitalized, to signify their superiority as Oppressed Persons over evil and bigoted whites.
I hate being able to do this. I suppose it’s a sign of intellectual ability, but…..
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I hate being able to do it too. Makes me ill.
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Well, what you describe is a cargo cult of folks following ‘scholars’ and ‘academics’ in tertiary level theory, based on essentially fake tertiary degrees and secondary ‘educations’.
They’ve been repeating teacher back since primary, it is real to them, and repeating makes it more real.
Bunch of conspiracy theories about word magic.
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Poul Anderson (in Operation Chaos) suggested magical spells were more effected when spoken in a language foreign to the magician. Which is why African and Asian students werrpe coming to America to learn slang.
I think you’re onto something: our people are using the language of Critical Studies as the language of magic.
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It encourages ethnonarcissism.
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And a sense of being wronged, yes.
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“But still. How do you say the words “undocumented Americans” with a straight face and not realize what you’re saying contains several fallacies in those two sentences?”
I saw that clip last night. I saw bro realize he had put his foot in it halfway through the sentence, but he kept going. It’s noting but marketing to them. They say these things the same way commercials used to say “Whiter whites, brighter brights!”
Anybody else notice that there’s nobody talking about gay or trans lately? That dog stopped barking entirely. Pivot to what matters, padding district populations to get more seats in the House and Senate. That’s what they’re doing. That and industrial grade Gerrymandering.
These are people who have been practicing the smooth delivery of lines in the mirror since they were 20. Maybe longer. They just read the teleprompter, they don’t think about what it says. Except occasionally, like with this genius, who screamed “oh sh1t!!!” inside his mind while his mouth kept reading the script. When he said “undocumented Americans” he realized is was a little too on the nose.
Way to spill those beans, big boi.
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I think that gay men were the first thrown under the bus. Then backed up, run over again, and set on fire. Queer was a later addition, but that, too, seems to be falling off. It’s always been the L’s wagging the dog, but even they seemed to be being edged out by the T’s.
Then the envelope ripped and all the assorted filth that was contained in the movement started spilling out for everyone to see.
I don’t much care which way other people swing. That’s their business and whomsoever they choose to push or be pushed by on the swing set. But such people have been thrust into the spotlight and used for decades now. I think a lot of them are beyond tired of it. Tired of being used as pawns on a checkerboard, ne’er to reach the other side.
As we’ve discussed before, this newest pigslop of a platform is the inevitable result. The People hath betrayed the Party Eternal, thus the Party Eternal hath imported a new People to supplant them.
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Like 6-year-olds of my generation, today’s Progs seem to be very interested in other people’s Naughty Bits. So much so, that a “Pants Points” evaluation turns out to be surprisingly predictive of who gets jobs and promotions.
It’s basically a 4-digit binary, LSB first, with further subroutines triggered by which bits are on. Thus:
Black men outscore white women (e.g. the Steubenville Rape Case), gaze outscore both… you get it. Forget about getting hired if a black lesbian is also applying, unless you’re a trans-ghey-of-color–preferably with an accent, and a wooden leg. “Cis-Het” white males score Zero.
If that second bit is set, the algo calls a sub that sorts out “model minority” status, so Africa > India > Japan.
Try it yourself next time your local gubbermint is interviewing for a prospective fire chief or something. You can win bets with it.
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They say politicians are supposed to serve who elected them. Well….
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Okay, ma’am. True. But also OUCH.
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Oh, I agree, tar and feathers should be called for. Drat it all.
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I’m sure with Neighborcat’s proclivity for depopulating the local burbs the feathers should be doable in a pinch, should the need arise.
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Mrs. Lovett: “Here’s a Politician so oily it’s served with a doily, have one!”
Mr. Todd: “Put it on a bun, but you never know if it’s going to run.”
— ‘A Little Priest’ from Sweeney Todd 😁
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Trans “activists,” on Twiter are still tryng to persuade people there’s an ongoing, “trans genocide,” by evil bigots, largely Christian. I’m not sure it’s effective.
You do see furious lesbians complaining that the entire “gender-affirming care,” industry is dedicated to eliminating gay people, and that trans activism is men forcing themselves into female spaces. I’m inclined to agree with them.
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Trans genocide is straightforward: they’re alive, but identify as dead.
Kind of like the rotating hunger strike leftists do.
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I imagine that somewhere in the hollers of Appalachia there are still a few people for whom birth certificates were never filed. You could reasonably call them undocumented Americans.
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Yeah, but the US accepts a family Bible notation, some places, so they’re still documented.
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OT, but our guest has left and I have been a dumpling. However, I just had a morale visit by the neighbor’s black, not-quite-yellow-eyed cat. I think it was her, because she had front paws like little black mittens, complete with “thumb.”
I got thoroughly stropped and meowed at (she’s a mouthy little thing), before she came into the house and looked around. We finally went outside and i checked to see if she’d get in my lap. Not quite, and then she was off.
The neighbor apologized five or six times the last time she came over, for “bothering me.” He has her purely for rodent control in an outbuilding and I’m wondering if she’s starved for affection. At any rate,, since I know she’s his, I can’t just buy more cat litter and a bowl or two. *Sigh.*
(The restaurant kitties eyes are open and at least two of them seem to have a bit of orange. Whch is odd, because there are very few orange cats around. As in, I”m not sure I’ve ever seen any).
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The Orange girl got upset at me for spraying her off my desk, so she jumped at Dan’s head. He was very surprised to find himself wearing an orange hat.
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Meow America Feed Me Pet Me Again is a lot to put on a hat, even an orange one.
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Guys, Trump is a New Yorker, he may think that every American subculture is basically like the city.
What if this means that he has made a terrible mistake with the Mullin appointment? He is appointing an indian to decolonize the foreign criminals infesting our shores.
Now, Cherokee, /not/ one of the Great Plains Tribes, so how those tribes handled prisoners is an apples and oranges comparison.
I think John Bushyhead was a Cherokee. The criminals that ICE is deporting are not that much less awful than Nazi concentration camp guards.
Now, eighty years is time for gradual subcultural change, and the western Cherokee are maybe not like that these days.
But what if Trump thought that all Americans are culturally the same, and they are not? What if Mullin gets bored transporting captives?
OTOH, I am not on tribal rolls at all, and I am not particularly interesting in holding captives, or in transporting captives. That is why I have chosen not to seek employment with CBP, ICE, prisons, etc.
Jobs deserve people who care enough to do the jobs properly. I also would enjoy more and find more satisfaction in positions that correspond more to what I really like doing correctly.
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Lots of registered Cherokee were not raised in the reservation culture. (I know some myself.) So they’re going to have the values as varied as the areas they were raised in and the folks they were raised by.
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Another ophtoppic, but today is Tolkein Reading Day. The day the ring was destroyed on Mount Doom. So, far as I say, read something good today. Doesn’t have to be Tolkein. But, sit in your comfy chair in your cozy hobbit hole and read something that has a good story in it. Stories are in us, and we are made of story. Take in the ones that are good for you. Whether that’s cozies to keep you contented when life outside your door is gone crazy and getting nuttier than a whole orchard full of squirrels. Or action to keep you ready to face the unpredictable nature of job, bureaucracies, traffic, and peoples. Or plain old sci fi because it lets you have adventures that satisfy something deep in the soul while engaging your mind more than “Throgg smash ghoulface. Ghoulface get up, Throgg smash him lots. No get up again.”
Canoodle with books. But them, read them, recommend them to friends.
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Tolkien Reading Day!
To celebrate I pondered over the passage where Thorin says “I have returned” to the denziens of Lake Town. The lower classes believed and were glad. The upper crust, not so much.
I also sat outside and watched the various birds and pollinators.
Seems like an early spring based on the wildlife at 6,000 feet. Very early for Sandhill Cranes….
I devoutly hope that is a good thing.
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I’ll read the rest of this after I’ve had dinner, but – PREACH IT, SISTER!
“You can be un-American or even anti-American having been born here, and having generations of ancestors born here. Having in fact ancestors who fought in the revolution.“
I have always felt that every “American,” no matter how many generations they have on the “magic dirt,” should be required, at age 18, to make the Oath of Citizenship. If they refuse to do so, or later show that they did so falsely – automatic loss of citizenship and deportation to whatever country they seem to be aligned with.
(Oh, and another of your spot-on typos before that. Murphy’s father being a manger would explain a lot, if you have seen some of the slovenly cared for ones that I have.)
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I’m guessing that Durbin’s sojourn to Oxford was a result of a Rhodes scholarship. This is a pretty good indicator of internationalist one-world philosophies.
Don’t know for sure, and don’t care enough to look it up . . .
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*Obligatory “no relation.”
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Also, it wasn’t Durbin but Murphy?
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Yes, double Oops. Congressman *Murphy*.
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I do understand being salty at Dick Durbin, though. :D
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Do forgive me, I pray. I ought to have been more specific and called out Congressman Durbin to avoid any possible confusion.
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systemd has not implemented age verification
blog.bofh.it/debian/id_473 2026-03-23T00:00:00.0000000 Mon, 23 Mar 2026
“systemd has not implemented age verification This needs to be clear: systemd is under attack by a trolling campaign orchestrated by fascist elements. Nobody is forced to like or use systemd, but anybody who wants to pick a side should know the facts. Recently, the free software Nazi bar crowd styling themselves as “concerned citizens” has tried to start a moral panic by saying …”
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So early on in sad puppies, it was possible to speculate that the reaction against Sad Puppies was not political leftism, but the methods of leftism becoming mainstreamed enough to be used by leftists for personal gain.
I do not find it as easy to see things that way as I could then.
It is correct to say that systemd implemented only part of complying with age verification laws, and did not implement age verification.
Anyway, if someone is ranting about Nazi agendas in a not atypical FOSS dispute?
Yeah, they are probably a stressed leftist, who sees the age verification laws as a positional good for leftism.
Which doesn’t mean anything about reality.
Leftists now are perhaps stressed enough to see racist conspiracies in turnips, and a positional good for leftism in rutabagas.
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Who isn’t stressed? There’s no excuse for lefties being that blind.
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Correct. ALL that systemd did was implement a place to store age (or perhaps a birth year) associated with user accounts, if you choose to. So that if you decide you’re going to comply with a law (that is probably unconstitutional in the United States, but would probably pass judicial muster in the UK), then you have a standard way to do so, and software has a standard place to look up such data if they want to.
And in some situations, having age-related info associated with user accounts is useful, e.g. if you want a network policy that says “student accounts only get to visit the limited number of sites on the whitelist, professor accounts get unrestricted network access”. You would probably handle that with group membership, but I can conceive of some situations where group membership is already being used for some other purpose and not availble to use for the network policy, and so the network policy gets set to “under 18? Whitelist only. 18 or up? Unrestricted.”
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Yeah.
It is simply defining a format for information, that other software might use.
I can think that moral panic is reasonable anyway, on the basis of the laws and on people proposing to comply with it, and at the same time conclude that this element is a nothingburger.
(I find the element concerning, but think at this point it is safe to conclude that I get fussy about computers to a degree that is useless and wasteful.)
I was already on the anti-systemd bandwagon because I didn’t want to switch to linux and then have the same pain points that alienated me from Windows.
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Seeing Black ICE agents doesn’t sit right with my spirit.
To quote GKC’s Basil Grant, “Get a new soul. Get a new soul. That thing isn’t fit for a dog.”
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everyone who’s drive on snow knows black ice is dangerous.
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Waiting for the administration to announce ICE-9
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walking on black ice is not great, either. I once slid on my belly down most of a hill in Manitou. I didn’t know it was black ice. It looked like asphalt.
BUT idiot meant ICE. ;)
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I was peacefully reading at Insty, and I saw your post for Morrigan’s. I clicked on the link, to see how the site is going.
Just sitting here, a Peeve climbed up into my lap. Giving it a few pets, I allowed it to type something.
Peeve: “Might you advise your lovely Daughter In Law that the plural of machete does not include ‘a’p’o’s’t’r’o’p’h’e’s.”
Having thus provided a bit of vented spleen, the Peeve has gone off, back under the love seat, I think. As with most Peeves, it is not merely Petted but also Petty. I do try not to over feed my covey of Peeves.
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Oohhh, a petty petted pet, Peeve. I’ve been trying to coax mine from out under the sofa with smiles and soap. I have no railway shares, but I may have to resort to forks and hope.
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I like that.
There’s a poem in there, but I’m not poet enough (or, really, at all) to reframe it.
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The poem would be too snarky anyway. I tell you, I tell you, I tell you.
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She IS literate. In fact she’s a fairly good writer. BUT she has been working crazy hard. SIGH. I’ll tell her. Poor kid. Being young is very hard.
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Guys, the second Iran contra is like vietnam all over again; Key leadership figures for the Islamic Revolutionaries are hidden away in another jurisdiction where we do not dare strike at them. I speak of the Democrats in the United States, who are now among the most senior surviving members of the 1979 Soviet proxy takeover of Iran.
(Putin is apparently also still alive, but we can hit targets in Moscow and Beijing.)
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So Trent Telenko’s irrational regime hypothesis on twitter.
He overpredicts regime failures from irrationality. For Iran he explicitly cited his thread from 2022, where his prediction of Russian regime failure was premature.
Imma gonna say that the Democrats are irrational now.
They are on board with cheerleadering ‘from the Gulf to the sea, make mesopotamia arab free’ proposal by Iran.
They aren’t IJHQ irrational by any means, they are facing some challenges in the general elections, and are not purely infighting.
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Barron Trump apparently uses the internet to communicate with pretty young women.
The methodology by the Democrat activists concluding he was homosexual is clearly unimpeachable.
(He had a video call with a woman, while she was being beaten in the UK by an ex boyfriend. Barron apparently had a hard time getting emergency services to do anything. )
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Sounds like how everyone knew my future husband was gay. See, he was a decent guy and interacted with women like they’re humans or something…..
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Oh, hey, mine too.
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Well, since you’re a Mormon male, that makes sense. (with a great rack)
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LOL. I meant my husband.
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