The educational establishment of the US owes black Americans — and white too, but principally black — an apology, on their knees and with bent head.
Who in fucking hell thought it was a good idea to teach black people in the US that their people were the only ones enslaved, ever? That white people invented slavery because they hated other races so much or were somehow so racist (unlike the rest of humanity who kill each other batch lots for not being cousins.) And don’t fucking tell me that’s not taught in school. I’ve seen the books. I’ve also seen the results. More importantly I was told by an education major in the nineties — I SWEAR she survived the experience — that the idea of this was to “empower” black people. Because of course making them feel that people like them were uniquely oppressed and despised in the history of mankind is “empowering.”
Wait these are the same people who think having sex with a dozen men a night is empowering for a woman. They’re excused. Their definition of “empowered” is not accurate. It’s also not sane.
Two days ago on Twitter, some black guy posted a picture of a lynching and said that just apologizing wasn’t enough and that white people wouldn’t be forgiven for this, ever.
To which Colonel Kratman replied by pointing out that the people who did that are dead, and no person alive today bears any guilt for it.
He’s right, but more importantly: What in Mohammad’s left testicle does this person think he is? Someone descended from heaven, immaculate and with no human stain? Does he think his ancestors never did anything reprehensible, ever?
First, his being American and black, means he’s technically — unless his ancestors arrived from Africa last couple of generations — what’s known as Caucasian. No, really. Not only are there no pure-black ancestry black Americans, but the difference is obvious if you look at things like the picture of the mayor of Los Angeles junketing in Africa. Your first question is “Who is the white chick and why is she there?” He is descended from an awful lot of white people, and no you can’t designate half of your ancestry oppressors and the other oppressed. That’s not how this works. If there’s hereditary guilt he’s at least as guilty as the rest of us.
Second, slavery has existed, as far as we can tell, taking in account it’s really hard to tell from say cave remnants, but having observed chimpanzee bands and the like, well…. it seems like slavery or an equivalent thereof has existed since humans were humans, or perhaps even before.
Chattel slavery? Which is what the left tends to ask, to make the American slavery system uniquely horrible. Oh, please. That’s like saying communism and fascism are different, because one the state expropriates all the property while fascism lets owners nominally keep property while telling them how to use it. PFUI. Romans had to at some point establish laws that made it illegal to kill or maim your slave. This was always illegal in the US, because they were human and therefore it was murder. Yes, the law got complicated form there, but there it is. Both systems allowed the slave to be sold, separated from family, etc. Both took a human being and made him or her a convenience.
In certain parts of the world, like the Dahomey tribe in Africa — noted slave traders, through which most of the slaves to America were traded — it was perfectly legal, moral and accepted to have your slaves sacrificed in batch lots, one after the other over the tombs of your ancestors because that was what you wanted to do. The ones that made it to the US had won that particular lottery already.
And yes, the Dahomey were black. In fact most slave owners and slaves are what we’d consider the exact same race.
This is not what the slave owners and slaves would think, mind. Slavery goes back to a time when the people five minutes away were “foreigners” and “not human.”
In places where war went on for a long time, but cultures were very different, say the Moors and Christians in the Iberian peninsula, the hunting of and rescuing of slaves went on back and forth so much that eventually they looked exactly the same. And still it went on.
I don’t actually care what race humans are; what skin color; what set of features: Whosoever you are, you are descended from slavers and the enslaved; rapists and the raped; kings and peasants; barbarians and scholars. In the long, long, long history of mankind each one of us has enough in his ancestry to beggar the mind of the most jaded observer. Everyone of us has famous, infamous, admirable and despicable ancestors.
Holding people to blame for the crimes of their ancestors would mean putting the entire human race in chains.
Yes, horrible things were done to certain groups of people in the past. The groups changed, and yet horrible things went on happening. Horrible things are still happening today.
Western Civilization didn’t invent slavery. It did however abolish it, partly through the means of the industrial revolution, which rendered the whole thing counterproductive.
It still goes on most places in the world, and it’s legal in a lot of those vibrant, global South cultures the left loves so much. (And why should proponents of a system that enslaves mankind to the state not want to enslave people?)
If you are terribly against slavery and want to slake ancestral hatreds, by all means, make it your business to punish slave owners. Slave owners who own slaves now.
It is great and difficult work, and I will applaud you heartily.
But do not try to smear others with ancestral guilt. You only paint it on yourself.
According To Hoyt 
Which is precisely why the Constitution specifically prohibits ex post facto laws and Bills of Attainder.
Every “reparations” scheme I’ve ever seen violates at least one of them.
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There is also the important provision that no offense shall work corruption of blood. That’s a powerful principle that freed us from one of the worst causes of perpetual civil strife and vendetta.
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You’re right that a lot of African slave traders were black — slavery was the typical way throughout history to deal with the losers of a war. The other part of the story is that most of the rest of the traders were Arab. As far as I know, the role played by Europeans was transportation and delivery, but not supply.
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as bad as slavery is, it’s better than killing them.
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yes. Because of malaria, mostly.
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Also the Arab traders were big on castrating their slaves. So another lottery won. Who was it who wrote that one could cross the Sahara from oasis-to-oasis by following the skeletons of the men and boys who bled out on the journey?
It’s an ugly business, and the world is better place with the heads of those who trade in slaves on pikes.
As for those who sell themselves into slavery, or those who own slaves: that’s… Well, lot of grey on the knife edge of poverty. Sometimes people do the best they can in a wicked world.
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There’s a story about 100-120 years ago about an uncle on my Dad’s side of my family who was a major con artist. Supposedly he was finally caught and about to be sentenced to a LONG time in prison, until his brother paid the fines and restitution, and took ‘possession’ of the crook. According to the story, he made sure that the guy never offended again. Interestingly enough, there’s several news articles about it that support the story.
And I grew up hearing stories about my mother’s side of the family having a bunch of horse thieves as ancestors.
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Yes, but don’t preen too much on it. You probably had some noblemen and such you can be ashamed of.
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and they were very likely the same people…
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Mother’s side of the family traces back to one of the Welsh kings before England took over. So yeah, they were probably robber barons of the worst ilk.
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I’ve a many times great grandmother that saved the life of an English king. We’ve been trying to live that one down for centuries. Even hopped on a ship and decamped bloody damp England for the Americas, back when it Wasn’t A Good Idea,
From circuit preachers to moonshiners, coal miners to carpenters, horse thieves and bloody bandits, a few otherwise middling souls what joined in every single battle and dust up America got into since we was colonies (we might just be a bit fractious and inclined to violence, on occasion).
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I’m 50th in descent from Cerdic the Pirate, who terrorized the Saxon Shore circa AD 360. I know that because if you can link your genealogy into a British royal family, someone else has done the work for you… particularly if it’s a salic descent line, which is more provably true than a patriarchal line.
Note that this also means that Cerdic the Pirate had descendants close enough to the royal line to be remembered as such. ;)
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My mother said of her ancestors: “we robbed and plundered, but we kept the faith.”
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The modern marxist depends on dividing people to control them. The whole crap of teaching blacks that they were the only enslaved people is meant to prevent them from finding unity with the other people around them. And also to keep them on the marxist plantation.
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It’s done to create an external locus of control. You’ll see it in places where the darkest face that calls itself “black” makes Kapernick look melaninated. Same story beaten into kids, and especially boys: you’re no good, and forwhy? Some Other Thing that the beaters control. Even when they rebel, they rebel along lines that keep them ignorant and easily controlled.
It’s always interesting when you get someone to read Life at the Bottom by Dalrymple, where the bitter-clingers are Sikh families and the Council Estate chavs are white. Both are getting eaten alive by the Pakis now, but it does explain to me why no-one amongst the English great and good gives two pins what happens to their little girls and boys.
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I willfully mis-quote Ekaterine Vorsoison. “So the difference between a victim and an oppressor is the order in which their atrocities were committed. And victimhood has a sell-by date.”
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You know, Sarah, the black guy who makes it a mission to avenge slavery against, say, present day Near Eastern slavers has an interesting story in him. Or maybe a campaign; I’ve been thinking about what campaigns to run in my next cycle. . . .
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I already know great-great granddaddy was the town drunk, since great-granddad petitioned a court to officially separate them. God knows about farther back.
I can only note that almost every year there is a pro football player with my maiden name who comes from the chocolate branch of the family.
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There were more Almeidas than Hoyts in Colorado Springs at one point. they all had perma tans.
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Once upon a time there were three unmarried Huggins sisters and two of them were engaged to two Howard brothers.
Somebody commented that it was too bad that there wasn’t another Howard brother.
Well, one of the brothers got talking about a third Howard brother that “we don’t talk about” and the other brother played along with his brother’s story.
Oh, they gave this brother a name and years later there was a news story about a black (sports star) with the same name as the fictional Howard brother. There was jokes made about “here’s that missing Howard brother”.
Oh, one of the brothers was my father and the other was my Uncle. 😉
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You can’t manipulate society, unless you distort history, foment division, and perform your nefarious actions during the distractions you create.
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a) If guilt is heritable, then it is legitimate to practice slavery of persons descended from those guilty of losing wars. If it is wrong to practice slavery that people are born into, then it must be wrong to treat guilt as heritable.
b) Being opposed to ICE is basically pro-slavery.
c) I have an excessive mad on for some academics in certain scholarly fields.
d) The communist terror soldiers are downstream of malpractice by the public school teachers, and by tertiary schooling.
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I have a few thoughts on that, which are going into a story.
Children are not to blame for the world they are born into. Punishing them for sins committed by other people in the past is not only unfair and unjust, it is a monstrous evil.
We are all the descendants of slaves, and slave owners. There is no branch, twig or leaf of the human family tree that is free from the taint of slavery.
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You can’t blame the kids for the sins of their ancestors.
However, their ancestors can bestow harm on their descendants that’s functionally equivalent to punishment. After all, what’s our national debt up to now?
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“Holding people to blame for the crimes of their ancestors would mean putting the entire human race in chains.”
Just in case someone hasn’t noticed, the objective of the Marxist Left is exactly “putting the entire human race in chains.”
Once you grasp that, once you understand the -best- of them mean to be gentle -masters- with concern for their livestock, but they will be “putting the entire human race in chains”, well, the answer to them is clear.
No, you shall not.
And if you don’t take the hint, you shall not -be-.
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Some recommended reading topics for the curious:
To Hell or Barbados (Sean O’Callaghan)
Captain Blood (Rafael Sabatini)
Any history about Josephine Bakhita.
The Gentle Infidel (Lawrence Schoonover)
Servant to the Wolf (Sue Wentz)
The Forgotten Slave Trade (Simon Webb)
White Cargo (Don Jordan and Michael Walsh)
The Irish Slaves (Rhetta Akamatsu)
Slavery was a human condition and not confined to appearance. The sooner everyone remembers that, the better for all concerned.
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In Thomas Sowell’s Ethnic America he states in some places slaves were considered too valuable to use in certain situations, so their owners would use Irishmen instead.
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Yes, precisely: https://civilwartalk.com/threads/irish-and-the-new-basin-canal-nola.137427/
There is even a ditty about it: “Ten thousand Micks/They Swung their picks/To dig th’ New Canawl, But the choleray was stronger’n they/And twice it killed them awl”. This article notes that there were no ten thousand micks (Irishmen) who died: https://neworleanshistorical.org/items/show/1461
But the historical record suggests between 8-30 thousand died digging New Orleans’ canals: http://old-new-orleans.com/NO_Irish_Memorial.html. There’s a park where the New Basin Canal is, if memory serves, with a marker for those who died there: https://www.nola.com/news/irish-immigrants-park-dedicated-at-new-basin-canal-they-dug/article_42c365ca-f10c-11ed-896d-3f9a3af670e7.html. Most seem sure there were at least eight thousand Irishmen who died there: https://www.irishcentral.com/news/8000-irish-died-while-building-the-new-basin-canal-in-new-orleans-231020191-237786681
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Justin Marozzi Captives and Companions Great book, arranged by topic, not chronology, but useful.
Slavery and slaving in African History Sean Stilwell
Larry Kroger Black Slaveholders. Free blacks who owned slaves in South Carolina. Some were formerly enslaved who turned around and kept other blacks as slaves (not “just family members, either)
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Thanks. I’ll put those on the list!
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Jackasses who wail about blacks being enslaved as though they were the only ones enslaved throughout history make me sick. At the time of the Norman Conquest, something like 1/10 of the population of England was enslaved. And on my father’s side (Dad was Norwegian, Mom was British) I can point to the fact that in Viking Scandinavia, slavery was a big business. Hedeby, Birka, Dublin, and other major Norse settlements had slave markets that were always busy. And the slaves in both of those cases were as white as I am. Hell, Saint Patrick got his start by being grabbed from Britain by Irish slavers and made a slave in Ireland!
And while slaves in what became the US could be harshly treated, slaves’ lot outside the US was far, far worse. If Simon Legree or his real-life equivalents had seen how slaves were treated in the sugar islands, he’d have fainted dead away. Harsh treatment for subordinates was also very much not confined to slaves. Read Two Years Before the Mast, or other descriptions of life at sea, sometime. Boys at elite British schools like Eton could be flogged till they ran with blood for making mistakes in their Latin. Corporal punishment for children was the norm, and prisons were rough enough to make ADX Florence look like the Hilton.
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Reading Plutarch’s biography of Cato and was appalled. Apparently this paragon of all Roman virtue (according to Dante, whi made him the guardian of the lower part of Mount Purgatory) routinely sold his slaves when they became too old or broken down to work. Gratitude for good service? What’s that?
From the tone, Plutarch didn’t think much of that, eihter.
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Cato made himself out to be the paragon of all Roman virtue. I suspect that like most ostentatious paragons he was nothing of the sort.
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A couple of years ago, some stories linked through Insty that I read, related the stats on black slaves sold out of Africa – most went east, to various locations in the Ottoman Empire, and the portion sent west to the Americas, of those most went to Brazil and the Caribbean. Something like only 10% or fewer than that went to North America – and those in what would become the US were about the only population of black slaves who replaced themselves through births. In the Caribbean sugar plantations, they died like flies, as did those in Brazil and South America, requiring constant resupply of fresh slaves. As for those sent to the Arab world, the attrition was just as horrific. Many males were made into eunuchs, and the females weren’t treated very well, either.
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Don’t let the idiots at the BBC or those at Netflix know St. Patrick was a slave, or you’ll see the most amazing casting for their new historical series…
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The Taliban just passed laws explicitly referring to slaves and slavery
Slavery is not extinct.
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Enslaving the infidel is sanctioned multiple times in the Koran. Why is anyone surprised?
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And then there’s the “Stolen Land” nonsense.
Where are the human societies that started out on Land where no humans existed before them?
The earliest societies in America might have claimed Lands that were empty of humans when they migrated from Asia but the longer humans existed in the Americas, the more often they stole lands from other humans. (I wonder what the Indians would say if it was proven they stole lands from non-human intelligent species.)
Oh, it’s “interesting” that the “non-Indians” who whine about “Stolen Lands” never try to give Their Lands back to “Indians”. [Crazy Grin]
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Theft happens within a rule of law, and a rule of law is within a peace consensus.
There is somewhat an argument that the indian tribes were not within these prior to the reservations. Which is definitely too broad of a brush, and has a lot of room for legitimate quibbles.
Force of arms has to triumph first, and these modern academic attempts to use conspiracy theories to supersede force of arms are pretty bankrupt.
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Or try to track down which tribe owned their property and try to pay them for it.
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Indeed if you are not a native of Olduvai Gorge or live at the base of Mt Ararat (chose your origin story) you are an invader. All those “Native” Americans? They came from Siberia (or perhaps also from Pacific Islanders or across the Ice sheet or along its coast from Europe or all three). On top of that “Native” Americans very often took land from other existing tribes rather brutally, want to see what it was often like? Find a copy of Yanomamo: the Fierce People much of the anthropological hierarchy hate that book as it totally wrecks the Noble Savage idea that things like Dr Mead’s works espouse. Mankind is mean and nasty, there is a reason that the Space Orc meme resonates so well for humanity. We can learn to be controlled and in some cases, we have. The problem is when we assume that civilized mien is natural and not trained in our youth. Much of what Heinlein put into Col. DuBois mouth in Starship Trooper is far truer than we would like it to be.
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Nonsense, yes, but far from harmless: note the movement to get native titles on land in Canada – ‘stolen land’ plays directly to that goal.
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IMO Some of the Most Dangerous Ideas around are Nonsense. [Sad]
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https://babylonbee.com/news/chilling-if-they-can-arrest-don-lemon-for-something-as-simple-as-breaking-the-law-imagine-what-they-can-do-to-you
Factcheck, if you talk to a careless enough academic communist where they feel comfortable, they may clarify that they are certain that rule of law is fascist.
But, yeah, muh libertarian principles, Trump is a tyrant! Bondi would arrest William Joyce for criticizing the US government, Oswald for being a communist, and Connor for being a member of the Democratic National Committee.
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On a related note, King Charles the Lesser of Formerly Great Britain is going to apologize for the Crown’s role in slavery . . . which the Crown already did . . . in 1840.
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Apologizing for other’s sins is easy. How about he apologizes for helping deindustrialize his kingdom with his embrace of eco nuttery?
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He’s not very bright, that sad sack of mushy potatoes. I rather doubt anything he says was germinated organically within the pudding between his ears.
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He’s what the British “elite” want as a Monarch.
He was “carefully” trained to not have any intelligent thoughts because any intelligent thoughts would conflict with what the “elites” wanted.
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Or for reimposing serfdom with “15 minute cities”?
https://x.com/PeterSweden7/status/2017302937513406702
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So he is going to do something his great-great-great-grandmother already did, likely in a far more eloquent manner. She (or her government) did it roughly 6 years after slavery in the British Empire was banned in 1834, and so the apology is far more appropriate than here, nearly 2 centuries later when everyone directly affected has likely been dead at least a century. What Charles III is doing is pandering, plain and simple. He just wants attention and adulation from his lefty syncophants (I.E. Most of Parliament). The seismic activity at Windsor Castle must be incredible as Victoria spins frantically in her mausoleum near Windsor.
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Well, he’s, you know, a moron.
And yet he’s intellectually head and shoulders above the members of his government, so there’s no telling where this brainstorm originated.
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“Who [bad words!!!] thought it was a good idea to teach black people in the US that their people were the only ones enslaved, ever?”
The same ones that decided they didn’t need to learn to read, or count back change, or write, or think… at all, ever…
The same ones that ended shop class in schools for everyone, and home economics too.
Public education is the biggest scam in America. They promise everything and deliver nothing.
But I would go further! The very idea of “public education” is a scam in it’s entirety. The stated purpose of it, right from the very beginning in Prussia, was:
To create a more disciplined and educated populace to support the state.
TL/DR Frederic The Great wanted well-trained and obedient little minions to work hard and feed his war machine. Because Napoleon was kicking his ass all over Europe.
“Public education” is not for your benefit. It is for the benefit of the guys who own the factories you’re going to work in. Or there days, when all the factories are in China, the benefit goes to the socialists who keep the scam going for it’s own sake.
If it was for your benefit, they’d be teaching home economics, investment strategy, Handyman 101, and logic, and how to dodge taxes. And these days, how to spot a social media manipulation and how to secure your phone from spying on you.
So yes, the popularity of “uniquely oppressed” and “holding people to blame for the crimes of their ancestors” is not accidental, and serves a socialist master. It is a matter of social policy.
I speculate there’s a special circle in Hell for them.
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“Western Civilization didn’t invent slavery. It did however abolish it, partly through the means of the industrial revolution, which rendered the whole thing counterproductive.”
That’s everything in a nutshell; the industrial revolution was made possible and continues to this day because of the exploitation of natural resources, especially, fossil fuels.
Tree huggers, CO2 catchers and climate changers ought to be thanking God every day that He provided the means to fuel the lifestyles of the last several centuries.
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Well, the slave trade was ended by the Royal Navy, with many, many sailors dying over the years the RN alone ran anti slavery patrols as the West Africa Squadron.
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This makes sense. Therefore no one will listen. Excuse me, not true. the ones who will listen will be people with a moral compass. They do not think that people are disposable things. In categories.
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Just a thought.
“You come of the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve,” said Aslan. “And that is both honor enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor on earth. Be content.”
Chapter Fifteen of Prince Caspian by C. S. Lewis
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