In Time

Posted on by Sarah A. Hoyt

I is said that science changes at the speed of filling graves.

Thing is it’s not just science. It’s the world. And actually, no, it’s not that fast.

Also, the hacks that fill graves faster, like fascism and communism DO change things fast — I suspect this was the realization of the totalitarians of the 20th century that led to all the mass graves “if we kill people, we kill institutional memory” — but they lose a lot of he things that make the world work, along with the things they’d like to lose.

The problem is that you aren’t precisely you. You’re, as I am, as we all are, partly creatures of our time and place, and partly have bits embedded from what “everyone knows” in our parents’ and grandparents’ generations. Then you realize they had things embedded too, and some of that might have passed on.

How far, you ask? Well– The word pecuniary probably is related to one of the oldest words archeo-linguists have found: pecu. Which means long haired cattle. Pecuniary, for those of you behind on your word-of-the-day calendar means relating to money.

So even though theories of eugenics throughout the ages have failed, and even though by the time I was born the Germans had got their *sses kicked so hard that it was hard to find their heads almost 20 years before, there is an assumption that tall blonds are somehow more put together or efficient somewhere at the back of my mind. (No, I didn’t marry one.) Why? Because it was at the back of my parents’ minds. And at the back of the minds of a lot of people of their generation. Germans were just more efficient and orderly, you know? There is probably a similar belief in Europe about Russians being more organized and capable now, born of communist propaganda in the last century.

It’s not that I BELIEVE that Germans or tall blonds are more organized and efficient, mind you. Not rationally. As I said, Germany had got kicked hard (twice) by the time I was born, and I despise all half-assed theories of genetics that think skin color correlates to anything other than ability to tan and high or low incidence of skin cancer. I’m not stupid.

It’s that with the kids in school I caught myself trying to help/push them, because by virtue of being my kids they were at a disadvantage versus the mostly blonds (strange thing, that) in their classes. Once I realized I was thinking it, I stamped on it, because it was stupid and also crazy, but it was still there, somewhere at the very back, whispering crazy things.

And that is because my parents/grandparents/great-grandparents automatically assumed Northern Europeans were smarter and more efficient. (PFFFFFT. I have IQ tests that– Never mind. The kids certainly do.) And that was in the air all around as I was growing up. Never examined. It was just what “everyone knows.”

I suspect this is true also, for most of the mid-century-modern kids. (Not boomers, precisely, but born ten to fifteen years either side of the middle of the century.) Because it was there, in the back of the heads throughout the first half of the century.

This too by the way explains ideas about central “organized” power being best and about a time when everyone “agreed.” (They didn’t. the agreement was faked, by one side having full control of the media.) Not to mention the time of great respect for laws, etc. The truth was that the mid century was a very peculiar time, due to both the sudden sundering of the long war of the 20th century which left a lot of kids either parentless, or being raised by someone far busier with something else (like the war or rebuilding after the war.)

So not only did some extremely not true things get passed on, unquestioned, but a lot of things that should have been passed on aren’t. My generation has spent a lot of time trying to figure out “how things are done” because after the boomers’ massive student revolt tizzies and their demands for changing curriculums, my generation wasn’t taught a lot of the stuff everyone had been taught for a century. (The change was stark. My brother took Latin and some Greek, for instance, but I didn’t. Our math was watered down. And heck, I had to use a procedural trick that involved my parents, to be allowed to learn English. And don’t get me started on how simplified and bowdlerized the History I got was. I was blessed because I had my brother’s school books but not everyone that that.) There were also a lot of things our parents didn’t pass on, either because they were too busy or because it was assumed to be obvious. Stupid stuff, mostly, about say, how to clean house, or how to cook this and that. Pre-internet I spent a not inconsiderable time trying to figure the lost knowledge out.

So, it was a weird time. There was just enough knowledge not passed on to foster a lot of illusions about what was possible or even should be attempted.

To an extent you could say, even now, what we’re seeing are attempts at recovering from and rebuilding the deep fractures of the 20th century long war. Oh, sure, the overwhelming majority of people who fought in it, or were even alive at the end of it are gone. But enough remains embedded in the back of people’s minds that it affects us all.

Change happens. But it’s not fast, it’s not simple, it’s not easy.

It’s never easy.

If only I were sure we’re not going to revisit another set of the 20th century errors before all this is said and done.

But nothing for it. All we can due is continue and fight today’s battle. Even if our foot is in the cement sack of the past.

Because the truth is, contrary to an idiot’s often proclaimed idiocy, there is no “what can be unburdened by what has been.”

We’re all burdened by what has been. Erasing it only dooms us to repeat it.

71 thoughts on “In Time”

  2. Harris appears to be finding out that erasing Her History is harder than she thought it would be.

    Even CNN is going WTF as some of her attempts.

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    2. Here’s a thought for Kackling Kamela — if you find what you’ve done in the past a ‘burden’, maybe take some lessons from ‘what has been’ instead of trying to forget it.

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  4. And that is because my parents/grandparents/great-grandparents automatically assumed Northern Europeans were smarter and more efficient. 

    That’s amusing. In the US, blonds – blondes especially – are generally assumed to be air-heads, with the lightest of blondes being considered the most air-headed.

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    1. Especially the bottle blonds. And, after all, most of them are bottle blonds, especially the light-haired ones.

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    3. Though keep in mind that there’s an element of “Blondes are so pretty that they don’t need to actually learn anything” to that mockery. And it only applies to women. Blonde men, on the other hand, are poster-boy heroes – with a prime example being one Captain Steve Rogers.

      Q: “Why are there so many blonde jokes?”

      A: “Because brunettes have nothing better to do on a Friday night.”

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  5. Boomer here (born 1952). Latin was available in the public high school I attended, though I went for German. History was perhaps fairly straight, though the 3rd year teacher was pretty much on the liberal side. I got some unintentional “history” in college courtesy the Rhetoric TA’s hubby, railing on about the evil of Bell Telephone. I was liberal at the time, but that was a bit much. Not sure if The President’s Analyst was commonly seen back then. OTOH, the surveillance trope now resonates. See Person of Interest and related works.

    Broadcast TV shaped a lot of the culture. We moved from Large-Metro-Area to Huge-Metro-Area, with the Three ABCBSNBS and one or more independents. Way too much Walter Cronkite et al for what passed as national news.

    At that time, Japan was the feared (maybe hated, certainly not fully trusted) competition, with little attention paid to Red China. Dad worked for a steel company (all remnants gone or changed beyond recognition). Work history for my generation in the family is wildly mixed, ranging from long-term [huge or tiny shop/practice] through short/medium-term gigs, to “I’ll work when the beer money runs out.” (The last didn’t end well…)

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    1. I’m about the same age as Sarah but born out here in the Bear Flag Peoples Republic.

      Latin was available in HS and I took it, because as a dead language there were no spoken tests, because I was a lazy kid.

      History (they actually called it “Social Studies”) was dependent on the teacher. We had one teacher who hit Utah beach in the second wave on D-day and told us that story one day. The Social Studies teachers did a bit more or a bit less with the state mandated texts. None of HS history was all that in-depth, just a higher level skim.

      There were still a lot of older guys around with really bad feeling about Japanese anything, being only 30ish years after the end of WWII in the Pacific, as Japanese cars started to be popular. They sneered at the JSBs. Still, they were being bought and were on the road during all the cycles of fueled crises and odd-day/even-day gas rationing. Nothing like where my cousins lived in Indiana, where for a long time you never saw anything not American made on local roads, except maybe The occasional Mercedes with a diesel that worked on farm fuel. Farmers are practical, and the US diesel car engines were crap.

      Three networks on TV plus a couple of local channels on VHF, and a few more on UHF, a lot of phones still had dials, and you carried change in case you had to use a pay phone.

      I spent a huge amount of time in the local bookstores – there were as year no chain bookstores – going through the paperbacks. The quiet rows of floor to ceiling books In all the various little non-chain bookstores were a huge sink for my spending money.

      The past is a different world.

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      1. Yup. Searching for information meant going to the library and looking in the shelves or the encyclopedia, unless you were fortunate enough to have parents with an extensive library, or a friend with parents with an extensive library. Self-entertainment was vehemently encouraged. Three channels, plus PBS, no UHF where I was.

        Life was more outside-the-house oriented, with different community groups like softball leagues (church and non-church), kite-flying tournaments, several community music groups of varying kinds, assorted ethnic festivals (almost all European, but not entirely), and so on.

        Not saying it was better (some ways, yes, some no), but it was very different from today.

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        2. Those who are familiar with it see how the current Democratic Party is intent on emulating and imposing their own version of the Cultural Revolution, which is what Critical Race Theory ideology is at its core.

          They are globalist totalitarian socialists who are willing to use the methods the national socialists used to achieve the goals of global socialism by allowing nominally private businesses survive, just as long as they serve the state. Thus, classical fascist economic and social methods are used to achieve communist goals, essentially as a bridge. It is a variation on 1984’s oligarchical collectivism.

          Part and parcel of this is rewriting the past constantly, thus the old line from those in the Soviet Union “in Soviet Union, the future is always known; it is the past that is always changing”, 1984’s “Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.”

          Fortunately they are incompetent as well as ambitious.

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  7. Getting rid of the institutional knowledge dooms a company to making the same mistakes they made 20 to 30 years ago. usually at a much higher cost. I hadn’t considered the situation on a national, international, or species level.

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  8. The trust in centralized power still seems to subsist, though it’s not clear why. In my little world, people still implicitly trust the Federal Réserve despite the absurdity of doing so, especially since the fact that they don’t do what they say they do, but rather simply follow the market can be, and has been, demonstrated empirically from their own data. It’s all just a grift, all of it. Trillions of dollars stolen and wasted — stolen from the poor and elderly mostly.

    I’m a bit grouchy today since the Fed watching and 25 or 50 bp rumor mill is out in force and I spent most of the day asking colleagues why they cared. They really want to believe somebody’s in charge. Nobody’s in charge, and that fills them with horror.

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      1. The people designated to destroy civilization know what they are doing and they do have a clue. Their minions, not so much, they are merely NPCs in the Game of Death.

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  9. I could list all the stupid choices people who run companies make but I will note that one man got rid of two engineers and a maintenance director at the behest of the heas of accounting.

    A roof fell in, destroying 14 million in equipment and ending their constant income stream they had done for 30 years. The area production manager commited suicide because they were working to pin the blame on him.

    Another production area had their top money maker crater because the compter controlling it failed. Despite two years of trying to buy a $2000 computer thr bean counters kept ssying no.

    Six copies of the software disappeared too.

    In the end the entire board of directors was fired by the stockholders and several people who shouldnt have been were moved up to the home office in Switzerland.

    Last I knew, 7 years ago, the company still had not recovered….and they fired a recruiter and two interviewers for talking to me about being rehired at that time.

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    1. current employer supposedly had this come out of someone’s mouth – “We have to do it this way to prove it won’t make money”
      Now, unless the person who spewed this is forced into proving someone else higher than them wrong (and it seems that no, this method was their idea as well) they should have been fired on the spot and soon as they said the last syllable.

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  10. I was just reading one of Roger Welsch’s books (Cather’s Kitchens: Foodways in Literature and Life) and he said something that stuck in my mind.

    The specific reference was to loss of knowledge….and he drew a distinction based on how OFTEN the skill was practiced. He pointed out that cooking was an everyday chore–the recipes were handed down and took many generations to fade out. Whereas, something like a barn-raising happened once a generation, if that–barns being durable things that take DECADES to need replacing, barring disasters such as fires or tornado. So the skills of barn-raising die out rather quickly compared to Great-Grandma’s Bread Recipe.

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    1. That explains why archaeologists and hobbiests have to reinvent certain weaving techniques and dying chemistries (medieval people had teal! I was flabbergasted). Technology and fashion made them unnecessary, or a vital element was no longer available (very hard-twist worsted thread that no machine-spinner today makes), and people found other options. The “heritage [thing]” vanished.

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    2. I see now that some of the Green Nude Heels are starting to consider nuclear power as somewhat better than Spawn of Satan/Kill Kill Kill! I’m also remembering that the last nuke plants in the US were built in the 1970s, with projects abandoned or shifted to another fuel(!) after the TMI event.

      I spent a couple of summers interning for a company that made steel bits for the containment buildings. There was a lot of specialized stuff going on, partly due to regulation (“Every piece going in has to be identified to heat number, along with chemical and physical testing results”–picture a college kid with hard hat, list of pieces, hammer, and letter stamps marking beams and angles in a steel warehouse). A lot of this will be really hard to pull off, since expecting TPTB to adjust regulations after a half century and more of success is a fools game. I can see some Chinese/Indian dude with a hammer & letter stamps (hard hat optional) doing what I did. Sort of. Those curb frames (big rectangles for reinforcing penetrations through concrete floors & walls) ain’t that important to containment, but they had the same requirements as the columns and beams.

      Oh my.

      Side note 1: When I was doing this in 1972/3, every last chunk of structural steel was manufactured in the USA. Somewhere between 95-99% came from our parent company, though I don’t know where the machine-welded studs came from. Japanese steel was an oncoming threat at the time, with Chinese and other Asian suppliers not on the radar. AFAIK, there’s not an intact Basic Oxygen (replacement for Open Hearth) operation in the USA. I think specialty steel (electric fired systems) can and is made here, but not much.

      Side note 2: Our first tranch of parts for the plant in Toledo ended up costing us a lot more than we had planned, due to excess paperwork in shipping (7 copies of the prints, plus chemical and physical reports, and so on. Maybe 10 pounds of paper for 50,000 pounds of steel on a truck.) We did a more expensive bid for Tranch #2 because of this, and were underbid by a competitor. Who didn’t read the requirements. They shipped 7 truckloads of finished pieces. All without paperwork that could not be generated. All those loads were refused and the competitor ate the shipment. Screwed the power company, the main contractor and the construction subcontractor. We smiled. Quietly.

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      2. Manitoba province in the Demented Dominion is in the process of building several small city-sized reactors. The ideal, or so I read two years ago, is to have twenty, with a distributed grid so that if/when Hydro Quebec or the Southwest Power Pool goes down, Manitoba will still have some power.

        The Powers That Think They Be were all frothing at the mouth over it, because bird choppers are better, as is solar. [See the aforementioned Southwest Power Pool, and the days last summer, and spring, and winter, when the wind energy production was 0.0% of capacity from Texas to northern Alberta].

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      3. Solar? In Canada? What are they smoking? Are they aware that in northern Canada there is ZERO effective solar power for 3 months every year? The sun barely rises above the horizon for 2-3 hours per day and the light is weak. And that’s on the few clear days between blizzards. Even in ‘southern’ Canada the solar index is too low to make solar power practical.

        All that BS around nuclear power is going into a story I’m writing. When my main characters try to refit the derelict San Onofre nuclear power plant with fusion reactors using advanced technology from beyond our world, the government keeps trying to impose all of their rules for fission reactors, most of which make no sense at all. There are no control rods in a fusion reactor! How can they document the ‘metallurgy’ of polycrystalline diamond assembled by nanotech? And so on.

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        1. The place I worked right after college was mainly nuclear power consulting, but sidelines to that had sprung up on the software side. One of the interesting ones was software to interpret the non-invasive test scanning of the big honking pipes between the reactor core and the heat exchangers, thus radioactive water filled, where the scanning was mapping the inside of the pipes to look for cracks by measuring emissions from the deposits on the radioactive inner surface. Any cracks would show up as a crack would cause the emitting surface to be closer to the outside of the pipe, and the crack itself would have more surface exposed to the flow, so it would measure as a more concentrated emission source. Really interesting software to map that, back in the days of dinosaurs and Fortran.

          Your alien fusion retrofit would likely still have to deal with all the regs on all the water cooling system stuff too, even if it wasn’t water cooled, with installation instructions of “connect these wires, puny human, the hydrogen goes in through this fitting, the helium comes out from that fitting, and it’ll run for about a century before it needs maintenance.”

          It probably would have been easier if they plonked it into a deactivated coal plant.

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          1. The reactor is water cooled, but most of the electricity is produced by extracting energetic charged particles directly out of the fusion plasma. High performance steam turbines only add about 10% more.

            Which prompts some clueless media hack to go “Omigod, then the ‘lectricity in people’s houses will be radioactive!” and one main character facepalms. “That’s so idiotic I don’t even know where to start.”

            No matter where they build it, they would still have to deal with stupid government regulations because Eeevul Atoms. San Onofre has the water supply and electrical infrastructure needed for a pair of reactors generating 2.8 GW each, and the containment domes, while not necessary, are handy places to put the reactor vessels.

            The cooling water does not become radioactive, is not loaded with boric acid to make it a better moderator, and the pipes are made out of structural diamond — millions of microscopic needle-shaped diamond crystals interlaced in a 3-dimensional matrix. Lighter and far, far stronger than steel.

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            1. Yeah, if it needs water, then either a nuke plant or a hydroelectric plant, for the existing grid connection and water source.

              I always figured, aside from the stupid politics, that the cooling water requirement for fission plants was why there was not a continuous ring of them just outside California’s border to sell cheap nuclear-generated electricity at inflated prices into the Golden State.

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              1. California’s “green energy” laws specifically don’t include nuclear in the list of “zero-emission” sources of energy. So the same laws that are supposed to gradually reduce California’s usage of imported “dirty” energy sources such as coal and natural gas also lump nuclear into the same group.

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                1. I did mention stupid politics.

                  It’s kind of funny with California’s union-centric regulatory scheme, with all the union plant operator jobs that nuke plant has compared to zero for a solar or wind installation (maybe a fence security guard to keep the copper wire from being stolen), that the no-union-jobs stuff is mandated while the lots-of-union-jobs stuff is heavily discouraged.

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              2. If Oregon has any nuclear plants, I’m not aware of it. OTOH, the Pacific Intertie is designed to run power from the Bonneville hydroelectric plant to California. (S Central Oregon used to get some, but Some Judge said we were not eligible. Arggh.)

                (Wonders about a medium sized nuke plant to replace the 100MWe local hydropower complex that got lawfared/politicked out of business. There should be enough water in the Klamath River. Maybe.)

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                1. Oregon used to have a nuclear plant on the Columbia, just east of Rainer off Hwy 30. It was shutdown and disassembled in ’80s. Imploded containment building sometime in ’90s (I think). Our house in Longview was on 6 month rentals, through a 3rd party, for engineers coming in for the disassembling process, at least until we sold it in ’89.

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                2. Are they stupid? Wait, don’t answer that… :-(

                  Electricity is best used near where it’s generated. The farther it has to travel, through cables and substations, the more gets lost along the way. That’s why solar panels on rooftops is a good idea. A KWH produced and used right here at my house saves 1.2 to 1.5 KWH generated 20 to 50 miles away.

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                  1. It’s not quite as stupid as it sounds. The PIT (AKA Path 65, since that’s so much more poetic than Pacific Intertie) is a whacking high voltage DC line. I believe the inverter station(s?) is around the Tehachapi mountains. At least that way, there’s no radiation loss and ohmic losses don’t have to deal with the skin effect, so they won’t be as horrible.

                    [goes to Wiki for more details] Which says it’s two lines, with 1000 kV between them. Total capacity is 3.1 gigawatts, so it replaces three medium size nuke plants. Whoopie! (Ohmic losses are going to be interesting, with 3100 A at full load. Hmm.)

                    The studies that Wiki refers to say that a DC connection is better than AC if the line is > 5-600 miles long.

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              3. What really gets me is that both San Onofre and Diablo Canyon produce(d) over 4 GW of waste heat — which they simply dumped into the Pacific without making the slightest attempt at putting it to use. In a region desperately in need of water, right next to a freaking ocean. They could use that waste heat plus a modicum of electricity to produce millions of gallons of fresh water per day. Why didn’t they?

                But no, everything associated with nuclear power has got Nukyular Cooties. The water would never be approved for use.

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                1. And one of the main complaints about the waste heat water dump out a ways into the Pacific off Diablo Canyon is the sea life likes it too much, with all kinds of growth clustered around the discharge. Just a few degrees above the really cold current there and life just loves it.

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                2. San Diego was talking about building a desalinization plant, but the California Coastal Commission (“it it’s not done by otter or sealion, we don’t want it”) turned it down. That might have been this year.

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                  2. San Diego already has a desalinization plant. Though afaik, it doesn’t provide enough water to support the entire county, so I’m sure that they could use more.

                    As for the California Coastal Commission…

                    It’s a body that wields far too much power, and doesn’t really answer to anyone.

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        2. I was familiar with an astronomy program in the Midwest. From about September to March, the odds of a clear night were low, or if it was clear, atmospheric turbulence made the telescopes nearly useless. (The big university there had as their prime telescope that “It would fit through the Cass-hole of the Hale telescope”. OK. :) )

          It was bad enough keeping pieces of A36 steel straight (I’ll take the 5th amendment as to how we dealt with pieces cut from A36 plate) in 1973. Granted the computer records should be better (at least existent), but correllating paper to steel ain’t any easier, I suspect. Doable, but somebody would have to go to a fair amount of trouble to get something to stick to Every. Single. Piece. And that reliably.

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          1. QR codes, or hell, bar codes. We use specialty stickers that are pretty damn durable to track company owned tools that are used and mostly abused on site. Ladders, jackhammers, etc. We use an app called Asset Tiger which has great support internally for data. And more Data. And more data. From my experience with that, having a smartphone app that carries all that info, and can be updated along the process, would be the easiest way.

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            1. Steel parts get laser-marked nowadays, serialized at min and usually and some form of QR-ish code.

              The trace-ability thing is a humongous big deal in the aircraft parts world these days, such that fake parts now must also get all the correct-looking laser-etched markings as well so as to not be obvious fakes at all glance.

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      4. Last built (until the New GA one this year) was either Seabrook in NH which was started ca 1975 and finally came online in 1990 or Watts Bar in TN which was started in 1973, put on hold in 1985 and finally restarted and completed in 2016.

        A big issue in this is Nuclear engineers to design and operate the plants. Even when I was in engineering school in the early 80’s the writing was on the wall and the number of nuclear engineer grads in my class was like 7-8 or a class of almost 700. My alma Mater (WPI) closed the major down in the 90’s. In the Northeast I see MIT and RPI still having programs, U Michigan in midwest, Texas A&M and Georgia tech in the south and UC Berkley (?!?) in the west. In the /70;s almost any reputable school of engineering had a nuclear major and a pool reactor to support (hell I think Yale school of engineering had one). It’s a rather specialized skill set and I suspect most of the design engineers go to GE that makes the sub and carrier plants. There is a BIG age jump where we just did make the engineers and so the few that graduated when I was a college student are all retiring without passing that knowledge off to incoming folk the way much of the engineering practicum gets learned and passed.

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        1. U of Michigan sounds perfect. In the ’70s, we were supply steel for a plant in Toledo and another one on the shore of Lake Michigan, vaguely south of Muskegon. One in Midland had been mothballed, and it was later turned into a carbon fueled plant.

          I had heard that U of Illinois had a GE Triga pile (10 MW, not set up for power generation) and the nuke program was run by the Physics people. Not sure if that would have been Engineering or the Liberal Arts and Sciences college. Rumor had it that that department suffered from multiple personality issues.

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            2. Little nuclear reactors are all over the place in research universities. The university where I worked for 15+ years has one, too. I’d be surprised if there wasn’t at least one research reactor in every state.

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        2. UC Berkeley is connected at the hip to Lawrence Livermore National Labs, which still does those .gov newkyouler things, so the program at UCB both has major pull in the university and really high power internship and postgrad connections, thus clear job opportunities for grads.

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  12. As much as I might wish that [stupid thing/deadly idea] could be buried in the ash-heap of History, I also know that we need to remember just how bad it was/is, so everyone knows that no, you can’t get it right this time. Sort of like New Coke™, but more so.

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  13. There’s a quote I read in Latin way back when (ok, puzzled my way through – I was never good enough to call what I did “reading”) where a Roman was describing all those Northern European types that they kept getting as slaves as people with “hair the color of dried straw and skin as pale as a corpse.”

    Obviously Swedish swimsuit models got better PR over the intervening centuries.

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  14. On another topic entirely, who left the carp-a-pult unsupervised?

    A large carp flew into the boat, knocking Henry completely backwards with his feet waving in the air. It then scraped across Thomas’ head, before smacking Reece in the head.

    Daily Mail from Sept 6, 2024

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  15. Speaking of “things that came before” or whatever that word salad from Miss “Joy”, I still have three kidney stones and that’s still not as scary or painful as letting those feckless wannabee commies have America for four more years…

    Your mileage may vary; but I think members of a death cult aimed at the very young and the very old are not good neighbors.

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