Before we start this here session, let me point out I decided to vote for Trump in 2016 the night before election day. I did it after earnest talks by both Jerry Pournelle and L. Neil Smith and partly because those two agreeing was such a jaw-dropping shock, I couldn’t fight it too well. (Tips hat to two friends now in the eternal SF convention hall.)
But still the only reason I chose Trump in that election is because he was judged less likely to have me shot in the back of the head. (Note not completely unlikely, but less likely.)
The way he governed, despite being hampered by credentialed people convinced that they knew better, was a welcome surprise. He did great things for the economy, and he got the Abraham accounts signed. Yeah, covidiocy. And that gives me some pause. But considering the other side did it harder, crazier, the only thing I can suspect is that Trump was in cahoots with him, and if he was, then the way they’re still attacking him is even crazier than I thought.
Anyway, in 2020 I voted for him with no regrets. And I still don’t have any regrets. (Anyone who swallowed the whole “called for insurrection” has been swallowing soma by the fistful. Frankly, he’d have been justified in. He didn’t. The left, conscious of their fraud and terrified of the citizenry (note the barriers and under-guard inauguration) have made a mountain out of a molehill).)
However… Well, I won’t say I don’t like Trump. I like Trump the President. I hated Apprentice. And the man is still way too much of a believer in government (or was while in the white house) for my tastes. However, for a President, not bad.
Which doesn’t mean I’m a fan, or involved in some cult of personality. Right now, I prefer Trump to DeSantis because, seemingly unlike the rest of my colleagues I see the underhanded (via surrogates) DeSantis provocation. I know Trump brought it to the public. But that’s his style. He fights in public. As another hothead, I empathize. And DeSantis. Well, only one thing against him. He’s a career politician. And I’ve had enough of those for a lifetime. Yeah, if he’s nominated, I’ll vote for him. For all the good voting does at this point. And why I think arguing Trump versus DeSantis is BS.
However, I think it’s really important for the right not to turn on Trump. The man gave up on a private career and lost money to be President. And we’re going to turn on him? Why will anyone else put him or herself out for us? The left lionizes even their failures. So, you know, sure, we’ll attract good people with that differential.
ALL THAT SAID, I DON’T KNOW TRUMP PERSONALY. THE ONLY PERSON ON WHOM I HAVE ALMOST A CULT OF PERSONALITY CRUSH IS ROBERT A. HEINLEIN. AND EVEN HE I HAVE SEVERE DISAGREEMENTS WITH. SO, CAN YOU STOP MAKING ME DEFEND TRUMP.
Does Sinal Salute, with thumb and forefinger on either side of her nose, head inclined.
So help me, peeps! You keep doing this to me, and I’m so many levels of not happy. But here I go again.
In Trump’s Defense:
I got really tired of everyone posting how Trump wanted to discard the Constitution, after he posted this on Truth Social:
There are many ways to look at what he’s saying, but the one that made absolute sense to me was this: EVERYONE who had half a brain knew there was a serious problem with the 2020 election. EVERYONE, including the courts who said no one had standing to question it, no crime had been committed till it was certified and after it was certified, well, there was nothing we could do.
The fact is that there was an enormous issue with the voting but the entire establishment rolled over by the rules and said “We can’t do anything”. And a living dead zombie was sworn in despite the clear will of the people against it. Which …. whatever. I do realize we’ve had fraud even massive fraud before. But — that I can figure out — it was never to swear in someone who is a puppet, compromised by foreign governments and determined to destroy America by doing everything he can to dismantle us. This has been done to states before: Colorado for instance, and most recently Nevada. But it’s never been done to the entire country. We’ve never had someone throw the borders open to invasion ignoring the most important constitutional duty he should be fulfilling. Or destroy our oil industry in order to destroy the economy. Or give weapons to those who declare themselves at war with us. Or– The list goes on. Including most recently trying to nullify the 1st amendment by various means.
So — yeah, there was fraud, massive. The Constitution is being ignored. And there is no Constitutional remedy for this.
It’s not that the Founders didn’t anticipate this. It’s that the remedy for it is found in the Declaration of Independence. And frankly it’s a remedy all of us with a half a wit are praying we don’t have to employ.
Is Trump calling for that remedy? No. Because he’s sane enough he also doesn’t want it. What is he calling for? New Elections. Keep in mind this is quixotic and borderline stupid, because unless we had elections by “occupied country rules” — ie. the rules of countries WE occupied and forced elections on — meaning, one day voting, paper ballots, public ballot counting, purple fingers, the results will be MORE fraud. And they’ve managed to perfect it, as we saw in 2022.
But is that what people are saying. No. People are saying “Hey, to have elections again, would LITERALLY kill the constitution.” Yeah, b*tch. That’s a real danger. Looks over at the bleeding corpse of the Constitution, while the Junta stabs it repeatedly.
What this country has suffered is what’s known as a “color revolution.” The revolutionaries come in not with tanks and guns, but under the cover of legalism. Using our own mechanisms to hamstring us. If you ignore the fact of the MASSIVE fraud, everything was done by the book.
Because the American people totally voted by the people who wanted to bring in the Green New Deal. Of course, those were the American people who did same day registration many to addresses that don’t exist, or voted without ID, because in America you can do everything without ID from opening bank accounts to cashing checks to receiving welfare, or boarding planes. They were Americans who voted only on the races important for Democrats, in votes it took days after the elections to find. And the most Americanny Americans again were those that live as bits and bites in the heart of voting machines that are hackable, unverifiable, and connected to the internet. Oh, and created by a company used to rig other elections around the world. THOSE are the bestest Americans.
And given that, of course, everything was done by the book. Because by the book is far more important than the fact that de-facto enemies of our form of government are trying to destroy us more or less openly, because what are we going to do? By the rules?
So yeah, what Trump said was stupid, but not because he called to discard the constitution. He didn’t. But because he called for new elections, when the elections are now thoroughly rigged.
However what did all my colleagues on the right do? “Trump wants to discard the Constitution.”
And I have sympathy, kind of, with the friend who was like “why can’t he be clearer.” But the fact is, as used to be the rule on the blogs long ago: There is no way you can say things in a way that won’t be misunderstood. Particularly when everyone wants to misunderstand you. Remember when they outright elided things he said to get that he’d called Nazis “good people”? Yeah, good times, that.
Now is he the most punctilious speaker? No. New Yorker, and having been — or passed as — left most of his life, he never had to police his words. It’s the habit of a lifetime. Besides, honestly, this is the guy who thinks Biggly is a word. He’s not a word person.
Yes, he could have a word person vet his stuff. We do remember that even now he’s surrounded by people willing to sell him for gotchas, right? And FYI everyone in his position will be. Remember the left selling people on Ford being clumsy? yeah.
Now would I volunteer to vet his word stuff? Hell yes. I’d take the job in a minute to be his “word interface with the world” — other than typos — and by saying that I don’t mean I WANT that job. It would destroy my life and my family’s life, and put an end to my writing career, which is the thing I wanted since I was six. BUT right now, it might be the best thing I can do for this country. And I love this country. But let’s be honest, no one is going to pick the weird girl blogger for that, and I’d probably talk back too much for his taste (or anyone’s taste.) So, whatevs. Do I trust anyone else? Well, some of you. But…. again, no one is going to tap us for this.
And if I vetted his word stuff, would he still say “appalling” things? Well, dudes, the left managed to get it out in the world that I’m homophobic and sexist. That means there is no way to speak that the left, and their right wing dupes won’t distort.
So… I have no solution, other than, stop jumping to the positions the left wants you to take. Another reason not to turn on Trump is that the left WANTS you to. And when have they wanted anything that was good for the right? Are you people simple?
And speaking of simple: remember when Trump let the country get paralyzed by covidiocy because he respected local rule? Some person to call for the erasing of the Constitution. That’s TOTES believable. Do I need a sarcasm tag? Stop jumping on this stuff like a cat on a shaken string. ARE YOU SIMPLE? Are you using only your cerebellum?
Now, one of my friends, who is one of the most brilliant people I know, saw this in a much simpler light “He’s not saying to ignore the constitution. He’s saying what happened and the blatant fraud allowed the Junta to ignore the constitution.”
He’s not wrong.
Another friend went at somewhat more length:
The thing people are, apparently deliberately, missing with regard to ‘termination … even those found in the Constitution’?
It is correct to say that the current mess is a failure mode that the constitution does not fully anticipate.
Strictly speaking, it is a failure mode where the constitution conflicts with the constitution.
The handwringing over Trump proposing a set of remedies that /includes/ remedies that conflict with the constitution is nonsensical when these same people were silent about other things actually done that were in violation of the constitution.
The January Sixth hearings, and attempts to impeach Trump, were about allegations that would have obviously had a defensibly constitutional reading had they actually occurred.
Every time a congress man alleged an insurrection, they offer evidence that Trump would have been potentially justified in a use of force, if he had not refrained from using force.
Trump had the executive power, under the constitution, and was charged to see laws duly enforced.
Election laws were flagrantly and blatantly not enforced, as part of a coordinated campaign of lawlessness (Covid lockdown), that happened to be coordinated with the most concentrated domestic terror campaign in forty years.
Trump was peacefully complaining, and asking for remedy, in courts and in congress.
The legislature is assigned the legislative power, with caveats. The judiciary is assign the judicial power, with caveats. The executive power is not so limited by clauses, in my recollection of reading it.
The limit of the executive power under the constitution is that it must be necessary under the responsibilities, and only be something that the executive can remedy.
It was under this theory that Lincoln’s actions can at all be legitimate, under the theory that the state of insurrection, and of laws not being duely enforced, and not suitable to remedy by the courts, so authorized and required him to act.
The presidency is explicitly given powers to act in an actual insurrection.
The Republican establishment has mainly been silent on this point. They can go to hell.
The current congress, serving federal officials, has on the record thereby blatantly made statemetns that conflcit with the constitution.
Folks for whom someone not formally in office making statements is a deal breaker, who were silent about congress, can have a sit down and think.
Despite what the constitution says, leaving the Presidency and congress vacant while the courts hear the arguments, and decide on the evidence and merits of the arguments, might have been reasonable.
Despite what the constitution says, redoing the election, might have been reasonable.
Forcing the situation forward merely established a state of affairs where elections are no longer binding. Quite a lot of people talking about this social media post can take their opinions, and choke on them.”
You know, he’s not wrong. But none of us wants that ultimate, exposed solution. NONE OF US WANTS war if there’s any other option at all.
Thing is, we’re running out of options, and jumping like catnip addled cats whenever the left waves the string, is not going to save us. No, another election, unless under great and careful measures, wouldn’t do much either.
Trump is wish casting. As right now we all are. Because we’re trying to avoid the solution of the Declaration of Independence.
It will take a miracle. Pray for a miracle.
Meanwhile, what did Trump mean?
Well, the man himself clarified it:
And I’m now done with defending Trump. DON’T MAKE DO THAT AGAIN. Do you know how many showers I have to take now?
I’ll be in my room praying for America. Even though, heaven help me, I don’t have great faith, I’m going to pray for a miracle.
But the first miracle I want is for people ostensibly on my side to stop being easily led. Please. I’m begging you. I realize we’re all social apes, but for once, please channel your inner goat.
We need a miracle.
Because the alternative to the miracle is unspeakably hard and the butcher’s bill is world-breaking.
Let the miracle start with you.