# Snakes in the Garden

The New York Times, that bastion of lies and wrongness who went from justifying Holodomor and sweeping it under the rug, to claiming that America was founded to BE a slave state, had a headline that obtruded on my attention when I finally sat down at my computer today (Sorry to be so late, I’m catching up on things left undone the last couple of weeks, including the Everest of laundry.)

It said “America was not a Democracy until Black Americans fought to make it so.”

There are so many errors in that as to make me want to march into the Times offices in full Portuguese mom mode, my slipper in one hand and ask them if they’re proud of themselves and the lies they tell.  (Probably, as a “journalist” tweeted yesterday, journalism is not about making friends. It’s about agitation.  That right there should get all her colleagues to drum her out in a chorus of disapproval, but they won’t.  Among the many things our ladies and gentlemen of the press are ignorant about it’s what they’re actually SUPPOSED to be doing.  Which is telling what happened with neither favor nor malice.)  But if we started up a team of moms to wash the mouths (and fingers) of NY Times Jornolists Journalists, we’d never be done, because they are so far steeped in lies you can tell they’re lying because their fingers move.

Let’s start with the idea (there was a line underneath about the ideals of the founding) that America was SUPPOSED to be a democracy.  Our founding fathers had seen the effects of democracy.  There is a reason we’re a democratic republic.  A democracy is three wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner.

A democracy: one man one vote, and the  result being counted that way is exactly what the left wishes for America. They want the president to be elected by popular vote.  To the extent that they’ve managed to implement it in the states (is there a constitutional lawyer in the house? Are we not granted a republican form of government in the states as well?) we have seen how that works.  Not only do the cities with higher population get to elect the governor and representatives — which means the interests of the country side and rural populations are completely forgotten — but also, because it’s much easier to fraud the vote in the cities, the party of fraud tends to have a lock on the vote and be able to experiment with their terror techniques and such brand new ideas as a Committee of Public Safety instead of the police. (How long do you think till the tumbrils roll? Look, I have issues with the mentality of a lot of big city police departments of us vs. them not to mention the militarization of the police.  However abolishing the police force all together, in a city already riven by division and agitation is going to end badly.)

Furthermore, a democracy over a country the size and diversity of ours would not work. It would devolve into a shooting war within days if not sooner.

That’s number one, against the New York Times.  The second part of their insanity is “Black Americans fought.”  From the Civil war to the civil rights movement, black and white people walked together and fought together against injustice.

But what the agitators journalists of the Times are doing, as well as what the whole left has been doing — for generations now — is convincing black Americans that a) The US is the most racist place ever.  b) slavery was invented to enslave black people because white people hate them so much.  c) there is this invisible “systemic” racism that causes white people to treat black people in ways that force black people to commit crimes, and/or live in poverty. d) there is some magical, beautiful place where everyone gets along and black people assume their rightful place of superiority to all.  A lot of black people in the US have been told this is Europe (snort giggle) Others have been told the Arab countries are that place.  In fact, many of them are told that Muslims are much less racist than any other religion (it would be snort giggle, but I’m too busy choking on vomit.) And then there was — though it seems less widespread now — the idea that Africa is a magical paradise because of the lack of “racism.”

All of these, ideas that there is a perfect land for American people who happen to be black, btw, last until a black person from the US moves to this supposed paradise, to live as a LOCAL.  Then it blows up spectacularly.

The others hold up for various levels of holding up simply BECAUSE the lies are so all pervasive, disseminated not just by “journalists” but by entertainment, by education, by casual conversation, and by EDUCATED white Americans.  If everyone tells you the same thing you believe it. At least unless you’re a cross patch and insist on believing your lying eyes over what they tell you.

These lies have destroyed the black community in America and the lives of countless Americans of all skin colors.

Back in the late eighties at a party I was witness to an argument between a black lady about my age, and a gentleman my dad’s age.  He was an historian and he asked her why so many black Americans convert to Islam, when it was Muslim traders who mostly captured and sold slaves to America.

The young lady erupted in the kind of irrational name calling and screaming that was (besides being very atypical to her) the sign that something she believed without examination was being challenged and she didn’t know what to do, because it formed part of who she thought she was. To challenge it was to challenge HER and what formed the center of her identity.

Prompted by this I started evaluating what they taught people in school about African slavery and found that they were taught no other race had ever been enslaved and only whites inherent racism (no other race being racist) caused them to create it, to enslave the black man.

I have no intention — this is for the skimming trolls — of defending slavery, a revolting practice as is any practice that infringes on the natural rights of man (and woman, since the skimming trolls are too stupid to infer.)  I hate it as much as communism, which I consider a sub-branch of the practice (and if you don’t I enjoin you to study history.)

I do know however, partly because I read a lot of archeology and history, that slavery has been part of the evils that mankind has been beset with and beset others with since the dawn of mankind. If you have homo-sapiens blood (and even though I have way more Neanderthal than most, I still have a lot of homo-sapiens) you’re descended from slaves and slaves. And those were all colors.  Both of them.  And even though there can be no proof, I bet you there were slaves stretching back to when there were five or six human species.

At the time I first realized the mal-education black (and indeed all) Americans were subjected to on that point, I thought they were trying to do it out of kindness.  Yes, I was naive. I thought teachers were trying to say “this is an aberration, and it wasn’t your ancestors fault. They might have been slaves, but they were without evil, and now you can start anew.”

I was wrong. It has since become clear I was wrong. The purpose of obscuring that there had been slavery since always, as well as that there is still slavery notably in Africa (and not all by Chinese overlords) was the contrary. It was to convince all young Americans that America was uniquely evil and therefore to convince them to destroy this, the last hope of mankind.

I presume the destruction of actual black lives was part of the plan as well. If you tell people that they alone are descended from people who allowed themselves to be enslaved, and that they are so hated that STILL there is this invisible “systemic racism” destroying all their attempts to better themselves, you’re going to keep them mired in despair and poverty.  Which are fertile ground for hatred.

(And yes, I know poor people get treated differently than the rich by the police. If you look back through my posts, I posit that replacing punching someone who offended you with taking them to court as a societal practice inherently favors the rich and diminishes the dignity of the individual. But there are also pathologies of being poor in America which are a discussion for another post. And poor is by no means by skin color.)

Look, I’ve told before on how, first arrived in America, I associated mostly with other immigrants. And because assimilation is HARD we often hit our nose on the wall. And told each other just-so stories about how everyone else was keeping us down.  I realized the stupidity of this, severed links with these people and started trying to ignore “discrimination” as a cause.  Is it a cause?  Oh, in some cases. But we’re all discriminated against for various things, sometimes stupid things like “I don’t like your face.”  It’s best to do what we can and ignore THAT. Because if we have a ready-made excuse for failure you’ll never succeed.

Now imagine that the entire culture and all the mechanisms of society, including those supposed to help you, do nothing but tell you that you can’t succeed and that no one will let you….

And with all that the funny thing is that black Americans, by and large, are no more resentful (let alone hateful) than people their age and economic standing.  In fact, the riots tearing America apart — while another thing to convince black Americans that they can’t just live like other Americans — are mostly fueled by white college students taught the same nonsense and filled with rage and hatred, because they’re convinced they live in the worst country in the world. (And the rich ones having gone on vacation to Europe “know” how much better it is. … because they’ve never lived there as locals, and don’t understand enough of the language to know what is said of them behind their backs. Never mind.)

The technique being used was used to flip the colonial powers out of Africa by the same people using it here.  And while I’m not going to defend colonialism as a whole and even the BEST colonial regimes were still awful in some ways, let me tell you that what came after in every circumstance was worse.  The worst colonialism did to Africa was allow socialists and communists to infiltrate it.

But in Africa black people were a majority. Here they are a small minority, and frankly not all of them — not even most of them — are collaborating with the left’s attempted revolution.  Because most of them are sane.

However if the “agitators” continue their work, all black people will suffer for it.  And people like me who can be confused for black, if we have a tan (I’ve been working in the yard) and their hair is worn a certain way will suffer for it as well.

The left is no more going to get their revolution than they were when they thought that OWS would cause the “grassroots” to revolt.  Their fundamental disconnect with reality causes them to act in ways that make no sense and then be bewildered when their sacred texts don’t come true.

But if this goes on, they’re going to get something.  And they won’t like what they get.  But neither will I or most of my readership, even the lilly-pale ones because Odds don’t fare well in a society that enforces mass conformity.  And as for our children and grandchildren….  Well, I have no idea what my biological grandchildren might look like. We’re such a mixed lot as a family Dan and I had no clue what our children would look like. They might be blue eyed blonds, or look half-African or…. anything in between.  With the grandchildren, at least of the married son (we have no idea what the younger son will find or drag home 🙂 ) even more so.  Though we’re fairly sure they’ll be large, muscular and smart.

Black Americans didn’t “fight for democracy.”  That would be a stupid thing to fight for, and as all other collectivist bullshit the left has tried to push on them.

ALL colors of Americans fought and bled and died together for the ideals of the Founding.  From the beginning.

It’s time to start calling the liars on their lies.  It’s time to find out what they taught our young and correct it.  It’s time to remember who and what we are.

Color?  Who the heck cares. It correlates poorly to either intelligence or character.

It’s time the irredeemable racists of the left stop painting all whites (and white in America is a very fluid thing, mind you) as racist and all blacks as victims.

It’s time to remember we’re Americans. We’re born in a country that grants us our natural rights of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Anyone selling a paradise that infringes on those for any of us of ANY COLOR doesn’t come in peace and doesn’t want what’s best for us.

And they should get no foothold here.  Anywhere.

## 437 thoughts on “Snakes in the Garden”

1. RES says:

They have found imposed the Truth of Henry Ford’s dictum, “History is bunk.”

It doesn’t have to be, but that is what they insist on making of it. As Gresham’s Law affects money so too does it influence History.

2. RES says:

That right there should get all her colleagues to drum her out in a chorus of disapproval, but they won’t.

Oh, they might, but it would be fr raising the veil not misrepresenting their beliefs.

The Washington Post, which used to be somewhat saner than the Times has today a column by “Voice of the Paper” Margaret Sullivan bearing the headline “Mission must drive journalists’ questions” which, while asserting a duty for journalists to address society’s ills without considering journalists’ utter lack of qualifications to diagnose or prescribe.

The arrogance of these twits is matched only by their ignorance.

1. PK says:

My suspension of disbelief about Superman’s day job broke a while ago.

I miss it.

1. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard says:

Somewhere I read (a hopefully tongue-in-check) idea about what Clark Kent should really be doing instead of putting on a costume and flying around “doing good”. 😉

1. PK says:

…Is this the little comic where they convince him to turn a little handle in the basement all the time to supply the world’s energy, or was this some how to change the world as a journalist thing?

1. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard says:

Change the world by acting like a journalist. 😦

2. Mary says:

Energy! My word! You really want to destroy the environment, don’t you?

2. Cardshark says:

Sorry, but Kill Bill 2 was right. The Clark Kent newspaper suit and tie are the costume. Superman’s clothes, are his actual clothes that represent his native Krypton. It is Clark Kent that is the alter ego wearing a costume.

1. Christopher M. Chupik says:

The way I see it is this: Kal-El is who was born to be. Clark Kent is who he was raised to be. Superman is how he reconciles the two halves of his nature.

3. chuck_K says:

OMG Full Portuguese Mom Mode! That’s the worst, Just ask Lucia when her Mom thought she lying about Fatima.

1. Livestream of the trans mormon dude appropriating la chancla at the NYT offices when?

1. Alpheus says:

Hey, wait! I’ve always known that Sarah is a White Mormon Male. When did she become trans?!?

1. “Mormon male (with a great rack)”

Seems pretty self-evident to me.

1. Alpheus says:

But I always thought the great rack was a torture device! She’s an Evil But Beautiful Space Princess, after all ….

2. Wasn’t Brigham Young the original trans Mormon? After all, he led his coreligionists trans the Mississippi River, the Great Plains and the Rocky Mountains.

2. Oh, man. And the sad thing was that Lucia’s mom really was pious and smart, but she really wasn’t prepared for next level stuff, or neighbors snarking. Once things got oriented correctly, and she got her guns pointed in the right direction, it was a different story. But yup, if you want purification through (mental) suffering….

1. Eh. I suspect like me she was SERIOUSLY disturbed by “woo woo stuff.”

4. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard says:

There are many mistakes a person can make but one of the worst is to believe “that the world/people are out to get you”.

I’ve been there at times.

I honestly believed that people were out to “get me”.

Little things that other people would let pass were for me evidence that another person was “out to get me”.

Well, I’ve beaten that mindset but I hear evidence of that mindset when I hear talk about White Racism or Male sexism.

“Micro-aggressions”?

Just another excuse to believe that “those people” are “out to get them”.

And the worst of it are the Lefties who encourage that mindset. 😡

1. junior says:

Things like “micro-aggressions” are the *explicit* reason why Christians are required to forgive others, and to figuratively turn the other cheek. Micro-aggressions are essentially nit-picking to find fault with the conduct of others, which is conduct that will tear apart any society that engages in it.

1. I had never considered them in that light (mostly just calling them bunk), but you’re dead on.

2. Alpheus says:

Indeed: what can be considered a “microagression” by one person may very well be what the other person considers “I was bullied in school, and this is what I do to survive”. We are commanded to forgive in no small part because we don’t understand the motivations of the people who do things that may offend us.

2. Reziac says:

And now the shouts that blacks in America are subject to “genocide”.

We’ve got some 40 million of ’em. I think we’re doin’ it wrong.

1. Much like the Israeli genocide of Palestinians, where the population keeps going up.

1. Reziac says:

They’re doin’ it wrong too! You’d think with all the practice, them Jews could conspire better than that. 😛

1. Matthew says:

Yep – Israelis are the most incompetent genociders EVER!

2. Cardshark says:

You are not considered the left’s sacred cause of abortion which results in enough deaths of black babies to be considered genocidal. So once again the left/Democrats are responsible.

3. There have been many setbacks in my life. There are girls that I wanted to date who would barely look or speak to me. I have been hit on by both men and women whom I have felt no romantic desire. There are jobs I was perfectly qualified for and for which I was really excited to do, but I never heard back about after the interview. There have been orders placed that once received were the completely wrong items. I have been looked at and told I’m a skinhead, or a fat slob, etc. by people who met me a mere 5 seconds before who know nothing about me.

I didn’t take those things and complain I was being treated unfairly for my race/sex. I may have been treated unfairly, and it may have been because of my race, sex or skin color. But just because I may have felt slighted or disappointed in some way doesn’t mean that that was the motivation of the other party. Not everything is about race, sex, religion, skin color, etc. Oftentimes it’s just because the other party didn’t see your particular skills as fitting their particular needs at that moment. Or their circumstances changed from when a need/desire was recognized and when you showed up. Or, perhaps they just weren’t listening closely to what was happening at the time and misunderstood things.

1. d says:

All those jobs I was qualified for and thought I was excited to work at, but never heard back after the interview? Most of them aren’t even businesses anymore or strongly cut back. The one I applied for out of desperation (because I never apply to no-company-name, just PO Box, application for “programmer”, just too risky; but in a “what the hell do I have to lose” insanity, I did), I got an interview, and ultimately the job. Where I stayed for 12 years, could still be working for, but retired on my own terms. Small firm, original owner gone, now owned by a private enterprise collecting these owner orphaned software firms, is not going anywhere anytime soon. Those other companies? Someone was looking out for me. Within the first 5 years at the company I ended up working at, as stated above, I watched the other firms leave the area. I’d have been looking for work again …. Discrimination because I was female & older in tech? Probably, some of it, maybe. Or someone putting their thumb on the scale going, uh, no, you don’t need this. Who knows.

1. I’m a Christian who has struggled with his beliefs many times over the years. But as I’ve looked back on my life, and the small trials, twists and turns it has taken, I’ve only become more cemented in my belief in God. For there is no other explanation as to how I could end up where I am today except through his divine intervention. I haven’t always gotten what I wanted. But I’ve gotten what I needed (even if it was a frying pan to the face).

1. Same. Now, lets hope He still cares for America. Hope and pray.

1. He’s stripped the phrenic protections of the Dim left, leaving them entirely open to the maddening influence of perdition. I’d say that’s fair evidence that He’s still watching out for fools, drunks, and Americans.

-Albert

2. RCPete says:

After I was laid off from Hewlett-Packard Agilent, I went looking for work at semiconductor and automatic test equipment companies. Finally found a job consulting for a company that was expanding–in the spring of 2002. After they went bankrupt, I retired. To date, the largest semi company I talked to is a small part of another large company, most of the tester companies are gone, and the smaller semiconductor companies pretty much went away. (Just checked the most promising one–gone in 2007.)

I could try to blame it on age discrimination, though the one company that really wanted me set off so many red flags I ran. Fast. (Wish I could recall their name; there’s probably an interesting writeup in Wiki. Think corporate trainwreck.)

$SPOUSE and I both figure that *somebody* had plans for us up here. Not sure what they are, but it’s been interesting, in several senses… 2. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard says: I know that NOW. 😉 On the other hand, since I’m an asper I suspect that I didn’t come across well in interviews and I had been fired (mainly because of temper problems). 3. GWB says: Not everything is about race, sex, religion, skin color, etc. LOL. I know exactly what you mean, but when you put “etc.” on the end, well… then “everything” is about one of those. 🙂 And I concur. 1. etc. was meant to cover the SJW cause du jour 4. And I’ve lived through some times where my peers (and a couple of the teachers) really WERE out to get me. If I’m remembering Mrs. Hoyt’s tales correctly, one of her sons went through that. Public schools, eh? Even THEN the mentality of “they’re out to get me” is poison. It has to be “these people are Just Awful and I need to get ’round them to win.” For values of win that might just be “get through the day without being assaulted.” And the minute you are clear, you don’t give them a second’s thought . Though if you’re a thoroughly decent person, you pray for them and try to do kind things for them. But I rarely managed that. I will attest, that if you can (Yes, it takes a miracle), you’re even more free of them than ever. If you go the “out to get me” route you’ll be their slave forever. 1. I do pray for my enemies (and yes, I too have had people out to get me. Some of whom got some stripes in in my career.) IF I stop doing nice things for people when I can — even after they got the knife in once or twice — it’s mostly because I’m distancing from them because I can’t afford to be hurt again. 1. I find that really very hard to do. All my instincts are to just walk away and cut them out. You’re a better man than I am Gunga Din. 5. “Micro-aggressions”? Just another excuse to believe that “those people” are “out to get them”. Falling asleep, had a lightbulb: They use to be called “slights.” Where someone does something rude to you, or fails to give you the respect you deserve. At which point I realized it’s not just a variation of the chip on the shoulder— it’s a bad paint job on the stupid pissing match usually seen in gangs of teenage boys, or among very drunk, poorly raised folks at the bar. Nobody else is allowed to “slight” them, but they can not-slight-at-all folks at will. The more civilized version are the auto-martyrs– no matter what, people have Done Them Wrong, but because they are just so wonderful, they shall bear up under this Overwhelming Burden. Those of you who just recognized some of those folks, usually women of a certain age, who “volunteer” for everything even if they have to brow beat folks into accepting it, and then constantly complain about being too busy: yep. That is a variant, and how I recognized it. Had a lady chief who did that, although she was at least halfway effective rather than the really obnoxious ones who just make more work for everyone. The auto-martyrs are obnoxious, but with the whole Christian ignore slights thing they’re not destructive to anything but your san check. 5. This recent attempt by the New York Times-Stürmer to ret-con all of US history as the story of a slave nation infuriates me even more, as my current WIP is set in the 1840-1865 time frame and I have been neck-deep in accounts of the anti-slavery movement as it existed at that time. It goes beyond willful blindness on the part of the propagandists perpetuating the 1619 Project – to willful, vicious lying. I’d not be sad a bit to see the Times-Stürmer building ransacked and wrecked by the rioters that they encouraged. 1. Confutus says: Back in HS, John Howard Griffin’s “Black Like Me” (this was back when race riots in LA and Detroit etc. were still recent memory) was required reading. Also, much later I actually read “Uncle Tom’s Cabin”. Yes, I detected echoes and reverberations, and I’m not entirely unsympathetic to black plight. But the modern race-war provocateurs are determined to resurrect dead grievances and inflame new ones in the name of compassion. And how many of these are showing any compassion for the victims of looting and arson (not to mention the other crimes?)? Those come in all sizes, shapes, and colors. “It’s only property” say those who have plenty and don’t have to worry about where their next meal is coming from. “Those who protest robbery and rape are just showing their white privilege” forsooth! Where did these people grow up, that such things aren’t a horror? 1. RCPete says: One expects that the speaker of such drivel lives in a gated community and/or has a security detail. (President of the city council. Whatever she got paid, it’s too much.) I have an old friend who lives in Minneapolis; sole proprietor, with business that takes him to various downtown and other locations. I hope he sells the business and gets out of Dodge; he’s my age and not in the best of health. 2. GWB says: “It’s only property” say those who have plenty and don’t have to worry about where their next meal is coming from. Hmmm, maybe an actual good purpose for gulags. We could take the perpetrators of the riots and – instead of sending them to a regular prison where they just become some big man’s boyfriend – send them to some very far away vast spot of hard soil and awful weather, give them some bags of seed and basic farming implements and food preparation tools (like a couple of millstones), a barracks in which to live, and wave good bye. Oh, and you give them about 3 days of McDonalds that they’re welcome to ignore, if they like…. 2. It’s the NYT. Why would anyone trust it? 1. The communists and their useful idiots are all in on it. 3. scott2harrison says: It could be a twofer. Some of them could be caught in the presses. Others could have a close encounter with hot lead (the liquid stuff, not the fast stuff) or nitric acid if the Times is still a letterpress shop. There are also those ton+ rolls of newsprint. Good times for all. 6. RES says: what the agitators journalists of the Times are doing, as well as what the whole left has been doing They do seem to be endorsing the Nation of Islam interpretation of history, don’t they? When did Louis Farrakhan become editor of the Times? 1. RES says: Yeah, as I was writing that I remembered the theory that Malcolm X’s visit to Africa had convinced him to go apostate and led to his death as a heretic … a fate the Progressives seem to have in mind for more than a few of us. 1. Cardshark says: Malcolm X’s own autobiography indicates that. He tells of how he knew he was being hunted by the Nation of Islam for his apostasy against it and that he expected them to try to murder him. What the left is pushing in schools, in the NY Times and elsewhere, and indeed the entirety of academia’s Critical Race Theory is simply Nation of Islam founder Elijah Muhammad’s noxious screed that “the white man is the devil” and the whole edifice that was built around that screed. Thus as our hostess noted in the schools that “they were taught no other race had ever been enslaved and only whites inherent racism (no other race being racist) caused them to create it, to enslave the black man”. This is essentially verbatim Nation of Islam orthodoxy. 1. I’ve been seeing a disturbing amount of anti-semitism when I pop into Twitter and see the bits about how The Jewish Conspiracy (TM) is part of why the black man is so poor (I refuse to retweet that insanity) along with the reason why we’re seeing riots is because Zionist Conspiracy again rawr, which is not helped by deBlasio deciding the Jews were easier to police than everyone else. Honestly, the fact that the Jews there haven’t simply started moving away puzzles and frustrates me, because, HELLO YOU LOT DON’T WAIT UNTIL YOU’RE MASSACRED but I also get it, that’s their home, has been for decades… *sigh* Going to cuddle the kids. They’re being cute cute. 1. junior says: New York City Mayor Bill DeBlasio has been very blatantly going after the Jews in New York City over the last few months. He’s not really even bothering to try and disguise it. 1. emily61 says: Come to Texas! Lots of Jews in Dallas. It’s a financial and commercial city like NYC. Jews have been living in NYC for over a century. My father’s side of my family tried to immigrate to the US right after WWI. They finally succeeded in 1923. My sister’s daughter lives in Philly. Her elder son lives in London. Her younger son lives in ND. I’m in Plano (suburban Dallas). 1. Reziac says: Hey there! I was hatched in Devils Lake!! Not sure which swamp thing was responsible… 2. emily61 says: He lives in Bismarck. Are you anywhere near there? I realize that ND is huge. SD seems to have had the calmest and most sensible reaction to Winnie the Flu. 1. Currently in Fargo, grew up in Minot, mother’s side grew up in Mandan (across the river from Bismarck) when grandpa was Sheriff there, still have friends and family in the Bis-Man area. 1. PK says: I remember reading a conversation — in 2016, I guess — where somebody referred to Cruz (I think?) making a disparaging reference to “NY values” or something like that, assuming that “NY” was code for “Jewish.” Someone else argued that this was more reflecting/exploiting urban-rural conflict but I can only imagine that the original assumption that it could be used that way indicates a pretty high level of identification for some people. 1. emily61 says: Don’t go dissin’ my senator! Texas is very Jewish friendly. Don’t know about rural or small town TX, I live in suburban Dallas. 1. PK says: My apologies for the lack of clarity. I do not think Cruz was disparaging Jews. As I think the conversation was about the 2016 primaries, he may plausibly have been referring to Trump. The talk about the wisdom of getting away from the current NYC mayor just reminded me of the conversation, and out-of-nowhere though it seemed to me then and now, that individual thinking it was even a plausible “code” seemed to speak to a level of self-identification of their personal circle with the city that might illuminate a decision to stay put. 1. RES says: Cruz was not attacking “Jewish” values, it was simply a classic case of Jew-hating Dems seizing a shield to distract from the facts of their decadent values. Cruz’s remark was also play on a well-known salsa commercial. 1. PK says: A… salsa commercial? I actually found the conversation and, while I shan’t quote because it turns out to have been in a semi-private area, I was pleased to see that even the person making the initial assumption was persuaded to forsake it. But I seem to have entirely missed the salsa commercial. 1. NEW YORK CITY!?!? Get a rope! 2. PK says: Ohhhhhhh! Okay, I have heard the “NEW YORK CITY?!” bit quoted — I could hear it before I played the video — but missed the original. 3. FWIW, my family can and does quote that @#$@# thing at the drop of a salsa lid. 😀

4. I used to drive past the San Antonio Pace Picante sauce factory for a good few years when I first settled in San Antonio – it was just off the IH-35, in an industrial side of town opposite Brooke Army Medical – and you could smell the sauce being brewed up! Lovely, appetizing smell of cooking tomatoes and peppers and spices.

5. RES says:

We used to have Lay’s factory in town, sitting at an intersection of a main cross-town thoroughfare. We’d get caught at the light and could see the factory exhaust cloud blowing across the route, riding from about three feet high up to perhaps eight or ten feet at the top of the cloud.

You’d smell the rancid fat and never want to eat a Lay’s chip of any kind ever again.

2. RES says:

I endorse this sentiment, as expressed by a near governor …

… and representative of Texas Jewry.

1. emily61 says:

Looks up recipe for roast wallaby.

1. Having had kangaroo, the meat is tough, but flavorful. I think it’s better as a jerky.

1. RES says:

I acknowledge I can be a bit of a jerk but I think terming me jerky is a stretch.

1. ;g Unfortunately I have been craving dried meats lately and spent the last hour wondering if horse jerky would be tasty. Wi hear bear is yummy.

2. snelson134 says:

That’s what meat mallets are for….. 😎

1. Imaginos1892 says:

Are you SURE they’re not for tenderizing the heads of leftists? They are so thick and so hard, you need something.

2. Reziac says:

While back someone pointed me at some very wordy Jewish Conspiracy materials, some of which I was able to backtrack to original sources. And those I could trace went back to Muslim sources, one way or another. Oh, I’m so surprised…

The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.
— from the hadith Sahih Muslim, 41:6985

1. Cardshark says:

This particular Hadith is part of the official charter of the Muslim Brotherhood, which is an organization that among other goals is dedicated to the worldwide genocide of Jews and was founded in the 1920s BEFORE modern Israel came to be in 1948/ The MB worked with the real actual Nazis during WWII to help murder Jews. Hamas is a direct offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood as is Al-Qaeda. Hezbollah also has this Hadith as part of its charter. The PLO/Fatah/Palestinian Authority, who the Democrats and the EU establishment all claim is “moderate” routinely recites this Hadith.

Needless to say Democrats insist Israel is the obstacle to peace int he Middle-East not all the genocidal entities that run Gaza and the West Bank and who put out maps where Israel simply does not exist.

Democrats if they win will throw Israel completely under the bus and thus invite these genocidal groups to attack with the support of Iran. The radical leftists who are pushing for defunding the police are virulently anti-Semitic and anti-Israel and will cheer on the efforts to destroy Israel and wipe out every Jew living there.

1. Imaginos1892 says:

Throwing the Jews under the bus has not worked out so well for most of the groups that have tried it. For 4,000 years one bunch after another has been trying to wipe out the Jews. The Jews are still here. Most of their enemies are not.

Here endeth the lesson.

1. *dryly*
It’s almost like they’ve got somebody on their side.

*salutes the Boss above*

2. If thee I do forget, Jerusalem, may my tongue be struck dumb.

2. There are the Sons and Daughters of Abraham and Sarah, and then there are the Professional Jews. (ADA, anyone?)

The latter have managed to generate a great deal of legitimate ill-will, including amongst Blacks. And can you blame them? The ADL was founded specifically to pin a murder on a Black man* and Planned Parenthood to genocide the Black American future. These [Jews] regularly brag that the Jewish people as a whole are responsible for abortion rights, socialist Welfare plantations, and the “I’m a victim” curricula. Chutzpah!

As for Islam, as painful as it is to see a fellow American woman, and a free person of colour, wearing the slave scarf; I get the appeal. With (prior to the mid-oughts) Muslims being so rare except amongst Blacks, it’s a religion that promises righteous bloody revenge on everyone not of their tribe. If you’ve been done dirt just for being a part of the Black tribe, that has to be more seductive than “suck it up, forgive, and work hard; you’ll probably due poor and unknown.”

There’s a mindset “it’s us against the world” that can really do you in if the “us” aren’t… Hmmm. Well, you probably know what I’m getting at. Two minefields are enough for one combox.

(* Who may have been guilty. We’ll never know. But still.)

1. Cardshark says:

The founder of Planned Parenthood included Jews in the “weeds” that she wished to remove. She hated Jews as virulently as she Blacks.

1. THIS.
Sorry. Yes, secular Jews can be a pain, like all leftists can be a pain.
There is no vast racial guilt.
AND if there’s a rounding up, though my family hasn’t practiced in 600 on one side and 100 plus years on the other (or not openly) I know who my people are. And I’ve known I’ll get swept up since I was included in a list of “Jews screwing up science fiction” 20 years ago.
And this time we have gunns.

1. Amsel, Matthew [FH] says:

Wait, we screwed up SF? The heck did we do this time?

1. I don’t know. There was a list of like a 100 people, and there was my name…
At the time I had my first trilogy out. That was it.

2. Well that’s a corker. They really are [Fakes] aren’t they?

3. When you’re in an abusive relationship it’s often hard to escape. Sometimes the gaslighting has worked to such a degree that you are sure you deserve everything bad that happens to to. Sometimes you realize you’re in a bad situation but don’t know how to extricate yourself from it. Sometimes you know how, but can’t summon the strength to do anything about it.

There is no doubt in my mind that what the Democrats/Communists have been doing is the same as any other abuser. “Look what you made me do! Do what I say and you won’t get hurt again.” Until the next time you step out of line.

1. I would advise people wondering about D/C tactics to take a bit of time to browse through the “raisedbynarcissists” Reddit. Narcissistic personalities want power over other at any cost. Any. The range of gaslighting techniques, abuse, and sheer petty cruelties is sobering. And it’s worldwide. As more than one survivor has observed, “it’s like they’re all reading from the same playbook.”

Totalitarianism in miniature. If it’s hard to grasp the depths of hate progressives have on the large scale… start looking at the small scale. It’s sobering.

2. I’d particularly recc’ this subsection of the Reddit:

Take a look at the Practical Advice section, for one – that’s all the stuff people have posted on because they’ve had to teach themselves how to do it, their families didn’t, or actively sabotaged them trying to learn. Down to basic hygiene, dental visits, and learning to drive. People will ask, “Why don’t you just leave?” This is part of the reason. Abusers not only terrorize you, they actively make you helpless.

1. Argh, drat it, meant to put in a link, not a wall of text! Sorry.

4. Mary says:

There were Jews who died in the Holocaust because they had moved BACK to Germany having concluded that Nazi policies were not that bad after all.

It can be very difficult to cut off your home like that.

1. Cardshark says:

It is also symptomatic of the “that can’t happen here” mindset, a mindset that is unfortunately prevalent of those who downplay the fundamental threat to liberty that the Democrats and their leftist media and paramilitary arms represent.

1. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard says:

Then there are those who keep looking for danger in the “wrong direction”. 😦

1. RES says:

It is an axiom of Progressives that there are “No Enemies To The Left.”

Which attitude is more strongly endorsed the further left the endorser is.

1. Imaginos1892 says:

Well, if there’s NOBODY left of them, there can’t be any enemies there, right?

5. RES says:

Going to cuddle the kids. They’re being cute cute.

While it is possible to over-indulge kids, possible to over-protect kids, it is scientifically proven that it is not possible to over-cuddle kids. Give ’em a flourish for me, young feller!

1. True! And if you implement the THAD Protocol* early, even after they’re big ba d teens you can sneak in a cuddle.

*3 Hugs Daily. Minimum USDA reccy.

1. My brothers, as adults, still cuddle Mom. XD
*chuckle!*
Had an entertaining afternoon where oldest son wanted a cuddle (which, at his age, is put head in lap and get his head petted), and the youngest siblings got JEALOUS. Jaenelle promptly climbed on top of Vincent, and tried to cram herself in my lap, and Rowan, who doesn’t even have the ability to do more than flop onto his belly, kicked him in the hair, which was more amusing than painful.

1. *laughing so hard* Oh, gads, the #1 way to get the Contessa to zip over and yell at me is for big brother Chief to climb up into my lap.

JEALOUS is so adorable in tinies!

1. Jaenelle gets jealous if I get hugs from Rhys too.

2. Today both the littles are sick. I had them both in my lap for a while, one on each thigh. Doesn’t help that they both seem to be teething (also, is it normal for a molar to start coming out before a cuspid? This is new to me.)

1. I hope they’re just teething, then, not really sick….

And normal as in happens the most often, no. Normal as in it happens and doesn’t mean something is wrong, yes.

1. Okay. Jaenelle’s teeth are a bit on the late side, and her first lower molar is coming out (with hints that the opposing molar is coming out above) so I’m hoping they’ll sort themselves out. With the oldest kids, their teeth came in regularly and with the bouts of fever, sniffles and general body aching and sleepless nights.

1. Robert had his first tooth break through at 2 months (no, I’m not actually joking. and yes, I nursed him another 16 months. And yes, I WANT a medal.)
Marshall got first tooth at two.
Yes, they’re siblings. I have no clue WHO Robert took after,possibly my maternal grandmother (we heard rumors.)
BUT Marsh is solidly on my family side of late teething, including late permanent teeth. (I changed my last molar at 14. Pulled it out in the middle of a science class, after idly playing with it most of the period. That was a fun moment. I couldn’t tell the teacher why I needed to run out the door, because I had a mouth full of blood.)

2. Mentioning the opposing molars reminded me that the Duchess was one where she got the two tiny front teeth, then the molars, then the rest.

I found this out because she very adorably took my finger to gum on, and then drew blood with said molars…..

3. PK says:

Ow!

Mine (I should come up with a nickname for her here, especially now that there’s hopefully going to be another one Doing Stuff) sensibly refrained from growing teeth until several months later than either of her parents, by which point she had figured out how to stand up. This seems to have involved a lot less bleeding than the other way around.

1. Thank you. The fact that they want cuddles takes me back to my own childhood. They outgrow my lap so quickly…

7. The plague of lying because it advances the cause, and the persecution of those who don’t accept the lies, and the surrender to the threat of persecution in so many of our major institutions is far worse than any biological virus. How do you get people to grow a moral backbone? I don’t know.
Having been persecuted, ostracized, and misunderstood as an Odd (too weak, clumsy, and socially inept on the one hand, too smart on the other) as a child and youth, and having done battle with my own impatience and temper, I am perhaps more prepared than many to stand my ground and be not moved by even gale-force winds of political correctness. Still, it’s hard to watch people surrender their good sense and join the mob.

1. weefreeirish says:

Hail!

I’m just stubborn. And Irish. But I repeat meself.

1. Mary says:

Nah, the second one is a subset, so you’re not.

1. weefreeirish says:

Oi!

2. That upbringing left me more than ready.

It left me ready to be the mob to burn down the beautiful and liked first chance I get. It is an urge I fight more days than not. There seems to be an entire cultural movement devoted to getting me not to fight it, but I know if I get into them by myself they’ll just use me as evidence of “the violence and hate of white men”. So I’ll sit here and be English and learn everyday while the rest of the English learn as well.

3. How do you get people to grow a moral backbone?

Step 1:
Don’t beat them for having one.
Even when you don’t agree.

I’m sick to death of the hypocritical histrionics from supposed adults.

1. Reziac says:

The beatings will continue until morale improves!

1. Or, as Lewis put it– we castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.

1. Oh look! Another warning used as an instruction manual.

2. Well, it usually does…eventually…when the person giving the beatings has been rendered into blood sausage.

2. Unfortunately this is the first thing anyone who wants power does to anyone in their power. After all, how dare they tell you “No.”

1. Unless they’re raised better, yeah.

Heck, even just normal people frequently go to the fasted way to get people to nod yes– which is almost always going to be emotional junk. With a normal group. Geeky groups, there will be genuflection to something eveyrbody agrees is important, with a biiiiiig leap from A to Q while ignoring the assumptions.

8. RES says:

But we’re all discriminated against for various things, sometimes stupid things…

Beloved Spouse, who grew u in Center City, Philadelphia, always had trouble listening to Chris Matthews (even before he had become obviously deranged) because his South Philly accent always triggered a “dumbass” flag.

Most of us are aware of the way a Southern accent causes people (non-Southern people, to be precise) to downgrade the speaker’s IQ by at least one standard deviation … and many of us have garnered bitter amusement at Travis Taylor’s effect on Yankees.

For that matter, accusations of “White Privilege” are a form of justification of discriminating, couched in concepts that make the discriminator feel noble.

The antonym for “discrimination” is not “fairness” but rather “indiscriminate” and mostly when folk complain about discrimination they are quibbling over who/whom.

1. junior says:

Double the negative first impression points if the speaker with the pronounced souhthen drawl is wearing a military uniform…

1. weefreeirish says:

Or a butter bar….

2. kenashimame says:

“White Privilege” is soft racism at it’s finest, weaponized white liberal guilt.

3. Most of us are aware of the way a Southern accent causes people (non-Southern people, to be precise) to downgrade the speaker’s IQ by at least one standard deviation

My sister is a short, cute, blond sorority girl. People figure she’s a ditz and a doormat.

Then they wind up evicted for screwing with her when she was trying to work them on rent because they were unemployed.

With the eviction served on Christmas morning (btw, think about the kind of favors owed you have out there just to pull that off).

1. Eviction executed, not served.

2. FiL used to work narcotics. The one day they served a search warrant on a house dealing drugs after having surveiled it for a couple of weeks. The girl was in tears, “But it’s my birthday!” The guy looked at her and said, “I’m pretty sure they know that.”

1. And I can immediately call to mind multiple very nasty events– transferring hard drugs were the least of it– that were scheduled for the house’s little girl’s birthday party. It’s a great way to explain folks showing up all at once, and if something goes down your lawyer (and pet journalists) eat it up.

Because they’ve figured out that people try to avoid cruelty, and thus use humans shields.

9. Bobbie says:

Well. the NYT does have one use. If a book is advertised as NYT best seller I automatically know it is not one I want to waste my money, eyesight and brain on. With very few exceptions.
Off topic, wuflu and domestic terrorists may both be part of reasons why my country home has a contract on it within 8 days of listing. Get out of Dodge anyone?

1. RES says:

Get out of Dodge anyone?

There have been numerous reports of “well-to-do” New Yorkers fleeing the city reevaluating suburban and rural lifestyles. I seem to recall the Wall St. journal saying that analysis of cell phone data reveals some 450K fewer people in the city. As it seems improbable that the diaspora is evenly distributed among economic quintiles you can surmise the effects on real estate values both in NY and in those blessed destination communities.

It probably ain’t gonna help the city’s tax base very much, either.

1. Confutus says:

Combined with lockdown paranoia because of the Wuhan Coronavirus, who cares anymore about such mundane matters as tax base? Are politicians so nearsighted that they can’t see they are headed towards absolute rule over empty cities of burnt out shells in fairly short order if they continue leftist politics as usual? Either that, or getting eaten by some bold ganglord.

1. emily61 says:

The only thing that most pols care about is personal power. They’d do absolutely anything for it. They wouldn’t care about their city being a burnt out shell if it gave them absolute power.

2. TRX says:

> tax base

A lot of cities seem to have the idea they’re “too big to fail”, and they’ll get bailed out by the state or Fed. Which. given the status of most of those budgets, I don’t see happening… Minneapolis is already screeching for Trump to wave his magic checkbook, which shows they also have no idea of the limits of Presidential power…

All of thost cities were in financial straits *before* COVID and the riots; not only has some of the population fled, but some number of businesses aren’t coming back either, and others will be permanently downsized.

Financial responsibility, austerity, and trimming off pork programs would get them through, but that’s about as likely as the Tooth Fairy showing up with a basket of Krugerrands.

Archeologists have been digging up abandoned cities for centuries now. As far as we can tell, people just walked away from Mohenjo-Daro, Angkor Wat, or Macchu Picchu. We may have got an inkling why in the recent histories of places like Detroit, Gary, or all those abandoned Soviet cities the “urban explorer” types tramp through.

A city is a *machine*, though not an obvious one; it needs water and waste disposal and transport and trade or conquest for food and goods. These are provided by some mix of public and private enterprise, under a legal and political control structure. If any of those basics break down, life gets hard enough people eventually go somewhere else. Right now the people who are supposed to be running the machines have loosened the lug nuts, jammed the governor, poured gasoline all over, and are standing there with a lit match.

Historians will doubtless wonder WTF happened to Detroit or Minneapolis. And we don’t know *now*; we know what, but not why.

1. Alpheus says:

I personally don’t think cities are machines … but then, I once took the criteria for life (ie, does the entity change its environment, does it eat, does it reproduce, etc) and applied them to cities, and realized that cities are living entities. As such, they can be poisoned and killed off, just like any other entity …

2. Read a news story about houses outside New York on the market for months or even a few years finally selling, AT ASKING PRICE, when the wuflu hit.

1. RCPete says:

I’m seeing the same in south central Oregon. Some of the most unlikely dumps “homes with character” are selling now at high prices. Of course, we’re the affordable (sort of) destination for Californians who are being forced out. The coastal elites will consider something over west of the Cascades. One hopes they end up in a neighborhood they deserve. Perhaps in Portland. (And I checked; Defund da Police is gaining traction in Portland. Glad I don’t have to get anywhere near there.)

1. What really slays me is the fleeing immigration invariably tries to recreate the political culture of the first-time place. It’s so universal, I’m convinced it’s baked into human beans (That is not just “Californians” or “city folk” or “Mexicans”.)

I think that’s where most immigrant-backlash comes from.

The person who comes up with a protocol that counters this would be a Godsend.

1. Imaginos1892 says:

They flee from the shitholes they have made, and then wonder why their lives don’t magically get better because they brought their dysfunctional behaviors to a different place.

When your life doesn’t get better no matter where you go, YOU are the only constant. You can’t run away from yourself.

1. Real acculturation HURTS and leaves you feeling like you betrayed your first family. It is possible, but it have to be an individual decision, and it has to be WORKED at. For the first ten years, at least.

2. I suspect it is more of a “we” than a “they” thing, but, yes.

2. Sorry, that should be “fled from place”.

3 tries to get WP not to eat the combox.

3. RCPete says:

One of the things that helps us is Winter. People who move from lowland California sometimes get shocked at just how cold weather can be in January at 4000′. In our tiny town, people generally aren’t friendly to newcomers until they’ve made it past their second winter.

In our case, I grew up in snow country, and $SPOUSE spent her first few years in such. I was way too conservative for Silly Valley, but fit right in here. (In many ways, I really didn’t have deep roots in California despite living there over 25 years. When we were getting ready to leave, I gave some thought to moving to rural Michigan–hated cities since I was a kid… Glad *that* idea didn’t pan out.) So far, east of the Cascades in Oregon is pretty rustic and is resistant to the progtards who try to “fix” it. (Only one Starbucks in K-Falls. Dutch Bros coffee FTW!) The former minister of our church claimed that he “was sent to do a ministry here”. Bullshit. Pay no attention to the fact that his wife’s oldest son had run into serious trouble with one of the gangs in NW Oregon; trouble enough that they were hiding from the gang. They lasted about 7 years, then moved back westside. They weren’t missed. The only new neighbor from California is quite rural himself. Sold out when he retired and is now raising chickens and donkeys, and did a short-term grazing lease for a couple dozen cattle. I think all the cattle just left yesterday. 1. d says: One of the things that helps us is Winter. People who move from lowland California sometimes get shocked at just how cold weather can be in January at 4000′. The transplants do better in southern Willamette Valley, than they do in the cold on the east side. What gets them here is rain, rain, rain, and more rain … Native Oregonian here, and I’m ready to go “it’s JUNE already!!!! Stop Raining.” There was more snow in the mountains this last storm … FWIW we think that yellow bright thing that occasionally does show up in our sky during the gray months as an UGO – unidentified glowing object. 1. RCPete says: May 30th we planted the summer squashes in the beds. June 5th we had a half inch of snow fall. And 25 F low temperatures. OTOH, the plants were fine. Still, ecch. Being used to the area, we covered the plants with 6 mil plastic draped on the hoops over the beds, with frostcloth over the plants. (And yes, the hoops over the beds are permanent; get used at least once a year.. The frostcloth gets used whenever the forecast low is below 37F. That’s frequently. The neighbors (themselves transplants from the central Oregon coast) were planning on holding off planting their garden until late this week. They’re not completely used to the area, but they are on the right track. Not sure they’ll get much before the fall freeze. They’ll learn. 1. Draven says: whats frostcloth? 2. RCPete says: unidentified glowing object I took some astronomy courses as tech electives for my BS. The Midwest is a total loss for astronomy between about October and June due to cloud cover or excessive twinkling. (I tried to measure a double star separation in December. The 12″ scope’s dome was on top of a heated building. One large smear…) One professor admitted that the University’s prize telescope would fit through the Cass hole in the Mount Palomar scope. (And he did word it that way. Ah, the ’70s!) 2. Yes. It’s Mrs. Hoyt’s FIoFO rule. Works for migrants the world over. 4. The person who comes up with a protocol that counters this would be a Godsend. I don’t think there is one– not without removing the “keep the good parts of where you came from.” Sometimes things aren’t immediately bad, or they’re only bad when combined with other stuff, or they aren’t bad at all except in a very specific situation and/or if people quit tending to them and they’re captured by twerps. 1. Yep. Because there are good parts about where you came from. But… I’m not sure that isn’t an excuse – certainly, it’s not really up to you to decide – if your new country agrees that you’re offering up something new that they like… Swell. If not. Tant pis, But good insight, 1. Not so much an excuse as an exploitable vulnerability–the new country sorts out the good thing as part of working your way to success tactic was working alright, up until the Progtards stuck a penny in the fuse slot. 1. “Exploitable vulnerability” . Excellent correction. 2. Which is why countries also need to have a say in who comes in. 5. Alpheus says: What really slays me is the fleeing immigration invari<ably tries to recreate the political culture of the first-time place. It’s so universal, I’m convinced it’s baked into human beans (That is not just “Californians” or “city folk” or “Mexicans”.) Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit has been pushing for a “Welcome Wagon” of sorts for years now, where newcomers are introduced to the culture, and why they do the things they do, and how their old culture will ruin everything it touches. I came up with the idea independently myself, mostly to target illegals, but I have neither the time, nor the resources, nor the language skills, to pull it off. I can’t help but think that these materials should be exported to would-be immigrants as well … it might just begin the process to reverse the very problems that people are trying to flee! (I think this is important for a second reason: people might not realize why they are fleeing their homeland, or even that they are fleeing their homeland; they may merely think “I love this place, but my new work is in this new place” without giving any thought as to why their new work is in that new place…) 1. The “welcome wagon” idea sounds great in theory, problem being in practice it’s run by the same folks who can’t teach their kids (if they have any) to not self-destruct. People don’t know what makes an area work– the ones most ready to impose it on folks, most of all. The one pattern I’ve been able to identify, ironically enough, is when someone tries to make a system for success, divorced from the people involved. That makes a system that will keep going and has power, sure, but at the cost of getting in the way of the people who are doing the work towards the goal, and making a system that can be captured by the very folks who made a mess in the first place. Doing the hard work involved in making an area work, and persuading people that the way you do things is better, is a lot of hard and thankless work– but it has better results than handing the refugees a hammer to make themselves comfortable! 2. weefreeirish says: Shit. Better get to working on the truck gun …. 3. RES says: What they get for selling a house in California’s over-valued real estate market will usually suffice to buy a place elsewhere and invest in significant improvements (and the hell with what havoc it wreaks on the neighborhood’s property values.) In fact, to “avoid capital gains” on sale of the house they usually believe they have to roll over all that money from sale of the old house. 1. d says: In fact, to “avoid capital gains” on sale of the house they usually believe they have to roll over all that money from sale of the old house. Well they may not be wrong … They will owe capital gains on their prior residence if: 1) Didn’t own the house for 5 years or more. 2) Did not live in the house at least 2 (more?) consecutive years of the last 5 years owned? 3) The years they weren’t living in it, converted the house to a rental. Can rent it, just can’t depreciate as rental. 4) Have exceeded life time max for house capital gains exception is$250k and single $125k. 5) Did not buy new property for more than what prior property sold for … Only if all 5 above are false can they avoid capital gains on the house sold. (I think I got all the wording correct …) 4. d says: I wonder about those who want to recreate their surf on the coast … in Oregon! I mean after all they don’t have to worry about water. Tell that to the properties that rely on Siltcoos Lake south of Florence (who regularly can’t use the water, even filtered or boiled). Or building on land basalt cliffs north of Florence. Imagine their surprise that they can cannot keep people out of their non-existent private beach (Oregon doesn’t have private beaches, can’t limit access). Then there is the actual surfing. Possible. Be sure to wear that dry suit or be prepared to freeze. Oh? Want easy access to the valley? ROFLOL … there are six (?) reliable-ish highways between I-5 and hwy 101 … the entire length of the cascades in Oregon. Portland to Astoria, Salem to Lincoln City, Corvallis to Newport/Waldport, Eugene to Florence, Drain/Roseburg to Reedsport; oops sorry only 5, Grantspass to Crescent City, CA … Oh there are other winding back roads, maybe … but … AND don’t always expect to drive 101 up or down the coast. Regular occurrence for coastal residents to have to drive to I-5, especially between Florence & Newport … slides, either onto the highway or because the hwy took a detour down to the surf … 3. They had an interview with real estate agents saying that they had managed to sell every home on their lists, no matter how weird, unfashionable, or expensive. Most of it was lockdown, but the riots helped them close faster. 2. Meh. A lot of NYT bestsellers are just books pushed by their publisher. it has nothing to do with contents. At least not in sf/f 3. Imaginos1892 says: Well. the NYT does have one use. You’ve got a parrot? 1. No but I do have large amounts of fish flesh to transport :-). Though using it under the parrot is far more symbolic. 10. RES says: Color? Who the heck cares. It correlates poorly to either intelligence or character. Back before we gave up on the public schools we were active in fighting for “gifted & talented” programs. In this state there had been recognition that being “gifted & talented” was its own form of learning disability, rendering the standard classroom intolerable (and provoking such students to become disruptive) but there was “grave concern” over the racial mix of those enrolled in the program — as if the “racial” distribution of any disability was basis for not addressing it! I found it necessary to adopt the mantra, “We aren’t concerned with the pink matter nor the black, brown or yellow matter – it’s the gray matter we’re focused on.” Sadly, some tribal thinkers cannot see past the surfaces and if somebody is getting “extras” they want them too, eve f thy derive no benefit (or even are harmed) by those “treats.” 1. Alpheus says: I’m perfectly fine with getting rid of gifted and talented programs, but on one condition: that we allow each student learn on their own pace for each subject they’re interested in. We should be doing our best to customize the learning experience to each individual. I have a funny feeling that individuals in minority groups would actually support this. Teacher’s unions, minority “advocacy” groups, and Democrat politicians, though, will be fighting this tooth and nail… 1. Confutus says: I’d be down with this, too, but it is a lot more labor intensive (especially if you’re testing and measuring along the way) than preparing the same lesson for a couple dozen plus at a time. 1. This is where computers shine– they don’t get bored going through the same less 16 times with slight variations until something “clicks.” 2. Alpheus says: I’m not convinced that this is going to be any more labor-intensive than what we do now. We currently put an insane amount of money per student to “teach” them, but much of that money goes into administration and compliance, and teachers are straight-jacketed by paperwork and questionable curriculums. I’m convinced that if we were to throw out the administration, and expect teachers, parents, and students to work out the curriculum, this will happen naturally. But this will also require the parents, teachers, and students to choose each other, and Democrats can’t permit choice! 2. RES says: Teacher’s unions, minority “advocacy” groups, and Democrat politicians, though, will be fighting this tooth and nail… Modern pedagogy is focused on teaching indoctrinating people into being obedient subjects, obedient workers, obedient clerks. This is why the logical conclusion of our schooling is the Twitter mob and Karenization of society. This is also why the “elites” — the technolords, the political leadership, the financial rulers — do not submit their offspring to public schools. AND why they’re gearing up to terminate home schoolers schooling. And yes, if anything modern technology should enable it should be individualized education. Twenty-five years ago I read about academic testing via computer, in which a computer generates a question of difficulty level 5 (scale of 1 – 10) with a correct answer causing the ext question to be difficulty level 5.5 while a wrong answer causes the next question to be at lower difficulty standard, say, 4.6. The process continues until an adequate level has been determined. We can debate the efficacy of such a system — probably less useful in evaluating understanding of History, better for basic principles of Science. But what cannot be disputed is that a quarter century later there seems to be no evidence of that system. 1. Imaginos1892 says: It seemed that some schools were headed in that direction by the mid-1970’s when computers started to appear. That is when I escaped graduated. Then in 1979 Jimmy Carter’s Department Of Education started imposing top-down conformity on the schools, and the schools imposed top-down conformity on the teachers and students. ‘Common core’ and such rot. Everybody is an equal, interchangeable widget in the Educational Establishment. Reagan made the mistake of continuing Carter’s blunder, and by the time of Bush 1 the Iron Law Of Bureaucracy had set in and made the abomination self-perpetuating. 40 years and 2 TRILLION dollars later, our schools have degenerated into leftist indoctrination mills that fail to teach reading and simple math. Any who manage to learn do so IN SPITE of ‘modern education’. ——————————— Not everybody should go to college. Some folks, you send ’em to college and you just wind up with an educated idiot, 1. RES says: John Taylor Gatto argues that it began shortly after WWII … but it took quite a while to clear the old, experienced teachers from the system. Apparently those codgers were resistant to modern methodology, clinging insanely to what they knew worked. If you haven’t read Mr. Gatto, Dumbing Us Down – The Hidden Curriculum Of Compulsory Schooling is a good entry. 1. Eric Hinkle says: Wasn’t Russell Kirk talking and warning about that as far back as the 1960’s or so? 1. I don’t know. Not that I remember. In school we were taught about the coming ice age. There were SF anthologies about the great freeze. And all the prescriptions for stopping it were the same as for stopping warming. 2. Oh, dear Lord. I need COFFEE. I read that as “Talking about warming”. And since in my view I only see one comment at a time, it took going to public view to go “EEEEK.” 2. Confutus says: I’ve been working for years on mapping knowledge with a vague notion of applying it computer assisted education. The difficulty is that everything is more or less connected to everything else and it’s a Brobdingnagian scale endeavor to get enough detail in the connections to be useful. Documenting the connections is something else again. 3. I highly recommend Yard Sale of the Mind’s essays on the making of a modern educational system. It is an eye-opener. Here’s a good one: Rereading Fichte after having read many more modern compulsory state schooling advocates, one is struck by the constant echoes of him. When, for example, William Torrey Harris recommends dark, ugly schools buildings removed from the delights of nature, the better to train children to focus on their intellectual development, he is merely echoing Fichte’s dismissal of direct experience, of the very idea of objective reality, in favor of developing in children the ability to form and be guided by subjective conceptions. Or when that Harvard woman in the news bewails the ‘evils’ of homeschooling, she is but echoing Fichte, who blames all the evils of society on the family’s role in raising their own children, and insists education is something the state must OF COURSE exclusively perform, so that mankind can progress to the next level of enlightenment. RTWT https://yardsaleofthemind.wordpress.com/2020/05/26/fichte-reread-wrap-up-we-are-the-enemy/ 4. That’s the system my brother had when he was being trained in the Navy– I think it was for the general ET (electronics tech) course. AT(avionics version), we were a small enough group– even with the AEs and Marines added in– that it was more efficient to have a fairly small group, a different teacher for each roughly two week class, and if you passed the test at the end you advanced, if you didn’t, you stayed, if you failed twice, you went back one. 3. TRX says: Had that in a couple of schools. If you finished before they wanted you to, they assigned you make-work. Because Lord forbid someone sit there reading a novel instead of being “busy.” “Not developing ‘good work eithic’ here…” 1. RES says: “Not developing ‘good work eithic’ here…” is a feature, not a bug. If bright people are also industrious just think of the social havoc which could ensue. Our schools are programmed to incentivize mediocrity, working just hard enough to get by. 4. GWB says: To achieve it, you will have to do away with age-based adulthood. That’s not a bad thing, except probably impossible in any sufficiently large community, as control devolves to easily-identifiable traits. Hence, NOT intelligence/ability. Oh, it would also get called racist, as those in one group who gained adulthood later than others (or not at all) would say it was somehow unfair. *sigh* 1. RES says: I wonder what could be done to deter government-induced adolescence … 2. Unfortunately, it seems to be a surprisingly common reaction. One of my FB friends has celiac disease, and she’s described the utter aggravation of being at a work event that includes a meal and having arranged for a gluten-free meal prepared for her, only to have one of the bigwigs come along and decide the “special” meal has to be for him, leaving her with nothing safe to eat (and no time to run out and buy a substitute, so she has to go hungry, and be famishing by the last session or two). IIRC, she finally had to start carrying an emergency food item in her purse just in case the servers couldn’t protect her meal from His Nibs. 1. I feel for your friend. Multiple allergies, so I just can’t eat work event meals. And when I’ve said that in the past and brought my own snack so I would not keel over – mind, usually a very simple snack, just some plain-cooked chicken and an apple, usually… for goodness sakes, you’d think I was eating babies in front of them. It’s nuts. 1. If they are viewing eating together as a sort of social bonding ritual, the fact that you are sharing the eating space, but not sharing the meal may well be regarded as somehow a rejection of community. It may not even be at a conscious level, which means that explaining that you need separate food for medical reasons isn’t going to change things. Intellectually they know there’s a legitimate reason, but at a gut level it still feels like a slap to see you bringing your own food and eating it there in the same space where everyone else is sharing the same food. Or it could just be the green monkey effect, that tendency to turn on anyone who is different, who sticks out in any way. 1. One from Column A, one from Column B…. Sigh. 1. Add a C– I always feel embarrassed/guilty if I can’t feed someone, even if they assure me that they’re fine, and double so if what I am able to have is good. A lot of folks blame the source of their guilt, rather than trying to fix the guilt by, you know, fixing it. (my usual work-around is to find out what they can eat, and I eat it, too– so we’re weird together) 1. Heh. My usual experience has been “Let’s all go out to a restaurant!” (Flat impossible, too many allergic possibilities, even a trace of flour in the food and I’m in trouble.) Or “I ordered pizza!” Which, again, nope. Does Not Work. 1. emily61 says: I had this all the time while I kept kosher 1. emily61 says: “I’m not rejecting your offer of fellowship, I’m just following the dictates of my religion.” 1. TRX says: Smoking was some kind of bonding ritual, at least in my area. Any time two people met, they’d have to light up. At which point I had to leave, as I’m allergic to tobacco smoke. As in “painful rash” allergic. “Oh, don’t be a wuss about it. We’ll crack a window if the smoke gets too thick.” “I brought this bag full of poison ivy leaves. You won’t object if I rub it all over you? I’m not particularly bothered by it, so you shouldn’t be either.” The smokers nearly rioted when the legislature passed the “no smoking in restaurants” law. Funny, they didn’t object to the law that barred me from hosing them with pepper spray while they were eating… 2. d says: “I brought this bag full of poison ivy leaves. You won’t object if I rub it all over you? I’m not particularly bothered by it, so you shouldn’t be either.” Never thought of that one. OTOH I am incredibly allergic to poison oak too. Pepper spray OTOH … hmmm … what do you mean it is illegal to hit smokers with it? Near riot locally too, when it went 100% non-smoking in restaurants, VS smoking/non-smoking. Now they can’t smoke even on outside patios, have to be X yards from the entrance. I am visibly affected by smoker biproduct smoke & smell (be it MJ, cigarette, cigar, or even chew). Almost instant debilitating migraine to walk into a *room that someone has smoked in, no matter how well they’ve tried to clean it up. Smoke filled room … migraine, lose the ability to think, my eyes are immediately scratchy, and uncontrolled sneezing (forget elbows). OTOH I don’t hang out with smokers, doesn’t matter if they are actively smoking or not. I can’t. The smell on their clothing … working with people that smoked was almost impossible. Outdoors I can handle it, at “social distancing”. Indoors OMG. * Ran into that at a budget hotel. We hadn’t planned on staying in a hotel. The place we stayed did put us into a designated “non-smoking” room. I opened the door. Said “nope”. Luckily the hotel had another room. This was from the smell from a smoking room 3 doors down, that was empty (no active smoker). One of the concerns I have about trading RV for hotels on trips. Why we bought new RV VS used. You can find good quality, well maintained RV’s that no one has smoked in or around. They will sell for a premium, for a used RV, they sell quickly. We weren’t quick enough. 3. I was relieved to find out that unpeeled fruit was okay for kosher. Easy and relieved the hospitality guilt. 2. scott2harrison says: That sucks. For my own edification, how common is your problem and how much is a trace. I feed people regularly and would like to know what I have to do to feed people like you safely, 1. I honestly have no idea how common my problem is. Probably not very, or we’d be seeing a rash of involuntary psych intakes every time a new Panera Bread opened up. And “a trace” = I walked in the door and got someone’s already-bagged order, and was only exposed to what I inhaled and whatever trace might have been on the bag. Wheat did not used to be a problem for me prior to the massive oil exposure of the Gulf Oil Spill. After… it’s a three-fer for me. Eaten it ended up the GI symptoms from hell, we’re talking inability to sleep for days until it was out of my system. So I stopped eating it. And then I started breaking out in a rash any time I handled flour. So I stopped doing that. You’d think that should be enough, right? Heh. Murphy. Inhaled… well, short version, a couple of hours later if I hadn’t had someone to point out my mental state was very bad indeed, I’m not sure what would have happened. As it was a dose of antihistamine was able to bounce my mental state back up to, “oh, Black Dog attack of depression, ugh.” Yeah. It was that bad. I really do not care how cross-eyed people look at me for what I won’t eat. Nothing is worth that! 2. I have a low-saturated fat, low-sodium, vegan, glucose and gluten free treat (White bean hummus with garlic and fresh rosemary) that I bring to group events and *only* to group events, so it’s special. It’s delicious 😋 – I could eat the whole bowl in one go. 1. TRX says: A couple of decades ago I would have jumped on that. But garlic and I no longer get along. Which is freaking annoying; we used to have a garlic shaker on the table with salt and red pepper… 1. Darn. Coffee and I are working on a détente which may not last. Garlic would be really tough, too. 2. Small events? I ask, because I just realized that one of my mom’s organization tricks may have been based on that– she always had at least one in twenty meals is an extra, and at least one extra of any “special” meal. (The whining at home when she ended up eating the vegan meal, and the person who’d demanded a vegan meal ate one of the normal ones!) Of course, if the big-wigs are that kind of classless jerk, they probably don’t allow any extra meals, and the folks serving the meals probably don’t eat. 3. I have a couple of friends/coworkers that have various food issues. Having events for everyone is sometimes a struggle. Especially if we go someplace to eat and they order something advertised as being made a certain way, only to find out a couple of bites in that it wasn’t. Yeah, you may be slapping on gluten free tag on stuff because it’s trendy and many of the people ordering really don’t need it. But for those who do it’s a matter of being a functional person or not, sometimes life or death 1. *Shudders* I don’t even walk into a Panera Bread anymore. Inhaled flour. Fortunately I was on-line with someone a few hours later when it really kicked in, and my chat responses scared them enough I realized I needed to grab an antihistamine, stat. Trendy my… foot. I came too close to death just by picking up someone else’s order. Gah. 1. RCPete says: We have three restaurants in town that we are willing to go to. I discovered that the custom sauces at the taqueria were iffy; some cooks used corn starch, while others use flour. In my case it’s severe intolerance; 30-36 hours after ingestion (made it fun to figure out), and my GI system evicts all contents. Haven’t had a large dose in a long time, and plan to keep it that way; usually takes a week to finish clearing. First time, I spent 4 days in the hospital. Nope, not gonna. 2. d says: rder something advertised as being made a certain way, only to find out a couple of bites in that it wasn’t. Service dogs can be trained for food allergen detection. It is that critical for some. Name another reliable method to detect? One testimonial I read was someone who was assured that there was no cross contamination, guaranteed. Her SD detected one of the allergens in the meal. She refused it. They tried to argue with her. Her response. “If I eat that, you Will Be Calling Life Flight …” She ate what she brought from home. (I forget the function but it was something that involved company bonding at a specific specialized event.) 3. 23 and me says I have celiac disease. I don’t have any of the standard symptoms, but carbs make my eczema go nuts, and a lot of them have gluten or I have gluten with them… I haven’t bothered to check if it tracks, because most of the time I just DON’T have carbs. 4. RCPete says: Thoughts of an ADA complaint come to mind. Most of$SPOUSE’s family is celiac or so close to be equivalent, and my gluten issues mean I have to watch food content like a hawk. ($SPOUSE tries to stay away from the bread aisle in the grocery store, and as far away from the inset bakery as possible.) If I get called out on it, I just say that I’d rather live. That (and my large, tall bulk) tends to make most Karens shut up. 5. Mary says: That’s a violation of ADA. 1. RCPete says: Dewey, Cheatem and Howe would be thrilled to litigate a case like that. Hell, even honest lawyers (don’t laugh, they exist. Somewhere) would take a case like that. (Somewhere in Cali, there was a wheelchair-bound guy who made a lucrative living shaking down and suing merchants for ADA violations. Not sure if he ever had a close encounter with Bruno and his magic baseball bat.) 1. Alpheus says: While there’s a time and a place for it, I’m not thrilled with the idea of resorting to enforcing the ADA. The Heavy Hand of Government has its own issues. What’s worse, sometimes the shake-downs are of compliant people who can’t afford to fight the allegations in court … 1. Mary says: The shake-downs aren’t going to end because people with legitimate cases don’t pursue them. 11. I’m tired of being told that sins long past are my fault. That our history is “problematic” (which is a word that if I wasn’t going to wreck my writing/wanking hand and get arrested for multiple cases of assault, I would slap silly anyone that uses it), because the people in power and charge in the United States were…well, white males. Most places that have “history” beyond an oral tradition tend to have a lot of…guess what? White males. Because we actually preserve our history, and don’t (usually) burn it because we have somebody new in power. Was slavery a blot on American history? Yes, especially since a lot of it’s advocates wanted to bring the “gentleman farmer” British-type nobility here and lacked a handy supply of decent serfs. And, if you wanted to make the lands in those area profitable, you needed extremely cheap long-term labor. I remember this one big example, very close to the Civil War, when a planter was hiring just-off-the-corpse-ships Irishimen to clean out and drain a swamp at literally a dime a dozen. We’re talking malarial swamps here-the planter wasn’t going to risk his slaves in that area, they were a capital investment item! Irish right off the boats? Who cared? If they died before payday, you even saved money. But, slavery wasn’t America’s original sin. It wasn’t good, but there are historical forms of slavery and versions of slavery happening now that are pretty terrible. We’ve had nearly fifty+ years of “investing in the community” and I think most black people are in worse shape now than then. I am not a rapist. I am not a potential rapist. I will not apologize for being male. I am not racist. But, at the rate things are going, I might as well be one, because there’s no reason not to be. I’m tired of the double and triple and quadruple-think. Transgender people are not their biological sex, so MTF transsexuals won’t have periods and they will have the advantage of growing up with male hormones strengthening their bones and muscles. Men and women are different-not out of maliciousness, just that they are different. Insulting your core fanbase is going to make them go away. We go to sports games to come together to watch something, not be lectured and told we are garbage human beings. The Great Correction to fix this is not going to be pleasant. Unless Trump rapes a goat on live TV, he’s probably going to win, because any other candidate is going to be seen as getting us into this mess in the first place. Leftists will stroke out, and we’ll see more “truth to power” riots soon after. And then…it gets messy. My only consolation-the post-election “Jonathan Pie” episode is going to be hilarious. 1. RES says: We’ve had nearly fifty+ years of “investing in the community” and I think most black people are in worse shape now than then. But (as we have seen in such enlightened polities as Cuba, Venezuela and elsewhere) the “authentic” representatives of The Oppressed People of This Nation have done extremely well indeed. As Eric Hoffer noted, well before LBJ initiated America’s Great Effort to Address the Wrongs of Racism, “Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.” Personally, I think Hoffer was unreasonably optimistic about the beginnings. 1. And, don’t forget the Iron Law of Bureaucracy. An organization created for a purpose will keep trying to do it’s purpose until it’s ended. 1. RES says: I thought the Iron Law of Bureaucracy was: An organization will keep trying to grow it’s budget until it’s ended. 1. Alpheus says: Indeed: over time, those who are concerned by the goals of a given bureaucracy will come to be replaced by people whose goal is the perpetuation of the bureaucracy itself. 2. Point out that the American Indians practiced slavery, among other things. Point out that they used chemical warfare and sneak attacks – before 1492. Watch heads explode. 1. Cites? Not doubting you, I can remember some of this when I studied history. And, the American Indians were very much “raider” military versus Western “shock” military. 1. LeBlanc Steven A. _Prehistoric Warfare in the American Southwest_; _Constant Battles_ Kavanaugh, Thomas _The Comanches_ Keeley, Lawrence H. _War Before Civilization_ (a global account) Start with LeBlanc, and then you can branch out. I’d have to go digging through my dissertation notes for all the article references about preColumbian slavery practices. 2. RCPete says: I’m told that the Modocs were slavers, with the Klamath as the slaves. Lumping them together was one of the causes behind the Modoc Indian war. (1872-3) Present day, the Klamath have the upper hand politically, which means the Modocs are ticked off, but the Klamath get their licks in too. It’s mostly lawfare (Modoc vs Klamath on tribal governance, Klamath vs White Oppressors with water law and the endangered species act as weapons.) 3. TRX says: > Was slavery a blot on American history? Yes, Now give me some examples of nations predating 1789, that never had slavery. Not gave it up, never had it in the first place. Slavery was part of the established order of human civilization. It wasn’t until the Industrial Revolution that societies could get wealthy enough to give up slavery. And some societies still couldn’t manage it. Note that the USSR, despite the most modern and advanced socialist economic planning, sourced about 30% of its GNP from slave labor, all the way from its founding to its dissolution in 1992. The gulags were the hard backbone of the Soviet economy; “produce or die” guaranteed some measure of output no matter how crazy the commissars at the other side of the country got with their economic theories. 1. RES says: They usually sidestep that by pointing out that in America slavery was racial. Presumably they’re okay with slavery as a general practice (given the economic systems they endorse they would have to be) it is the selective practice of it they deplore. One can only conclude that enslaving entire nations is perfectly fine by them. 1. Slavery was always about the distinguishing characteristic. I swear half of my peninsular ancestors spent all of the Moorish occupation enslaving each other. Because of the slave-taking along the borders, particularly of women, by the end of it the Moorish lords might be mostly Frankish and blond and blue eyed…. In the same way, in America, race can be mighty fluid. So about race is…. meh. more notional than not. 2. Take the irreverend Wright. Not only is he lighter than a lot of my family, he looks more European than half of them. 1. RES says: In the Dred Scott Decision, issued March 6, 1857, Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, of the United States Supreme Court, declared that “The negro has no rights which the white man is bound to respect.” In some ways that was the igniter for the War of Southern Secession as it denied the rights of Free Blacks. Taney was appointed by President Jackson* to succeed John Marshall on the Supreme Court as Chief Justice. *Jackson’s high regard for the Supreme Court is well known — “John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it.” — and perhaps best expressed in his response to Marshall’s ruling in Worcester v.Georgia, which struck down a Georgia law that imposed regulations on the comings and goings of white people in Native American land. So we must recognize some degree of formal recognition of race slavery … but that ought be tempered by consideration of how they defined racial identity in those times. 1. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard says: IIRC the Worcester v. Georgia case basically involved the superiority of the Federal Government over State Governments involving dealings with Foreign Nations. IE The Federal Government could regulate the Actions of American Citizens in Foreign Territories (the various Indian tribes were seen as Foreign Nations) but the State Governments could not. Oh, Marshall didn’t have to enforce his decision as the Georgia State Government accepted his decision. 😉 12. Mike N says: What we are seeing now is the reason that membership in the US communist party was made a federal crime . As I believe that law is still on the books, AG Barr should institute a vigorous revisiting of that law and introduce these trust fund comrades to the gulag they intend for the rest of us. Also Black Labs matter 1. junior says: AFAIK, membership is not. Or, at least, after HUAC’s public relations fiasco, it’s unlikely that a jury would convict. But you’re not allowed to be a Communist and a member of the military, which is how they got rid of the idiot West Point cadet a few years back. 1. TRX says: I bet they’re working on “fixing” that… if they haven’t already. 13. The party of fraud tends to have a lock on the vote and be able to experiment with their terror techniques and such brand new ideas as a Committee of Public Safety instead of the police. Oh, Sarah, only a dishonest right-wing troll would claim that people who go around chanting, “Abolish the police,” post “Abolish the police” on all their online accounts, and shame people who say that they won’t “abolish the police” actually want to abolish the police. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of critical race theory would know its much more complicated than that. No, I won’t tell you what it actually means. It’s not my job to educate the white women; Google it yourself. \end{left-wingTrolling} In all seriousness, I have read a couple of the “here’s what ‘abolish the police’ means,” and I will say that the ideas therein are not as stupid as the slogan, but that’s only because the slogan set the bar so high. Thinking that this sort of thing could work requires not only ignoring everything we’ve learned about crime since the 90s but believing that “Poverty causes crime” is not merely a general trend but an iron law of physics. 1. weefreeirish says: Considering at least in Moron-neapolis it’s going to be “community led” or “community driven” – whatever the feck that means. It’s inviting Hengist and Horsa to afternoon tea and assuming that because you’re having tea, they shan’t steal the silver and pillage the maids… 1. Reziac says: Consider: absent police, there’s nothing to put the brakes on vigilante action. Which would be a damn sight better policing than what some cities presently have. I expect (once they bust/buy off the police union and ‘repurpose’ that budget to ‘social justice’ departments) it’ll quickly become: — Protection rackets run by gangs, in pretty much the same gang territories as now, and — Enclaves vigorously policed by large, stern-faced, and well-armed males (some of ’em former cops) where you can’t come in unless someone vouches for you (in the sense of also being held responsible if their guest commits a crime). Either way, the politicos won’t notice, since they already reside in gated enclaves protected by private security. 1. RES says: Nicole Gelinas, at the NY Post Monday: ‘Defund the police’ politicians are utter fakes … So what’s the big plan? Kallos proposes$1 billion in cuts, over four years. Across a $10 billion annual police budget, that’s$250 million a year, or less than 3 percent. Others propose $1 billion a year — still only 10 percent. And despite all the over-the-top rhetoric, the actual ideas are pretty trivial. [SNIP] There’s lots of bloat in the NYPD — just as in all New York City departments. The department has 1,700 more civilians than it did when Mayor Bill de Blasio took office, nearly 18,000. That’s nearly one civilian for every two cops. The council won’t say a peep about the pension and health-benefit costs that make up nearly half of the police department’s budget, including nearly$3 billion in annual pension costs.

You’d think if we’re gonna burn everything down, these revolutionaries would at least consider whether a different pension structure would attract a different officer. The devil’s bargain a lot of cops make is: It’s a rough job, but after 22 years, I’m out, and I can start a second career in my 40s.

So maybe switch to a 401k-style benefit rather than a guaranteed pension, and attract people who want to do the job for just a few years before moving on to law school, like Teach for America.

Nope. #DefundNYPD, sure, but don’t touch cops’ gold-plated pensions.

In fact, the council well knows it can’t do much to match its rhetoric. Any intimation of pay tied to merit will alienate other unions. As will any real efforts to reform discipline. The teachers’ union well knows that if you can fire a cop who doesn’t fit the job, even if he hasn’t broken the law, you can fire a teacher for the same reason. Discretionary management and powerful unions don’t mix. …

1. Chrismouse says:

This really gets into fun when your realize that public sector unions’ insistence on these kinds of pension benefits are a large part of why so many Democrat cities and states have budget issues. But unions as an unalloyed and self-evident good are an article of faith in Democrat ideology.

2. Cardshark says:

It means that you will need to go to Don Corleone, Tony Soprano, or whoever else is running the local neighborhood protection racket.

1. weefreeirish says:

As long as it ain’t Whitey Bulger…

2. RES says:

Defund the police? Here’s what that really means.
By Christy E. Lopez
Christy E. Lopez is a professor at Georgetown Law School and a co-director of the school’s Innovative Policing Program.
… Be not afraid. “Defunding the police” is not as scary (or even as radical) as it sounds, and engaging on this topic is necessary if we are going to achieve the kind of public safety we need. During my 25 years dedicated to police reform, including in places such as Ferguson, Mo., New Orleans and Chicago, it has become clear to me that “reform” is not enough. Making sure that police follow the rule of law is not enough. Even changing the laws is not enough.

To fix policing, we must first recognize how much we have come to over-rely on law enforcement. We turn to the police in situations where years of experience and common sense tell us that their involvement is unnecessary, and can make things worse. We ask police to take accident reports, respond to people who have overdosed and arrest, rather than cite, people who might have intentionally or not passed a counterfeit $20 bill. We call police to roust homeless people from corners and doorsteps, resolve verbal squabbles between family members and strangers alike, and arrest children for behavior that once would have been handled as a school disciplinary issue. Police themselves often complain about having to “do too much,” including handling social problems for which they are ill-equipped. Some have been vocal about the need to decriminalize social problems and take police out of the equation. It is clear that we must reimagine the role they play in public safety. Defunding and abolition probably mean something different from what you are thinking. For most proponents, “defunding the police” does not mean zeroing out budgets for public safety, and police abolition does not mean that police will disappear overnight — or perhaps ever. Defunding the police means shrinking the scope of police responsibilities and shifting most of what government does to keep us safe to entities that are better equipped to meet that need. It means investing more in mental-health care and housing, and expanding the use of community mediation and violence interruption programs. Police abolition means reducing, with the vision of eventually eliminating, our reliance on policing to secure our public safety. It means recognizing that criminalizing addiction and poverty, making 10 million arrests per year and mass incarceration have not provided the public safety we want and never will. The “abolition” language is important because it reminds us that policing has been the primary vehicle for using violence to perpetuate the unjustified white control over the bodies and lives of black people that has been with us since slavery. That aspect of policing must be literally abolished. Still, even as we try to shift resources from policing to programs that will better promote fairness and public safety, we must continue the work of police reform. We cannot stop regulating police conduct now because we hope someday to reduce or eliminate our reliance on policing. We must ban chokeholds and curb the use of no-knock warrants; we must train officers how to better respond to people in mental health crises, and we must teach officers to be guardians, not warriors, to intervene to prevent misconduct and to understand and appreciate the communities they serve. Why must we work on parallel tracks? First, all police will not be defunded or abolished anytime soon, and we cannot wait to make changes that will save lives and reduce policing harm now. Experienced advocates know this. This is why, for example, Campaign Zero just launched the #8cantwait campaign, which urges law enforcement agencies to immediately adopt eight use of force reforms, even as it continues its divest/invest strategy to end police killings. More fundamentally, we must continue with reforms because abolition doesn’t go far enough. Policing didn’t invent America’s institutionalized racism, social inequity or stereotyped masculinity: Policing harms are a product of these broader pathologies. If we were to get rid of policing tomorrow, those pathologies would remain. And they would continue to be deadly: Race bias in our health-care system has likely killed far more African Americans and Latinx via covid-19 than the police have this year. Successful police reforms help us learn how to identify and mitigate the harms of these structural features, even as we work to remake them. In this moment, we have a chance to make not just policing, but our entire country, fairer and safer. We must think creatively and educate ourselves. We must ask hard questions and demand answers about public safety budgets. We should have unflinching debates about when, where and how to seek police reforms instead of defunding. But we should move forward on both tracks so that we can save lives even as we transform the police. 1. RES says: If you think you see enough loopholes in this argument to drive a division of Abrams tanks through you are not wrong. But be comforted — their proposals have already demonstrated their effectiveness in Chicago and elsewhere. 2. Confutus says: And here I thought “abolish the police” meant something like “abolish slavery”, i.e. get rid of it entirely. I don’t doubt that criminals of various stripes love the idea. Nor do I doubt that politicians in our major cities are so accustomed to at least tacitly ignoring gang crime (In Chicago, what else did you expect?) that they don’t trust their own law enforcement, or any substitutes, either. But abject surrender does NOTHING for the law-abiding nonviolent population of the cities. 3. kenashimame says: Let’s be honest; there’s not going to be any significant defunding of the police, because municipalities – especially progressive municipalities – depend on the sweet, sweet revenue stream coming from fines and asset forfeitures generated by law enforcement. Not to mention how many police union dollars make it into the campaign accounts of Team Blue politicians. 1. Minneapolis already did: voted to completely disband the city’s police force yesterday. 1. RES says: Do you suppose they also revoked all the city’s laws while they were at it? 2. junior says: The City of Los Angeles already announced a very large sum of money (can’t remember the amount off the top of my head) that it was moving from the police to black organizations. 1. weefreeirish says: My first thought was: “Why does the City of Los Angeles have it’s own wetwork organization”? And then my brain caught up to reality…. 1. Imaginos1892 says: You saw that as ‘black operations’ the first time too? Maybe they’re trying to infiltrate and overthrow Bakersfield. 😀 If your brain catches up to reality it will leave all of the leftists behind. 2. RES says: The City of Los Angeles has a very large budget. While the amount named was large ($1.5B IIRC) the article I read on it claimed that was merely the intended increase in the police budget in the coming year.

Of course, the article could have been wrong, my memory could be wrong, both could be wrong or neither could be wrong. I offer no guarantees.

4. FlyingMike says:

So what the good “Distinguished Visitor from Practice” at Georgetown Law is saying is “Don’t worry, this sloganeering is just for the rubes, all you normals should just relax, sit back in quarantine, and Trust The Experts From Adaceme!” not “Please, I’m on your side, don’t put me up against the same wall as the popo when the revolution comes.”

Since the latter does not ever work, I’m sure she rilly rilly believes she is saying the former.

1. FlyingMike says:

Hah – shouldabeen: “Trust The Experts From Academe!”

1. Reziac says:

“Professor Lopez is licensed to practice law in Washington DC and California.”

All is explained!

5. tcbobg says:

” . . . police abolition does not mean that police will disappear overnight — or perhaps ever.”

Um, Yes, it does.

6. Evenstar says:

I’m pretty sure I lost brain cells reading that.

1. Imaginos1892 says:

Maybe they committed suicide? :-O

3. Actually I SUSPECT absent propagandizing of the poor it’s not even a general trend 😉

4. Reziac says:

Speaking of voting fraud… listen to Newt Gingrich’s podcast this week. Guest speaks about voting fraud methods, and notes that Iowa’s voter rolls are about 40% bogus. Which might explain why it’s an early battleground state (gearing up to see how much fraud is needed). And consider if that’s typical for other states and if even, say, half the bogus voters are used for fraud… when did a Democrat last genuinely win an election??

1. 2/3 of votes in Denver we’re fraudulent in 2008. But they won and saddled us with fraud by mail

2. RES says:

The appropriate response to Democrat assertions that “There is NO voter fraud” involves rolling on the floor laughing. There is no need to refute the statement because there is no more evidence of its validity than there is for the Easter Bunny.

Such claims merit naught but ridicule and demands the claimant “pull the other one.”

3. junior says:

Iowa’s an early battleground state because the first votes in the nomination race are held there. And iirc, there’s a state law that mandates that Iowa *must* go first (adjusting its vote date if necessary).

1. RES says:

Its caucus system is also anti-democratic. Awarding delegates according to who can show up at the caucus and stay until the decision is reached suppresses the votes of those folk who have jobs or children requiring them to be home at a decent hour.

14. njc says:

The Constitution says that Congress shall ensure that all states have a republican form of government. The Supreme Court has decided otherwise, holding that representing the different regions of a state in the state legislature or other body (e.g. the NYC Board of Estimate) violated the Fourteenth Amendment. Dates, etc, start on the WikiP NYC Board of Estimate article.

The decision that started it was almost as damaging at the direct election of senators.

1. Alpheus says:

Almost? The dominance of cities in State politics is probably the *worst* thing that has happened to the Republic.

It doesn’t matter if the State Legislature appoints the Senators, or if they are elected by the People of the State: either way, so long as the Cities dominate, the Cities will dominate the Senate.

15. BobtheRegisterredFool says:

A democracy is three wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner.

Or, to be possibly more obnoxious, eight voting over whether one is human and deserves a vote. Or eight voting on whether one or four to five are evil, and beyond the bounds of what can be tolerated in a civil society.

Republics are great, and democracies suck.

People cannot plausibly argue that the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments are set in stone, but the other amendments, and the rest of the constitution, are negotiable.

1. Christopher M. Chupik says:

Lynch mobs are very democratic.

1. BobtheRegisterredFool says:

Lynch mobs are the very essence of democracy.

1. emily61 says:

The US is a Constitutional Republic not a democracy. Or it was anyway.

16. Bob says:

Man’s timid heart is bursting with the things he must not say…

1. Christopher M. Chupik says:

Never more than now.

17. A democracy is three wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner.

Which tells me blacks would never want the US, especially it is as claimed to be inherently racist against them to ever be a democracy.

Then again, given how well the “allies” of blacks have become at recruiting for the Alt-Right, they really could regret a democracy, and the “allies” even more. All those white people kneeing on video better hope their LARPing fight white supremacists remains LARPing and never becomes real. When race wars come, people often take out those they consider race traitors in their own race first and you’ve been happily self-identifying.

1. FlyingMike says:

Yep – the last thing any group that makes up only 13.4% of the population should want is true democracy.

1. RES says:

People who don’t vote in support of their agenda are obviously racist — and racists should not be allowed a democratic voice.

So they would have no problem with responsible democracy.

2. Rwanda comes to mind unfortunately. I was horrified when it was shown on the news. I cried reading the first hand accounts later.

3. junior says:

I’ve heard that many blacks -who were largely raised in urban areas with a large black population – have trouble grasping that there are huge parts of the country where they barely exist. And when they do visit those areas for the first time, it often causes a sort of mental break.

Given that, the would-be revolutionaries probably don’t quite grasp just how outnumbered they are. They see the numbers, but they stick with the perceptions that they have in their daily lives.

1. Yep, in the Navy every now and then you’d get an urban black who got stationed to somewhere like Groton, CT who accused the locals of hiding all the black people.

One Minneapolis rioter said on TV something along the lines of “we’re going to get 2 of you for every 1 of us and we out number you 10 to 1”. That gentleman gets his race war, he’ll learn how bad his math is.

1. Sounds like one of those Bright Young Men who graduate high school struggling to read street signs and thinking a quarter pounder is larger than a half pounder.

So many of these people are such idiots, it is really quite amazing. That fact alone is the single best argument against the unionization of teachers that one can make. Just look at their results.

I would offer that the death of George Floyd is the single best argument against the unionization of police. I actually have some sympathy for the “ban the police” argument, but I think they are off target. What they really want is to ban the police union. That would get rid of more than half the bullshit in one stroke.

But they’ll never get that, because they’re Progs who can’t understand fractions and can’t read.

1. In the defense of the American Consumer– the “thought a quarter pounder was bigger than a half pounder” story was an executive’s memory of one guy from one focus group, years before, told at a gab-event.

Assuming it happened at all, there’s a good chance that either the exec misunderstood the complaint, or that the other burger actually was bigger– very easy to manage with different amounts of water and fat in the beef combined with different shapes of patty, plus different shaped buns and for that matter the stuff that is ON the burger.

It’s like how the family size crunchy cheetoes is a bigger bag than the normal sized cheeto puffs, even though the physical bag sizes have the puffs being a bigger bag.

1. Ah, isn’t context amazing? Context that was completely missing from the account I read. I’m much relieved to hear that.

1. Amen!

What I love about the internet is that it’s possible to find this stuff– although it was pure luck that the book where the guy’s comment was quoted was available online.

Thirty years ago? We’d both be in the telephone game, where someone who read that story used a version in their article which a third person talked about which is… well, exactly the way you heard it.

Now, you remember that the exact same stuff happens elsewhere, like in religious research and stuff, and suddenly the way a lot of folks are going utterly insane makes a bit more sense…..

2. Not to mention they keep hearing “minority majority” thinking it has already happened and that all minorities are either black or will fight with blacks.

1. FlyingMike says:

Yep – “Black or African American alone” at 13.4% is the top actual “race” minority, while Hispanic or Latino, which as the census note says “can be any race” and so overlaps with the “race” categories, is larger at 18.3% – but “White alone, not Hispanic or Latino”, which is the narrowest formulation of caucasians, is at 60.4%.

So the math says that rioter fellow on vid is mathematically mistaken.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045219

1. FlyingMike says:

I also note that Our Beloved Hostess does apparently not qualify as hispanic per the official Census popup note’s omission of the Portuguese (at the link above click on the little circle-i just to the left of “Hispanic or Latino, percent”):

Hispanics or Latino refers to a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race. This includes people who reported detailed Hispanic or Latino groups such as:
•Mexican
•Puerto Rican
•Cuban
•Dominican Republic
Central American (excludes Mexican)
•Costa Rican
•Guatemalan
•Honduran
•Nicaraguan
•Panamanian
•Other Central American
South American
•Argentinian
•Bolivian
•Chilean
•Colombian
•Paraguayan
•Peruvian
•Uruguayan
•Venezuelan
•Other South American

Spaniard
•All other Hispanic or Latino

Origin can be viewed as the heritage, nationality group, lineage, or country of birth of the person or the person’s parents or ancestors before their arrival in the United States.

Data users should be aware of methodology differences that may exist between different data sources.

1. BUT the state department considers us Latin.
Also I’m more Spanish than Portuguese, genetically, not that I GABRA.

1. RES says:

I am inclined to think of you (and Larry) as Iberian-American.

Emphasis on the post-hyphen term. Those who put their emphasis on the term before the hyphen are not, in my mind, American.

2. Didn’t Kirk have a long story, about when he was on a funeral detachment for an Army veteran burial, away out in rural Oregon/Washington, with a couple of young black troops who were absolutely baffled at the absence of a black population in the sticks, and had to be brutally disillusioned by the senior NCOIC – also black, but from the Caribbean.

1. Yes. It took an all-night session with a bag of M&Ms to get across the idea that while blacks might be the majority in one city or part of a state, the same was not true in the entire country. It left the troopers exceedingly dazed, to put it mildly.

2. Yep, I seem to remember that one as well.

18. Several generations in a row progressively (pun fully intended) disconnected from their “roots”*, and then told that everything about them and what is around them is the purest evil. We should not be surprised or particularly upset to find them shrieking in barely disguised terror and hatred.

We should be afraid of why so few are doing it audibly.

* “roots” in quotes, because I do not understand the value of “roots” either. But when people describe the rootless, it fits the lunacy that we see like a fitted glove.

1. Holly says:

Ian,
Roots are family culture, as I see it. We eat pulla on Christmas and puf-puf with groundnut stew, and we don’t hit first but we always hit last, and we don’t point firearms at things we don’t mean to kill, and when we work we work hard, and when we play we play. And that’s how our grandparents did it so that’s how we do it. And when our ancestors fought in the Revolutionary War, well, they didn’t eat those things, but they hit last and they shot the things they pointed their firearms at and they worked hard.

1. *blank look of incomprehension*

Some people had to get as far away from their roots as possible. But it doesn’t leave much for the next generation to work with.

1. BobtheRegisterredFool says:

Generations are not homogeneous, and births are not evenly distributed among all intellectual flavors found within a generation.

In particular, my circles include too many Christian homeschooling many children families to let myself go full doomer on ‘but the public schools’…

I know the shit I was raised on, and saw a little of my cohort figuring out things were wonky.

19. Christopher M. Chupik says:

“That would be a stupid thing to fight for, and as all other collectivist bullshit the left has tried to push on them.”

And that’s what so many of our problems boil down to: collectivism. The belief that everyone in a certain group is a devil or saint? Collectivism. Punishing entire groups for the sins of a few? Collectivism. And now the Left, seeing the havoc their collectivism has wrought decrees that the solution is . . . more collectivism.

I wish I could laugh.

1. Cardshark says:

The left would joyfully shout “assimilate me” if the Borg came and announced that they were here to assimilate the Earth and join it to the Borg collective.

1. Well, yeah. Think of all the people who say Childhood’s End is their favorite book, and that Magneto had a point.

20. Cardshark says:

There is a reason why I have been calling what is going on Mao’s Cultural Revolution Redux and warning of its moving from the campuses to society at large, as was intended by the left. We are now seeing the walks of shame, the struggle sessions, the efforts to signal conformance to orthodoxy, etc., with even the slightest deviation subject to punishment. You see its pervasiveness in the fecklessness of corporations that try to outdo each other in enthusiasm for the “glorious revolution”. Whether out of fear or agreement (and we know that so much of compliance in Mao’s China, Stalin’s Soviet Union, etc., is out of fear) they are helping advance the Cultural Revolution Redux.

he Democrats/left knows that stoking fear and chaos helps them in this task, and we see they feel confident enough to take the masks off as to this.

I fully expect that if they win that in their campaign to purge thought-crime, not only will they seek to ban speech they don’t like from social media, etc., they will seek power of surveillance over phone calls and emails for the purpose of “rooting out hate speech”. If you don’t think they will go this far, you haven’t been paying attention.

1. I fully expect that if they win

If.

1. It will be ya’ll’s problem. I’ll be dead of a bullet to the back of the head within a week.

1. I hope not: make ’em work for it and send a bunch of their buddies on ahead of you first.

That’s my plan: bad knees (and ankles, and hips, and back – thanks, Lyme Disease) mean I can’t run when they come for me. But I ain’t gettin’ on no boxcar.

1. emily61 says:

Me either!

2. RES says:

Feeling suicidal, are you?

1. She found out some stuff about Hillary! Clinton.

3. TRX says:

Enough rats can take anyone down. But I would be seriously disappointed if you weren’t ankle-deep in empty brass.

1. Yeah, this is where I live. I may not win, but I really hope to make them WORK for it. The Scots berserker is not far from the surface in a lot of us here in rural Ontario.

4. Draven says:

nuh uh! *insert complex joke about that not being what the usaian histories say in the future*

2. RES says:

I fully expect that whether or not they win.

If Trump wins and the GOP takes both Houses I expect it to be attributed to voter suppression, voter fraud and foreign* collusion. Remember, the Arrow of History points up their butts.

*To these folk, Heaven is a foreign power.

1. Cardshark says:

To these folks, the USA is a foreign power that is preventing them from imposing their desired Marxist “people’s republic”, i.e. a totalitarian socialist state. They view anyone who speaks positively of the USA, the Constitution, rule of law, liberty, etc., as literally “The Enemy”

2. FlyingMike says:

seek power of surveillance over phone calls and emails

I don’t even own a tinfoil hat, but looking at the admitted capabilities and standard practices coming out in connection with the Flynn case anyone who thinks this degree of surveillance is not already in place is the one not paying attention.

Going from terrorism to anything else is just a matter of the keyword files used to tell the supercomputers what to go look for in all those gazillions of intercepted conversations. This was apparently Snowden’s job – listening to calls that the system had flagged and deciding if they would get kicked to a higher level.

So right now, to apply classical threat assessment, the capabilities are fully in place and operational, but we’re counting on the intent not being there as a final barrier.

And when those keyword files were in the hands of Team Soetoro, it appears those barriers were a bit under-exercised.

1. When it came out that merely visiting a Linux news site was enough to get “on the list”, and that the reason was because they needed some excuse and the goal was to spy on everyone I ceased caring about what the spymaster might think.

Of course they know more about me than I’d like. Whether they can use it is another matter. And I see no reason to cower in fear about it.

1. d says:

Of course they know more about me than I’d like. Whether they can use it is another matter. And I see no reason to cower in fear about it.

As my husband often quotes “Welcome to my world.” We’ve been married almost 42 years, living together since our engagement, exactly 42 years. He still hasn’t figured me out. Heck I haven’t figured me out. 🙂 I doubt the spymaster can figure me out either. Or cares.

It isn’t like I’m particularly flighty. I wrote software for 35 years. Software that others could also work on & maintain. That takes logic. (OTOH I’ve been told my coding style is, uh, distinctively identifiable …) My husband just rolls his eyes.

3. Ike says:

NSA already has the “power of surveillance over phone calls and emails” and much of every other form of electronic communication across the U.S. and the world. Why do you think those FISA warrants are so pernicious? The search has already been conducted and the products of it are awaiting anyone with the technical ability to access it to do so. That’s why the data base searches are phrased the way they are: they are searching an already- existing data base of intercepted communications.

21. There are an awful lot of people who are liars or extremely mal-educated. Frankly, I’m not sure which is worse. On the one hand you have people that actively want others to suffer pain and an early death. On the other, you have people who are ostensibly adults that can’t reason their way out of a knee high corn maze. Well, I guess the latter you could eventually separate out those who are just ignorant from those who wish to remain ignorant.

1. RES says:

Embrace the power of AND.

There are an awful lot of people who are liars and/or extremely mal-educated.

2. TRX says:

“When you live a lie, Truth is your enemy.”
— RES, accordingtohoyt.com 06/12/17

1. RES says:

Wot? I said something that pithy and on the mark?

Hard to believe, hard to believe. I guess there’s a chance that a thousand wallabies typing might yet produce the complete works of Spillane.

1. TRX says:

Be careful what you say, it may come back to haunt you…

I snip quotable comments and save them to a file.

A few more:

Fundamental Rule of Life:
You cannot correct a problem you do not recognize you have.
— RES, January 8, 2017 at accordingtohoyt

“Star Trek likes to pretend it loves science, but it really just sort of
smears itself with science jelly as a sort of mating ritual.”
— Joshua M. Young, superversivesf.com 12/26/2017

“Experts seem to be divided into two types: those who know a lot of things;
and those who think deeply about what they know.”
— Cassandra, schneier.com, January 9, 2018

[on American cultural appropriation]
“There are cultures we do not appropriate. Ponder how worthless they must be.”
— Orvan Taurus, accordingtohoyt, 12/22/17

“A serious accident is one that money can’t fix.”
— sandman2234, on bbs.homeshopmachinist.net

Newold1: “Can’t fix stupid.”
ProPower engines: “No, but you can repeatedly invoice it.”
— Speedtalk.com, Apr 17, 2018

“Go do nothing somewhere else!”
— President Donald Trump to the members of Congress, 06/24/2018

“I’ve long said that capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without Hell.”
— USAF Colonel Frank Borman, astronaut

“Stupid friends are dangerous.”
— John Farnam, arms instructor

“It was far easier for you as civilised men to behave like barbarians, than it was for them as barbarians to behave like civilised men.”
— Spock, Star Trek “Mirror, Mirror”

“There are different kinds of freedom, and different kinds of imprisonment.”
— Jeff Duntemann, contrapositivediary.com 03/27/2019

“We are men of action. Lies do not become us.”
— Wesley/The Dread Pirate Roberts, “The Princess Bride”

your wallet for just a minute.”
– SirHamster, voxday.blogspot.com, March 20, 2019

2. TRX says:

Huh. I replied to this more than an hour ago, and it hasn’t shown up yet. That’s slow even for WP…

3. TRX says:

Well, there’s plenty more in the quote file:

Treating paranoia often generates clinical depression as the erstwhile
paranoiac discovers that no one cares that much about him.
— Mary, on accordingtohoyt, July 14, 2016

“In order to communicate, you have to have something to say.”
— wheels, March 4, 2016 on accordingtohoyt

“When the only virtue you have is being angry, you must find new things to be
— Sarah Hoyt, “accordingtohoyt” 03/12/2014

“…Thunderdumb. One idiot goes in, none come out.”
— Sarah Hoyt, accordingtohoyt.com 06/14/17

It can be somewhat surprising how many of those who wish to express their
individuality have no interest in any expression of your individuality.
— RES, June 30, 2016 on accordingtohoyt

“Once enough laws are in place, the only real crime is contempt of cop.”
— Jerry Boyd, on accordingtohoyt

[the difference between power and control]
“Power is being able to Do Stuff.
Control is being able to Make Other People Do Stuff My Way.”
— suburbanbanshee, on accordingtohyt

“The problem is when the nail assumes anything that thumps is a hammer.”
— Foxfier, accordingtohoyt.com 01/20/2016

“There’s us. We’re the cavalry. We’re the last defense. If not us, who?”
— Sarah Hoyt, accordingtohoyt 02/22/17

22. Cardshark says:

“..those who wish to remain ignorant.”

…but…The Party tells us Ignorance is Strength. How can we be strong if we are not ignorant?

Democrats/leftists have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they view 1984 and Animal Farm as “how to” guides, and that their goal is to go full Orwell with the people chanting all the required slogans. The only difference between their version and the original Orwell is the addition of “conformity is diversity” to the three principles of Ingsoc.

I love you dearly, but I must object to one point. You have fallen for one of the Left’s most insidious lies; the notion that reporting was EVER without – or even supposed to be without – bias.

Newspapers started out as political broadsheets, and have never strayed far from those roots. This used to be generally understood. But the Fascist Left wanted control of the way news was reported, so they dreamed up the idea of ‘unbiased journalism’ and ‘journalistic ethics’ to disguise the takeover of the industry.

And it works a treat. Ever since I first started paying attention to politics, I have read and heard people of the not-Left complaining about Leftwing bias in the news…and only recently have they even BEGUN to take the obvious track and get their own bias out there. Instead, for the most part, they have tried to shame the Fascist Left into living up to the phony ideal, and of course the Fascist Left simply doesn’t CARE what they say.

It is a reporter’s business to write stories that support the editorial bias of his organization. Period. It always HAS been. Yes, there was a time when most cities of any size had two newspapers, but the idea that they made money (outside of a few huge markets, like New York) is fantasy. In most places, one paper supported the Party in power (locally) and got the government printing contracts, thereby keeping in the black. The other supported the opposition, and was generally underwritten by some wealthy hopeful with political ambitions.

H. L. Mencken lays this all out in NEWSPAPER DAYS and 35 YEARS OF NEWSPAPER WORK.

I harp on this because neutral reporting is not only nonexistent, it is IMPOSSIBLE.

The major problem with the current batch of ‘media’ is not that they are biased. It isn’t even, really, that they are all biased the same way. The problem is that too many people swallowed The Lie, and thus are only slowly becoming aware that not only are the Media biased, they are deranged.

1. THIS.

It’s gaslighting all the way down. No wonder some folks go.a little bits and reach for Flat Earths and ancient aliens.

1. See how insidious it is? People used to be accustomed to making judgements about the Narratives they were told. Maybe they didn’t always make good choices, and often the limited number of Narratives were ALL pigswill, but they were used to the idea. Now, people aren’t used to using judgement. They’ve been carefully trained out of it by people who tell them not to be Judgmental, while being the most ridiculously judgmental nitwits in earth. So, when it dawns on them that most of what they are being fed is manure, and they decide they don’t like the taste, they don’t have the adult faculties to decide what’s likely and what isn’t.

2. FlyingMike says:

Aside: I suddenly feel a need to read about the Flat Aliens of Ancient Earth.

1. I remember when CHARIOT OF THE GODS was the book every kid at school took pains to be seen with. I don’t recall thinking it was particularly convincing, but that was fifth grade, or maybe sixth, so my memory may be wrong. Later it fed into a central point of my Neyland Tarr stories (mostly told out in group RPGs); the idea that reality is plastic and subject to widespread or focused belief. In Tarr’s world, if there are a lot of Vampires in the popular culture, you may encounter some in real life…and it’s important to keep the lid on, lest the belief in vampires become general and you can’t get rid of them. Or, if you believe hard enough, you may wander into a world where your beliefs are true, in which case you are lost in the shadowlands.

24. So, today I actually pulled up the Star Spangled Banner and listened to it closely while reading the lyrics, as I’m pretty sure I’ve never heard the lyrics except for a couple lines (I’ve heard the song, but have a lot of trouble hearing lyrics).

First thought: Wow! That is leftist kryptonite!

Second thought: What is this other country that seems to share some symbology with the U.S.?

Er, a little less cryptically: While I generally don’t have a problem with the difference between ideals and reality, and understand that neither one invalidates the other, this seems a whole new level. Seen in their raw, mythic form, and in a format I can tap into (I tend to be more sensitive to music), the impression I get is that “the real US has nothing to do with this” under-estimates the separation.

Much of this is of course my background speaking.

So yet another question for the Americans in the audience, especially the Americans-by-choice (read: our Hostess): How do you deal with the idea / accusation that the US — as seen in its myths — doesn’t exist except as a hopeful ideal (USAians come to mind…)?

To not put too fine a point on it; my gut reaction is to agree with the sentiment behind Big Mike’s statement that “for the first time in her life she could be proud of her country”. But from the opposite direction.

Am I making any sense whatsoever?

1. The Star-Spangled Banner is aspirational. It’s also interesting in terms of national anthems because most such anthems either deal with the military might of the people or the land that belongs to them, so having one that deals with the concepts of citizenship without either of those things is pretty unique.

What part of it isn’t military related?

Or do you literally mean it when you say “military might of the people”, as in how powerful the country is, not just a generalized scene from a battle?

1. BobtheRegisterredFool says:

The literal text is military.

But the spirit is not strictly military.

For the political mechanisms of the US to really function, the population must be free, and be brave. Because a coward can be coerced into giving up his freedom. And that coercion need not be overwhelming force, or even force at all. “give up your freedom or I won’t be your best friend” is a stupid argument, but it is only an argument. A man with no courage will give up anything at the slightest pressure. The preservation of freedom requires a great deal of courage. To accept the unwelcome trade offs, to let the chips fall where they may, to continue on.

Every new generation is a link in the chain that has not been proven, and we do not know how they really stacked up until after they are dead.

The military aspect is important, but we can prove ‘land of the free, and home of the brave’ false without ever losing a war, or suffering serious internal violence.

The flag flew over that country when I was young, but as of yet I do not know if I have betrayed posterity.

2. I meant it isn’t “our military isn’t going to stomp you into the ground.”

Rule Britannia,
Britannia rules the waves…

1. RES says:

“Deutschland, Deutschland uber Alles,” (Germany, Germany over All). was made the German national anthem in 1922. Properly speaking, it is not military, as an alternate translation might be “above” all, meaning their nation is highest in their hearts.

Austrian composer Joseph Haydn (1732-1809) wrote the music in 1797, during the Napoleonic wars as an anthem for the birthday of the Austrian Emperor Francis II. As “Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser”(God Save Franz the Emperor), it was first performed on the Emperor’s birthday, February 12, 1797 and the song subsequently became Austria’s national anthem. New words were set to the music in 1841 by a German poet, August Heinrich Hoffmann, and his “Das Lied der Deutschen,” (The Song of the Germans) was considered revolutionary at the time. In order to endorse its republican and liberal tradition, the tune was chosen as the national anthem of Germany in 1922, during the Weimar Republic.
https://www.songfacts.com/facts/joseph-haydn/deutschland-uber-alles

I am doubtful that La Marseillaise is properly deemed militaristic as its call is for revolution, not conquest.

Nor is Oh Canada very militaristic.

A quick skim of Wikipedia (extension: i/List_of_national_anthems) certainly doesn’t seem to support the thesis (“The State Anthem of Independent and Neutral Turkmenistan”?) but the tendency for anthems to be performed by military bands, heavy on the brass, could easily cause one to conclude they’re militaristic.

A few anthems’ titles seem a trifle woebegone, frankly:
“Libya, Libya, Libya”
“Our Language” (Moldava)
“Yes, We Love This Country” (Norway)
“Poland Is Not Yet Lost”
“A Toast” (Slovenia)
“God Save Our Solomon Islands”
“Ukraine’s Glory Has Not Perished”
Somewhat confusingly, both North and South Korea have titled their anthems “Aegukga” (“The Patriotic Song”) although they do not seem to be the same song.

1. O Canada! terre de nos aieux,
Ton front est ceint de fleurons glorieux.
Car ton bras sait porter l’eppee
Il sait porter la croix.
Ton histoire est une epopee
Des plus brillants exploits!
Et ta valeur, de foi trompe
Protégera nos foyers et nos drouts!

Just a bit though, don’t you think?

1. RES says:

Meh. Standing on guard ain’t exactly aggresive.

Besides, they’ve largely let their guard drop, haven’t they?

1. But.. But they know How to carry the sword… And the cross! They’re practically Crusaders! 😅

2. weefreeirish says:

Sinne Fianna Fáil,
atá faoi gheall ag Éirinn,
Buíon dár slua
thar toinn do ráinig chughainn,
Faoi mhóid bheith saor
Seantír ár sinsear feasta,
Ní fhágfar faoin tíorán ná faoin tráill.
Anocht a théam sa bhearna baoil,
Le gean ar Ghaeil, chun báis nó saoil,
Le gunna scréach faoi lámhach na bpiléar,
Seo libh canaig amhrán na bhfiann

1. weefreeirish says:

Define normal. 😛

1. You know, “lang mur yeer lum teak.”

Perfectly good English.

*nodnodnod*

(For those wondering– that is my best spelling for how my great grandfather and his brothers talked. Scotland. It’s a blessing. “Long may your roof leak.” Logic being, if your roof is leaking you’re alive and have a house.)

1. See you and raise you my Liverpudlian Granny Dodie: “Manners ye baste peegs ‘ave noone!”
Translation: “Manners, you beast: pigs have none.”

2. RES says:

Normal? C’est moi!

All the rest of you folk are nuts.

3. Herois do mar
Nobre povo
Nacao valente
E imortal
Levantai hoje de novo
Os explendores de Portugal
As armas
Pela patria lutar
Contra os canhoes marchar, marchar.

I don’t object to the militarism. I object to the mental defect. March against cannons? WAIT…. the national anthem of the nation I abjured has people aspire to being …. CANNON FODDER?
Not surprising, it was written by anarchists who deposed the king and then bankrupted the country (Which was a feat, since the kings hadn’t achieved it, and not for lack of trying.)
As for immortal, I’ll quote an old classmate “none of us have grandchildren. People have forgotten how to make babies.”.
Meh.

1. FlyingMike says:

People have forgotten how to make babies.

Same punchline as “How do I get to Carnegie Hall?”

2. BobtheRegisterredFool says:

I’m in the middle of outlining a story titled “Say, Can You See”. My writing madness for this project includes a fair amount of reading lyrics, and listening to music. I have a little familiarity.

No theory we can make can possibly capture the full complexity of real behavior by humans. Better to set the goal for something good to seek and aspire to.

More practically, we can be concerned about the outcome of a battle for a limited period of time. Worry about achieving an ideal can last longer, meaning a wider audience for a poem.

If America is not blood, it is implied to be mental, a state of madness. And madness is a fragile thing.

3. TRX says:

All four stanzas?

We were only taught the first in school. I didn’t know there was any more to it until I read about them in an essay by Asimov half a century later.

Stanza 3 seems particularly apt in these troubled times:

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
that the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,
a home and a country, should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
from the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
and the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
o’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

25. TRX says:

> abolishing police

Of course, without a police force of its own, police jurisdiction in Minneapolis falls under the Sheriff’s department and State Police. Which means they’d be getting the same police protection as any non-city Minnesotans, except “for free” as far as the city budget is concerned.

1. RCPete says:

Somehow, I don’t think it’s going to turn out OK. I suspect Minneapolis has enough juice in the state government to prevent the SO and State Police from acting. They seem to be stupid enough to try…

I’d also expect the Sheriff’s office to demand payment for services rendered. When they don’t get it…

1. TRX says:

I don’t know. They’re still in the county. Most city PDs engage in head-butting to keep the Sheriffs *out*.

A few cities don’t have PDs of their own; they sometimes pay extra to maintain a Sheriff’s station within their borders for faster response, or to maintain a higher number of deputies in their area. Crime rate seems to be closely correlated with population density.

Contracting out saves them considerable money and legal liability compared to running their own police department. But most of them want their own police for both prestige and power.

2. scott2harrison says:

I suspect that the bill will go to the county not the city, which means a large county tax increase which will not immediately impact the city budget or tax rates.

1. snelson134 says:

Oh, the city residents will definitely feel it; most local taxes (property and sales, esp) are the SUM of city, COUNTY, and state rates.

26. I ran into a “white’s were the only ones who had slavery” once. I was shocked. I think the first time in the early 90s I think. Even then when you hit them over history (which they didn’t read …) didn’t change their minds. This has been tainting our schools for a long time. We are seeing the fruits now.

1. TRX says:

When I was in school they never mentioned anyone *else* had slavery, or that it wasn’t some special black/white thing. Lying by omission, sorta.

Talking with younger people, some have said they were explicitly told it was uniquely American. I have no reason to doubt them; I was taught that the Pilgrims discovered America…

27. Ha! I can focus part the various questions I’ve been blindly poking at!

What is your emotional reaction when SpaceX achieves some major milestone? Specifically the parts having to do with its relation to the country, not the generalized “one more step into space”, or “thing I geek out about” excitement.

For comparison, my answer: Milestone launches usually have the USA chant appear, which causes tut-tutting from the usual suspects. I do not agree with those idiots; SpaceX could only happen in America.

But I get zero…. I assume “pride of country” is what it would be called? After all; even if I somehow had a perfect match to the ideals of the country, the achievement cannot possibly reflect on me, for the same reason that someone owning slaves a couple hundred years ago doesn’t reflect on me.

AFAICT, this is not shared by most people. They seem to be either progressive-infected “its all evil”, or feel a connection by country.

Again I hope I’m making some sort of sense.

1. But I get zero…. I assume “pride of country” is what it would be called?

I should say: “I think that I get zero…”

After all if you don’t know what people are talking about when they say the word “hunger”, it is hard to tell if you’ve ever been that.

2. It’s not so much that pride in our country for this milestone isn’t shared by anyone, it’s that the Powers That Be are doing their damndest to silence such sentiment.

Case-in-point, a well-known (at least in Sarah’s circle) author received an indeterminate-length ban from Fecalbook for violating their community “standards” because he posted a link to an article on the Crew Dragon launch, and in his comment on said article he echoed your sentiments on American Exceptionalism and how such a launch could only happen in this country.

1. It’s not so much that pride in our country for this milestone isn’t shared by anyone, it’s that the Powers That Be are doing their damndest to silence such sentiment.

I think you got the meaning backwards…

Leaving out the progressives for a moment, I suspect others of having a good feeling of *scrambles for word* communion/fellowship/union/solidarity (HORK!)/??? in the form of “this is my country doing this! [and thus me in some way]”.

Ow ow ow ow ow ow ow ow ow ow. I think I sharpened the focus too much.

It is hard to understand something that was specifically cauterized away before it was possible to know what it was.

1. Yeah, I reread your initial comment and realized that I’d completely misinterpreted it. Mea culpa.

3. BobtheRegisterredFool says:

I was born a US national. But in my younger years, I flirted with the idea that other countries could be better.

I deliberately picked the United States as my country.

At the moment, I’m a little too confused about where I stand on the rest of the question to have an opinion. Don’t have a good inventory taken of emotional reactions to those sorts of events.

I do have pride in our past fights against other countries.

1. Born here as well, but due to \$REASONS so disconnected that I may as well not have been.

I….. think…. I choose America?

Even though I have an almost Directive 4 style reaction to many of the things that others would probably consider necessary. I would hope that, if it came to it, I would fight to protect it (but like concealed carry; hard to know till the balloon goes up). But where someone in the Memorial Day thread suggested I go to a veteran’s cemetery and let it sink in, I’m pretty sure I have no business being there.

Also there is an element of “if America means anything, it has to also mean no one getting to make you be American the way they want you to be. Behold my middle fingers, for I have a matched set.”.

1. On phone can’t type much. But you’re being autistic enough to make me not know how to explain. I’ve never catalogued my emotions be second by second.
I refuse to send a retrieval team into Plato’s cave for you Ian.
Try to remember to be human. It’s not a meat suit. You’re part of it.

1. More seriously…

I’m pretty sure some of those responses work to a certain extent. I’m pretty sure I had the appropriate rage on September 11 for example, in so far as an 11 year old could. [various ramblings snipped]

It has always been part of Required Doctrine that absolutely nothing good whatsoever can come from contact between children. In contrast to the Public School Doctrine that all children must be socialized (in practice with the worst influences available). The more time passes the more evidence mounts that while I can’t break the Doctrine yet (rather like the hunting discussion), there has to be some element of truth to the claim that socialization is necessary. Though not in any way that the schools would accept.

1. Robin Munn says:

One thing that socialization can do is let you interact with other people whose brains do not work the same way as yours, and (ideally) learn from them things that you might not have been able to figure out for yourself. For example, the other day when you asked a question about hunting and cruelty, hopefully I was able to help you figure out a couple of things. If so, then that’s a good portrait of how it’s supposed to work.

Obviously that’s the ideal, and reality often falls short of the ideal — sometimes all that socialization teaches you is “some/many/most (depending on your environment) other people are jerks and I want to stay away from them.” But sometimes the ideal does happen, hence why those who had a good socialization experience when they were children tend to argue that everyone should be socialized, whereas those whose school experience consisted mostly of being bullied tend to be passionate about never letting THAT happen to THEIR children, so they homeschool.

P.S. I don’t know what you mean when you say “Required Doctrine”. Required by whom? The people who taught you when you were growing up? (By which I mean not just your parents, but other people who were major influences on your thinking.) Because the idea that “absolutely nothing good whatsoever can come from contact between children” does not reflect the attitudes of any of the homeschoolers that I know, and I know many of them. The ones I know tend to form small homeschooling co-ops so that their kids can get contact with other kids who comes from good family backgrounds. What they want to avoid in the public school system is: 1) contact with bullies, and 2) teachers who will push doctrines the family vehemently objects to (precisely which doctrines are objectionable will vary from family to family). But most homeschoolers that I know personally want their kids to have some contact with other kids, they just want to be more involved in that contact rather than trusting their kids’ emotional safety to strangers who may not (and often, provably DO not) have their kids’ best interests at heart.

1. RES says:

ONE thing that America’s mode of socialization facilitates is just exactly the kid of “live and let live” credo that can enable different groups to live harmoniously. The Jew can hire a “shobbos goy” to take care of minor tasks o Saturday then open his deli for after-church Sunday brunch and both parties benefit. There can be exchanges on different approaches to similar problems from which everybody benefits, incorporating advantages of each system of, for example, drawing well water or preventing sheep ver-grazing.

Then there are different ways of preparing food, or various ways of making with the sweet, sweet music …

2. those whose school experience consisted mostly of being bullied tend to be passionate about never letting THAT happen to THEIR children, so they homeschool.

My generation got the helicopter, the previous one had almost no observation. And the angels sing pendulum swings…

Sometimes that lack of observation happens in an area where there are no good influences to be had. Then RNG can easily get you a situation where nothing good whatsoever came of it.

By which I mean not just your parents, but other people who were major influences on your thinking.

Huh, whats that? *mock ignorance*

does not reflect the attitudes of any of the homeschoolers that I know, and I know many of them.

Well, a lot of homeschoolers do raise their idols to the school system….

Mocking aside, there is truth in that statement: A lot of the “entry level” homeschoolers are still thinking in terms of “we are going to do exactly the same as the school, just better”. They haven’t yet learned to question things like grades. But that is another issue entirely.

What they want to avoid in the public school system is: 1) contact with bullies, and 2) teachers who will push doctrines the family vehemently objects to (precisely which doctrines are objectionable will vary from family to family). But most homeschoolers that I know personally want their kids to have some contact with other kids

Exact opposite: nothing specific in doctrine beyond generalized objection, bullying minor issue at best (heh, I was bullied at church of all places; elder’s child hath its privileges), contact with other children the central problem.

The logic is actually quite simple:

1. It is the parents primary job to raise their children. No outsourcing. [agreed]

2. You cannot raise your children, while also having someone else raise them for 8 hours a day or more. [agreed]

(Yes I know some people manage this, but it always comes out that they are spending almost as much time out of school deprogramming as they are supposedly saving by sending them to school)

3. Zero experience of ever having seen benefits from inter-child contact. Plus reports even from teachers that they had never seen the mythical “good kids uplifting the bad”, always the other way around. [element of truth, but myopic]

4. I don’t know what conditions were in other areas in the 90s, but here despite the good legal situation if you were homeschooling you were destroying your kids, and people would make certain to tell you. Also the schools were blaring the socialization message at max volume. Their fraudulent version of course, but the name stuck. Have you ever seen a family completely bereft of support structure? I have; it’s not pretty. Such a thing could work if everyone involved is very sane and doesn’t have their own daemons. BWHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAH

The only solid piece of evidence I have that this is wrong is that the Zero Socialization Ideal reliably destroys children. With the destruction being in direct proportion to how well it is implemented. We have a nice set of varying experiments due to the helicopter obsession of the last couple decades and the more lunatic homeschoolers.

Of course the counter to this would be that socialization reliably destroys children.

2. BobtheRegisterredFool says:

When Sarah said ‘autistic’, my mind went to ‘no, weirdness where emotions /and/ socialization is concerned could easily be autism /or/ disassociation’.

If an effect is weak enough, it can impact one’s internal experience without being strong enough to be immediately obvious.

Of course, I’m not competent to be giving any sort of mental health advice beyond ‘self care is important’.

2. If it helps – for me, the feeling of “America my country and ideal to aspire to” is… well, kind of like what I felt when Daniel Jackson first opens the Stargate (in the movie). “Oh, I want to go there.

1. Robin Munn says:

I had noticed, while reading through your fanfic in order at AO3 (I love their ability to link multiple works in order so I could keep clicking on “Next Work” rather than having to dig through the descriptions on FF.net trying to figure out which one comes next), that quite a lot of them were Stargate crossovers. Which, yeah, Stargate makes it very easy to justify almost any crossover — they open the gate and boom, it’s a planet of talking Technicolor ponies with highly-marketable designs or something — but you tend to have the crossovers happen in “reality” rather than through the gate, so the reason must be (I figured) because you loved the show.

I’ve seen the movie, but never yet seen the show, and was planning on watching it sometime, so you’re probably a good person to ask this question. Am I correct in thinking that Stargate SG-1 is the next show to watch after the movie? Also, what comes next after SG-1: Stargate Atlantis, or something else? Or should I stop after watching SG-1 because that’s the only good Stargate show? (Just like how Star Trek only has two good shows, TOS and DS9).

1. Imaginos1892 says:

Stargate TV is well worth watching all 10 seasons, Stargate Atlantis is next, and sort of concurrent with the last 3 or 4 seasons. TV-movies Continuum and The Ark Of Truth pretty much wrap up the story.

Stargate Universe left me saying ‘Meh.’

Babylon 5 is still my favorite.

2. BobtheRegisterredFool says:

SG1 is the good series, but I also got enjoyment out of Atlantis.

Basically, you will have some decisions when you get to SG1 season eight.

https://madgeniusclub.com/2020/05/28/apologies-all-round/, Reziac on this post has a list for interspersing episodes of Atlantis, and the remaining bits of SG1.

SG1 9 and 10 have the issue that the initial set up/vein of ore contrived for turning Star Gate the movie into SG1 was getting played out, and they had to make a new vein of ore, and it wasn’t as magical as early season SG1. Whether you look at the Ori vein for SG1, or the Wraith vein for Atlantis, neither is as good as the Goa’uld as set up in Children of the Gods. Now, Children of the Gods is the SG1 pilot, and it is a bit graphic (nudity), and doesn’t really have everything figured out yet. So there’s a trade off where getting some important differences with the first movie is concerned.

I’ve only watched the first three seasons of Atlantis, and may eventually watch the full series. I’ve seen enough episodes of Universe that I expect never to try again to watch it.

3. Didn’t ask me, but– skip Atlantis.

There’s a couple of “Mr. Writer, did you ever consider maybe at least sitting next to somebody who was actually in the military, or cracking a book on the military before trying to write it?” things that probably wouldn’t be so bad if they hadn’t nailed Jack and General H. so perfectly, and I had a heck of a time finding much to like after that.

You can also tell when SG1 went from cable to general TV. I think it improved a bit, but yeah….

1. PK says:

If I may, I never actually watched more than (I think) the movie and obviously I don’t have your experience, but I did enjoy a lot of Domenika Marzione’s SGA fic. I seem to recall she was fond of characters and concepts but expressed exasperation with the writers’ flagrant lack of experience with both the military and academia.

Oh, SG1 was not detail accurate in the least– they just got the “feel” of it right, and did a lot of good patch jobs that can, if you’re being generous, explain issues.

Atlantis– from memory, been a LONG time– both removed the patch job on a lot of the oddness, tried to copy characters but turn them up to 11 and did not put any new patch jobs on.

2. It looks like she’s very into Atlantis.

FWIW, my husband likes it; but he also reviewed the new Star Trek films as “not a bad scifi movie; wish they hadn’t called it Trek, but I enjoyed it.”

2. aacid14 says:

Did you have subordinates like O’Neill?
Gen Jumper: worse

3. BobtheRegisterredFool says:

SG1 had advisors from the Air Force, who were able to help get the feel right, and I think also contributed to the strategic problem that flattered the biases of the Air Force so nicely. It is very much an Air Force centric show.

Atlantis is a multinational organization headed by a former US diplomat. Much worse verisimilitude.

The first two episodes of Atlantis are the set up, and an example of how they were trying to refurbish the formula of SG1 to a have new life. Major Sheppard is inspired by Jack O’Neill, but the writers obviously keyed onto insubordinate as a character trait, and turned it up a bit past what I understand is plausible. We also have a science geek, McKay, for Carter, and eventually a couple of aliens for Teal’c.

It worked for me, but I’m not prior service the way Foxfier is.

One: I think it does a decent job of continuing two aspects of the original series. a) The Ancients were an advanced civilization, but maybe a little bit active stupid. b) The depicted timeline is the best timeline, and quite improbable. Two: it did a good enough job remixing and refreshing the original formula that I really do want to see more remixes/revamps/refreshments. The last episode of Atlantis aired in 2009. I count the failure to get a couple more viable series out in that time as a shortcoming of the creative organization.

If SG1 is an 8 or a 9, SGA is a 4 to 6.

1. Major Sheppard is inspired by Jack O’Neill, but the writers obviously keyed onto insubordinate as a character trait, and turned it up a bit past what I understand is plausible.

Well stated– I couldn’t quite figure out how to put it.

Jack is believable because he’s retired, they NEED him, and half the time he’s TRYING to get them to dump him. Plus, a couple of times, they nearly do.

The other guy is not only active duty, but he’s on a highly sought after job, which is supposed to be very important and requires a massive focus on good manners… and he spends the first episode acting like Jack actively TRYING to get fired, at best.

I can think of a few ways to justify it– short version, deliberate sabotage via manning– but ugh.

1. BobtheRegisterredFool says:

West and O’Neil from the movie maybe isn’t the most plausible relationship either. To me, the movie felt like the military side was, at best, painted with a very heavy brush.

I’d seen something from Don Davis years ago discussing his care about how well he could make George Hammond work.

So, I’ve been crediting and blaming the writers, but part is what the actors brought to the roles. Suicidal black ops colonel is role that is easy to pull off in a way that is implausible, or would result in a separation.

I’m not sure Browder cared in the same way, but he definitely also cared in a way that is maybe a bit extreme for an actor.

At least part of SG1 was getting lucky with the casting, getting people who were willing and able to make the military part work.

I think Flanagan must’ve been younger and less experienced than Anderson. Even if he had the same information Anderson did, he wouldn’t have had the same leverage with the writers and directors.

It has been a long ten or so years, and I’ve changed a lot since I’ve last seen an Atlantis episode. I’m not at all sure it would be as acceptable if I rewatched.

1. TheOtherSean says:

And Don S. Davis, who played General Hammond, served as an officer in the US Army for several years.

2. For that matter, there’s a big difference in the same behavior by a guy who’s old enough to have kids in high school vs a guy who could pass as being in high school.

2. d says:

Disclosure. Liked both SG1 and SGA; SGU … didn’t watch.

SGA – Shepard (the other guy, not Jack). If I remember right, the person in charge of the military side did not want Shepard on the mission. Don’t remember why. Shepard did not want to be on the mission either, but if he had to go. Do not remember the pretext that got Shepard assigned whether he wanted it or not, or whether he was wanted or not. Then he ended up in charge off the military because the PIC got himself killed.

Personally not military. Anyone I know who have been military, aren’t currently, and hadn’t been for a long, long, time; also not something discussed. O’Neil & Shepard both worked IMO.

4. Definitely watch SG-1 after the movie, but I can only speak to the quality of the first 4-5 seasons – I watched it on TV, and it switched to a channel I didn’t have after that.

Atlantis comes next, and… well, I did like the about 2 eps I was able to see of it? But the lack of attention to “we’re going through a ‘Gate and may not be able to come back, what should we have brought?” is a bit cringe-worthy to anyone who’s seriously considered What To Do If There’s an Island in the Sea of Time situation. As one fan put it, “The Atlantis crew keeps wondering what they can trade with the locals. Hello? You’re sitting in an ocean? Salt, people!”

3. Um… Why wouldn’t you visit a cemetery? (And any American cemetery has vets buried in it, except maybe Quaker ones, or cemeteries of nuns.)

Cemeteries are nice. If they are local and not private, you have a right to be there. Maybe even an obligation to visit every once in a while.

Granted, I’m Catholic, and we tend to love cemetery visits. Also one of my brothers cleaned headstones as a Boy Scout service project, and most of our history teachers encouraged visits to pioneer cemeteries with public access.

But yeah, lots of people have family cemeteries in their land. Mr. Baen’s ashes reside at David Drake’s place, which is nicely country.

1. But it is okay not to feel anything in particular. Heck, I can’t tell you how many battlefields we visited when I was a kid, without “feeling” anything. Churches, too.

Educational stuff is about thinking and experiencing, primarily. Any feelings are a bonus. Store it up, then reap the benefits later.

Okay, yeah, I am a context learner. Even overly emotional though I am, it is really not my first hermeneutic of experience!!!

1. I’m accustomed to — what I assume is — a very strange emotional life. That doesn’t really bother me, and these days I can usually run translators to map to other people.

The problem comes with something like this which, to borrow some language from the enemy, is central to people’s identities. I have one side saying “you ought to have these positive feelings towards blah blah”, another side saying “No! You ought to be ashamed of the terribad!” (don’t agree, but the noise of the yelling confuses things), and then a third side whispering something like “caring is wrong” (for reasons distinct from the left).

Trying to shut out the yelling to think it through produces something that I think most people who think of themselves as patriotic would either dismiss at a glance as “another traitor”, or simply recoil from the uncanny valley effect of agreeing with them on many things, while not fitting the cultural/civic religion aspects.

2. Not objecting to visiting a cemetery. The suggestion was specifically about one for soldiers.

What place has an ant in a skyscraper?

1. RES says:

Visiting a cemetery is okay — it helps keep one’s life in perspective.

I do hope to catch up on my reading before taking up residence in one, however.

28. Those maroons in Minneapolis are about to get a nasty dose of Reality.

They’re expecting a peaceful utopia where everyone sits around holding hands and singing Kumbaya all day and night.

They’re gonna get Gotham City from the third Nolan movie, specifically the part where Bane’s people have taken over and gotten rid of all the cops.

1. Christopher M. Chupik says:

Do they realize that the system they’re most likely to create is one where the rich and powerful have private security to protect them and that the poor will be screwed? I would think that the leftist power-to-the-people crowd might object to that, if they weren’t the ones trying so hard to create it.

1. From what little I’ve read (I admit that I’ve either snoozed, unfollowed, or flat-out unfriended most of the people spewing this BS), they haven’t thought things through that much. Actually, scratch that: they haven thought it through at all.

Basically, it seems to boil down to “[X] is a problem! Get rid of [X] and all our problems will go away!” Same with how they seem to think that banning guns will mean that all crime and violence will somehow magically go away.

1. Christopher M. Chupik says:

Then: “You don’t need a gun, we have the police!”

Now: “DEFUND THE POLICE!”

2. PK says:

It’s only contradictory if you fail to assume adequate levels of malice and deceit!

Given the obvious consequences of their policies and, indeed, their explicit rhetoric, gun control proponents clearly believe that it is better (for example) for me to be robbed, raped, maimed, or murdered than to kill my attacker. Thus, they demonstrably prefer violent criminals over law-abiding citizens.

This is of course entirely consistent with the current support for looting and for the elimination of law enforcement. It would be consistent if they are also in favor of lynching, as long as the victim isn’t a member of any of their favored categories, such as an actual criminal.

I was reading a twitter thread by a guy defending “defund the police” from criticism by explaining that it’s deliberately vague enough to encompass any position that involves decreasing police power, designed to prompt people to take sides (mostly his) and assume the slogan represents their personal views, instead of debating specifics. I was having enough trouble reminding myself that people who disagree with me can be sincere and well-meaning before that.

3. Can’t have any crime if you don’t have any laws.

2. Imaginos1892 says:

Hell, they don’t even realize that today’s problems were the solutions to yesterday’s problems. Our ancestors would give an arm and a leg to have our problems!

They will wind up bringing back those old problems, then whine ‘This is not what I wanted!’

1. Christopher M. Chupik says:

“It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want.”

— Spock, “Errand of Mercy”

1. Cardshark says:

That’s it. Joe Biden went through a session or two of the Klingon Mind Sifter 🙂

1. Imaginos1892 says:

They couldn’t find anything to Sift, but Klingons Never Give Up! Even when they should.

2. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard says:

And the Klingons couldn’t find a mind. 😈

1. Christopher M. Chupik says:

Nah. The women from “Spock’s Brain” paid him a visit. 😉

1. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard says:

But did they Find A Brain?

1. Christopher M. Chupik says:

Brain? Brain? What is brain?

29. Too tired to have much worth saying.

1.897 year old discovered “sass” this weekend. She is quite good at it.

1. Oof. Red 2.0 has decided “question authority” is her new operating mode. A few more weeks of it, and she might get to learn the early grade-school version of “I Fought the Law (and the Law Won)”.

1. Too many people never figure out that “question authority” is both necessary, and not the be all and end all of existence.

2. njc says:

One of my professors responded to that button with “If Authority answers, will you listen?”

2. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard says:

Just think how she’ll be when she hits the full 2.0 mark. [Nervous Grin]

Seriously, take care.

1. Imaginos1892 says:

They don’t call ’em the Terrible Twos fer nuthin’ 😀

2. Oh, we try.

Although the drama, dear heavens….

3. Someday day want to meet her. I feel great affinity and this only increases it. I discovered it around same age…

1. *snickers* Needs to happen, eventually, yes.

this year really destroyed my “go visit people with the camper” plans, even if the piles of hysteria hadn’t sent my mom into full paranoid “you’re not going to the grocery store alone, are you?” type terrors.

4. Currently trying to get Little Britches to A) not be sarcastic and overly dramatic with everything and B) stand up for herself instead of letting all the other kids boss her around.

30. Ike says:

On the Dragon launch: “Breathes there a man, with soul so dead, who never unto himself hath said, ‘This is my own, my native, land; this is my own country'”

1. It’s okay to be thinking about it still. Take your time.

The quote was an example of the rhetorical figure known as hyperbole, (“throwing high, throwing over stuff”) which means it doesn’t include (or elides away) accepted variants of experience.

31. d says:

32. Captain Comic says:

“they will be large, muscular and smart.”

Great, even MORE threatening, suspicious looking individuals to terrorize your neighbors.

😉

33. I had someone give me a leftist- flavored screed admitting that most crimes against blacks are committed by blacks. But then he went on to say that it was whites who confine blacks in ghettos so they could treat them like slaves (I thought it was more voluntary like-associates-with-like, myself, and partly a matter of what kind of housing they can afford), and blames the lack of educational and economic opportunities on whites, and that it was racist to attribute it to black culture. Sorry, but black culture and gang culture are not identical, although there is more overlap than is healthy. (I don’t quite see how it’s the white man’s fault if a black kid decides that getting an education is kowtowing to the man and that he can do better hustling drugs or filching whatever isn’t nailed down when no one is looking.) He then went on to conclude that criminality among blacks is white men’s fault…and I *really* do not see how this follows. I don’t equate privileged white culture with Marxist revolutionary culture, either, but there’s more overlap there, too, than is healthy.

1. criminality among blacks is white men’s fault…

Well… Hmmm. Okay. Try this.

Criminality tracks pretty closely to single-mom households, partly because the most dangerous person in a child’s life is usually Mommy’s boyfriend, and abuse can head kids off into dark places. Partly because young men desperately need Daddies to avoid having their natural, useful male aggression go sideways. Partly because the poverty and deprivation that single mom households engender lead to poor educational results unless mom really brings her A-game… And if she’s a single mom with multiple baby-daddies, you can skip the capacity for that…

All these pathogens were deliberately inflicted on lower class, and poorer Americans by Marxists, who wanted to pay women to be sexually profligate and have kids out of wedlock, to trash family-building with no fault divorce, to strangle small businesses with regulations, to kill local schools for the teacher’s unions, and to run a scam that crab-pot culture was the only way to be “authentically Black”

And their partners were the “conservative” oligarchs who wanted cheap labor and disposable wives, so they teamed up with the abortion and divorce crowd, and added cheap migrant labor and convincing women that serving The Man was more liberating than serving their husbands, thus further cratering the employment and husband-and-father opportunities for Black men.

Whew!

This all got going in the mid-60s, when the U.S. was something like 90% white… So nearly all the bozos who instituted the above – and bragged about so doing -and continue to implement -!) would’ve been whites. And white [Jews].

So there you go. How whites (or… you know) are responsible for insitutionalized racist policies which did the Black Man down.

Not JUST them, mind, but not being able to perceive this… Well, that’s the problem these days isn’t it?

1. So. I do track you. But I don’t think that’s the argument he’s making; he sounds more like the “poverty causes crime” type, which is bunkum. Yes, they do tend to go together, but correlation is not causation and if you look at it closely, (which I have) it could also be the other way around. It’s just as easy and just as hard for a poor man to be honest and law abiding as a rich one, and honest and law abiding have absolutely nothing to do with genetics or skin color. I have lived long enough on the margins of society to be intimately familiar with the problems of the working and nonworking poor, all the way from living independently but paycheck to paycheck, through living with better-off relatives, down to outright homeless. Without going into intimate personal detail, on that subject I know whereof I speak.

1. BobtheRegisterredFool says:

a) if poverty caused crime, then people from an impoverished background are a security risk where higher education and other things are concerned. If the poor are a security risk, then we should expect and allow fewer of them to obtain educations and positions of trust. And disproportionately few minorities with good educations and high status jobs would not have any need to be addressed.
b) crime could well cause poverty. Petty criminals preying on a group may well tend to demoralize people where self-improvement is concerned. White support for post-Segregation leniency for minority criminals may well have been a mistake. Perhaps criminal justice reform is a racist conspiracy and the real systemic white supremacism.

1. Confutus says:

I’d go with b). Watching your carefully scraped savings turn into bling and swag for the big men in the ‘hood doesn’t do much for incentive to save. And yes, if you’re looking for hidden systemic racism, the treatment of criminals *is* probably a good place to look, although not exactly in the way you might expect. It’s not so much bad treatment of the criminals, as it is neglect of their victims. I would certainly support criminal reform that focused less on incarceration and more on restitution, while the penalties for violent crime should probably be more corporal.

1. RES says:

In his autobiography (Harpo Speaks) Harpo Marx told of a pocket watch received as a child. He knew that brother Chico would pawn the watch if it had any marketable value so he removed the hands. While this rendered the watch useless to Harpo it also meant he got to keep it.

That seems an ample illustration of the point Confutus makes about crime impoverishing a culture by rendering property valueless.

1. Confutus says:

Agreed.

2. I agree. I was just trying to figure out a way it *could* be true.

34. RES says:

Gee, is it possible the failure to assimilate Somal refugees has contributed to Mineapolis’ problems? Is it possible that the MSM will ever ask that question, much less answer it? (It is probable they will denounce anybody who does dare ask.)

Oh, grow up, Mayor Frey: Devine
… Identity politics is the disease, not the solution. Dividing people into competing victim groups based on race, gender, sexuality and other superficial characteristics is the opposite of what America needs in order to unify.

If Frey and his ilk stopped obsessing about themselves, they might understand Minneapolis’ unique problems, which revolve around the country’s largest Somali-refugee population, more than half of which lives in poverty and is plagued by gang warfare.

Abolishing the police force and replacing it with flying squads of social workers, as several council members are advocating, would just recreate the anarchy these refugees escaped in the 1990s.

That’s not what the Somali mothers want. They’ve been begging the city not to allow another mall to be built, which, they fear, will just disintegrate into another gang hangout.

Guns and gang warfare in the city of 450,000 make it one of the most dangerous in the country.

In the two weeks since Floyd’s death, 19 people have been shot, only one linked to the protests. That’s business as usual.

Far from too much policing, there has been too little that’s effective, as you can see from crime stories chosen at random from the Minneapolis Star-Tribune.

[SNIP]

Fed-up local businesses have had to pool money for their own security because they’re not being protected by police.

Violence is terrorizing a city that has been under Democratic control for most of the past 50 years. Instead of focusing on keeping residents safe, progressive mayors have attempted to social-engineer police with notions of diversity and “cultural competency.” The result is a demoralized, weak, understaffed police force, with tragic consequences.

A city with such problems needs better policing, not no police. It also deserves a serious person as mayor. …

35. Tim Cunningham says:

Nice column but one minor quibble; you wrote “We’re born in a country that grants us our natural rights of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.” Shouldn’t that be “a country that recognizes that its citizen’s have natural rights . . . “

1. The meaning I intended was the same. Or “Won’t violate.”
But you’re absolutely right. My phrasing is wrong as it might give idiots the idea rights come from government.
I plead exhaustion as the last few weeks have been extra crazy.

36. They don’t need another mall, because malls are dying as retail business goes online.

37. RES says:

“Over the past week, hundreds of thousands of Americans have engaged in peaceful protests against police violence and systemic racism,” Sen. Schumer said. “This large, diverse group, so many of them young, gives us hope that Americans are prepared to march and fight to make this a more perfect union once and for all.”

So I did a little math.

Assuming Schumer’s “hundreds of thousands” are less than a million, I selected 900 thousand as a upper boundary and, using a US population estimate of 330 million, cranked the numbers. In essence, Sen. Schumer is calling upon us to drastically revise society over the tantrums of (at most) 0.27% of the population, many of them by his own admission young, inexperienced and emotionally immature.

The millions who turned out for T.E.A. Party protests did not similarly move the sanctimonious senator from New York, leaving the impression that His Oleaginous Majesty is not actually concerned about abusive policing so much as he is eager to abandon the Constitution.

38. RES says:

I’m listening to Mark Steyn, subbing for Rush Limbaugh, and he’s just mentioned Gov. Whitmer’s limiting of people gathering in barbershops, permitting only one customer at a time …

It occurs to me that, given the significant social function of the barbershop in African-American communities it seems entirely reasonable to interpret such bans as racist, an effort to destabilize that community.