The Largest Self Inflicted Wound In History

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As we start hearing reports of entire dairy herds, refined for generations being sold for hamburger, of entire herds of pigs being slaughtered and buried, and as our chickens are not coming home at all but being destroyed at the peep stage, all because of strangle points in distribution, it is time to ask: Has any other nation ever done this to itself in history?  And has any nation done this to itself without an open civil war.

And I can’t imagine any other country — except those who are blindly following our example — doing this for so little reason.

Looking at democrat governors running around proclaiming only vote by mail in their state, it’s easy enough to know what they get out of it — i.e. the chance to never be voted out again. Dictatorship for life — but why does the president continue to go along with it? Even when he, himself, called attention to the facilitation of fraud by that method of voting. (Which among other issues, when combined with motor voter (the poison pill that Clinton introduced to the American system of elections) allows untold numbers of foreigners to vote themselves bread and circus at the American tax payer’s expense. This is I am sure what Newsom is counting on both with his “bailout” to illegals and his changing of his state election laws to all vote by mail.  Again, I am telling you, no state that goes all vote by mail ever elects anyone who challenges the left.  Btw, Pennsylvania has done that too, so Trump might already have lost the election.) And yet the president keeps going along with the insanity and listening to the “experts” even as Americans get more and more fed up. And frankly, if he doesn’t see it, he should pay attention. Because the media won’t report it it doesn’t mean it’s not happening, as he should know from his election.  No, I have no idea why he’s sleep walking through this and frankly I’ve considered everything from his being drugged to his germophobia interfering with his rational thought.  Yeah, I know the press also keeps feeding him polls that say how much people approve of being locked in forever, but does he not remember Hillary Clinton had the election walking away, according to the same polls.  Frankly, all that he has keeping him from falling into an abyss right now is that none of us wants the left-now-calling-themselves-socialists-but-really-communists to take full control.

Which brings us to what the left thinks it’s doing, besides stealing the election and taking down Orange Man Bad.

For some time now I’ve had the suspicion, not just from their politicians but from their artists that the left has absolutely no clue where food comes from, or how difficult it is to get it from the fields and barns to the average urbanite’s table.

It’s not just their continuous yapping about sustainable this and sustainable that, and local sourced whatevers (a fine thing in California, but in Colorado which is frozen six months a year, and arid the rest, local sourced is a luxury for very wealthy people.) It’s the fact that they routinely create worlds that make no sense whatsoever.

Having been indoctrinated into Marx and — most of them — raised at a level where they never had to worry about missing a rent payment or a utility bill, they literally seem to think of a job as an imposition, a form of exploitation.  Some dastardly “capitalist” takes their fine mind, honed in the best Gender Studies texts in the universe, and makes them spend eight hours a day proofing, or filing, or doing some other form of distasteful work.

In their minds, this is not necessary, and they’re not contributing to the prosperity of the nation.  No one is. If the farmers stopped farming, food would just magically appear in the grocery stores, or something.

We can see this in Occasional — very Occasional — Cortex’s insistence that we come out of lockdown and go into general strike, because of course the freedom to go to work is not freedom.  This is why the press keeps insisting that the demonstrations of Americans who want to go back to work are being “financed” by plutocrats on the right. This is why they think that the entire country can have a rent holiday for months and nothing bad will result. (Like, you know, the landlords having their properties foreclosed for lack of mortgage payment.)

And this is why they don’t understand supply chains, nor that meat packing plants cannot have “social distancing” inside them and continue functioning at maximum capacity, nor that when farmers slaughter vast parts of their herds, there is no coming back from that, because you cannot breed cows, or pigs, or hatch chickens fully grown.

I HOPE for the sake of America that we have enough “give” in the system that we won’t see outright FAMINES in the richest country the wold has ever seen.  I’m starting to have doubts, and I’m planning accordingly.  Plan you accordingly as well.

As for the rest of the world? You’re on your own, and I’m sorry to say you might not even have America to kick around anymore. Those fervid wishes you expressed for decades, that we’d be as socialist as you are?  Well, Americans do everything bigger and better, even ruining themselves, and I hope you enjoy it.

You won’t even get a lot of tourism from us, because our airlines cannot keep maintaining their entire — already very aged — fleet of airplanes and are already sending a lot of them into permanent retirement. Which will make flights more expensive because — something else the left never got — when something it’s scarce its price goes up.

I don’t think the left sees any of this, or if they do is dimly and in a positive — for them — light.  They think that a lot of us will die. In their fantasies, it is always their political opponents who die, not the vast numbers of useless, young, neurotic urban voters who support them.  They think to usher in the Green New Deal with no cows, and less flying, and–

And they’re insane.  They’re as insane as communists always are who think that destroying a functioning system will usher in THEIR revolution and paradise.

I recommend P. J. O’Rourke’s Eat The Rich as an introduction to economics because it’s funny and relatively painless.  However, I also recommend John Ringo’s The Last Centurion for an introduction to what happens when you forcibly stop America, the turbine of the world economy.

I will also remind all the democrats thinking the end game is to steal elections and this will hold forever that their experience is with a relatively prosperous, well-fed country where the citizens can travel to other states when your state has gone insane. (And alas bring their mentally deficient voting patterns, but that’s something else.)

When the country is hungry — this will be a very hard winter — and there are actual people in distress (not the phony baloney distress that the dems have used forever, gathered from messed up studies) well… I don’t think you’ll like what you get.

You see, you miscalculated. Europe could have almost a century of playing with socialism and not starving, because it was being protected and to an extent fed by America for all that time.  Fed? Well, sure. While we didn’t outright ship food to them, we produced such a vast surplus it was easy enough to feed the world at a discount rate.

Those wheels will come off.  And people are going to get angry. Really angry.  And sure, the younger ones might voice socialistic bullshit, but honestly, those will be the WEALTHY younger ones, who are going to be very shocked their Marxist bullshit shield doesn’t protect them.

As I said last week, I don’t know what comes next. I know what I’m seeing now, particularly with the president remaining stuck in how cautions we have to be as we re-open, is not filling me with confidence.  The stage is set for a sh*tshow where we could get anything.

Anything, that is, except socialism or communism for any long period of time.  Why? Because they can’t kill enough of us fast enough (though they’ll try.) And socialism and communism throughout the world — sorry guys — only survived for any length of time with America’s tacit support.  Yeah, I do know the calculations of the cold war. I lived through it. But the fact is the USSR would have starved and probably rebelled if it weren’t for us feeding them. Same for every other communist country.  We’ve enable China’s fascism by making them most favored nation.

Well, congratulations leftists. Above I should have mentioned that this is not exactly self-inflicted.  This was a masterly move in the cold civil war, whether or not at the behest of the left’s Chinese masters, who knows.

What we do know is that they’re owed congratulations.  They captured the brass ring and brought a command economy to America.

And we’re all — everyone of us — going to feel it this winter and over the years to come.  At a guess it will be ten years before we can take food in the stores for granted, let alone all the stuff that used to be made in China thanks to the left’s very real greed for profits and disdain for free men and women.

I’m hoping — and willing to work for — America wins this and the fifth column is the one who hurts most in the flames they created.

From now on, throw nothing away. I had two large bags for donation to Goodwill, but they won’t be going out. Most cloth is made in China.  I’m also looking at discount fabric on line.  If you can get books on things like how to make clothes, and anything else you might need.  Store what food you can. Don’t throw that busted computer away, but see what you can cannibalize, and if it can be made functional with a different operating system (though replace it now, while the parts are available.)

This winter is going to be very very bad.  Depending on how much our local dictators strangle the local economy, it would be earlier than winter.

You guys are smarter than the average bear. Find ways to prepare including essential medicine.  I’m engaged in a mini-campaign of making sure my family will survive this. The least of my efforts is the Victory garden, because I SUCK as a gardener.

Oh, yeah, if like me most of your money is made on line and by virtue of computer work: get batteries. I doubt power will go out completely, but extra batteries for your laptop can be charged and held ready if it becomes erratic.

And yes, in the middle of this I’m going to continue slogging out fiction (and articles) because that’s ultimately my best contribution to society.  And hell, people will need distraction.  So, tend your garden, make your bed. Take care of what you can. Prepare to survive and have those you love survive.  And keep perfecting whatever marketable skills you have.

Meanwhile stay aware of what is going on.  At some point I need programmers for a project, and it’s great that they’ll be unemployed and willing to work on spec, right (Spit.)  No, it’s not, but it might help us get out of this.

We will make it through this.  We will survive.  When the elections are massively rigged in November and the left’s spokeszombie or wicked Uncle Bernie win?  Well, the left will find out that hungry and angry people don’t roll over like a contented and fat populace does.  (And btw, I haven’t even mentioned what this is doing to health care, to trucking, to just about everything imaginable. We were sitting pretty to survive decoupling from China, but now we’ll be so screwed.)

Their imagined utopia won’t materialize.  They won’t like what comes next. Because after this the media will have lost all their power, and Americans will have seen what happens when you believe “experts” and “models.” They’ll have felt it.

And hey, chances are all of us will also be much leaner. (Wry.)  The Chavez diet plan works like a charm.

Be not afraid.  Prepare as well as you can — knowing my readers that will be about 120% more than needed — but don’t stay locked in fear and despondence.

The left is crowing all over this is their chance to institute their “plan” for the world.  But remember they don’t know where food (or anything else) comes from.  While all of us, if not in training or profession stand in solidarity with the sons of Martha. We know things must be done, beyond the consciousness raising session. And we’re not Chinese. Or Russians.

Make sure the poison pill they’re feeding us ends their illusions.  Stay alert for opportunities to do well and to change things: when the wheels come off there are great opportunities for smart and creative individuals.

They want to destroy the Republic. Don’t let them.

Sursum Corda. You are our best weapon.

 

520 thoughts on “The Largest Self Inflicted Wound In History

  1. I owe you an apology, Sarah. I was rather pissed-off (read: seeing red, foaming at the mouth, screeching and snarling incoherently and not really thinking beyond “DANNY F***ING DEEVER!!!!!!” and “BREAK OUT THE BOATS!”) when I commented/posted that PA had gone vote-by-mail. Because, strictly speaking, we have not.

    It is just for the primaries (as of right now, anyway) and voting by mail is not specifically required: the polls will be open. The change is that now anyone can request an absentee ballot, not just people who will be out of the state/their voting district come election time. Yeah, not good, but not quite the apocalyptic sh*tstorm that I indicated that it was.

    1. It wasn’t just you. It was in an article linked, I THINK in Ace of Spades. I’ve been reading SO MUCH politics — yes, it stops today, I need to work — that I can’t track half of what I have read when I want to quote.

      1. After the Anointed One was elected in 2008 I made a determined effort to ignore him until he went away. Which, to be effective, meant ignoring *all* news for eight years, because apparently “news” is 99% politics and celebrities.

        Yeah, I was out of the loop for eight years. But looking back, there was f-all good it would have done to follow it anyway, other than ruining my disposition.

        “You might ignore politics, but politics doesn’t ignore you” has some truth, but when there’s nothing you can do about it other than be upset, there’s no real downside to ignoring it.

        1. This, me. I also found a number of trusted online sources and read them religiously.

    2. It IS a shot across the bow, however. Fight this tooth and nail, because the next step is VBM. Learn from my mistakes – I didn’t take it seriously, when it happened to my home.

  2. > (a fine thing in California, but in Colorado which is frozen six months a year, and arid the rest, local sourced is a luxury for very wealthy people.)

    Nope, not even in California. California produces a lot of high dollar value but nutritionally insignificant stuff, like almonds, arugula, and artichokes (the “three As”). It doesn’t produce anything like enough raw calories to keep starvation at bay given the size of its population.

    If the food trucks ever stopped rolling, California would have food riots in a week and cannibalism in two.

    1. California is the second largest rice producing state and first in tomatoes. We can all sleep safe, knowing there will always be ketchup.

      1. > California is the second largest rice producing state

        Produced at great expense, using imported/fossil water, though, and I don’t think it’s anywhere near enough to feed the population.

        (checks)

        It looks like California produces around 4 billion pounds of rice per year, or about 100 pounds per resident annually. Rice has about 1600 calories per pound, so that would be a little over 400 calories per day per capita.

        Yep, that’s not gonna do it.

        1. > It looks like California produces around 4 billion pounds of rice per year

          To put this number in perspective, the United States produces about 830 billion pounds of corn per year, and Iowa alone produces about 150 billion pounds of corn per year.

          And yeah, if things get that bad we’re going to have to focus on raw carbs.

          1. End ethinal yesterday. It was always crazy/insane to replace food corn with additive corn and waste it in full at an energy loss…

            1. The argument is generally made that the corn employed for ethanol is not suitable for human consumption.

              To which I reply, “Is not cheaper animal feed a thing to be desired?”

              1. Yep – I have farmer relatives – Ethanol places buy feed corn, which is very, very much not what they call “sweet corn”, of which my relatives always plant a couple rows of for the table.

                Also note per the family grapevine, it’s been raining a lot in southern Indiana, and word is they have not yet been able to get the machinery out into the fields to plant.

              2. Sure but stop wasting it in fuel where it costs more than the energy it is supposed to save!

                1. Ethanol byproducts are what is used for cheap carbonation. That’s baked into the supp!I chain now. So every time ethanol gets stopped, the US and the rest if the world has pop shortages.

        2. Reluctant though I am to be fair to the powers that be here in the Bear Republic, I should note that there’s a modest portion of California’s rice industry that doesn’t match this description. The modest numbers of rice growers who are located in the wet part of the Sacramento River delta actually have land that is naturally suited to growing rice. All the rest of the California rice industry is engaged in the total insanity of growing rice in a F***ing DESERT!!! But that rice industry got started due to the small region where it actually does make sense…

        3. The rice areas we went through were California water– as much of it as SoCal hasn’t managed to steal yet, anyways. (We our route from Washington to San Diego was via Weed, I don’t remember the exact area the rice was in.)

          It’s really brilliant, honestly, they took advantage of the way that NorCal’s natural water supply is over-abundant at the start and gone at the end, hwen the politicians are too stupid to let you build storage.

          1. When you fly over the rice region of the central valley in later summer and fall you get lots of crappy visibility from smoke from the burning off of the then-dry rice paddies, plus the seasonal temp inversion pattern caps off the smoke and keeps it from mixing out.

            This can make finding that little airport your instructor wants you to go land at a really good learning experience.

          2. The northern California rice area tends to run from near Sacramento to about Red Bluff, with a lot of farms east of Highway 99. My late MIL lived in Paradise, above Chico, and lots of rice fields along the way.

            I’m not sure it was “too stupid to build storage”, but rather “too wedded to the religion of Gaia and Zero Population Growth” to be willing to accommodate more people than when Jerry [hawwwwk, spit] Brown was governor the first time. He put a lot of water projects on hold in the ’70s, and finished them off for his second set.

              1. Well, the first option implied that with sufficient application of a cluebat, things might have been fixed. The second says they are/were cluebat-impervious. Tomato, Tomahto.

      1. > Almonds are nutritionally dense.

        It’s not the almonds as such, which as you say are quite nutritious, it’s the amount of total calories produced that’s nutritionally insignificant.

        (2,600 calories per pound * 2 billion pounds produced annually) / 40 million Californians / 365 days = about 360 calories per day.

        Yeah, things would get ugly in a hurry.

      2. The big almond growers are using ground water for their orchards, and destroying the smaller farms in the area. See Victor Davis Hanson for more details on that.

          1. Wait, if we go for the kinetic recall option we will not be able to get the coveted SAH Seal of Approval?

            Well, poo.

          2. I wouldn’t mind seeing California leave either, except for one thing: some of the busiest ports in the USA are located there. California would certainly impose ruinous taxes on any incoming goods bound for the remainder of the US. What would that do to the price of goods coming from Pacific Rim nations?

            1. Oh, giving you email here, because I don’t want to approve your comment, but wordpress’s newest trick is not to let me see your email unless it’s approved. SIGH.

            2. I’m not sure that it would make much of a difference after the first six months or so. My understanding (based upon stuff I’ve read here and there) is that it costs more to move goods by truck or train from Houston to Austin than it does to move them from China to Houston by container ship.

              Based on that, and based upon the fact that “City of Industry, California” is the named shipping point of a lot of the electronics I buy that is “shipped from US” but which is of Pacific Rim (nearly always Chinese) origin, I suspect the reason that there’s a lot of traffic through the ports of Los Angeles and San Francisco is because the warehousing is there, not because it’s all that much cheaper than shipping it to New Orleans or Miami or Houston (or wherever) and moving it overland from there.

              Logistics systems adapt to changing conditions and while those adaptations can take years, for manufactured goods, a couple of years really isn’t all that long a time.

    2. We’ve been seeing a umber of reports relating how farms dedicated to “Localvore Restaurants” are struggling. Many of these specialize in high-profit goods, particularly herbs — but also “organically-raised free-range” meats — that have relatively little consumer demand and very poor shelf lives.

      Most of the households using much in the way of fresh herbs are likely already growing their own, as that is the easiest and cheapest way to procure the herbs. The fact that they are generally easy to grow, even if just in window pots, merely enhances their attractiveness.

      Those households are NOT going to buy the kinds of quantities of herbs that the restaurant suppliers need to achieve.

      1. The past several years, we’ve grown tomatoes and zucchini. Fairly good calories in the first, and grilled zucchini tastes good. This year, we’re going to try carrots in the greenhouse. Non-zucchini don’t stand a chance outside, between various squirrels and rabbits. Zucchini can be grown outside because the leaves tend not to be tasty, and I can trap and kill any ground squirrels that want the fruit.

        One of the summer projects is a chicken coop and predator-proof (hah!) run, primarily for hawks and owls, but also for hungry four-legged critters. I don’t know if badgers will go after chickens, but the run will have buried fencing to discourage casual digging.

  3. > But remember they don’t know where food (or anything else) comes from.

    That reminds me of the “Democratic Socialist” on Twitter, one of AOC’s buddies, who posted a pic of strips of irrigated farmland he took out of the window of a plane, and was wondering what could possibly have caused those patterns.

    Yep, no clue whatsoever.

    1. That reminds me of the “Democratic Socialist” on Twitter, one of AOC’s buddies, who posted a pic of strips of irrigated farmland he took out of the window of a plane, and was wondering what could possibly have caused those patterns.

      Dragon landing strips? (Asking for a friend ….) 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

      Ouch. Dang it. Pretty sure my cat just caught my eyes & batted them toward the dog, as they rolled out, because I rolled them too far. Need to catch the dog, she ran off with them …

      1. My guess is that the land is owned by a Mondrian fan. I could be wrong. I’ve been wrong before. But I’ve been more silly than wrong.

        1. Local land looks more like a Picasso on a bad day. Between dry pasture, wheel lines, and pivots ranging from 1/4 to a full circle, it’s interesting on the satellite view.

  4. And it’s not just the leftists artists who think food magically appears in food stores. In my experience (4 years behind a supermarket deli counter), pretty much everyone seems to believe that. Or else they think “the back” is this massive near-infinite space filled with all of the foods (like the warehouse at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark and/or that the meat and fish are somehow made in The Back – IDK, maybe they think it’s grown in vats like in a sci-fi novel or something – and a) don’t believe that we could ever “run out” of something and b) are horrified when they learn that the smoked salmon they ordered was actually a real fish. I remember one woman who physically turned green and dang near puked all over herself when I told her that the Norwegian Smoked Salmon she’d just taken possession of had been caught off the coast of Nova Scotia. Seriously, what the heck did she think “Wild Caught” (it was prominently labelled as such) meant?

    And these were what my grandmother (may she rest in peace) would have called “reasonably-educated people.”

    1. I get GREAT service from my local supermarket (It’s wonder what being nice to people can accomplish) and some of that is offers to ‘check the back’, because of course they are used to being ‘Karen-ed’ into doing such useless things. I always say ‘if you really think there’s a chance, but I know perfectly well ‘the back’ is smaller than it needs to be and chock full of paperwork and broken displays”

      Always gets a chuckle.

      1. The folks at my local supermarket’s deli counter love be, because I’m totally cool if whatever I’m ordering comes out a little over or a little under, and when they tell me it’s no problem at all to get it exact, I tell them not to worry about it and, “If I ever turn into one of those people who throws a temper tantrum because it’s point-oh-one of a pound off of what I ordered, please do me a favor and throw something very heavy at my head.”

        Never fails to at least get a smile.

    2. Reminds me; Over the years we’d often purchase a couple of weaner piglets in the spring, raise them through the summer and butcher them come fall. So one year, had them hanging an gutted, a neighbor girl came by looked at the empty heart, lungs gut cavity and said; “Oh you already took all the meat out.”

      1. While funny, at least it shows she knows where meat comes from and is just ignorant of butchering.

        Which means she’s well ahead of someone with a degree in economics who is a sitting Congresswoman.

        Side note, if the fact AOC says what she does while having a BS in Economics doesn’t prove college is useless, I don’t know what will.

        1. IIRC, her degree isn’t a straight up Econ degree. I can’t remember the exact nature of it, but her economic illiteracy makes a bit more sense in that light.

          1. It is a double major in international relations and economics.

            If it has economics in the degree name and you think money is all that matters and that goods magically appear even if people don’t work, she is on record saying people should not have to work for necessities, then her degree is crap, anyone with that degree name from that institution is crap, and all degrees with that name or from that institution are suspect at best.

            1. “International Relations.” That explains it right there. I took an International Relations course in college to fulfill some core requirement (can’t recall which, probably “Social Studies” or whatever my school called it) and because I figured it’d be a good supplement to the semester abroad I’d just taken.

              The class could very easily have been called “Why Capitalism, Nationalism, and the United States Are Evil and the Source of All the World’s Problems, and How Socialism, Globalism, and the United Nations Will Save Humanity and Bring About Utopia.”

            2. I read a post on another site that said there are 2 types of economics courses. One involves a lot of math and the other glorifies Marx. You can guess which one she took.

              1. Precisely that’s. And doubly so when matched with international relations. Triply so when an “ethnic” person is taking said combination of coursework.

              2. That’s sad. The ones I took back in the 90s didn’t glorify Marx, although Keynes as a bit sainted in them. Neither had much math.

            1. A BS degree in actual BS would be more useful. At least it would require learning SOMETHING.

            1. Why? She has all the requirements. Can fog a mirror, knows she’s oppressed, and roots for the boot on the face of capitalists

            2. AOC’s about my age, which means that she’s a product/victim of No Child Left Behind, which means that she couldn’t be failed and/or held back no matter now much she needed/deserved to be.

              And if her school district was anything like mine, awarding a student a “C” or below (depending on the parent of the student in question) left the district open to being sued for harassing and/or discriminating against SoccerMom’s Perfect Little Angel.

                    1. If memory serves (I’m on a serious caffeine deficit for the day; the Border Collie woke me up at 3AM. Again.) the Staten Island/ “Sandy from the Bronx” bits were a bit of narrative building, while skipping the Westchester schooling. Gotta keep that street cred. (Muses about AOC and a coronavirus mugger. Nah. Not fair to the mugger.)

                    2. “Grew Up” could cover more than just her High School years, so her family might have moved in order to get her into a better HS (as many do … although that would probably change if AOC and her compadres have their will.)

                      As if I would believe any Democrat’s public biography.

                    3. You have to MOVE to send YOUR CHILDREN to a school of YOUR CHOICE. Some bureaucrat can arbitrarily change the school district and FORCE you to send them to a different school. And people just ACCEPT that. We have lost so, so much.

                    4. It gets better. One of the things that the Dems were attacking each other over during the first Dem Presidential debate was lack of support for bussing as a way of redressing racial imbalances in school districts. This is something that pretty much *everyone* from the top to bottom of society opposed back in the late ’70s and early ’80s. And when I say “everyone”, I mean that it was one of the most universally disliked policies across the entire country. Having something more heavily disliked would have required policies for things such as involuntary starvation.

                      And the Dems are openly advocating for it again.

                  1. On the college side of her journey away from knowledge, it is my understanding from multiple sources that these days to not graduate with a bachelors degree in other than STEM one has to basically stop showing up.

                    1. Brown was a famously LIBeral college at least as far back as the Eighties. I am confident that, like many Ivy League colleges, Failure (especially for certain unspecified victim classes*) is not an option.

                      *Specifically, for members of those classes who understand the boon they’ve been granted, remember their proper place and do not embrace controversial (e.g., conservative) ideas.

        2. I had one of those funny moments when I explained to a 20-something male that you have to take stuff out of the turkey before cooking it. He was moderately horrified, but as he’d apparently had no food safety prep taught to him in his life (“Is it still safe to eat a sandwich that’s been in the fridge for two months?”) at least he learned something.

          1. I’ve never seen a sandwich that wasn’t green and furry after two months in the fridge, so, no. Surrender that thing to Mother Nature; she’s already claimed it.

          2. I horrified a guy once by telling him that liquid they were cooking the French fries in at McDonald’s wasn’t water.

            Not quite the same level, but it was a very strange conversation. On the other hand, my mother assures me that boiling fry-shaped pieces of potato is a thing some places….

            1. My mom was from Florida; she used to cook “boiled potatoes” by slicing them into strips and boiling them. I guess they cook a lot faster that way…

              1. My cal do verde starts that way. Well, that and onion… You know, I think there’s some Christmas chorizo left in the freezer. If I can get some kale…

            2. $SPOUSE cooks potatoes and carrots in the range-top pressure cooker. Ten minutes to cook after the steam starts, 15 minutes to cool down, no fat necessary. Preparing for some time without electricity? Why would you ask such a thing?

        3. if the fact AOC says what she does while having a BS in Economics doesn’t prove college is useless, I don’t know what will.

          What it proves is that a college education is no guarantor of utility; it does NOT prove college is useless. There ARE college educated economists able to distinguish between their elbows and their arseholes. I would readily consider hiring (had I any need for such) any economist trained by Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell and would discard without further review any graduate of a program directed by the peers of Professors Krugman or Warren.

          1. With respect to Krugman his own textbooks on economics have been shown to directly contradict his columns for the NYT. It is also he knows what he is being hired to write in each case and is providing the desired product.

              1. I don’t think they have the guts to live on Welfare. Collecting money from the government is exhausting, even when it’s as simple as unemployment ‘insurance’. That’s something the people crying ‘get a job’ don’t get. They think collecting the dole (in all its forms) is a matter of waiting for a hand delivery from some cheerful government functionary. I suspect that the drones of academia think that, too.

                The unemployable don’t live off the State because it’s easier than working. They live off the State because they THINK it’s easier then working, and it ain’t easy. If they had halfway decent work habits, working would be easier. But they don’t, and they are discouraged from learning, in part because any skills teaching includes all kinds of State bushwa that makes it harder then it needs to be. So the unemployable think ‘if not working is this wearing, working must suck even WORSE.’

                1. I collected unemployment for a month or so in Texas – seriously, it was more of a job getting it than actually looking for and getting a job was.
                  Which, I think, was the thing.

                  1. Spent time on the dole in 08/09… Sucked. Both trying to find work, and prove you were trying to find work so that I could get a bit of silver to pay the bills.

          1. Okay, so looked at your post.

            According to it she had to take EC 201 INTERMEDIATE MICROECONOMIC ANALYSIS and EC 202 INTERMEDIATE MACROECONOMIC ANALYSIS

            If she passed those classes and still thinks it is wrong that people have to work for necessities she did not understand the basic provisions of economics: money is a store of value, not value itself; products find market prices where no more production enters the market; subsidies increase supply while price fixing lowers them; one must have something of value to exchange to stay in the market, which circles back to money being a store of value, not value itself: then those classes were pointless and she was award part of her degree title based on bunk.

            I will now use the full degree title, not “economics” and admit it consisted of a bare five economics classes. I will then point out the two fundamental courses were so poorly taught she learned nothing about economics fundamentals and was still awarded credit and that I will view her degree through that lense.

    3. I got told by a lady in an art store that she’d become vegetarian as a kid (and remained so) after seeing her grandmother kill a chicken.
      Heck, us kids used to come from near and far to see a chicken or rabbit being gutted. We had no illusions where it came from and we were curious about biology.
      Never mind. This is self-correcting.

      1. I will admit, I’m going to have to trade labor in a real collapse or given up meat. I could raise chickens to collect eggs and probably do dairy, but I’m not sure I could bring myself to slaughter an animal. Too soft hearted.

        Oddly, I’m mentally prepped to gut someone trying to steal my chickens or even already butchered beef. Not sure what that says about me.

        1. Same here – once you’ve given it a name, it’s a pet … and I would have trouble eating a pet, even if we were starving.
          Although – I keep threatening Larry-Bird the Rooster by saying I will post the recipe for coq-au-vin on the chicken coop of her PERSISTS in crowing at 5 AM…

            1. I had a colleague — well, a boss actually — who used to joke about shooting the geese that showed up around work. At least, I think he was joking. I suppose having the EPA as a backstop might have presented him some problems.

            2. If those, like the species invading here in Central North Carolina, are Canadian Geese, he needs to address them in their native language for it to have any effect. Thus he ought say to them, “A l’orange, eh.”

              Although as that is a mode of preparation most commonly employed for duck he might be better off inquiring of them, “Parlez-vous pâté?”

              1. Delta Ponds & one of the big parks on the river have huge duck & geese year round populations. They could stand to be thinned if it comes to it … Then there are the hoofed garden rats … The wild turkey flocks … It is the carcass out of season disposal that is a problem.

            3. i used to threaten a friend’s noisy cockatiel with being cooled in hollandaise sauce. eventually, i could just yell ‘hollandaise’ and he’s shut up.

          1. A couple of co-workers had a somewhat suicidal fish (it tried to leap out of the aquarium, succeeding, but immediately rescued at times). It’s name was “Sushi”.

        2. Clearly, you have never known any chickens personally. My acquaintance with the species (alive) has been scant, but I can tell that if I had to live with some for any length of time I would have no problems wielding an axe.

          1. I’m… squeamish. I’m already afraid I will overcommit and/or end up fleeing the bugs if I attempt a garden. The house already needs decluttering.

          2. Multiple people have told that when I have voiced my squeamishness about killing them. I’ve been told just keep them for a few months and you’ll be chaffing to kill them.

              1. Eh … Larry-Bird is mellow for a rooster. Not an affectionate pet, but not the savage attack-machine that roosters (which are kept for security to the flock of hens for f**k’s sake) are supposed to be.
                My daughter menaces Larry with a broom. And once, he got over the fence and was chased around the yard by the next door neighbors four basset hounds. I don’t think he ever got over that. When my daughter climbed over the fence and rescued him, Larry-Bird was so humiliated, he went into the coop and stayed there for the rest of the day.

                  1. The next day, we got a text from that neighbor: “Hey, the dogs had so much fun – can Larry-Bird come over and play with them again?”
                    No, I don’t think Larry has ever gotten over that humiliation – ever.

              2. We kept some chickens as pets. I had a very sweet rooster pet.

                Keyword is some. A big flock? Not so much. Birds are descended from Dinosaurs, you know like alligators & crocodiles. I wouldn’t want one of them for a pet … just saying

          3. Chickens, Turkeys, & Pigs … Of the 3 Chickens are nicer. Doesn’t make them particularly “nice” but compared to the other two … Turkeys & Pigs are mean. Pigs will eat you given half a chance.

            I remember when Aunt & Uncle raised pigs (for slaughter) one summer. Us kids, the cousins, had to feed them their grain in the morning & the day’s leftovers after dinner. Uncle had setup a platform outside the pen for us to be able to dump over the fence. We were not allowed inside their pen. That next winter the folks brought back pork with their section of the Elk gotten that season. They’d labeled packages with the pigs name. Had no problem eating it. Even with the platform you could see the pigs trying to get to our feet for a “bite”.

            I was an adult, out of school and working, before I knew meat was available at the grocery store. We hunted or got meat from family farmers. Hunted Elk, Deer, and fished Trout, occasionally Steelhead and Salmon; one year Uncle got a bear, whose meat was shared around … it was trying to poach his Elk. One Aunt & Uncle had a small non commercial farm, that is who we got the pork from, and sometimes beef. Another had a commercial Sheep Farm. We’d get mutton. Grandma & Grandpa had chickens … Folks were commercial Salomon fishing by the time I was in College. Early on they could sport fish before commercial season started, using the same boat they commercial fished with. They just had to have the commercial gear tied up. Even Thanksgiving & Christmas Turkeys came from a relative who raised them for holidays. College. First year I was in the dorm. That “freshman 15#”? I lost 20#s. I couldn’t handle the way things were cooked. I could only eat fresh salads, & fruit. Got my meat when home. Or I ate Togo sandwiches on the weekend. When I got my own apartment, meat came from my folks freezer (to be fair my groceries came from my folks …).

            Things have changed now. We were out of state and hunting & fishing were too expensive when back home to go with trusted hunters. Never got into the habit. The family farmers are either gone, or have stopped raising. Tho we have found a source for a hobby farmer for pork.

            1. OTO – my maternal grandmother, Granny Jessie grew up on a small farm in Pennsylvania – and she told us that she and her brothers and sisters hesitated on going down to the pig-pen, by about mid-summer. It was a small farm, they usually had one or two pigs … and the pigs were being kept for meat. She and her sibs knew it. They couldn’t become fond of the pigs and make pets of them – because the pigs were to become hams and bacon.
              Granny Jessie said that the pigs were as intelligent and as personable as dogs.
              But this was a small farm. Not a huge operation, with dozens of pigs.

              1. Granny Jessie said that the pigs were as intelligent and as personable as dogs.

                Harry Harrison wrote an amusing spy spoof novel (The Man From P.I.G.) developed from this theme. An interplanetary trouble shooter traveled with a bevy of assorted pigs, trained to assist.

                From the title you can doubtless surmise when I found it on the shelves.

              2. Cousins never had more than two pigs the summers they raised them.

                They also had milk cows, but never more than 3 or 4. They’d pick up extra beef calves from bigger dairies & raise them for meat. If they had 4 milker’s then the calves would be put on one, with some bucket feeding from the other 3.

                The person we get our 1/2 pork from gets orders from friends & families of what they want. Then gets piglets from somewhere. I know his source from 2018 didn’t have any for him, was suppose to, but didn’t. He scrambled to get piglets from another source. Result we didn’t get our 1/2 until end of February. $3.50/# to him & to butcher to cut/wrap, etc. About what I pay for hamburger / pound these days, way less than what we pay for ribs or pepper bacon; let alone steaks, salmon, or a roast.

            2. I recall hearing, many years ago, some one say, We haven’t had that much excitement since the pigs ate little Jimmy” (or something rather like that).

              1. I’ve heard it in the past five years, but among people who know each other well. “Since the hogs ate Grandma” is another variant.

            3. Pigs will eat you given half a chance.

              I saw a news item just the other day about a child being discovered dead and partially eaten by pigs. No, I didn’t read beyond the headline and lede. No, I don’t recall where I saw it. No, I am not interested ii searching it out.

                1. *sigh* My farm-raised Granny Jessie had a saying – “He went for a leak and the pigs et him!”
                  And yes. the pigs will eat human flesh. We had a city-raised vegetarian friend who was minding a mini-farm with a pig on it, who was horrified beyond all words to find this out.

              1. American pigs are bred for lean meat. Trouble is the genes for lean are also the genes for mean. Not that any pig can be trusted, but the hybrid durocs in this country are terrible.

        3. I will also have to trade labor. Not from sentiment. I am just ridiculously squeamish. It’s one of the things that has kept me from a medical career.

        4. I’d feel squeamish about slaughtering an animal too, but that’s because I lack confidence in my ability to do a reasonably good job of it. I worry that I’d butcher the butchering.

      2. I had a teacher mess me over in senior year of high school; unusual as I normally did well with teachers. But he had this fantasy he’d share with us in class about the farm he was going to buy, with chickens, and cows, and he’d get all the work done on the weekend. Which led to me asking, in class, if he’d ever killed a chicken. I hadn’t either, but my dad told me all about killing chickens in the Depression, so I shared it with him.
        He never mentioned the farm again. Looking back, I feel a little guilty. But at the time…

    4. Good grief; I have asked someone to get stuff from the back (when there wasn’t a big sign instructing me to do exactly that) exactly ONCE, and that was because I could look through the glass door, over the empty shelf, and SEE the tower of that-brand-of-milk waiting to be put on the shelf.

      And I phrased it in terms of “I am sorry to bother you, but I’m pretty sure somebody would have kittens if I stepped in the back fridge and grabbed a gallon of milk, I can see it is right there and I know it’s really really busy but if you could please….?” or something very similar.

      1. One benefit of having a relationship with staff* is that when the cashier asks, “Did you find everything okay?” it is not a pro forma query — if you say “No, the dates on the 1/2% milk were far too near for us to buy any” the cashier will run to the back to see whether any more suitably dated milk is available. Nor is establishing such a relationship demanding of much beyond ordinary sociability.

        *Admittedly this is more Beloved Spouse’s oeuvre than mine; Beloved Spouse enjoys talking with just about anyone, I’d just as soon not even talk to myself.

        1. I thought about buying a tub of plain yogurt today, but the Use by date on the container was 5/3. (They also had some expired yogurt from another brand at a deep discount. Somebody’s got some ‘splaining to do…)

            1. As part of my effort to go through the foodstuff left by my wife when she moved out and throw out what has gone bad, I stumbled across eatbydate.com which has information on how long stuff lasts, how to preserve it, how to tell if it’s gone bad, and related information.

    5. At the fair, parents took their children to see the milking demonstration and the kids often came away dubious about the notion of drinking milk.

  5. John Ringo will be prophetic on this one too. When there isn’t enough food they will ‘nationalize’ (steal) it all and demand it be sent into the cities where their supporters live. It will be a replay of the Great Depression and the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933. People don’t believe me when I tell them they shot cattle, burned orchards and dumped milk in the ditches back then. The first Great Depression was created by government acts just like this one. We are in a depression right now.

    1. the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933.


      If you look that up on Google, you will find that it is ‘widely considered the most successful program of the New Deal.’

      I think that says more about Google than about politics.

      1. Depends on the definition of success.

        We consider the Holodomar a horrific event. Stalin considered it a success. Given his goals, he was right.

        1. Recall that a growing number of Democratic Party politicians are pushing for bans on meat consumption (in order to “save the Earth”:) in addition to their demand that the Federal Government takeover supply chains nationally, so I have no doubt they see this as a feature, not a bug They think mass-starvation will result in the elimination of the deplorable they hate rather than themselves.
          Of course these are folks who have been using Stalin and Mao as “how to” guides for quite a while so none of this should surprise anyone. Why wouldn’t people who want to impose Maoist/Stalinist speech and thought control use mass starvation as a weapon against they don’t like

          Recall that these are people who thin Soviet bread lines were good “because they were fair” and there are too many brands of deodorant. They think they can centrally plan weather and climate; so their arrogance has no bounds.

        2. There is a logic to tyranny. The classic example is Leopold of the Belgians. in Belgium where he was weak, he built public works, in Congo where he was strong, he cut people’s hands off. Academics, spit, say it was racism.. It was not, had he been able he would have cut off hands in Belgium. In Belgium he did as he must and in Congo he did as he would.

          Every Tyrant knows this or doesn’t stay a alive for long.

  6. And of course, when the economy tanks and people starve, the Marxists will, without a hint of awareness or irony, say: “See? This is what capitalism does!”

      1. If each patriotic American went out and killed just two Dem socialists or RINO enablers, this would stop mighty fast. (The resulting anarchy and chaos might be a bit of a problem, as likely would whatever arose to restore order.)

    1. They already are.

      Even in good times, they rant about abject poverty in the US. And if you point out that “abject poverty” means having luxuries that royalty did without a few centuries ago, they grouse about how tired they are of that “meme.”

  7. “They tell us, sir, that we are weak—unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when an Antifa guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?”

    Patrick Henry’s Ghost, VA House of Burgesses

  8. There’s a lot of farmland in New York, and Cuomo doesn’t seem ready to let go of the reins of a square inch of the state until…? I’m not sure. But given his decision to force nursing homes to take COVID patients with no notice–and then to INVESTIGATE THEM, as though he could somehow pass the blame for his stupid (evil?) decisions on their “inadequate care”–it beggars the imagination to believe that it’s because he truly cares for our health so much.

    (But Syracuse and the North Country will be swarmed by the city if he opens any part! Honest to goodness! Nevermind that it’s really a lot less likely to spread particularly well once you remove yourself from the petri dish that is downstate. Besides, I like Destiny Mall and all, but I’m not seeing someone driving four hours from Brooklyn to get there.)

    I’m planning to go to the demonstration in Albany on the 1st, anyway. Need to work out signs. (There’s a lot of complicated to squeeze into a sign.) I’m rather concerned that everyone’s going to just pack up and go if asked politely to leave–I’d honestly rather mass arrests for sitting down and singing Yankee Doodle at the request–but I’m… not sure of the good accomplished in any case.

    I don’t think I can not, though.

    Well, anyway.

    I can pray that the Republic gets through somehow, with a minimum of scrapes. I’ll do that too.

    1. Need to work out signs.


      Might I suggest:

      HOW LONG? UNTIL THE LAST CORONA VIRUS DIES OF OLD AGE?

      That’s going to be my tag line for this insanity.

      1. Good one!

        So far for my own efforts (I want extras to share, not just one each for my husband and me), I’ve got:

        X Church
        X Assembly
        X Due Process
        X Probable Cause for Search/Seizure
        What’s next, quartering soldiers???

        and

        Every Business Is Essential

        I want something along the lines of “For Want of a Nail” describing the supply chain breakdown, but it seems it’ll be hard to get short and pithy and still describe “no, for want of distribution the kingdom WAS lost” … and something for “SO DANGEROUS we need to be locked in our homes… but nursing homes just have to deal. Right,” but again, trouble with pithiness.

        I figure I’ll pick up the materials tonight, though. Glittery foam letters seem appealing, since I hate it when I can’t read people’s signs. >.> But I’m not too bad at handwriting either, I guess.

            1. There is so much fucking stupid, pardon my French that it’s hard to remember all of it.
              For instance closing the fucking parks. I’m still mind-boggled at fucking Colorado closing the fucking parks.
              There aren’t adjectives bad enough for this fucking idiocy, so I’m overusing fucking pardon me.

              1. And the reason most of big National Parks are closed is because state/county/local governments asked them to, to reduce traffic/visitors in the gateway communities.

                  1. I figured that’s what you meant, but I wanted to mention that many of the federal land closures are by state/county/local request. (A few in urban areas were closed by the park service because they’re too frequented, and some because of staff getting infected.)

                    1. I want to point out our favorite city park is so large — like the zoo — we normally don’t come within six feet of anyone while walking there.
                      BUT they’re worrying about people playing frisbie.
                      Again, a) tell them to wear gloves, if you think this is the andromeda plague (it’s not.)
                      b) honestly in 20 years of going to the park I only see people throwing frisbies to their dogs. But NM. They must be closed.
                      Because cheese.

                    2. If this is the Andromeda plague we know the answer, get everyone lot and lots of alcohol…or, for the little bitches that are SJW, just let them cry.

                    3. The blanket closure of Denver parks is just stupid. When you have a nice big park, let people enjoy it. Sure, close off the playground equipment or picnic tables if you think you need to, but let people walk around. Have they done this to the Denver mountain parks as well as the urban ones?

                    4. Closing the mountain parks is even crazier than closing the urban ones. The mountain parks I visited last time I was in Denver had plenty of space and plenty of trails – easy enough to maintain social distance.

                    5. Our county parks are open (barring one; might be getting renovated). Alas, to make Despicable Kate Brown happy, Crater Lake closed in sympathy with the state park shutdown. This is the first time in a while that we’ve been interested in going back there. Hell, if ISIS is still afraid to go to Kung-Flu areas, we’ll get a respite for a while.

                      Hospitals are reopening for non-urgent procedures May 1. A raquet/fitness club guy just told a member (at the grocery store) that he *thought* they’d be open a few days later. I don’t know.

                      [Reads Portland news] Urrk; now Colorado and Nevada are going along with the Greater Western States Suicide Pact for reopening. OR rural counties are trying to get reopened; since we didn’t quite hit DKB’s estimate of 75,000 deaths (in the state, mind you) from Coronavirus. Hmm, the dogs are playing with my eyes again.

                1. So, I saw something to the effect that big parks and wilderness areas were closed because what if someone needed rescuing, and then rescue workers could be exposed and a whole bunch of crap that seems to make sense until you remember that rescue workers are exposed EVERY time the go out, and that logic would keep everyone from being able to enjoy the wilderness ever.

              2. Parks in NYC are open. deBlasio the deadly and his dominatrix were seen strolling through Prospect Park in Brooklyn, Never mind that Gracie mansion has beautiful grounds and there are several open parks right there, he had to go back to Brooklyn by limo. I wish he’d go back to Boston, where he came from and stay there.

                  1. Really? What the hell good is power if you don’t exercise it? This virus business is every petty bureaucrat’s wet dream, a situation they’ve been lusting after and fapping to for years.

                1. Long mikes are so useful:

                  Chirlane: “Now isn’t this nice without all the riffraff?”
                  Bill: “Yes ma’am. Too bad it has to end.”
                  Chirlane: “Who says it has to end?”

            2. The nursing homes are the death multiplier. The number of infected comes from density, subways, etc., The death rate multiple comes, I think, from requiring the nursing homes to take sick patients. Cuomo the killer was transparent in his dodging today. The loathsome Zucker the WHO death panel man should hang.

              They stopped releasing the numbers for Nursing homes in NYC, but NJ and Mass were 40-50%. There’s a story that one nursing home requested PPE and got a shipment of body bags. Another was alternating the dead in the freezer because of the volume. Anecdotes, isolated incidents, yes. The fact remains, though, that they required the nursing homes to take people sick with WuFlu.

              It is rumored that they were not allowed to test or inform the families of the patients. I don’t know if that was true.

              1. The bit where the nursing home pleaded for Kung-Flu patients to be transferred to the hospital ship or the Javits center and was flat-out refused got me. OTOH, I think even the Progtards might have figured out that Cuomo’s chances of a) getting to POTUS-elect and b) surviving to POTUS come January are nil to negative.

                1. What I don’t understand is why the nursing home didn’t call the Navy, when they didn’t get satisfaction from the city/state bureaucracy. But I guess people might not think of that.

                  1. Between the health department’s “thou shalt not deny admission based on them having COVID-19” and the Comfort being there to help overflowing hospitals, they probably didn’t have a way to contact the Navy. Assuming they knew the Comfort was setting there, empty.

                    The logical thing would be for transfers to the Comfort to go through…gosh, the same a-holes that forcibly transferred known infection vectors into highly vulnerable populations.

          1. > The subways are still open in NYC…..

            Yes, and the idiots even cut way back on the number of cars, making the cars just as crowded as they were before.

            1. OTOH, I gather they’ve not put a stop to bums vagrants homeless folk taking up residence i the cars and using them for latrines.

              So there’s that.

            2. Any word on the Metro in DC? For all I know it’s broken down completely, as it was well on its way when I was in the city a couple of years back.

              1. The Metro is still being run, but they also reduced the number of cars. Not as bad a vector as NY subways, but pretty bad, and explains all the DC/VA/MD commuter numbers.

          2. I have given consideration to the issue of “Tracing & Tracking” the infected and wonder — while this is undoubtedly useful for sexually transmitted diseases — how that works when the patient says, “Every weekday for the last two weeks I took the 7:45 am subway twenty stops to work, rode to the nineteenth floor in an elevator with a dozen people randomly getting on and off at intervening floors (and some going on to higher floors), rode down to grab lunch around Noon with another dozen or so people and back up around One, then left work at 5 pm to ride down in the elevator with another dozen or so and took the subway home again, another twenty stops.”

            I just don’t see how you go about tracing all those fellow passengers on the subways and elevators.

            1. Fauci is an interesting common denominator here. AIDS and WuFlu. At first, they were talking community spread of AIDS, despite evidence that showed there was little risk to the population and that there was a community that was disproportionately hit. They never took the public health actions e.g., closing the bathhouses that were known infection vectors, preferring a broad based approach until the gay men themselves called BS on it. WuFlu again, a broad based approach rather than targeting the vulnerable in nursing homes.

              In both cases, a great many died who needn’t have died.

              1. After he said you could pick up a stranger on Tinder for sex, but going out was dangerous…well, I’ve said before the contradictions are driving me insane. How can doing the horizontal tango with a stranger be safer, or “your choice on if safe”, but sitting in a sparse coffee shop is dangerous??

            2. Considering the headline last year about how half the DNA swabbed from NY subway turnstiles couldn’t be traced to what SPECIES it was from…… yeah, right.

        1. Sign idea: No one person Has the knowledge to make a pencil.

          Or something like tit. Needs work but if someone googles that after seeing your sign, they’ll learn a lot.

              1. I do’t see why we can’t play the name-morph game:

                ‘Stallin’ Cuomao’s lock-down will starve your kid this winter.

          1. I can. And I can make the machines to mass produce them if necessary, starting with ore, out of knowledge in my head, no books required.

            A steel nib pen? I could make that too, and the ink for it.

            A ball-point pen? The basic concept is trivial enough, but that’s one of those “way more complicated than it looks” problems that has only been solved by stepwise refinement, like the incandescent light bulb. Except a ball-point pen is probably an order of magnitude more complex than the light bulb. You have to have a fairly sophisticated industrial base to start with, and even then it might take years of twiddling to get the damned thing to work right. Starting from dirt and ideas… it would help to start young.

            “A man’s gotta know his limitations.”

        2. I want something along the lines of ‘For Want of a Nail’

          I was surprised Friday a) to find my podiatrist was honoring appointments and b) had never, as it turned up in conversation, heard the “For Want Of A Nail” ditty.

          Apparently toe nails, especially for diabetics, continue growing during government decreed lockdowns. Has anybody informed the politicians?

          As for what you seek — have you considered a song, something along the lines of “There’s a hole in the bucket”? The call & response structure makes it perfect for group protests.

        3. Suggest use “republic” instead of kingdom. Cuomo would think it being a kingdom is a good idea and the drive by media will misrepresent such a time to proclaim that there are people demanding Trump be made King.

        1. Covidiocy under Gov Whitless is not fun.
          (Saw some other blog calling her that now too, I always said Half Whitmer was too much by half)

    2. Cuomo doesn’t seem ready to let go of the reins of a square inch of the state

      News reports today are that he has tossed s sop decided to relax the leg irons unevenly across the state. Whether this will actually occur is irrelevant, of course, as the primary benefit (to Cuomo) is that it allows him and his tame media to maintain (increase) pressure on the “impatient” to suffer “just a bit longer” his interminable extensions.

      1. “No resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the NH solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19,” the order reads. “NHs are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19.”

        NYS Department of Health 25 March 2020

  9. As we start hearing reports of entire dairy herds, refined for generations being sold for hamburger, of entire herds of pigs being slaughtered and buried, and as our chickens are not coming home at all but being destroyed at the peep stage, all because of strangle points in distribution,

    My one question is this: what are the real numbers? Are these serious stories about actual draw down of herds and flocks or head grabbing spam that when you look at the real numbers aren’t really anything like the “young people die from stroke if they get COVID, Eleventy-seven death a minute…well, actually about five people and they were diagnosed after and it happened after long home isolation but we know it’s the COVID and it killed them even though they social distanced and stayed at home…RRREEEEEEE”.

    I’m not saying you’re wrong, but we’re relying on press reports unless you are talking to people who are doing the slaughtering AND enough to have a statistically valid sample.

    This is the real tragedy of the press flushing their credibility, I cannot believe ANY story they report. At this point, if CNN reports the sky is blue I will go outside to fact check.

    That doesn’t mean I’m not bumping up the non-perishable supply beyond normal, probably to 3 months by October, but it does not mean I’ll believe we’ve disrupted the food chain to famine based on any amount of MSM reporting.

    1. > This is the real tragedy of the press flushing their credibility, I cannot believe ANY story they report. At this point, if CNN reports the sky is blue I will go outside to fact check.

      “Welcome to the real world.”

      It’s not just the press, it’s the various colleges, state governments and agencies, and the Fed, all chanting together.

      “If we all agree, then it must be true!”

    2. Live in “chicken” country and boiler houses ARE euthanizing 20% of their flocks this week.

        1. Huh. I also live in hog country (if not the top pork producing county, one of the top ten, certainly) and there is no shortage of pork here. Price is up, admittedly, as it is for eggs (haven’t priced chicken of late). It seems the one item that is short more than anything now is rice. The store does have some – but it’s only some, and it still goes fairly quickly though of late it finally seems to not completely leave the shelf between shipments. And I haven’t seen any rationing signs for it for a while, either, as I still see for tp (“Please limit to one package per family.”) Not big on rice, but if the Winter will be thin, perhaps I best stock up some when I can – and have things well-sealed. Those plastic bags are thin.

        2. We have plenty of pork every morning at Sam’s Club, and even the hungry cheerful hordes have not bought it all. But what is available is different every day. We had lots of country pork ribs, but no regular pork ribs or baby back ribs, and a lot of people really wanted regular ribs that we did not have.

          Same thing at my neighborhood small discount grocery chain, Save a Lot. Whoever
          does their meat buying is a champion, because their supply chain has stayed pretty stable and the meat has actually improved in quality.

          Kroger and Meijer have had a little more supply chain trouble, but that is anecdotal as I have not shopped at either place for months. (Maybe I will go shopping today and see.) Fresh Thyme has good supplies, because the big shoppers don’t think to go there (but their meat section is more deli and organic). Wal-Mart gets shopped out in the morning and afternoon.

          1. I’d think there’s a great deal of BS in this whole thing. This is not to say that the supply chains are not under stress, they are, but there’s a fairly simple solution should they choose to take it.

            If there was a shortage, we would expect retail prices to be rising and they’re not. They’re saying that there’s a huge surplus in raw material supply. Trouble is, we would expect commodity prices to drop if there was that much excess supply. They’re really not. They did drop fairly sharply in the beginning of April, but have been rallying nicely. If you look at the prices over a 20-30 year horizon, they’re right in line, toward the low side, yes, but not the lowest we’ve seen. Front month lean hogs are selling at $0.56. October 2016 it was $0.45 and back in 2003, it was $0.35. Prices for most other agriculture commodities seem to be similar.

            The processing side is a bit more complicated, but I expect they’re looking for relief from some of the more nonsensical rules about one person being infected taking out a whole plant coupled with unintended consequences from the unemployment bonanza. It seems to be absenteeism that’s causing the problems at the plants. Since the raw material prices are down, perhaps Tyson could pay bonuses.

            There seems to be a shortage of truckers, Which would make distribution hard but I have no actual data for this and it makes no sense since the large trucking firms lost massive business from the shut-down, which should have brought on supply.

            Regulatory BS is almost certainly the key underlying factor, but a lot of this could be fixed by paying higher wages.

            In a way, this is very like the financial crisis in that we built a system that was very efficient and optimized. Like most optimized systems, it lacks resilience when circumstances change. This was the outcome of government policies and, in particular, of central banks. Socialism for the rich works no better than socialism ever does.

          2. There’s been a *lot* of barbecuing in my neighborhood for the last month. Warm enough to be outside, cool enough the flies and mosquitoes haven’t arrived yet. The ones across the street have their grill on the front porch and they’re fired it up every day.

            I expect the local stores would be having a run on “things you barbecue and what you need to do it with.”

      1. FWIW, headline in the online WSJ (paywalled, undoubtedly)

        Pork Industry, USDA Discuss Euthanizing Hogs After Coronavirus Closes Plants
        Hog farmers, regulators face overcrowding in barns as 105,000 hogs a day can’t go to processing plants. Here’s a bit from the article itself: “While large-scale euthanasia isn’t yet taking place, farmers said, options being considered include recruiting skeleton crews to operate closed pork plants’ kill lines, or finding empty buildings where hogs can be put down with carbon dioxide gas.

        As farmers accumulate thousands of hogs that have nowhere to go, they risk overcrowding barns that are due to take deliveries of new piglets in the near future. Euthanasia is the most humane option in some cases, said a spokesman for the National Pork Producers Council.

        “We’re facing gut-wrenching, never-before-seen kind of decisions,” said Gene Noem, who finishes hogs in Howard County, Iowa, and serves as treasurer of the National Pork Board.”

        1. FWIW, stories from the WSJ (and other paywalled sites) can often be turned up by Googling a key phrase i the opening paragraphs. My understanding (admittedly about five years old) is that Google’s agreements with such news sources is that all stories must be available unrestricted somewhere online.

          I may have been misinformed, I may have misunderstood, or that may have changed over the intervening years; I cannot test the assertion because I, in my indulgences, subscribe to that paper and thus all efforts at testing are futile.

    3. I’m skeptical as well about the reports, mostly because if it was happening, some stringer out there would have gotten the article for CNN, even if they had to drive around roadblocks. MSNBC would be cutting around video on YouTube or BitChute to cut out all the things that “their” people did wrong to ensure that Orange Man Bad media material keeps going out. They think they have him on the ropes for the bleach thing, telling people that THEY”RE GOING TO STARVE!!! if Orange Man and his sidekick Religious Boy aren’t removed by the Twenty-Fifth Amendment and a Woman (not the Anointed One, but one of Her acolytes) would be frosting on the cake.

      I have a hope, a worry, and a fear. The hope portion is that Trump still knows what he’s doing. That, for the most part, he’s giving his enemies enough rope to hang themselves with. And, as long as he doesn’t s(YAY!)t on the podium at the press conferences, he just has to be better than Biden, with proof that the media has been circular-filing articles on him that would kill other candidates (remember the very weaselly-worded NYT tweet about past sexual harassment complaints? If this isn’t front and center as part of the campaign, I’d be surprised). Companies that have been surviving on cash float and accounting tricks are going to go down, and a lot of them are the companies that are supporting the particular idiots that are currently in charge. Throw in the politicians and the “people in government” that are looking like statists-in-the-making and shining a light on the cockroaches. It’s going to be a rough few months, maybe a rough year or two, but it will mostly just…be rough.

      The worry? That the damage is as bad as our lovely author thinks. I’m probably going to be out a job, out of my HMO, and while I will probably be able to find work, I just hope to get a job with enough health care to cover my meds. I’m stocking up every time I go to the store-not a lot, just buying a can of soup, a can of peas, and a can of corn every time I go. There’s some other things going on, in the “worry” category that I’m not going to talk about.

      The fear? That Cuomo and Newsom and Whitmer are going to have a whole Camelot 2.0 mythology made around them, of how they Did The Right Thing and Made All The Right Choices and of course The Way Of The Future is around their leadership… And, people are going to believe it because EVERYONE says it, even when people are hungry, because it’s all due to those Evil Straight White Males and their allies out there.

      The fear isn’t quite for that. The fear is when they decide to go Full Statist. I suspect that’s when the boogaloo is going to hit full tilt. If we’re lucky, it’ll just be messy and a lot of them are going to be gallows fruit. If we’re unlucky, it’ll be a long-drawn out mess. And, in the middle, a long drawn out mess that ends with a lot of gallows fruit.

      (And, I’m going to know way too many of the fruit, because they made the mistake of being too close to the real villains.)

      Fingers crossed. But, still stocking up. Lumber is cheap, already got the measurements to convert the back grass into a garden box, and pricing seeds. Might not be self-sufficient, but it might cut enough of the edge.

      1. It says much about my contempt for our mainstream media that I don’t believe they would show such footage — because it would be deleterious to maintenance of the lockdown and because it would establish a causal relationship between current action and future consequence.

        Much easier to simply ignore the effects of current events and, when they manifest, blame Trump, Capitalism, Hoarders, Kulaks and Wreckers.

        1. My contempt is more along their smug incompetence, only really getting away with things because there is no real competition for them. That they’ve made it so that any real competition can’t even play, let alone be measured against them.

          I think that if there was this kind of news, they’d report it just to prove how clever they are.

      2. Companies that have been surviving on cash float and accounting tricks are going to go down, and a lot of them are the companies that are supporting the particular idiots that are currently in charge.

        I admit I have been thinking of the number of Silicon Valley tycoons who are enjoying large profits from what is, ultimately, a luxury good. Smart phones, streaming videos, even search engines are of limited use in Hard Times — although they may have succeeded in addicting sufficient numbers to be more valuable than food to many.

        “Hard Times Come Again No More” is not just a song, it is a prayer and never more fervent than when undergoing such times. Many today are likely to learn they’ve no effing idea how hard times can get.

        1. Look at how bad things are in the comic book industry and (soon enough) in Hollywood. They’ve been kept immune from the Copy Book Editors for a long, long time that when things just got rough, they’re going to die.

          I think we’re going to see longer replacement times on luxury goods (mind you, I’m getting a new iPhone SE because my current one is acting up), and companies are either going to figure out how to cut their costs or make their product more valuable.

            1. Well, if they get the authors used to not getting paid for 3 months, they can move on to not paying them for 6 months, and then a year, until eventually they won’t have to pay those pesky authors at all!

            2. Yeah, well, they do that and what’s Big Pub going to do, cut them off? It’s about their only mass outlet; Amazon puts them on a level playing field with small print and independents.

      3. My problem? We left it too late to buy a freezer. Were intending to buy one and put it where the kids live… in a month.
        There’s NOTHING in the Denver area.
        Sigh.

          1. Our 31 year old freezer gave up the ghost little over a year ago. Bought a 7.7 CUFT chest freezer that lasted a year … no did not buy the extended warranty … no did not buy it at Costco. However did buy it with the Costco Citi Visa, which doubled the warranty. Took some doing but Citi did pay off on the warranty. Had to have an “official this can’t be fixed” which meant we had to pay for that. Essentially out the electric savings for the year between the very old freezer and the new one. Purchased the 5 CUFT chest freezer through Costco using Citi Visa. New warranty is 3 years through Costco plus the double warranty through Visa. The 5 CUFT is just big enough. Plus the new one moves on wheels.

            On top of that got Costco freezer through Costco.com as it wasn’t in the stores. Two months later it was in the stores for $110 less. Okay, refund of difference wasn’t quite straight forward. We had to buy one in the store. Then we returned the one “purchased online” at our online cost.

            Yes. We loaded up the in store purchase into the car took it home, set it up, transferred the food from the full freezer into the store purchased one, then loaded the online purchase, and took it back to our Costco … exhausting, I tell you! All that work was done in the time it took me to wheel the in store purchased freezer from the checkout stand to the return desk … Hey! That is exactly how the return desk staff said to do it. As much PIA as we’d had with Freezers, you’d better bet, that is exactly what we did. I really like Costco.

            Not two weeks later we’d heard that someone else who wanted a small freezer had to go north to get one. They got the last one in the store. Local Costco had already sold out of the 10 they had in stock on the day we bought & “returned” ours. This was end of February.

            1. On top of that got Costco freezer through Costco.com as it wasn’t in the stores. Two months later it was in the stores for $110 less. Okay, refund of difference wasn’t quite straight forward. We had to buy one in the store. Then we returned the one “purchased online” at our online cost.


              It would have been far cheaper FOR COSTCO to just give you the $110. They should THANK you for ‘cheating’. Otherwise, they’d have a used freezer they would probably never sell. THAT is the problem of top-down centralized control in a nutshell.

              1. To be clear. The “we brought back the ‘new used one’,” was fully tongue in cheek. Not only that, no way would it fit in the Santa Fe, let alone the Sonata. We bought the one, never loaded it, never unboxed it, and returned it all within 5 minutes. Which is why the entire process took “as long as it took me to wheel the boxed floor freezer from the checkout to the return desk”. They had 10 when I pulled it out. They had 10 when they put it back. The staff was fully aware of the irony of the approved “backdoor” method to be used.

                Oh, as it turned out, I didn’t even have to figure out how to get one of the box units on to one of the floor carts. Wouldn’t have been able to do it by myself. Someone would have helped. But there was one already sitting on a cart next to the shelved units. No lifting needed.

                1. That’s what I meant by ‘cheating’. Still a lot simpler for everybody if they just gave you back the $110.

              1. Now, my neighbors, who zealously social distance, got a washing machine. Online.

                a portable one because they don’t want anyone else in the house.

              2. I was surprised. 5 CUFT chest holds a lot.

                One thing I got was 3 stack stackable recycle bins –

                Two on the bottom. One stacked. Great for organizing the freezer. Found the hack online.

                Would have had room for two stacked but the freezer came with 2 baskets.

                1. It doesn’t seem like a lot from looking at dimensions online – but I don’t have room in my flat for much bigger. Decent amount of room for meat and veg?

                  1. We put in 89# worth of meat (pork), plus. Meat went organized into the recycle bins. Still had the baskets that hang on top, and room between them & the non-stacked bin, plus the shelf over the freezer mechanisms. Another 2 inches in front of the bins. Yes good amount of room.

                    The recycle bins take up some of the space. But they are nice to keep the chest freezer organized.

                    I understand the concern. That is what had us concerned a year ago. Why we went with the 7.7 CUFT in the first place and not the Costco 5 CUFT option. I knew we could go at least half from the old 15 CUFT upright, but we were leery of going to one third. We were wrong. It works for us.

                    Only issue I have with the chest freezer is making Ice cubes, because chest freezer, not size.

        1. You might want to check Craigslist for your area. I just checked our local Craigslist and found over a hundred listings. Some of them are regular refrigerator-freezers, but some are actual dedicated upright or chest freezers. You’ll probably need to move it yourself, and you’ll want to give it a thorough washing with bleach water when you set it up, but at least it’ll land you a freezer.

            1. New Freezers:

              5 CUFT – Costco in store $150 – Online $260
              7.7 CUFT – Lowes $280

              Both technically GE but not sold under the GE name.

              Not sure I’d trust a used freezer. Depends on why it is being sold. We sold a 30 CUFT upright Kenmore freezer when we moved from Longview to Eugene. We found we were using less than half of it so it didn’t make any sense to take it with us. Since we had to rent out the house, it didn’t make any sense to leave it with the house. The 31 year old freezer that finally died (ish) was a 15 CUFT Kenmore. I say “Ish” because technically it was freezing … it wouldn’t shut off; -30 F was a bit too cold. Electric bill dropped a good $15/month when the plug was pulled.

        2. Expect there to be a run on Pepcid, soon. The latest news story I heard was that it’s showing promise as a treatment.

          Which is not quite in “the only known treatment for the negative symptoms of schizophrenia is an antibiotic” position, but close.

      4. Whitmer is toast, she doesn’t present well on TV and has no independent existence other than WuFlu.

        Cuomo, the nursing homes kill the mythology. The thing is, it wasn’t just poor, tan people who died. There are some angry people with time, money, and resources who lost their mothers to this and they’re pissed. He’s trying to wash it through the nursing homes and many deserve it, but there’s too many people with money who lost for that to work. Next step will be to throw Zucker under the bus. That might work, but I think Cuomo is toast too and his destructor might be deBlasio, they hate one another and both have something to hide. Buy the NY Post, who hates both of them, and some popcorn.

        Newsome frightens me. He has a much firmer hold on the state and the press than the others and he’s the billionaires boy. He’s got that fascist greenie Steyer in charge of opening the state for God’s sake.

        1. And, I think the myths are going to be built around Newsome (I’m seeing him up close) and Cuomo. Cuomo may never be up for the big brass ring of President, but he’s impressed enough of the right people (for now) that quite a few sins will be forgiven.

          Newsome is definitely trying to ride a restored JFK train to the White House.

        2. Throwing Zucker under the bus is a good idea all on its own. Can it be a literal bus, instead of a metaphorical one?

          1. Newsome seems to be in the billionaire bubble. he frightens the hell,out of me because he has that Che Guevara stare.

            NYC mayor and NYS governor have always been rivals with the mayor usually winning. Cuomo has too much known about him. The only reason he hasn’t been indicted is the attorney general is his protege and southern district of NY was too busy trying to,p impeach Trump. That attorney general is leading the “investigation” into the nursing homes. For a while he might have been able to bury this under the WuFlu hero halo, but I don’t see him surfing this. Too many non-tan people with money’s mothers died.

            Zucker may have information leading to the arrest of Hillary Clinton, or at least we can hope.

            1. Zucker may have information leading to the arrest of Hillary Clinton, or at least we can hope.


              Hope for what, another convenient suicide?

              1. Arkancide, three bullets in the back of the head. they can but pry him next to Epstein.

  10. Stock up on rice, stores better/longer than potatoes. Stock up on brown rice, it even has a few nutrients in it besides starch.

    Batteries? A generator, even a small one can recharge your cell phones, computers, etc., and even a small one can power your furnace and/or other essential equipment. I’ve powered my furnace in -50° weather when commercial power was out even though my wee generator wasn’t big enough to power the whole house and got through it just fine thank you.

    Currency purchase power? Wouldn’t hurt to keep some silver rounds around. Rational or not such will be accepted as a medium of exchange long after paper money isn’t worth the plastic embedded therein.

    Reading matter? If you can find copies of Audels Mechanics Guides (Audels Welders Guide, Audels Millwrights & Mechanics Guide, Audels Carpenters & Builders Guide, etc., etc.) there’s enough information contained within those covers for dedicated individuals with an eight grade education to re-build at least a 19th century, if not a 20th century civilization. I have to add a caveat to that; I should say anyone with the equivalent of a 1912 eighth grade education, something that many college graduates lack today.

    1. Brown rice goes rancid after a few months, due to the unstable fats in the bran. Rancid fat binds vitamin E, and the resulting catastrophic vitamin E deficiency can cause retinal deterioration. (This is a known cause of blindness in dogs.)

      Potatoes have the advantage that they’re easily made into a perpetual crop, in very little space and with no special requirements or processing equipment. And they contain more micronutrients. The disadvantage, of course, is that in fresh form they don’t keep so well (and must be kept in the dark). Solution: cook, mash, roll out, dehydrate, and crush: instant mashed potatoes, with good shelf life. And replant any that get green or too growthy.

      In my garden this year, mostly or entirely from saved seed:
      Potatoes, onions, peas, sweet corn, carrots, parsnips, tomatoes, melons, squash; all in several varieties.(I don’t eat beans, but they’re another easy one.) Also made the mistake of moving the rhubarb, and now I have a dozen of ’em.

      Strawberries and many other fruits and nuts (hazelnuts are small and hardy) grow well from seed. Pit fruit generally breed true, and some are winter-hardy and self-fertile (notably apricots and bush cherries). Apples from seed often produce well but quality is unpredictable.

        1. Yep. I learned by experience to keep it in the freezer to stop brown rice from turning bitter. That keeps bugs out too. However, that is a good times fix for the problem. I’ve got more valuable things to keep in the freezer right now.

          1. Debugging brown rice; 72 hours in the freezer. There’s a heat cycle that will do it, but I don’t know the numbers. We clear space in the deep freeze when we buy brown rice (no more than 25 pounds at a time; we use enough to use it up before it goes bad).

        2. Vs white rice, which will keep indefinitely. 12 months is “a few months” in my book, and a poor shelf life for something expected to keep for long periods In Case Of Emergency, or worse, In Case Of Long-Term Emergency. Or even just getting snowed in, as I’m already accustomed to preparing for.

          Want a more-nutritious grain that keeps well in more-or-less whole-grain form? Oatmeal in the paper cylinder container. I’ve had some over 10 years old and still perfectly good.

      1. Even apples that produce fruit that is undesirable to eat out of hand can be used to make hard cider and brandy, valuable trade goods in former times, and perhaps again.

      2. Potatoes keep fine in a cold dark place.
        I know. We had a potato cellar. It wasn’t even that cold most of the time. And by next spring the potatoes were wrinkly and sprouting. But if dry and dark, they’ll keep.

            1. mine is a room in the basement on the northwest corner It had a vent to the outdoors for refrigeration as weather allowed, but it was plugged some time in the past.
              It has a pantry above that is not heated as well. In winter the pantry is around 55-60f mostly because I keep the bathroom next to it at 73 or so,

            2. Heh, got me thinking why that is, and realized a lot of basements are upgraded root cellars. (Not ours! … ours is a furnace room. Which they dug a should-have-been-root-cellar next to, for more space.)

            1. I know a tree service that has a bucket truck, and there’s a very nice streetlight at the entrance to our neighborhood that could use some decoration.

        1. Potatoes will keep for a few months, yep. You can prolong that by religiously removing the sprouts, which are what dehydrate the potato into a wrinkly thing. You can improve their keeping qualities drastically (by another several months) by lightly coating them with wax, similar to how some commercial apples are coated to prevent dehydration; this works wonders for the thin-skinnned yellows and whites, which don’t keep well at all compared to the thick-skinned russets. But don’t do that if you intend to plant the leftovers, as it also prevents sprouting.

          I grow enough potatoes that by the time they get sprouty, I’m sick of them anyway, and they go back into the ground for the next crop. This year I had so much surplus that I gave half the sprouties to the neighbor, and still will have more potatoes than I need. I have that farmer disease of can’t see a seed without wanting to plant it. 🙂

          Some sweet potatoes (in my observation, the pale-skinned yellow types) keep as long as a couple years even with no particular care, and you can regrow them from sprouts too. (Even decorative types make edible tubers, if not great quality.)

      3. I’m planting potatoes in my garden – and I’ll plant more, as soon as I get paid for some stuff.
        Herbs – already got a nice selection, fresh from the garden. And the tomato starts I got last fall on sale are starting to produce tomatoes.

    2. Batteries are nice, if they can be charged.
      Generators are nice, if they can be fueled.
      This is a case where *individual* wind and/or solar makes sense – as the OH CRAP backup.

      1. Was about to add that.

        Solar that can run your fridge and keep a small powerwall charged isn’t the worst idea in normal times when storms can take out power for an extended time. These may not be normal times.

          1. The solar part there are various ktis, even Harbor Freight (with mixed reviews). Powerwall? YouTube is your friend.

          2. WPDE; I think it ate my post. We did a system (1200W panel, 3600W inverter, 4.8kiloWatt-hour storage) that would keep our fridge and freezer going. (17 cubic foot fridge, 20 freezer)

            Northern Arizona Wind and Sun offers a similar kit (just panels and the electronics module) for about $5800 (1950W worth of panel). You’d need mounts, batteries, and the garden-hose type cables to complete the system. (Double the cost, maybe?)

            Powerwalls are (from what little I’ve seen) a lot easier to install than lead-acid batteries, but I’m not comfortable with big lithium batteries. I prefer the hazards I’m familiar with.

      2. Wind, solar, hydro, tidal, geothermal, gotta think local, what’s available where you are, for O’crap backup.

        There are youtube videos, folks running normally gasoline powered generators using firewood (wood gasifiers).

        1. get a natural gas one if you can afford it (and have gas) and gasification as a back up.Or a house generator on Nat, and a smaller gasoline one for gas outages.
          and solar
          and wind if viable. I should look at small wind as I am on the shores of Green Bay. It ain’t Alvarado Texas windy, but it is almost always windy.

          1. I’ve researched wind as backup, and it’s just too fiddly. Not enough wind, you get nuthin. Too much wind, you have to dump power to a resistance (water heater, sometimes). Plus maintenance and gawdawful height. I can get useable power on a cloudy day with solar, and the outdoor work is trivial (broom on long handle for snow) and the indoor work is easy (water the batteries, gloves, distilled water and a battery jug.)

            OTOH, really good small hydro is a unicorn, but if you’ve got it, it’s steady power.

            1. I am well shaded at the house, and a solid fence around the back yard. Solar would be well shaded for a long portion of the day, so both solar and wind for me is a bit of a headache. Tall maples, Ash, shade from the east and south, and the house next door is two stories, a few houses over, even bigger maples shade in the evening.
              the joys of town living

            2. Now that you mention it… given the proper equipment, here the summer irrigation ditch would probably do for warm-season power generation… serious slope and runs hard, so turning a turbine wouldn’t be an issue. But first, a turbine and associated equipment…

      3. Me, I’ve lived without electricity enough that I consider it a convenience rather than a necessity. Mainly it’s an annoyance when you have to think about summer food preservation. In winter, no worries!

    3. We can’t eat rice of potatoes. It’s not a matter of “we’ll get fat.” Carbs activate my autoimmune. I’m dealing with our own very weird needs. I think I have enough for a few months and will continue stocking.
      I don’t think civilization will devolve. It hasn’t even in Venezuela.
      I just think it helps to be able to get through by things like repairing and refitting ones own clothes.

      1. It’s like how it was when I was growing up. I didn’t really pay attention to it then, but there were periods of time when I was young that we’d have lots of home made soup for dinner. It often had beans. Halloween costumes weren’t something bought at a store, and sometimes were made by the sewing machine. Etc…

        Now I look back at those times and think “Hmm…”

        We weren’t poor by any means. But my parents paid a lot more attention to their spending than they do now.

      2. > Carbs activate my autoimmune.

        If meat does show up at fire sale prices (and it may, for a short time, as the pipeline clears out), jerky or pemmican will last for a long time.

        1. Meat turned into soup, stew, meat sauce, chili and other variants will store in the freezer for remarkably long times. There are also ways of cooking that stretch small amounts of meat — say, a quarter pound per person — into very filling meals. A chicken breast, sliced and sauteed, can go into a stir fry, creole sauce, or pasta sauce to produce a very satisfying meal.

          When possible, use “stretchers” such as rice and pasta, such as whole grains, that have slow glucose uptake.

            1. So have I – a whole chicken from Granzins’ in New Braunfels, zipped into a vacuum-sealed bag and about a year and a half in the back of the freezer. Tasted as good as ever.
              But vacuum-sealed is the key.

              1. Or if you don’t have a sealer doodad, freeze, then dip in cold water a few times to coat with ice, and bag it as air-free as you can. The key is keep air away from meat. AND have a NON-frost-free freezer, so it’s not being constantly defrosted and refrozen.

      3. For what garden produce you can eat — a friend has similar ‘this ain’t dirt’ issues and he’s using straw bale gardening with great success. Says look it up on Youtube… add nitrogen fertilizer, water it for a couple weeks, and plant. Side benefit, after a few years of this, you have proper soil. (Grass hay, the coarser the better, or regular straw; not compressed straw like they sell for hamsters. Take care not to get it too close to a building; straw can attract ground termites, and will rot whatever it touches.) Dethatching debris from lawns might also work, in a pinch. (Makes great mulch.)

        You should be able to grow hazelnuts (if you have a Tractor Supply, right now they have baby trees of a hardy variety, or you can just plant grocery nuts) — they’re small enough for an urban yard, and a good producer can make up to 40 pounds by its third year. You’ll need two for good pollination. And a Chinese backhoe to break up the dirt for good early root development, but reportedly they don’t require any great soil fertility or special care. I just planted a pair, so we’ll see in due course.

        1. You know, possibly I should find out whether I like hazelnuts. I have been unenthused about most tree nuts I tried, but then chestnuts turned out to be amazing. (My husband liked them but with more reserve and is puzzled by my impression that almonds are bland.)

          I was reading something the other day about truffles and hazelnuts growing well together, to the point that in the author’s area (the UK, I think) you could buy starter sets of them together.

          1. Hazelnuts AKA filberts. Mild flavored, not bitter. American chestnuts suffered some plague a few years back and are mostly no more, tho I gather there are new resistant varieties crossed from Asian types. As a super-super-supertaster, I don’t like bitter stuff (other than chocolate), so that’s my criterion.

            Almonds vary… have noticed some have flavor, some don’t. No idea about varieties there. Bitter = lethal.

            Too bad horse chestnuts are poisonous; I have one here that produces nuts by the bushel. We also have a black walnut that throws lots of nuts, but they’re so bitter they’re inedible (even the squirrels disdain ’em).

            There exist hardy pecans, but the trees get HUGE.

            1. My parents have a neighbor with a pecan tree. It is indeed enormous.

              I also dislike bitter things (chocolate gets well sweetened!), although I have found that some leafy vegetables I find excessively bitter by themselves are muted to a reasonably pleasant freshness when pressed firmly against beef during consumption.

              1. Oh.
                You just solved for me why I hated all vegetables for years, and still can only eat them in mix….
                I mean LOVE peas and corn, but since carbs make me break out, those are RIGHT out.

                1. I am strangely delighted to have confirmation that it’s not just me!

                  It is the weirdest effect to me. I’ve really got to start using it more often. The leaves would be good for me (and a better example than I’m currently setting for the little one(s)). I bet I could get a little cut-and-come-again salad garden going indoors if I tried… might be less overwhelming than trying to go through a bag before it gets slimy.

                2. I dislike most leafy-dark-green veggies — taste bitter and …well, toxic. I only really like tiny baby peas (before they’ve swelled up), and young sweet corn, younger than you can get it at the market. But they’re easy to grow, and I don’t have the misfortune of carb intolerance. In fact generally if a variety is at all bitter — I don’t like it. It’s tough to find carrots that are entirely ‘sweet’.

                  But for those of us with thyroid difficulties, calcium blood level upsets are a thing, and that may contribute to not liking dark greens (oxalic acid binds calcium).

  11. > The Last Centurion

    Due to many recommendations, I tried that one. Bailed about a quarter of the way in.

    It’s another one of his half-ass “alternate timeline” stories, a thinly disguised “President Hillary” one. Most of what I read was simply ripped off from various curent blogs and news articles and presented as way too much backstory. I’ve read all that before, and frankly, I lost interest in following along to see if he was going to get around to any “front story” bits. Pretending it had been published in 2008 was a charming publishing conceit.

    “One star”

    1. Your loss. Half the benefit of that novel is all the stories embedded in the main tale.
      I suppose you feel the same about Niven’s Fallen Angels?
      Or that Heinlein was too “preachy” in his later novels?

      1. Losing “Fallen Angels” partway through through was half the reason I was eager to move to electronic despite my misgivings. Doing the same with Snow Crash was the other half. X_X

        (…I don’t think I ever did get back to either of them either. Something to fix.)

      2. Define later and preachy.

        I found many of his later novels to be hit and miss because the old man just seemed to be going in weird directions. Some I love and count among my favorites, Friday and Job for example, while others left me cold. I don’t see any less preaching in those two, just better integration into the story, less of some of his more esoteric late life obsessions, and more interesting story. YMMV.

        1. I was mostly responding to TRX’s dismissive comment, and wanted to toss in some equally dismissive remarks some Heinlein critics used back in the day.
          I have no problem with “not my cuppa, just couldn’t get into it” about any book. But TRX’s remarks reminded me of the famous criticism from one reviewer about The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, saying they couldn’t get past the first few pages due to the way the author butchered the English language.

          1. Fair.

            That said, Moon is a late work. I consider it either the last early work even though it comes after the first late work, Stranger.

            I mean, sometimes I might argue Friday is early, given my description of it is “a Heinlein juvenile with sex in it”, but the “and sex” part means a lot in terms of themes and idea that exemplify late works. Yes, you could argue the same with Moon, but the emphasis is different IMHO.

            This said, that has made me very interested in the alternate version of Beast being published this year.

            1. Moon and Starship Troopers would each, stricken of the preaching and lecturing, amount to a short story.

              Thing is, few SF (or other) writers lecture and preach as entertainingly as RAH. Such content is not, in and of itself, objectionable or boring.

              There are many reasons to dislike a novel (or work of History) and no need to justify beyond “Not to my liking.” De gustibus non disputandum est is forever a sufficient argument. Agreement (or disagreement) in matters of taste is not evidence of superior (or inferior) judgement. Every man is an island in such regards … although some might be archipelagos.

                1. It does help when there are compelling characters and a coherent plot. When you care about a character and what happens to him you will slog through an amazing amount of exposition without blinking.

                  When you don’t care (or want it to happen sooner and harder) even a short paragraph of the preaching & teaching can be too much.

                2. Assuming the reader isn’t wondering why suffer through a lecture by a character whose knowledge and wisdom are limited, and who offers no other compensations.

                  Sages are a dangerous opportunity for a writer to show off the depths of his shallowness. (And the more abstract the philosophy, the more danger.) Particularly if the other characters find it very deep and giving them much to think on.

              1. Hmmm….not sure if Moon would shrink to short. Too many moving pieces.

                But yes, RAH was able to integrate direct lecturing and preaching into his stories much better than many others. See my comments about Rand elsewhere here. She preached, lectured, and demonstrated the ills in certain interpretations of actions, while only demonstrating her alternatives in many cases. The result is the preaching overwhelms the story (it’s not well integrated preaching either). It leaves the story overdone (I love Atlas Shrugged, but damn does it need a good editor) and the message poorly communicated.

          2. Jeez, I didn’t think I had to add “Closed Captioned for the Humor Impaired” *here*…

            1. Oh good. I thought you were being funny ( “Publishing conceit” and “rehashing current news” made me smile) but then all the other responses made me reassess. ‘ Cos sometimes I don’t grok people.

        2. I loved his juveniles and alternate history, the Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, and Starship Troopers. I didn’t like Stranger or most of his later stuff. at all. Bit gamy for me. Heresy I know, but there you go, Sorry. His preachiness never bothered me, I learned a great life lesson from Heinlein: never assume you know what’s being measured.

          1. Not heresy…there seem to be three kinds of Heinlein fans:

            1. Like stuff across the career
            2. Like stuff up to and including Moon (often excluding Stranger), but not much after.
            3. Like stuff starting at Stranger, but not much before it

            Sounds like you’re comfortably in group #2. I’d probably be in it if not for Job and Friday, yet our hostess, clearly in in group #1 doesn’t like Job.

            Heinlein is vast, he contains multitudes. That’s the saddest part of the SJW deconstruction of him…there is stuff even for them in there, if only they would bother to see.

              1. Now sweetie, in my humble opinion nearly every one of your books that I’ve either edited or just read is at least half as goog, and pretty darned good also.

              2. Maybe not as good, but I’ll reread several of yours before I bother tracking down a copy of Cat again.

                Many of my rereads for any author are not their best written book. For some they are, but how well written a book is and how well the story is told are independent variables. Although, the lit fic crowd and their cult of the sentence is determined to prove they are actually inversely related.

                1. Sometimes an author comes up with some bits that are awesome, but they fail at creating a framework to support them. And sometimes I guess the connective tissue is so obvious to the author that they fail at passing it on to the reader, so the story becomes a series of disconnected vignettes with yawning pits of WTF between them. And sometimes there are things the reader really needs to know for the story to make sense, that the author doesn’t bother mentioning until long after the reader is to the point of throwing the book against the wall. (not quite the same as the previous complaint)

                  As an example, Zelazny’s “Today We Choose Faces.” The book, not to put too fine a point on it, sucks. It has *all* of the above problems; it reads like he threw outlines of at least three different stories together, mailed them off, and the editor went, “Oh, another one of Roger’s ‘experimental’ books, no need for editing.” It doesn’t even make sense, much less a progressive story. Some stuff happens, entirely different stuff happens, more entirely different stuff happens, ta hin gloss of butler-did-it connects a few pieces, “running low on typewriter paper so I guess I’m done.” I was halfway between “annoyed” and “angry” the first time I read it; I’d wasted part of my very limited entertainment funds for garbage.

                  It has a Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Today_We_Choose_Faces Whoever wrote it spent way more time analyzing the story than I did, and I read it at least three times, back when my selection of material was so sparse I re-read even bad books. I think the reviewer is kinder than can be absolutely justified… but there are some scenes and concepts in there that could justify entire novels of their own.

                  I’d wondered if it was just more “experimental” than I could follow, or if it was just a bunch of bits he crudely glued together and sent off. But either way, some of the bits were so $SHINY they’ve stuck with me since I first read the story in the 1970s.

                  I guess the point of all this is that what I primarily expect from an author is to be entertained, using “entertained” in a wider sense than “temporary distraction.” As I said, as a story it sucks, but I’ve thought of it often over the decades, and *dayum* some of those bits are $SHINY… and there’s still a copy on my shelf to glare at, long after “better” books went to the trade pile.

            1. I’m definitely a Group 2. Moon was the last one I really liked. Stranger was… tolerable, glad I read it (cuz cultural references), but didn’t want to read more of it, which is basically what I consider the later stuff. (Have read some, but did not like.)

        3. I don’t know about the timeline, but I know a lot of times you could tell Heinlein had sunk his teeth into an idea; you have the choice of thinking it’s cool, rolling your eyes and rolling with it because the story carried it anyways, or bouncing off, hard.

    2. There’s an obvious stand-in for Hillary. But she’s mostly incidental. The president could have been male, and it wouldn’t have made any difference to the story.

      There are parts that caused me to roll my eyes. But there’s a lot of good stuff in there, as well. I’ve reread it more than once, though I tend to skip portions of it (generally the Middle East stuff) when I do.

    3. He’s one of those authors – Like Kratman, – where I think his essays an articles are better and more enjoyable than a lot of their fiction.

      Or at least I want to tell them: if you want to write a political treatise or article, then write a political treatise or article to get it out of your system, then get back to writing some fiction!

      But I liked Caliphate: that was one where Kratman got the balance between storytelling and punditry perfect.

    4. He’s one of those authors – like Kratman – who have to say I prefer his essays and articles to much of his fiction. At least I want to tell them: if you want to write an essay or an article, write an essay or an article, then get back to fiction!

      I liked Caliphate. That was one where he struck a perfect balance between storytelling and punditry.

  12. For some time now I’ve had the suspicion, not just from their politicians but from their artists that the left has absolutely no clue where food comes from

    They do not. It is clear they believe in magic. That is they believe if they will something to happen or exist it happens or is created regardless of what actions beyond just willing it that take.

    I have long been critical of this part of Galt’s speech from Atlas Shrugged

    Your teachers, the mystics of both schools, have reversed causality in their consciousness, then strive to reverse it in existence. They take their emotions as a cause, and their mind as a passive effect. They make their emotions their tool for perceiving reality. They hold their desires as an irreducible primary, as a fact superseding all facts. An honest man does not desire until he has identified the object of his desire. He says: ‘It is, therefore I want it.’ They say: ‘I want it, therefore it is.’

    My complaint has always been: “They hold their desires as an irreducible primary, as a fact superseding all facts. An honest man does not desire until he has identified the object of his desire. He says: ‘It is, therefore I want it.’” I think that line undermined her principle thesis about man’s mind being his principle advantage. Man’s mind clearly can desire what does not exist and then strive to create it.

    I still consider this criticism valid. By claiming existence is required for desire she renders Reardon’s desire to create Reardon metal, to pick the most prominent example from the novel, dishonest, which is clearly not her intent.

    However, the more I observe AOC, Bernie, and their supporters I understand what this passage is really attacking. I still think the framing of the impossibility of desiring something that does not exist renders much of the book meaningless and would have been better framed by saying the honest man says “It is, therefore I want it, or it is not, therefore I will work to create it,” but I do understand who she referenced with the “I want it, therefore it is” and the possibility that they are common enough to require pointing out.

    1. It is similar to the concept of “altruism”, which though thoroughly corrupt even now, is pure as the driven snow compared to the philosophy Rand was attacking.

      1. I think bringing up alturism as a second shows my big problem with the Rand I have read. She does not provide anything to explain what the definitions should be.

        The entire novel attacks altruism, but one of the major plot reveals turns on Dagney making an act of charity that by all appearances goes against everything the book preaches. Yes, in Rand’s philosophy you can a moral justification for Dagney’s act, but given how strongly the book attacks failure to do so gives the book an appearance of incoherence. If the story alone is to convey the difference, then omit the lectures on how it is wrong. If you must lecture, make the lectures complete (which is on reason Starship Troopers survives how much lecturing is in it).

      2. There is no such thing as altruism. Nobody does anything without expecting to gain from it.

        For some, the reward is a sense of accomplishment. ‘Paying back’ or ‘paying forward’ to make the world a better place. Usually found among those who donate their own efforts or money.

        For others, it is a smug sense of self-satisfaction, or a feeling that they are better than everybody else. Commonest among those that practice charity with other people’s money.
        ———————————
        There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him.

        1. You don’t need to Rand-reee at me; I am well aware of how bankrupt the literal definition of “selflessness” is, and everything based off of that.

        2. I took a Social Psych class at UofA back in the ’00s. We spent an entire class period arguing about the question of altuism. The bulk of the class agreed with you; but I put forth a counter argument, based off legal theory.

          In classical jurisprudence, a crime requires two parts: a bad act and a bad thought in it’s simplest terms. This is the basis of the not-guilty by reason of insanity plea.

          My adaptation was that if you perform an act, even if you ultimately benefit from that act, and you have no conscious awareness that said act could or would benefit you, you have acted altruistically.

          1. you have no conscious awareness that said act could or would benefit you

            That seems suspiciously like a defense by stupidity.

            If a man pisses on somebody, unaware that by so doing he put out a fire, does that render his act altruistic?

            (N.B. – I realize that does not meet the description proposed, but it seems much funnier this way.)

            1. Even if he was unaware of the fire, he still gained an empty bladder. Pissing ON somebody had to involve some sort of motivation.

              Nobody does anything without expecting to gain from it in some way.

              1. There is no such thing as altruism.

                Please define your terms. There’s no such thing as unicorns, but that doesn’t make Rhinoceroeses imaginary.

                Or to put t it another way, the fact that most people are completely and utterly inept at even basic arithmetic, doesn’t falsify the calculus.

                  1. If you do something for, or give something to, a family member, do you not gain from your act? Buy a gift for your parents, build a swing for your children, and if you care about them you will benefit, just in a way that has nothing to do with money.

                    ‘Doing for the tribe’ is one of our defaults, one we all benefit from. It’s one of the traits missing from sociopaths.

                    1. Jump to the end of that line of argument– if you do something good because you believe it is a good thing to do, then you “gain” that your desire to do good is fulfilled.

                      That is, if you want to do good, then you gain that you get to do good.

                      Which is just silly.

    2. One thing that gets me about Rand: she’s so dismissive of collaborative effort – there’s no such thing as a collective brain! – but history is full of examples of scientific breakthroughs by people working together.

      Also, I can’t help but notice within the context of the story, Galt invents an engine that literally produces power out of the air.

          1. The breakthroughs happened before Groves signed on. Manhattan was engineering and applied research. That’s why the big guns like Einstein and Bohr weren’t there.

  13. “why does the president continue to go along with it?”

    I don’t KNOW anything, but imagine the effect on the people attacking Trump if they confidently set up systemic vote fraud and Trump CATCHES them with their hand in the cookie-jar up to the armpit.

    Maybe Trump can’t pull it off, but I have far more expectation of competence from him than I do from the concatenation of nitwit panjandrums running the Democrat party.

    1. On the other hand, he is apparently a germophobe.

      Actual phobias can make rational calculation quite challenging. This might be his weak spot.

      I have, or at least had, a phobia of dogs. He might be able to think rationally about the topic, and he might not be caught up in the fear.

      1. He’s also able to overcome that germophobia. Said as much about handshaking — he didn’t like it, but learned to do it because it was expected in politics.

        Have observed he’s very much able to change his mind and turn on a dime — doesn’t get stuck defending outdated information. Unlike most politicians, for whom “I changed my mind” is anathema, because the news media is always willing to jump on it with “But you said last week…”.

    2. THIS!
      Do not forget that President Trump owns the DOJ for at least until Jan 20, 2021.
      Or that he watched, as we all did, how Obama weaponized the FBI, IRS, and countless other Federal agencies as well as packing the lower courts with leftist judges.
      Trump has aggressively pursued filling the courts with more conservative judges, not to mention his actions with SCOTUS.
      Of course the left will do everything in their power to cheat their way into a win this coming election. They learned their lesson as to what happens when they slack off assuming a shoe in win back in 2016. But they cannot help but over reach assuming of course that any discrepancies will be obfuscated by a compliant media. The thing is their media fellow travelers have already utterly destroyed nearly all their credibility in just three short years of Trump. They have little if any remaining capital to play with.
      No matter what else might happen, I feel that I can predict with complete confidence that the fall election and the aftermath will be both long and ugly.

      1. I have little faith in the value of Trump “owning” the DOJ. Well into his presidency the DOJ and the FBI were actively trying to have him removed from office. No one has paid any price for doing so and several people have gotten rich.

        Based on that, I do not think Trump owns any part of the executive branch beyond the WH staff.

        1. Having watched him work, I think it likely that he has control of segments of the DOJ. Maybe not enough, but I really think that if the Democrats are as overconfident AND sloppy about stealing 2020 as they have shown themselves to be on other matters over the last few years that they may be in for an EPIC reaming.

          1. I would sleep better believing this but he has had examples aplenty to date and has not cleaned house. Why I do not know…

              1. Didn’t stop prior admins from firing all DOJ lawdogs and hiring the ones the admin wanted

                1. Well, actually, it did. You’re confusing US Attorneys with the DOJ bureaucrats, FBI agents, etc.. And even there, you have to consider how many of Trump’s appointees who genuinely shared his views made it through a background and clearance process run by the same people assisting the coup.

  14. The cases I’ve heard about flocks and herds being slaughtered are all contract growers — they don’t own the livestock, they just sharecrop it for the corporate overlord. The problem is that centralized distribution meant that only very large operations were viable, and if you have fewer than 25,000 head of beef cattle, or less than a semi-load of milk or eggs, the transport that serves the centralized plants won’t even talk to you. THIS is what happened to the family farm and ranch, which now had to sell and consolidate just to get big enough that they still had a market.

    And I suspect too that this is corporate overlords taking advantage of an opportunity to shed their thinnest margins and write off those unsalable business not-quite-assets: absent bankruptcy, you can’t reasonably shut down a hog barn, a slaughterhouse, or a rendering plant, because then you’re liable for all sorts of goofy hazardous waste mitigation.

    We needed a return to the local producer and local processor anyway. There’s been some effort toward that here in the Northern Wastes (frex, we have eggs, dairy, beef, sugar, and flour that are entirely grown and processed in state).

    Megacities, tho — that’s the WHY of centralized distribution, and that’s what will suffer from its lack.

    1. And I suspect too that this is corporate overlords taking advantage of an opportunity to shed their thinnest margins and write off those unsalable business not-quite-assets

      Ding!

      Related is the concern about massive foreclosures everywhere. Right now the entire financial system is carefully pretending that what is happening isn’t happening. Everyone knows that triggering (or allowing automatic triggers of) cascading foreclosures over missing payments it going to screw everyone.

      The concept of “Force Majeure” exists for a reason. We will pay for this, but it won’t be that way.

        1. A lot of family farms are sharecropping like this, because they got underwater on their own (in large part due to increasing centralization making small operations untenable), and sharecropping is a steady paycheck without the annual debt cycle; they still own the land, and maybe the buildings, but nothing else. But it’s also why they have to rely on the packer’s supply chain to feed the livestock. Independents usually grow their own feed, or use local suppliers. (A lot of soybean production is also sharecropped, but that’un I wouldn’t mourn if the whole thing went under. Food of the devil, it is.)

          We need a return to more localized processing and distribution for everything we can grow ourselves — it would immensely help the smaller growers, as well as getting rid of single-point-of-failure for the consumer market.

      1. “Corporate overlords” have responsibilities to investors and limited resources, just like anybody else. It is only prudent to act to conserve resources and assets in advance of a potentially extended economic constriction.

        Do not mistake and misdirect anger against intelligent response to circumstances when it’s proper target is the ones shaping those circumstances.

        1. I’m not raging against them. This is a perfect time to do things you needed to do anyway but couldn’t due to any number of reasons.

          1. A lot of the problem is also government regulations/ Smaller family farms/ranches, etc., CAn’t sell directly to local markets, etc., because the FDA and USDA prohibit them from doing so, because they won’t give them the government seal of approval because they don’t have government inspectors at all the mandated spots in the supply chain. I.E. the government prohibits them from adapting in a way that enables the business to survive.

            1. Excellent point, and another reason why the system tilted so heavily toward centralization.

              However, there must be a break point somewhere low down, because here in Montana we have a number of producers who sell direct. My sister buys half a bison from one of ’em every year.

              1. A re-visitation of current Commerce Clause doctrine, eliminating Federal “oversight” of purely intrastate commerce, might encourage exactly such decentralization.

                Which is why it is unlikely ever to occur.

    2. Only recently have I seen the milk trucks driving around. For a while they were missing because the filters were sourced from the Middle Kingdom, and even when they wanted to ship they couldn’t.
      Most of these are farmer owned. Ed’s Dairy Farm Tanker Trucks INC. also picks up from some of his buddies and they sell it to whoever (cheese places much of the time).
      This AM a shorty (3-4,000 gallon sized tank) and an 18 wheeler were in front of me driving through town.
      I think both are out of Dagget.

    1. As the law o longer stands the Court can reasonably declare the case moot. That does not establish a precedent making the law valid and leaves open the Court declaring any such law, if enacted, invalid.

      Contra Ian’s assertion, Roberts has NOT screwed us, he has merely pressed Lady Liberty against a wall and slipped his hand under her skirt — he has Bidened us. There is a difference.

      1. I think the New York Sun’s editorial best summarizes this:

        Supreme Court Dodges the Second Amendment
        The decision of the Supreme Court to dodge the latest case on gun rights invites the question: Where is Mr. Bumble when we need him? The aptly named antagonist is the Charles Dickens character who, upon being told he was responsible for the actions of his wife, uttered one of the most famous — and profound — formulations in the history of the law. “If the law supposes that,” he declared, “the law is an ass.”

        What the Supreme Court just supposed is that it couldn’t rule on a law prohibiting persons in New York City from carrying a legally owned gun to an out-of-town range or residence from a range or residence in town. That these are the inches of freedom for which New Yorkers are forced to go all the way to the Supreme Court to fight is itself a scandal in a country whose constitution protects the right to keep and bear arms.

        Yet no sooner did the Supreme Court agree to hear their case than the legislators at New York changed the law to give what the Supreme Court characterized this morning was as “the precise relief that petitioners requested” in their “prayer for relief.” In fact, it wasn’t even a figment of the “precise relief” sought by the plaintiffs, led by the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association.

        The precise relief the plaintiffs wanted was a review by the Supreme Court that would restore, to quote their petition for a writ of certiorari, “the rigor of the test that secures numerous individual rights.” And would “underscore” that the Court “meant what it said” in the Heller and McDonald gun rights cases. They wanted the court to vouchsafe their rights. Instead, they got a case of Supreme Court Dodgeball.

        It’s not our intention here to dispute the importance of the cases and controversies clauses of the Constitution. The clauses are the principal limit on the power of the judicial branch, confining it to deciding actual disputes (and denying it the power of issuing merely advisory opinions). If New York repealed the law being challenged, the court majority apparently reasoned, what case could be left?

        Enough that three of the justices thought the court should go ahead and decide the matter. The majority didn’t issue a signed opinion, but dissenters — Justices Thomas, Alito, and Gorsuch — did. It was a humdinger, written by Justice Alito. “By incorrectly dismissing this case as moot,” he wrote “the Court permits our docket to be manipulated in a way that should not be countenanced.”

        [END EXCERPT]

        The most charitable explanation is that the Court prefers to await a case more likely to gain a 6-3 or greater majority or otherwise wishes to await a stronger case to establish a precedent in favor of Second Amendment rights. The uncharitable explanation is there are several gelded Justices sitting on that bench.

  15. Up today at PJM:

    A Plague of ‘Credentialed’ Experts
    By Sarah Hoyt
    Someday 2020 will be behind us, and we’ll tell our kids and grandkids about the year we were smitten by the plague.

    By which I don’t mean COVID-19, which is at best a nasty disease with death tolls the equivalent of a bad flu year – if we accept the numbers we’re being fed by an establishment desperate to cash in on the cash bonus for each COVID-19 diagnosis – but the plague that has laid this country low, destroyed our economy and brought us to a place that no external enemy could have brought: this plague of experts. Or perhaps I should say “experts” since most of them have behind them only a long string of failed prognostications, followed by promotion within the “civil servant” echelons.

    Yes, I am talking about Doctors Birx and Fauci. I’m already seeing people pointing fingers at the president and complaining that he’s relied too much on these “experts.”

    In fact, some months ago I saw people complaining in the comments at one of the conservative sites that the president hires “establishment” people which he then has to fire. Why can’t he hire the people who will be good and not beholden to the – largely left – political establishment?

    Which brings us to the real plague of experts. …

  16. Also at PJ Media, for VIP members (if you’ve not already joined, supplying the code word “HOYT” will get you a discount):

    Unless Our Intended Destination Is Venezuela, It’s Time to Open Everything and Get Back to Work
    By Sarah Hoyt
    I’ve been screaming about this for at least a month, perhaps because I’ve seen this movie before, but I think it is time to admit that the cure for Covid-19 is in fact much, much worse than the nothingburger disease that inspired it.

    Right now governors – mostly Democrats – are holding on by their fingernails to the narrative that “the lockdown saved millions of lives,” which is – looking at the numbers from Sweden – at best a fallacy and at worst outright deception.

    As study after study shows that it’s likely the virus was here before the beginning of the year, and in fact that many more people already have antibodies to it than expected, we hear that all these studies are “problematic” or “discredited.” Except that in the U.S. and abroad all of these studies keep corroborating each other and coming up with a mortality rate much lower than anyone could have anticipated.

    The illusion that we heroically saved millions from death by throwing millions more into the maw of a collapsing economy, which will almost certainly result in collapsed supply chains and outright famine in places this Winter – and if we’re very lucky those places won’t be in the U.S., but don’t bet on it – will be maintained as long as they can maintain the lockdown. The minute people are out there and talking to friends and peer group, and away from the pervasive influence and narrative of TV news, it will vanish.

    It will vanish for the same reason that people haven’t been buying the news alternate universe for a long time now: because they will come in contact with people who have different experiences, which deny the carefully chosen and spoonfed left-view of the world that is spun by TV news.

    Once they’re out and meeting with friends, they’ll realize no one in their circle, really, personally knows anyone who died. …

    1. Further on the topic of media malfeasance … this simply stinks:

      ‘I remember the fingers’: Former neighbor of Biden sexual assault accuser corroborates allegation
      A former neighbor of the woman who accused former Vice President Joe Biden of sexual assault publicly vouched for the accuracy of the allegation.

      Tara Reade recently came forward to allege Biden, when she worked for him as a Senate staff assistant in 1993, pushed her up against the wall and penetrated her with his fingers. Biden’s presidential campaign has vehemently denied the allegation.

      In the time since Reade came out with her allegation, her brother and an unnamed friend have backed up her story, saying they were told either about the assault or harassment at the time.

      A former neighbor of Reade’s from the 1990s, Lynda LaCasse, corroborated Reade’s version of events to Business Insider on Monday.

      “I remember her saying, here was this person that she was working for and she idolized him,” LaCasse said. “And he kind of put her up against a wall. And he put his hand up her skirt and he put his fingers inside her. She felt like she was assaulted, and she really didn’t feel there was anything she could do.”

      “She was upset. And the more she talked about it, the more she started crying. I remember saying that she needed to file a police report,” LaCasse explained, before acknowledging that she doesn’t “remember all the details,” but does “remember the skirt. I remember the fingers.”

      LaCasse, a former medical staff coordinator and emergency room clerk, and Reade lived next to one another in 1995 and 1996 in an apartment complex near the beach in Morro Bay, California. LaCasse said Reade confided in her because they had a close connection because they were both mothers and their young daughters would swim in the complex’s pool together.

      “She didn’t ask me to [come forward],” LaCasse said. “I volunteered to do that just recently. If this was me, I would want somebody to stand up for me. It takes a lot of guts to do what she’s doing.”

      Business Insider also found another person with whom Reade interacted in the 1990s who said she was told of the alleged assault.

      After she left Washington, D.C., Reade worked for California state Sen. Jack O’Connell, at which time one of his legislative staffers, Lorraine Sanchez, began mentoring Reade. The two worked with one another from 1994-1996.

      “[Reade said] she had been sexually harassed by her former boss while she was in DC,” Sanchez said, adding, “and as a result of her voicing her concerns to her supervisors, she was let go, fired.”

      Sanchez said she doesn’t remember whether Reade mentioned Biden by name or even went into detail about the alleged assault, but she does remember “reassuring her that nothing like that would ever happen to her here in our office, that she was in a safe place, free from any sexual harassment.”

      Earlier this month, Reade filed an incident report with the D.C. police that said she “disclosed that she was the victim of a sexual assault which was committed by Subject-2 in 1993.” Reade said she filed an incident report for “safety reasons,” establishing a paper trail in case “something happened to me.” Reade said she wanted to show that she is serious about her allegation as it is illegal to make a false police report.

  17. The most pressing issue our Senate Minority Leader can find for that House to address:

    Schumer Introduces Bill to Stop Trump from Putting His Name on Relief Checks
    Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.) is proposing a bill to ban President Trump from signing coronavirus checks, calling the current practice “a waste of time and money” and the “exploitation of taxpayer money for promotional material.”

    Schumer’s legislation, titled the “No PR Act,” blocks the use of federal dollars to promote Trump or Vice President Mike Pence’s names or signatures with any future coronavirus economic relief.

    “President Trump unfortunately appears to see the pandemic as just another opportunity to promote his own political interests,” Schumer told Politico in a statement. “The No PR Act puts an end to the president’s exploitation of taxpayer money for promotional material that only benefits his re-election campaign.”

    [END EXCERPT]

    Because if there’s one thing the Democrats have long opposed, it is Republicans wasting time and money; that’s their job!

    1. Ted Cruz should enter a bill requiring prior to removing Trump’s name that the federal government develop time travel and remove all those BS Recovery Act signs from 2009-2012.

  18. their experience is with a relatively prosperous, well-fed country where the citizens can travel to other states when your state has gone insane. (And alas bring their mentally deficient voting patterns, but that’s something else.)

    The ones fleeing are escaping the extremists enabled by their moderate voting and opposition to far-right extremist racism offered as alternative. Their stance is along the lines of the old joke, “Can’t I just do it until I need glasses?”

  19. From now on, throw nothing away. … Store what food you can.

    The contractor was out here last week, repairing hail damage to the garage & barn roofs. He was so excited when I told him to leave all of the all of the old (steel) roofing material for me. I probably won’t use everything on the greenhouse, but I’ll store it for future projects.

    Went to visit Mom last summer, and (to her delight) hauled all of the old canning equipment back with me. Now to sign up for a class on water-bath canning, and finish the darned greenhouse so seedlings can be transplanted (& not freeze during the May snow season).

    1. I can’t can for the life of me. I’ve bought a decent dehydrator and will start on that today.
      If/When kids move out of apartment, I’m buying grow lights and their sun room shall be my hothouse.

      1. Good Lord, woman! You have a mathematician, a med student, and an engineer at hand. Delegate!

        For that matter, just declare it “guy work” and point to whichever shelf you want the finish product placed in. If they want to eat, they’ll figure things out.

    2. Pressure canning isn’t hard, either. I trust it more, too. Of course, I’ve been canning meat broth and soups, which require pressure for safety. Don’t be intimidated, though.

      1. Been meaning to learn to do that since I learned how to make my own spam. I figure I can make it and pack the wide mouth jelly jars and pressure seal them, leaving me with a large supply of my own to eat instead of buying it in bulk.

      2. Water bath canning was easy at sea level, but it’s a little dodgy up here. The pressure canner didn’t make the move from Cali, so we’re either freezing or dehydrating. (Hmm, another destination for surplus carrots.)

          1. Hmm, we dehydrate tomatoes in the fall and keep them in the pantry. They’re good til they run out late summer. (Actually, we’re running behind this year, so we’ll have a stock.) We dehydrate until we have tomato chips. (About 20 hours on our small Nesco unit with 4-6 trays. Good for $SPOUSE’s chicken and sauce.

            I can see not wanting/not being able to can in Denver. Our elevation makes it tough enough.

            1. I have a big Nesco dehydrator. It never gets tomatoes dry enough to keep without wanting to mold, no matter how long you leave ’em (and it gets pretty hot and has a big fan… wondering if it’d do better with the lid off). However, it shrinks a five gallon bucket of tomatoes into a pint bag for freezing, and that’s good enough. Well, whatever of ’em survive the process… seasoned half-dried tomatoes being rather too tasty. 😀

              1. The corsori is new and I hope to set it up today. First up, cauliflower. If it works, I’m getting a subscription to a local farm, and keeping it going. I’m thinking getting a college-dorm sized fridge, if we can afford it, to keep things in won’t hurt.

                1. I have an old round type “convection oven” that … well, I only tried to cook chicken in it ONCE. Dried it up to more like jerky. If I can find the thing, it might be the ticket for finishing stuff that doesn’t want to fully dry in the Nesco.

                  Never tried drying cauliflower, but did you know the entire plant is edible? And it all tastes the same! Roots like hawsers, with nodules that look and taste just like the flower heads.

                  Did try drying cucumber (since the durn things produce far more than I can eat). OMG bitter, a rival to the horrid black walnuts. Took half an hour of spitting to get rid of the taste.

                  I got a small older freezer (not frost free) off Craigslist for $50 delivered… ugly but works fine, uses very little power, and isn’t much bigger than a dorm fridge. But as to those dorm fridges… don’t bother. Had one as my sole fridge for a decade… worked well enough for small things, short term. Definitely not up to use for routine storage; just didn’t get cold enough, and the freezer was just slightly better than a joke (even tho it was a high-end model as they go, with a separate freezer compartment). And fridges are not good for dry storage; stuff tends to mold.

                  Freecycle or Craigslist is the way to go… new units are just too expensive, and when you get down to new-cheap, well, they’re designed to be disposable.

    3. The book you want to buy is “Putting Food By” if you want to get into canning/preserving. It has a lot of detail about general processes and safe methods and acidity and altitude adjustments. I can way more than I normally use in a given year and a lot of neighbors are subjected to jars of fruit/jam/pickles/etc. With the way things are going this year, I might be hanging onto a lot more of it.

        1. Yes, that one is good too, and I have it. It’s more recipes to follow while Putting Food By is more about processes and procedures. It also covers more than the Ball book because it discusses drying, root cellaring, and other methods of preservation as well where Ball just covers canning.

          Sarah, I’m in UT, and while we are a little lower in elevation than Denver, increasing the acidity and the time in a water bath should work– according to Putting Food By, adding 15 minutes to whatever the processing time is will compensate at Denver altitudes (and you’ll want to leave more head room in the jars)– and there’s always pressure canning. That will work at any altitude. The downside (for me) to pressure canning is that it takes longer to do (because you have to wait for the canning pot to come down to local air pressure before you can start the next batch). I’ve remedied this by having two pressure canning pots, and alternating between them so one is cooking on the stove while the other is cooling and depressurizing. That’s a bit of an investment, though, so you may not want to do that.

      1. Thanks, seems there are plentiful copies for around five bucks. Also available to borrow on archive.org.

  20. if like me most of your money is made on line and by virtue of computer work: get batteries. I doubt power will go out completely, but extra batteries for your laptop can be charged and held ready if it becomes erratic.

    Spring for an uninterruptible power supply, preferably one which will allow an hour or two of operation. Because having your computer operational won’t do as much good if your cable modem is without power.

  21. When the elections are massively rigged in November and the left’s spokeszombie or wicked Uncle Bernie win? Well, the left will find out that hungry and angry people don’t roll over like a contented and fat populace does.

    When that happens the news will be full of reporting that this is all the result of Trump’s mismanagement and that is why his reelection was denied.

    If they’ll sell us the flattened curve of Obama’s economy was holdover from Bush and the rising economy of Trump’s pre-COVID economy was the beneficiary of Obama’s policies, there is nothing they won’t peddle.

    We can count on Recovery Summers until the End Times come.

  22. Washington State is vote by mail, 100%. Now you know why WA Gov. Inslee has a lock on Governor for Life.

    Another thing I haven’t heard mentioned yet. What about the “boy who cried wolf” effect? Once the full story of the perpetration of this self-inflicted wound is known, and the crushing consequences, what will be the effect on the ability, and more importantly the willingness, of the people to respond NEXT time?! And what if next time is, cruelly, the “real thing”!?

    Is the ubiquitous advice that we wash our hands repeatedly destined to be horribly ironic for those who have lured us into complacency? If their perfidy actually does kill millions in the future, the Democrats and their media running dogs may well be trying to wash their hands in vain for eternity! Perhaps they will stand in line at the basins alongside Pontius Pilat himself? Sufficient hot water won’t be a problem, I’m sure.

    1. I mentioned the potential for crying wolf claims a few weeks ago. Unfortunately, there’s not much that we can do about it. We won’t even know how much of a potential issue this is until after the current restrictions have been pulled back, and people start chattering amongst themselves.

      And in the meantime, there are some current pressing issues to address.

    2. What about the “boy who cried wolf” effect?

      Yep, I’ve been thinking about this lately. I’d have much more respect for the “experts” if they were willing to own up to an initial overreaction & say “hey, this is difficult in some areas of the country, but no so bad in other places. Let’s use general guidelines such as A, B, C and return to normal in these places … “

      1. This – after seeing how awful the so-called experts and the political class have made this Wu-Flu crisis through overreaction – how many of us are going to think “won’t be fooled again” when the next mega-crud comes out of China … as we damn-near know it will.

        1. Horrifying thought: what if this was a practice run? As in:

          Arse around with a mammalian virus, release it, and manipulate median etc, to prompt an over-reaction.

          That over-reaction then inoculates (as it were) the West to reacting quickly to another virus, as 19/20 was fog in a hat.

          Release an engineered virus that is incredibly lethal, such as the HN in The Last Centurion or the Plague in Black Tide Rising and completely torch the West.

          1. That was “Jitterbug” from Mike McQuay, back in 1984. Blend the worst parts of Ringo and Kratman to get a world where an Islamic-engineered plague took out most of the unbelievers and the dar-al-Islam rules the post-apocalyptic shithole that’s what’s left of human civilization. Way more dystopic than I cared for…

      2. This, plus add in the won’t release their flawed models and data for review.

        I do mathematical modeling. We run ours every day, are in an area mostly well known (we are flirting at the edge of knowledge right now), have pretty well understood limitations, and test accuracy against PnL every day.

        And it is still hard for us.

        It isn’t that they were wrong and decided to give overly conservative advise based on being wrong that gals me. It is the unwillingness to own up they were wrong, the hiding of being wrong which will lead to not learning from it, and doubling down on being wrong while the over reaction is breaking other things.

        Error I can forgive. Arrogance I cannot. It is much more deadly.

        1. The difference with your models is that you are professionally and legally accountable for them. Screw up and you are out of a job. Screw up Big Time and you are out of a job and sued for everything you’re worth.

          You do not enjoy the same luxuries as government or even academic model makers. Your product cannot be excused for poisoning people. There is no public benefit from, as Jocelyn Elders put it, “preserving public confidence” in your reliability.

          1. It is important to ‘preserve public confidence’ in ‘authorities’ that are frequently wrong, and proven wrong. It’s Politically Correct Science. They’re so wrong you can’t even be right by believing the opposite of what they say.

            I’m afraid my ‘confidence’ in them went bye-bye a loooong, looooong time ago, and thar ain’t no gittin’ it back.

            1. I’m not sure in which my confidence waned first, them or the Tooth Fairy.

              At least claiming to believe in the Tooth Fairy produced tangible benefits.

                1. I want to argue that benefits, by definition are positive.

                  I want to argue that but due consideration of the tortures wreaked o the language by the Left convinces me that it is, indeed, an important distinction. But there remains one problem.

                  Does anybody know the current meaning of positive?

              1. “If you don’t behave, the Tooth Fairy is coming back! And *next* time she’s bringing the PLIERS!”

  23. You still see left wing sources mentioning that South Dakota had no lockdown and is now suffering an extreme outbreak. They never mention that it’s a meat processing plant, which would not have been closed anyway. So why do they do that? Do I even have to say?

    1. Also worth noting about the SD pork plant – the reason that they found so many sick workers there is because they were apparently testing much more aggressively than is happening elsewhere.

      1. And the plant isn’t the problem it appears. It is the workers living six and seven to a one or two bedroom apartment that spread things.

      2. Ditto the plant in Cactus, TX. One of the channels had footage of the guys loading up to commute to the plant, and they ignored all of the “social distancing” things that everyone has been asking for, and that the company provided. It appears (at least based on the TV news) that the plant is trying, but cultural complications are fueling the spread.

      3. And a pork plant belonging to a company which had recently been bought by the Chinese. Not like that matters, or anything.

  24. It’s interesting how skeptical the average person in my area is. I was in the grocery store shopping and saw a group of young women talking, definitely not keeping “social distance”, so I pulled the old shame on you finger thing. They laughed and when I said the whole thing was unnecessary, they agreed, with additional comments. It’s “for the At Risk” is taking on the same flavor as “Think of the Children.”

    Maybe, just maybe this will create its own immunization. One can hope.

  25. (wouldn’t let me post in the main page, hopefully this works)

    I haven’t seen reports on the dairy herds, wasted pigs or killing peepers– but my information is in ag circles. Just double-checked the Capital Press in case I missed something, they don’t have anything on that level.

    I would guess that the news is a normal sad story that got out and mutated.

    There are always dairies that are going out of business, and yes it does gut you to think of the years of careful selection involved that just went down the drain– assuming that the original story wasn’t actually a more standard “straw that broke the camel’s back” from current milk prices, in which case the if the selection was actually good, the young/productive cattle have been sold for use and only the marginal older cattle are going for hamburger.

    Well, eventually going for hamburger, because that’s the other problem– slaughter and processing are randomly shut down for COVID-19 positive tests. Which is the only reason that I’m not dismissing the pig story out of hand as a mutated disease prevention situation. BUT– I did my shopping trip, and both of the news type stations I listened to were talking about it, one even had a pig council rep on, and they were talking about shifting gears in making pigs gain weight slower, and trying to find places to keep them. There were several points where if some legitimate producer had been forced to slaughter and burry his animals instead of selling them, it would’ve been powerful to bring it up.

    Why do I say legitimate producer? Because I know some of the hobby-farms I grew up around would do crazy stuff like that all the time– be “forced to sell their herd,” or “times are so tough we were forced to put down every pig we owned” and not mention that this is less than 30 animals all combined. (For comparison’s sake, my cousin’s hobby type pig farm was almost up to 100 animals before their barn burned down; I don’t know how many sows, which I would guess is the important question.)
    Basically, the “drinking bleach because it kills germs” level event.

    Chickens…well, there’s a reason that the PETA perverts always seem to go for chicken farms. Chickens die very easily, they look pathetic, and it’s really easy to misconstrue pretty much any management choices because if you have them in a group, they’ll try to peck at least one of the group to death, and if you don’t, they can wail about how lonely it is.

    In contrast, weeks ago I know there were apple sellers in Washington that hauled the product they couldn’t get processed and shipped out into the parking lot and invited folks to come down and load up. Iowa is reopening the farmer’s markets because of the folks who only sell through those being, obviously, hurt. We might actually be in a slightly better position because….would’ve been about mid-March, I think, there was a lot of talk about how pork producers were shipping stuff over to China as fast as they could get boats, because of the swine flu hurting their supplies(part of why the Easter hams were notably more expensive than Christmas).
    So there might be a bit more slack here than there would be usually, not that that’s saying much when animals are involved.

    It’s possible my news sources are just strangely behind, but it just seems a lot more likely that someone reported stuff and didn’t have the background to know it’s not unheard of.

      1. I really, really hope that the reports are in fact overblown– it’s always possible I’ve missed something– and that it was actually an innocent chunk of reporting.

        …that said, I am getting a feeling like that article I’ve mentioned, where they were reporting that about a minute before the shooting, the officer’s chest cam stopped recording.
        And then when you dig around long enough– like five, ten link deep, searchign for names, so on– you finally find one that has the video, and it quit recording because the dead bastard broke it with a shovel while he was trying to kill the officer who a short time later, shot him.

        That is, someone knew the real story, and spun it into something they knew would upset people, and hid the information.

        I really hope I’m wrong, and it was just somebody who didn’t realize that this stuff happens, and they hadn’t ever looked into ag stuff before, and reported it as honestly as they could…but my gut is insisting that someone wants us scared.

        1. I hope it’s not as bad as it sounds either. But I’m getting ready for the possibility that it isn’t.

      1. I found it!

        It’s not pigs– it’s the number of pigs a breeding operation couldn’t move, so he had to do chemical abortions on his farrowing sows to prevent over-crowding.

        https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-livestock-insight-idUSKCN2292YS

        Which is still horrible, and I’m still cautious because the only source I can find is the Reuters and stuff that’s rephrasing it, but is a totally different investment.

        ******

        I’ve found a lot of stuff saying they MAY HAVE TO euthanize, including from the Iowa pork association, but the only name and statement that anything has happened that I have found is about this fellow, and if he’s the Allan Van Beek I’ve found poking around looking for business sizes, he’s primarily a corn farmer, and has been for nearly 40 years. (Which makes expanding into feeder pigs an awesome plan, but also has an effect on the kind of choices he makes.)

        Usually I’d at least be able to find some kind of information on what kind of numbers he usually moves, what part of the pig business he’s in, etc. Possible he sells mostly by contract, or…oh, who knows.

    1. Thanks, that was what I was wondering. I’m well past assuming any MSM or even Bankside Media horror story is a mix of ignorance and hysteria coating the basic facts.

    2. Yeah, like a few years ago some PETA type got hold of a story of some farmer cruelly killing all their “young hens” because economic downturn something something. Not mentioned was that it was normal flock turnover, given laying hens are only commercially productive for a relatively short period, after which they eat more than they produce and it’s off to the dog food canner with them.

      Last year there was a PETA-style scare story about OMG 8 million pounds (I think it was) of meat was about to rot in warehouses for lack of market, or something. Not mentioned was that this seemingly vast amount was only two days worth of meat for the U.S., and absolutely normal. (If anything, maybe a little short.)

  26. The West Des Moines shopping update:

    Walmart was almost normal levels of stock on hand, other than still having some chocolate Easter bunnies left and the general purpose cleaners being mostly gone. Yes, you read that correctly, the “general purpose” stuff was gone, the bleach and other disinfecting stuff was not. Paper goods was at about 75% full.

    A lot of areas were just a bit low, usually in stuff that you’d donate to the food pantry; they had big bags of rice again, but the only small bags that had more than two or three was the parboiled rice, which they didn’t use to stock at all.

    Canned tomatoes are still over-represented by plain, but all the other varieties are still there.

    Frozen food section, I thought they were still out of the seasoning packs I like, but instead they made an entire section of food prep. Diced onions, mushrooms, those silly little packs of frozen fresh herbs (says the person who is buying frozen mirepoix), etc, right next to the newly larger smoothie section.

    The drive in was interesting, there was about as much traffic as I’d usually expect, not the “where is everybody?” levels that I’ve been seeing. Probably at least partly due to road construction, but a LOT more folks out and about.

    1. My sons are working stocking shelves in the local supermarket. There’s still some problems with TP and limits on some items but they got hand sanitizer and some paper goods. Milk, meat, and eggs are in. They got shipments of rice and beans. The store is more or less back to normal. Traffic is down and shipments are regular.

      The biggest issue seems to be in the warehouse and a shortage of drivers.

      I know that Costco and BJs still have no chicken and the frozen food is blown. Plenty of pork and beef. They had big bags of rice, flour, and canned veg.

    2. I hit Walmart here on the weekend and the only thing I regularly buy they were still out of stock on is Great Value Meatballs and Spaghetti Rings. Last time they had time I was an asshole and bought one of the two flats out, so for all I know it’s mostly my fault.

    3. Still spotty shortages here and there, but the only thing I couldn’t find with alternatives were the 6 once cans of tomato paste. 12 ounce cans were available, but inconvenient for $SPOUSE.

      Oh yeah, still no beans at the restaurant supply. OTOH, the immigrant crews are back.

    4. Yesterday my Walmart was busy enough that someone parked in my spot — looked like Xmas shopping season out there. Shelves were mostly full/normal. Only thing notably short was pre-packaged pork, tho this store often gets shorted there so in other days would not have been noteworthy. Bonnie’s veggie starts are just coming in, and the garden shelves were crammed with tomatoes and peppers… if they all get planted, gonna be a banner year for homegrown.

      [I can’t believe anyone buys single corn plants in a pot, but they must, or they wouldn’t sell it.]

    1. LL Bean still has some. You have to check though.

      It’s easier to get really expensive made in America than reasonable. Brooks Brothers top quality suits are still made here, their standard line not. Mostly Central America. Sorry, it’s my uniform.

    2. If you are into vintage-looking stuff, I’ve had good luck with Recollections.biz. However, in the past two years or so, their quality control has slipped, so caveat emptor.

    3. Some of Redwing boots are US made. You’d have to check the website to see which, and if any shoes are made in the US.

      1. If you pop into a RedWing store – the USA made stuff has a flag on the laces. Spendy, but resole-able, and what carpenter doesn’t wear Red Wing 877s? There’s also Danner, and I hear really good things about Keens.

    4. Try New Balance, and their sub-brand Dunham. Not all, but some are still made here, though that probably means assembled here from imported parts.
      I wear Dunham almost exclusively, as they are made in half sizes from 7 to 15 mens, and AAA to 6E in width, so I can get a shoe that fits me, rether than trying to make my foot fit a shoe.
      John in Indy

  27. I keep meaning to start tinkering with a 3D printer. Unfortunately, there are other considerations that have kept me from getting one so far.

  28. Well, Deborah’s all upset because the Governor didn’t reopen her hair salon same time as everybody else.

    So I promised her to help her stylist get back on her feet, I would get my hair done the same time to give her a few more bucks.

    Yes, I said it aloud.

    So, anyway, what color do you all want to see? No point in asking you to be gentle. Just post it on my Facebook page…

  29. I doubt you’ll see actual scarcity, except here and there. And anyway most people are completely incapable of being as self-sufficient as a 19th century farmer — and the skillset issue is the least part of the problem, most people don’t have the land, the more primitive tools (who owns a forge? or knows someone who does?), the freedom from regulation (environmental, zoning, HOA), or the family-based labor (e.g. 3-4 adult sons, uncles, aunts) to act like a tiny little homestead. Interdependence is for them a fact o’ modern life.

    So…supply chain disruptions, a flood of money creation: look for a cruel bout of inflation. Someone need to pay for all this virus security theater, and inflation is the traditional way we all pay when we can’t agree on any more specific victim.

    1. I figured in five years we an pay off the house from coffee money.
      As for actual scarcity, how much do you bet?
      You see, I’ve seen planned economies in action before….

      1. Wait, you figure on *deflation*? That would be a very unusual result. The more likely result is that you have to sell your house to buy a cup of coffee. I don’t think there’ll be actual scarcity because the supply lines have been busted up — but not the supplies themselves. It’s more like Florida after a hurricane goes through — all the power lines are down, the roads covered in trees, trucks and trains not running. But outside of Florida (and even inside) there’s plenty of supply, it just can’t get where it’s wanted right away. The result is inflation as too many dollars chase the locally-available resources. That’s my guess for what happens in the next few years. Plus, as I said, we just spent a huge pile of money. It’s got to come from somewhere, and unless someone can be expropriated or taxed (which doesn’t seem likely in the current environment) the way we all pay for it (in evaporated savings and reduced wages) is by inflation.

        I certainly agree a planned economy suffers much more than disruption in its supply lines — it ends up with impoverished supply, unexploited resources across the board, because capital isn’t safe, and nobody makes knowledgeable investments (private capital fears the state, and the state is too ignorant). But this takes a long time. It won’t happen in the next 2-3 years. 10-20 years from now? Sure, maybe. Who knows? But before that I think our present twin gorgons — absolutely insane levels of debt, public and private, plus our collapsing demographics (and those of the rest of the First World) — will probably have started to eat us alive anyway.

          1. Nothing quite so sweet as sitting on a large fixed rate mortgage during a time of runaway inflation.
            Assuming your sources of income are inflation adjusted of course.
            And it truly sucks for those who have a substantial amount in bank accounts or other instruments that lag the inflation curve.

            1. Nothing quite so sweet as sitting on a large fixed rate mortgage during a time of runaway inflation.

              We’re sitting on a fixed rate mortgage right at 3% … We’ve been in the position of having high rate mortgages, in ’80 and again in ’88. ’88 was worse because it was 5 year adjustable. We got out of that ASAP.

            2. The thing that kills me about this “we must sacrifice the economy to protect the elderly” thing is that the elderly—who mostly live on a fixed income such as Social Security—are uniquely vulnerable to high inflation. Maybe they have a paid off house. But can they afford property taxes?

  30. Gavin Newsome on Twitter:

    “Today, Colorado and Nevada joined CA, OR, and WA in our Western States Pact.

    The West Coast is — and will continue to be — guided by SCIENCE. We issued our stay at home orders early to keep the public healthy. We’ll open our economies with that same guiding principle.”

    1. Oh, holy fuck.
      It’s not science it’s leftist bullshit.
      In CO, where we’re not fully conquered, our governor should consider how much he likes the view of Denver form a lamppost. Because my guess is that’s where this ends.

      1. We’ll stock up on the four essentials, gold, silver, lead, and protein. They keep their value in good times and bad…

      2. Gee, wouldn’t it be funny to see some interested party file a suit against this Constitutionally impermissible compact* between states? I very much doubt they’ve applied to Congress for permission.

        *Article I, Section 10, Clause 3 of the Constitution reads: “No State shall, without the Consent of Congress . . . enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power.”
        [Emphasis Added]

        1. Oops – that ought have been a response to Steve Nelson’s citation of the Gov. Noisome tweet.

          Not that I believe for an effing MOMENT that they actually give a damn about either Science OR the Constitution.

            1. What I think that they are going for is the same mercantilist BS that China.gov did in hiding the extent and transmissibility of the WuFlu until it had a chance to infect the rest of the world, so that China’s economy was not the only one to fail.
              The Left coast A**holes intend to use their “science-guided” recoveries to choke off imports and exports, so that re-opened States either fail to recover, or their recovery is held hostage to a complete bailout of the Progressive states and their union cronies.
              See, for example, Nancy Pelado’s pattern of holding revovery funding hostage to totalitarian agendas like fraud-by-mail.
              John

              1. “The Left coast A**holes intend to use their “science-guided” recoveries to choke off imports and exports, so that re-opened States either fail to recover, or their recovery is held hostage to a complete bailout of the Progressive states and their union cronies.”

                At which point, Trump will use that same club he used on Tyson, with even better justification. Notice he’s already saying that any bailout will be tied to ending “sanctuary”.

    2. guided by SCIENCE.


      They keep using that word. I don’t think it means what they think it means.

      So now they have made an actual, formal PACT of utter stupidity. Yo! Finding other idiots that agree with you does not mean you’re not stupid.

      In other news, I’m not working this week because we don’t have any orders, and some of our customers can’t pay for the products we shipped to them over the last few weeks.
      ———————————
      I used to live on a farm. I know what bullshit smells like.

      1. they used to all love Sweden too. thought we should be more like them.

        it’s all magic, moonbeams and unicorns farting rainbows to them.

  31. So, any suggestions on how to stock up/ prep if you might have to move with little or no notice, and have no idea where to yet, due to circumstances beyond your control?

    (Quite literally, unfortunately. There’s a limit to how much ownership and paperwork we can legally straighten out and we’ve hit it.)

    1. #10 cans filled with dehydrated or powdered food. They’re a pretty standard size, have a decent amount of food in them, and store for long periods of time (and note that you should write the expiration date on each can when you get it; use a permanent marker). You can stick them in the back of the closet, and they’ll fit under many beds (though some are too low). They tend to be lightweight, and are just small enough to be able to transport easily in bulk.

      1. I wish you luck. 🙂 ATM one thing we’re trying to do is just clear out things that are definitely not needed or wanted so we have a minimum of stuff to be moved, if that happens.

              1. Um. Some are. Some are definitely not. You really, really need to check individual items.

                Plus if you’re going through stored stuff anyway it’s just a good idea to rotate the oldest stuff into the “if we want something different to eat” pile.

              2. Some are, some aren’t. Stale-dated tetracycline can kill you. Stale-dated epinephrine does not work. Canned goods can become dangerous (hence the warnings about swelled or discolored cans, or frothing when opened). Consider the best-by a good guide: if it’s short, probably the item doesn’t keep well; if it’s long, it probably keeps indefinitely, or at least a few years beyond. Also what keeps long at cool temps may deteriorate a lot faster at higher temps. Butter left out goes rancid; butter in the freezer keeps for a year or longer.

                I can tell you from accidentally stashing several cans where it was forgotten, that sealed dry cocoa keeps about 7-8 years past the stale date, but after that it goes bad. However, MRE cocoa cakes from around 1950 were still good when we opened some up in 1970. (All the other contents were euwwwwhh.)

  32. but why does the president continue to go along with it?

    What if this is known to be an intentional weapons release by China? Or even seriously suspected?

    If the PRC has a stockpile, and will continue to release until there is no longer a fizzle, overstating a fizzle/prepping for the next release could be a strategy.

    I think my unwritten short sketched yesterday is more plausible. It’s about Kevin Feige, Testsuya Nomura and Caroline Kennedy secretly collaborating on the ultimate crossover, so awesome time travelers had to come back and stop it.

    Or maybe that should be I hope it is more plausible. Worse still would be blind wishing. 🙂

  33. UK Daily Mail has UK reopening. people at the beach, traffic up, restaurants starting to open. The top story was not WuFlu. When I see Harry and Meghan on the front page again, I’ll know it’s over over there.

    There’s a new set of models saying millions will die but they are still stuck on Italy and are saying the NY rate of 0.5% is conservative. Damn me, it was 0.86% just last week and the CMR is still over 3%. Stupid is won’t learn. In fairness, it was a small column.

    Europe is opening quickly and it’ll be hard for them to hide this. Funny (not haha funny) that our betters are so ignorant about the rest of the world. The French quality press and German tabloids are absolutely unloading on China. Our crowd, crickets.

    US edition of the Mail is mocking deBlasio the deadly and his dom. Any of you who despair for NY or the country see the clip. I despair of our leaders but not the people, yet.

  34. Right now, the convention vendor community is taking a real beating. Some people are successfully pivoting to online, but most of us are struggling. I’ve managed to get a few things up on eBay, and my masks are now up on Shopify (both linked to the Starship Cat page), but I’m having a lot of struggles with issues of what to prioritize, since i have no idea what will even sell well. I tried t-shirts on eBay a few years ago and couldn’t move a one — and to list them on either platform, I’d have to go back through and re-inventory everything first. There was a time when we made a good income selling the Hallmark ornaments on Amazon, but that was before they changed various aspects of the Marketplace system in ways that work against low-volume sellers, and the last time I listed them, I couldn’t move any (not to mention that it’s after the holidays, and ornament sales always went down in the spring.

    I’ve also decided to pivot on the writing and get some non-fiction projects done and out. Although I’m doing OK with my daily post on the Experiment in Storytelling and various writing challenges, I keep finding that other fiction writing wants to bog down before I get very far in. Writing non-fiction uses a different part of the writing brain, and I’m hoping that maybe I can keep the momentum going long enough to actually finish some of them.

      1. I’m trying, but I keep getting part way through a story of any length and the process just sort of bogs down and I get stuck. I’m trying to find all the stuff that at least has a beginning, a middle, and an end and get them out to beta readers to see if they’re to the point that a few nips and tucks can get them ready to go up on KDP. But right now anything requiring major reconstruction is apt to bog down just as badly as original text keeps doing (other than the 250-word flash fiction pieces for IU’s weekly writing challenge, which I’m actually having some success at).

        I’m hoping that maybe if I can get two or three non-fiction pieces finished and up on KDP and actually get some success with them, I’ll be able to find my way back to my writing groove — if nothing else, because my characters get frustrated by watching me spend time on non-fiction and demand their share of my time.

        1. My muse is fickle enough that I can’t tell if I am recovering or not. Wrote over a hundred words of jest. Deleted it because the venue that would have given the context is not one where I post enough to drop such concentrated insanity, leave it, and have it understood as a joke.

      2. Likewise trying, but brain seems to keep blipping out after start-of-worldbuilding. “Oni the Lonely” is.. third? Fourth? Not sure. Idea that I’ve tried to pull together in the past month. I’m hoping it builds enough on stuff I already know/have references for that I can bluster my way past the stuff I don’t until I get references for that.

        …Of course my body tried to kill me again yesterday, so I suspect some distraction is only normal. Argh.

        (I’m fine, at least as fine as I get, but the ongoing stress Is Not Helping.)

  35. Um, seriously, folks, I thought I was keeping up with the news pretty well. But I seem to have missed something. Where are y’all hearing this about “entire dairy herds, refined for generations being sold for hamburger, of entire herds of pigs being slaughtered and buried, and as our chickens are not coming home at all but being destroyed at the peep stage, all because of strangle points in distribution”?

    It always sucks to be without an income, but listening to talk like this, it REALLY sucks. If things get anywhere near as bad as y’all seem to think it’s going to get, we’re all going to need ammo. Lots of it. And here I am living off extremely limited savings…

        1. President Trump to Tyson: “You’ll get nothing, and the Defense Production Act says you’ll like it.”

          1. “And when your workers sue you because they get sick, you can point to the DPA and say ‘we didn’t have a choice’, and the US.gov has sovereign immunity for this decision.”
            Glad that Trump is using the tools he has to get around the anti-Americans, so far.
            John in Indy

  36. Still, two months into the ‘pandemic crisis’, NONE of the government has shut down, or even cut back. If this was as bad as the hype makes it out to be, government employees should be dropping like flies. Has anybody heard about the ‘pandemic’ wiping out government offices?

    The Senate, in particular, should be exceptionally vulnerable from being full of old fogeys.

    We can dream, anyway…

    1. Gov’t offices went to maximum distance work over a month ago.

      I know a couple of different ICE centers have been hit by catching guys who turn out to test positive, so then all the agents involved there are out of commission for two plus weeks.

      The VA has massively cut back on their famous (cough) medical and evaluation services, too.

      DC area military was work from home for a few weeks, minimum, and now they’ve got some kind of funky alternate hours weeks don’t see anybody thing going on.

        1. My husband’s required eye exam has been put off, and nothing more can be done until it is done.

          He’s only been going through the nerve, knee and spine eval for five years, now….

          (Yes, I know you have at LEAST as many FFS stories with them, but we’re both over here doing the sinus headache pose because they can’t look at a pile of x-rays until they find out that yes, he wears glasses.)

          1. oh, i dont get eye coverage.

            I think you’ve heard my best one tho… prescribe me to walk with a cane as necessary, and then ~3 weeks later they insist my legs aren’t at all disabling.

            1. We don’t have eye coverage, either.

              They just decided he needs the eye exam before they will look at injuries that happened on active duty, during an official, required formation….

    2. Not quite true, but perhaps close enough for government work. 😉

      I heard somewhere that the mail room and janitorial staff at some government offices that went to work-from-home were furloughed.

      As I understand it, the National Park Service and various federal land management agencies have furloughed much of their customer-facing personnel, and cut back to skeleton crews for areas that are closed. They usually retain a very light law enforcement presence, and sometimes some maintenance staff if there is infrastructure (water plant, waste treatment, power, etc.) that needs ongoing operation/maintenance. Some state and county parks departments have done likewise.

      But yeah, as far as I know, nobody has shut down entire federal or state agencies.

      1. Know of a campground that have installed at least one camp host, to be present to prevent / report (he is 72, she’s 66) vandalism. Crane Prairie Reservoir Oregon. Not sure which campground, if there are multiple. They are there for at least 2 months, as of now.

    3. I know the Long Beach Police Dept. has work-from-homed some critical office personnel (friend being one of ’em — if she’s not there, beat scheduling falls apart).

      Half the Senate doesn’t show up half the time, so there are plenty of vacant seats…

  37. Random thoughts: Ethanol has about 2 years left; when “food” corn becomes more profitable than the “feed” corn used in ethanol, “food” corn will become the crop. America is not the only market for “food” corn, and worldwide demand will push prices up.
    Hoof food – pork, beef, chicken – will be in very short supply for a year, just “short” for the year after and not quite enough the third year. Year four may be close to normal. Year five will be “normal” assuming no shocks to the system that impair it; no guarantees on that. Whole lot of expensive hunger between here and there.
    There is a civil war in our future; it may be regional and somewhat containable, or it may be widespread, but it will happen.
    Conflict with China will occur as we restrict food deliveries to them; there will be no choice because we’ll be so short ourselves, after that we’ll support friends, not enemies. There may be enough worldwide critcal mass going against China that they’ll behave but no guarantees there, either.
    Democrats in any elected office anywhere will spell doom for that function in that jurisdiction, high enough office it’ll be doom for the entire jurisdiction; Republicans won’t be much better, if we’re lucky it’ll be “better enough.”
    Lefties, and their supporters, will become the new outcasts; they won’t scale back their demands even when their demands are not met because what’s left of the operating system cannot support them. The media will be the loudest complainers followed by academics. Expect local conflict, some of it very local, go nowhere unarmed. Follow Remus’ advice on crowds.

  38. Heh. Somebody’s looking at disbarment hearings.

    Judge orders Michael Flynn’s former attorneys to execute another search for documents after new trove discovered
    The federal judge presiding over retired Lt. Gen. Mike Flynn’s case issued a surprise order telling the former national security adviser’s previous attorneys to conduct another search of their entire case archive after it was revealed they failed to turn thousands of documents over to Flynn’s new defense team.

    The ruling by Judge Emmet Sullivan was made public Tuesday afternoon after Robert Kelner and Stephen Anthony, Flynn’s former lawyers at the powerhouse firm Covington & Burling, claimed there were 6,800 records they had only just now unearthed and turned over to Flynn’s current defense team, which has been led by former federal prosecutor Sidney Powell since July 2019.

    [END EXCERPT]

    At the very least, I think they owe Gen. Flynn a refund on legal fees.

    1. And a call to their professional liability carrier.
      After 4 years of this sh*t, of thinking the Clintons were sh*t since they had Barry Seal shot, and from hearing first hand how Hitlery absconded with all (a room full of file cabinets) of the Legal Services Corp files showing the diversion of LSC money to the Nicaraguan Sandanistas over the weekend between the Friday she was thrown outand the Monday William Harvey took over, I sincerely hope we are finally going to see these evil-doers punished in some way.
      Though my personal preference will always be “A la lanterne”.
      John in Indy

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