Thoughts from the Road

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I’m on the road on the way to Liberty con, and things I’ve heard over the last few days, a lot of it in private discussions with friends, wove themselves with the news caught earlier today (we’ve been on the road since three thirty am, and not a second to spare as we got off the highway at the wrong exit and then found that it being high road work season — Denver has two seasons, snow and road work — we couldn’t get back on and had to spend sometime lost at the distant edge of Denver).

In my fitful dozing on the plane, I woke up with a Leonard Cohen quote running through my head: “I couldn’t move to warn all the other soldiers, that we had been betrayed from above.”

But being betrayed from above is not something that warrants warning in our present situation.  We know it. All of the west knows it. And when the betrayal grows so deep and undeniable that you have to do something, and that the means of correction are taken from your hands, you find yourself donning a yellow vest and catapulting flaming Smart Cars at the arc du triomphe.  Mutatis mutandi, in our case, of course, unless we build one for the occasion.

This is not a warning. It is a remainder we’re in trouble deep.  Barring a miracle, things are going to get exponentially worse.  There will be confrontations here and there, ranging from BLM level blocked highways and nuttery to Beirut.  It will be worse some places. It’s not even a blue-red thing. I note that though Denver has the same nutty pro-public defecation laws as San Fran it hasn’t got as insane except in very concentrated neighborhoods. Perhaps because most of the locals aren’t amused, and the imported Californians are too stoned to count.

It is a place by place and area by area thing, and it’s not easy to guess.  The American instinct is to go and “hide out” in the middle of nowhere, but in all the collapses of law and order I’ve witnessed/read about, isolated homesteads were the most dangerous (as they are indeed in South Africa today.)

I can’t make the decision for you, you have to make it for yourself.

I still think in the end we win, they lose.  It’s not that we have G-d on our side, but that we have reality on our side.  And reality can’t easily be ignored. Not forever.

However, what previous generations allowed — we only got here for the culmination — the concentration of power in the left’s hands, and the acceptance of Marxism as a positional good?  yeah.  Even being fourth-generation oligarchy dumb — aka rock eating dumb — they have enough power to make things very painful for us.

I expect trouble to start around or shortly after the elections. There is no way we can stop them cheating. There just isn’t. If we try it just brings the mess earlier and harder.

If what I expect is what’s coming down the pipe, unrest will be isolated, sudden, unpredictable. Most of your days will be completely routine and normal.

So:

Get in the best shape you can: physical, financial, emotional.

Make sure you have a supply of medicines if they’re the kind you can get a little in advance.

If not, find alternate ways to get them, in case your doctor/pharmacy are out. Hint, most things are available on the net. It all depends on how shady you’re willing to go.

Don’t go out unarmed.  Now, this depends on the laws in your region, and also your licensing. Because you don’t want to throw yourself at the mercy of the system. But at the very least, carry a knife. Always.  Mailbox? Knife.  Groceries? Knife.

A weighted cane (or umbrella depending on where you leave) makes an excellent weapon.  And no one can deny you the ability to carry them.

Don’t look for trouble. If you round a corner and see people beating each other, run the other way (see why we told you to be in the best shape?)  There is no percentage in getting involved in violent incidents if you can avoid it. Unless you’re young and stupid.

Have an arranged rendez-vous point with family members, should you have to leave.

Keep your cars filled up.

Keep your pantry stocked, and an emergency supply on hand.

Do the normal preparations you’d do if you live in storm country.  But more importantly, be ready to defend yourself and the ones who depend on you.  To quote Robert A. Heinlein “Keep your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark.”

We can get through this and we must.  We must, because we must have a say in what is built at the other end.

As cathartic as letting it all burn might be, in the end you’re just left with ashes. We owe it to our founders and to our future not to let the last best hope of mankind pass from the world.

So–

Keep yourself safe. In what I expect to be economic warfare ahead (I got hit by it this year) lend a hand when you can. Mutual aid and comfort is a thing.

And most of all, be not afraid.  In the end we win they lose.

It’s just going to get a little fraught on the way there.

It’s okay. We’re the strivers. We’ll get it done.

And if it kills us, someone will pick it up after us.

In these halcyon days of calm we have left, rest and prepare.  Mentally, physically, financially.

Barring a miracle, the seas are going to get rough.

Don’t drown.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

216 responses to “Thoughts from the Road

  1. I’ve long had a carefully thought out “Go To hell” Plan. it takes into account my chronic health issues and their requirements, my age, my general physical condition and the optimum condition I could hope to achieve, and my general disposition. As a result, if it all goes to hell i plan to go to Hell, too.

    This is not a plan for which I’ve particular enthusiasm, but it does have the virtue of being realistic. The only part left open for adjustment to contingencies is how many bastards i can take with me for an honor guard.

    • You would be surprised how many people with chronic health problems survive disasters, wars, plagues, etc. Part of it may be that they know they are mortal.

  2. I feel you road-construction pain. I keep waiting for the daily “lane closure” announcement down here to start with, “All north-south roads will be closed for [whatever] between eight AM and six PM. All east-west roads will be closed for [whatever] from eight-oh-five to six-thirty. Please allow extra time for your commute.”

  3. Molon labe!
    I’m watching what’s going on in Oregon right now. The violation of the Constitutional rights (both state and federal) of the Oregon GOP legislators by the governor and state police of Oregon merits violent and lethal response.

    Frankly, I hope the GOP reps fire a warning shot at the troopers first, and someone on the force show an iota of sense saying, “You know what? What the Gov is telling us to do is against the law, and it’s not worth us eating lead from innocent defenders.”

    • All for a bit of legislature crap only they think is needed.

      I’m seeing a proposition to get it reversed, should it ever pass. Too many people have to have vehicles.

      • But what is one person’s need against the entire planet’s *future*?

        I wonder what the odds are of NY’s climate nutbaggery reversing. -_-

        • Trust me. Oregon Legislature does not want the issue to go to the initiative process. Current ones do not think that anyone will bother … I think someone will (hell, I may figure out how to file an initiative … don’t want to work that hard. But could maybe be convinced.) When they do, someone is going to look at a few other things they’ve pulled lately and put them in an initiative … along with a few (or more) of Ms. Brown’s executive orders. As liberal as Portland, Salem, etc., are, it is never good if another part of the states bring shenanigans to their attention.

          • hell, I may figure out how to file an initiative … don’t want to work that hard. But could maybe be convinced.

            See, here’s the thing. Most conservatives, most Americans, do not want to be bothered to curb their government. We’ll tolerate shocking incompetence, scandalous corruption, and even a bit of arrogant regulating rather than interrupt our personal lives to put the politicians and bureaucrats in their places.

            So, when we do get riled we tend to scorch the earth. Like the man says, you wouldn’t like us when we’re angry.

            • As in the San Francisco Vigilante – I wrote about it here – Part 2 – http://www.celiahayes.com/archives/633

              For the rest of it, just go to my website and look for “Committee of Vigilance.
              Sorry, don’t want to go into moderation through posting too many links.

              I was researching all of this, for my gold rush novel “The Golden Road.”
              Yeah, at a certain point, the responsible citizens become very PO’ed – and when that happens, “Katie Bar the Door!”

            • “So, when we do get riled we tend to scorch the earth. Like the man says, you wouldn’t like us when we’re angry.”

              Exactly.

              • The only way to cure a cancer is to cut it completely out, flood it with toxic chemicals, and irradiate the hell out of it.
                And even then you have to sit and watch it to make sure it doesn’t grow back.
                Which is unfortunately the same predicament we face with totalitarianism, tyranny, and the Democrat-Progressive-Socialists.

          • The law specifically had bits in it protecting it from the initiative process. The zealots knew even most on the left would object to their utility bills doubling, and the price of gas increasing dramatically and then scheduled ratcheting up further in subsequent years.

            Those bits were what specifically caused the state Republicans to break quorum.

            • I thought there was something in the Oregon Constitution that prevents state legislatures from preventing initiatives. Not that they won’t try. Nor that it isn’t bloody difficult. Initiative items can only have a single item in it. But legislative bills can be stacked. Which means if this bill increases the per gallon tax and adds tax to natural gas per gallon, plus whatever else is in it, then there needs to be two or more peasant (oops citizen) triggered initiatives to reverse it.

              One of the reasons there can never be a “Repeal income tax and replace with Sales Tax.” That has to be two initiatives, which will never, ever, happen. Salem is terrified the “Repeal Income Tax” will pass, but not the implement “Sales Tax”. Oregon citizens are terrified the “Sales Tax” pass but the “repeal income tax” won’t.

              • Given the right judges I can assure you that there will be NOTHING in the Oregon (or US) constitution which actually means what it appears to say. In some instances I can guarantee that the actual meaning of a word or phrase is the complete opposite of what the non-legally trained reader would understand it to mean.

              • From what I’ve read, if the bill is listed as an “emergency measure”, it is then exempted from referenda. The bills that are effective immediately or before Jan 1 after the session closes count as emergency. Not surprising, this is getting abused by TPTB in Salem.

                One of the bans they have in mind would prevent diesel vehicles older than 2007 from being road-legal, thus wiping out most of the logging truckers. They’ve put so many jobkilling measures in this, it’s crazy.

                • Plus a number of private vehicles.

                  Just Diesel? Or ANYTHING older than 2007? Can we sue for making personal vehicles illegal. Oh, wait … let me guess … THEIR Classic’s are “exempt”.

                • Feather Blade

                  I’m surprised there are any Oregon loggers left after the spotted owl brouhaha.

                  I suppose somebody has to transport trees from the paper plantations though.

                  • “I’m surprised there are any Oregon loggers left after the spotted owl brouhaha.”

                    Private. Roseburg (Ford Family), Weyerhouser, Starker. Although I’ve “heard” that Weyerhauser has platted out small Timberlands for development. A way of putting the land to more profit getting around the Oregon subdivision rules. But don’t know the details.

                    But, yes. State and Federal, USFS or BLM, is pretty much DOA. There are a lot of valley farmers planting Poplars, etc., for fiber, those can be chipped on site into containers. No actual logging trucks needed.

                  • There’s still a bit of softwood logging east of the Cascades. Your new telephone pole might have come from one of the lodgepole pine stands around here. Not sure who owns the big private stands; Jeld-Wen had a huge pine tree farm that got sold off, and it’s now Squaw Flat Ranch. (SF Road got renamed several years ago after somebody raised a stink. Said somebody isn’t popular for other reasons, so the FU naming isn’t a real shock.)

                    There’s a mill (one of their products is particles) near Lakeview, Collins Products (spun from Weyerhauser) does particle board, and one plywood company (Columbia) locally, while Medford has reactivated a couple of their mills. In the early Aughts, they had about 5 running.

                    According to the Portland Business Journal, the bill got tweaked; more like boiling the frog, primarily in Greater Portlandia. As originally set up, it would have been a huge wrecker–crushing blows to loggers and small businesses. Now, it’s only medium bad, but the Senate needs a quorum before close on the 30th to pass.

    • I’ve been a little more out of the loop than normal the past couple of weeks. I’ve only heard a whisper of something happening up there. Got a Cliffs notes version, or a non-biased (stop laughing) link?

      • Short version: Having taken a leaf from the (D) playbook*, a group of (R) legislatures walked out of the state legislature in order to prevent a vote on a piece of legislation with which they vehemently disagree. The governor has ordered the state police to arrest the (R)s and force them to vote, even if the (R)s are outside the state. I think, if they stay gone until the 30th, the bill is dead.

        Biased but pretty complete: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/oregon-legislature-climate-change-bill-chaos.html

        *See the “WD-40” in Texas and redistricting.

        • What it comes down to is a 100% failure of the legal checks and balances and separation of powers between the executive and the legislative branches of the government. In effect, the governor of Oregon has assumed the powers of the legislature in forcing a vote. And completely violating multiple Constitutional rights of the GOP legislators by use of the state police to assault, battery, kidnap, and extortion (to name a few off the top of my head) any and all of those legislators. The fact that the State Police Chief/Commissioner failed to tell her no makes him an accomplice and conspirator; as will every officer who takes part in said action. The thing is, by my reading of the law (not a professional btw) NONE of those GOP Reps have committed any crimes, so any cop doing anything to them is effectively an act of organized crime; and they can legally shoot to kill to defend themselves.

          This could get very ugly, and very interesting.

          • The problem with “checks and balances” is that they have to be implemented by the same people you are trying to check.

            So we get Totally A Tax laws (Bozocare, National Firearms Act), and then the courts say “Yeah, it’s a tax”, and on and on.

            Or the good old Commerce Clause, that is always good for a few rants.

            • PLUS, the GOP legislators have left the state, to a person. Which means, state police/national guard enforcing the governer’s order, are well out of their jurisdictions.

              • … are well out of their jurisdictions.

                So … kidnapping? Abduction, at any rate, and across state lines would make it a federal crime. Anybody think Trump would wave it away?

                The Democrat legislative absconsions are too recent in memory fr the Gaslight media to not be noticed for their differences in coverage. Heck, I bet somebody could do a “compare & contrast” blog post …

                • That’s probably why it’s not getting much media coverage. First I heard of this. I’m horrified! Shades of reverse Huey P. Long!!! He used to arrest and throw in jail representatives on their way to vote against laws he favored.

                  • There is a heavy democratic majority in the Oregon State legislative bodies. Plus the governor of our state. BUT, this bill must pass both houses, AND there MUST be at minimum of 2 non-party members present during the vote, for even a majority among partisan lines, for a vote to count.

                    • One of the GOP senators got a message out. Whichever state they are (were?) in, that DEM governor promised to track the GOP people down and return them. One hopes the senators moved to a more friendly state.

                      Among other things, the DEMs are going for revenge. Kill programs in areas represented by the GOP senators, go after any businesses owned by them, and pouring money into de-election for senators up in 2020.

                      A few days ago, I looked into the State of Jefferson groups. Not well organized, but this could be a spur. Also, with recent changes, the 9th Circus is no longer a complete lost cause.

                    • Talked with my husband about this– we both agreed they’re probably not sitting in a hooters just across the state line in Washington or something similarly stupid.

                    • Whoa RCPete! You say another state’s Democrat governor is promising to track Oregon’s GOP legislators down and return them to Oregon by force? Now I really do what to see an armed insurrection against these tyrants; they make George III look like a kindergarten bully.

        • Ah, got it, thanks. I’d heard they’d left the state, but not the State level Gestapo part.

          Reminds me of when the Wisconsin Democrat legislators fled to Illinois a few years back. They were hailed as principled heroes by the Left, as I recall.

          • When Despicable Kate Brown (our Gov) was in the legislature, the Dems did the same scarpering out over redistricting. (The GOP compromised, arggh.)

            Her circa 2000 praising of the walkout as laudable is getting reposted. I wonder if recall could work…

  4. I note that though Denver has the same nutty pro-public defecation laws as San Fran it hasn’t got as insane except in very concentrated neighborhoods.

    Doesn’t Denver get snow in winter?

    In contrast with SanFran and Seattle?

  5. I feel i should caution you against taking counsel of your fears. The left in America is, like Ceausescu’s regime, much less strong than it appears. Their control is slipping so that they can no longer hide their cheating and their credibility is so low that they cannot even get away with telling the Truth.

    There may be trouble ahead, but when push comes to shove they ain’t got any hope of traction, in part because their feet are firmly planted in [feces] and the stench has become undeniable.

    Seriously – they have literally made Los Angeles, San Francisco and Seattle into shit-hole cities and the Red America isn’t going to let that happen here.

    • Best to understand that you never back a rabid animal into a corner unless you have the means and the will to kill it quickly before it can get it’s teeth into you.

    • Professor Badness

      I’m more worried about the types of people that will take advantage of any opportunity to rape, kill, pillage and burn.
      Which is why I don’t live in a big city.

      • There are days I am one of those people. Civil unrest is the perfect time to settle scores and sometimes I’m angry enough to mentally rehearse a list.

        Which is why I plan for bad times. It has two directions: I know what other people are tempted to do. It also gives me a focus in case that time comes. If I have mentally rehearsed and prepared to ride it out it will be a lot easier to not give into the temptation to burn it all down.

        • It can be a troubling thing to have a notion of what one can do, if pushed in just the wrong way at just the wrong time. Physical enaction of such things can scar a psyche for life.

          That said, knowing such thoughts means knowing others may have them and worse, things unimagined yet. He who plans has an edge. Simple plans are best.

          • the leftoid anarchist types are in for a shock when they learn some of us in opposition are far better at anarchy and mayhem than they are. Just because we greatly dislike it, doesn’t mean we are not good at it.

            • Sort of like Moldylocks when “she” discovered that people fight back, and the police won’t stop them if she hits first.

            • Dan Hamilton

              The Old Star Trek episode where Civilized Kirk can act as a barbarian but Barbarian Kirk CAN NOT act Civilized.

      • Same here – save that I live in an outlaying suburb. I do know the layout of the suburb, and enough of my neighbors well enough to know we could form a pretty effective body of volunteers to barricade the entrances. And this being Texas, and about half of the neighbors being retired military, I’m betting that we have enough small arms among us. Note to self – buy more 9mm ammunition at the end of the month.

        • SheSellsSeashells

          I am pretty rural, and while I’m not in a suburb, I am surrounded by salt-of-the-earth types. Sometimes it’s rock salt in a shotgun. I would conservatively guess that 80 percent of my neighbors have more guns in their houses than people, and yet contra the gungrabbers, we’re not a daily hellscape of flying bullets. Strange, that.

          • Obviously you don’t have any of those scary black guns to turn feral the moment someone even looks at them sideways. Be especially wary of the ones with folding shoulder things that go up, and Glocks™. Glocks hunt in packs during the new moon. The horror…

            ;P

            • Indeed. I hear mine baying from inside the safe sometimes. I shudder to think what would happen if I let them out. So many progressives would be disappointed to find out that nothing happened. I would not want to be responsible for so much sadness among those members of the left…well, actually yes, yes I would…

    • It’s not their actual strength or lack of I’m concerned with. It’s their ability to get away with voter fraud and the GOP seemingly completely unwilling to do anything that concerns me.

      Their policies are going to have zero appeal in the places they need to win back in 2020. Plus, if they go to the center in the general, they’ll piss off the base that won them the primary.

      • I have no inside information, mind, but if Trump pulled a ‘gotcha!’ on the Democrats in the 2020 election I would be unsurprised.

        • Pray G-D the GOP figures out how to run a viral ad campaign. A short Youtube video of Chuck & Nancy denying there’s a border crisis, a montage of AOC gazing forlornly through a chain link fence that pans out to reveal she’s looking at an empty parking lot (yeah, the fence is symbolic – pull the other one!) and a montage of Gaslight media showing “children in cages” with Obama Administration date tags would be just a start.

          Might even want to throw in a few shots of Liberals being outraged over Trump’s “rudeness” toward women, accompanied by a montage of all of the Liberals who’ve been Weinsteined.

          OTOH, apparently Virginia’s attorney-general has decided that the publicity over his being accused of rape has enhanced his stature and he’s planning a run for higher office, so there’s scant cause to expect these folk to be chastised.

        • It’s been seriously underreported by the MSM, but there have been a fair number of indictments over voter fraud issued since 1/20/2017.

          (Hands shocked face back to Sarah.)

      • The consent decree which prevented the GOP from challenging vote practices has lapsed. Trump nor Barr strike me as the type to get robbed “gracefully.”

    • Yes, but what about people on the Red/Blue boundary, such as where I live in Metro Atlanta.

      Sure, blue riots wouldn’t derail the state and would eventually die out. However, between the start and finish I’m probably going to want to work from home and shoot idiots who start screaming and waving torches in my drive way. I should be ready for power to be intermittent. Given my county has had water department issues anyway and once or twice a year we’re told to boil water I should be ready for water interruption.

      I guess this is a variant of my common response to our hostess. Yes, their disconnect from reality means they lose, but they can do enough damage on the way out so we don’t win.

      So, I plan for the winter storms that shut down CT 4 out of 5 Thursdays in January one year, but the Atl version. If there are days long rioting which means going to the grocery is dangerous and it will be empty anyway, isn’t having enough for me and mine a good plan. Even if I can see it will burn out after two weeks when I have four weeks of food, isn’t there value in being able to use the other two weeks to help my neighbors go out less?

      • One is none, and two is one, as the saying goes.

        Since I practice American cooking anyways (half the recipes consist of a list of cans!) it’s easy for us to 1) have a month’s worth of emergency food, and 2) cycle through it. The only pain would be the about-a-quarter of beef sitting in the freezer, should we lose power.

        • Similar here. Save fresh meat wouldn’t be a problem, depending on season for, oh, a bit. Local deer population has been creeping up for years, enough that those in the know begin to worry about disease creeping in atimes. But if it is longer than a bit, there’s always rice and taters. And lots and lots of canned (insert vegetable name here).

        • Lay in a supply of charcoal, and you can start smoking it or turning it into jerky once the power goes out. It’d give you something to do other than twiddling your thumbs…

          • Don’t forget the spices. In fact, part of your GOTH kit should be a goodly supply of dried spices. Not only for jerking any fresh (or frozen from fresh) meat of your own, but also as compact and high value / weight ratio trade goods if things go on very long.

            Oh, obviously, don’t heavy stock on things that can be grown in most parts of this country. Cinnamon, black pepper, cayenne, etc. I also have quite a few bottles of the artificial and much cheaper “vanilla” – because flavorings that have to be made in a chemical plant will be even more out of reach than tropical / regional spices, if things really go belly up.

        • Power goes, pull the beef out of the freezer, thin slice it and smoke it/dry it over a fire. Just don’t use pressure treated or painted boards or God help us, plastic patio deck boards, for your fire!

        • I have been using more fresh of late, but certainly cans are a common enough part of our diet that just making sure I have x-weeks is all I need to do. 2-4 weeks is as much about managing restock points as anything.

      • If you’re working for someone else- that is, an employee or contract worker, you won’t be working from home. Power and internet outages are going to be frequent and possibly long. I’m not yet convinced we’re going to see a violent uprising. If we do, it’s going to be short as far as such things go. Typically, leaders aren’t targeted. Because the two sides are so intermixed- they will be. Leaders on one side likely have more reliable and greater protection depth. And not the leftists.

      • Hint 1: Don’t store your disaster checklist on your cell phone or Kindle.
        Hint 2: Don’t get all the books on survival in electronic format, go for dead wood versions.
        Hint 3: Cash is still king. A million dollars in the bank doesn’t do you any good if the automated teller machines are dead. How much cash do you need depends on how long the situation lasts, how much you plan on spending, and how rapidly the cost of things jumps.

        • Hint 3.5: $20 and $1 are better than $100 and silver dimes are better than gold.

          • things are going to have to be waaaaaay downhill for anyone to worry about what metal is in the coins. Like, ‘you should have stockpiled ammo , weapons, and friends that know how to use them rather than worrying about the metal content of your coins’ downhill.

            • Not ammo, powder, primer, and lead plus lots of empty glass bottles and yeast colonies.

              I plan to have things people want and be valuable enough to have allies.

              • Completed ammo stores for much much longer than powder. Completed ammo is also much more useful as a trade good than components. Components are for when the loaded ammo runs out, and lead comes from wheel weights…. and i hope you can keep the ‘powder’ dry as in ‘not exposed to humidity’.

                • Completed ammo is an invite to overpower you and take your stuff.

                  The components and knowledge of how to reload is a reason to keep you around when the ammo runs out (lots of “gotta get a gun” types seem to fail to learn to reload).

                  That said, I’m expecting the ability to make whiskey will be more valuable.

    • feet are firmly planted in [feces]

      Reminds me of the old joke about Hell. “Break’s over! Back on your heads!”

  6. I think one of the tests of just how far things are gone is the amount of mockery Castro gets for his “reproductive justice for trans-women” comment last night.

    • That fact that he is getting mocked at all proves we have further they can try to go.

      • About that …
        LGBTQ acceptance in ‘toxic’ decline among young Americans: study
        [SNIP]
        The survey, produced by the Harris Poll in partnership with Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD), found that Americans aged 18 to 34 who say they are comfortable interacting with queer people fell from 53% in 2017 to 45% in 2018 — even among those whom the report considers “allies” to the LGBTQ community.

        This was the only age group to show a decline in overall acceptance. Women had a sharper decline, falling from 64% to 52%, compared to the 5% decrease among men, from 40 to 35%.

        “We count on the narrative that young people are more progressive and tolerant,” John Gerzema, CEO of the Harris Poll, tells USA Today. “These numbers are very alarming and signal a looming social crisis in discrimination.”
        [END EXCERPT]

        Note the statistical game-playing – using total % drop rather than relative %: “5% decrease among men, from 40 to 35%” rather than acknowledging it is a greater than 10% drop in total support among men.

        • maybe they’d get more acceptance if they weren’t trying to force everyone to “Do as we say and shut up or we will destroy you.” about every little thing

        • The thing about the incremental approach is that pushing too far destroys it.

        • Maybe if they hadn’t been the sorest winners in recent history

        • Anyone who has HS age kids now or ones that graduated HS within the last few years ago is fully aware of this if they listen to their children and see what they’re posting on twitter and instagram. My youngest son shows me…. I’m twitter and instagram illiterate. My observations may be colored by living in a rural area with HS graduating classes <90 students and drpping each year. BTW, total number of school age children isn't dropping in my area. But Mennonites and Amish don't attend public schools. My neighbor is up to 10 children in 12 years, we only had 5 in 19.

          There is a good thing about having Amish neighbors. Transportation and fuel shortages won't affect their crops….

          • When we started homeschooling five years ago, my best estimate was that you were slightly more likely to be homeschooled than to identify as as any LGBTQwerty.
            (High end 5%, while homeschooled is a minimum of 5% and more likely half again that. Washington state is notorious for being horribly inaccurate– I’ve mentioned some drama where schools reported they had a single homeschooled student, when there were five+ families with multiple kids all legally homeschooling, and anybody under 8 or who has already graduated isn’t counted.)

            Since then, there were several hard-core ‘NOPE!’ things that triggered more parents to at least try homeschooling, and by 2016 the response rate on the only federal survey asking about it dropped almost 10%. Pretty sure the next one will be even lower.

            There’s also been an explosion in programs to help parents homeschool without having to actually school.

            But it’s freaking silent from the media, other than attempts to connect it to child abuse that keep fizzling out.

          • Yeah, but you need something that they value in return for trade.

  7. Dan Hamilton

    I would like to suggest that on election day, you take a video camera and go to your polling place well before it opens and setup your camera to see the entrance. If more than one then a camera for each. Why??? To get a count of how many people voted and to have a record. When the votes for that polling place are reported, check the number of people on the video against the number of votes. If they are close, fine. But if there are far more, then let people know you have found fraud. You have evidence of fraud.
    Democrat or Republican doesn’t matter. Nobody should be OK with voter fraud. Especially in Cities. Get friends, cover as many as you can.

    Trump won because the Democrats expected to win BIG. If they had thought Trump had a chance, he never would have won, he would not have gotten pass the margin of fraud.

    • Totally agree. Why I expect rampant cheating this time around.
      Thing is though, the Dems opened the door with the whole Russian collusion business for the Trump administration to aggressively enforce the voting regulations simply to keep the process honest. Wouldn’t surprise me to see a visible presence, as in US Marshals or such, at most if not all polling places.
      And if all else fails, remember the legacy of Athens, TN.

      • We’ve sent the US Army in to foreign countries to “assist” in elections.

        I don’t see why we can’t do that here, too…

        • We’ve done it here as well. At least Federal agents “supervised” any number of public activities in the South both immediately after the ACW and again in the 60s.
          And as I recall the troubles were created by the very same political party.

    • Most of the big fraud areas have vote-by-mail; as Sarah calls it, “vote fraud by mail.”

      That is part of why they’re so hot on raw democracy.

      Take Washington state; in the run-up to Trump, it was a get-out-the-vote note that in contentious races, “the coast” (really more like King County and basically the Seattle blob) will have turn-out in the 90% range.

      …which is really impressive, since you can’t leave the voter rolls for years after you move. And they routinely don’t even bother opening military ballots. And, as I’ve complained about before, the simi-regular “haha our dog got a ballot” stories.

      The folks that do recounts also point out it’s very normal to open a ballot and find that it has only one or two things voted for; the suspicious say that’s because you don’t bother to do fraud without pay.

      https://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/research/voter-turnout-by-election.aspx

      • Elf and I moved just before and just after Trump was elected; we’re both still on the voter rolls. (I just checked.)

        • These comments got me to thinking that I’d better cancel my voter registration in Oregon so the Dems can’t (mis)use it.

          • This is why I double checked at our county registrar to make sure my wife’s registration had been cancelled. I didn’t want her ‘voting’ Democrat from the grave.

          • I e-mailed the county clerk where we used to live, and it’s taken care of. Oregon lost a Conservative voter when we left; I don’t want them to be able to use my name to gain a Left-wing voter.

      • Leave us not ignore the recent revelations about “vote harvesting” in which the secrecy of the ballot is not assured.

      • PRECISELY.
        Plus people harvest and vote ballots from the TRASH.
        Note this is the first thing the dems do when they seize power is make it all vote by mail.

        • I used to approve of voting by mail. But over the years I’ve come to believe if they can’t be arsed to go to the polls, I don’t care what their opinions are…

          • Surprisingly enough. People who won’t go to the polls, won’t be bothered to vote by mail either.

        • “Plus people harvest and vote ballots from the TRASH.”

          I shred ballots that we don’t vote on. Why bother when everyone is running unopposed. Thought about promoting some one snarky, but decided no.

          Locally, at least they check the outer envelope signature. Both hubby and son have been called in to verify their signatures. Very inconsistent, and very illegible.

          • I don’t think a week passes but we receive something in the mail addressed to a prior occupant — sometimes as many as third prior to our residency — and we’ve been at this address for about twenty years. Imagine what gets sent to an apartment building! While some will doubtless shred any ballots received others are likely to drop them in the hall receptacle.

            Is there any doubt that those entrusted with sending out those ballots have no institutional interest in ensuring the addresses are valid, that no ballot goes to an outdated address?

            I’ve made this point a tiresome number of times, but the first rule of financial auditing is to check whether a) there are rules in place to prevent fraud and catch and correct errors b) whether those rules are would be effective and c) whether those rules are enforced. I expect none of us here would accept a cashier;s drawer without counting it and confirming the amount with the person handing it over, so why do we accept absolute chaos in controlling our ballots?

            I doubt there is a SINGLE effing vote-by-male jurisdiction in which any effort is made to control for the number of ballots mailed out and count them against a) eligible voters and b) ballots returned. It is not that I believe fraud occurs (although I do) it is that there are no safeguards against fraud occurring.

      • We went to vote by mail here in Utah too. It’s very discouraging.

    • I suspect Hillary thought she might well lose the popular vote while winning the usual “hick” places like Michigan and Wisconsin and then concentrated getting out the vote in NYC and Chicago. She even yelled at the Chicago office for sending GOTV attempts in Mi, and Wi. “Get those buses turned around!”

      • I gotta think that W. J. Clinton knew that that was a horrific mistake. He was a jerk of epic proportions, but he knew how to get elected. I suspect he just quietly gloated watching Hilary praying to a deity that he doesn’t really believe exist that Hilary would suffer a massive stroke on her tragic loss. Luckily for us the Author has a really wicked sense of humor and he’s going to live with that bitter creature for the next 10-20 years…

        • Reverse of “stand by your man”. Poor Willie has to stand by his harpy … mean woman. (Wish I knew how to do all the fun WP stuff, word line cross out; etc.)

          • The WP code for strikeout is : left arrow, ie capital comma, then “strike” then right arrow. Be sure to cancel with the /strike.

            Using parentheses so it doesn’t freak out.
            This is how strikeout looks.
            This is how (strike)strikeout(/strike) is coded.

            Italics use an ‘i’ instead of the word, while bold uses ‘b’. You can stack all these, too. Here goes:

            Stacking example bold bold italic kitchen sink

            Using parentheses instead of “”:
            In english: (b)bold(/b) (b)(i)bold italic(/i)(/b) (b)(i)(strike)kitchen sink(/strike)(/i)(/b)

            Dunno the underline code.

            Thus endeth the WP lesson. [grin]

            I hope I closed everything correctly. 🙂

            • And WP really doesn’t like it if you try to use left or right arrows outside Accepted Places. If you are lucky, it just eats the stuff inside. [oops]

            • WP will also accept DEL and /DEL in stead of strike (N.B. – WP may not require caps, but DEL is a little easier to proof than del.)

              Also useful are the insert link:
              [A HREF=”http:/URL”] Your Text Here [/A]
              Using [ in place of with the URL written within the quote marks as indicated by http:/URL and the (presumably) headline chosen in place of Your Text Here

              and, to Indent and italicize text in a quote:
              BLOCKQUOTE and /BLOCKQUOTE
              inside of angle brackets.

              Fr convenience you might want to open a Notepad or similar text program and copy/save these terms.

              • Thanks!!!

                I have “looked” for the information. Just not very hard. 🙂 (Hey, it’s the retired from computer stuff …)

        • She ignored him a fewtimes and that was one. He folks here to make good and sure she made the right noises to wi mi and pa or she was likely to lose. Waste does he know? He has a dick.

  8. Between TSA carry-on regulations and Airlines lost luggage “accidents” it’s getting harder and harder to be properly equipped. I normally carry three knives, each with a purpose, they are useful tools after all. One of the reasons I now detest flying commercial. Still, as you point out, good sturdy cane, assault brollie, or just a heavy leather belt with large metal buckle can be most helpful in a pinch. And if, like myself, you’re a plus size the flight attendants will even give you a flail, though they insist on calling it a seat belt extender.

    • Arggh. I saw the foot doctor yesterday, and I have a bunion bad enough that it has to be taken care of. If the cardiologist says OK, in 2-3 weeks, he’s going to do terrible but therapeutic things to my foot–not much walking and no driving for a couple months. I’ll be slower than anything for a while.

      The good news is that the local city is quite conservative, and I’ll have an excuse to dress heavier. I need to get a better CCW holster for the .45.

      • If you’ll forgive unsolicited advice, I highly recommend Adams Holsters. He’s my go-to holster maker.

        • No problems with unsolicited advice. Thanks!

          Later: IWB and my body aren’t very compatible. OTOH, I have something that could be made to serve well with my leather/hand sewing skills. Yes, lead time and price are both issues. (10-14 weeks on the site, and what’s in stock overlaps what I have, or is IWB.)

          • Feather Blade

            There’s a guy in Great Falls MT who makes holsters and shoulder rigs.

            I bought one from him at a massive flea market in St. Regis. It’s really comfortable to wear and gives my EDC a nice low profile, especially under a jacket. He can make them for left- or right-hand draw. His website is montanaholster.com, if you want to have a look.

      • Having neuropathy and gout, I find my time these days involves a lot of time off my feet and sitting. I’ve found a good (emphasis on “good”, no cheap nylon gun show specials) shoulder holster works best for me as far as comfort and accessibility.

        I personally use a Galco Miami Classic, but there are good designs from a lot of custom makers out there (such as my local go-to Stoner Holsters https://stonerholsters.com/)

        • My osteoarthritis wasn’t gout, but the symptoms are close; I understand. I have a Bianchi X15 shoulder rig that doesn’t fit properly without tweaks, but I figure I’m going to be getting bored pretty quickly after the procedure. An adapter for length (holster design assumes somebody shorter and less fat than me) and new straps should make it comfortable for EDC.

          Not sure how much I’ll be able to (legally) carry. The medical facilities and the doctor’s offices are all free-fire zones, but I can convincingly say my knife is a tool, not a weapon. I don’t think I can explain the 1911 as a dedicated 7/16″ drill.

          The Colonel would now be happy. That mouse gun (.380) was just too small.

  9. I guess I am praying for the mercy shown to children, fools, and Americans this next election (again). I don’t want to stick my head out, since I have little ones. I just want to raise them.

  10. Is the go and hide out of uniquely American?

  11. I don’t worry much about rough seas. Fat floats.

  12. This summer, Pacific Gas & Electric plans to “de-energize electric lines that pass through high fire-threat areas. These shutoffs will affect both distribution and transmission lines. The goal is to reduce the risk of fire during high-fire risk times such as high winds, low humidity levels and red flag warnings declared by the National Weather Service.”

    Depending on how long these high-fire-risk periods last, the shutoffs may give a lot of people some experience in living for a prolonged period without electricity.

    • I was doing document review on the lawsuits involving their fire last year. One of the lawsuits was reasonable — poor maintenance started a fire, and PG&E even admits it. The other was bat-guano crazy — PG&E was to blame for the Montecito mudslide. Because it was somehow their fault that the local plant life has waxy leaves that prevent water from being absorbed by the soil, and that by starting a wildfire they are responsible for all the waxy ash that caused the water to run off which caused the mudslide …
      I really wonder if the folks who are going to sue PG&E realize that no company in their right mind is going to provide them power if the company is responsible for basic botany …

      • *blink blink* You know, that’s got to be down there as one of the dumbest liability cases yet filed.

        • If it was filed on a contingency fee basis it might not have been so dumb. Given the judges in Calipornia and the (imagined) deep pockets of PG&E it is merely a lottery ticket; if it gets tossed out all it cost was filing fees and some lawyers’ spare time. If it wins? JACKPOT!

          Just one of the many reasons to have penalties imposed on frivolous lawsuits and various forms of loser pays.

          • “penalties imposed on frivolous lawsuits and various forms of loser pays.”

            By the Law Firm that encouraged the idiots …

    • Pacific Power in Oregon is doing the same thing in spots. Nothing east of the Cascades in the south, but SW Oregon might have some interesting days coming up.

    • PG&E has indicated these shutdowns apparently could extend past local service to fire-prone rural areas, but also include shutting down long-line high tension main transmission lines, i.e. the big stuff on the really tall metal towers.

      That means if there’s any high-wind fire danger assessed by PG&E along the lines anywhere from the dams, our last Nuke plant down the coast, or along any if the routes where out-of-state power is transmitted to the major urban areas, PG&E as a regulated monopoly public utility reserves the right to shut down said major urban areas power. For a week.

      PG&E’s priority here is to prevent any further losses to stockholders like the Camp fire, which destroyed the town of Paradise, that already have driven PG&E into Chapter 11 bankruptcy proceedings.

  13. Get a good nap on the plane, eh?

  14. Sarah you are not Superwoman. You have to sleep.

  15. I’m with the “Don’t take counsel of your fears…” folks, here.

    The leftoids worry me more with regards to the creeping takeover aspect of it all; they try the overt route, and the sh*t is going to hit the fan. They’re also going to be surprised how few people show up to storm the barricades with them.

    I think they’ve overplayed their hands. The latest crap with Google, and Ravelry? LOL… They finally got some of the little old ladies pissed-off, with that one. They don’t like the Donald, but they really don’t like having someone stick politics into their knitting.

    We’ll see. I don’t think that it’s going to come to a head, and go violent. That may be wishful thinking, but I just don’t see it happening, based on what I’m seeing/hearing. There was a conversation the other day, down at the local private grocery store, and the clerk/checker was losing her sh*t over something that our beloved Senator had done–I don’t know if it was Cantwell or the other crook, but when the checker’s cousin had called to complain about something the Senator had voted for, the idiot on the phone line chose to report her for making “threats” to the FBI. So, because someone had the temerity to call their Senator and complain, they got an FBI investigation for “communicating threats”. Which were unfounded–Witnesses to the conversation were available, because the cousin did it with some of her friends in a group, and, well…. Let’s just say that there’s a Senator who has seriously ticked off a bunch of gray-haired ladies who carry grudges. And, who had voted for her before. That ain’t happening, again.

    I think they’ve gone too fast, too hard, and there are too many people who are seeing them for what they are. Even the local Mexicans-that-are-probably-without-proper-documentation are talking about how the border needs to be closed… Which is a bit of a shock to hear.

    • BobtheRegisterredFool

      That’s comforting to hear.

      I was assuming that maybe I wasn’t paying attention, or was too ill to think properly. Because I’m calm, focusing on personal matters, and thinking I probably ought not let myself get too agitated over this stuff.

      Might be wishful feeling on my part.

    • Agreed.

      We’re Americans. It’s, like, a national flaw that we stand there and take insults and when someone winds up for as wing, we hit them over the head with a sledgehammer.

      • “Give ’em enough rope” was born here, after all.

      • Fox, to be clear I’m worried in the aftermath of “you can’t ask citizenship question” so that states can get more votes by importing more illegals, with us losing the ballot box entirely as an option.

        • Sounds like the Trump Admin was expecting the decision to go that way (it’s decidedly *not* final; the Supremes want either more info, or to go through lower courts.) Among other things, POTUS mentioned the possibility of delaying the census a bit, if it’s legal. Apparently, the working deadline is Oct 1 right now.

          • Timothy E. Harris

            The way I read the decision, in order for the question to get on the Census forms the Census Bureau has to give the District Court a logical reason to ask the question that satisfies the Administrative Procedure Act (APA) requirement of a “reasonable explanation”.

            The reason given so far, to help enforce the Voting Rights Act, didn’t match other evidence the District Court heard during the lawsuit so SCOTUS called it pretextual instead of genuine.

            Everything else at issue in the case was denied by the Supreme Court so the Census Bureau should be able to draft something the District Court will have to accept.

            • That’s unadulterated bullpucky.
              Enumerating citizens is the fricking point of a golldarned census.

              Also, that take isn’t quite accurate. They held it was legal, that the rationale provided was sound, but the director secretly had wrong think. (AKA: it’s different because ORANGEMANBAD!)

        • Thing is, Sarah, as I noted elsewhere – there is no rational reason to not have the citizenship question.

          However, the only rational reason for having one is to soak up a bit more of the fraudsters’ money in sending their election fraud teams out to make sure the question is answered “correctly.” Just like motor voter, they’ll check the box. I would expect the count of non-citizens (in States where the Order of the Blue Nobility rules) to pretty much only reflect those who are here legally and don’t want their long efforts to gain citizenship derailed over something stupid.

          What are they going to check it against? Statistically, it will be obvious – but impossible to nail an individual for fraud. Legally impossible, in fact. Census forms are mailed to addresses, not individuals (including vacant addresses, yet another avenue for fraud…). The law also specifically states that census information cannot be “used to the detriment of the persons to whom such information relates” (which negates the supposed fines for not answering, or falsely reporting).

    • I think they’ve gone too fast, too hard, and there are too many people who are seeing them for what they are. Even the local Mexicans-that-are-probably-without-proper-documentation are talking about how the border needs to be closed… Which is a bit of a shock to hear.

      The waves coming in aren’t Mexican, much less from their region, and those Mexicans that are coming in are freakin’ terrifying.

    • I hear you on the pushing too fast, too hard. The thing that’s going on down under about the Christian footballer… well, let’s just say when you have the financial support of various LGBT groups donating to your lawsuit after GoFundMe kills your original fundraiser saying ‘You cannot force acceptance,’ ya done messed up bad.

      Rough summary: Israel Folau had gotten his contract terminated after he posted a religious meme that homosexuals, atheists, fornicators, liars and some other sinners go to hell, but Jesus was the way to salvation; it was only the LGBT group that naturally got their panties in a bunch, and the footballer club refused to pay him the money he’d already earned, then proceeded to defame him via the media… which lead to GoFundMe terminating his fundraiser to help with the legal fees of the lawsuit that’s currently ongoing. For standing by her husband, his wife has also been a target of the screeching social justice wankers, but it looks like her netball club is standing by her.

      The big problem is the way the whole furore was handled. It’s being seen as a religious and political freedoms threat now, what happened to Folau, and it’s penetrated the mindset of the folks who otherwise wouldn’t have given a damn. Folau is/was also popular with football fans who wanted to have their children have a positive sporty role model to look up to, who wasn’t one of the usual scandalous sex-drug-and-fame jockeys, something that even I, who pays zero attention to the sports scene here knew about. GoFundMe killing the original fundraiser was probably the worst thing the CTRL-LEFT could have done. After local Christian support has set up a new fundraiser, people doubled their original donations, and the fundraiser got 2 million AUD within 48 hours, versus the original slow-but steady campaign.

      Aussies do not like being told what they can or cannot do, and this might just set back the whole LGBT acceptance push that’s been going on since the approval of gay marriage down under.

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7182537/Employment-lawyer-Josh-Bornstein-expects-sackings-like-Israel-Folaus-social-media-posts.html

    • I think they’ve gone too fast, too hard

      Another benefit of Trump. He has them scared; he’s been calling them on their bushwa and appointing judges (and justices) who don’t just play at being conservative.

      That’s the trouble with houses of cards: the least tremor and the dwellers within panic.

      They ain’t making conservatives like Bushes any more,
      They don’t turn the other cheek like they once done before …

    • I tend to agree. I think that the Far Left of the Democrat Party has seriously underestimated how much the antic of idiots like Antifa annoy rank and file Democrat voters. Even people who agree that ICE is heavy handed can get sick and tired of having roads blocked by imbeciles. I also think that Trans Rights only resonate with a smallish slice of the younger voters…and it’s the older ones who reliably go to the polls. Medicare for everyone sounds great (If you don’t think about who will pay for it) unless you already get Medicare. Then you might wonder whether your own service might get screwed up. And there must be a lot of Democrat voters in LA and San Fran who are tired of living in an oouthouse.

      Do I think these disaffected Democrats will vote for Trump? Not really, in any numbers. But they might well stay home. It will be interesting to see.

      As I’ve mentioned before (possibly tiresomely) I think the Old Guard of the Democrat Party may have written off 2020, and mean to let the Young Turks of the Far Left break themselves on Trump.

      If the Party pulls something like the Superdelegates move to dictate the nominee, that’s probably a sign that I’m wrong. But if they do so to put a more ‘mainstream’ candidate in nomination they’re going to have to come up with a better alternative than Old Joe. He’s got more baggage than Bill Clinton. Hell, he’s got more baggage than Zsa Zsa Gabor.

      • BobtheRegisterredFool

        We’re tired of hearing my “Hillary still thinks she can win” stuff right?

        • Hillary still thinks she was done in by some monstrous conspiracy, instead of her own flaws. Hillary belongs in some nice Home for the bewildered, and it’s a sign of Democrat disarray that she isn’t in one now.

          • Hillary claims she still thinks she was done in by some monstrous conspiracy. She is certain that her followers will believe whatever palatable lie she serves them.

            As for being undone by “her own flaws” – if caring too much is a flaw, she will live with her flaws.

            • *snort*

              Caring too much (or at all) about anyone but her precious self is not one of Shrillary’s ‘flaws’…as you doubtless know. If she were an animal, she would be a wasp.

  16. *starts designing a catapult designed specifically for dumb cars since Sarah finally found a use for them*

  17. The Left, and California, was represented pretty neatly in a picture here recently. Just wish I’d had a cameraor a cell phone at the time…

    One trailer park I was working in is fairly infamous for the quality, meaning lack thereof, of its facilities, grounds, structures, and most notably, residents. In particular there is one that stands out to me.

    Picture a ninteen seventies vintage singlewide, mildew stains and soggy wood steps, check. Piles of rotting trash, check. “Vehicle” on blocks, double check. Mind you it sits on what would be a fairly nice piece of property absent the eyesore. A little creek runs alongside it. Hill rises gently behind it. A body could, if they were so inclined, take deer from the back yard with a bow quite easily. Fog rises in the early morning, hiding much of the mess.

    What strikes you is the growing mountain of trash on the *roof* of the trailer. The young ‘uns took a liking to tossing their cans and whatnot up there. And the pile was not small the last time I was there but once.

    This last time, though, after many months of wondering how long it could stand… The trash finally won. The pile of trash on top of the trailer, surrounded by trash, is merely a pile of trash now. There’s only so long you can pile up the trash before the trash wins.

  18. I’m very glad that I am not living in the Bay Area right now. Even with the extended commute. I don’t have to be anywhere near there on the weekends and I’m not that deeply in SF on the week days.

    My big problem is that I can’t stockpile…apples, yes, apples… 🙂

    • often I don’t think I live far enough out from SF, and I am in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula!

    • Apples? They’re easy-peasey to stockpile. There’s applesauce, spiced apple rings, apple turnovers, apple preserves, apple jellies, apple cinnamon rolls, dried apples, apple cider, apple cider vinegar, hard apple cider, apple jack, apple brandy …


      Why do you think Johnny Appleseed was such an American icon?

      • Of course most American’s don’t remember that those weren’t apples for eating, but for making hard cider with….and Johnny got a cut of the profits. So yeap, very American icon, called the USS Entrepreneurship.

        • And he spread the Gospel with the proceeds. The Swedenborgian version.

          Yup, that is the kind of guy YouTube would demonetize and Twitter would ban. But real Americans got along with him.

      • We’re having issues in California getting items that start with “a”, go bang, and have some storage issues after the first of this month. Since I don’t want people to ask questions, I’m talking about…apples.

        How do you like them apples?

  19. “The American instinct is to go and “hide out” in the middle of nowhere, but in all the collapses of law and order I’ve witnessed/read about, isolated homesteads were the most dangerous (as they are indeed in South Africa today.)”

    One of the nice things about the “isolated homestead” is that it’s much too far for the zombies to walk. If you’re more than 40 miles from ground zero of a zombie apocalypse (otherwise known as the welfare cards all failing the same day) then the hungry hordes will never get to you. They’ll all burn out before they get 30 miles.

    As to the few clever, resourceful zombies who manage to get all the friggin’ way out to Hooterville, long sight lines favor the prepared. Your average zombie can’t hit a pop can at 100 yards. Your average farmer can.

    • 40?
      Mobs aren’t very mobile. Maintaining cohesion on the move takes discipline and coordination. Not to mention the physical exertion required, and how this selects against those looking for “free stuff”.
      I’m at about 15, and I’m fairly confident nothing significant will get within 10.
      I’m also relatively certain that my little neighborhood has more firepower than the city’s police force. So there’s that.

      Still screwed, though.
      I’ve got a chronically ill wife and a medically fragile child. Any sort of serious societal breakdown likely sees both dead in short order.
      I’d prefer to avoid that.

      • “Mobs aren’t very mobile”

        Mobs don’t have to be mobile. I was in So. California for the Rodney King riots, and we were around 50 miles from the riots (I believe). Sure, we didn’t get any of the actual “LA Rioters” in our area, but we DID get some local mal-contents drive through the neighborhood looking for targets of opportunity. US Marine base housing… BIG MISTAKE! LOL!

    • It’s also good for Ebola-chan. Well, that and concertina wire, ammunition, and burn pits.

      If you really want nightmares about the coming dark age, we’re bringing third world epic diseases back to a country where the most important qualification for medical and scientific personnel is how ethnic and differently-used their vaginas are.

      I’m not an anti-vaxxer, but the biggest arrow in their quiver of dissent right now is that we aren’t doing forced vaccinations of the various catch-and-release would-be colonisers. It’s only a matter of time.

      • “If you really want nightmares about the coming dark age, we’re bringing third world epic diseases back…”

        Yeah, like the new and exciting forms of tuberculosis that keep arriving from Africa and Asia. I know, I’ve been banging on about it since I saw RARE TROPICAL DISEASES showing up -commonly- in the dorky little hospital in middle-of-nowhere Marshall Minnesota. Sudanese goat herders working at the turkey-plucking plant.

        (And for the SJW read until offended brigade lurkers, I mean actual goat herders from the Sudan, working at the actual factory that ships frozen turkeys all over the USA, who kept showing up at the hospital with shit like Vanco-resistant TB, yaws which is a particularly nasty type of syphilis, exotic parasites of the gut, blood and lungs, and so forth. At. The. Turkey. Factory.)

        The doctor became very knowledgeable in tropical medicine very quickly, to the point where they heard hoof beats they thought zebras and giraffes, not cows and horses.

        For myself, I stopped buying frozen turkeys.

    • Son, aint’ nobody going to be walking. It’s NOT that type of collapse.
      It’s not the welfare recipients you got to be afraid of. It’s the CRIMINALS.
      And isolated farmland gets surrounded by trucks, and people get tortured for DAYS.

      • I do understand that. When I lived rural, I had a few spots that could have been fitted with an improvised directional (ahem) devices in very short order.

        But yes, small bands of criminals are a *much* bigger threat than inner-city riots going mobile. The zombie-like zerg rush is a minimal risk unless you live in an urban environment. On a strict risk/ reward basis, such groups be smart to avoid blue collar neighborhoods. That said, criminals are often tragically short on wisdom.

    • What I call “The welfare cards stop working” is another insane fantasy I think you need to be born and raised here to fear.
      They aren’t going to walk anywhere. They’ll sit there, bitch and moan about no one helping and if things get really bad attack each other.
      It’s the gangs, the dealers, and middle class gone bad you have to fear. And those drive.

      • They don’t drive far without gas, and I’m not counting on the pumps working. Mebbe the gangs are stockpiling, but I’m doubtful — long range planning is not really in their skill stacks.

  20. Sadly at this point there is no wilderness to flee to.

    • I’m not sure I agree there. Some national parks qualify as wilderness. Eric Anthony Rudolph did a fair job of evading the Feds in the Blue Ridge/Smokies wilderness area, and would likely still be running free today were it not for a hankering after junk food. I expect that there are large areas of the Eastern Carolinas and Virginia — and not simply the Great Dismal Swamp — where a body could take refuge. Camp Lejeune, Fort Bragg and Paris Island did not get put where they are because of the genial clients and local cultural attraction.

      Florida, Alabama, some major parts of Georgia, Mississippi and Louisiana are still pretty wildernessy, as I suspect are parts of Arkansas, Oklahoma and Eastern Tennessee.

      There are parts of Maine, upstate New York, and Michigan’s Upper Peninsula where I expect a family could make a home undisturbed. .Moving out to Montana, Wyoming, Utah, Colorado and the Dakotas there are isolated places aplenty. Heck, except for the relatively small areas around Reno and Los Vegas I gather Nevada is quite uninhabited.

      This is a very big country and much of it is only barely inhabited. The problem with wildernesses is that they are not terribly habitable.

      • Harold Hamblet

        Back in the 1980’s when I lived in El Cajon the San Diego COunty supervisor was asked about some new homes being built in the east county. “What homes?” Where? was the reply. No building permits has been applied for, none issued, and there was a countywide permitting system.

        There are significant areas of Maine with an official population of zero- but people are known to live there. People who are really off the grid.

        • Ditto New Mexico. New Mexico Magazine had an article a few years ago about a tiny community that lives off the grid, off the federal tax rolls (they file, but have no real income, so…) and were NOT trashing the place. It was hard-scrabble but the folks wanted it that way. *shrug*

          • “Homestead Rescue” – They’ve helped many families, in many states (including Douglas County, Oregon.)

            Even here in Eugene/Springfield area. Doesn’t take far, and you are well out of town and hidden. Maybe known to your immediate neighbors but not the world at large.

  21. Meredith Dixon

    >If you round a corner and see people beating each >other, run the other way (see why we told you to be in >the best shape?)

    No. Whatever you do, don’t run. Running will call the bad guys’ attention to you. That’s bad under any circumstances and especially bad if there’s any reason at all for them to fear leaving a witness alive.

    Instead, look away fast, and then walk away slowly, choosing a direction that will put something solid between you and potential gunfire as soon as possible.

    • I assumed it was a large clash and running saved my life a few times.

      • One need not literally “run” in order to “run away” — which is a bloody good thing for me, as my knees have long since rendered my running speed slower than my walking gait.

    • Yeah, if they are too busy to notice or you are far enough away, breaking into a run is fine. Otherwise, slide away out of sight, and then run. Changing direction so they can’t follow your backtrail, even.

      Know shortcuts, if you can.

      • There’s much to commend on turning a corner and executing an “Oh, hell no!’ Immediate reversal out of sight. It is a fair point that subsequent rapid exit from the area is called for, but immediate reversal into concealment is the required first step to avoid notice.

        Unfortunately those not spring loaded will do a classic 70s credits freeze-frame “What the HECK?!” move for long enough to be seen, and therein lies the need to run.

  22. Roy Madison Griffis

    I want to hear more about the economic warfare that was being unleashed on Sarah. That pisses me off. Is there a post I missed?

  23. I think the bluestate urban experience will vary: I would not want to be in Portland when the balloon goes up, or Seattle or central LA county, but there are some metropolitan areas where the politicians make appropriate mouth noises, but the PD actually keeps a fairly good lid on things.

    SF will be interesting – there’s an undercurrent of cracking-heads-policing there that goes way, way back, but with all the looniness that has arisen over the years overlayed on top. If any major threat to the Nancy-Pelosi-addresses arises, I’d expect the SFPD to go full nuclear pretty fast.

    Across the bay, things will just burn until they burn out. Expect National Guard being sent in to reestablish order.

    So choose wisely.

    • With what’s going on in Portland, up through “milkshakes” made from quicklime, and the tendency of TPTB to look the other way at Antifa’s assaults, it might not be the National Guard showing up to straighten things out. If memory serves, Eisenhower sent in the 101st to Little Rock in 1954. I could see the same, probably with some activities by some more special units.

      Case in point (and Ted Cruz is already calling for federal intervention)

      https://spectator.us/andy-ngo-get-deserved/

      Antifa seems to be reluctant to come where the police and citizenry are willing and able to strike back. Makes our weekly shopping trips a bit less exciting.

      • GOOD, because I’ve already seen folks point out how this mimics the Jim Crow laws– hold the “correct” political views, and you’re ok. Be politically on the wrong side? You can be assaulted with fatal intent.

      • Yeah, I just can’t see Governor Kate mobilizing the ORNG and sending them into the streets of Multnomah County to suppress antifa. I expect the police departments and County Sheriff will be on their own.

    • Chicago will also be a very interesting case. There is a set of rank and file within the Chicago police department which are as hard a set of cops as you will find anywhere. Frankly, subsets of that group of cops have come dangerously close, from time to time, to resembling one of the gangs they fight. It has been that way for a very long time – see Sean Connery’s speech in the Untouchables for example (“He pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue! That’s the Chicago way”). Some of the hardest cases may have been chased out and/or prosecuted, but Chicago’s police force is one which historically can handle $!#@ near anything.

      Then again, we’re already seeing attacks by “youths” in places where the tourists go and a homicide rate in certain neighborhoods which is just sickening. All of the bad guys in Chicago are armed … and armed well … (The police have occasionally confiscated antitank and other more modern weaponry.) Historically, there were very few good guys with guns in Chicago outside of the police … carrying a legal weapon required and requires a significant investment in paperwork. We’ve also had rioting and burning before … sometimes with just a win by the Bulls as justification. Order eventually got restored and some examples were made of the folks caught during the rioting.

      Bottom line – the usual suspects will burn the usual neighborhoods and the casualty rate may tick upward, but my prediction is that any breakdowns will stay very local and limited.