Don’t Jump Off That Ledge II – A Blast From The Past From June 24 2013

*I’m hearing a lot of the doom and gloom again, and heck, I’m feeling the doom and gloom myself, partly because of the shenanigans going on in my state, and because I know better than most how deep the fraud is and how hard it’s going to be to get a victory against it in 2020 no matter what. And how we might not be able to, after which if we’re lucky — and it’s still awful even if we are — all hell breaks lose. If it doesn’t, we’re going to hit Venezuela before we come up for air.
These are not pleasant thoughts, but please, please, please, be aware that in the long term it doesn’t mean we’re losing. If you expected our so called “elites” i.e. the people who want to be the boss of you to give up without a fight, you might be too optimistic o live.

Weirdly, man on man, woman on woman, on the street, the freedom-people are starting to win the culture. But we’re deeply screwed at the institutional level, and have been for a long time. It’s going to take a long time to do what my military friends would call unf*cking ourselves.  We must be in this for the long haul. Which means we must not give up and become suicidal now, when the tide is turning (for several reasons.)

If we work very hard, one way or another, our grandchildren will be free. And that’s a good enough reason not to give up.

I’ll do a more cogent post tomorrow.  Today I have SO MUCH to do, and until I can, I want this post to remind you things could be far worse. In many ways the peak of the “progressive” project was in the seventies. Thank heavens that’s past. – SAH*

Don’t Jump Off That Ledge II – A Blast From The Past From June 24 2013

At Least It’s Not The Seventies

Those of you too young to remember the seventies – looks towards the kiddy table – might not realize why this is a good thing.  Yes, I do agree with the Professor that at this point Carter is an (unattainable) best case scenario.  However, that’s politics, and politics is always several decades behind life.

Yes, I know tons of scientific advances and amazing stuff were being one in the seventies, but – either because the mass media controlled the dissemination of what it wanted to show – or (and having lived through that time I incline to the second) people really believed this bizarre stuff, a lot of odd ideas got credence in the seventies that right now only apply in highly specialized areas… like in colleges, or among the very young and the very stoned.

–          This is the dawning of the age of aquarius was semi-respectable.  No, the religious and the older people didn’t really buy into this, but “what’s your sign?” WAS a normal gambit for opening conversations.

I’m not going to discuss the relative merits of astrology, but I’m going to say when an entire civilization formed on the enlightenment principles chases after it, things have gone seriously wrong.

–          Psi power is the future.

It might be – but if it is it needs to be tamed and brought within the realm of the “studyable” (totally a word, shut up.)  It wouldn’t be the first odd knowledge to become mainstream and studied, HOWEVER – and this has been discussed ad nauseum on these pages before, both by me and the commenters when they were intent (for reasons known only to their psychiatrists) on creating a brand new magical world – the way we’ve gone about it is clearly wrong, and event he “best scientific efforts” of places like the USSR have failed to do anything.  “But Sarah,” you say.  “All the scientific advances from the USSR proved to be the ones they’d stolen, pretty much.  So their process was wrong.”  Oh, sure, as Solyndra proves top-down scientific research doesn’t work.  Also, note I’m not saying there are no psi-phenomena.  I couldn’t.  And any writer who can uses a different process.  BUT as discussed here, right now it seems to be powered by something that’s notoriously observation-shy.  This causes it to be a hot bed of trickster activity (some of it psi – read The Trickster and The Paranormal.)  But in the seventies, any number of otherwise educated people (Heinlein!) believed that a lot of our science could be profitably replaced with psi-stuff.  Even scientists believed that.  Again, maybe this is possible in the far distant future, when we tame the unobtanium that powers psi, but they thought they were in the process of doing that, and it was just around the corner.  Again, when a lot of people believe that, at our current level of knowledge of it, something has gone seriously wrong.

–          Communism is the future.

Yes, even a lot of people on the right believed this.  No, seriously, they really did.  You see, there were all those figures coming out of the USSR (like the ones coming out of China now – snort!) that said how much more efficient a controlled economy was, so of course, in the end they won.  A lot of the race on the right was to create a parallel, equally controlled but more humane system, so that in the end our system would win.  This was essentially social democracy (and sometimes Christian democracy.)  A lot of the GOP cut their teeth in this era (those older than me by a few years.)  This is why they act the way they do.  (Juan McCain, say.)  This is why their whole attitude is “the same, only slower.”

The fact they were wrong wrong wrong takes a while to percolate and might necessitate their death.  Whether we collapse before that, who knows, but at least we’re no longer there and the new generation doesn’t assume controlled is better.  Which is good because:

–          All tech is mass tech.

Even though things like Future Shock talked of micro manufacturing, no one believed it.  Now it looks likely to be the thing of the future.  Also things they didn’t know were in the future include blogs, information transfer, the ability for the individual to do more and have more power than ever before.

This makes the future horrifying, upside-down, and very much OURS.  “Ours?”  Yep, the odds, because dahlings, when the going gets weird, the weird get pro.

–          All Children Must Go Through State Indoctrination School

Yes, I know the homeschooling movement began in the seventies.  It was also mostly “unschooling” which only works if your kid is self-motivated and driven.  (I suppose in the end what I did with younger son came close to that.  He would spend the morning sprawled on my bed – it’s largest and my office is across from it – reading golden age SF, then write me essays about how the science and tech have changed, and that was a school day.  Or he lectured me on Greek Myth while we gardened, and that was a “test”.)  But now it is respectable, it’s becoming the default in some places, and there are so many resources.

-If You Don’t Want To Have Sex With Everyone, You’re Repressed &

In The Future There Is No Marriage.

Turned out those were only true in France.  Okay, only the second one.  Despite the statistics, etc, and despite the spectacular damage that the economy and the crazy fems have done on our kids’ chances of marriage, I believe we might have turned the corner.  At least there are fewer movies pushing general, forced promiscuity as the only way to be sane.

Mind you, now the feminists believe having sex with a man at all is a betrayal of the cause, but that’s something else, isn’t it?  When the most idiotic thing around is political neo- Victorianism it’s not good, but it’s considerably better than the Brave New World Assumption that you must have sex with everyone, all the time.  When THE gay cause is the securing of the benefits of marriage to same sex couples… We’ve won.  No, I know some of you don’t feel that way, but compare it to the “marriage is just a piece of paper” cause.  We’ve won.  In the future, we’re all married.  (But not to each other, en masse, because that would be icky.  Some of you don’t wear pants.)

–           UFOS

I leave it as a class exercise whether there are UFOs.  I mean, some of Puppet Masters’ is right on it, there could be real ones, in the mass of insanity.  But by the late seventies, we were getting the “UFOs are a spiritual phenomenon and these aliens tell us how to save the Earth” BS and no, really, no. Even Marxism is more rational or at least “integrated” as a religion.

–          Things Just Get Worse

I know that this is hard to believe, but it was expected then that double digit employment rates would last forever, that the economy would just get worse.  We had too many people, see, and the future was grey, starving and awful.  Again, they’re trying to resurrect that.  Don’t buy it.  It’s a lie.  (Though in most of Europe, which never had a Reagan, the 70s now look like a high point for stuff like savings and employment – not in the PIIGS though, they got tons of money from EU and…  Okay, those indicators still suck, but they do have more consumer goods.)

–          Bell bottoms, that particularly horrible brown that was everywhere.  That particularly

horrible orange that was everywhere, too.  Afro perms, even for guys.  Psychedelic wall paper. Yoko Ono.  No, this is not a “tastes cannot be disputed.”  It’s a “EWWWWW”

–          We’ve Learned

We’ve learned.  At least those of us not in the political class.  Most of these ideas bring out a half-laugh, sometimes embarrassed because we bought into them when we were very young.  Reading some of middle Heinlein does the same.  “Oh, sensitives, RAH, really?”  It’s hard to remember this was “respectable” at the time.  And though our kids are indoctrinated into Marxism, now they’re told it didn’t go right before, not that it’s the way of the bright and shiny future.  And the kids have a reckoning coming (poor things.  Unfortunately those of our kids who have been brought to reality have to go through it with them) and they will learn.  Some already are.

The most important thing we’ve learned is that communism is not our inevitable future.  And that’s enough.

Don’t jump off the ledge.  It’s not the seventies.  We’ve learned some, and the years between have proved us right and opened new tech options that are on our side.

In the end, we win, they lose.  Whoever tells you otherwise, just wants you to stop fighting.

 

204 responses to “Don’t Jump Off That Ledge II – A Blast From The Past From June 24 2013

  1. “I leave it as a class exercise whether there are UFOs.”

    Of course there are UFOs — the acronym does, after all, mean Unidentified Flying Object. Any time you see something in the air (or above it) that you can’t identify, you’ve seen a UFO. I’ve seen them myself, more than once.

    However, the enormous majority of those UFOs can be identified, with sufficient work, as something familiar. An airplane, a star, a planet, a bird, an optical illusion…

    That’s an aside, though. On the whole, I agree with you that the 70s are a decade better left on the trash heap of history.

    • One of the UFO shows from the 80s has a mass sighting with witness drawings that are, now, obviously, the B2 Spirit.

      • I always thought that the mythology surrounding ‘Area 51’ was borderline genius on the part of some Air Force security officer. I mean, what better way to cover up sightings of experimental aircraft than having them called UFOs by a bunch of kooks?

    • I have a world where most UFO sightings are young dragons messing with the humans.

    • I still say that a mature ethical space faring alien race upon discovering the Earth would immediately place our planet in isolation and begin careful monitoring simply to determine whether we ultimately destroy ourselves or develop interstellar capability. And even the most advanced stealth technology could very well have the occasional glitch resulting in an incident.
      I may very well be wrong, but since it’s impossible to prove a negative, who’s to know.

    • “UFOs are a spiritual phenomenon and these aliens tell us how to save the Earth”

      That would explain Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders. If by “save” you mean “prevent humans from developing space travel and forcing the Galactics to eradicate all life on Earth” then their solution is the road to salvation. If by “salvation” you mean a return to “nasty, brutish & short.”

      It would also explain polyester shirts. And adolescent boys wearing shirts open to their navels.

      • Those aliens are tricksters. Not to be trusted in anything. It really seems to be the exact same thing as fairies, elves, trolls and demons earlier. And these aliens seem to keep bigfoot and assorted other things, including ghosts, as pets, as the phenomena seem to be definitely connected in some ways.

        Could be several things, but there does seem to be something real behind it all. Almost definitely not “conventional” aliens though. One likely thing might be something natural which occurs in some areas and affects even completely normal human brains causing certain types of hallucinations. The reason why they seem to often be exactly same ones for people who don’t know each other – well, those stories are pretty well known nowadays, as certain stories were before, and you go into a forest which is rumored to maybe have bigfoot in there, then you are far more likely to see bigfoot when you get “zapped” by whatever than something like Santa’s elves.

        We now do know, after all, that at least certain fear experiences seem to be caused by some types of infrasound, so maybe other similar things can cause other things to happen in our brains.

        Personally I kind of like the idea of some alien intelligence behind it (not little gray men from Zeta Reticuli but angels, demons, faery, something like those…) just because it sounds more interesting than some impersonal something, and while, if there are, they most definitely don’t seem particularly trustworthy but at least the whatevers seems to have been around for so long that if it’s “they” they are probably not currently plotting the imminent destruction of all humanity or even individuals (at worst some will get probed), so no need to panic, just be cautious with them. But that is somewhat more a personal preference than a real conviction.

    • I’m sure there are plenty of Unknown Found Objects.

      (kudos to whomever gets that)

  2. Schooling.
    When I lived in New Orleans, I knew of two public schools and one magnate run by the school board. Look at a map, and there are/were a lot of schools in NOLA, but most kids go/went to private schools. Even in the ‘burbs, there were a ton of privates. But even barely lower-middle class black families tried to get their kids into a private school if they lived in Orleans Parish.
    It was old hat by the time I got there in 84.
    Sure,much is still leftoid indoctrination, but the teachers I knew were far more conservative(and very anti-union) than the public school teachers.

  3. Where can I find part I? Must be OCD. I can’t stand reading part II on its own.

  4. No.

    I will never let go of psi power.

    AT least in fiction.

    *rereads Necroscope books*

    • Also John Farris’ Fury books.

    • Also this is awesome

    • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

      Larry Niven had an article on “psi power” (can’t remember the title).

      Basically, his argument was if psi powers were part of “being human”, then the psi powers should have existed since we became “human”.

      If the psi powers existed, then they should give an advantage to the “tribes” who used them over the “tribes” who didn’t use them.

      Of course, being an author he suggested why the psi powers might not be an advantage. IIRC, one reason was that the psi powers were always linked to insanity. 😀

      Of course, IMO it’s possible that psi powers require a “magic power source” and the “Magic Went Away”. 😀 😀 😀 😀

      • Another possibility is that they’re a wash. Like a lot of forms of intelligence. The confer some advantages, some disadvantages. Another is that they’re a heck of a lot more subtle than we tend to think. And/Or tend to be rationalized away.

        • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

          Of course, there’s Heinlein’s “Lost Legacy”.

          Some time in the past, powerful psi took power and prevented “lesser psi” from gaining psi power.

          Their civilizations fell into war and destroyed themselves.

          Thousand of years later, only a few have learned how to access this Lost Legacy but some preferred that general humanity NOT LEARN of it. 😈

          Of course, the above is just a fiction idea concerning psi powers.

          More and more, I’m coming to the opinion that while we have potential for psi powers, it’s a mercy that most people don’t/can’t access them.

          IE It’s a dangerous universe out there and the use of psi powers makes the users prey to dangerous beings. 😦

          • “Beware the demons of the ID!”

            • Demons of ID? I’ve been monitoring the Wizard of ID for about as long as I can remember.

              • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_Planet

                In the movie, a scientist got connected with an alien machine which was intended to give the aliens mental control over their environment.

                Apparently, the aliens destroyed themselves when their sub-conscious (the Id) mind gain power to interact with the “real world”. IE The aliens were destroyed by the monsters/demons of the Id.

                Oh, while the human scientist didn’t have full control of the alien machine, his sub-conscious mind had full linkage to the alien machine thus creating an invisible monster that went after anybody who threatened the scientist’s “world”.

                • Can you please explain how to suck eggs? I’m getting on in years.

                  • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

                    Knowing you, I suspected that you were making a joke.

                    But somebody else might not have recognized the “demons of the Id” idea.

                    • Just making sure you hadn’t gotten me confused with some gormless noob. My SF film background is deep … although I confess I’ve not bothered to see many since Revenge of the Jedi. Few of the reviews of anything since has encouraged me that they would be time well spent.

                      And some stuff simply got missed as Life got busier. I’ve happily been able to catch up on Babylon 5, so I acknowledge not all of it was wasted videotape.

                    • When I bought my first VCR in 1985, the first thing I rented was Forbidden Planet.

                      IIRC, it was “monsters of the id”, but it’s been a long time since I’ve seen it.

                    • I think the last DVD I purchased (we don’t PPV, and online movies aren’t a good fit with satellite internet) was Happy Feet. Once we hit the sermon on plastic crap in the ocean I had to resist walling the disk.

                      We haven’t set foot in a movie theater since we moved here in ’03. Doing our part to starve Hollywood.

                    • Too bad, Pete. The Marvel movies can be pretty good. Starving Hollywood, I’m sorry to say, still means you just don’t get to see anything feature-length. Also, I’m pretty sure Netflix still mails DVDs and blu-rays.

                • I love that movie.

          • Current audiobook is The Science Fiction Hall of Fame, Vol. 1, 1929–1964 and a recent portion had me revisiting “Mimsy were the Borogroves” — which leads me to suggest that the potential for psi-powers exists but our conformation to Euclidian reality blocks access to them.

            Psi, astrology and a number of similar phenomenons might be explained via Quantum Physics, if only because Quantum Physics sorta kinda explains anything you like.

          • There’s a lot to be said for your notion. Kind of like it’s probably a good thing most folk can’t see demons.

        • BobtheRegisterredFool

          Zener card experiments have unstated and perhaps unfounded assumptions about the nature of a hypothetical telepathy. If those assumptions are wildly wrong, even if telepathy exists then the card experiments would not detect it.

          If psychic powers exist, and if they function wildly different from the way magical thinking causes us to suspect they exist, then we would not easily discover and experimentally verify them.

          Intelligence is very calorically expensive. Most of the mutations which lead to higher intelligence and which do not come with serious drawbacks seem to have spread very widely.

          Even if the universe permits the existence of psychic powers, that does not mean that are nervous system is able to interact with the mechanism. Even if our nervous system could interact with the mechanism, that does not mean that the processing capability of the brain is suited to making it comprehensible.

          I’m a big fan of Doc Smith. I don’t find psychic powers particularly exciting or plausible.

          • -not plausible –

            We can still hope.

            -not exciting-

            Oh, well then you’re wrong.

          • Well, Smith *did* write “The Galaxy Primes” and the “Subspace Explorers” series…

          • I like Julian May’s approach to psy powers. Between the metaconcert finagle and the powered augmentation (all in the various Golden Torc->Magnificat books) she managed to sidestep the caloric/energy issues. Mostly, anyway. Some of what the various Big Brains could do alone violated that, but what’s a bit of handwavium among friends?

            Me, I have no real life beliefs in psychic powers, but they can be fun in fiction.

        • From all I can determine, the problem is that they’re INCONSISTENT, including in the same person, so they’re not possible to bring into the rationally based scientific revolution.
          Take my prophetic dreams: no, really. They’re unpredictable, about details of things in the future, and usually totally uninformative.
          The two I remember best: one at about 15: I was wearing a cocktail-type dress and fixing my hair in a bathroom I didn’t know.
          I recognized the bathroom when I saw it: my host family’s bathroom in Ohio, when I was 18. And the snapshot? Getting ready for prom. Why that dream? Who knows? Nothing significant happened at prom, which I attended with a friend.
          The one that scared crap out of me: sixth grade, when son was almost-failing and threatening to drop out and was in continuous trouble with admin (we didn’t know he was being bullied.)
          Snapshot. We’re dressed in our best, heading out the door. Dan yells, “Come on. You’ll be late for your court date” and younger son comes down the stairs in a suit.
          The fulfillment: at seventeen, when he entered college, he was driving our terminal Mustang convertible, whose speedometer didn’t work. He went over the speed limit on a school zone. Not by much, but yes, ticketed, court date. (Rolls eyes.) And I spent five years in dread of that moment. It was a nothing burger.
          You tell me what use that stuff is.
          Even the “about important stuff” dreams: I dreamed of the towers coming down off and on for a month before. No time frame. No what happened. Just fire and fear and two skyscrapers coming down. It was too tightly focused to even identify the twin towers, though we’d spent a summer the year before.

          • First, all developing traits are inconsistent. How long does it take a child to develop linguistic ability even with the presence of multiple role models? How long did it take human apes to move from grunts to iambic pentameter? See “Mimsy were the Borogroves” reference elsewhere this page.

            Second, given that Sequential Time is an illusion, a heresy and we actually exist (albeit unaware of) Simultaneous Time, the occasional prophetic dream is an easily explained abrasion of the Sequential Membrane which blocks our recognition.

            Third, I am now called away to visit one of the household Polite Euphemisms because I am suddenly aware that I am obviously full of …

          • Yes. I can’t even list them all. Just a quick couple blinks in a dream of a scene; totally out of context of the actual “dream”. Then the exact actual scene occurs & the realization I “saw” this before it happened. But nothing occurring to make it clear as to why it would be important to pre see scene.

            It happens.

            • OT: Did you do OK with the storm(s)? Monday, we lost power several times, and the Medford weather radar is out for the duration, but today’s 8″ dump didn’t get that much wind. We saw the news about Eugene’s foot of snow.

              • We’re not done yet. Getting snow for the last 4 hours, probably an inch so far. Better stop. Another foot or so & we tromp with larger ladder over to mom’s because her flat roof has to have snow removed. Last time that happened was 50 years ago. Also snow is officially over the dog’s head. Not that she’ll have anything to do with it … you’d think she was a cat!!!

                We were fine power wise. A lot of flickering, that news (while we had it) was reporting as power surges. Lost TV & Internet (major line down). Heard reports of power outage all over the county. Then there is the Amtrak problems in Oakridge. Passes are pretty much closed, whether trying to go over the Cascades or to the Coast; trees & power lines …

                Roads aren’t bad IF you can get out of the neighborhood. Haven’t even seen the mail …

                Funny thing. Mom & a friend were suppose to head to Canada this morning … they MIGHT go tomorrow afternoon or Thursday early, weather permitting. If they can’t go Thursday, they won’t be going.

                FWIW. Snow was neat, for the first 2 or 3 inches. I’m over it now. Global warming, my a??.

                Really good news. No Giant Sequoias to have large limbs break & come down on the house. The trees were taken out Aug 2017 because of the 2017 winter Ice Storm. Based on what we’ve seen from the neighbors who still have their Sequoias & Redwoods, that is one of the best $4000 we’ve spent. You’d have thought we were psychic or something. (No?)

                • It was snowing at 5AM when I got up, and it has been going at various intensities all day. At peak, we were getting an inch an hour of very wet snow. The Eureka weather office (Medford is offline) called it a semi-permanant front. We got snow from it a bit Saturday and now. Had a few breaks, but not today.

                  We removed most of the trees near the house (following the firebreak guidelines from SB360), but so far, we haven’t had any major limbs down, at least not where I can see them. There’s a grove hidden by a ridge that can wait for me to get to where I can see it.

                  The good news is that the dogs aren’t willing to dawdle in potty breaks. Last night, they were interested in something else; the small herd of deer cut through our property to get to the river and drove the dogs nuts.

                  No power outages today, but the wind has been tolerable. If the forecast is correct, tomorrow is plow and digout day. Lost count of the number of times we cleared the deck–wraparound, and not our idea.

                  We remind ourselves we need the water. Still expect the tribes to do another water call on the river because they can.

                  • Snowed pretty much all day yesterday. Stopped sometime before 7:30 AM today. Frozen. Warmed up to just above freezing. Started up again about 3:30 PM. Hasn’t stopped. Big fluffy flakes. Not fast but steady. Dog will only go out on swath of grass in front of house about 2 feet wide (overhang of house), or was. Current snow is drifting onto that. Cold isn’t bothering her. But she doesn’t care for the snow under her feet. Ice, that hurts, I understand. This keeps up the paw boots are going on & I’m getting out the camera.

                    Snow plow? Nope don’t *own one. Snow Shovel? Nope. Again, don’t own one. Although we have shovels that are square, just not the big snow version. They’ll work. Have to point out … why? We don’t get snow. Dang it.

                    * Heck the City & County (which technically we are the latter) don’t have enough plows to make a pass through the neighborhoods, ever.

                    • We normally don’t get much snow, though at one time (1950s and early 90s) we were told that high snowfalls occurred. The most we’ve seen was about 14″ of powdery snow, but this storm has been what we call “Cascade concrete”, frequently with a layer of ice underneath. Lots of water. Most winters, we’ll get a couple of 4″ dumps and mostly 1-2″ ones. However, Global Warming gave us this stuck-front storm. (Hey, any weather that’s not Camelot perfect must be global warming, no?)

                      Not sure how many snow shovels we have. The utility tractor is wearing a front snow blade and a rear blade. If it gets too nasty, I’ll swap the blade for the loader bucket. The county and ODOT do a decent job on the highway and major roads, but our chunk of gravel is all on us. I’ll do some, and the guy at the end of the road will hire someone to do his portion.

                      I was told that we’d get a 3′ dump every winter or two when we moved here. Never happened (did get a 2′ dump over two days, once), and I hope we don’t get any. This stuff is hard to deal with already.

            • Yeah. That tends to be how it works for me. In the rare cases that I remember a dream, I’ll know it seemed to be something that is going to happen, and thus will remember it, then it happens and I think ‘I remember this?’. I’ve had two dreams that I felt were something coming, and that never happened, the freaky part is in one I dreampt of meeting a rather attractive and nice young lady and romance was indicated…then about 2 years later I had a dream where I met the lady in the dream and she basically told me it wasn’t going to happen because I had changed to much…I was depressed for some time after that.

          • I have had some of those too. Of completely unimportant things, like a scene in some children’s cartoon I happened to catch one morning in television when I had come home from work and turned on the television to see morning news (happened before internet). I recognized the scene because I had written the dream down, I used to keep a dream diary on and off when I was young. And I had most certainly never seen it before anywhere except that dream because I didn’t watch cartoons, and even the way that scene happened to come up was rather weird because it was due to me having done some completely random channel surfing and happening on that channel at just exactly the right moment in time.

            So the whole damn thing seemed kind of circular: I noticed the scene which happened to come up right when I happened to hit that particular channel because I recognized it as the one I had seen in that dream, and maybe I had dreamed of it because I would happen to hit that channel right when it came and notice it as familiar from that dream and that was bit of a shock.

            Useful? Not even a little bit. Really weird, and so quite memorable? Yes.

          • The exact lay out of a place I later worked, including people’s faces. I was writing down dreams at the time because they tended to turn into plots. I confirmed the details. I chunked the note book. It wasn’t exactly the kind of place there’s supposed to be written descriptions of. I’ve got more stores, but yes, that’s EXACTLY the sort of thing I’m talking about. Soemtimes truth is less impressive than fiction.

            • I’ve had rare moments of Deja Vu, but it’s more like “I’ve seen this before” without ever recalling a dream or vision or whatever. Hasn’t happened in a hell of a long time (I recall one instance in the early ’70s, nothing extraordinary from later times.)

              Oh, looks like WordPress has me on multi-minute delay. Sigh.

              • Not deja vu. Those two dreams I told other people about. And the 9/11 ones, I woke up quite literally screaming almost all month. We were considering getting me some kind of psychological help. then it hit.

                • Yeah, I’m decidedly psy-deficient. The only way I sense oncoming disasters is through normal senses, so I never got any of that gift/curse.

          • (Nods) I’ve dreamed stuff that happened later. It’s always been something utterly mundane, like walking down a particular hallway.
            I’m really, really okay with that.

          • I always have figured the purpose of the unimportant moment phrophetic dreams was to teach me to pay attention to that sort of dream. Maybe I’ll never need to again pick a moment and act, but maybe I will.

            Oh, mine aren’t sure and certain futures. They’re preventable futures. So knowing what to not do has occasionally, well, how would you go about proving it wasn’t a false dream rather than that your choices changed the future?

          • Understand completely. I’ve had more than my share. They are completely sporadic, snippets, and the signal to noise ratio is insane. And sometimes the information is there, but absolutely nothing that can be done to prevent it. Absolutely nothing. I scream like Cassandra about things which are obvious 1+1=2 situations and no one listens, so why would they listen to a prophetic nightmare?

            • Timothy E. Harris

              A friend of mine had one dream with enough information and a bad outcome to call a friend and probably save her. She described that friend’s afternoon first date (which she had just returned from – this was pre-cellphone) and where they were (which she had never seen before) accurately enough to convince her to cancel that evening’s planned activities upon hearing the dream’s outcome.
              That date was arrested for serial murder within weeks.

              But there were dozens of dreams with not enough information to do anything about – not enough to even check out whether they happened as seen in dream-state. It was intensely frustrating for her.

          • $SPOUSE once claimed a bit of prophetic powers, primarily about earthquakes. She’s willing to admit it might be (narrator: probably is) because she’s the lightest sleeper around and damnably sensitive to vibration/sounds.

            OTOH, when she pre-sensed a major fire in Paradise (not the last one, a previous biggie), we did some extra careful cleanup in MIL’s yard. That one saved the house. (Fires had spotted her yard, but we got the leaves and limbs away from the danger zone.) The house didn’t survive the Camp fire, but the next door neighbors bought it a couple years ago… Their own house survived with minor damage, but MIL’s old place was leveled. No advanced warning on $SPOUSE’s dream-radar, but it was in a don’t-care state for her.

        • Timothy E. Harris

          As one who has had precognitive dreams involving people I had not yet met in places I had not yet been – and knowing one other person who has had them as well, I can’t dismiss all psi claims. But based on my very small sample, it doesn’t seem amenable to being controlled – and the prescient dreams are seldom different enough from the normal dream nonsense to be reliably identified until the scene unfolds hours, days, weeks, or months later.
          With an “ability” that random with no rational explanation who would advertise it? And given that years can go by with no provable manifestations of it how would one even study it?
          IOW, It’s anecdote, not evidence. Of course it’s rationalized away.

          • Oh, indeed. That’s rather what I was getting at. How would we even go about isolating it, much less controling it? Much less any of the OTHER wierd things that are out there but people don’t tend to talk about unless they’re around other people who have seen similar weirdnesses.

      • The anime series Witch Hunter Robin also addressed that: the people with psi powers were the gods and god-kings of ancient times. They were tyrants and the normal overthrew them, and a secret society of ‘witch hunters’ have been killing or neutralizing anyone with signs of psi powers ever since.

        But in good storytelling fashion, it turns out Robin the witch hunter is in fact a witch herself, and gets hunted and has to take shelter in the underground witch community where she learns things aren’t quite as black and white as she thought (not that the psi-powered ‘witches’ are all perfect angels, it’s just not black and white.)

    • Amen brotha.

    • I’ve been in online arguments from people who insist that the works with psionics are fantasy. No amount of pointing out that they invoke the authority of science moves them.

      • Me too. But a lot of people think anything not-today-science is fantasy. Their loss.

        • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

          Well, IMO there is a strong connection between “psi powers” and “magic”, BUT “psi powers” have been labeled “science” in most SF that uses them.

          As for the “real world”, psi powers aren’t science … yet. 😉

          • Right, but what we right is not in the present. Largely.

            • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

              I’ve heard that Poul Anderson considered Faster Than Light travel Fantasy but continued to write stories with Faster Than Light travel and “labeled” his work Science Fiction. 😀

              • Because the label is to help it connect with the fans who’ll love it. NOT to make some mega point.

              • That’s because he succumbed the possible/impossible definition.

                The actual difference between SF and fantasy is that SF attempts to suspend disbelief by appeal to the authority of Science. Hence, the experiments make psionics Science.

      • Depends on how it’s used.

        There are stories where psi power is just a stand-in for some fantastic element. Stuff like the Pern books, or Lackey’s Herald horses books, where it’s too neat.

        For it to be sci fi, it would need to really get into the nitty gritty, address the mechanisms of it, and maybe get a little messy now and then. In the more extreme cases, stuff like the movie Scanners.

        Not that it can’t be far out and fun too. In the Fury books by Farris, they have psychic projections/dopplegangers that are solid and even take on lives of their own. Gene Wolfe has done the same thing in his Solar Cycle books.

        Then there’s my personal pet peeve: when psychic communication is as easy as face-to-face conversation or talking via telephone or Skype. It should be…imprecise. Information dropped into your head, so you’re either intuitively certain, or even subject to misunderstanding.

        • Nah. If it appeals to the authority of science, it’s science fiction. Hence, because a space opera has starships and blasters, which we know are scientifically developed, it’s SF. No detail needed.

          • But I love those little details! The throbbing forehead vein, the drip of blood from the nostril when the psychic has pushed him or herself to the limit, the chill in the air that may presage psychic or otherworldly phenomena…

          • And space opera has to have some nods to science here and there. Otherwise you get the cringe of outer space bombers where the bombs fall.

  5. Also this is awesome.

    • (Sorry to post this as a reply to a comment–mobile isn’t giving me a post button for a top-line comment. X.x)

      …I hadn’t actually noticed myself getting more depressed/uncertain, but it does occur to me that my passive doomerism prep has shifted from food/fuel/weapons to improving how I look “on paper” for emigration purposes.

      That’s not saying I’ve given up or anything, or even have the faintest clue where we’d go yet… but I am increasingly worried about (in a decade or so) seizure of excess goods and mass unpersoning, given some of the things that seem to catch the public psyche now. Even if I didn’t quite put it in words until just now, even in my head.

      It is good to be reminded that… there were some really odd things taken as fact and we survived. (Also makes some parts of Fallen Angels make more visceral sense–“non materialistic science,” snicker!) May it continue to be so.

      …goodness, I hope late pregnancy just makes you morose, cause I’m definitely having trouble finding an up angle to end this comment on.

      • Emigrating? Nope. If this country goes down, I’m going with it. And if I survive, I’ll be there to build something from the ashes. If this country goes down there’s going to be no where left to run.

        And yes. Late pregnancy brings WEIRD moods. (Been there twice.) Sometimes really up swing (son). Sometimes really down (daughter). It seems to latch your brain on to something an pump the volume up to unreasonable levels.

        • “If this country goes down there’s going to be no where left to run.”

          And that is a point that the Communist/Fascist/Leftist/Liberal/Maoist/Marxist/Progressive/Socialists in this country just don’t get. We are the last bastion of conservatism and liberty as embodied by the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution in the world. Trying too get rid of us once and for all is backing the bears, the wolf pack, into a corner. We’ve only snapped at them a couple of times; not seriously gone on the offensive. They’re not going to like the results if they push us much more.

      • There is nowhere to go.
        Also, I think this is already turning to our side. not saying there won’t be some awful times in between, but I think actually in a decade or so we’ll be OPENLY on the upswing.
        BE NOT AFRAID.

        • I can think of several scenarios where my cold-dead fingers are involved, but I can think of many more where things turn much better. God knows; I don’t. I’m not going to worry, but I am and will still be preparing for stuff.

          I’m noticing that the leftists seem to be panicking and over-reacting over a lot of things. I really should pick up some popcorn.

        • I’ll do my best. I’m really not sure what’s gotten into me.

          On the bright side, I’m feeling a bit better today, so… go through the motions until you feel it, eh? Head down and keep moving.

          Thank you for being a light

          • Pregnancy is weird. With Marshall I spent the last three months have bizarre, vivid blood and slaughter nightmares. I think because I thought I was going to die (almost died with Robert.) Funny thing, birth was actually easy, and my mood lifted immediately after, and everything looked different.
            With Robert it was morose and hopeless low level depression the last three months and A YEAR AFTER. The type of depression that makes you stupid. Like you have to think hard to know how to tie your shoes. I think that was because of pre-eclampsia, but I could be wrong, too.

      • I can relate to the ‘late pregancy makes you morose’ – it’s part of the whole being super tired/body fuels the baby-growth thing.

        Emigration would be difficult, though Australia is a maybe, if you move to somewhere that ISN’T Victoria/NSW.

        As a counter to the sad; Castle Law was upheld here very recently, and it was only very recently passed on the federal level. Short story of it: A man killed a burglar who’d broken into the house; he also had a wife with baby in there. Courts ruled self-defense

        • Oh, neat! That’s *definitely* an encouraging thing!
          I never really understood why it was all supposed to be controversial. But I live in a “back to the wall” state myself, so… *rollseyes* I am ridiculously glad of Australia upholding, though! Thanks for the news 🙂

          • Yeah, it was a topic of conversation in the house for a long time, especially since there were a number of break-ins when most of Townsville’s military populace was deployed overseas. I had small children and I’m small, so, yeah. The law only was recently passed (I think, December?)

            Luckily the only time I ever got the closest to a break-in was a very, very drunk guy thinking our front door was his and was complaining that his front key didn’t fit wtf why is this happening and his friend going “DUDE YOU ARE DRUNK YOU ARE THREE STREETS AWAY” and ‘nooo I know this is my house’ and eventually the drunk guy being dragged/persuaded off to the proper house by his friend. I was standing just around the corner with the heaviest hardback I could find and lift.

            (Oh, and have I mentioned how much I hate how most Australian houses that are single story have the master bedroom at the front of the house? I’m like WHY?!)

  6. Comparing now to the status quo of five years ago, I feel soooooo much better.

    • Dialing the status comparator to the 1970s, I’m recalling Jimmuh’s “Age of malaise” and the “Limits of growth” craptwaddle. I’m not thrilled with the current inflation, but it’s a hell of a lot better than we had back then.

  7. “If You Don’t Want To Have Sex With Everyone, You’re Repressed”

    Boy do I have the scars from that one. I was very repressed by my parents & self repressed. Never broke down (stubborn is one of my middle names) … Oh, thank GOD.

    Ironically. My sisters & I are not giving support to mom (84), to not have to “hook up” because obviously with dad being gone she “needs someone”. Mom has no interest. She is upset by the pressure. At least someone who has been through this, I can honestly state. “Tell them to butt the hell out.” Just ignore them. Don’t be available to them. Been there & survived, I didn’t have the third option as one place it occurred was at my work place (yea, now would be different. Sure in the hell wasn’t in the ’70s); did get better (outlast, see definition of stubborn above), then moved to a different location, finally.

    • Tangential to your comment, this makes me think of the new insult that’s all the rage – incel. For people who don’t like slut shaming, fat shaming, victim shaming, or The Government In People’s Bedrooms, the Left sure doesn’t mind shaming people for what’s not going on in their bedrooms.

      Not that the people who do this are all committed Leftists, but that’s just how deeply ingrained they’ve ingrained this behavior into society. It’s deeply rooted in Leftist philosophy, going back at LEAST to Charles Fourier, and synthesized by Engels to make it pretty much foundational to Marxist theory – destruction of that nasty old oppressive bourgeois institution: The Family Unit.

      • I find Joseph Fourier preferable to Charles Fourier.

      • That one, not so much. I’ve never seen “Incel” used in reference to someone who was not engaging in sex because they didn’t want to.
        I’ve only ever seen it used in reference to people who wanted to get laid but weren’t, and blamed other people for their lack of getting laid.

        • Oh good, that explains why I was so confused at the whole ‘Incel = ‘someone who doesn’t want to get laid’ thing. They flipped it.

          The people who they accuse of this usually are the people who really don’t want to get involved with someone else (MTGOW; asexual; just doesn’t want to risk having livelihood, house, children ripped away at first fight with the wife)

          ..that they then imagine are angry about their situation. The men-refusing-to-have-relationships-or-even-casual-sex thing is self-preservation, that increased in the wake of #MeToo. Someone I know had a (sensible) female boss who, when the whole #MeToo thing started, passed around a company policy that male employees were not to ever be alone with either female employees or clients in a room that isn’t 1) open door 2) glass walls 3) In the company of at least one other female employee and male employee acting as ‘chaperone’ (more like witness.)*

          The company feminists were happy about that until they realized the female boss in question had done it to protect the men of false accusations of misconduct. The boss was one of those no-nonsense old-school equalists who expected the feminists in the company to use #MeToo for false accusations at the slightest criticism.

          The interesting thing was when a female employee accused a man of being happy to talk to a female client outside the ‘office’ proper – the accuser saw the man chatting politely (shop talk, so it was related to work stuff, not personal) in the lobby with the client in question. The accusation was a weird, convoluted “he wouldn’t get into the conference room with her alone because he had ill intentions of sexual nature.”

          Female employee found herself unemployed in short order, for false accusations against an employee who was following company policy.

          • “The people who they accuse of this usually are the people who really don’t want to get involved with someone else (MTGOW; asexual; just doesn’t want to risk having livelihood, house, children ripped away at first fight with the wife)”

            This, and the fact that it’s the hip insult right now.

            • Some of those targeted use much rougher language on line. “Incel” would barely raise an eyebrow, more likely ignored.

            • “Oh, I don’t want sex, that’s an insult somehow? Or are you upset that your potential dating pool is shrinking by the day?”

              (I know of someone who regularly gets women upset at him for ‘not wanting to date or have sex or anything to do with a woman that isn’t friendship, ever.’ Folks here who know me well can guess who that is XD)

          • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

            LOL 😆

          • The formerly-employed woman sounds like the activists who insist that guns/knives/whatever be banned because if THEY had access to weapons (tools, IMHO, but anyway), they’d hurt/maim/kill people.

        • Never heard lefties using Incel as an insult, without knowing the first thing about the private lives of their target? Shadowdancer gets it right below.

          “Incel” as an insult is quite fashionable.

        • I have. Albeit from the sort of people who say you live in your mother’s basement if you provide a counter-example.

    • I might have related this before, but… is amusing story:

      It was just a conversation, so don’t get your hopes up – or down. There was a woman in many of my classes, Kelly. She was either the only one or one of very few, and so she got some attention. She handled it and herself quite well and summed it up as “Really, I’m just one of the guys.”

      I don’t think it was her boyfriend, but more likely someone who wished to be her boyfriend who was pestering her one day about the idea of a threesome. He figured it would be a very cool thing and she was thoroughly put off by the idea. This went on for a while, and it was getting to be distracting and not in a good way. I realized I had been handed the equivalent of a good straight line and it was time for a punch line.

      “Kelly,” I said, “I think you’re looking at it wrong. I expect you’d really like it, but you’d have to set one condition.” This got the attention of both of them. The guy was still far too hopeful and Kelly was suspicious but curious. She or they asked about the condition. I replied, “Simple, you get to pick who the other guy is.” *ZERO TIME PASSES* Kelly lit up with a huge grin, and the guy’s mood turned from eagerness to disgust. In an instant, they had traded attitudes.

      I was still distracted for a while, but now I was giggling. I was not alone in that.

      As far as I know nothing more happened. And if anything did, I didn’t hear about it, let alone participate.

    • Wow. Just re-read. To be clear. GIVING mom support to stay out of the hookup crowd. Or rather support whatever she want, regardless of our feelings. That the feelings match, is just a bonus.

      Pretty sure the double negative reads that way & is coming off sarcastically toward the ones pressuring her to “find a man”. But, you know, JIC …

      • Thanks. I figured that was what you meant, but it was confusing enough that it’s good that you clarified it.

        • Thanks.

          FWIW. If someone had called me on it. I’d have responded the same clarification, with a “Thank you”. Only instead of WOW, would have been a little more, uh, earthy, toward myself.

      • Is it a bad sign that I figured it out right away? It’s been a long week already.

        • Nope. Not a bad sign. Relief to me. It’s like you know me, & we’ve never met, outside these “chats”.

          Yes. It has been a long week already. I don’t even have little kids at home …

  8. Now, why s it that I think an attractive young black woman wearing an Afro the size of a beach-ball looks great, while an objectively handsome black man wearing the same looks like a twit?

    • Taking the question entirely too seriously: Because Afros the size of a beach-ball, and other similarly excessive hairstyles or fashions, basically (in our culture, among others) indicate that the wearer is paying more attention to public appearance than to personal convenience. In women, this choice is considered reasonable. In men, it’s considered vain and frivolous. (A similar reasoning underlies the basic contempt of the term “metrosexual”.)

      • Heh, good explanation. Personally though I always wondered how wearers of such hairstyles, regardless of gender, didn’t end up with a crick in their neck.

        This is a puzzlement based off of experience, having had calf-length hair at one point, and while I would sleep with it in a braid or bound into a manageable cord, it would sometimes slide down my pillow and bunch at the back of my head or at my nape, resulting in rather painful neck-crick.

    • Set wayback machine to Naked Gun, 33-1/3rd with O. J. Simpson trying to get his afro through a doorway.

      Hmm, two Leslie Nielsen movie references in one post, and one not a comedy.

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

        When Lt Flap (?) was introduced as a Black officer in the cartoon Beetle Bailey, he wore a large Afro (with a tiny helmet on top of the Afro).

        In one strip, a rifle bullet punches a hole in his Afro and the Afro deflates. 😈

  9. I’ve always found it interesting how psi powers have wormed their way into science fiction, and even now, how many people will talk about them as simple fact. One notable example I remember is the Hell’s Gate series from David Weber and Linda Evans, that was ostensibly about a magical society vs. a technological society. One of the reasons I never finished the first book was that the “technological” society was actually based on psi powers, meaning that from my perspective, it was just two magical societies.

    that particularly horrible brown that was everywhere. That particularly
    horrible orange that was everywhere, too.

    Lord, yes. I wasn’t born until the 80s, but the house we moved into when I was one was 70s to the core. The kitchen had fuzzy orange wallpaper (that got replaced extremely quickly). Until I was about eight, the upstairs carpets were that avacado-green-brown that always made me think that the dog was having digestive problems. Whatever else we see in the future, at least the days of those are behind us!

    • BobtheRegisterredFool

      I don’t know how you got tech versus magic out of that book, it is explicitly magic versus psi, with the psi users having less retarded tech development.

      IIRC, if you read the books carefully, there is a section dated in our Earth’s calender. This detail provides the rest of the answer to what is going on. The Psi users have late nineteenth century tech, and do not seem close to having the internal combustion breakthrough apparently necessary for powered flight that isn’t magic. One of the later books shows us that magic works poorly on the world where psi works best, and psi more poorly on the world where magic works best. The third tech faction in the war between psi and magic will be Earth shortly before WWII. IIRC, the portal to Earth is in the Amazon.

      Next you will tell us that Sword of the South did not provide the remaining details to work out the true relationship between Wencit and Sword-Arm.

    • > it was just two magical societies.

      Clarke sort of missed the whole concept that *any* technology might as well be magic to… basically most people.

      Yes, they usually understand that the light switch will quit working of nobody pays the bill, but as far as what makes the bulb light up, they don’t know and don’t care. They might know the term “three phase generator”, but it means exactly the same thing as “de-fluxed orgone accumulator”; just a placeholder for “what difference does it make anyway?”

      • The blithering ignorance seems increasingly prevalent these days. Few “renewable energy” supporters seem to have done the basic math to calculate just how much energy we need and what scale their solar and wind farms would require — much less to have processed the issues of reliability and “clean” amperage.

        As for their economics, “print more money” is the depth of understanding to be expected from a five-year-old, not a member of Congress. Yeah, “deficits don’t matter” … until they do, and by that point it is too late.

      • (Edison) light bulbs are pretty easy: Heat something up and it glows. They work just like an electric stove. LEDs are magic.

    • It’s because Psi sounds like awesome fun. Like magic, but something you can use when you can’t have magic in your story because it has been given a pseudo-scientific veneer. Who wouldn’t want to be able to do stuff like get the gun into your hand by just wanting it when the bad guy just pivoted between you and where you dropped it and is about to reach for it without having to grapple with him – or know what the bad guys are planning by reading their minds so you can then counter those plans with ease.

      Fun. 🙂

      • Psi also lends itself to SF, in some ways, more readily than magic does because the terms and assumptions of psionics do a lot of the system-building for you. As Brandon Sanderson notes, it’s much more dramatically interesting and important what your magicians can’t do than what they can — “psionics” immediately suggests a ready-made set of answers to that question.

      • Oh, loads…. until you realize that that plan was skinning a baby and you, you lucky stiff, get the blow by blow in loving detail.

        No gift without a price.

    • The latest This Old House episode had them going back to the original TOH, done in 1979. That ORANGE ended up on the laminate(!) counter tops in the kitchen. (Which was redone about 5 years ago in something not eye-damaging.)

        • TOH = This Old House

          Back when it started the host was Bob Vila, with Norm Abram as his sidekick.


          As we all know, Norm grew in the role.

          • BobtheRegisterredFool

            The New Yankee Workshop was an early formative experience for me.

            • I remember the Usenet debates on rec.woodworking between the Normies and the Neanderthals (represented by Roy Underhill of The Woodwright’s Shop). I end up in the middle; I don’t own a duplicating lathe, but have used a metalworking lathe to turn a bowl or two.

              I’ll watch the Woodsmith show and have adapted/used/sifted ideas from their projects, but the other one (American Woodshop, I think), I’ve found to be unwatchable. Pocket screws should not be one’s goto joinery method, sez me.

            • Ya. I think I was 8 when I asked for a nailgun for Christmas

  10. We again prove the aphorism “Americans can be counted on to do the right thing; after they try every wrong way.”

    • On the other hand, we usually eventually do *something* instead of making our problems part of our culture.

      There’s a meme with a picture of Dresden after we burned it down; “This is what happens when you finally piss Americans off.”

      See also: Hiroshima. And Richmond in 1865, for that matter.

      America: “We kill it with fire.”

      • Every year that I was living in the DC area, some ninny would try to raise a fuss about the Enola Gay being on display at the Air and Space Museum. I always thought we shouldad a banner saying, in Japanese, “You rape Nanking again, we bomb you again.”

        • Eh. They’d just accuse you of being an abuser because “If X, then Y. Not X therefore not Y” is the exact equivalent of “Why do you make me hit you, baby?”

          (I’ve been online-arguing with an enthusiastic proponent of Universal Basic Income and Nationalized Health Care who ended the argument with exactly that accusation.)

        • According to liberal statistics, being a woman in Nanking when the Japanese conquered it was less likely to result in sexual assault than being a woman at an American university.

        • I don’t think the Enola Gay should be in a museum either. It and Bock’s Car should be retored to full function, upgraded as necessary, and hangared at Tinker or Barksdale in case they’re needed again.

          No, they’re not missiles or stealthed or supersonic jets. But El Presidente could tweet their location directly to the malfeasants every half hour or to, to give them plenty of time to sweat before they drop some whoop-ass on them.

          We have lots of “weapons delivery systems.” But in the whole world, there are only two aircraft that have actually *done* it. Used properly, they would be a powerful political hammer.

          • Problem is, the Korean War shown that a B-29 is just a big, slow target for even a second generation jet fighter- not to mention even the creakiest of surplus SA-2.

            • That’s for the fighter escort to deal with…

              • Or, that’s what standoff weaponry is good for. OTOH, I’d rather we sent our regards with something that can make it in* and out without extraordinary effort. (Maybe give a B-52 Enola Gay nose art, and some stalth artwork from Bock’s Car on a B-2)

                (*) For various definitions of “in”. See first sentence.

          • BobtheRegisterredFool

            Eighty years old.

            Yeah, that generation of aircraft designers gained a lot of experience and did some great things. That doesn’t mean that they knew how to plan for eighty years of simple aging and corrosion. It is not clear that they are structurally sound.

            Yeah, the B-52.

            Maybe the Air Force has been keeping a bunch of B-29s flying, and knows how to do the necessary maintenance and inspections. I haven’t heard about it, but the Air Force does many things I don’t know about.

            • Getting the B-29 to work without catching fire was one of the big expenses of WWII.
              Compared to what came off the line in the years after the war, it was slower than the jets, and had a far smaller range and bomb load than the B-36.
              Now, the B-36, on the other hand…

            • OTOH, there’s a B-17 and a B-24 still flying. I don’t want to think of the hanger hours for every flight hour, though.

            • They have enough difficulties fielding birds my age and younger.

  11. In the ’70s socialist progressivism was well on the way to infiltrating most of our American institutions, starting with the entire education system. Leading lights from Marx to Alinsky showed them the path and they have religiously (and I use that word specifically) followed instructions to where we find ourselves today.
    They’ve won, they control education, the media, most of politics, and near and dear to those here, traditional publishing. They are in control and are now in these modern times finding that the Bible was correct, when you build on shifting sand your structure cannot endure.
    Take trad pub (please, nobody else wants it) for example. The houses are destroying themselves piecemeal. their customers are fleeing in droves, either to other forms of entertainment, or the hard corps readers are gobbling up indie works by the ton.
    And we must at least give a hat tip to the Democratic Party; once powerful, committed, ruthless, willing to do most anything to win control. But now they are being taken over by blatant socialists, nay really full blown communists, as embodied in that media darling AOC, who would make the perfect commissar. Much like the old Soviets she knows what she wants and reality shall not stop her on her way to achieving those desires. Science is nothing more than a weapon to bludgeon deniers into following her commands.
    And the old school Democrats who made it possible for her to step into the role she’s acquired appear to be flummoxed and unable to deal with her demand that we reject everything that has worked to make this country successful and great and replace all that with magic and unicorn farts.
    Should AOC win and reach a position of actual power I expect her to do considerable damage to the nation before being forceably removed from office. Or it would not surprise me to one day soon see that she had her a tragic accident and suddenly became a martyr for those old school Dems to use for their own purposes.

    • I’ve read more books via Kindle Unlimited in the past year than I read of all books in the previous 10.

    • Should AOC win and …

      I doubt AOC will be re-elected. She’s done enough to annoy Teh Party that there will almost surely be a primary challenge from somebody well enough established, connected and financed who can make hay out of her gross missteps. Her district strongly supported the Amazon deal and no competent challenger will let them forget her role in losing that. Her slowness in establishing a district office and her handwavium about where she lives will also make her vulnerable. Further, we must keep in mind that she won with a trivial primary turnout against an established party hack who took the district for granted — and the general election was a classic “Rotten Borough” that not going to vote Republican if Jesus Christ Himself came down to run and the Democrat was named Lou Cypher.

      AOC will immediately upon her defeat be the target of bidding wars between CNN and MSNBC and will sign a sweetheart deal for a Clinton-level advance from some publisher seeking the rights to her Thoughts From Chairwoman AOC. Which means the last sight you will see before B&N follows Toys’R’Us into oblivion is a wall of books, each featuring her grinning visage.

      • They’re finding out that their hot young hook-up is a psycho, and now the question is how to get rid of her without getting their pets boiled.

      • Sure she’ll be re-elected. She got in the first time, even as a nobody, because the Republicans figured her district was so Left it wasn’t worth running a credible candidate against her.

        While to you, a (relatively) sane person, she talks crazy, her “talking points” are what far-Left voters want to hear. She’s still tuning her schtick, just like Lenin when he moved about Europe in the early ‘teens, throwing out ideas and getting feedback. Same as Adolf during his pub speechmaking days, She’ll build the feedback into a platform, and there are enough nutters to give her a hell of a lot of support.

        She got in on a yellow-dog vote. Next time, it will be a landslide. And it’s quite likely the GOP won’t bother to support their candidate as much as the last one, if they even bother to oppose her.

        • I doubt Awfully Outdated Communist survives a primary challenge. She’s trod on far too many toes in her party and home state, and shows NO sign of recognizing it. Instead she follows the Trump playbook and counterattacks her critics … which works for Trump but hasn’t worked for anybody else, especially not for anyone else who does not already have a well-established brand identity corresponding to such attacks.

          Blowing the Amazon investment hurts a significant number of Mom & Pop businesses in her district. Few of her ideas withstand even cursory consideration. And her local politicians are sharpening their knives while staring fixedly at her throat:

          Cuomo says Ocasio-Cortez’s political influence helped kill Amazon deal
          Gov. Andrew Cuomo for the first time Tuesday said Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s political left-leaning influence played a major role in scuttling the Amazon deal to open a headquarters in Queens.

          • It’s not just the mom & pops that lost money. There’s a lot of union members, property developers, connected contractors, mob bosses, and other players in the Democratic party who are losing a lot of money because this deal fell through.

      • I think you’re right, but that thought of a wall-o-Occasional Cortex needs some potent brain bleach.

    • I truely think that the Rise of the Socialist Ninnies in the Democrat party is the Old Guard letting the idiots run loose to discredit themselves. After 2016 the Party Panjandrums were in a really shakey position – or should have been. So they have been encouraging the people who might have made a real effort to replace them in the Party structure to run amok. I think they’ve written off 2020. 2020 will see the blatant Socialists run full tilt boogie into Trump and smash themselves. Then the Old Guard will be in a position to pick up the pieces and rack up a victory (they believe) in 2024.

      • Which they probably will. The American people don’t like having the same party holding the presidency for more than two terms.

        • And yet it’s been known to happen. Also depends now completely batshit the left goes.

          • It has indeed been known to happen. During one 72 year period (1861-1933,18 presidential terms) the Republicans won 14 of 18 terms, and there was only one case (Benjamin Harrison) where the Republicans did NOT hold the presidency for 3 or more terms before turnover. That was then followed by the period 1933-1953 (5 presidential terms) that all went to the Democrats (FDR and Truman). Most recently, we have the twelve year Reagan/Bush period.

      • Basically what happened in 1972.

  12. A trend I’ve noticed is that I’m seeing more Gen Xers (or whatever the label is this week, basically however many gens exist between Boomer and Millenial now) make their voices heard, and it’s going against the Leftward grain foisted on us by…generations past. Apologies to the sane members of generations past among us. They’re (we’re) showing up in the Counterculture and in major elected positions. How funny (or sad) is it that the Counterculture consists of more and more people yelling “STOP!” to the insanity, rather than embracing it..

    Being perhaps one of the more libertarian generations in, well, ever, we have a tendency to just want to leave other people alone and be left alone – a worldview that doesn’t lend itself well to activism. Hopefully that’s changing.

  13. The students in one of my classes last year were absolutely disgusted with what was going on at colleges re. blocking freedom of speech and assembly, and thought it was appalling. Make of it what you will.

    • It does give one pause to wonder what an analysis of college recruiting might reveal. All the recent publicity it received surely was not helpful to Mizzou.

      Schools need to remember that today’s undergrads are tomorrow’s donors; it hardly matters how grateful that Puppetry PhD earner is if he’s not earning any money. The students attracted by being the Wokest of the Woke are unlikely to earn much money and (as is typical of the Left) unlikely to be grateful.

  14. you missed the worst part of the seventies (at least for me)
    DISCO

  15. I know better than most how deep the fraud is and how hard it’s going to be to get a victory against it

    Understanding the root cause will better help you predict the trajectory.

    The Collapse of Complex Societies by Joseph Tainter – pdf. The good stuff starts in Chapter 4.
    https://wtf.tw/ref/tainter.pdf

    https://youtu.be/GzuviYRse3E – about 3 minutes

    • We’re not collapsing. We might be rebuilding.

      • Well Sarah, You haven’t read the 3 chapters suggested. About 150 pages. Not too long at all. And every society collapses. It is built in. First you go after the low hanging fruit. And then higher up on the tree. Then you need a ladder. Then a crane. Marginal returns decline. It is inevitable. We no longer mine high grade iron ore. We mine taconite. Oil wells are no longer just a few thousand feet of pipe. They are now miles of it. The easy stuff microprocessors can do has been done. Things are now more complicated. And that takes more maintenance. And that is more expensive. Look up “logistics curve” or read the chapters suggested. It is in there.

        What a read of the book suggests is that decline can be put off by discovery of new energy source or a reduction of government.

        • Of course things are getting more complex. If they didn’t, it would be Og and Mog in a cave. The increased complexity of society does not at all mean it is collapsing.

          • You didn’t read the book did you? More complexity is more expensive. Eventually complexity outstrips the ability to pay for it. One of the tools for studying this is the logistics curve. You could also call the curve – “declining marginal returns”. It is inevitable. It is a fact of nature. You go after the easy ore first. When that is gone things get more difficult.

            When you are on the steep slope of the logistics curve declining marginal returns are hardly noticed. When you get near the asymptotes more investment provides only small gain. This is true at the bottom and the top. At the top you can’t beat Carnot.

            The book notes that in America marginal returns have been declining noticeably since 1900. One estimate in the book says the returns will go to zero overall around 2000. Another one pegs it at an earlier date.

            The book states that such an overall return will stress politics. Notice many open socialists in Congress lately?

            You really should read the book.

            One thing we could do to make the good times last longer is reduce government. Sound like any politics you have heard?

            • One of the ways to reduce complexity is that super States (Rome) devolve into smaller States. Italy, France, Spain, etc.

              Notice any moves in that direction in the USA? Sheriff’s not enforcing gun control in some counties. States not enforcing Federal Drug laws. States not enforcing Federal immigration laws.

              A deep read of the book suggests all these things and more. The book is a map of our times. You ought to read it.

            • Did it reverse around 2000?

              No.

              2000 was 19 years ago.

              If declining marginal returns was seriously affecting the economy, we’d be mining iron for steel here instead of in Canada and China- which we’re doing partly for price and partly for quality, but also partly because of crappy environmental regulations making it *easier* to import it.

    • perception lags reality.

  16. “If You Don’t Want To Have Sex With Everyone, You’re Repressed”

    Ugh, this one. People were pressuring me to have had sex at THIRTEEN. And not just guys who wanted to have sex with me. Girls my own age (who might, I suppose, have wanted validation of their own choices), mostly.

    And it has led to some interesting reactions (and further splintering of identities) from newer generations. A young Millennial friend of mine posted on Facebook a list of “How I Knew I was Asexual” or some such thing, most of which I was looking at like “You know those are normal things for most people who don’t think that they have to jump into bed with everything that moves, right?” Which I didn’t post, because people are SO CERTAIN that their “newly differentiated identity” is something new and different and important and special, rather than just how people are.

    Everything needs a label and a diagnosis and a treatment. Because otherwise you might have to acknowledge that people are all different in the same ways, and are individuals, and you can’t have that. Everyone needs the validation of their label.

    (I am far too young to be this curmudgeonly.)

    • (I am far too young to be this curmudgeonly.)

      Nonsense! One is never too young to work at being curmudgeonly. Being a curmudgeon — recognizing the foolishness of this world — is a skill that requires a lifetime of cultivation.

    • Eight for me. Guys wanted to see me naked at EIGHT and told me I had hangups when I refused. (In their defense I got breasts at eight, but…)

    • BobtheRegisterredFool

      The difference between Asexual and a late bloomer, is that a late bloomer will grow to have an interest, and an Asexual is forever confined to the LGBTQWTFBBQ spectrum.

      I have an interest in romantic love, romance, and sex. I’m also cautious, try to have some measure of self control, and am philosophically opposed to the damage I would do to myself with promiscuity. Okay, I’m also untrusting, reclusive, and have cold bloodedly calculated that solitary old age would not be worse than having sex without regard to the welfare of any resulting children.

      There was a recent but perhaps not current fashion to attempt to cover any personal oddness under the umbrella of LGBT. I resent that most heartily. The prescriptive ‘medicine’ of LGBT would have done me no good, and probably much harm. I strongly suspect that people with largely similar problems to mine, but less paranoia, have been diagnosed as LGBT, believed it, and thereby done themselves much harm.

      If you were not a curmudgeon by now, you would have no brain.

  17. richardmcenroe

    Oh, I dunno. Bell bottoms were kind of cute on young women. And I might put up with Yoko if I could have my Benny Hill back…

  18. richardmcenroe

    When I see a saucer landed by the side of the roadselling tamales, then I’ll believe in aliens.