Fear

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I’ve been getting concerned messages from friends around the country asking me if our lefty colleagues have completely lost their minds these last two months.

Mind you, these are friends who are immersed in mixed politics circles, sometimes on half of a politically mixed marriage.  So I have no clue why they think I have special insight.  Well, perhaps because I lurk, unnoticed and long-forgotten in a lot of writers’ newsgroups, where someone to the right of Lenin is a rarity.

I know I’ve told you before that there’s nothing to be scared of in the times we live in.  This country has survived scarier times.  To the extent that we live in a big scary tech transition, one that, when it’s done, will completely change the way we work and live (and it’s just in the beginning, and I won’t see the end of it.  Unless rejuv comes along sooner than I expect and I live a long time.) this has happened before, with the civil war.  We might end up there again too, but I hope not.

To the extent that the … leftist? Government controlled? way of governance was quietly assumed to be the best and the way of the future, we’ve been here before too, and much more so.  In fact with knobs on.

Don’t believe me?  Read Simak.  I’d always assumed he was leftist fringe (and yes, I still like his writing, what of it?) but Jerry Pournelle assured me he has just a middle country, middle class, middle politics man of his time.  And he knew him personally while I didn’t. (Which is probably good.  As with Heinlein, I probably would have made vaguely human noises that couldn’t quite assemble into words, were I ever in his presence.)

I’m using part of my day off (Sunday, with Saturday devoted to other, non-writing tasks that have to be done in this business and which I tend to neglect) to read and the reading I started with were the books of childhood, like, you know, Simak’s.  (I’ve re-read Heinlein every year or every other year since that time, but not Simak.  Partly because my tastes changed.  But for various reasons I’m in a “rebuild” phase of my life and reading Simak is part of understanding where I once was.)  And to me now, in America, and knowing the politics and the people here better, it is amazing to realize how leftist the consensus of “just folks” was once upon a time.

It is not that bad now, partly because people trust less, and therefore trust “learned men” and “government” less.

Oh, tons of factors going into that, from the public fall of the USSR which had been held out to us as “just as good as us, only different” to the fact that people just trust less.  Of course that lack of trust comes from the left’s educational/news/entertainment branch pounding on all branches of society that people used to trust: the family, church, heck, even history and America herself.

They don’t seem to realize that in all but the most sheepish (eh) students, the distrust will splash back to all authority figures, which means the school, the “learned people” and the government.  The fact that those who are even vaguely aware leave school to find that they are in a world completely different from the one they were taught in school doesn’t help.

That people will wake up some years (sometimes 10) after school is a given, save for those who are invested in being left and getting their power and approbation that way, usually the ones in educational/news/entertainment — let’s abbreviate it to agit prop — branch.  My biggest fear is that instead of thinking and figuring out where we really are, they’ll embrace a cartoonish anti-left and think they have the truth.  It’s the easy way.  It also is the wrong way, because the left is more subtle than that in their lies.

Anyway, but either way we are way less statist than people were in the fifties.  Way less into big depersonalized institutions.

So that much is good.

And yet the friends — and occasionally self — getting alarmed have a point.  We are riding a wave of a state of fear, a fear so great and so pervasive that it drives people utterly irrational.

I thought it was crazy enough in the Bush years, when people claimed their speech was chilled, and proclaimed loudly IN CONVENTIONS in front of hundreds of people that they were afraid of speaking publicly because Bush would come for them.

We hadn’t seen nothing yet.  If those were the crazy years, these are the running around with your underwear on your head talking to random weasels years.

Routinely I see people on facebook — people I know and who are somewhat sane (no writer is ever completely sane) and certainly well educated, and who used to be moderate left claim that Trump wants to put … well, everyone really in camps.  Let me see, the list goes: minorities, gays, women foreign born people, leftists.  They’ve been screaming this since he was elected.  They’ve been screaming this — keep in mind — about the first GOP candidate to wave a rainbow flag on stage.  They’ve been screaming this about the one president in recent years to have a Jewish-convert daughter and Jewish grandchildren.  (What’s the difference between Trump and a reform rabbi?  Trump has Jewish grandchildren.)

They said on the day of his election that he was going to be rounding up all these people into camps as soon as he was sworn in.  Two years in, the fear has only got worse.

And the fact that no one has arrested these people, making these kind of statements doesn’t seem to sink in.

I know why.  Humans are a social animal.  Social animals can be stampeded by those they view as leaders, and the left side of the isle, being the compliant, good boys and girls, still trust teachers and news and the few surviving mainstream entertainers.

Who have never let up on the fear.  I have yet to hear them recant one of their crazy rants or admit that if Trump is Hitler, he’s a frigging bad Hitler, cutting down on the very authority he’d need to do the kind of things they expect.

These people, whom the rather conventional people on the left revere keep telling them it’s getting worse and worse.

Fear is one of the ways of stampeding people into acting violently and irrationally.  Every demagogue int he world, from Hitler to Stalin, has done it.  And it is always a crescendo, and always against someone you despise.

The left is being stampeded against us, their fellow Americans.  This is not new, it’s just at a new crescendo.

Having leftist family members, I remember when Bush was trying to get us in a global war by rebuking North Korea.  No, seriously.

But no?  Now it’s insane.  In a country with a soft-left president, who has cut back on regulations and freed up the economy so we FINALLY had a summer of recovery, these people think they’re being “ruled” by “Literally Hitler.”

And their panics are getting crazier.  No, talking back to a press that has also lost its mind is NOT a totalitarian move.  That would be arresting the journalists who print demonstrably biased/false reports.

Yes, the press finds itself with fewer and fewer readers, just like traditional publisher do.  This is the result of there finally being alternatives, and people frankly being tired of the crazy shoved down their throats 24/7.

No, removing someone’s clearance is not silencing him.  It’s preventing him from getting information with which he’s proven unreliable.  And btw it happens quietly all over the land every day and has since the clearance system was inveted.  And no, a guy who was having an affair and being blatantly partisan and open about it during the campaign in one of our agencies is not a hero.  He’s a shitweasel using the left for all he’s worth.

And now the ANTIFA idiots are mumbling about “Killing Nazis.”

Look, if they find the real Nazis in the country (I ran across a pair once.  While house hunting.  OBVIOUSLY gay and obviously Live Action Reich Players.  Weirdest thing ever.  It was 20 years ago, and my mind is still broken) and are willing to go to jail for unprovoked murder, well… it’s not good, but it’s at least understandable-crazy.

Except they treat all of us as Nazis, and call all of us Nazis.  Yes, that’s right, some of us are from the long-feared libertarian branch of the Nazis.  We want only minimal government that leaves people alone.  I guess we’ll have to tell Poland to invade itself.  All those people we want to kill (yes, I know, I know, we don’t, but the left thinks we do) we’ll be reduced to telling them (us, since many of us fall into categories the Nazis tried to exterminate) to pretty please put their heads in the oven.  Which is only a problem if those people are so ridiculously compliant they’ll just do it.  (Does the left think we’re all as compliant as they are?)  Then there’s the problem that most ovens are electric.

Oh, never mind.  There is no rationality to it.

These are the words and acts of panicked people.  People running from a threat that doesn’t exist, but which the demagogues of the left — people the left trusts, heaven alone knows why — keep insisting is growing.  Which causes the herd to run and attack in unreasoning fear.

So, we do live in perilous times.  Every time people can be persuaded to attack those they’ve been told are evil and intend to hurt them is dangerous.  See Germany and one Hitler, Adolf.

Because the left is more gullible, and because they’ve been taught “question authority except us” and because the drumbeat of crazy is louder and more relentless than ever before, they never get to relax and think, and realize if there were going to be camps, or famines, or even slaps on the wrist, we’d have them already.  But they’re too scared to notice.

Which is why it’s essential to let these insane-with-fear people nowhere near the levers of power.  Remember they cheat relentlessly, but if it’s not close, they can’t cheat.

Vote on the day, don’t answer polsters, refuse to vote by mail even if it’s the main thing for your state.  And if you get to the polls and they tell you that you already voted/voted by mail, raise a stink.  Take to the net. Be loud.

But above all, if it’s not close, they can’t cheat.  Yes, losing will make them even more panicked.  Can’t be helped.

Would you rather they continue screaming about how evil this country is — and hopefully eventually realize no one is keeping them here forcibly! — or that they have the levers of power while panicked and seeing Nazis under their bed everywhere?  Do you want unreasoning people having the power to strip you of you right to property, to liberty, to life?

I don’t.  I daresay we’d survive that too, but it would get mighty rocky on the way to survival. Keep quiet and vote.

 

 

 

520 responses to “Fear

  1. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

    What’s scary to me are the “Good” Liberals would will admit there are “assholes” in the Far Left but just “dismiss them as the lunatic fringe”.

    And yes, these “Good” Liberals also talk about “lunatic fringe” of the Right but amazingly seem to see that fringe as “more dangerous” than the Left’s lunatic fringe.

    In one case, I’m thinking that I need to “unfollow” that person’s blog. 😦

    • BobtheRegisterredFool

      Sarah, touches on this, part of the perception issue is driven by trust patterns. Trust one set of sources, get one pattern of information, build a model based on that. Trust another set, get another pattern, build a different model.

      Took me some time to wrap my head around why so decently seeming a person could be working off so badly incorrect a model. They seem to be very insular, and not have been out searching for the data that I just came across.

      We make inferences about which of the tiny factions are more dangerous based on information we have about killings, arsons, etc… These inferences are probably sound. But the thing about relying on the FBI crime stats for concluding that there is virtually no white supremacist killings occurring is that the FBI has some chance of being fairly crooked. Okay, probably not in a way that would understate white supremacist terrorism, but who knows.

      Key point, they only need a couple of bad assumptions based on misplaced trust to form the conclusions you talk about. a) Underestimating the degree to which bringing communism to America would require killing a lot of Americans, and the degree to which serious communists realize this. (Killing at least twice the number of Americans as there are African-Americans. So, if we can instantly reject killing all African-Americans, we can also instantly reject any course of action which requires killing so significant a chunk of Americans.) b) Overestimating the support white supremacist terrorist have among conservatives. It is easy for you and I to form a more realistic estimate, because we know that Aryan Nations et al. are a bunch of criminal scum uninterested in actual political accomplishment, and also mostly probable druggies.

      • We also know that when you discount the undercover feds, the ranks of the various white supremecist groups get cut by a third if not more.

      • A bit of that is the attempt to cover up that things like the KKK and Aryan Nation fools are, at heart, Leftist organizations. See the bint who went to an Aryan/Nazi meeting and found they wanted so much of the same things she did. How her story got published is a mystery. Leadership doesn’t want that getting out. goes against the narrative needed to help form the attitudes we are talking about
        Some is also projection of their wishes. They really want to get rid of anyone who isn’t exactly like them. We MUST be, at the least, the same, and if so, therefore we MUST be worse . . . or at the least, made to look that way.

    • I believe that Tom Kratman pointed out that the further someone is from your own position, the more the nuances blur, so their “extreme” looks far bigger and scarier than your “extreme”

    • I get scared for her sometimes. When you talk about violence from the left, she doesn’t dismiss it as being from a few radicals. She doesn’t know what you’re talking about.. If she were just dismissing it, there’d at least be a chance she’d prepare herself when entering potentially dangerous territory.

      She thinks of herself as a slightly left leaning centrist. I see her more as a solid leftist who occasionally glances at center.

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

        Listening to her, I wonder about her real opinion of Trump.

        While she obviously doesn’t like him, does she censor herself because she knows that people like us would think much less of her? 😦

  2. One of the weird things about reading older science fiction of the Simak and Margaret St. Clair variety is how many utopias come out of getting rid of most of the world’s population. Sometimes everyone’s died due to a war or a plague, and sometimes everyone just voluntarily left. But then whoever is left behind uses the resources left behind in abundance to create a vaguely socialist society, occasionally making fun of the people before the diaspora/killing who created this abundance.

    • This. And now scientists are getting worried about population dearth, which I’ve been screaming about for a couple of decades, because I don’t trust UN figures and have been to a lot of these countries.

      • One political system in particular openly bent on world domination seems to have figured this out. Their strategy is to select a western culture country, peacefully immigrate (ie invade) in the thousands, and breed their way to dominance while replacing the moderate tolerant culture with their own more violent primitive one.
        Which system? Why the one that masquerades as the religion of peace of course.

        • They’ve been able to get away with that because they have been allowed to use force to make “conversion” a one way street. Their threat of violence against anyone who “leaves the fold” so to speak means that they can simply outbreed and keep the new generation within their group.

          The media and education-industrial complex actively assist them in that endeavor.

          • It still boggles my mind what the media and other elites think they’ll get out of it.

          • And even then, they’re failing.

            • Trying to “outbreed” doesn’t work so well when the next generation can chose not to follow the old line. And using things like “honor killings” to keep the next generation in line doesn’t work so well when it leads to “life without possibility of parole” (although I’d prefer dancing the Danny Deever except, well, I have come to a profound distrust of the government handling to the death penalty).

              So, really, all that’s needed to curtail the “outbreed” approach is enforcing the law equally and allowing actual freedom.

              • I would trust the government with the death penalty IF prosecutors and police who could be shown to have broken the rules (withheld evidence, suborned purgury, etc) to wrongfully convict someone on a capitol charge would be charged with conspiracy to commit murder.

              • Yes. The jury in Houston last month did not set a speed record for the decision of guilty for the guy who murdered his son-in-law and an Iranian ex-pat woman for keeping him from killing his daughter (she’d converted to Christianity), but it was close. And they recommended death. So maybe in 20 years the guilty party will get to find out if his deity is quite what he believes.

                • I thought Texas was still fast at applying the anti-recidivism measures for murder 1. Too bad if it’s not the case.

                  Oregon is a lot like California. We have around 10 (last I looked) prisoners on “death row”, and they’re more likely to die of old age than the needle.

                  • We can be fast if there are limited appeals – fast being five or six years. I suspect/fear there will be appeals every step of the way with this guy.

                    Fastest recent, as in my lifetime, case I know of was actually someone from up here. The jury needed about five minutes to find him guilty as all get out. There were not many appeals, I suspect in part because he creeped the living daylights out of the other inmates as well as the public defenders.

              • Except, of course, that is precisely what is NOT happening.

              • Unfortunately, no. At least some of the next generation *will* follow the old line. In fact, they’ll take that line back up after their parents have abandoned it. Some of the worst terrorists and jihadis have been second generation immigrants with parents that went moderate after arriving in their new home. The problem is that the son grows up feeling a spiritual void in his life. He looks around, realizes that the Islam being followed by his parents doesn’t seem to fill the void, and looks a little deeper. He quickly discovers that the version his parents are following is a watered down version. So he looks for a purer, stronger version. And he finds one.

        • They won’t. Part of that misreporting? in their own homelands their birth rate is way down. Women have discovered through the internet… the rhythm method. Seriously.
          And their second generation in adopted homelands is breeding at same level as locals.
          They talk a fertile game, but part of the reason they’re so mad is that … it’s just talk.

      • “I don’t trust UN figures ”

        Anyone who does clearly has a rich fantasy life.

        • Someone pointed out that UN population figures are designed to maximize foreign aid that mostly uses population as its criterion for deservingness.

          And even a cursory examination of “tons of fodder required per million people” makes most of the third world figures at best a little suspect.

        • I live a rich fantasy life and I don’t trust UN anything any more. I’m Mythical. I’m slow. But I ain’t stupid.

          • The UN has two main purposes — in priority order:
            1. Antisemitism.
            2. Coddling evil dictators.
            It’s mighty hard to come up with a more than one or two goods thing the UN has ever done in its entire history. I can think of one, way back in 1948. Since then? I don’t think so.
            And these evil parasites are surviving primarily on our tax dollars, and the protection of our police. I’ll be very happy once they are moved to another place. Venezuela comes to mind as an option. Or North Korea.

        • You know, that could be story fodder. The aliens come, demand a certain number based on the population as *they* are able to accurately calculate—and the UN starts screaming based on how much lower those numbers are than their own.

          (The Torchwood series “Children of Earth” has a lowball number for population, and it’s been pointed out on several fan sites. I always figured that this is the universe of Doctor Who, when a lot of truly weird things can be taking the population down—but it’s also possible that the writers threw that in as a nod to the idea that the UN numbers can’t be accurate.)

      • So here’s a fun question: what happens to areas with high infant and child mortality as the birthrate drops?

        • I may be entirely mistaken but I’m not sure what would *cause* that. The two things seem to be closely tied and then the birthrate follows the dropping of the child mortality rates at a delay.

          What might be interesting, too, though is if we’ll see an even farther delayed increase in birthrates related to how many people these days voluntarily don’t have children at all or do something to themselves that make conception exceptionally difficult. Will people who *do* have kids, have a couple extras because it will increase the chance of having any grandchildren?

          • I’m thinking that the crashing birthrates Sarah mentions don’t seem to be associated with higher standards of living/nutrition/healthcare. They’re still dirt poor, just not having as many kids.

          • The two things seem to be closely tied and then the birthrate follows the dropping of the child mortality rates at a delay.

            Unidentified third cause– in this case, mostly better medicine/technology.

            When those are better, more kids survive.

            When tech and medical is better, you can risk the baby makers– the pressure/desperation goes down, and there’s a better chance of getting that baby you dearly want even if you don’t start right away. It gives you TIME.

            Humans suck at handling time. 😀 Stuff keeps happening, including “biology,” so fewer kids.

            ******
            There’s also the confounding issue of artificial birth control, which has gone up in availability about a generation after the keep-babies-and-littles-alive resources have. Tainted sample.

            *********
            There’s also the safety trap.

            You may be aware, since the Pope himself saw fit to make a point of it, that multiple c-sections are quite dangerous and that there’s a (to modern eyes) very high risk of death.

            The rate of complications for modern c-sections is below the rate of death for giving birth in the 50s, in the US.
            The death rate for giving birth, period, is so small that studies get radically different risk-ratings– it’s somewhere between the average birth in the 70s and somewhere more recent.
            But it’s so insanely dangerous that a guy whose entire shtick is how humble and merciful he is is willing to bring a lady up as a target for shaming because she’s done it.

            Ton of links to follow, sorry for tripping the moderation, Sarah!

            https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/ourstories/mchb75th/mchb75maternalmortality.pdf
            https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_04.pdf
            http://birthwithoutfearblog.com/2011/10/26/risk-for-mother-higher-with-cesarean-birth/

            • “That’s because the pope is a commie.”
              Eh.

              • I’m still thinking he’s taken the “sheep” thing too far, and is following anything that looks like a shepherd.

                • No. There’s stuff if you look closely. Stuff like his saying that those who think like true Christians in the world are the communists. Like his advancing to cardinalcy guys whose communism is an open scandal.
                  He’s a South American Communist. If there’s any belief in G-d left in that stew of a head it’s subsumed to the dictates of Marx.
                  Ah. As my younger son (the one who ALMOST became a monk, though I think that’s off the table now) says “we’ve survived horrible popes and antipopes” (How much was Benedict’s retirement willed, and how much a palace coup. He’s not that ill) “before. You survive a lot in 2000 years. We’ll survive this.”

                  • “You survive a lot in 2000 years. We’ll survive this.”

                    Problem is, putting it in more human terms, I’ve survived a lot in 57 years, including a few “holy shucks, I’m dead” moments. However, that does not mean I will survive any particular “this”. Indeed, sooner or later there will be a “this” that I don’t survive (hopefully when I’m old, crotchety, and surrounded by a plethora of grandchildren and great grandchildren).

                    • Also, St Peter was not commanded to survive; he and all his followers in office were commanded to care for each member of the Church without endorsing sinful behavior.

                  • My concern (and I’m not a Catholic, mind you) is that I don’t know that the Church has ever had an infection like this that is directly opposed to the Church. There’s been corruption before. There’s been ridiculous amounts of corruption before. But this is more than corruption. This is letting in a philosophy that’s totally and completely antithetical to the Church. It’s like picking Hindus for all the top spots in the Church.

                    Note that I’m not complaining about Hindus. But adherents of a religion have a vested interest in making sure that people like them rise to the positions of power. They’re probably ready and willing to play the martyr in order to ensure that others like themselves always remain in power. Corruption, on the other hand, doesn’t have any real goal beyond that of basic ambition.

                  • Papa Ben was very successful in getting people back into Church – contrary to predictions of what would happen given his conservatism. He went against the narratives. Worse, apparently his conservatism was appealing to younger generations who were looking for stability in a world that was increasingly growing mad around them. (Heck, I am probably one of them.)

                    The result with Papa Che on the other hand, has been, from my quiet observations, to drive people away from the Church, to have them quietly bunker down and teach catechism without the predations of Liberal Theology Marxism. The atheist housemate – I know, I know – was actually approving of Papa Ben (because he saw Benedict as a countering force to Islam, and felt that the Church needed someone who was strong in Catholic convictions) and is baffled by how Papa Che took over, but is seeing the damage that he’s been doing.

                    • BobtheRegisterredFool

                      There’s some reason to speculate that our socialist friend was put in place by Cardinals who knew that he could be relied on for certain matters of Church discipline.

                      Some have said that the reason for the current Church focus on immigration is to counter the decline in donations from American congregations. I’ve begun to wonder how much of the Church’s income is derived from US congregations, and it seems plausible that it is a fairly significant fraction.

                      What is the center of gravity of the Church’s problems in America? One explanation is in the PA Grand Jury report. Pete Grant’s explanation is that back in the sixties, American Catholic seminaries made some very poor choices.

                      In conclusion: 1. I see information I do not have certainty for. 2. I think one of my go to strategies, paranoid free association, may be detrimental here. 3. I’ve become more interested in Dutch Reformed, Lutheranism, Calvinism, and Presbyterianism, but some of that is the history I’ve been listening to. 4. I’ve had to force myself to see the charitable perspective on this, so that I don’t poison the story I’ve been plotting, set in a heavily Catholic area. I’m not Catholic, and personally don’t need to figure out, right now, a strategy for dealing with whatever problems the Catholic Church may be having. I do need to avoid ruining my story or poisoning my own heart.

                    • For obvious reasons, I haven’t read the report, but I’ve been hovering around audits– and a few details like it’s over the last 70 years, a significant number of the accusations are known to be so bad that they’re not even worth arguing about when specifically challenged (filler– including claims of molestation by guys who had been dead for years), guys who were caught and punished already, and 29 priests where the outrage is that they expect to actually get to defend themselves before being executed…..

                      They’re leaning on the obvious fact that one is too much to promote something. I’m just not sure what it is– personal promotion, destroying the statue of limitations for crimes that don’t have evidence, malice to the church/religion, changing the subject, multiple?

                  • Rich Rostrom

                    The second tale in Boccacio’s Decameron is of two merchants of Paris, Jean, a Christian and Abraham, a Jew. They were good friends, and Jean often urged Abraham to accept Christ and be saved, but Abraham always refused.

                    Then one day Jean received a message from Abraham, saying that he had gone to visit Rome, to view the Pope and other princes of the church, and would consider converting when he returned. Jean despaired, knowing the depravity of the Roman clergy.

                    But when Abraham returned, he said he would convert and asked Jean to be his godfather. Jean was astounded: he asked Abraham “Did you actually go to Rome and see the Pope?”

                    “Oh, yes,” said Abraham. “I saw the Pope, and the Curia, and they were all utterly debauched. Yet Christianity flourishes and grows every day. It must be the true word of God – nothing less could survive such corruption.”

                  • “How much was Benedict’s retirement willed, and how much a palace coup. He’s not that ill.”

                    He is, however, one heck of an introvert. He was getting ill a lot more when he was still Pope than he is now, and I’m pretty sure most of that was stress-based. I don’t think he ever wanted to be Pope and figured out early on how he could eventually get out of it.

                    • *nod* There were several articles noting how his dream had been to retire with his brother, a bunch of books and their cats.

                      He strikes me as the sort who can’t not do a job right, even if it kills him… and smart enough to realize that killing him would be right up the alley of those he was working against.

      • As a side note, I got to see someone introduced to the history of Norman Borlaug at a party the other day. As in, “This may be the greatest humanitarian the world has ever known,” kind of conversation. That was fun, especially talking about how that made all the Malthusian projections worthless, and why there were so many SF stories based on food riots.

    • But are you willing to tell Thanos he’s wrong?

      • BobtheRegisterredFool

        He is attracted to the personification of Death. Sexual preference is taste. Taste cannot be wrong.

        • The average viewer of Infinity War doesn’t know that, at all. They see someone spout the ecofascist/sjw line, and then kill half the universe. For all intents and purposes, the movie Thanos is *not* in love with the personification of death, and it is likely that such a personification does not exist.

          • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

            I read some comments from the movie makers that Lady Death won’t appear in the Movies.

            • Unfortunate. I had kind of hoped that Hela (death goddess from Ragnarok) would turn out to be Thanos’ love interest.

              • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

                Well, Hela (in the Marvel comic world isn’t Lady Death).

                So perhaps, Hela could be his love-interest. 😉

                • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

                  That should have been “Hela (in the Marvel comic world) isn’t Lady Death”. [Grumble]

      • I’m congenitally prone to speaking the truth even when it’s bad for me. So yeah, I probably would.

      • Eh…

        Thanos doesn’t care if you tell him that he’s wrong. Everyone tells him that he’s wrong. He’d just shrug his shoulders and mentally put you in the “will not convert to my cause” list. It’s not until you actually tried to do something to stop him that he’d take notice.

    • > population

      The amusing part is that the people who write that sort of thing invariably live stacked up in urban hives. They think the whole world looks like city. They’re stressed about dealing with oceans of people, never apparently never realizing they don’t have to live there.

      I once heard someone from Oakland comment about a visit to Houston; “There’s so much room there! It’s almost empty!”

      The fact that they had traveled through thousands of miles of mostly nothing to get there never registered.

      • If Huston is anything like El Paso, you don’t have to live in a city to get that reaction– my mom was mildly horrified to realize that you can drive 35 miles and never leave town. No going in circles, either. (El Paso the city is 250 square miles. They have lots of land, why NOT use it?)

        • [checks web] Houston is #9 in the US in physical size. It sprawls quite a bit.

          Hmph. The four largest are in Alaska; the largest American city is Sitka (Novy Archangelsk when it was Russian), with a population of… 8,881. I bet they can feel the walls squeezing in…

          Jacksonville, FL normally claims to be the largest city, but at #5, I think they need to add an “in the contiguous 48 states” disclaimer…

          • There’s a few places in Alaska where City=Entire County as far as the designation goes… because there aren’t enough people there to split the governmental designations and that’s what most people go by.

      • This happened. At the time, I lived about 5 miles from town:

        “It’s close.”
        …a few minutes pass…
        “I though you said it was close?”
        “Only five miles. We’re almost there.”
        “FIVE MILES?! Close is five blocks!”

    • There’s a touch of truth there, considering the history of Europe in the century after a third of the population fell to the Black Death. But if we learn those lessons, a post-apocalyptic renaissance won’t be a bucolic fantasy setting but one of high automation supporting the heaviest industrialization the tech is capable of.

  3. My sister-in-law….my normally sensible, raising a disciplined kid, sister-in-law…started talking about buying a gun after the 2016 elections. She was that scared. Of what, I couldn’t really find out; she couldn’t articulate it.

    Aside; she lives just outside Philadelphia, so a reasonable fear in these days would be that the Philadelphia inner city was going to boil over and assault the ‘burbs. But that wasn’t what she was scared of.

    Frankly, I figured she would go to a range to practice, meet a bunch of normal, nice gun folks, and calm the f*ck down.

    In the event, she didn’t get that gun. I think she’s a little sheepish about the whole thing. Pinty in some ways. I could have seen her morph into a Second Amendment partisan.

    *shrug*

    The Left has gone batch*t insane. It’s like they are receiving Radio Venus on their bridgework.

    • Have you taken a look at the news as it is reported in Philadelphia?

      Some of the things that I hear from Daddy make me think they are living in an alternative reality. I suspect that he thinks the same of where I live — the South home of racial segregation, snake handling fundamental religions, suffering from numerous prejudices and general ignorance. You know, those deplorables who are bitterly holding on to their Bibles and guns.

      I have reason to believe they are out of touch. I see far more interracial families shopping at Walmart on any given weekend than I have seen on the streets of Philadelphia in my time there put together.

      • Timothy E. Harris

        ^^^^
        This.
        Interracial couples and same-sex couples have become unremarkable here in one of the conservative areas of Florida, and back in Ohio where I grew up.
        Even among those that disapprove, the attitude is generally “I don’t like it, but it’s their own business – they have to live with their choices”.

        • Exactly! I’m also from a very conservative part of Florida. True Southerners to the core, and the attitude is very much live and let live. They may not like it, but they just don’t care what other people do with their lives as long as it doesn’t effect them.

        • Many people are surprised to find that’s the official stance of most of the offshoots of the Ku Klux Klan.

        • Aye, here in Flyoverlandia, even in $HOOTERVILLE, “mixed race” couples are utterly unremarkable and nobody bats an eye that the gal behind the bar talks of “her wife” or such. There aren’t any big parades or protests – either way. It’s just… like background radiation: You can go measure it if you really want to, but it really doesn’t matter. If you panic about it… the stress from that is the cause of any damage, and that is self-inflicted.

          • This was something I was totally boggled to notice, when I first enlisted and went through tech school – how many interracial couples there were in the military: black/white, and white/black … and here, I had been told all my life that this would set the KKK/bigots in flames! Eleventy! And… then I shopped at the BX/PX/Commissary and saw all the white/Oriental couples … Yeah. No color but … those of your uniforms. So much more race-mixing than I had ever seen in college, never mind that I was at a state school
            This bogglement was still in effect, when the dear sweet practical nurse who attended on my grandmother and great aunt in their final years saw pictures of my daughter’s birthday party at the military child care center, when my kidlet was about six or seven. The nurse, Pearl, was something like fifty or sixty, then, in the mid-1980s. A woman of color, as the current correct phrase goes. And she conceived the notion that I was one of those righteous brave white people … because the pictures of my daughter and her friends at the party showed that many of them at the party were … yeah. Black. Mixed race.
            It was embarrassing, the one time that I talked to her, on the telephone. She was a woman of the 1940s, I think – and something that I thought so little of, was so enormous in her mind, with regard to race.

            • Rich Rostrom

              My sister had a friend in an interracial marriage, whose husband was stationed in Texas. They had to live on the base, because their marriage was illegal in Texas. This was in the 1960s, and attitudes have changed a lot since then. But many older people have long memories.

      • “I have reason to believe they are out of touch. I see far more interracial families shopping at Walmart on any given weekend than I have seen on the streets of Philadelphia in my time there put together.”

        It’s an anecdote and likely doesn’t mean anything but my first actual exposure to *real* racism, and it blew my mind, was on a choir trip through Philadelphia. The perception of racial hostility when a couple little farm girls from Minnesota wandered away from the historical plaza (I forget what my friend thought she needed to find a shop to buy) wasn’t that upsetting, just a little bit, but when we mentioned this to our host family we expected reassurances or a mere tut-tut, not for it to be an invitation to *explain*. I think that we were both rendered completely speechless and just fell back on extreme mid-west manners out of self-defense. Church people aren’t supposed to be flaming racists, you know. I don’t think that my friend had ever actually met a racist before either.

        • I’m kind of interested what the explanation was; I was taught that while no, there isn’t any inherent moral difference between black and white, you need to think about it enough that you don’t expose your kids to danger.

          Marrying someone means kids are a predictable result. If mom and dad being different is going to seriously hurt their lives, you need to THINK about that.

          My folks did that examination of conscience because dad’s family is protestant, while mom’s is Catholic; if his mother wasn’t an Odd, they probably wouldn’t have gotten married. (You know those folks that TV likes to take stabs at because they SAY they don’t like X, or Y, group, but they’ll be polite, and love and praise individual members? That was grandma. It was like she had categories, and if someone didn’t fit, that was just a category error and they didn’t COUNT. She liked and respected mom, even though mom was one of the few Catholics who really practiced her faith after marriage to one of grandma’s clan. Possibly “because.”)

          *************

          FWIW, I am torn between thinking racism is incredibly stupid, and thinking it’s just sad– imagine being so starved for family that you attach it to a big group that looks vaguely like you?

          • FYI it is on these grounds that my parents oppose my having married outside the “race” — which in this case should be understood as Portuguese — and raising kids far from their “real” environment.
            Of course, they know clear nothing of America.
            And besides,the boys’ lives are not any worse than any Odd and possibly better because you know, America is better with Odds.

          • The “explaining” wasn’t about interracial marriage because I don’t think that would have even seemed possible. It was just, more or less, talking about how “those people” wreck everything because that’s what they do, but explicitly as a matter of what race they are. There wasn’t (to my recollection or notice at the time) even any sense that they were talking about the neighborhood or some localized thing.

            (I might have, once, been concerned about cultural differences in a marriage but I’ve come to the conclusion that if your values align, having larger cultural differences is almost easier because you expect them, while the different expectations of the boy or girl next door can be extremely opaque and cause serious relationship issues.)

            • Woof.

              *shakes head*

              Yeah, I may have met a few folks like that, that I know of– but only pretty recently, and not with conventional targets. Even the crazy “Jews run everything” guy on the ship had no problem with JEWS, just the ones in the ultra zekret leadership. (eyeroll)

              • An Orthodox Jewish college friend used to joke that she was still waiting for her membership card in the World Zionist Conspiracy. Hadn’t gotten any checks yet, either.

              • A friend of mine, until then apparently normal (for values of Odd), abruptly bought into the whole Zionist conspiracy thing. After a few weeks of being lectured, I suggested that if he really believed all that, his obvious path would be to find a synagogue and go sign up.

                He was outraged. “I can’t do that! I’m a Pentecostal!”

                A few months later he quit talking about it and never brought the subject up again.

          • There was once a time when Momma was shut out of activities because one parent was from a Jewish background and the other was from a Christian one.  I know that the world can be harsh on children.  At the same time I cannot except the idea of letting social bullies dictate life choices.

          • “imagine being so starved for family that you attach it to a big group that looks vaguely like you?”

            It’s actually one of the bigger motivations for joining ANY gang. Or science fiction fandom, for that matter. How many times have we spoken of this blog or the Diner Denizens as “our people” or as “family”.

            • All the bad parts of a gang, without any of the benefits…..

            • Every time I see one of my coworkers I think “He’s one of us.” and that we have a lot of interests in common.

              And then he opens his mouth and all I can think is “Fruit Loops are supposed to be a breakfast cereal, not an ideology to live your life by.” and I can’t run away fast enough.

          • I think a lot of racism boils down to re-affirmations of those people who don’t look like us keep doing X & Y, which is antithetical to our views so everyone that looks like them is the same. It’s an easy way to categorize people without putting any thought into it. And if the perception holds, “See. I told you!” and if it doesn’t it’s ignored, “The exception that proves the rule!”

    • Hope I’m wrong, but after the infamous “blue wave” turns into a trickle this fall I fear that your sis in law may very well regret she never followed up on her initial impulse. At every turn the hard left is doubling down. When they fail their militant arm, antifa, stages a violent protest. In those few cases where they catch a win, antifa stages an even more violent and destructive celebration.
      There is an element in our society that revels in acting out and ruining what others have worked so hard to create. It gives them a rush, a sense of power over “the man” that normal folks only get after years of hard work and toil. They are the true barbarians and apparently are drawn like flies to the antifa movement.
      Should things boil over after the midterms I expect that the left will feel compelled to punish the rest of us for our failure to fall into line with their plans. I know of a lot of people who are quietly stocking up on the necessities: food, water, guns, ammo, and the like simply as insurance just in case. Should antifa take their protests to the common folk I predict they will be extremely shocked to find that the rules of engagement than up to now were all on their side have changed dramatically.

      • I think that Antifa, at least for the most part, is a bunch of harmless idiots that tend to draw some sociopaths that see a way they can get in some violence while feeling ‘good’ about indulging in their impulses. I’ve read some of the stories and seen some of the videos, most of them seem scared and can’t actually work up the nerve to really hit someone (which is all to the good). They’re mostly being driven but that small bunch of actually dangerous psychos. Seeing them act out gives the rest the courage to at least try and hurt someone.

        The bad thing is that yes, they really are eventually going to kill someone, and I don’t think the reaction is going to be one they enjoy. Unless law enforcement cracks down hard on them, it’ll probably get very bloody very quickly.

        • Problem is, in Dem-run cities, cracking down hard against antifas seems highly unlikely. Remember the protests against ICE in Portland. Went on and on and on.

          • The last one was a little different. So different that they mobbed city hall after.

            Otherwise I agree. The only ‘successful’ Antifa protests have been in Dem cities where they can get away with. They get shutdown were there is a sane local government.

          • The guy who got caught using a bike lock against people recently got let off of all but one of the charges and IIRC sentenced to time served (something like 3 days in jail). He almost killed someone and injured others and got not even a slap on the wrist.

            • Hopefully it will at least come to bite him in the ass later. That he fails to get something, like a certain job or maybe a woman (or man, no idea which way he swings), he really really wants, because of his history.

              • Sadly it is a resume enhancer even in the big corporations

                • Now. But with luck things might start to shift enough in his lifetime that what is good to him now won’t be when he’s maybe getting close to retirement age and maybe looking for work. He’s not that old yet, it might still happen before he is safely out of working life.

                  I kind of like the idea of him not getting a job as a Walmart greeter due to his history. 😀

      • I’m not terribly worried about leftist freakout where we live; the CCW take rate is remarkably high, and never-Trumpers of any party are seriously outnumbered.

        West of the Cascades is going to be nervous making. I’m having to go every 3 months, though I can avoid the more rabid areas. Still, I expect a late November trip with an overnight stay. Might be time to get a better CC holster for the 1911.

        • I’m using a De Santis “C.E.O.” shoulder rig when carrying a 1911. It holds the gun butt-down, so you can reach under a shirt (or jacket, in cold weather) without having to have a cover garment that lets you draw forward or up.

          • Will check it out. The old Bianci doesn’t reach to where my belt it, and my weight’s wrong for inside the belt. /sigh

            (checks Amazon) Hmm, left hand available, right handed holsters seem to want two magazines on the off side. Must think a bit.

            The .380 is too much of a mouse gun if it gets crunchy.

            Thanks!

            • I wear the left hand model. It’s the “single side” type with a single strap to hold the gun and an adjustable elastic band that goes over your other shoulder to keep the strap from sliding off; it doesn’t actually hold any of the weight.

              Watch for sales; there are steep discounts every now and then. I think I got mine from OpticsPlanet.

        • 1911… vs ….. H&K…… Hummmmm…

        • I use a 5.11 fanny pack for my Range Officer 1911, not in black so as not to be so tacticool. I walk or ride a bicycle out in the woods, and wanted something that would discourage a hog more than a 9 mil.

          • For those who are not so keyed in to TactiCool or gun geekdom, a funny bit of trivia:
            5.11 is a uniform standard, F if I know who it applies to besides “feddies”, and it started with the pants.

            Comfortable, nice looking khakis with a bunch of pockets.

            /swoon

      • “You know who really owns something? The person who can trash it. Just fucking ruin it completely. That’s how you know the real owner.”

        “But what about the guy who can use it? You know, build something with it?”

        “So what? If he can’t protect it, he doesn’t really own it.”

        – from “The Wizardry Cursed” by Rick Cook

        • Especially when the owner is forced to pay the vandal for the privilege of being stepped on by vandal. Look at any of our bureaucracies

        • Precisely.

          You have NO rights that you will not kill to keep. And the other side will require proof.

    • I got a gun after 2016, mainly for fear of the black masked bike lock brigade and the next BLM riot. Happily I haven’t had call to use it off range, but dang guns are fun!!!

      Now I think I need to get a couple more.

    • SheSellsSeashells

      I have a Very Sensible friend who went nuts after 11/16 and asked me to teach her everything I knew about wild greens and other foraging. I was happy to do so because it’s a hobby I enjoy, but SERIOUSLY???

      • People have the weirdest reactions to possible trouble on the horizon. I was part of a tech startup in the late 90’s, and some of the programmers were talking seriously about being out of the country when Y2K was supposed to hit (my, what a fizzle THAT was). I pointed out rather firmly that IF Y2K was a problem, it would hit places that were less advanced but still dependent on computers a lot harder than the US, and that that would not be amgood time and place to be a Gringo.

        They stayed.

    • I fear for my lefty leaning friends. After the ’16 election night one of friends stated she was feeling fearful. I suggested that she arm herself. Her mother jumped in and said then she’d end up in jail because she’d kill someone over being merely fearful.

      I don’t trust her mother an inch after that comment. She’s someone who should not be armed.

      https://westfargomusings.wordpress.com/2016/11/10/this-is-why-liberals-cant-have-nice-things/

      • The thing where someone confesses to being a rage monster with no self control and ought never be trusted with a gun (but they drive to work every day) because they’d certainly kill something… It’s supposed to work like priming a pump. First they confess that they’re emotionally unstable and that’s supposed to nudge a counter confession that you are also emotionally unstable at least sometimes, and maybe no one should have guns at all.

        I’ve just begun agreeing with them that they’re emotionally unstable and should never ever be armed.

    • There’s a writers forum that I bailed on a few years back because the crazy had become … basically, enforced. Dissenting or even questioning views got you banned. I still check occasionally to see what they’re up to… and since even a year ago, the current miasma of madness is so much worse I barely recognised the place, even with mostly the same old participants. It reminded me of a bunch of 8 year olds who’ve worked themselves into mutual panic by ever-escalating descriptions of the horrible monster in the hall closet.

      Some of it is just that when everyone virtue-signals, your own signal requires boosting to be heard, so they’re all playing more-fearful-than-thou. But some … is clearly believed as an article of faith. The Bad Righties are coming for ’em, any day now.

      As someone pointed out… if the Right were as violent as the unhinged Left believes, there’d be no Lefties left.

    • Donald Stephens

      “Radio Venus”

      Apparently Zontar Rather is talking to them..

  4. “And now the ANTIFA idiots are mumbling about “Killing Nazis.””

    Well duh, that’s where this was always going with them. What’s the point of demonizing a faction if you’re going to let them live? They’re DEMONS!

    Sooner or later they’ll go Full Chimpanzee, everybody’s gloves will hit the ice, and the rumble will be on. And then it will be over, and they will have -lost-.

    • Eugene Volokh has a recent semi-joking post about how the “anti” in “antifa” doesn’t mean opposed to, it’s more like the anti in antipasto, which is to say, before the meal, or more appropriately, preparing the way for the meal (pasto).

      • I’ll worry about the AntiPasto goofs when they learn how to march. Right now they’re a bunch of skinny hipsters with too much estrogen in their systems to be dangerous.

        • Reminds me of Tom’s line from Watch on the Rhine

          “The skinheads never got anywhere, Hansi,” continued the general, “because this is Germany and the assholes never learned to march in step . . .”

          • Great minds think alike, eh? ~:D That’s who I was thinking of, at the back of my mind.

          • Wm. Mark Simmons, in one of his “Halflife Chronicles” books had a great line: “There are no Nazis in the US. Those pathetic skinheads calling themselves by that name couldn’t organize a bake sale, let alone the conquest of most of Europe.” (Paraphrased from memory).

            Really, they get more attention from the people protesting them then they could ever get on their own.

            • For a very long time the Nazis have gotten a far larger number of protesters than supporters. The MSM has always lied about both groups’ numbers to make the threat and the leftoid portion of the counter potest larger than they are.

              • Of COURSE they did…… Affer all it was the demecrapts that was fighting to KEEP slaves..

            • I had the dubious luck to be in a Allied Radio (bought by Radio Shack) store when George Lincoln Rockwell came in for something; recording tape, I think. Full American Nazi Party uniform, and body odor strong enough to kill.

              The wikis note that he was killed by a former member of the ANP. Fitting.

            • One of the things I got from Speer’s books was how incompetently *bad* the NSDAP’s operation was. It has been described as a “gangster government”, but it was more like one of the Democratic Machines; a single-party patronage system. And each patron’s primary goal wasn’t government, it was feathering his own nest… which was the obvious and accepted thing to do, not in the least reprehensible.

              Mostly, the Party skated along on the economic and bureaucratic structure of the Empire, which actually *had* been efficient. But the wheels started to come off as the people in charge were replaced by lower Party functionaries who had no clue as to how to run things, and then they started drafting people who were essential to keeping the war machine going… some were mustered out and sent back to their original jobs, but by then the old system was broken, and past “bearings will continue until morale improves”, the Nazis had no freaking clue what they were doing. If they couldn’t find someone who knew how to organize a bake sale, then there wasn’t going to be a bake sale, because that was faaaar above the usual level of NSDAP competence.

        • Most of the kicking deaths I’ve heard of have involved a pack of women– not infrequently barefoot because they’re in a club, and you can’t kick with those heels,they’d break.

          Get the victim to the ground, start stomping, they die.

          ….ever watch the videos of how the antifa fight?
          Like chickens doing a mobbing.

          • I saw a story about a dad who violently objected to the creep trying to forcibly break into his daughter’s bathroom stall. Got the creep on the ground and stomped. Repeatedly. Up on a murder charge. One suspects jury nullification isn’t out of the question.

      • March? That, and maybe needing four or five of their goofs to ambush and punch a single opponent.
        They don’t appear to be all that-anna-bag-o-chips when it comes to one on one.

        • Not even then. I’ve seen videos of them attempting to zerg some Proud Boys and getting clocked. Even just one or two Proud Boys managing to land defensive hits is enough to send them retreating and barking like hyenas put at bay – lots of similar body language too.

          • The Proud Boys are a completely different thing than AntiPasto, and that’s why they look different when they fight. The thing Foxfier said about
            AntiPasto looking like chickens mobbing another chicken, that’s a pretty good analogy. They move like an uncoordinated gaggle, each one seeking an opportunity to get a hit on an enemy, any enemy, at no cost to themselves. And they don’t back each other up, it is every ‘man’ for himself. (I use the term loosely.) They’re Barbarians

            The Proud Boys wait for the chickens to come to them, and they cover each other’s backs. They fight as more of a group, moving together in numbers. They are Civilized. With a little work they could form a phalanx.

            I’m not sure that would be a good thing, but it would make quite a video. ~:D

            • Not sure if the guys were Proud Boys or not, but the pattern of the not-Antifa guys being willing to take hits to jump in and drag someone being booted out– or drag their own guy off of someone who is down– is pretty dang notable.

              The only ones who go at a Not Antifa guy are the chicks in low-cut shirts who look shocked when someone yanks the weapon out of their hand.

              • The viral video of the pr0nz actress/AntiPasto goonette with the sap gloves being one-punched after attacking some guy is a classic.

                AntiPasto likes to hit from behind and spray people with caustic substances from a safe distance. That’s how they roll.

                • Tactically, I can’t argue with that…as a start.

                  Thing is, if I’m at that point, I’m going to be KILLING the target after that. And I don’t care if I die.

                  But the level of bad that’d be required to get me there would be…really bad.

                  • Both Rhys and I have been told on separate occasions that we would be fucking terrifying if ever pushed to snapping point, given that what we’ve both been through, the guys at his workplace have admitted they haven’t got the faintest clue how he’s still sane. Or hell, how we’re sane period. This puzzles us.

                    But when the guys were having a discussion about what makes people snap, the guy talking at the time suddenly paused mid-sentence, looked at Rhys and said “I don’t want to be around if you ever snap, because whatever pushes you to that point is going to be extreme, and it’ll be horribly justifiable. It’ll be terrifying. Rivers of blood, that sort of thing.”

                    Rhys being Rhys just smiled this innocent angelic smile.

                    Workmate: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand that’s what I’m talking about.

                    Rhys: *bats big blue eyes*

                • There’s a similar viral video. Antifa takes a swing at a Deplorable with pipe. Misses. The Deplorable (Proud Boy, I think, assisting the Patriot Prayer people) decked the Antifa, who’s (last I heard) in a coma. Portland OR police said self defense, no arrest. Lefty heads exploded.

                  • I saw that one. Clear, unquestionable self defence. The guy blocked the pipe twice with his forearm, then punched Mr. Antipasto.

                    Shame about the permanent brain damage. Going to be expensive for Mom and Dad Antipasto.

                    Funny how none of these political demagogues never give a moment’s thought to the personal injury and collateral damage side of their little tantrums. I wonder how things would change if somebody like Maxine Waters could be sued for damage and injuries caused by her public calls to violence?

                  • It’s possible to kill someone with fists, quite by accident. It happens often enough.

                    I honestly wonder, I really do… what goes through someone’s mind when they decide “I’m going to get in a fight and it will be awesome.” And they pick up a bat or a bike lock or they walk up behind a man standing completely still and talking to no one and clobber him upside the head?

                    How noble! How inspiring!

                    And yeah, the “counter protesters” who show up are ready for a fight, too, because anyone who’s not isn’t going to be there at all. And yeah, quite a few of them seem able to land a punch.

                    • “It’s possible to kill someone with fists, quite by accident. It happens often enough.”

                      I seem to recall a case a few years back where a dad beat his daughter’s rapist to death with his bare hands, then called 911 in a panic because he hadn’t intended to go that far. IIRC, he got off on manslaughter charges because everybody pretty well considered it justified.

                    • The daughter was FIVE. Yes, I remember that.

                    • They are very lucky that their opponents in their little fistfights have thus far only been fighting to defend themselves… there are many people whose trained responses to an attack are going to result in the attackers having very long term damage, and I’ll leave it at that.

                • There’s a video of a an Antipasto bitch being pre-emptively taken down by a man – because she had molotov cocktails or something similar, big bottles. The video very clearly shows her with the weapons in hand – and of course the Antipastos are screaming ASSAAAAAAAUUUUULT

      • “…which is to say, before the meal, or more appropriately, preparing the way for the meal,”

        That’s brilliant.

      • Stealing

      • I used to read Volokh, but he has apparently succumbed to Trump Derangement Syndrome.

      • I’ve taken to calling them Ante-Fa, for the same reason.

    • The nutters have been limiting their attacks to gun-free venues.

      Sooner or later they’re going to try something in flyoverland*, and then there’ll be a shortage of body bags.

      [* yeah, I view it as a mark of pride. Don’t land. Don’t even look down. There are rednecks here. And banjos…]

  5. So I have no clue why they think I have special insight.

    After some time of reading your blog most of us have noticed that you are a somewhat acute observer of the condition human.  We have had many a glimpse of your kind, loyal and courageous heart.  We may disagree with a particular conclusion, but we are almost always enriched by the thought that goes behind it. 

    • BobtheRegisterredFool

      There’s also the temptation to believe that experience with civil wars in another country long ago might give some insight now as regards our worse fears.

  6. BobtheRegisterredFool

    I will be voting, despite my political disenchantment.

    • I look back at the history of American elections, and even with the benefit of hindsight I still think that I would approach most of the elections we have had with disenchantment.

    • Being enchanted with your political leaders is dangerous. That way lies the Divine Right of Kings and similar drivel.

    • Oregon has had vote-fraud by mail since before we moved here. OTOH, the county clerk’s office has a ballot dropoff box and we use it every election.

      • We just went to vote by mail. They had several ballot drop-off locations listed on the ballot—but I discovered at least one unlisted one at the local library, so that got used.

  7. Just to be clear, I do not wear underwear on my head. Not even a I-Can’t-Believe-It’s-A-Hat or a Cross-Your-Cortex Chapeau. I might have, on occasion, talked with a weasel or three. They were generally deterministic, but easily distracted by shiny things. I leave the combination of unicorns, Show-Sheen, and weasels to your imagination. I recommend an observation distance best described as “telescopic.”

  8. And now the ANTIFA idiots are mumbling about “Killing Nazis.”

    Perhaps they ought call 1-800-273-8255 ?

  9. But… why keep quiet? Keeping quiet means that people around us who may be expecting one result may (again) be gobsmacked if things don’t go the way they think.

    • scott2harrison

      You keep quiet so the scum does not realize how much they need to cheat.

    • Because otherwise they’ll know they need to cheat more.

      • OR you smile & lie. Polls are not the ballet box.

      • I firmly believe that a significant factor in us dodging that horrible bullet in 2016 was due to the left actually believing the polls. In their pointy heads HRC could not be beaten, certainly not by a doofus such as Trump.
        It is and always will be the downfall of the progressive left. In support of their sacred narrative they populate the world with straw men in support. And straw Hillary was always going to beat straw Trump in a walk. Thing is, the more they panic the greater the disconnect between their straw figures and reality.

        • part was polls, and part was Hillary’s fear she’d win on Electorals and not get the popular, so they worked really on GOTV in Chicago, NYC, etc, and ignored it in the close states, because she knew she was gonna win them. Besides, Bill told her to work in the deplorable areas more and she was gonna show him he didn’t know what he was doing.

        • Remember, I said I was so sure she’d win because of the sheer amount of cheating I expected them to do on her behalf.

          I sat watching TV on election day, with a huge can of popcorn, CHEERED WHEN TRUMP WON.

          Then laughed uncontrollably at the idiot (apparently a female) screaming NOOOOOOOOOOO at the sky.

          • As the voter fraud investigations sllooowwwllly move along (or reporting on them does…) the level of provable-in-court fraud is far higher than I expected, even at my level of disenchantment and cynicism.

            Based on the information that has come to light so far, I expect Hillary probably got less than 50% of the votes that were counted for her, and Trump may have gotten 25% or more than the official count.

            I wouldn’t be surprised if the counts were even more skewed than that.

            • The more things change, the more they remain. How do you hold accountable the enforcers and those that control them. The fraud machine will be cranked up to 12 this time, with the full support and backing of the various sec states.

            • The clerisy is trying to impose their will on use with the fig leaf of the polls. What else is new?

            • Over the last year, the Governor and AG here in TX have been bringing lots of state level prosecutions for vote fraud. And Sooprise Sooprise, there’s a direct relationship between the illegal population and the amount of fraud in areas.

  10. Si vis pacem, para bellum

    • Reminds me, I need to contact that CCHP instructor and see what her schedule is. And start really looking at holsters and handbags.

      • I strongly suggest on body carry only for a concealed weapon. That or some pouch or purselike arrangement that remains attached at all times. Anything that you might set to the side “for just a moment” puts you at orders of magnitude greater risk of being disarmed and your weapon possibly turned against you.

        • For women, a purse that you act like it’s got either dangerous to kids drugs or your wallet in it is pretty safe.

          I’ve several times gotten odd looks for being possessive of my bag, and I just say “diaper bag, and it’s got medicine in it.” Folks make their own assumptions.
          (All true, there…)

          • doesn’t work in certain places.
            seen a straight razor used to de-purse victims in New Orleans, and they were good at rifling it while running off and dumped it after pretty much getting everything out of it.
            also the “good” ones could remove a rear jeans pocket and make off with the wallet without the victim even noticing it until they went to pay for something, or someone pointed it out.

            • For situations that tight, you hit the “but your gun can be taken from you” wall.

              For me carrying on body, it’s more likely that someone else could get the gun than I could, if it’s concealed.

              • the wallet from the pocket trick is done in tight crowds. The slash and dash is anywhere, any time. It was done in Audubon Park or along the Street Car line often enough, not just the Quarter.
                Then again, NOLA’s odd ‘hood situation helps that. 2-3 blocks and you go from St. Charles Ave mansions to “Yeah, the police don’t even like going in there”.
                I’d recommend something with cables and kevlar to prevent that.

            • Dan Hamilton

              If you get the right purse, there is piano wire on both sides of the strap. That isn’t going to be cut.

            • My wife has some purses set up for easy access to guns; they also have steel cables in the straps to foul the razor-and-run types. You can buy knife-proof straps of various styles to match other bags.

              There’s a lot of female clothing that will easily conceal on-body carry, but most of it is unstylish nowadays.

              • Feather Blade

                Tunic-style shirt or dress with high side-slits. Allows you to tuck the front of the shirt under a belt, and leave the back loose over your gun.

                … which may well fall into the “unstylish” category, but it allows you to carry when wearing a skirt, and also means that you don’t have to wear your gun on the belt that holds your pants up.

                • Uneven hemlines on ladies shirts are now IN. Ick. Really? Along with having a patch of material on the back that doesn’t match the rest of the blouse.

                  And they wonder why my favorite styles predate WWI…

                • In principle perhaps not a bad idea, for that particular buttock shape and gun, it looks like the gun would rub its way through to a kidney after a while…

                  There’s a similar brassiere product, and an elastic belly band.

                  There’s a running joke among the CCW people, the “drawer full of holsters.” It’s almost literally true. What works and what doesn’t is hard to tell without actually trying it for a while.

                  If you’re picky and buying reasonable quality leather gear, it’s not hard for the cost of the holster collection to equal the cost of the gun.

                  “First world problems…”

                • IMO not any better than any other $60 iwb holster, except for the lack of ‘clip’ at the waistline. you’re still going to need a cover garment over the grip, too.

          • I’ve got a card for a local artisan who makes awesome concealed-carry handbags – and will do lovely bespoke orders. We’ve seen him now and again at local markets. If I wanted to carry every day, I think I would rather suck up the expense and have one of his, as I am afraid that the commercially-available concealed-carry handbags are sort of … distinctive-looking. I’m afraid that a baddie would look at it, recognize the make and …

            • Everything I pack LOOKS like a diaper bag.

              That’s as much because I can’t stand the idea of carrying a purse as anything….

            • SheSellsSeashells

              Could you mabye pass me his contact info, please? I’m gearing up for CCW stuff this fall and am Peeved because I found a messenger bag that I adore and will have to give up for the CC part. E-mail is aggrokitty at the mail of gee.

              • No problem — this is the link to their website. The things that they had on display in their booth were splashy – but beautifully made. And doing custom orders, to fit the specific weapon?
                Now THAT’s a handbag!
                https://texascarpetbaggers.com/design-boutique/

              • There are box-shaped holsters that look like they’re made for cell phones; they usually have a magnetic closure flap. They’ll hold a Ruger LCP or equivalent. You wear them right out in the open.

                Fanny packs are out of style now, but medical monitors, phone cases, etc. aren’t that unusual.

                • It’s funny — I actually have a fanny pack I really like. Soft black pieced-together leather, bought it on our honeymoon at an amusement park. It was wildly out of style already when I got it.

                  Going around with multiple pouches for presumably-electronics on one’s belt really does seem to be pretty much unremarkable.

                • (Makes note to get range time for the LCP.)

                  I’ve been using Riggs cargo pants for quite some time, but the CZ83 was a bit lot heavy and the KT P-3AT never seems to be in the right orientation.

                  OTOH, the only time I considered drawing, I had the 1911, and the potential target didn’t care for my look. Just because I was thinking “two to center of mass, one for the head”, why would be be worried? After $SPOUSE told the PD, they started to do heavy patrols in that store. Got rid of a grab and run gang.

                  • Not looking like an easy target can be useful. I’m still pretty sure the guy who did a Daesh inspired amok run here a year ago ran right past me because I was looking straight at him the whole time, and while I didn’t at that moment know what was going on I suspected, and was considering options if he had turned towards me – kick, throw my backpack at him first (I had it in my hand), now what else could I try… – I may not have looked like a suitably easy target (consciously or subconsciously). He stopped to knife the next woman on his way. Maybe because he could attack her from the back. She didn’t even seem to notice him before he had hit her once (according to later newspaper stories she had, and was trying to get away, but was slowed to a fast walk because she was pushing her toddler in a stroller).

                    Damn wimp.

            • Yeahh… “experts” say the same about things like 5.11 vests. But realistically, a cop *might* recognize a vest or CCW purse, but the likelihood of a generic mugger or robber doing so are pretty remote. I’ve gone to gun stores with my wife while she shopped for carry purses, and *I* wouldn’t recognize one…

        • Holster as primary, purse as backup, train with both. There are times and places where I can’t wear holster-friendly clothing.

      • Jeff Greason

        Preperation takes *many* forms. It includes intelligence, and most definitely means os communication and information. If you have the money, I’d consider ham radio, and perhaps an actual printing press or high speed printers. Definitely shift ASA% from social media to websites and blogs on servers *you* own

  11. …and even the gas ovens aren’t nearly as dangerous as back when. While methane isn’t a wonderful thing to be breathing, it’s not like the old “city gas” that was not natural gas. Why do we call it natural? It is. Unlike the steam-over-coal to get hydrogen… and carbon monoxide(!) to use as gaseous fuel. The not-gas result of that wasn’t the most pleasant thing, either. Its disposal is the stuff of which lawsuits are made.

    • I’m not a house ostrich. I won’t be sticking my head in any oven, gas or not.

    • The British mostly used “town gas”, which was carbon monoxide. Put your head in the oven with the gas on, and eventually you’d suffocate from the CO.

      The US has almost always used “natural gas” or propane; the only way they can kill you is if there’s enough to replace all the air where you’re breathing; it’d take a really long time before that happened.

  12. It is not that bad now, partly because people trust less, and therefore trust “learned men” and “government” less.

    One aspect of that is people are actually starting to seriously question the “Malthusian” “Eco-doom” presumptions being bandied about. Even Heinlein bought into it back in the day. I probably would have bought into it myself except I encountered the late (sadness) Dr. Jerry Pournelle and his essays on “Survival with Style.” (Anyone who hasn’t read these essays, collected in the book “A Step Farther Out” really needs to do so.)

    I’m looking at how shrill the Left has gotten in recent years, especially after Trump’s election, and what I’m seeing is a “Revitilization Movement.” This is something that was covered in the Cultural Anthropology class I took in college. (I know. I know. But six credits in “social sciences” was required for my physics degree and this and intro to microeconomics were the least annoying options.) Cultures that are under extreme stress, particularly cultures that are on the verge of dying, often have such movements where they basically double-down on what they see as their core “values”. It’s often the last gasp of a dying culture.

    The fear, however, is in how much damage they can do on the way out.

    • Margaret Ball

      Some of them are questioning the Malthusian assumptions. Others… well, I am depressed when contemplating the number of people in my generation who have apparently never read a book since “The Population Bomb,” and never discovered that Ehrlich got it all wrong. You can’t throw a brick in this neighborhood without hitting somebody who “knows” that the chief problem threatening the world is overpopulation.

      • In pet training (some of the most practical psychology I got), they call this an “extinction burst”. When an old behavior has been linked to punishment and a new, desired behavior linked to reward, in the trainee’s mind, there will often be an upsurge in the undesired behavior, testing to see if the link to punishment is indeed solid. Only after pushing through that can you train the old behavior out.

        If every time this behavior repeats, they lose bigger and worse, we’ll pull them back to being Americans. If they get even occasional wins this way, they’ll never learn.

      • But we do have an overpopulation problem. It’s an overpopulation problem of mis-educated people.

      • analytical-engine-mechanic

        It’s actually hard for me to keep it straight sometimes, just how earnest and deep this neo-Malthusian gloom-and-doom stuff really is. Mainly because Back In the Day *when all this stuff was current*, I was reading/hearing not *only* Club of Rome, Limits To Growth, Population Bomb a-Ticking etc, but *also* people like Jerry Pournelle (see above, and read his book) and G. Harry Stine and Gerard K. O’Neil — basically ‘myth-busting’ (as we’d call it today) so much, or maybe all, of that doom doom despair stuff. A friend and I were busy giving our late-college (and hour-long) best version of O’Neill colonies, or going along behind the ‘wets’ (adopted Britishism) comparing sitting on the fence at Three Mile Island to an airline NY-to-LA round trip or a couple chest X-rays.

        It’s a lot like hearing someone tell you, “but rockets need air to push against!” (Though also see, I suppose, “Clarke’s First Law of Futurism”!)

        So it really is too bad there isn’t a closer present-day version of “A Step Farther Out” or of Jim Baen’s so-called ‘bookazine’ “New Destinies” — which weren’t even close to everything out there, but still plenty wide enough to let you see beyond that stuffy little Only One Earth room to the wider wonderful world(s)…

    • They’re performing the ghost dance all over the media.

    • “Revitilization Movement.” so that the term for what I being observing.

    • BobtheRegisterredFool

      For a moment I thought you might be talking about Trump as a Revitilization Movement. Only came to mind because I’ve wondered what a mainstream American Revitilization Movement would look like, given how many of us ingested Zinn’s history.

      • We could be having two competing revitilization movements going on at once. That’s not something I recall seeing, certainly not something covered in class. It could get “interesting” in the sense of the curse.

        • BobtheRegisterredFool

          Thing is, I don’t think Trump reaches what I imagine a traditional mainstream American revitalization movement would be like.

          I’ve always been bloody minded. I also grew up on enough real history to realize that the Zinn flavored narrative did not fully describe the people involved. I was around enough Zinnist history to ask ‘What if I believed that, and wanted to return to those days?’

          You and I both know that Trump voter includes a lot of Obama voters, a lot of people who were simply sick of Obama, a lot of people concerned about the festering mess down in Mexico, and a lot of people who really hate Hillary Clinton personally. Which means that for all that Trump has a number of personal flaws that make it slightly easier for the media to paint him as racist, a significant amount of his support comes from people who were not making the decision along racial lines.

          A revitalization movement based on what Zinn says about traditional America, would have as a basis identifying as a white heterosexual (possibly* Christian) patriarchal society with no place for those who are different, devoted to exploitation, and maybe quite genocidal.

          Thinking about it further, I think we still have a few factors that would prevent a Zinn flavored traditional American revitalization movement from developing just yet. These being internet spread of conservatism, traditional Christianity, and maybe even Trumpism itself.

          *There is room to debate about the definition of Christian. I do not think I would recognize as Christian a theology with racial theory baked into it. Ergo, I suspect a religion that is as Christian as the Alt-Right is in the American conservative tradition.

          • But none of us buys into Zinn’s idea of “traditional America.” You went down a very bizarre rabbit hole there, Bob.
            WE mean a revitalization of American patriotism and American virtues, such as for ex a belief in Life Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness.
            What in holy hell does Zinn have to do with us, or us with him. At least my fiction is explicitly thus labeled.

            • BobtheRegisterredFool

              Nah. Look at the Alt-Right, supposedly rejecting the left, but screwing it up because they are mostly young, and have only been exposed to leftwing thought. Think a couple of generations younger, if the status quo had held. Most likely not going to happen at all, and Trump is part why.

              • But which segment of the Alt-Right should we be looking at? Most of the racist blood and soil types are labeled “Alt-Right” even though most of their espoused beliefs call for bigger government (just not government run by the Democrat Party) like the leftists. Or Tea Party types who want more accountability in government (and are quite diverse in ability to tan even though the media keeps calling them racists), or evangelicals, or….

                • BobtheRegisterredFool

                  My understanding is that blood and soil is more Alt-Right, and that Tea Party is conventional conservative.

              • The alt-right, to the extent it exists, is very much a reaction to 50 years of identity politics. In a political and legal system that has enshrined discrimination on the basis of race, sex, religious identity, so long as the race isn’t “white”, the sex isn’t male, and the religion isn’t Christianity, eventually the group that is discriminated against is going to start reacting as a group too.

                The Civil Rights Act, Title IX, etc., like all laws based on a collective vision, are not meant to actually be enforced equally. Unfortunately for the Left, they couldn’t write that language in explicitly. What we’re seeing is the Left being forced to admit that’s what they really meant, because otherwise that neutral language will overturn the laws as they have actually been used.

          • Trump appeared as a lousy choice, but at least less lousy than Hillary. Hillary was a six-shooter with six cartridges. Trump was a six-shooter with five cartridges. And damn, did we ever get lucky — this time.

        • BobtheRegisterredFool

          Shorter version. Pete Grant has a post I link below. He discusses extermination as a solution to a foreign policy problem, but concludes that we can’t do it, for ethical and moral reasons. My instinctual response is “says who”, but I’m open to being persuaded, and can accept not doing it as a compromise. When I imagine the hypothetical movement, I imagine a movement that might reject Pete’s ‘ethical and moral reasons’, because they believe that white people didn’t consider such things in the nineteenth century.

          https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2018/08/afghanistan-yet-another-band-aid-plan.html

          • scott2harrison

            I have said for a while that if we are going to have a war we need to have a war of total extermination as otherwise when the Dems get power back they will give the victory away and declare failure. They did it with Vietnam, they did it with Iraq. They are trying to do it with the Soviet Union. The moral of this is “Do not have a war unless you really really need to.”

            • …they did it with World War I…

            • I have been known to tell people to “Ask the Carthaginians about that” when I’m informed violence and war never solve anything.

              Also works for extermination.

              • The terms “Unconditional Surrender” might have prolonged WWII.. but they also ended it… and WWI, really.

                If we achieve genuine peace on the Korean peninsula, it will be most remarkable for being an armistice that evolves into peace instead of an even nastier war. I have hopes, but I ain’t placing any bets, neither.

                • > ended it

                  Oh, my. You know, of all the alternate-WWII scenarios I’ve encountered over the years, a second Armistice isn’t one of them.

                  That could have wound up… very ugly.

                  • I think I will submit this inspiration of thought as my Monstrous Deed for the year.

                  • It was kinda/sorta covered in Robert Harris’ Fatherland, where the US was no longer at war with Germany, but was still at war with the Soviet Union after having taken over the rest of Europe. IIRC

                  • BobtheRegisterredFool

                    But how do we go about making it actually happen? The Nazis screwed up their economy so that they had to expand or die. If the Americans enter the war, they will probably want to win. What can keep that from happening? Given FDR, America probably enters the war if the Soviet Union does and is losing. Take both the Soviet Union and the United States out of the war, and maybe it doesn’t really count as WWII. Is there any way the Soviet Union could counter invade against the Nazis, and take sufficient land from the Germans that the Germans would have to take terms? Perhaps some sort of Guns of the South scenario involving delusional Americans and the Soviet Union?

                    I think I must have notes somewhere about an AU I thought up about FDR and Stalin surviving until the sixties.

      • I have worried about that as well. I really hope what we’re seeing isn’t the last gasp of sanity in this country.

        • BobtheRegisterredFool

          I think Sarah is right. We are probably seeing a bit of a revitalization movement for the left in its current configuration.

          I hope I don’t usually write as poorly as I have today.

          The hypothetical revitalization movements for Zinn corrupted and uncorrupted traditional American culture probably aren’t happening. Zinn model isn’t happening, because what we are seeing simply isn’t racist enough. Zinn model probably can’t happen, I think there are sufficient reservoirs of uncorrupted culture. Today I also convinced myself that we are not seeing a traditional culture revitalization movement. Why? Revitalization movements are for a dying culture. We can infer reservoirs of sanity, because there is anti-left political insanity that could exist and does not. ATM, I think traditional culture is going to survive.

          As for November, be sure to vote. That said, the reservoir hypothesis implies that traditional political America still exists, and if so it is somewhat likely to punish a political movement that thinks street violence is how you win midterms.

          • Revitalization movements are for a dying culture.

            Let us hope that “Make America Great Again” is not such, as such. And is also not “restore the glory that was Rome” as the (astonishingly silly) claims go.

          • Revitalization movements are for a dying culture.

            Revitalization movements are for a highly stressed culture, which the culture of liberty has definitely been for quite some time. Frequently, they are the last gasp of a dying culture. (The example used in Cultural Anthropology was the Ghost Dance of certain Plains Indian tribes.) Note that until recently the culture summed up by things like “We hold these truths to be self evident” “Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness” and so forth gave every appearance of being a dying culture because the Left had a stranglehold on education, the news media, even entertainment. So the mechanics of what we’re seeing right now looks very much like a revitilization movement with the difference from most being that there remains some power in the old beast yet. It might well be that rare thing, a successful revitilization movement.

    • In case *somebody* gets frisky with a nuke, Dean Ing’s Pulling Through has a novella and several articles about dealing with fallout. IIRC, the original articles were published out of Oakridge, but these were paraphrased.

      The dead-tree copies at the ‘zon are horribly expensive, but archive dot org seems to have a scanned version.

    • The question is which culture is dying/being executed. Can see either way.

  13. As for Trump being literally Hitler or anything like that I did a post on a one year retrospective–timelines going day by day comparing Hitler’s first year as Chancellor and Trump’s first year as President. None of the various bad things Hitler did were to be found on the Trump side. No concentration camps for political dissidents. No barring Jews or anyone else from participating in the press or the arts, no anti-miscegenation laws, none of it.

    Someone linked to that post in a forum talking about how evil Trump was. The responses was that it was a “misleading” comparison. A side by side comparison of their actual actions showing that none of the dictatorial and abominable acts committed by Hitler are to be found was “misleading”.

    Well, somebody was being “misleading” but it wasn’t me.

  14. The invisible weasel who lives under my desk wants to know why you have a problem with him wearing underwear on his head. He thinks the pair of pink polka-dotted bloomers he has on now is very stylish.

    • Are they invisible pink polka-dotted bloomers?

    • Now I want to draw this.

    • weasel who lives under my desk
      *siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh* I have unfortunately, a very, very dirty mind, which rears into awareness at the most inopportune moments. I should probably sleep and let it torment only me.

      • Either you just suggested yourself writing a guest post.. or have just gotten yourself crossed off the list of such a possibility.

        • I’m a little afraid to go to sleep now. Ya see, I have rather vivid dreams. Nightmares =screaming in sleep (bad for where I am atm.) ‘weird’ dreaming – as in ‘dear brain, why did you conjure that? And where did it even come from?!

          Like the time I dreamed I was actually able to go to Dragoncon, and I stood talking to a guy who was doing a really impressive look-alike of President Trump (He was getting people taking selfies with him, also often in costume) … until a guy in suit walks up to him and says ‘Sir, I’m afraid we’ve used up what free time you have, it’s time to go.”

          It was the real deal, still President, and he’d stopped in to see what all the fuss was about, and since there were so many people in costume, nobody thought he was the real thing.

          He shook my hand and said it was lovely chatting with me, do come to Washington DC next, it’s a swamp, but the monuments and museums would be something I’d enjoy.

          Then even his exit to the Presidential limo with all the secret servicemen was seen as ‘very realistic cosplay, what effort!’

          I dreamed that when I’d spent three days of doing nothing related to political discussion.

          • That’s really funny. The best. LOL.

          • Oooh, the Dolly Parton defense, weaponized and updated!

            She’d stay in fairly cheap hotels, and was frequently asked “Gosh, do you know how much you look like Dolly Parton?” because of COURSE DOLLY PARTON wouldn’t be in a place like THAT!

          • Love it! I could totally see that, filmed a la _Airplane_.

          • British comedian Bill Bailey once talked about walking down the street and being accosted by a passerby:

            “Hey, you’re supposed to be Bill Bailey?”

            “Yes?”

            “Nice try!”

          • You should turn that dream into a really funny short story! It’s brilliant!

            • I sometimes get what I’ve started calling serial dreams – they’re episodic, continuing story arcs, the ‘next episode’ of which is sporadic. This ‘series’ started with me meeting Keanu Reeves in a bookstore, and making friends over Monster Hunter International.

              • Haha! Nice! My dreams often end up as altered segments in my stories, and in the book I’m just finishing up, there is quite a lot that was heavily inspired by my dreams. Some of those dreams feel like they flow in from some cosmic source, something beyond myself. It’s pretty wild. If you develop any stories from your dreams I’d be interested in reading them.

                • I’m just tempted to write it up as it happened and pop it up on my blog for folks to read, because it’s really weird but somehow entertaining crap that my brain comes up with. I had Obama hide at my house for a few very stressful hours for reasons never explained to me (I think, personally, they got very stuck in traffic and lost) – my very liberal friend laughed himself into hysterics when I told him what my headspace came up with – which included Obama’s staff wanting to cut my net so I couldn’t ‘reveal where he was’ – I said if he did that, I would lose my job (at the time, writing copy for small advertisements and site item descriptions) and if he was going to be that much of a pain in the arse, go sit in his damn limo. Then he wanted lamb shanks for some godforsaken reason, out of the blue (he got someone to get some from a place I suggested, and got portions for me and my mom, which was admittedly nice of him). Then started going through my bookshelves and constantly trying to talk to me WHILE I WAS TRYING TO WORK TO DEADLINES.

                  The Obama in my dream was an easily distracted man-child who tried to be friendly but failed to read the air, as the Japanese say. He was never rude, which, given my intense dislike of him my liberal friend said was a surprise. Just… ‘very fish out of water.’

                  That was also a dream where I literally refused to do anything related to politics/discussion thereof because as fun as they were, I had to work like a crazy thing from 8 to 10pm to make ends meet at the time.

                  • Haha! Do it! It would make for a very entertaining series. Just be sure to flesh them out with a little detail and plot development. 😉

                  • “I think perhaps the most important problem is that we are trying to understand the fundamental workings of the universe via a language devised for telling one another when the best fruit is.” – pterry

                    Consider, compared to your ancestors, how much *stuff* there is in your head. You’re using a brain evolved to keep track of a tribe or village, and bombarding it with an avalanche of “media” and books. And the virtual communities on the internet. And that’s just “real” meatspace, not gamespace.

                    An occasional nightmare seems like a small enough reaction to input overload… you put enough “stuff” in, it’s gonna start leaking out eventually.

                    “Sometimes I think I’m too easily distracted. I was once told that my mind
                    doesn’t just wander, it runs around screaming in its underpants.”
                    – David Gilbertson, Hackernoon blog 12/20/2016

                    • I would love to find out what part of what I’ve gotten as info somewhere resulted in transparent, venomous giant spiders that suddenly appeared under the bed quilt in one of the more recent, and very strange nightmares I had. (It resulted in screaming in my sleep, Rhys trying to soothe me, getting “SPIDERS!!!!!!!!!” as a response, and him eventually able to pet me down from screams to whimpers and then back to sleep. Apparently I never woke up, even while screaming.)

                    • I woke up in a cold sweat at one point, after a nightmare about multiplying animals….

                      It was kittens. They were EVERYWHERE.

                      (More understandably, last night’s nightmare was Cujo/rabies kitten destroying my phone as I dragged the kids away from it.)

                    • My mom said that dreaming about kittens means trouble, but I think that depends on the person.

                    • *looks around* Trouble works.

            • I agree, she should. Yes, I’ve read most of the responses to this comment, but I still think you should write it up separately – “”Cosplaying the President?”

          • Ooh! I know this one! You know how they say your dreams get very weird when you’re pregnant? I always maintained “how can you tell?” because my dreams are very odd but sometimes narratively presented, so I actually have a file that I call Dream Fragments where I write down what I dreamed. One got turned into a contest-winning story that involved evil sorority elves (and, oddly enough, something that is not unlike an Apple Watch.) I’ve gotten music a few times, including the basic theme that I used in the mass I wrote for my wedding, a heavy metal song that was the “soundtrack” to a dream that involved kickboxing ninjas in front of Jesus’ empty tomb, and a song that I swear was meant to end up in the head of folk rock singer Dar Williams, since it’s obviously hers. (I was able to successfully earworm a friend of mine with that, a song that neither of us had actually heard.)

            To give you an idea, one of my POV lines in last night’s dream was, “I’d say that was strange, but I’m friends with Death.”

            • And I thought bad insertion-fic was odd dreams.

              The two that stand out are being an NPC for Batman to save, and a freaking horror movie staring the wolf-men from World of Warcraft before the Worgen were a thing.

              • I had a doozy of a dream last week – which actually was very pleasant; I was staying on a commercial barge/houseboat which had been converted to a wall-to-wall eccentric bookstore with some B&B rooms available … but there was only one bathroom, so it was frustrating because there was a short line to use it. The bookstore-barge was moored in a very pleasant situation – a river running through a wooded suburb with beautiful views …
                Really, I almost hated to wake up.

      • Professor Badness

        Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!

      • Sounds like you’ve got a Hans implant. Better get it removed before it gets you into a whole lot of trouble. You don’t want to find any bananas where the sun don’t shine. 😂

        • Me being me, I came back to this comment, and thought “Bananas are not a suitable sex aid substitute. Suggest more structurally viable replacement, such as cucumber.”

          With this character’s voice

          My brain is strange even awake.

          • Lmao! You would likely prove very useful in a collaboration series my friend and I are planning. 😂

          • Though, to be fair to bananas, they might be a suitable sex aid substitute, in that I expect they would go limp after prolonged use, thus accurately impersonating the real thing!
            Oh, gods, look what we’ve started… 😅

            • …They… would go limp, but I don’t think the douching required afterward to clean out the mush – which is NOT a desirable …ah, outcome, shall we say? … would be worth the effort.

              Also noteworthy, from a real life incident my poor grandmother (a doctor) – soap does not make a suitable substitute for sex toys. Ever.

              • Omg!!! I’m cracking up! Hilarious mental images!!! And really, soap?! I can’t even imagine what goes through people’s minds at times. 😂

                • Soap, jam jars, cola bottles… though, looking back now, those are fairly tame to some of the things people shove up there in lieu of buying a vibrator. In all fairness though, she was dealing with stuff like this post WW2.

                  There is an episode in House MD where poor Wilson, having been gifted two tickets to an art show, made the mistake of not checking dates. Instead of paintings and similar sort of lovely artwork, he takes Cuddy (as a friendly outing) to …a different culture display. Think extreme BSDM. There are two scenes worth noting – the one where he’s apologizing to her; look in the background, there’s a slightly blurry, but very large picture.

                  The next scene has Cuddy leaning in close to a photograph looking horrified, saying “There’s NO way that won’t cause damage!” Wilson’s still apologizing, then catches a glimpse of what she’s looking at.

                  Wilson: “Is that a bicycle pump?!”
                  Cuddy: “That’s what I’m
                  saying!”

                  cue two very horrified doctors leaning in for a closer look at the trainwreck in photo.

                  • Waaa Haaa haaaa!!! I don’t know that show, but that scenario sounds hilarious as [insert expletive here]!

                    • OH MY GOD I AM JEALOUS YOU GET TO WATCH IT ALL

                      It’s a TV series called House MD, the titular Dr. House played by Hugh Laurie (who is British by the way, so I’m constantly impressed by his accent in the show) and between serious scenes there is so much comedy. He’s a sarcastic bastard and misanthrope (to hide the fact he cares too much) and clinic patients are his bane of existence. (I live with the IT guy version of him, my housemate who, after I finally got him to watch the series, reluctantly admitted he would’ve said a number of the lines.)

                      House MD is 8 seasons long. Some of the best stuff happens (in my opinion) in seasons 1-4.

                      Here’s a clip of him TRYING TO WIN A BET by being nice to clinic patients

                    • I guess I should give it a try. Generally, I don’t watch TV.

                    • I don’t either. I started watching because I had multiple friends who said that the main character would be me, if I had no social restraints.

                      Mind, those same friends said they could easily see me becoming Dexter Morgan if I didn’t respect the rule of law.

                      …or decided there are some people who really, really needed killing enough, hoisted the black flag, and decided to get down to business.

                      Says a lot about me and my friends that they knew I’d take those comparisons (hypersarcastic misanthropic doctor and a serial killer with an ethical ruleset for picking his victims – serial killers, serial criminals, and a special particular group for anyone who hurt children) as… a compliment.

                    • Haha! Sounds a bit like Hannibal Lechter.

                  • Most hospital emergency rooms have a drawer or cabinet with a collection of objects retrieved from unlikely places…

                    “What goes in, won’t necessarily come out…”

  15. No, removing someone’s clearance is not silencing him. It’s preventing him from getting information with which he’s proven unreliable. And btw it happens quietly all over the land every day and has since the clearance system was invented.

    Him still having an active clearance was the odd thing– and I wouldn’t take bets on if his clearance has been removed or suspended.

    Suspended is what happens any time you leave the job where you’re required to have the clearance; you get read out, it’s gone, and if they need something they read you back in. My clearance was suspended, and is now inactive.

    Having your clearance removed for cause, on the other hand…that’s a bit bigger of a deal.
    And the guy gave more than enough grounds to have it yanked.

    • That’s the puzzler, even for me, and I have never had any clearance. If it’s job-critical and the job is gone… why isn’t the clearance gone as well? Far less important things seems to have much better “opsec” than what keeps showing up. If our security agencies are so lax as that… what else are they failing miserably at?

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

        IIRC When you leave a job that required certain clearance levels, your clearance access goes to “inactive” not completely removed.

        Thus if you start a new job that requires that security level, it is relatively easy to change “inactive” to “active”.

        Now if your clearance level is completely removed, it is relatively difficult to get it restored.

        Again IIRC, some people who had high clearance levels that became “inactive” have still been getting access from “people who should have known better”.

        Of course, talking about “top secret information” that you once had access to has always been illegal. Your current security clearance is not relevant in that situation.

        IMO What Trump has done is to remove people from the “inactive” list to the “completely removed” list and made it clear to other people that giving them “top secret” information will be punished.

      • For everything else, that’s how it’s done; that’s why you’ve got folks– me included!– who responded negatively to Trump yanking the clearance, because in a normal situation the clearance would be suspended. So the only option was basically marking a guy as a national security risk, and I hope I don’t have to explain why that would make folks twitchy after Obama?

        But that wasn’t the situation. The guy had an active clearance “just in case” the next guy wanted to call him up to consult, AND he was very openly using the “I have a clearance” thing to add weight to his words, and to get work, and for political attacks.

        If I’d done that, I’d have had my clearance yanked so fast your head would spin, and I’d probably be up on charges.

        • Everyone who is not actively working at a job that requires active clearance should have an inactive clearance status no matter the level. Period. End Conversation. Don’t care what has been done in the past. That practice is so stupid it is pathetic.

          Anyone trading on their Clearance status for another job belongs in prison as unreliable & security list; after suitable charges & convictions, naturally.

          • Suspended.

            Inactive means you have to be cleared again– expired. I think it’s every six years…..

            I would say anybody trading on knowledge of classified stuff for their job should at least be investigated– but “I have a (current or suspended) clearance, here’s the proof” is just telling the employer that they won’t have to pay a lot to get a “you can’t hire this guy” warning, and it’s a major thing in gov’t hiring.

            My husband tried to pencil out what it would cost to do a clearance every time someone changed jobs, and it went between ludicrous (for only the most extreme example– like changing from DoD to DoJ) to insane (for every time you changed job title– it’s not unusual to move folks who are good at something through two or three different jobs in a year. Say, the guy who is really good at setting up computers.)

            • Yeah… but how clearances are handled isn’t all that confidence-inspiring, either civilian or military.

              Even without things like the John Walker case, where the guy they put in charge of vetting people for security clearances was the one who was working for the KGB…

              • There are a lot of issues. (Army, I am looking at YOU, with your “rules, what rules, let’s let folks bring in drives like it’s cool” and such.)

                Not a problem with clearance, it’s a problem with the human side. As always.

                • USAF might have them beat; their drone command center in Oklahoma has been knocked out of service multiple times by computer viruses, which their security team seemed helpless to deal with.

                  You have computers directing armed aircraft. They shouldn’t be connected to the internet or milnet. And there should be a guard at the door of the control room, patting operators down for thumb drives, smart watches, phones, cameras, health monitors, or anything else that might have a storage. And then we deal with the sysadmins who didn’t fill all the data ports with hot glue and firewall the machines from everything except the satellites they’re passing signals to…

                  There are times I regret hanging up the whip and spiked jackboots of the security administrator…

            • “Inactive means you have to be cleared again– expired. I think it’s every six years…..”

              Depends on the clearance level — Secret is seven years, and I think Confidential is 10. Not sure what TS, let alone TS-SCI, would be. Effectively, it probably should be checked periodically forever at that level.

              • *shrug* Hasn’t mattered to me for quite some time; glad you’ve got some idea of dates.

              • Heh, when DSS decided that my clearance needed to be upgraded to TS/SCI, I filled out the paper work and turned it in and waited, and waited, and waited…
                And finally after a month or so I went to my dept head and asked her what was going on. She checked, and a few days later came back and told me that “they” started processing the paperwork and discovered that my clearance was already at that level… Oooookay.
                And – as I’ve been told – that level goes inactive when you retire or leave but can be reactivated with the submission of (once again) the proper paperwork.

              • Inactive means you are not currently in a job that requires a clearance. After 2 years your clearance expires and you have to start the whole thing over again.

    • That’s one thing that all of my coworkers have noted. Between all the theatrics (Brennan), leaking (Comey, McCabe), and affairs we know that any of us would have long been shown the door

      • That may be our salvation– all the workers goiung “what the hell?!?!”

        • The problem is most of the population doesn’t understand just what little things will trip up the slave class while the gentry get away with everything. And it’s just a continuation of 2016. Plus they listen to all the Treason garbage and believe it.

    • For normal people it’s pretty simple. When you leave the job your clearance goes inactive, after 2 years it expires and poof it’s gone, start over if you want another one. It might expire earlier if you are due for a periodic reinvestigation. Lots of people have a second retirement party at two years when their clearance expires.

      The controversy here is that they made a sneaky exception for “Senior Officials” that allowed their clearance to stay active indefinitely. Having an active clearance doesn’t let them have access, they still have to have need to know. Keeping their clearance active allows them to immediately start back into a clearance job when the political winds change without waiting the 9-18 months for a full investigation (intelligence level clearance).

      The other reason for the 2 year expiration party is the expiration of special laws and travel restrictions that you agreed to when you accepted the clearance.

  16. I expect that the latest in-house sci-fi “Nazi!” rant (with enumerated points) will end up as “I wasn’t talking about you!” at which point any sane person would ask, well who *were* you talking about then? Because if there is a Nazi lurking about someplace, I’d really like to know.

    But there must be one somewhere because the sorts of social control that involves shaming people for wrong thinking or instructing them how to grovel when they screw up so that they can be welcomed back into the fold… well, that only works when there are monsters waiting outside the gates.

    Without monsters the only sane response to those sorts of social control mechanisms is, “Yeah, whatever. I’m going to go get some ice cream and maybe some cookies. The Dark Side has cookies.”

  17. A colleague was talking about having the students read _1984_ and _A Handmaid’s Tale_ in English class to give them an idea of the current political situation and what the government wants to do. After I closed my dropped jaw, all I could think was “My Lord, you are going to turn kids off of sci-fi forever if you shove Atwood down their throats! That’s dreck and not even fun dreck!”

    Said teacher can’t find schedule time to do that, and I didn’t say a word.

    • Is she delusional? Why would the government want sex slaves to make bad porn?

      • BobtheRegisterredFool

        In fairness, given sex ed, it does seem like a Weinsteinian political elite wants to publicly flaunt their predations.

      • I’m not sure she read the book, or if she did, it was so long ago that she’s forgotten that part. I suspect the admin would stop it anyway, because of that section.

        • You know the funny thing? If population dearth is as bad as I believe (might be worse) in ten to twenty years banning of all contraceptives and abortion will start catching on in the world
          NOT IN AMERICA because civil liberties, etc, but in other countries? Yeah. Plus probably requirements you give birth before you attend college, etc.
          I mean, I think we’ve really pucked ourselves on birth rate, and as I said scientists are starting to look up and go “What the hell?”
          Handmaid will come from the left, not the right.

          • Hero of the Soviet Union for… was it six kids and up? I don’t recall. (Yet another book I need to finish reading…)

            • For that matter, the Third Reich used to give cash bonuses to (suitably Aryan) women with more than two children… there were other bonuses if they married someone in the SS.

              • Much as I hate to praise the national socialists, there is a germ we could pull from it. We make children an extremely expensive proposition for anyone doing it “right”. But we make sure the ones that are irresponsible, have no income, and make no effort to educate or sometimes even control their spawn get paid to do so. One thing thats always played in my head, trying some method to push intact families or at least role models.

          • Read (I think at Insty, maybe one of your links?) that the Chinese Commies are now quite concerned about the hang over from One Child/ and are pushing for more kids and please more girls!

            • That’s been in a lot more than one spot. Japan hasn’t figured out how to attend to their population death spiral. The fact a lot of young men have given up on sex isn’t helping any. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japan-sex-problem-demographic-time-bomb-birth-rates-sex-robots-fertility-crisis-virgins-romance-porn-a7831041.html

              • From a decade back, the issue is cultural– but not a sudden lack of wanting sex.

                FFS, think of the dumbest, jerkiest, macho poisoned twit Marine you’ve ever met.
                We had gals lining up to date him because he was SO NICE compared to what was expected for Japanese guys.

                Y’all konw I’ve got…issues…with the “you’ve got to have it all” thing in the US?
                In Japan, it’s backed up with a cultural expectation of failures killing themselves.

                Of course they have issues.

                • In Wearing the Cape, Japan was called out as having more breakthroughs, and also more nasty breakthroughs, solely because of cultural stress.

              • Part of it, at least here, is the fallout from the experience that many people are divorced, and usually dragged thru mud. I think that I have worked with 5 or so once married coworkers. Easily twice that divorced, usually ugly.

            • Despite that, the orphanages still runneth over with girl children. I don’t know if the killing rooms are still there though.

              You’d think the Chinese government would be investing in raising those girls…

            • The ChiComs seem to have managed something I’d have guessed impossible: really and truly convinced the bulk of their population that they don’t want kids, and certainly not more than one. Going by conversations with expat classmates a few years back: nobody they knew growing up had siblings, and very few had uncles & aunts, and the idea of being responsible for multiple interacting kids is completely alien to them

              I don’t see them reversing this.

              (I do see them exporting excess male population to manage the mines in puppet African countries—or to just work there, for the less fortunate—while importing unskilled labor from those countries to care for the geriatric population. And if Africa is very, very, lucky, they’ll be kinder slavemasters than the Belgians.)

          • What is population dearth? And pardon my ignorance.

    • Funny, they never want to mandate “Starship Troopers” or “The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress…”

  18. Several years ago, Bill Whittle had three essays about reading a conspiracy theory book back in the late 1970s – yearly 1980s (one of the “moon landing was faked,” IIRC) and discovering the power of conspiracy theories. If you believe, you are 1) part of a secret inner group who Knows Something. 2) The government wants to silence you, so you are Special. 3) This gives you power.

    I can see that with people who are absolutely certain that “the government” wants them silenced, rounded up, and disappeared. Because that means they are special, and privileged, and are dangerous and thus have power. At least in their own little sphere, which might not extend past their ears.

    • And yet they *never* act like anyone is actually out to get them. Never.

    • Sometimes though, the conspiracy is real (Clintons, arkanicide…) which doesn’t help at all.

      • yeah, but those are easier to see, as a ton of those who would like to say something about it, can’t. they be dead

        • https://pjmedia.com/trending/the-fences-are-closing-in/?singlepage=true

          It’s easy to say ‘they have no power over me!’ but they’re going after livelihoods and reputations via the SPLC, and financial institutions. It is not hard to see the parallels of what happened to the Jews in Germany (and the pogroms elsewhere) and the current events in South Africa.

          Part of the problem is the not too unjustified notion that we (conservatives) have nowhere to go in terms of financial / tecnological options or alternatives. The tactics of Anita Sarkeesian and Al Sharpton have succeeded.

          • Yep. You may be able to pay with cash or barter but probably see the abolition of paper currency in my lifetime to make sure that the masters of the universe have their control.

            And the danger is that the fascist techniques have worked. Want to bank? Yeah, it’s private but there are so many regulations that you can never make a freedom bank. Same with internet (pretty much all of it in the US is private and could block sites relatively easily; right side blogs and news sites seem to end up on the corporate work filters pretty easily).

            • I still write a few monthly checks, which I mail after making a deposit to cover them. Everything else is cash.

              It was funny; the realtor didn’t bat an eye when I handed over a stack of money to buy a house, but my auto insurance agent has to send someone to the bank every time I pay them, because they don’t have a cash box any more…

          • I see also the Attorney General of Louisiana is going after Banking for blocking purchases of guns.

            • Yeah. These fools are whittling away at their “You cannot refuse service” push that they made very one-sided in their favor (Cannot discriminate against gay and transgenders, but religious – Christian only- folks can’t refuse based on their faith). By using political reasons to refuse services, they’re removing their ability to object (and in fact, can be sued for) much the same reason.

              The only thing that keeps me from being fully optimistic about this is left-wng court lawfaring having been more or less unchallenged for the last few years. But it’s Louisiana, and there might be some hope…

              • The other strength the left has is that they don’t stop the attempts. Ban assault weapon bans? They ignore court, ban via tax or just outright ignore the court decision. Same thing going on with bakery. The day the ruling came down a new complaint was manufactured and the booted foot of the state back on their neck. The right sits on laurels and treats the court rulings as gospel as opposed to just words on paper.

                • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

                  On the “cake” situation, I think Colorado is going to feel the hurt.

                  IE Even the Courts (especially after the Supreme Court win) will be saying “What The F*ck”.

                  • I saw a meme something like… “In the wake of another suit against bla bla, Colorado considers opening a second bakery.”

                  • IF Colorado’s “human rights” commission had been smart and not stoned, they would have picked on a different baker or waited longer. But hammering the same person for similar reasons and (basically) saying it is because a SCOTUS justice told them that doing it this way was OK… Not smart, guys.

              • “Can’t refuse service” opens up a really *amazing* evangelism avenue. We can force anyone at all to write our message on their product, over and over.

                • Already been tried. Courts and states don’t recognize that discrimination as discrimination. Even religious statements have been ruled fair game to not do because it makes a protected class worker get badfeels.

                  Same with the stuff going on with all the methods of disseminating ideas and making a living. Even the card companies are barring folks with badthink. But they are 1. Private companies and 2. The discrimination laws are written such that the majority cannot make use of them. Even if they become the minority.

          • Which is why “we’re winning” seems just a trifle… rosy, shall we say.

    • Met someone like that. I think I gasted his flabbers when I pointed out how hard it would be to fake, and that by the time you had put in all that effort into faking a moon landing, you might as well just go – it’d be easier. And I might have gotten that from Whittle, but I am no longer sure of the source.

      • I’ve made that argument – from a technical perspective, it would be easier and cheaper to just go to the moon than to do such an in depth fake.

        • I mentioned that once and got a great followup. Someone who well and truly the video/camera technology of the day pointed out that faking was pretty much impossible from the matter of making cameras do/show that… and that’s nothing to do with backgrounds, or microgravity. I forget the details, but it was fascinating as I read it.

          • pointed out to one fellow that all he needed was a really strong ‘scope and he could see the foot paths and tire tracks himself. He mumbled about them sending up remote controlled stuff to fake that. I then said it was easier to send men to do it than send remote controlled stuff as it would be too sophisticated for the tech of the time.
            I think telling him to keep up the ranting, so everyone would know, without a doubt, he was a #@%ing moron, went over well.

        • This bit posits that argument well:

        • Someone made the argument that the moon landing was fake by saying that humans couldn’t have survived the radiation belt of Earth.

          I knew someone who worked on a nuclear sub (or ship), so I asked the question and he said they live on a freaking ship that puts out that much radiation. The astronauts had to pass through that radiation very quickly in comparison to living next to the reactor.

          Relayed the info back to the person that made the conspiracy theory argument the next time I saw her. She was at the very least willing to concede she might wrong in the face of that argument.

      • Donald Stephens

        Another point is that all of the voice and television communications were unencrypted analog broadcasts. The Soviet Union would listen in on the U.S manned launches and the U.S. would do likewise for the Soviet program. If a landing or mission was faked, the other side would have been able to prove it in real time. That never happened.

  19. Trump isn’t the Worst Hitler, he’s clearly the Best Hitler!

    I mean, given the choice between Actual!Hitler, ChimpyMcBusHitler, and Cheeto!Hitler, who’d pick either of the other two to lead?

    -Albert

    • I didn’t mind ChimpyMcBusHitler over much, but you’ve made an interesting point.

    • I’d probably have gone with ChimpyMcBusHitler. Not everything he did worked out well, but not everything Trump will do will work out well, and I trust Chimpy’s innate honesty much more than Trump’s.

      But those weren’t our choices. We had Cheeto!Hitler vs. FemBot Hitler, and thus far, Cheeto is giving me no reason to regret my vote.

      • The convincing point before the election was that (since I live in a cave and was actually unfamiliar with Trump) when I dug up interviews going back some 35 years, here’s Trump saying the exact same things he says today, with the same passion. Remarkably consistent, and unfailingly patriotic. Well, that beats hell out of the Benghazi Bumbler, even if I hadn’t already decided my vote went to anyone-but-Clinton.

        I have not been disappointed. To the contrary, every day I’m glad Trump is my President. I don’t always agree with everything that comes from the Oval Office, but overall? Woulda been hard to find better.

        BTW, in his youth he was a catcher, good enough that he was scouted by two pro teams. That alone says a lot about his ability to see both the whole picture, and a wee bit into the future. Also had a repute as the guy who’d always get his uniform dirty — meaning he played hard and without fear.

        • Yep.

          Trump likes America.

          There’s stuff he’d like to change, and it’s not the stuff I’d like to change, so we’re opponents– but he LIKES AMERICA.

          And he’s not vicious, that I can tell.

          Better than Mrs. “I really, really hate the military, and that’s not a poetic turn of phrase” lady.

        • Was at the station one night and comedy central showed a roast of Trump. One of our younger guy remarked as to how he was surprised that security allowed it. I pointed out it was from 2012. But the near campaign speech at the end was out of tomorrow’s rally.

        • Trump’s consistency and love of America was what made me not worry about him being elected to the White House, and I’m a foreigner. I knew I wouldn’t agree with everything he did or said (I don’t have to, and in fact, nobody fits that description – not even my husband) and the expectation that ‘you have to’ in order to pick your President is the stupidest thing I’ve ever, ever heard. The criticisms about his becoming verbally pro-life later being hypocrisy is silly as well – last I checked, a human being is allowed to change one’s mind about something. Criticizing that he fails sometimes reveals that the Left ‘expects perfection from their foes’ – foolishness, and a reveal of their bigotry of low expectations even on their side.

          I remember reading a comment somewhere on Disqus where a guy said that given the option of Hitlery and ‘Cheeto’ he picked the Cheeto because at least there were 7 campaign promises that he considered important. Apparently, Trump’s already fulfilled 6 out of those 7, which is ‘more than any President has ever done in my lifetime.’

          Rhys said that he read an interview of one of the smaller campaign offices having a disagreement with Trump about how they were going about the local campaign. One of the local staff laid out why they were doing this, why they believed it would work better than what Trump had in mind, and how it would affect local perception of his campaign. Apparently he listened quietly while this staff person made the case, then said “Sounds good. We’ll go with that,” and followed their direction for that area. The staff member remembered thinking that arguing against Trump might cost him his job, but he really wanted the local campaign to work, and was trusting his measure of Trump the man. For Rhys, it was illustrative of ‘you just have to make sense to Trump, and lay it out in a manner that will work out.’

      • Ditto; W’s weakness is that he’s trying really hard to be a Christian, while Trump’s is his pride.

        While Trump’s pride is working out much better right now, and for the foreseeable future, I’d rather have W as a generic leader.

        Trump is better RIGHT NOW because of the enemy we face, which is so freaking stupid they force someone who is a natural opponent on to my side. Holy crud, what the….
        *walks off, shaking her head*

      • never has someone made me so happy to be proven wrong.
        As long as he keeps it up in a similar vain, I’ll take it. It could have been far worse, even with him, let alone the Wannabe Pol Pot

  20. I had a Democratic pollster come to my door this weekend. I really wanted to point at her and say, “Rope. Tree. Some assembly required.”, but I was cordial and after the third candidate she mentioned kept it to, “Let’s make this quick so you aren’t wasting my time. If there’s a Democrat running, I won’t be voting for them.” I may or may not be voting for the Republican (honestly, many of them need to be next to the Dems up in that tree), but I can assure you I won’t be voting for the Democrat or Communist candidate.

    My state is somewhat unique in the US in that we have a couple of state owned businesses. Both were results of farm economy problems from out of state companies putting pressure on ND farmers. Many of the socialist programs in our state come from the rise of the Non-Partisan League back in the late 1910’s and early 1920’s.

    • Some of the farm politics in the 1860ss-1930s is fascinating. The Alliance, Farmers’ Union, Grange and other groups really managed to shake things up on occasion, even if the end result wasn’t what people had hoped (see: Jim Crow and the disenfranchisement of poor Whites to keep them from voting with Blacks and tossing the Redeemers out of power.)

    • After concluding that examining “the issues” was a waste of time because politicians lie by default, I developed a system I feel works well.

      1: vote against the Democrats (their Party platform is unconstitutional and repellent)

      2: vote against the incumbent, unless it conflicts with 1 (they’ve already had their turn at the trough) (usually most relevant in primaries)

  21. This was a very funny and entertaining read! You have a way with words!

  22. rightasusual2003gmailcom

    It’s certainly more convenient to vote by mail/absentee ballot, but…

    I’m reminded of the book, “If It’s Not Close, They Can’t Cheat”. If they KNOW how many votes they have to steal, they’ll make sure that they have at least that number.

    So. Tell all pollsters you’re not sure you’ll be voting (give them a false sense of security). Vote on Election Day. Take as many people as you can with you. Make multiple trips. Volunteer to watch the polls.

    And, pray.

    • Captain Comic

      Send mail-in ballots for any old addresses you may have lived at.

      Help your grandparents vote. And THEIR grandparents.

      Help the local party “find” misplaced boxes or bags of votes.

      Chicago delenda est!

      • rightasusual2003gmailcom

        Nope. While probably effective, there are some depths that I will not sink to. I have to live with myself.

  23. Something I saw on tumblr recently:
    “First they came for Alex Jones and I said nothing because he’s basically a Nazi.
    Then they came for the political right and I said nothing because they’re basically Nazis
    Then they came for the Libertarians and I said nothing because they’re basically Nazis
    Then they came for the centrists and I said nothing because they’re basically Nazis
    Then they came for the non-Marxist Liberals and I said nothing because they’re basically Nazis
    Then I was locked in a Gulag.”

    I thought it was an apt riff on Martin Niemöller quote.

  24. So many ways to convince them of their insanity – but then they wouldn’t be insane, would they? Thanx for the post!
    BTW – I, too, go through “rebuilds” periodically (I like that word – wish I had thought of it.) It’s always good to reign yourself back in when you start drifting from your moorings (sorry – badly mixed metaphors.) – thanx again!

  25. Captain Comic

    Average leftists gather around Bill Ayers and demand a full pardon and repatriation of a murderer who fled to Cuba.

    Average right wingers say McVeigh and Klan murderers should receive the death penalty.

    Which group embraces power and violence, again?

    • Timothy wasn’t very right wing, more a Nazi with less racism (a chance he’d be a Bernie Bro), and the Klan is the left. But yeah, the left does love them some murderous people, no?

  26. Lengthy. My regrets. Reasons ought be apparent.

    This country has survived scarier times. To the extent that we live in a big scary tech transition, one that, when it’s done, will completely change the way we work and live … this has happened before, with the civil war.

    An interesting and related insight:

    ( Full address can be found at CSPAN: http://www.c-span[DOT]org/video/?447001-2/economy-volunteer-union-soldiers )

    Excerpt:
    “One thing I did was look at the rosters of all the people that fought in that battle. The first thing I noticed among the Massachusetts regiments, which were numerous, was how many shoemakers there were on the rosters. One regiment was composed of 24, 25% shoemakers. Another one had 30% of its roster consisting of shoemakers, another had 33%. About the same time, I run across a labor journal article about the Shoemakers’ Strike of 1860. It was the largest single labor action in U.S. History before the Civil War.

    “It started in Lynn, Massachusetts, and ultimately spread around eastern Massachusetts. The author estimated that about half of what he supposed were 40,000 shoemakers, went out on strike. Shoemaking at that time — over 30 or 40 years — had been transformed from a cottage industry, where craft when craftsman made custom shoes for individuals to basically, forced labor. And in industrialized labor, the emphasis was on more production, but certainly not more compensation.

    “Shoemakers in 1860 were making as little as $3.50 or more per week. The rent for a house for a family was three dollars a week. Room and board was $2.75 per week. So whole families a lot of times, had to go into the shops to make a living. The problem was, they didn’t have enough money to save any in for the strike so, the strike only lasted a few weeks and eventually, they went back to work. So they went back to work, and they lost all those wages.

    “The shoemaking trade in those days used to have a slump toward the early autumn, then it would pick up late in the year, I suppose, when Southerners would start buying shoes after going barefoot all summer. When Westerners used to buy boots for the winter. But it didn’t happen that year. Had been an election — there had been an election in a large percentage of the country, was of this really upset by the person elected — was it viscerally upset by the person elected. If that was not their president, they were pulling out of the game. Any imagine anybody being that upset about an election?

    “One of the things they did was stop doing business with Northerners. They stopped buying goods from them, they stop sending con up sending cotton up — sending cotton up there. The shoemakers were sort of the canary in the coal mine doing the little recession, they were the first to suffer when it nobody hired them back in the fall, but it was a fairly widespread recession.

    “The textile industry in New England was impacted as well, manufacturing in New York and Philadelphia was heavily affected. Out in the west, you had a currency crisis. In those days, of course, individual banks issued all the money that you used. If you were living here in Gettysburg, you might have your pocket full of bills from the Adams County Trust, if there is such a bank, and perhaps, there is — in the East, those banks used to keep gold on hand to back their bills, usually about 10% of whatever you had issued. Out in the West, a lot of banks secured their issues on Southern bonds — guaranteed or secured the money they issued on Southern bonds and suddenly, those bonds did not look very good. They were worthless. As a result, nobody had any money to buy anything and if you have something to sell, you couldn’t get rid of it. And believe me, people had plenty to sell after the harvest of 1860.

    “Then, there was the simple issue of uncertainty. Even today, we hear that uncertainty is the worst thing that can happen to business. And it happened, then. People stopped investing, nobody wanted to put any money out, even if they had good money. It seems to be quite a recession, that as long as I have been interested in the Civil War — and I can tell you a story that I have been, recognizably interested since I was five years old — I have never read about this recession.

    “… So, I started looking back to the newspapers, from just before the start of the war, which frankly I hadn’t pored overmuch before. The war began in April 12, 1861, and before that, nothing really seems to matter. But when I started looking at newspapers Madrid 1860 and 1861, looking specifically, at evidence of economic turmoil, it was pretty hard to miss, it was all over the place.

    “The New York Journal Of Commerce, I’ve got a few quotes here, the New York Journal Of Commerce, three weeks after the election, said that 25,000 factory workers in New York City alone had lost their jobs as a result of the crisis. The Cheshire Republican had an article entitled “Hard Times” — that term “hard times” keeps coming up in newspapers during this period. The complaint was general throughout the country that the times are hard and are daily growing worse. It’s probable that before the winter closes most of the manufacturing establishments in New England will suspend operations and thousands of laboring people will be thrown out of employment.

    “Another newspaper on the other side of the state two days later, in a town that was both a textile town and a shoe making town reported that the workmen in the shoe towns are generally without employment. This is January 4. And there seems for them a gloomy prospect for the remainder of the winter.

    “The Philadelphia Inquirer, February 22, 1860, 1861, said 40% of the factory workers in that city were either out of work or were not working enough to support themselves. And that continued, would you expect the material production for the war would kind of jump-start the economy but that didn’t happen immediately. There was so much backlog of inventory that it didn’t happen for quite some time.

    “In Rhode Island, which was the most proportionately heavily industrialized state in the country, they were hit particularly hard. That was a state where 55% of the people were so poor they claimed no income. The median income for Rhode Island in 1860 was zero. Three months passed, they have not been able to earn more than $2 or $3. Most have earned but little for the last eight months. Count back eight months, that’s the election. So there is your evidence that there was a recession. So when the shooting starts and they start asking for troops who is going to enlist? What are all of these unemployed people going to do?”
    End Excerpt

    In Lincoln’s Mercenaries, renowned Civil War historian William Marvel considers whether poor northern men bore the highest burden of military service during the American Civil War. Examining data on median family wealth from the 1860 United States Census, Marvel reveals the economic conditions of the earliest volunteers from each northern state during the seven major recruitment and conscription periods of the war. The results consistently support the conclusion that the majority of these soldiers came from the poorer half of their respective states’ population, especially during the first year of fighting.

    Marvel further suggests that the largely forgotten economic depression of 1860 and 1861 contributed in part to the disproportionate participation in the war of men from chronically impoverished occupations. During this fiscal downturn, thousands lost their jobs, leaving them susceptible to the modest emoluments of military pay and community support for soldiers’ families. From newspaper accounts and individual contemporary testimony, he concludes that these early recruits―whom historians have generally regarded as the most patriotic of Lincoln’s soldiers―were motivated just as much by money as those who enlisted later for exorbitant bounties, and that those generous bounties were made necessary partly because war production and labor shortages improved economic conditions on the home front.
    [From Amazon description of the book]

    • My apologies – the address for the full presentation (about forty-five minutes with fifteen minutes Q&A) was supposed to present as neutered, not live. As WP (may it rot in eternal damnation) apparently triggered on the http phrasing and didn’t push it into moderation for a second URL, here’s the proper link for any interested:

      http://www.c-span.org/video/?447001-2/economy-volunteer-union-soldiers

      Lest any think this is a damning of the North in contrast to the South, he does address that, pointing out that the Southern Army, states and towns relied on conscription, didn’t pay nearly well enough to offer an economic incentive for serving … and what they did pay, being in Confederate dollars, was of no value.

      • Well, they had some value in the Confederacy… but part of the problem was that somewhere between 1/3 and 2/3 of all Confederate money was counterfeit; printed in the Union as part of their economic warfare program and spread out to undermine the Confederate economy, which was never much better than “shaky” to begin with.

        [this is a sticky point for some collectors of Confederate currency…]

      • It’s also worth noting that the Confederacy had to resort to conscription far sooner than the Union–about a year earlier, in fact.

    • It appears that the trigger (or perhaps more accurately, a trigger) for the recession was that the South stopped sending cotton North. If so, it would have added a little weight to the South’s argument that “King Cotton” could be used to get other nations (such as Great Britain) involved in attempting to get the North to bring the war to an early (and unsuccessful) conclusion.

      It didn’t work, obviously.

      • BobtheRegisterredFool

        They’d apparently sold the British enough, getting start up funding for the war, that the British were able to plant crops in Egypt and India.

        • 11B-Mailclerk

          The British also obtained Tea seedlings from China, which they planted in India. This broke China’s monopoly on Tea.

  27. The newly elected President, stuck with the problem of how to respond to the Progressive Left, consulted his Cabinet and got nothing. He then requested that they call a random member of the Republican party for outside input. But since the person they called was actually a member of organized crime, the suggestion was for him to have all of the assassinated.

    His Cabinet members were obviously horrified. So they suggested that instead of actually having them killed, they instead hire a professional character assassin.

    A week later, they received a letter from their hireling who included the full amount that they had prepaid him.

    “Dear Mr. President:

    I hereby return your payment in full as I am unable to complete the job for which your Cabinet hired me. I regret to inform you that it is not possible for me to assassinate the character of those who have none. And the few who did have a modicum of character long ago committed character suicide.”

  28. Christopher M Chupik

    “these are the running around with your underwear on your head talking to random weasels years”

    Is it less crazy if they are known weasels? Asking for a friend.

  29. The most dangerous part is that there is increasing polarization and propagandizing that does have an effect. Yes, people may learn as they live, but it takes one man, one vote, one time.

    Once the propaganda outlets are secured (fairness doctrine, hate speech, net neutrality, etc) and jackboots realize that they will only live if they fall in line, it won’t matter. Could get rid of elections but probably just do more character defamation, preventing the targets from defending self, and vote dilution to make sure no more wrong outcomes happen. Plus the targeted prosecutions and use of government to harry and distract anyone that even thinks of stepping out of line. Before even adding in the non government thought control by media, finance, and corporations.

    Soviets lasted 4 generations (never mind their offspring taking over the US).

  30. My personal discovery is this-

    For quite a few people, nominally rational and thoughtful, it’s been like that proverbial lobster pot. They haven’t been thrown into the deep end that most of the lunatics that have been hiding in the media and academia have been living in. It’s been a long, slow boil of ever-increasing change that has been given both carrot (“you want to do the right thing, don’t you?”) and stick (“if you don’t do the right thing, you’re a horrible person”) for decades.

    And, some of these changes and reforms and fixes are needed. Let us not doubt that. But, for many of the lunatics, the people that keep chasing that Utopian dream of Perfect Socialism and it’s red-headed stepchildren of Fascism, Communism, and National Socialism, all that change is just the first brick in the road. They want to lay down a path that leads to their perfect future, and they can’t look up. They can never look up because the moment they do, they will see that their path leads to the gulag. To the gates that say “Arbeit macht frei.” To the open spot in the forest where your friends are waiting, just over the freshly dug pit, one of them with a loaded pistol in their hands.

    So, they look down, and lay their bricks, because if they look up…they lose what few dreams they have.

    What happens, when someone turns the heat off the pot? And, worse…threatens to take the pot off the burner and just let the water return to normal. Whatever else has happened, your world has been a kind of “normal” and people have told you that this is fine, this is wonderful. That this change matters.

    But, when the change ends? When the water cools down to room temperature? Could that be the touch of frost rattling the windows of the world you’ve made?

    Trump, for all of his bluster and hype and change, has done nothing more than turn off the burners. You can even make the case that he’s even just turned the burners down. But, it’s still a change away from the increase of heat, of temperature, of the burning of dreams.

    Change is scary, even when it’s the change you want. The change you don’t want? It’s terrifying. And, when people are scared, they lash out with words and with fists and with weapons.

    And that’s what we’re seeing today. The fear among the people that thought they were on the Right Path To The Future…discovering that there are no more bricks and that there’s the faint scent of burned pork from just over the hill. That the price to make more bricks is the sacrifice of their own, and everything that they held dear, for that dream.

    For those people, that little fact is terrifying.

  31. analytical-engine-mechanic

    All too up-to-the-minute, all too on-topic…
    [so my advance apologies if the journalistic “fog of war” conceals more than it discloses, to misquote the poetic Mr. Key]

    Local(-ish) news outlets the past few hours have been reporting another case of Confederate statue lynching, this time the “Silent Sam” veterans’ memorial at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill. Better built than the recent “victim” in nearby Durham, the statue was toppled onto its face (and kicked and spat on, etc.) but perhaps not badly damaged. There is video to document this, but so far only seconds’ worth. It seems to be the by-now classic pattern of a mob with a rope — vehicles could’ve reached the site only with difficulty.

    And this attack started as a street march, behind an “Anti-Fascist” banner.

    Evidently these were University students, attacking a memorial to their own fellow students of some time back. At “the oldest state university in the nation.”
    (Which stayed open the entire war — until Reconstruction shut it down.)

    There was a police (campus? town?) guard in place, from at least earlier in the day. They were told (so it’s said) “You better get out of the way” — and evidently they obeyed their revolutionary cadre’s instructions, to permit this to happen.

    It’s not clear whether this group is ad-hoc or affiliated with the “Workers World Party” group (see their Web site) who marched in support of the Durham vandals in black shirts and carrying signs with Web addresses for the WWP, which identifies itself as an explicitly Marxist group (and whose members were all nearly or completely unpunished in the the end).
    It is clear this “action” happened in Orange County, not Durham County, rather more rural even now. It’ll be interesting to see what action is taken by them, and/or the University’s student Honor Court (assuming they are students).

    This is a veteran’s memorial, and moreover (unless I’m completely fuzzing my research for a Civil War Between the States alternate-history) one to *United States* veterans too (thanks to an act of Congress, which came up in a book on *female* veterans on both sides of the war — a few of them got pensions due to their proven CSA service!).

    And that’s completely in-line with the WWP’s stated goals: abolish the military and disarm the police, reverse the results of assorted wars (like returning to Mexico what sounds like several states’ worth of land). There is language on the site (or there was a few months ago) that basically dismisses our military as something like imperialist thugs (see the exact text) and all their historical actions as illegitimate. So all our other memorials seem to be targeted too.
    (And for whatever it’s worth, another rival Marxist group says they’re just shills and lap-dogs of the Democrats, with specifics, but that’s not a knot I’m much inclined to try to unravel.)

    Okay, it’s one statue, one longtime (1913–2018) campus veteran’s memorial. Unlike some of the 1960s bombings elsewhere, nobody alive actually got hurt.
    Unlike, say, some of those AnteFAscist chicken-stomps etc., etc., etc.

    But…

    *
    Fear is one of the ways of stampeding people into acting violently and irrationally. […] And it is always a crescendo, and always against someone you despise.
    *

    Mobs, some of them avowedly Marxist and revolutionary, are hitting selected and despisable targets — so far *largely* inanimate — and demonstrating that our rule of law doesn’t (practically) apply to them or their direct action. It’s not too hard to foresee a “crescendo” of escalation. To actions or to people. (“It’s just like doing a statue, but noisier until the rope tightens.”)

    Or to see the kind of, yes, fear such a *possibility* might be designed to breed. (A la “hate crime.”)

    And legitimate to wonder when, and if, law enforcement becomes non-impotent.

    But what to do?
    I think Sarah’s OP covers it well. And some of the comments fill in even more.

    Our memorials, statues, monuments, graveyards, irreplaceable historical sites *cannot* protect themselves. But we can.
    Left (however inexcusably) to themselves, they’re sitting ducks for… whatever.
    We *don’t* have to be.
    Law enforcement is really telling us, *and* the mobs, it’s up to us to protect us.
    Obviously a lot of us “here” are listening already, but…

    Maybe it’s about time someone reminded — people — that these really are U.S. veterans’ memorials, before the habit of standing by watching them going down gets too comfortable and too familiar; youthful high spirits, boys will be boys, or whatever.
    Before those old habits of spitting on the babykillers resurface. Or it’s a 1960s not 1860s life-size tin soldier taking the big dive. Or, still more obscenely, a 1910s or 1940s one. Or this descends, say, to fire-bombing VFW posts, with or without people inside, passive police/sheriff’s audience also optional.
    (“You better get out of the way.” “Okay, sure.”)

    Always a crescendo… against someone you can be led to despise.

    All because Leftist Reasons.
    And because silent leges, inter armes, if you’ll forgive any slips by a non-Latin-speaker there.

    Imagine filling that quad where “Silent Sam” used to stand with real, active duty but off-duty military. Edge to edge. Briefly. And quite legally and properly.
    Standing just as silent, but with a few words each. On a card or a screen.
    This Is Not Okay.
    This time, and every other time where a veteran’s memorial bites tbe dust.

    And let the others see how far they get with their ropes and glib rhetoric that day.

    But the best outcome of fear, or its mongering, is that other four-letter word.
    Vote.
    Voting well is the best revenge.
    Let us take it while and how we can.
    RIP, Silent Sam. Let your steadfastness be our example.

  32. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

    Still not enough coffee this morning but here’s a terrible thought I’d like to share.

    There have been comments here about how comical Anti-Fa has been in their actions.

    What happens when somebody “who knows what he’s doing in terms of violence” and shares their views, starts showing them “this is how to do violence”.

    Yes, I think that they’d lose in the end, but many innocents will be killed before they are taken down. 😦

    • Or would they. Most we see tends to be Irish democracy, ignoring laws that are evil. Any group that even hints at wanting return to 1776 is immediately slandered, any identifiable spokesmen are destroyed by bureaucracy, and life made as difficult as possible. Look at any tea party org vs center for American progress.

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

        Sorry, I’m somewhat a pessimist but not that pessimistic.

        There are already signs of people willing and able to fight back.

        I’m pessimistic enough to think that we’re have rough times ahead but I think THEY WILL LOSE.

        If I thought otherwise, I’d consider suicide.

        Are you thinking suicide?

        • I’ll put it this way. I am trying to get resigned to the fact that most likely life will be at best Europe, at likely Mexico, at worst 1944 Germany or Russia. Dunno anything beyond.

            • BobtheRegisterredFool

              From about 2008 to 2016 additionally saw some personal stresses in my life. Both a series of occupational disappointments and, apparently, the emergence of a health problem that was not mental, but did a little limit me mentally.

              I more or less forecast Obama correctly. I made the decision that I would cope by learning to enjoy watching the world burn. Huge, huge mistake. Didn’t work, which was just as well, and was very much not a great strategy for maintaining my mental health.

              This came to a head in 2016, when I’d started getting a handle on the health, and was very distraught between May 3 and November 2. After that, into 2017, I started redirecting myself into a healthier place, and disentangling my heart from politics.

              So it should be a bit obvious why some of my personal problems are so easy to project here. But I have no real suggestions even if I am not wildly off base.

        • He’s been giving off that vibe for a while. And I think he needs to seek professional help, because he’s worrying hte crap out of me.

      • BobtheRegisterredFool

        Twenty in nineteen fifty would be ninety today. Which isn’t a large cohort of combat effectives. However, men can father children at forty, and someone born in nineteen seventy is fifty today.

        In the nineteen fifties, in part through force of arms, Americans largely put an end to Democrat use of white supremacist terrorism.

        There were bombing campaigns in the sixties and seventies, but they did not intimidate enough for complete compliance.

        If the Democrats were not wary of being closely tied to mass terrorism deaths, we would have already seen those after they started Black Lives Matter. Before or after the midterms, it would play into Trump’s hands, and perhaps outright give him the next election. If the Democrats are to benefit from doing that, they would probably need to assassinate Trump first. They could not hide Trump dying.

        • Yeah, well… the problem with activating the apathetic middle is that you’ve activated the apathetic middle and they are going to be pissed at YOU.

    • There have been attempts to try get more organized in their violence, including calls to learn how to use firearms (‘use the weapons of those NRA Nazis against them!’), including training camps and such. Sporadic, and documented by folks like Tim Pool/Prison Planet/etc.

    • There have been comments here about how comical Anti-Fa has been in their actions.

      I have noted in the past that Al Qaeda in general has been remarkably incompetent. An attitude of “In’shallah” will do that. That didn’t stop them from committing 9/11 because if they throw out enough stuff, sometimes they’ll get lucky.

  33. “And the fact that no one has arrested these people, making these kind of statements doesn’t seem to sink in.”

    I’ve engaged them in debate and discovered something interesting.

    They get angry with me for challenging their narrative, because they aren’t posting this nonsense to stir a debate. At first I thought it was because they were just virtue signaling to their pack, securing their invites to the next Kool Kids party.

    But it’s worse than that. They are weaving a fantasy narrative, an illusion/phantasm to validate their ideology, and were angered by my attempts to dispel their dweomer. I might as well have been taking a wrecking ball to their new house.

    Try it and see for yourself.

  34. Put another way – imagine you could create a new reality for yourself, a Heinlein world that you could (mostly) exist in day to day. And I stopped you by pouring cold water on your fantasy creation. Wouldn’t you be livid?

    • I think this is right on the nose. Because disagreement isn’t disagreement, it’s a personal attack. And normally I’d just say that was because people were investing their opinions with their self *worth*, so disagreement was an attack on their personal worth. But lately the stuff people are insisting upon is SO out in fantasy la-la land that it’s in mass hysteria categories. A “consensus fiction” as someone or other once said.

      But why create a mass hysteria that’s so horrific? Are people simply that *bored*?

      • No. It’s because the easiest way to get people to do things that they would otherwise never do is to convince them that if they don’t do those things they will die.

        • BobtheRegisterredFool

          And the socialist religion already uses word rituals in an attempt to alter reality.

          As policy, the current approach doesn’t really make sense. Trump being liberal, if they’d stuck to a sedate approach comparable to what was deployed against 43, then something akin to the Overton window would have been been in effect, and when they put someone in after Trump, they wouldn’t have lost that much ground.

          Perhaps they’ve cold bloodedly calculated that now was the time to get the civil war and massacres going. If so, than on purely procedural grounds I’m sure they’ve miscalculated. I think correctly predicting the right time for such in these circumstances might be as unlikely as finding a closed form general solution to Navier-Stokes by drawing mathematical symbols from a hat.

          Goin’ flippin’ insane from a Hillary loss or goin’ flippin’ insane from a religious crisis are also plausible explanations.