Strange Days

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I’m not a stranger to political violence.  And I have no interest in it.

Sometimes I feel like I must be, for sure that my life is a novel, and a very well foreshadowed one at that.

Black September and the Munich massacre which marred the first time I was aware of the Olympic games (which provided something to watch on TV through the first dreary summer when my brother went away with friends and I was left to my own devices for amusement) foreshadowed September Eleven.  And I’m hoping very hard that my youth of turning a corner and finding yourself in the middle of a melee, of bomb threats and attacks on insufficiently supportive establishments, of riots and party headquarters burning is not a foreshadowing for the next few years.  Because I’m old, I’m tired, and I can’t be having with that.

Yeah, Maxine Waters is not only crazier than a shithouse rat, she’s also at best reality-adjacent.  Anyone who has had the dubious pleasure of listening to her questioning someone or expounding on something knows that the world inside her head has only a casual resemblance to the real one.  And that she’s got parallel and irrational images of how the world works, which make no sense to anyone with even a modicum of attachment to oh, physics, history or psychology.

But then… but then there are the people who elected her.  And the people who seem to be doing their best to follow her directive to harass and attack anyone who is in the administration or even voted for it and to attack ICE agents.

There have been a bunch of unreported incidents by ANTIFA which is named in the best tradition of the Deutsche Demokratische Republik (German Democratic Republic: three words, three lies, as it was more Soviet than anything, democracy meant that everyone voted in unison for the approved party, and it was not a republic but a dictatorship.) At least the supposedly anti-fascist Antifa only has two words to lie with.  But that a group of street thugs who beat up everyone who agrees with them and who block access to legitimate businesses and try to keep speakers from the public that they don’t want the public to hear can call themselves ANTI fascist with a straight face is one of the great ironies of our time.  I’m waiting for them to start wearing brown shirts and burning books, while still screaming the Nazis are those innocent people they beat up.  Then they will have gone their length.

And everyone is hardening their defenses.  Everyone.  Yes, even minor players.

So what gives?  What are they doing?  And more importantly, what DO they think they’re doing.

What we’re seeing is the run up to World War One, this time in one society.

We’ve had almost 100 years of (uneasy, true) peace, while the sides drifted further and further apart.  As in the run up to WWI there was a surface narrative of peace and harmony.  In the same way that German youth and young Englishmen visited each other’s countries on vacation, and read the same books, for the last 70 years of our uneasy cold civil war, there was a surface peace and understanding.

The problem is that it was never true.  In the same way that behind the scenes England was growing a greater and more cohesive empire and freezing out Germany, the left had taken all the means of mass communication.  What a friend calls the Mass-communication-entertainment industrial complex was taken, and taken early and slowly ratcheted left until the “consensus reality” was left.

Those of us who disagreed; those of us with a different vision of the world and different thoughts on history (or, hell, science, or psychology, or … anything) were frozen out.  We didn’t exist.  What “everyone knew” was left.  And most of us were so isolated, we might not believe the left in our field of expertise, but would accept the consensus reality in other things.

But because there was no check on it, it was all the left’s version all the way, and because the left’s way of interpreting things is a complete internally consistent (used to be) hermetically sealed system that allows no dissenting though in (which is why it fills mass graves every time) their complete dominance of every narrative medium from movies to paintings, to school books, education, books written for entertainment and even songs, left them free to tilt ever more and more away from reality.

This is the only state of affairs that allowed party conversation and polite social chatter about what a moron Ronald Reagan was even while he was, in action, upending every shibboleth of the left previously accepted world wide: things like controlled prices and salaries, the primacy of unions, etc.

If Europe had been half awake and not listened to our journalists (a wholly-owned subsidiary of the left) but had instead looked at the economy taking off, or the Soviet Union folding like a cheap suit, they would be in much better shape now than they are.  But they didn’t because the disease was more advanced there, and the tradition of listening to credentialed people is much stronger there. Still and all even here the industrial narrative complex kept the idea that Reagan’s economy was a result of Carter’s actions (a narrative so laughable it could only be maintained by an all prevalent and massive top-down media) green enough that Obama was elected.

But by the time of Obama, they couldn’t burnish the narrative enough to make him seem like a great president.  Nor could they sell us into Summer of Recovery xn even though they are still trying. They kept just enough cred, and burned it all — and all the fraud apparatus too — to elect Obama a second time.  Which was stupid, because it only increased people’s disgust. Because the world had changed.

Like the pre-WWI generals locked in their war rooms and referencing the same old books, they planned the upcoming victory, unaware that technology and the world were making it impossible.

While the left not only filled every nook and cranny of twentieth century “narrative industries” to the point the only way a conservative could work in one of those was under deep, deep cover, the engineers made the internet.

The left didn’t even know it really had any serious opposition left.  You can’t blame them too much. Even those of us who were very opposed and very disgusted kept it polite in public and treated them as retarded children who couldn’t take opposition.

Would it have made any difference if we’d talked back, say 30 years ago?

I doubt it.

You see, leftism is as much as anything else a religion.  The crazy Marx with his vision of the future created an entire narrative from paradise (pre-capitalism, i.e. it never existed, guys, not even as apes.  Apes, as we now know, trade) through fall into capitalism to eventual paradise again, where the New Man (what used to be called the Soviet Man) will be so altruistic and communally oriented that a government isn’t needed.  (Like the peace of Islam, there’s only one way to obtain that, and no.  Just no.  Worldwide species extinction is as fantastical as the idea of that primordial paradise.  Humans are humans, and someone will survive.  I’m just not interested in letting them send us back ten thousand years.)

You hear it in the talk of the left — particularly the rather intellectually inbred fourth generation, who ate the pap the older people fed them and never had an original thought in their lives — stuff like calling us “reactionaries” (when they’re the ones in power, and have been for a long time, and the ones knee-jerk reacting) and talking about “the future” as belonging utterly to them, and the arrow of history, as though history were the chart in their book, with an arrow beneath.

Their faith doesn’t align particularly well with reality.  For instance there’s the whole thing of them talking about us — always — as though we were the ones in power, when they have all the gatekeeping positions and all the contacts.

This dissonance has required them to make up invisible monsters that give us all the power: Patriarchy (a laughable idiocy in America and weak everywhere in the west.  While they refuse to see it in the Middle East and Latin America where it actually exists in spades.) Micro aggressions.  White privilege (which is so strong that it gives an edge to concentration camp survivors.)

All the while they refuse to admit the real privilege: Leftist privilege.  The fastest way to rise in the narrative fields is to be lefter-than-thou.  Because they’re in charge and that’s how the system is setup, so they can stay in charge.

Unfortunately this has created their isolation.  You see, every song, every movie, ever history book, every fictional book, assures them they’ll win.  They know that “the people united shall never be defeated.”  They also know that though held back by patriarchy, racism, sexism and all the micro aggressions, the people really are with them.  HAVE TO BE, because they’re ideology of the future, and history’s arrow points to their paradise.  Every book, movie, etc. says so either subtly or openly.  So they KNOW.  Everybody knows.

Only lately they’ve been suffering injuries to their world view.  It started with Trump’s election.  Or rather it didn’t, but that was the one strong enough to hit them in the face.  The rest hadn’t made it past the faith.

They’ve tried to deny it and invalidate it by every means possible.  The crazy Russia thing is more an attempt to restore their certainty and peace of mind than anything else.

But reality keeps hitting them in the face.  The #metoo thing designed to get Trump (who they’re still sure is some sort of uber-rapist, despite all evidence to the contrary.  Sure, a philanderer but a much cleaner one than Clinton and certainly consensual.  However awkward, his definition of hypergamy in females is right.  Turns out if you’re rich enough, a large number of women will really let you grab them by anything.) ended up hitting a lot of their own icons and then went out of control showing the vapid idiocy of current feminists.

They bring out the whole made up (in the sense the worst stuff happened under Obama) outrage over “children in cages” and the narrative doesn’t take.  Not amid the people who don’t do social media.  (It might in fact have hardened them against the left.)  They tried the Russia thing, but it’s coming apart in their hands. They lift every minor victory up as transformative.  They keep waiting for the mass arrests and concentration camps to show that Trump is just like Hitler, while instead the great goof galumphs around getting the economy to actually recover and thereby exposing all of Obama’s venal incompetence for the world to see.  And he’s doing better in foreign relations than the holy doctrine of apologizing to them little brownz people which should have worked, it should.

They’re going insane.  It’s not just their dominance (and it is that too.  All the celebrities went all in for Hillary and they still failed.)  It’s their world view, their sanity, their certainties about the world they live in.  They’re sure there’s some clever and dirty trick being pulled that makes their stuff not work and the “stupid” non Marxist stuff work.  There has to be.  Otherwise they’d be wrong.

It is into this soil that crazy Maxine (I first typed it Marxine) Water’s exortation to violence has fallen.

And it’s taking hold, because well… violence is the obvious response to the unbearable internal pressures.  Win or lose, a real fight is something they can grasp.  And then, you know, all their training and entertainment and the smartest people on their side KNOW they’ll win easily.

So Occupy Wall Street failed.  Their attempt to “start the seed” to show the “oppressed” it was time to rise up didn’t make it.  It must have been that they weren’t loud enough.  So now they have the antifa, to show the oppressed that they can break heads, and it’s the time for revolution.

Among my crazier left contacts — and there’s a lot of them.  I work in science fiction — “revolution” has become a more popular word than ever since the sixties.

They know they can win.  They have all the plans. They want this war to start already.

And our side?  Oh, heavens.  How many of us have daydreamed about a second American Revolution? The saner of us confined it to our dreams and fiction, but there’s a reason The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is my favorite Heinlein, and I’m aware of it.

Now it looks like the two sides have had enough of talking and that “the blood on the streets” will be impossible to avoid.

Will our side win?  Possibly.  Even likely, given that we have most veterans with us.  Will it be a good thing?

At this point the world of Starship Troopers is a best case scenario after the confrontation.  And it wasn’t … precisely… a free world.  Stable sure, but not the same way we’ve enjoyed it the last hundred years or so.

The worst case scenario looks like all those things that the left keeps accusing us of being:a world in which what you can do, think and be is determined by your circumstances at birth.  A world in which the eccentric, the Odd, the creative is very hemmed in.  A world none of us wants.

And possibly the most likely one, since the people who will get at the head of the movement have a good chance of being types attracted to absolute power, and also, frankly, not only they but us (those who survive) will emerge on the other side of this will be — justifiably — suspicious of the left and every cause and group they championed and sanctified.  And we’ll be angry.  Really angry.  Blinding fury doesn’t begin to describe it.

In this moment of silence, before we all go over the trench and the shooting starts, there’s time to stop.  My inner sensors tell me the conflagration is somewhere between two months and a year away (it’s unlikely to happen in winter.  But it could surprise me.  My guess is if their blue wave fizzles, they’ll go truly, bizarrely insane.)

There’s still time to turn back, to re-examine assumptions, to realize that maybe they don’t have the mass of the people with them, and that this will end badly for everyone, but particularly for them.

But of course, I can’t reach them, and the ones who do skim this blog only do it till offended.

So, here we are.  It could go off any minute.  Do we have any real coffee left, not that chicory stuff?  And does anyone want a last cigarette?

I can hear the cannons in the distance.

 

 

501 responses to “Strange Days

  1. BobtheRegisterredFool

    Fools, drunks, children, and the United States of America.

    If the battle isn’t fully joined, if every last reserve isn’t committed, we may yet kick the can a few years down the line. Circumstances may change by then.

    It’s not even certain that the next government of Mexico will end in mass graves. Pray for the people of Mexico.

    • Yeah. I’m hoping for that G-d thumb on the scales.

      • Maybe the last Presidential election was exactly that. I was convinced we were near the end.

        • I keep saying; the last election was one Party Establishment rejecting an (branded. Not necessarily actual) ‘outsider’, and the other accepting him as the nominee. In addition to the Right-Left divide int his country, we are seeing an Establishment-Grass Roots divide. The Grass Roots Left is beginning to notice that electing Establishment politicians doesn’t get them anywhere useful. Now, I could wish their reaction wasn’t to jump Left to a nasty Socialist fraud like Bernie Sanders, but they seem to be rejecting the Establishment Left.

          Similarly, the grass roots Right is sick to the teeth of electing candidates who should like Conservatives on the electoral stage and turn into One More Republican Goof in Washington. So they elected Trump; who actually seems to be inclined to meet his commitments.

          And isn’t THAT making the Establishment Left go nuts.

          I think at least half the incitement we are seeing is a desperate attempt by the Establishment Left to keep their rank and file distracted. Because if they DON’T distract them, the voters are likely to remember that Trump’s election came about it large part because of a cascade of Establishment Left blunders.

          The Establishment Left is hoping to turn the grass roots Left on US, because they fear that the grass roots Left will turn on THEM.

          • There are a whole lot on the establishment Right being driven just as nuts as those on the Left. I’m guessing those are the ones that can put on a good enough stage show during election that the people electing them won’t really pay all that much attention the rest of the time.

            I’m not sure that the establishment Left actually has the power to keep their increasingly insane base distracted. They seem to be taking a life of their own and will inflict as much damage on each other as they do to the rest of us.

            • I agree with you abo7t the Establishment left and their attempts to distract their base. That’s what is so potentially entertaining; right now they are threatening to go all Fort Sumpter on us, but if the mid-terms and 2020 elections go the way I think they might, it ain’t gonna matter.

          • The Establishment Left is hoping to turn the grass roots Left on US, because they fear that the grass roots Left will turn on THEM.

            Some of that is already happening– see the New York election from last night where the young socialist knocked out the establishment ‘old white male’ incumbent democrat.

          • we are seeing an Establishment-Grass Roots divide
            Well, really what we’re seeing is a Freedmen revolt against the Aristocracy (or Technocracy, if you prefer – it’s not so much about family ties as about adequate virtue-signaling). And the Serfs are actively aiding the Aristocracy – because, for some bizarre reason they can’t see the Aristocrat (who claims to be a Serf, just like them – ha!) badly palming the pea before the cups start moving about.

            • That’s what I can’t understand. They are so eager to follow all these people that have mysteriously made millions of dollars in public service. How can you not notice the stench of corruption?

              • Because they don’t see anything wrong with corruption, at least as long as it doesn’t affect them directly. They see power as something to be exploited; of *course* their favored politicians make and take bribes, who wouldn’t? You’d be a fool not to.

                That’s the ghetto/Hispanic/Democrat mindset; the dominant one, in areas with high number of immigrants, “the poor”, and Democrats…

      • I keep on thinking about one particular part in the Bible, where God promises Abraham, “I will make your descendants a great nation, and anyone who blesses you I will bless.” (My paraphrase from memory). And thinking that America has been Israel’s staunchest ally in the past century or so.

        It’s not an argument that would convince anyone who doesn’t already believe in God and in the reliability of the Bible, so I don’t advance it much in political debates. But I can’t get the idea out of my head that the reason God seems to put his thumb on the scales every so often, protecting the USA from our own folly, is because we’ve been pretty faithful so far in protecting Israel.

        • Well, technically, the country’s leap to power arguably started with World War 2 and the Korean War. And we didn’t become Israel’s good friend and ally until after the Suez Crisis in the ’50s.

          I’m not saying that God doesn’t look after those who look after His chosen people. But I also believe that there’s more to it than that.

          • Word order matters. There’s a “chiasmus” (repetition/complement in reverse order) in the original: ואברכה מברכיך ומקללך אאר “I will bless them that bless thee, and him that curseth thee will I curse”. There’s a midrash, a Rabbinic close reading, that infers from this that the reward blessing might sometimes precede the action, if only (suggests the midrash) because one who is himself well-off has higher standards for the blessings he might bestow on others.

        • That’s why Israel’s staunchest supporters — beating out the Jews — are the fundamentalists.

          Yes, there is a reason why it’s the Republican party that more strongly supports Israel.

      • Every time I hear the “God is on our side” claim, I can’t help but think of the scene in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly when Eli Wallach and Clint Eastwood come upon the cavalry in the distance and they are covered in dust and look like Confederates, and Wallach screams “God is on our side because he hates the Yankees too”, while Clint looks at them and goes “God is not on our side because he he also hates idiots” as the Union officer smacks the dust off his uniform revealing dark blue underneath.

        • Lincoln once observed that he did not hope that God was on their side, but that they were on God’s.

          • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

            Amen

          • Lincoln had actually read the Bible, including the book of Joshua. Mary, I know you’re familiar with the story I’m referring to, but for anyone else who may read this comment and is less familiar with the Bible, I’ll explain. Early on in Joshua’s military career, when he’s about to face his first real battle (conquering the fortified city of Jericho without any real siege weapons), he comes across a man with a drawn sword. He asks the man, “Are you on our side or our enemies’ side?” and the man says, “Neither. I’m the commander of the army of God.” Meaning, “God is not on your side; rather, it’s your job to be on His side.”

        • Every time I hear “God is on our side” I think of a line from CAESAR AND CLEOPATRA: “The Gods are not always good to their poor relations”

  2. Considers possibilities. Goes to water the garden. Hopes to heck everything blows up, if if must, before her eldest son turns eighteen.

    • Hope gardens don’t become necessary. Have 35 year old nephew living in England. My husband has a nephew who’s around 20. Really don’t want a war. But there are things that are worse than war.

      • But there are things that are worse than war.
        Amen to that.

        • As John Adams wrote to Abigail from Paris in 1780:
          I must study Politicks and War that my sons may have liberty to study Mathematicks and Philosophy. My sons ought to study Mathematicks and Philosophy, Geography, natural History, Naval Architecture, navigation, Commerce and Agriculture, in order to give their Children a right to study Painting, Poetry, Musick, Architecture, Statuary, Tapestry and Porcelaine.”

      • I also hope that gardens don’t become the difference between life and death. But they’re the difference between good food and mediocre food in our income bracket, and I, at least, prefer a taste difference between my strawberries and tomatoes!

  3. I look at what’s going on, and… it’s just hard to believe it. How can anybody be that clueless of the laws of physics and the innate human response to being constantly stepped on?

    All I can think is that the vast majority of these idiots were never on the losing side in high school. And then decided that they’d never suffer anything worse than HS… where they were, if not on top, at least high enough in the hangers-on to be insulated from the worst violence.

    Because those of us who’ve been mugged by reality tend to consider worst-case-scenario options, and then make the choices and acquire the skills needed to avoid said worst cases. Including – oh, look – knowing when to be polite and civil to the madman until we’ve got an exit strategy. Which may involve going through them….

    Or as Will Rogers deftly put it, “Diplomacy is the art of going, ‘Nice doggie!’ until you can find a rock.”

    • “Diplomacy: maintenance of a state of tension short of actual conflict.”

      – Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne, per Keith Laumer

    • It doesn’t count as being stepped on if you’re white and male, no matter how base your upbringing or limited your prospects.

      It’s not “punching” if you’re punching UP.

      But yes, the amount of willful blindness to humans as a whole that is involved in this dynamic where no one ought to object to overt discrimination or prejudice if they are part of a “privileged” group, again no matter how many “neurodiverse” hit points they’re dealt or their socioeconomic status, physical health, or lack of opportunities, just beggars the imagination.

      In fact, if you’re poor and lack opportunity and education they’ll double down. I heard a good one yesterday and had to laugh out loud, if I can remember it… um… southern redneck alligator wrestling nazis… it was outright precious. It fits right in there with all the digs about trailer parks. They hate them some privileged white people but hate the unprivileged with fiery hatred.

      And not even a moment of self-reflection over it.

      • There’s a pattern to the leftist mindset:

        Socialists don’t love the poor; they just hate the rich.
        Feminists don’t love women; they just hate men.
        Animal rightists don’t love animals; they just hate people.
        Communists don’t love the proles; they just hate competence.
        Egalitarians don’t love brown people; they just hate whites.

        Fill in your own juxtapositions; everyone can play! For bonus points, find pairs that can replace “hate” with “envy”.

      • Just think what vista that moment of self-reflection would open. . . .

        I have literally been told by a leftist that being “educated and empathetic” means “agreeing with this leftist.”

    • I think an alternate explanation is the echo chamber. They live in areas where everyone they know is on the left, and probably strongly on the left. They dominate social media, because most of middle-America is getting on with day to day life instead of obsessively tweeting. So they think that the right is a small sliver of America, instead of roughly half.

      I think this is why they are so attached to the Russian-interference/collusion narrative. if 90% of the country are Clinton supporters, and she lost, then clearly it had to be the fault of shenanigans and outside interference and vote hacking instead of the fact that people either liked Trump or thought Clinton was the more odious choice of the two.

      They simply are so insulated in those large leftist bastion cities that they are unaware that most of the rest of us exist.

      • A while ago, I mentioned the map someone did of which counties went which way in 2016, which showed an archipelago of blue versus a continental mass of red. I mentioned that to one of the leftist I follow on livejournal, and he said that was misleading because nobody lived in those huge red areas. *Nobody* lived there? Even going by the popular vote, approximately half of the country lives there! But all those people were “nobody” to him. . . .

        • And even worse, in a lot of those blue counties, like Alachua County, FL, a further look into actual voter demographics would show a ‘Capital’ district surrounded by ‘rural’ districts and sections that voted opposite of the more populous capital district.

          This is the same county where it is a known thing that during a presidential election, the Republican headquarters will be broken into and have its windows smashed. Every election since pretty much 1988, and, quelle surprise, no one has ever been found guilty…

          • It doesn’t take *that* much effort to ask for volunteers with baseball bats and cameras to stay overnight for security. Or to put up CCTV systems when they got cheap enough.

            If they had some cojones, they’d have people with camcorders and shotguns…

            • Problem being, the local Sheriff or PD would and will selectively enforce. Guess who gets enforced against the most?

              We recently had a person pulled out of a car for non-compliance. The Sheriff apologized. Even though the car had expired plates, the driver refused to get off his phone and get out of the car, and he was reaching around in the car… And he was driving without a license. But the Deputies were wrong? I hate this place some days (but like so many in California, I am stuck here.)

              • That’s why you have multiple witnesses and video. And what campaign doesn’t have lawyers hanging around?

                And it’s a *campaign*, “any press it better than no press.”

            • If insurance covers it, they probably figure it’s simply not worth the risk that the volunteers will get killed.

        • I’d say both you and the leftist are a bit off. Population density in the vast swath of red do tend to be lower than in the isles of blue, but they do add up to a lot of people in total – but probably only a good chunk of the Republican base. Look at one the maps that shows the vote on a scale between red and blue, and you’ll come to realize that a huge chunk of the Republican base is to be found in the purple areas, the suburbs and mid-to-large cities. And a few from the large cities, as well – consider that even if only one in five people in NYC is a Republican, that’s still something like 1.75 million Republicans*.

          * I’m ignoring voting age and residency status here.

          • There were no purple areas on this map. Every county went either for Trump or for Clinton and was colored either blue or red.

            • Showing voting trend by County is too broad. Needs to be shown by voting precinct. A lot more red in that blue.

            • Not on that map. But on a percentage of vote by county map, search as “purple America” map. Sorry I could not get the link to copy.
              I fear that the progs really will be that stupid, especially if a Constitutional conservative is confirmed to the Supreme Court in place of Kennedy, and they pull off a defeat in the Midterms. As I hope they will.
              JPDev

        • This gives me reason to be hopeful. Basically, he points out that no matter who starts Civil War II: Electric Boogaloo (it’ll be the Democrats), the Democrats will lose. Assuming the sides are roughly evenly matched (the Democrats may have the numbers but they don’t have the guns) the Democrats are concentrated in a handful of urban areas that are trivial to isolate and besiege. The Republicans, on the other hand, are spread across a vast area that can and will swallow entire divisions whole.

          • The Democrats may lose, but the right won’t necessarily win. I think Larry Correia’s post on the topic put it best. If the country gets into a shooting civil war, then we *ALL* lose. It’s just that some of us might not lose as badly as others.

            • That’s my point though, the Democrats lack the power to push us into a shooting war. At most they can cause some severe riots in many cities, but even then most of the cities will be more or less untouched.

              • Don’t underestimate them. Mixed in with the mostly harmless betas are some true psychopaths who see this as a chance to reap the violence and bloodshed they want to see.

                • I’m not saying that there won’t be violence, just that the violence won’t be systemic. A relative handful of psychopaths are only going to be able to do so much damage before they run into someone capable of defeating them, especially if the psychopaths are as isolated as the case here.

                  • How many psychopaths did it take to bring down the governments of Russia, Italy, Germany, and Cambodia?

                    All they have to do is find the right fracture lines at the right time and *push.*

                    • My point is that American society isn’t fractured like that. It isn’t even as fractured today like it was in 1860. Mussolini took over a government that was around 50 years old. Hitler was the first chancellor after WWI to make it to 30 months in power. Lenin toppled a government that was all of 6 months old.

                      Yes, there’s a lot of sturm und drang online, but that’s largely due to a small group of very loud people on both sides. I’d be surprised if they totaled 1 million altogether. Most people in the country just don’t care about politics outside the six weeks leading up to Presidential elections. They may have a side and mouth the slogans of that side, but they aren’t going to be manning or storming any barricades in the name of that side. The fractures we see in American society are just surface defects, pushing on them isn’t going to do much.

                • Not even two years ago the gestalt was that the enforcer-intel alliance was bright red. That fib and cia were on the right. That has been shown to be absolutely false. We have army officers politicking for communism in uniform. Five people were just jury nullified from assault charges that they committed against someone being treated by fire/ems because the victim was a trump supporter. Police agencies stand down when riots break out if the non left are in the losing side.

                  If not a majority, a sizeable percentage of the people we give the power of life and death to would support a governmental genocide of us subhumans. As in be the trigger pullers. We cant assume anything anymore. It is nowhere near a guarantee of even surviving.

                  • no, that particular officer is no longer in the Army.

                    • He was less than honorably discharged, yes (although I remember pessimism on TAH as to whether it would remain so.) But the question is what percentage is there that are not as blatant. The lesson taken from these happenings isn’t not to do that but not to get caught.

                    • As far as the Navy goes, they tried to get rid of the guys who didn’t go through college from the officer groups…and totally ignored the NCOs, and that even college-route military officers are still, um, sailors. Most of the time.

                      Anybody who mistakes my little brother for a liberal, just because he went to college, is going to be gravely surprised. He won’t SAY anything, that’d be rude, but illegal orders aint’ flying.

                  • The Army twit has been removed, other than honorable– and the teacher who likely radicalized him is out of a job, and being investigated.

                    A lot of the seeming change otherwise is an attempt at gut-and-wear-the-skin respect seeking.

                    • There are troubling things happening in the Army schools (and I’m not just referring to West Point). On the face of it, those things aren’t tied to left vs right politics. They’re things like refusals to fail soldiers, and similar items. But the fact that these things are happening at all in a job that gets people killed if soldiers can’t meet the standards is a clear red flag warning that there is a rot eating away at the military.

                      And with that in mind, it’s probably quite dangerous to make assumptions about which side of the political argument a given military officer will stand on if a civil war breaks out. I’m not saying that all officers, or even a majority of them, are affected. But it’s likely enough that we shouldn’t assume.

                      Plus, there’s the cadet. People (note the plural) had to know. And West Point is one of the schools that troubling stories have been emerging from.

                    • Meaning no disrespect to the Army, but of course troubling stories would come out of the Army– they have a nasty habit of treating their enlisted like borrowed goods.

                      That’s going to select for officers who find such a notion appealing….

                    • The issues that I’m referring to aren’t due to officers abusing the enlisted. Quite the contrary, they’re the opposite. For instance, there are reports of the leadership of the training schools taking a “no one fails the physical portions” attitude toward soldiers at those schools. My nephew recently enlisted (he reported to boot camp less than a year ago). When I asked about it, he told me a couple of stories about the post-boot camp schools that seemed to bear out what I’ve been hearing elsewhere.

                    • Two sides of the same coin– the borrowed-goods folks have to have a steady supply of people they can kick out on a whim. Folks who are not fit to be there fit the bill nicely.

      • That, and ultimately their multiculturalism is very, very shallow. I was entertaining myself reading comments about Otoyomegatari and how many of them were freaking the fuck out about a 20 year old woman in an arranged marriage to a 12 year old – The 12 year old is considered a man culturally, and of marrying age, and expected to behave and comport himself as an adult. A number of the freakout comments were willfully ignoring the story’s cultural and time setting and constantly applying 21st century standards to the past.

        Which as any real historian will tell you, is incredibly stupid.

        • What do you expect of people who never really grasp that people really can think differently from them?

          • Not very much admittedly, but one sometimes makes very small allowances for the young and ignorant.

            • The problem comes when the young and/or ignorant insist that they’re intelligent and capable.

              • Yeah. I am more cynical about it, honestly, since some years of experience have shown that being kind is seen by the assholes as weaknesses to be exploited.

                When we first encountered Clamps in Jordan Bassior’s blog, from the way Clamps wrote and sounded he came off as a teenaged girl, perhaps 14 years of age, intelligent but very naive and idealistic. Such a portrayal resulted in the rest of the participants in the various discussions giving some leeway and patience, which vanished as soon as it was discovered by someone in the group that the person behind the girly persona was in fact a man in his mid twenties at the time, with a very sordid reputation. She was the one who ultimately revealed his real name. Generally the misportrayal was found disturbing (as most folks tend to correct mistaken assumptions per personal pronouns; Clamps did not and initially denied the identification of male/older) but shrugged aside until he became visibly abusive, especially towards the known women in the discussions. Since then its been observed as a predator behaviour, notable in a number of so called white knights and male feminists.

        • Part of the story is that it IS unusual and difficult, and for that very reason dramatic. But the drama comes from Amir’s wanting to play her role as a wife, and indeed being eager to (and in some scenes from Karluk’s wanting to play his as a husband); that’s established on the very first page where A sees K for the first time.

          I haven’t run into “but he’s still a child!” so much as “but it’s an arranged marriage!” But either way it seems like a failure of imagination.

          • The understanding of the difficulties the characters face given the era and cultures portrayed are why the story is very enjoyable. Mori is not shy about being politically incorrect in her storytelling; in a way that would have been completely understandable merely 25 years ago – she expected her readerbase to not be idiots.** The comments I see in scanlations* over the current arc are grumbling about racism now.

            * I buy the books when they become available in English.

            **Given that Otoyomegatari is published in a manga serial magazine aimed specifically at an age bracket of 20+, this is not an unreasonable assumption. Fellows, I think it’s called, but I could be wrong on that score. Nevertheless, her work is meant for mature, educated readers who are able to accept a well researched historical romance that is unlikely to have much, if any, 21st century sensibilities in its content.

            • Does Japan have the same forces for “political correctness” that plague the United States?

              • Not quite the same way, though there are different expectations of ‘political correctness’ since Japan has fairly strict cultural and social rules on behaviour and speech; and the publishing industry is rather different as well, given the very wide variety of genres and subgenres that flourish in just their manga/ light novel industries alone. (There is a gorgeously drawn manga called ‘The Walking Man’, and you follow a middle-aged salaryman as he walks, and see the everyday as quietly interesting and adventurous through his eyes. To people used to Western comics and storytelling, ‘nothing is happening, why are we reading about an older boring man suddenly noticing a gap between two buildings and him suddenly wanting to see if he can squeeze between them?’ Part of the wonder is lost without the understanding that this salaryman is stepping a little bit outside societal norms in innocent and ultimately harmless ways, and thus regains the appreciation and wonder of little everyday things that are generally taken for granted, no longer regarded as special. ‘Slice of life’ genre is very popular there, and it overlaps with historicals like Otoyomegatari, any number of sweet romantic shoujo manga like Hibi Chouchou or Domestic Girlfriend, and then you get the randomness of Lucky Star.
                On the far side of different, you get the very violent yet still very immersive stories, like set in Viking era Vinland Saga or the classically acclaimed Lone Wolf and Cub,(physical and sexual violence abounds, as does slavery and very different cultural norms); the fantasy Goblin Slayer (which had been criticized heavily for its graphic portrayal of rapes and massarcres by the goblins, and the main hero’s killing of goblins; those criticisms ignore that this is essentially the core backdrop of what makes the hero very different from other adventurers in the guild, namely he is probably one of the few in the setting that takes the goblin threat seriously, as opposed to most of the others, who would rather go for more profitable bounties. He even flatly tells someone trying to recruit him that while it may be true that the dark gods are returning and an extinction war may be near, ‘there will still be villages that are threatened by goblins as well’ and he will not ignore that threat just because someone else thinks he is wasting his time.) Battle Angel Alita is still popular despite its graphic violence and extremely terrifying sci-fi dystopian setting, and I think even has new stories out. Then you get what would be considered unpublishable in the West (based off ‘who would read that?!’), like the cooking manga genre; which include popular examples such as Shokugeki no Soma and it’s ‘orgasmically delicious food’; Nobunaga no Chef, where a chef from modern day Japan is plunked into the Warring States era of Japan and has to survive while trying not to alter historical events; Yumeiro Patisserie (a cooking school manga with sweets fairies) or Addicted to Curry, which is both slice of life and cooking, with a focus on curry in all its forms. (There are lots of sports manga as well, which cater to both male or female interests, that determine how the story is told, like Prince of Tennis); and genres aimed at homosexual storylines; yuri (‘lily’; or lesbian stories) and yaoi or boys love stories (male/male stories); some are romance (Girlfriends is out in English, there is maybe one sex scene – it is very low key- in the entire manga); there are others such as Citrus; then you have The fantasy yaoi manga Descendants of the Darkness, which is finally off it’s hiatus.

                So given those very few examples I would say Japan does not have the same issues, but there have been some attempts at censoring in manners similar to Western political correctness (Dead or Alive’s volleyball spinoff has lots of backlash from Western feminists who scream about the skimpy outfits on women and bouncing boobs but ignore the male characters, for example) the site Sankaku Complex had some other examples from Japan ( like that mayor? Or governor who banned certain types of ‘sexually explicit’ fiction – and then it turned out he had written such fiction in novel format in the past, and ‘strangely’ his own fiction was exempt from the bans…
                Japan has very different issues, according to folks living there. Relationships (as in, there seems to be a disinterest in having romantic ones and an increase in “herbivorous men”) family expectations (marriage and having children, preferably marriage with another Japanese) and the dropping population.

    • There is no bottom to stupidity or cluelessness.

      • “Only two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And I’m not sure about the universe.” – Apocryphally attributed to Einstein.

        • THANK you for saying “apocyphally attributed”. I’ve gotten very tired of people passing on quotes with no skepticism about whether the person being allegedly quoted actually said that, so it’s very nice to see someone else being careful with the truth.

  4. The thing is, most people pretty much just want tomorrow to look like today. Most Americans, Democrat and Republican alike, are fairly okay with how their life is going. Sure, they may want a bigger house or more money or whatever. But we don’t get to hear about this, because the media sucks so bad. They get more play by amplifying the noises of nuts and kooks, thus making things look far worse than they actually are.
    Like with the radical revolutionary leftism of the 60’s, this too will fizzle out.

    • There is the walk away movement aimed at the average democrat: Those who are disgusted by these lefter than thou idiots are encouraged to walk away from the democrat party.

    • Maybe it will fizzle out. But the revolutionary leftism of the 60’s was “we’re bound to win.” This one, now? It’s desperation. I hope you’re right, but it’s not what my gut is saying.

      • People may bitch and moan and gripe, but you don’t get actual revolutions until people are actually starving. As long as obesity is America’s biggest health problem, the noise will continue to be noise.

        Secondly, there’s a fair bit of “desperation” that is the age old story of the callowness of youth coming up against reality. Again, they may bitch and moan, but they’re probably going to go along with the fact that they’re not all that bad off.

        Finally, don’t forget that the media is lying and deceiving as hard as they possibly can, to make it look like the hard Left is actually more popular than they actually are. Turn off the media, and one will find that America is still pretty much the same that it has always been. Will we get some Leftist raging and rioting in Leftist run areas? Sure. Will one or two Leftist kooks try something? Absolutely. But are we going to see an honest-to-goodness civil war break out? Nope.

        • Oh, like hell you don’t get revolutions when people aren’t starving. Tell it to someone else, friend. Portuguese NEVER starved.
          Also you’re forgetting “existential view threatened.” We’re WEALTHY enough that’s a big deal.

          • But can one say that Portugal really had an established governing system? Unstable governments tend to be unstable, and get replaced on a regular basis.
            And with the revolution, did things in Portugal really change all that much?

            • the national socialist government was d*mn stable, yes.
              Look, no revolution EVER happens when people are starving, the French revolution propaganda notwithstanding. They happen when things get BETTER.
              And starving is relative.

              • Well, there was the Russian revolution in 1917, and the German revolution in 1918. The strikes and riots that led to the overthrow of the Tsar was hunger related, and much of the unrest that led to the overthrow of the Kaiser was related to the privation brought on by the WWI blockade.

                The big thing is the erosion of the almost inertial “trust” in the way things are always done by a government brought by privation- and the longer that government has been functioning, the more inertia it has. It takes a lot to stop that inertia, and cause that sort of change.
                Governments that are less established have less inertia- witness the coup of the month club seen in some African and South American nations… though one can make the point that a Junta or a coup is just their established institutional way of changing governments.

                • Any hunger was a sign that the government had already failed, so not a whole lot of revolutionizing would be required…

            • I’m late to the party. Revolts generally gain traction when conditions improve for the people demanding it, but not as fast as they want it. If conditions are getting worse, people leave instead.

              • Or in this case, when things for women and and minorities and gays and trans and everyone else is so much incredibly better than it’s ever been ever in the history of History and we’re supposed to believe that everyone lives in a state of the Worst Oppression Ever because some thing isn’t perfect.

                Even when they have to make up the concept of micro-agressions and move goal posts to “anything less than celebration is wanting me dead”.

              • Revolts generally gain traction when conditions improve for the people demanding it, but not as fast as they want it.

                Which is approximately what’s happening with the Ctrl-Left: they’ve been racking up social victory after legal victory—and along came Trump. (♫ Tall, orange, Tru-u-ump… ♫)

          • The generational dynamics people say that revolution didn’t happen because the WW-II generation was still in power. They weren’t going to let things spiral out of control. (The ’60s were a Generational Awakening era, sayeth the author.) However, now we’re into a Generational Crisis era; the adults who survived the last crisis era (WW-II in our case) are gone, and there are not enough people who realize that Bad Things Will Happen if this goes on.

            If I have it right, the previous Generational Crises era for the US was 1860-65, and you can see how well that turned out…

            Note to self, get some handgun practice time in, right soon.

            • Note to RCPete: practice with something larger than a handgun. You can get an AR for about $600 now, easily, and there are a lot of very accurate $300 bolt actions.

              • I’d say practice with both. Soldiers carry sidearms for a reason: even in the military where you’re almost ALWAYS fighting at rifle range, sometimes the fight starts at such close quarters that a handgun is a more effective weapon than a rifle.

                • the thing is, most soldiers *don’t* carry sidearms.

                  E.g. someone’s notes on issuance to an infantry company in OIF:

                  All officers
                  All senior NCOs (E-7 and higher)
                  All medics, including the battalion PA and surgeon
                  All M240B gunners (but not assistant gunners)
                  All snipers (but not spotters)
                  Company Commander’s RTO (but not platoon level RTOs)

        • “the media is lying and deceiving as hard as they possibly can, to make it look like the hard Left is actually more popular than they actually are”

          I want to believe this, but Jared Polis just won the primary by a large margin and will be the Democratic candidate for governor of Colorado. Jared Polis, who among other nutty things he has said, believes that it is better for 10 innocent young men to be expelled from college than it would be for one rapist to be allowed to continue. And this guy might very well be our next governor.

          I worry about the craziness on the Left. On both sides, really, but the Left in particular seems close to coming unhinged.

          • He WILL be our next governor. Because voting by mail.

            • I don’t suppose there’s a sane and popular Republican running against him. After all, at some point even fraud becomes impossible.

              But the Republicans ARE the stupid party, so there’s that.

              • I think the R going against him seemed like a pretty decent guy. But there will undoubtably be a revelation that he’s actually a horrible human being who back in the third grade made fun of a girl and pulled her hair, thereby revealing that he has a long history of misogyny and sexual harassment.

              • Note Sarah’s comment about voting by mail. Colorado *requires* votes by mail. It’s generally understood on the right that this means that votes will be recounted as necessary until the vote counters get a tally in which the “correct” candidate wins.

              • The Party of Stupid vs. the Party of Evil.

                I still say my lottery system would be better…

                “But-but-but… you might wind up with someone who was a criminal or mentally defective!”

                “You mean, the same people we have now? That’s how random chance works…”

          • Which means fraud a-go-go.

        • I know they’re not popular. They’re MAYBE 15%. I should explain that the civil war I fear is NOT ranged armies. It’s the left gets REALLY obnoxious and we spank them with an ax, and then we go looking for “adjacent” which would include even me, just because the left claims all Latins.
          It’s that fire I’m afraid of, not the initial confrontation.

          • You could move to Texas. Hispanic are many here and are well-regarded. There are legal immigrants here, who are church goers, hard workers and some vote Republican. Texas has a healthy economy.

            • Yep – in Texas, a good half of my neighbors in a working-class suburb are Hispanic, legal citizens by birth (and their families here since a hundred and fifty years and longer) and conservative. There is a certain amount of nuttiness seeping in from Austin, though – but balanced by San Antonio being chock-full of veterans and retirees, thanks to the military bases.

              My seat of the pants guess is that open street violence will boil over in late summer, leading up to the elections. When the expected blue wave does not materialize in the manner that the usual lefty tools expect, they will — as my daughter says – lose their sh*t.

              • But my kids are in CO. And yeah, end of summer, if not that then next spring.

                • We’ll keep a light on for you Sarah. Plano is supposedly the safest place around with a 4 per million homicide rate. Good economy. Short drive back to CO.

                • I think their capacity for self-delusion and maintaining their echo chamber will get them through election night (I’m sure they’ll take great pleasure in throwing Trump’s unexpected performance in the face of any conservative gloating over polls). But if the Democrats don’t take back the House in November I expect every big city and college town that isn’t completely snow-bound to burn. The real question will be what the Democrat leadership does in response. If them condemn the riots they’ll be condemning the base that they’ll need to win in 2020. If they side with the rioters they’ll be alienating the moderates they’ll need to win in 2020.

                  Even if they do take the House, the Democrats are in a bind. Either they act like responsible statesmen and “cover for the evil TrumpHitler” which alienates their base or they go after Trump like lunatics and alienate the moderates.

                  No matter what, it looks like being Trump’s campaign manager is one of the easier jobs for 2020.

          • LIke Emily said. But pointing to Tennessee. You’d definitely be welcome here, as I’m sure you know from LibertyCon and TVIW attendance.

          • I HAVE to find a way to “like” comments on other people’s WP blogs.

            This is exactly the fear that I have, that anyone with a smidgen of historical knowledge has. The revolutionary mob has many fists – and no eyes. Once formed, it rolls over anyone that confronts it, and anyone that doesn’t keep up.

      • One of the problems I am seeing now is that the ‘moderate leftists’ are not decrying the actions of the ‘non-moderate leftists.’ The moderates are actively supporting the action of the non-moderates while the same time they (moderates) are saying their hands are clean of violence.

        Um, no. Active support of violence makes the supporter as culpable as the committer. Lots of actual laws support this, from accessory laws to the ‘you didn’t shoot him during a crime but your buddy did so you’re equally guilty’ laws.

        You see this same thing in some relationships, one person winds up the ‘loudmouth’ of the relationship, but if one looks closely, the quiet one is the real troublemaker.

        • Just another similarity between the leftists and Muslims.

        • I’m waiting for the “nothing left to lose” sue for damages the Marxine (great misspell) Walters, Pelosi, or some loud mouth star, or all, all who have loudly & proudly prompted violence, because a protest or incident went too far. Under you can’t yell Fire when there is none. You can’t call for death or destruction either. Nothing has happened, yet; but …

          What I fear is the “nothing left to lose” goes another, much more violent, direction, making martyr of someone on the left. That would be bad, very, very, bad.

  5. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

    What’s really annoying is that one nice Liberal is “concerned” that Pro-Trumpers don’t support dissent.

    While the “dissidence” we’re seeing from the “Liberals” shows that Liberals believe violence or threat of violence is “proper behavior”. 😦

    • It was fun/satisfying/amusing, after all the “Dissent IS Patriotic” stuff in the Bush years to reply, during the time of Obama, with “Dissent is STILL Patriotic.”

    • I have been avoiding reading that blog today, because I really don’t want to get intro a fight with her. Of course, I also am traveling, so I have an excuse.

  6. What are we going to end up with in the next few years? I suspect a blend of Robert Heinlein’s world government of Starship Troopers, and the American government of David Gerrold’s Chtorr series; assuming the Right wins. (I know, David probably isn’t the most popular fellow around these parts, but he did write some good stories.)

    Here’s a thought for the coming week. For your own protection, don’t answer it, just think about it: How many folks going to Liberty Con by private vehicle will be packing a weapon and ammunition with them just in case? For that matter, how many people traveling large distances by car or truck this summer will be carrying? At the end of the day, I certainly don’t want to end up in a place like Ferguson, or Charlottesville in a state of spontaneous combustion with just the clothes on my back. To paraphrase, “Proper Preparation Prevents Pathetically Poor Prognoses.” So, What’s in your wallet pocket, or pocketbook, or jacket, or beltpouch?

    • Col. Kratman’s America of Caliphate, is my guess.

      The thing is, the control freaks are greedy. Had they pushed space, many, perhaps most of us, would have enthusiastically left. Give us a place to go, we’re out of here. We aren’t blood and soil nationalists who must keep our bit of earth as our identity.

      They could then have done whatever they pleased with the old place. But they wanted everyone. So they backed their opponents into a corner.

    • > How many folks going to Liberty Con by private vehicle will be packing a weapon and ammunition with them just in case?

      Most of them?

      Because A), it’s their right and they don’t need a reason, and B), because they plan on going to one of the range trips

    • Saw a claim recently that there were 16 million concealed carry permits issued in the US. Figure at least that many more have not bothered with the paperwork, and that doesn’t even address the several states that have gone constitutional carry. Add on those that keep a firearm legal but available quickly and the number of armed private citizens dwarfs our police and military combined.
      I feel compelled to point out that if guns were really the problem we’d be much worse off than Mexico rather than considerably safer than the UK.
      Tennessee recognizes a lot of states’ CCW permits, so LC is and always has been a gun rich environment, but also a very polite and safe one. Funny that. It has been discussed in several fora that the risk of a liberal attack of some sort at LC is higher than usual given their recent minor successes. I’ve been told that the concom is aware and factored that into the security arrangements. Should some snowflake try to disrupt the activities I expect the response will be direct and quite forceful. And any real attempt at violence will be met with an order of magnitude greater response.

      • Not that I wish for it to happen, but should they try it is will be very entertaining to watch. I suspect the only sorrow on the part of any non-leftists will be if they don’t get a chance to get their licks in.

      • > 16 million

        And the dozen (now thirteen!) states whose citizens don’t need no steekeeng permits.

      • There was an article making the rounds a few days back saying that US civilians had almost as many small arms as the rest of the world – including all the militaries – combined.

        • All the military forces in the world: I’d SWAG that at about 15 million.

          Number of armed Americans (that admit it): around 150 million.

          • “Number of armed Americans (that admit it): around 150 million.”

            Just like programming completion WAG’s, triple or quadruple your 150 million for actual armed Americans.

            • America’s population is about 325 million, so it can’t possibly be more than “a little more than double”.

    • Those of us flying to LibertyCon don’t have that option. I just hope that the war doesn’t happen until after I’m dead. The original ACW took a century and a half to get over. If this one will be worse then it will take multiple centuries to recover from. If we are looking inward long enough things in the might very bad indeed. If you add a Maunder Minimum to this, there will be hard times coming up indeed. Hopefully, With G-d’s help things will go as well as possible. We pray for G-d’s mercy on all of us.

      OT: Our doggie is going for surgery tomorrow to repair his torn ACL (or whatever dogs have instead.) Prayers and good wishes requested. Thank you.

      • things in the world.

      • Actually, depending on local laws it’s not difficult to fly with a firearm. It must be unloaded and in a locked case. The case will be labelled as a firearm, (known as a “steal me” sticker) so put that case in your checked baggage. You must declare it at the baggage counter. In Phoenix they send you right to the TSA baggage screener who checks it meets the requirements, watches you lock the bag and off it goes. Easy peasy… Please note that while the airlines rules are straight forward, if you’re flying into some place like the Peoples Republic of New Jersey that’s a whole different can of worms. Check local laws at both ends and check for your airlines procedures.

        • And also check laws at any layover airports just in case you’re forced to change flights due to an unexpected event.

      • Best of fortunate to doggins on fast and full recovery.

        • snelson134

          We heard back from the vet on Friday. Nemo had more damage than we initially thought, but the surgery went smoothly and he’s doing fine. However, there’s also been one escape attempt, and the vet says she will take this into account when evaluating Doggie Downers to send home. 😎

      • Prayers for poor puppy!

        • The hardest thing will be to keep him on a minimal movement regimen after his surgery. Eight weeks to be precise. We’ve been promised doggie downers. He’s probably going to be spending some quality time in his kennel.

          • SheSellsSeashells

            Is he a chewer? Really Good Treats from identifiable animal parts might keep him tranquil for a while. Our dog will zone right out with an antler or beef shin bone and becomes an angel under the influence of bully sticks (into which no one, but especially not Orvan, should inquire too closely).

            • He’s already got a biscuit belly so thx for the idea. It’ll probably a mix of methods. crate time, doggie downers, snacks tv/watching out the window. I offered to move his crate so that it faces outside. so he can watch out the window. Also July 4th is the 1st Weds and the monthly howl a long with the tornado siren that gets tested every first Weds unless it’s bad weather.

              • SheSellsSeashells

                Yeah, Large Dog is a quarter coonhound and likes to encourage fire trucks when they go by. “I BELIEVE IN YOU! LET ME HARMONIZE!”

                • Telephone conversations with a friend were sometimes interrupted during the summer when he had the windows open. He lived in the capitol, not too far from the zoo. Police cars, ambulances, and fire engines would set off the animals. Wolves, coyotes, the elephants, and… who knew that peacocks could make such an ungodly racket?

                  • who knew that peacocks could make such an ungodly racket?

                    *raises hand*

                    I grew up with my mom cursing Grandma’s kai-YA! kai-YA! kai-YA! peacock.

                    Grandma lived three miles as the crow flies. (over ten by road) YES, we would randomly hear the @#$@# bird, because there were exactly two trees, one fence and a couple of bored deer in the fields between us.

          • We’ve been promised doggie downers.
            Get him a lava lamp and some psychedelic posters to help him pass those 8 weeks. 😉

      • I just hope that the war doesn’t happen until after I’m dead.

        It’s not me I worry about. I don’t expect to survive a civil war anyway and I’m okay with that–given the tradition I follow “going down fighting” is kind of our thing.

        My concern is for my daughter. On the one hand, I really don’t want her to have to deal with the horror of a civil war. On the other, I’d really like there to be a free country for her to live in as an adult.

        • I know how you feel. Due to disabilities and lack of cash due to disabilities, wife and I will ‘die in place’ if/when the fecal material hits the rotary oscillator. My concerns are for my nieces and nephews, having unfortunately/fortunately (depending on how things go) never having children of our own.

          It’s storm season, so at least my preps are up for a week without power. Sigh. I hate this carp. I want to go back to the days of my youth when I only had to worry about the Soviet Union nuking us to death and beyond.

        • Ditto my son, though he’s now an adult.

          • Yep. Ours too.

            Darn it. I expect my mom to have another 15 – 20 years (she’s 84 this fall), or more. Me I expect another 30, or more (62 this fall). I expect hubby to be right there with me for the ride …

      • Ah for the days when ladies and gentlemen could take the trains anywhere in this country, and pack concealed without a care that John Law would accost them for doing so. Of course on-board toilet facilities sucked, there was no air conditioning, sparks and cinders kept flying in the windows, and sanitation was non- existent.

        • You want me to travel on a non AC’ed conveyance in Texas in the summer? Are you mad sir?

          • Hmm, open air, 25 to 30 mph breeze?

            • Think, blowtorch…

              • “Blast furnace” was the way my husband recently described some dead-air 100º+ weather.

                • Back when I lived in Dallas and had a roommate who worked in the same office as me, my roommate once baked a tray of cookies in his car (the office parking lot had very little shade) and shared them around the office the next day.

                  • I did camp training with someone who mentioned on the last day that she did summer solar cooking on her car dashboard (with reflective window shade behind the pot and a towel under it) when she was working, so that she’d get in her car at the end of the day and dinner would be ready as soon as she got home.

                  • Housemate once described watching a cop come out of the grocery with a shopping bag; unpack the small frying pan and six pack of eggs, set the pan up in, or on car, and fry the eggs. Dude ate the eggs out of the pan, and went back to work.

                    Me: sod living in Adelaide, ever.

                  • kenashimame

                    It’s the time of year in Tucson where premium parking spaces are measured by amount of shade rather than distance to the front door.

            • Doing 55 on a 104 day, with the windows down, it DID NOT HELP.

              Once it gets hot enough, it’s like trying to cool off by standing in the “breeze” from a heater.

              This morning I took a cold shower– only the cold water turned on– and it was warmer than most of the ship showers.

          • adventuresfantastic

            We live in Texas. A few years ago we took a vacation in New Mexico. And the AC in the car died. It was only 115F on the four hour drive home.

            • Pant pant wheeze! You stopped every hour for ice?

              • We keep our house at 70 F in the summer and 68 in the winter. We have a one story house with central AC. We also have ceiling fans in addition.

                • Wow. My husband takes it *down* to 72º most of the time in the summer—70º seems extravagant. (I grew up in this climate without AC, but in a cinderblock house that gave a good 20º of cooling. Still up in the 80s at night on those 100º days.)

            • We got lucky on a family vacation. Our Mercury Breezeway (rear window rolled down) didn’t have any A/C (this was in 1967), but Dallas was merely 95F and we didn’t get stuck in traffic.

          • “You want me to travel on a non AC’ed conveyance in Texas in the summer?”
            Been there, done that, on the choo-choo across north Tejas when we were kids going to see grandma & grandpa.
            My dad had a cylindrical swamp cooler that hung out the window of the car, about that same time.
            I inherited it from him one time when we were going across country with our own kids; it finally rusted out a few years later — didn’t need it on the Gulf Coast.

      • I have flown a couple of times with firearms. The laws are pretty straightforward, but the airline may have additional rules. (Southwest is usually pretty good.) The following article has some pretty good advice:

        http://concealednation.org/2016/01/the-definitive-guide-to-air-travel-with-firearms/

        Several other things:
        1. Airline personnel often do not know their own company’s requirements. In addition to the TSA web page (see the above link), I also print out the specific airline rules so I have a copy.
        2. Try to avoid routing through Chicago (O’Hare or Midway) or New York. Under NO cirumstances claim luggage with a firearm until at your destination.

        • most TSA agents don’t know the regs either

          • Most TSA agents aren’t functionally literate.

            • Back when I did TSA physicals, they were also far more likely than any of my other patients to have a history of SOCMOB GSWs.

              Yes, even the little old ladies. The scars were impressive.

              • Explain those acronyms?

                • Eamon J. Cole

                  Standing on the corner minding my own business, gun shot wound.

                    • Eamon J. Cole

                      Usually associated with Sumdood and his various nefarious activities. Oddly enough, Sumdood is rather fond of some joint called outta-nowhere.

                      “There I was, standing on the corner, minding my own business, when outta-nowhere sumdood just starts blasting… I swear, I ain’t never seen the guy before and it ain’t got nuthin’ ta do with me.”

                      Not to be confused with “No sh*t, there I was, knee deep in brass…”

                      Different mythologies entirely.

                • I believe that’s “standing on corner minding own business gunshot wounds.”

                • GunShotWound acquired while Standing On the Corner, Minding my Own Buisiness.

              • I did once get the slightly more creative “Hanging out in the back of the Pool Hall minding my own business. He was a bit older though.

    • Well, I’m not going to LibertyCon. But that doesn’t mean that I am changing my usual practice.

    • Honestly I pretty much always have one of my .45’s when I travel and multiple mags and extra rounds. I may or may not also have a bit more than that 🙂 .308 works really well for a lot of tasks.

  7. And most of us were so isolated, we might not believe the left in our field of expertise, but would accept the consensus reality in other things.

    An application of Gell Mann amnesia. Where one reads an article in a newspaper about a subject with which one is familiar and sees that it’s not only wrong, but laughably wrong, then turns the page to another article and promptly forgets how wrong the newspaper was and assumes this other article, about which one doesn’t have personal familiarity, is basically correct.

    • I started to lose my faith in the truth of the media back in the eighties. In recent years that has only been confirmed. The trouble is you have to accept some sources of information or be resigned to total blind ignorance. I have become more selective and require multiple and original sources before I fully believe something. Even so I get burned by hoaxes all too often. There is a reason why Trump’s oversimplified fake news meme has struck a chord.

      • I started losing that back about 1980ish, when TIME ran a cover story that I knew was agenda-driven and spherically bullshit, if only because I could wave around hard stats to the contrary.

    • What bugs me is how many folks will howl about Gell Mann, but then assume that their reporting on “youth movements” is accurate.

      Seriously. Arrrgh.

      • Gell Mann meets Dunning Kreuger.

      • I bet a large part of it is wanting to know something rather than nothing. It’s not fun to admit to knowing nothing about a subject, so most people will latch on to the first thing they learn about it and assume that it’s correct — even when they should know better due to knowing about the whole Gell-Mann Amnesia thing.

        It’s a very human response. We’ve been trained* to associate ignorance with being a bad person. And we don’t want to be a bad person, do we? So we latch on to the first thing that will help us to not be ignorant. And we often don’t want to examine it too closely, lest we find out that it’s actually false, because then we’d be right back where we started — still ignorant.

        * And who trained us? In many cases, it’s the same popular-culture providers (news media, Hollywood, TV) who talk about “ignorant hicks from Hickville” as if that ignorance was an automatic disqualifier for being one of the Anointed**. And most of us*** still haven’t put two and two together and said, “Well, given what your category of Anointed entails, I don’t want to be one of those” and rejected the classification. Because it’s never presented as a formal, reasoned argument; it’s just assumed as a usually-unspoken premise, so it slips past the mind’s defenses.

        ** Yes, in precisely the way Thomas Sowell means that word.

        *** I include myself in that: I’m learning, but there are still times when I catch myself with a gut feeling that my mind knows is wrong, like “ignorance = unable/unwilling to learn”. (The classic “hick from Hickville” stereotype, for example). I know this is false; I’ve met a guy who had no formal schooling until he was, IIRC, 14 (he had to tend his father’s cattle) and then had finished his college degree by the age of 21. I know that “ignorant” does not equal “stupid”. But I’ve heard the lie that “ignorant = stupid” enough times that it’s sunk into my hindbrain, and it’s a lot of work prying it loose from there.

  8. We think they are mistaken, ill informed, in some cases bat shit crazy.
    They think we are evil. We must be for otherwise we would embrace the wonderfulness of holy Marx and join them in the march to a brave new world.
    First Tuesday in November this year is the sixth. Assuming no blue wave I predict denial, then outrage, finally revolt. Basically, a doubling down on every attitude we’ve been living with since Trump won. By that Friday I fully expect blood in the streets. The thing being, though their socialist religion prevents them from accepting it, mostly it will be their blood. Quiet, polite, conservative types of my acquaintance are pure fed up with the last year and a half of whiney children pitching a continuous fit because they didn’t get their way, and our patience is wearing thin. They think that violence will get out attention, and force us to comply with their demands. They’re half right, our attention they shall surely have. It brings to mind that old parental phrase: you’re gonna cry, I’ll give you something to cry about.

    • Well armed, with sufficient supplies of ammunition. When the mobs form up and start their destructive wave rolling down the street, that’s when they deserve the Light Brigade treatment.

      • Or Concord Bridge treatment.

        • That words for me. Drove by there just last week too.

          • I think the Left has also convinced itself that the respect we normies have for things like civility and rule of law is actually cowardice, and that when push comes to shove most of us won’t be willing to fight back.

            Ever read the book “In Broad Daylight” by Harry N. MacLean? It’s about a thuggish fellow we had here in Missouri some years back named Ken Rex McElroy, who had a similar opinion about his normie neighbors – the same sort of middle-class and rural working-class whites the Left holds in such similar contempt – and who robbed and bullied them for years . . .

            . . . Until the people of McElroy’s hometown decided they’d had enough of his crap, thank you very much, and one hot summer day in July 1981 they settled his hash suddenly and violently and publicly and all over Main Street. And refused to talk to the cops afterward.

            And while the neighbors didn’t necessarily live happily ever after due to the horrific nature of McElroy’s long-overdue ending, the national headlines and pontificating resulting from same, and the periodic investigations by law enforcement to solve what officially remains an unsolved cold-case homicide, well, at least they don’t have to worry about Ken McElroy anymore . . .

            The Left is driving the entire country towards a McElroy moment, and most of them are too damned stupid to realize it. And some of them – even more foolishly – are actually looking forward to it. The only (cold-comfort) consolation to what’s coming is that, perhaps not that many years down the road, we won’t have to worry about a lot of them anymore, either.

            • Oh, yes – I particularly recall the case of Ken McElroy; a particularly vicious neighborhood bully. And after years of him riding rough-shod over his neighbors, he winds up dead in the middle of the street, in the middle of the day … and no one present — and there were quite a few present — saw a thing.
              I drew on that for my account of the death of a similar bully, in Fredericksburg, Texas, shortly after the Civil War. The late accused had been one of the pro-Confederate “Hanging Band” – a gang which targeted Unionists in the Hill Country.
              http://www.celiahayes.com/archives/366
              JP Waldrip finished up dead in the streets of Fredericksburg … in the middle of the day, and no one who saw him fall dead ever confessed to seeing who shot him dead, under the oak tree by the side of the Nimitz Hotel.

    • There are some kinds of attention one does not want for one’s own safety.

    • “It brings to mind that old parental phrase: you’re gonna cry, I’ll give you something to cry about.”
      Was thinking along those same lines the other day, in re the Left’s complaints and whining.
      Whenever my kids would say something like, “You never let me have x” or “You always make me do y” – my reply was generally: “Not so, but I can make that happen.”

    • I was looking at something else, came across a blog post with the title “It’s too late, you have lost your guns” from last February, by a woman who thinks it’s high time to get a full gun ban (easy to find if you want to, it comes up with that title used for the search – designmom blog. Seems to be pretty political for a design blog).

      What kind of got me was in the comments. One commenter just straight out said that if gun confiscation is tried, there will be a civil war. The blogger’s answer “Oh good lord.”

      She thinks it’s impossible.

      There were also a lot of answers to comments from people arguing against her how nobody wants to become a law-breaker and so on, so most law-abiding gun owners would comply.

      And her cheerleaders also brought up getting completely rid of the Second Amendment because it’s so old fashioned.

      One commenter told how she had been driving in some country where you can’t carry, and gotten held behind an accident where the two drivers had not been hurt, and had gotten out of their cars and started yelling at each other, and how scared she had been until she remembered “no guns here” and then it was such a relief because she knew that nobody would at least get killed, maybe they’d beat up each other a bit if it got that far, or even use a knife, she did mention the possibility of knives – but at least nobody would get killed (maybe she meant bystanders, she can’t be so stupid she’d think you can’t kill with a knife even if she doesn’t know you can kill with a fist. Can she?)

      Oopsie, I think I just did what Sarah is always complaining about, rolled my eyes too hard. Have to go looking for them before the cats get to them.

      • Locked in a doctor’s office this morning with the View on.

        I was very good. The only comment I made was when Goldberg something about all three branches being under one party control, they call that totalitarianism– and I looked up and said “That was about two thousand and eight to twelve or fourteen.”

        Suddenly everybody was totally ignoring the TV. /wry

        All of this because a judge she insisted was a horrible nasty conservative type is going to be replaced by a conservative…which will change things…?

        Either Kennedy is horrible, or he’s not; make up your dang mind, woman!

      • Oh, forgot my point– that they did the “a third of Americans think a civil war is going to happen in the next six years!” type thing, which Goldberg managed to turn into a plan for a race war.

        No, really.

      • “Oopsie, I think I just did what Sarah is always complaining about, rolled my eyes too hard. Have to go looking for them before the cats get to them.”

        When I do that I have to get to them before the puppy … the little thief.

      • ESR does the math in his recent blog post The Critical Fraction. If only 1 in 317—yes, that’s less than a third of a percent—of American gun owners are prepared to resist confiscation violently, the gun grab fails.

  9. Timothy Harris

    I am more optimistic than you.
    Many of the people of my acquaintance who mouthed the words of the Resistance after Trump’s election are no longer doing so (though a few are). No, they aren’t any more supportive of him. They’re finally seeing the craziness exposed on the far left that they don’t support either. The 40% in the middle just want the system to work and the extreme polarization is interfering with that. One couple who repost the Resistance rants on Facebook even agree with me (when in person) that Congress should be passing individual budget bills instead of obstructing them (forcing huge omnibus spending bills), and that illegal immigrants shouldn’t be eligible for drivers licenses or welfare.
    They’re frustrated, but certainly not ready for war.
    Maybe the furthest 5% left & right are and they can create some turmoil. But I don’t see it spinning out of control even when DJT gets re-elected. This looks more like 1968 to me than 1918.

    • Depends on what they do and when they do it. So far no one has been answering their violence, and they’re encouraged.

      • They have many rose-colored memories of the summer of ’68. Maybe they want a recurrence of their youth before they die.

        • In our part of Oregon, if they try to recreate ’68, they might find themselves on the wrong end of a Kent State reenactment.

      • Over at Ace’s blog the other day, someone posted a link to a trial (in Berkely, iirc) in which a Trump supporter got beaten badly by a group of Antifa thugs. The thugs scattered when the cops arrived, but five of them weren’t quick enough and got arrested.

        From what I heard, it should have been an open and shut case for the prosecution.

        They all walked.

    • From http://washingtonsblog.com/2013/12/3-times-many-americans-supported-king-george-revolutionary-war-support-congress-today.html

      “In other words, around 3 times as many colonists supported King George as the 6% which support our own Congress today.

      Moreover, a May 2013 poll by Fairleigh Dickinson University found that 29% of registered voters think that armed revolution may be “necessary” in the next couple of years. In other words, the number of Americans who think that armed revolution may be “needed” dwarf the number of Americans who approve of the job that Congress is doing.”

      Another site says, “Most historians now say that about 40% supported the revolution, about 20% were Tory and the rest “neutral” — though as one of my professors pointed out, “neutrality” often depended on which sides’ troops were in the area.”

      Population of the Colonies during the Revolutionary War was about 2.5 million. About 70 to 100 thousand loyalists left the American Colonies immediately post-RW (about half went to Canada); and some figure as many as 750,000 left over the next 3 decades (which sounds excessively high to me.)

      I’d prefer to see all the Communist-Liberal-Marxist-Progressive-Socialists peacefully pack up and move to a country that supports or ‘runs’ on their ideology; and leave America to us more self-reliant types since there really isn’t anywhere else for us to go. Let them experience the joys of Portugal or Sweden as American expatriates.

      • Yes on the joys of Portugal or Sweden.

      • Regarding that last paragraph, even those so willing might find it more difficult to actually move, given a lot of countries have residency requirements more strict than those of the US, never mind actually becoming a citizen/subject of that nation, and tend to be rather less inclined towards kindness towards border-jumpers than ICE agents usually use.

        • Actually know some people who were going to move to Canada after Trump’s election. And the resounding ‘NO!’ they received from the liberal government of Canada shocked them. Same with Australia and New Zealand and England. They were shocked that illegal immigrants could get into those countries but ‘good thinking people’ couldn’t ‘get in.’

          They were really rocked fundamentally to find that their globalistic world-view didn’t actually exist and most countries actually are stricter than the US.

          My response? “Welcome to the Republican Party.

          • They were shocked that illegal immigrants could get into those countries but ‘good thinking people’ couldn’t ‘get in.’

            HA HA HA HA HA HAHA

            Best part was, this was during the time when even illegals were having problems getting into Australia, and a lot of them were sinking their own boats to ‘force’ the Australian coast guard to ‘rescue’ them and thus ‘be responsible for their wellbeing – a number of these boats had nothing but men on them. There’s a very very good reason for the media blackout on the coast guard right now – and also the news stopped reporting on it when the average Australian basically refused to bow to that kind of self-hostage taking. The last bit of news I heard was after the Coasties backed well off of rescue range when the last batch of men tried to sink their ship, they observed the men fixed the ship enough that it wasn’t sinking, and came back to basically tow them into international waters, with a helpful shove back towards Indonesia.

            The Lefties from the US wouldn’t find a very nice reception right now either, because the average, hardworking Aussie is feeling the pinch from all those years of supporting illegals and basically giving them everything to avoid the racism claim. Family support and medicare is constantly being restructured now to try lessen the outflow, and scandal stories about various MPs gaming the system to their illegal profits are abounding. Supposedly the last time someone tried to organize an anti-Trump rally, only American expats were given permission to join in; Aussies who tried were charged with disturbing the peace – not wrong since Trump is not part of the Aussie government in any way.

            • On one of Instapundit’s nightly open threads, I think it was a couple of nights ago, someone posted a great meme. A picture of some illegal immigrants waving a Mexican flag and signs saying “Trump is not my president”, alongside another picture labeled “You’re right. This is your president” and showing Enrique Peña Nieto.

              • Pretty much. I think the Aussie government had been watching the sheer chaos and misbehaviour displayed and were like ‘nope, having none of that,’ on a local scale. There was some whimpering about it in local news, but the general reaction to it is ‘he’s not our PM, not our problem, there’s no reason for you to throw the binky, and there’s plenty of problems at home you SHOULD be minding, instead of being a sticky beak into someone else’s cereal.’

                • I think I almost understood that 🙂

                  • ‘Throw the binky’ (also ‘spit the dummy’) =Throw a tantrum, usually the screaming shrill kind that usually means that the kid gets a spanked bottom.
                    ‘sticky beak’ – a person or the act of sticking one’s nose into someone else’s business when they don’t have any good reason for doing so other than being a nosy bastard; for me it conjures images of kookabura birds jabbing their huge beaks into seed stations – funny because kookaburas are a type of kingfisher, and they don’t really accomplish much except scatter seeds.

            • I had a boss many years ago – he was what was considered left of center for those days (probably a fellow Nazi, now). Married a born and raised New Zealand lady. Very distraught, because she wanted to move back home – but he could not get a residency visa without being able to prove that he had sufficient liquid assets for, IIRC, a full year of their support (may have been more than that). They eventually did move, but only four years after his last child from the previous marriage turned 21 and half of his income stopped going to child support in California.

              • Yep. Rhys had to prove that he was capable of supporting me without government aid in the event I ended up completely disabled and bedridden. I’m not either of those, either. I believe the proof he offered up was “My job is the kind of job desperately sought after on oil rigs, and if I needed to I can move to a six figure salary.” The way he also did the proof requirements was pretty much ‘overwhelm them with what they ask for.’ They want 5 pieces of evidence? Give them TEN, and say ‘just in case a few of the others aren’t considered valid.’

          • Love that. Welcome to reality, dears.

            • And I would have loved to move to USA – everything else apart, it’s a country far more south than Finland so I probably would not have the SAD problems, definitely not if I moved to south of the country, and I know the language and have most of my life been at least somewhat familiar with the culture (mainstream anyway). So I might, just might, have been able to get to develop the talents I was born with into something useful (high IQ, and I have always been able to draw pretty well…).

              But no chance. Pretty much a catch 22 – what has stopped me from amounting to much here is mostly due to SAD (plus normal clinical depression, except that is also connected to it – what causes the periods of normal depression has to great extent been failing to achieve anything much during the winters, and I am also more sensitive to things which can trigger the more normal depression than I would be somewhere south) and not having been able to amount to much prevents me from moving anywhere else. If I had been able to move I might have had no problems with depression, who knows. Considering that I have repeatedly been able to climb out of it here in spite of having had a lot of things against me makes me think that removing the big one – SAD – might have left me strong enough to deal with almost anything else.

        • Did run across a blog post about a “brake light clinic.”

          That is, going over the illegals’ cars to ensure they won’t be pulled over for broken lights and the like. How generous!

          • Be they wouldn’t be willing to do that for Americans–either rural people OR inner-city folks. And yet how many so-called “driving while black” incidents are due to valid traffic-related issues like broken that ail lights and similar?

  10. “the people united shall never be defeated.”:

    If there’s one thing WWI taught the world, it’s:

    The People! United! Are Mass Targets for Direct and Indirect Fire!

    Mass demonstrations and large paper mache puppets are no match for machine guns and mortars.

    The fact that mass demonstrations still happen, and still have political impact, is more a reliance on the tolerance of machine gunners and mortarpersons and tank crew than any innate superiority of the method. See Tiananmen Square for what happens when those in power decline to accommodate the protesters.

    That also makes another point: The only place mass protests are not dispersed with extreme prejudice are those where the US as currently constituted retains influence. The whatever-revolutions across the Mediterranean rim and Middle East were more manifestations of “if we shoot these fools in eth streets the US will do to us what they did to Saddam and Khadafi” than anything else. And even now that threat is pretty much gone.

    But if the USA tips over this ledge, you can bet you will not see the Europeans (hah!) or the Russians (Hah!!) or the Chinese (HAH!!!!) forcing any kindness on the machine gunners and mortarpersons and tank crews of the world.

  11. Progressives up here in Canada are protecting anointed Justin Trudeau from getting caught up in #metoo scandals. Apparently eighteen years ago at summer festival, Trudeau groped a reporter from small town paper who then wrote and published unsigned editorial about her experience. Of course, there is very little discussion about skeevy Trudeau here in Canada, progressives have to shield their saints from criticism.

    • Christopher M. Chupik

      I haven’t heard that. Wouldn’t surprise me if it were true, sadly.

      • One day in August 2000, Valerie Bourne — at the time the publisher of the Creston Valley Advance, a small community newspaper in British Columbia’s southern interior — received a visit in her office from one of the newsroom’s two reporters.

        The reporter, a woman in her early 20s whom Bourne later described as having an “awesome work ethic” and a “heart of gold,” told her publisher about an unsettling encounter she said she’d had with Justin Trudeau. Not yet involved in politics, the then-28-year-old Trudeau had come to Creston to attend a music festival raising funds to build a backcountry lodge in honour of his late brother.

        http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/why-an-18-year-old-groping-allegation-against-justin-trudeau-is-not-a-metoo-moment

        • Christopher M. Chupik

          Even some of my liberal friends up here are getting fed up with Trudeau the Second.

          • Three females in my life voted for dreamy Trudeau even tho they don’t regularly vote Liberal. The three were together at long weekend BBQ a few weeks back and they are now agreed voting for handsome dilettante was bad idea and will be voting differently next election.

            • Handsome?

              Okay, in a few photos from his youth he gets there, although not something to write home about even then, but in the ones taken since he got into politics not really to my taste. Sort of average, not ugly by no means but not what I’d call handsome either.

              But then hardly anybody is if you ask me. I always considered Brad Pitt also as at best average, back when everybody seemed to be offering him as the most handsome ever. I do think Jason Momoa is handsome, though. Most of the others on the “most handsome” lists today – pretty, most of the models, or average, like Ryan Gosling and Channing Tatum (and bizarre choices – Pharrell Williams? That shrimp?). Some of the pretty may get to handsome when they age a bit, some will just turn average with age. 😀

              Yep, I’m weird. 😛

              • Both of those guys trip my “slick, faking it” meter. I don’t see why someone would find ’em handsome, either. Just….slick. Kind of like gals who are obviously well put together, but there’s no SPARK to it.

          • When did he start with the fake eyebrows??

  12. Have you been following the recent Supreme Court decisions? Government employee unions have lost the right to collect agency fees for “representing” employees who don’t choose to join the union; the state government agency that asserted that a bakery could be compelled to make a custom designed cake for a same-sex wedding has been rebuked; Trump’s power to enforce immigration law has been confirmed, and the practice of making injunctions in a district court apply to the entire United States has been given a warning shot. On one hand, we really dodged a bullet by not having Clinton appoint a new justice; on the other, it looks rather as if the Court has been emboldened by having Trump in office.

    Our best hope of getting through this may lie in the fact that Americans are still an extraordinarily legalistic people. Unfortunately, a lot of people (largely on the left) don’t seem to understand how badly they need the protection of legality.

    • > an extraordinarily legalistic people

      I’ll accept that. We have no monarch and no feoffs; the power of the State comes from, and is limited by, the Constitution of the United States.

      Which is why some of us are so sensitive to the Judicial and Executive Branches ignoring parts of the Constitution they don’t like. Because *all* the law in the USA descends from that single document, and if they figure it doesn’t apply to them… then it doesn’t apply to us, either.

      There’s *no* amount of security that could protect a new nobility and its bureaucracy from 150 million armed and angry people.

    • Justice Kennedy is retiring!
      Let’s nominate Sarah for the next Supreme Court Justice! They have to accept her since she’s a multi-minority!
      They have decent pay and a decent health plan – pluses for Sarah.
      She’s an avid Constitutionalist – plus for us.
      She’d have to move to the D.C. area – okay, that sucks big time.

      • DC area encompasses a lot, and most of it is near sea-level, so there’s that.

      • I would fear that she’d end up throttling the Notorious RGB with Sotomeyer if she was seated.

        Plus, I don’t think she’d make it through the confirmation process. The whole ‘Sad Puppies’ thingy will cause waves of negativity much larger than those against Justice Thomas…

      • I’m willing to start the write-in campaign!

      • BobtheRegisterredFool

        In my Kingdom Hearts fanfic, the Kratman analog in Princess of Wands doesn’t have a gunched heart, bad stuff happens, then his Nobody and Heartless get appointed to replace Kennedy and Ginsberg.

        (Yeah, I’m actually doing rough planning for two separate KH fics, and this neither fits well or is particularly plausible.)

        • what does plausible have to do with fanfic?

          • BobtheRegisterredFool

            Kratman scenarios are funner when you aren’t worried about whether his Heartless qualifies as having passed the Bar exam. And supreme court shenanigans are funner when it isn’t just one supreme court out of many supreme courts of many Americas in many worlds. That said, the latter problem does imply a solution…

    • And Kennedy is retiring immediately. The only question is whether McConnell can acquire the guts (or sufficient fear of what might happen to his political future) to invoke the Reid doctrine. I know that the only way a new Trump-nominated Justice will be seated is with a nuke – even after the mid-terms.

      • Dems are already demanding that Trump delay any nomination until after the midterms. I assume they’re counting on taking back one or both houses and then using the leverage that grants them to force him to pick a moderate. Thing is, they can drag their feet, do their whole song and dance over congressional interrogations of candidates, but Dingy Harry Reed’s rules will still bite them in the end. All the Repubs need is the 51 votes they have to confirm, same as they did with Gorsuch.

  13. Christopher M. Chupik

    I am also somewhat optimistic. The US managed to get through the late ’60s and early ’70s without a civil war. Things are bad right now, but I think the Left has shown itself to be a paper tiger too many times of late.

    • The difference now, though, is that normal Americans have finally had it and aren’t nearly as ready to “let bygones be bygones” as previously.

      • also the last time the left gained full control of the narrative industries. So it calmed down on the action front. I don’t think that will happen now.

  14. We have still, real coffee, tea and cigarettes. Beware the the romaine lettuce! It is said to be spoiled with e. coli. We may yet get through this time alive. by Divine Providence.

  15. The power to stop violence lies solely with the Left since that’s where the threat lies. Non-Leftists have been clear and forthright, but the Left’s rhetoric has been based mostly on fantasy. The longer they indulge themselves, the more dangerous the situation, and unfortunately there’s little else normal people can do to help them.

    Shockingly, I’m more optimistic than the Beautiful but Evil Space Princess this time. I think the best case scenario is a reversion back to civility, but that’s unlikely. The worst case scenario is a violent breakup of the country, but even in that case, I think the Constitution survives and the majority of territory remains old school USA. But in this worst-case scenario, breakaway states will quickly fail and we’ll have unfriendly neighbors who are “advising” and “aiding” them, right next to us.

    The most likely scenario is similar to the Whiskey Rebellion, although on a larger geographic scale and for reasons rooted in dreams rather than economics.

    • Well, we could always convoy north and conquer Canada. With a total military of 79,000 and not much in the way of privately held weapons, it’s not like they could mount any effective resistance.

      • Who needs that much ice?

      • Christopher M. Chupik

        We would resist you. Politely, of course.

      • Somebody on FaceBook made a claim (I think it was a share of a twitter posting, but I don’t recall) that when Canada invaded, they would be greeted as liberators.

        I pointed out that licensed hunters in Indiana alone–a State about which I have an interest) outnumbers the entire Canadian military by about 3 to 1 so, good luck with that.

        • See, this is the bad crazy I’m talking about. What has Trump done other than fix the economy?
          LIBERATORS FROM WHAT?
          With luck, they’d be ignored, like when the British rowed up the Douro River and planted a flag on some headland and declared they now owned Portugal (it’s in some of THEIR older history books.)
          My view of it was three or four Port Wine farmers paused in their labors. One of them spit on the ground and said “well, that’s a thing.”
          That’s my view of Canada invading the US. Because they’re not crazy, they wouldn’t fire any rounds, would get a mile in our side, plant a flag and run back home.
          And some Midwestern farmer would watch it, scratch his head and go “Well, now, that’s a thing.”

          • And fifteen minutes later, someone would be selling that flag on eBay!

            Hey, it *is* the 21st century, after all…

            • Exactly!!!

            • Timothy Harris

              Heck, up here in Champlain, NY (where we’re vacationing away from the FL heat) you see Canadian flags regularly. One more wouldn’t warrant comment. We’re less than 5 miles from Canada. The “At This Exit” signs on I87 for 100 miles south say “hébergement” above “lodging” for the benefit of Quebecers.

              And back in FL there are mobile home parks with names like “Maple Leaf Estates” whose residents are 95% canuck snowbirds. Again, multitudes of maple leaf flags.

              In short, nobody would notice.

              • I understand that it’s hard to find a car with US plates in the parking lots of border medical clinics and hospitals. Best of both worlds, buy your drugs in Canada, but get your timely medical procedures for cash in the US.

            • Dan Hamilton

              And selling a thousand more, all with complete providence that it was the flag the Canadians left.

          • The worst thing that could happen is for things to get better.

            I recall the lefty professors my first time in college… so sad and disappointed that us 20’s in the 80’s weren’t revolution minded the way they’d been in the 60’s.

        • So…who thinks it’s plausible that the Canadian army would actually manage to reach an area where they would be greeted as liberators before their fuel ran out?
          (Seattle doesn’t count.)

          • When it looked like the Evil Witch would make it to the White House, I was wondering how much the Canadians would charge to come back and burn down DC again…

      • I say we head south instead. Venezuela is an opportunity just waiting to be set free. We don’t have to do the whole thing, just start in a few of the resource-rich areas, and expand as necessary to accommodate a growing population.

        Hmmm, thinking about it, if we conquer both, then the Canadian Hun can export ice to the Venezuelan Hun for their margaritas, in exchange for heating oil.

    • I do not see a civil war or large scale insurrection in the US happening without other nations seeing it as an opportunity to interfere for their own end, even if those ends are no more than to tear us down.

      • Got that right.

      • The problem is that once the “civil” war starts it slides down the slope to a very dark place. It would make Ringo’s Last Centurion seem optimistic. When the supplies stop and they will, the death of millions seems certain. Picture the breakup of Yugoslavia with nukes.

        2030
        “Emerging from the ruin of the white house, now a blackened shell, William carefully watched the sun rise over a shattered city. It didn’t take nuclear bombs to utterly destroy a place, buildings burned so easily.

        It was only the stones that outlined structures that retained an illusion of civilization. The nukes had fallen elsewhere. Here in America’s former capital, the death struggle for control that had brought the world’s new dark age had been sufficient.

        “Even the rats were getting scarce” he thought, wondering where to find his next meal. He heading toward the river, “maybe I can catch a fish and dodge the… “

        • The problem is that once the “civil” war starts it slides down the slope to a very dark place.

          Yep, a subject on which I have written many times.

          I like the term Brian Daley coined for civil war in his “Coramonde” books: Doomfaring. Read the first book, “The Doomfarers of Coramonde” oh, on the order of 35 years ago. Never did get around to the second.

          • You didn’t miss anything. The second book was just Gil going back to Coramonde and getting involved in political squabbles.

    • I think we need about 3 to 5 Watts-scale riots by the Left actively suppressed by conservative civilians. And when I say suppressed, I mean we clean their f*ing clocks so thoroughly that even a turnip brained moron recognizes the futility of starting crap.

      • Problem with that notion is the idea that said riots would get anywhere near a large enough concentration of conservative civilians to put down the rioters. Mobs have really poor logistical skills, and little staying power.

        • Dan Hamilton

          But we can get pop corn, beer and watch them destroy their own neighborhoods like we did in the 60s.
          In California how far would they have to march to get to a Conservative neighborhood?
          It would give everybody a chance to see what the compliance rate with those gun laws really is.

  16. 2016 was the 8th Annual Tour of THE SUMMER OF RECOVERY, and DAMN, it was GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREAT (in November)!!!!

  17. Something I posted at my local paper (opinion section of course)
    Who gets to vote?

    To the Editor:

    “A lie can run around the world before the truth can get its shoes on.” — Terry Pratchett.

    “We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement.” — Lois McMaster Bujold.

    The battles on the home front are clearly drawn. The clarion calls have been blown. The armies have gathered. It’s war.

    “What war?” You ask.

    “The franchise,” say I.

    The franchise on who properly may vote and how they may vote. ID cards or no ID cards?

    Generational homeless and illegals? In state elections or at large? Political boundaries being carved over and over to keep power?

    This is what it’s about people. This is why there always seems to be some “emergency” to distract the public.

    Choose wisely.

    Dwan Seicheine
    AKA leaperman

  18. Do remember that once they get established, governments and institutions tend to be super stable. People do tend to stick to the devil they know. It usually takes losing a long and total shooting war, with years of sacrifice and privatization and starvation before a people are really ready to try something different. Notice that not one single tyrannical government overthrew a long standing- those usually overthrew the weak government that came about after the fall of the long standing previous government. For instance, the Nazis didn’t overthrow the Kaiser, but the Weimer republic. The Bolshiviks didn’t overthrow the Tsar, but the Provisional Government.

    • Yeah, the Kaiser would have stood old (young) Adolph and his buddies up against the wall of the nearest Beer Hall and put them full of holes.

      The entire “put him in jail as a lesson for his followers in civil government” exercise really paid off well, eh President Hindenburg?

    • Notice that our revolution preserved the governments we were used to.

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

        Of course, it was our State governments involved in the “revolt”. 😉

        We had been “self-ruling” our selves for decades before Britain decided to “start telling us what to do”.

        It was more a “forceful separation” than an “over throwing the government”.

  19. MarcusZ1967

    Karl Denninger has thoughts on this subject.

    http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=233704

  20. Did you happen to bug my phone? A whole lot of what you are saying in this post mirrors a conversation I was having with a friend on the phone last night. Some of the details are a little different. . .but still. (Even about starting to talk back to them more firmly 30 years ago).

    I’ve been thinking about this for months because the Left refuses to listen. They have created a world in (their minds anyway) that has given them the freedom to ignore or twist our words so they mean they can hate us even more than they already do.

    It’s also interesting to see how full self-defense classes are. There’s usually a waiting list for CCW classes because I think a lot of people are seeing what’s coming and want to be ready.

    As horrible as a Civil War here would be (and I very much doubt it takes the shape of massed battles of armed troops, it’s going to be the other really uglier kind) what it would do to global stability would be even worse. Though, oddly, Russia engulfing Europe might actually be something that ends up saving it. Assuming they can mount the resources to take it and the will to keep it together. (Feel free to correct me if you think I’m wrong on this, I’ve been around long enough I respect all your opinions and would like to hear your thoughts!)

    • I suspect you ARE wrong on Russia. They mostly don’t have the young people

      • Probably 🙂 I don’t have enough understanding of their actual current level of power. I suspect that a lot of what they are doing has been more about appearances. It’s not like Obama was going to do anything to really try and put him in check. It was an idea that was sparked during that very long phone conversation.

        Heh, this has been a fun place to throw stuff out and get interesting feedback!

        • It’s not like Obama was going to do anything to really try and put him in check.
          Or Bush. Remember that Georgia happened on his watch.

          • Point. Bush I can kind of see. The military was already pretty involved and I think he had way more concern for their well-being than Obama.

            Obama. . .I think Obama secretly wished he was Putin.

      • I think we missed an opportunity with Russia. If we had partnered up with Russian industries and businesses when the USSR broke up, then we might not be in opposition with each other today. Unfortunately, the rest of Europe would have had a cow if we did, and the Russian Kleptocracy might still have ended up in charge.

        • During that time in my life I was, well, I was drinking beer and chasing women while putting forth just enough effort to stay on the Dean’s List. Anyway, I thought some American companies did try and partner up with the Russians?

          Being young and stupid I thought since the USSR was becoming a ‘friend’ the world was due for a huge outbreak of peace. Oh, to be that young and stupid again!

        • Probably not. The way the Russians “privatized” their industries tended to involve auctions that only Soviet officials knew about. Remarkably enough, a disproportionate number of those officials were with the KGB.

        • Oh, HELL yes. Instead, when they came with hat in hand and asked Clinton for help, he told them to piss off.

      • “They mostly don’t have the young people.”

        The abortion rate in Russia is higher than the birth rate. Population suicide.

        • Last I heard they are trying to fix that but coz of readily available abortion bring ingrained in mindset there I am unsure if the church is making much headway.

          • They’ve gotten a significant reduction in the abortion rate, and more importantly a very significant one in suicides among the 20-something. Their 20-something female “accidental overdose” rate has gone way down, too.

            It’s still horrific, but it’s been touted among some of the … odder … simi-trad Catholic sites.

            • It’s been a while since I got curious enough to look, so this is a positive update for me. Thank you.

              • De nada.

                It gets pushed as pro-Russian propaganda quite a bit, on the basis of “hey look THEY are willing to make the Russian Orthodox Church part of their gov’t and isn’t it great”– and they’re singularly willing to ignore the Soviet history of how that works.

                • Yeah, I am aware of that slant. I sorta get the necessity though, because the amount of death was bad, and I get the impression they would like to avoid the China or Japan problem.

                  I would not be surprised if Japan implements a government level arranged marriage system, personally.

                  • I’m glad of the results, I am just not crazy enough to think that Putin does anything for a reason besides “it is what Putin wants”.

                    Japan doing something like that wouldn’t surprise me, either.

                    Heck, if they made it voluntary and put out some manga about it, it might be POPULAR.

                    • There is a manga about the hypothetical generation born almost completely of such a system, Love and Lie ot Koi to Uso.

                      The chapters are irritatingly short for me though…

                    • Despite my grumble about the chapters the manga is quite good, delving into the societal changes and resulting alteration of expectations and beliefs especially in Japanese society, where getting government notices of your arranged marriage partner would be seen as a ‘better’ arrangement than current omiai, where it is all completely voluntary. In the manga, while the acceptance of the notice is supposedly voluntary, there are other pressures in place, as rejecting it is seen as ultimately irresponsible and rebellious – things that are a bit ‘more acceptable’ in Western, especially American society, but not so much in Japan. There are some cultural mindsets in play that would be seen as completely irrational and incomprehensible to foreigners; but if seen as ‘you need to do what is necessary’ it kind of translates a bit better.

                    • Necessity, or maybe duty?

                    • Yeah, and it’s considered irresponsible to choose selfish love that might die out over the government-assigned spouse who you’d generally get along with but might not fall for and raise children with. (Some of the compatibility stuff includes personality traits and outlook in life.)

                    • I see Japan’s issue as being more of a cultural issue adopted from the West and American philosophy. Latter Day Saints and other religious sub groups, have sometimes more than 5 children per couple, irregardless of which nation they are in.

                      Even if Japan wants to promote marriage, they can’t resolve the social economic and religious problems blocking the child issue. People don’t want children because of primogeniture systems and because of the overall philosophy in effect.

                    • I think it’s more because they’ve got the same screwball notion pushed here that women need to “have it all” and they don’t have any room for failure– so women have to be both SuperMom and SuperWorker, and that means any guy whose wife doesn’t do it is also a failure. They don’t DO failure, nor do they have an “f off” option.

                      Basically, unless there’s something to break it, they’re being driven nuts– it’s like the Irish myths where the hero is killed by conflicting obligations.

                    • Japan’s culture doesn’t have a compromise option. Somewhere between Super Provider (dad), & Super Provider-Housekeeper-Mom (mom).

                      I can’t answer for others but our choice was: Provider-Housekeeper-mom-dad (both of us) & kid got to start pitching in on housekeeping chores at a relatively young age (got video to prove it**). Was everything done to perfection … heck no, who cares? Others? To others To-Damn-Bad!

                      ** Nothing cuter than a 4 year-old “showing” dad how to “properly” fold towels, or directing the leaf cleanup with his properly sized rakes (dad had to setup the yard can so kid could reach it to put leaves in it), or watch a 3 year old load split wood into grandpa’s pickup while dad & grandpa split it (pickup wood, put on step below pickup tailgate, climb on, put wood on tailgate, climb up, pick up wood haul it to stack in pickup & stack it – not tight, not great, but he “hlpd”).

                    • “Igoddid! Igoddid!”

                      For those not speaking excited three year old: I’ve got it!

                      AKA, don’t you dare help in a way I can identify. ❤

                    • The two-year-old going, “I want to HELP you!” is also heartmelting. 🙂

                    • Yes. “I hlp!” & “I hlpttd” is a joy.

                    • 🙂 🙂 😉

                      Been 26 years now, so thanks for the translation … plus only preschool teachers to translate every 2 to 3-year-old dialect’s.

                      Besides “I hlpd’ my other two remembers from (too far back then) were:

                      * “daddy brkttd oooon” – screamed out from the back of the car on our way home after spending family time with his same age cousin. The dads decided that with a partial moon showing during the day, that it was a good time to initiate the kids on “it is a big cookie in the sky & they’d taken a big bite out of it.” Spent the entire summer letting kid stay up late enough that he could see for himself all of the phases of the moon, plus showed him in a book. Kid denies it happened, dad can’t. Funny part wasn’t entirely the kid, it was dad trying to look small (not easy), & trying to keep from strangling from stopping laughing, & saying (before full disclosure) that the upset kid was probably (uhhh Probably?) his fault. FYI translation “Daddy broke the moon.”

                      * “daddy brkttd ‘s ‘ce” Dad always grew a beard when he was laid off during the winter, then he’d shave it when called back. So, having a toddler during “strangers are bad” phase, decided shaving then presenting to kid was not optional. Thus the bright idea to have quality dad/son time & kid could watch & somewhat “Help”. So, into the closed bathroom they went. Next thing I know I hear screeching/screaming/hysterics from said bathroom. I’m thinking the kid grabbed something sharp, he fell off something, noooo. Checked to be sure everything was okay, then walked (left quickly?) away … left dad to deal (hey, his bright idea). FYI translation “Daddy broke his face.”

                      No. Did not get video of either incident (darn it).

                    • Ouch, ouch, ouch….laughing too hard…..

                      ********
                      Our kids have an insane confidence in my ability to fix things.

                      ANYTHING.

                      Lots of panic when they insist I need to fix somebody….

                    • Sometimes heart breaking.

                      Our cousin, who was just under 2 years older than my siblings & mine’s oldest (so their playmate), was killed by a hit & run driver, when the youngest of the 8 cousins were 3 & 5. Hearing them say “Why won’t wake up?” at the church service was … hard.

    • Realistically speaking, not even at the height of the Soviet Empire could they have actually conquered Europe short of genocide of the conquered populace. They could make things an unholy mess, yes, and I’m not saying that they weren’t a threat, but their economy really couldn’t support the kind of campaign that would have been needed to subdue Europe.

      Nowadays, they don’t even have that good a chance. For all of Putin’s “RUSSIA STRONK!!!” propaganda, not only are they demographically screwed (as Sarah alludes to in her reply) their military is a shadow of its former self. They pretty much blew their load (so to speak) with their conquest of western Ukraine, and even then it wasn’t easy.

      • Thanks for the reply!

        I’d actually wondered about that. Whether it was more they were worried about making it a wider conflict if they tried to take all of Ukraine or whether the bit they grabbed was actually all they were capable of taking and holding.

        It was one of the ideas we were tossing around last night as a possibility, but neither of us really knew where to dig for the info to be able to judge the probability.

        • I believe (though offhand I don’t have cites for support of that belief) that it was partly capability, but also partly because they didn’t want it all. IIRC their primary concern was a warm water port, which they had but couldn’t really support if Ukraine got froggy, due to a lack of land route to their base in Sevastopol.

          • I do remember that was the claim. . .but I can also see that as a bit of sleight-of-hand. Since they aren’t trying to gobble the entire country there is less chance of anyone else getting involved. That makes it a good way to put themselves on the board as a ‘threat’ and potentially able to better use intimidation as a negotiation tactic. It also let’s them appear stronger since they can claim ‘Well, we didn’t really want the whole country. Just this bit right here’. (Again playing to potential intimidation angle). Past a certain point crap like this starts to give me headache.

            • Look at what they sent to Syria: Spetznaz (Special Forces), mercenaries and air power. And it’s the air power that’s made a difference, since Russian Air Tasking ROE is “Yes, Bomb Them All”.

              Note however that ISI was still a thing until the current administration loosened the ROE for our special forces and air – the Russians were dropping a lot of bombs, but once the US military was able to strike what they wanted to hit all along, hey presto, ISIS is twelve guys in a basement in eastern Syria.

              And Russia has been able to see what happens when they go up agains a first world Air Force – the Israelis basically can do whatever they want in Syria, and the Russians can’t even see the F-22s as they cruise the entire Syrian airspace.

              The big problem in that area now is Turkey.

              • Turkey is going to be interesting. I haven’t been following that as closely as I should. (Haven’t been following a lot of things as closely as I should lately, it has had the odd benefit that minus some phone conversations, I’ve been much happier NOT following all of that). Today was spent trying to figure out what I’d been missing.

      • Russia won’t have to conquer Eastern Europe or Austria, Hungary or Poland; the EU seems intent on driving those countries right back into Russia’s arms as they try to create a single EU state (essentially run by Germany and France) that will be a Fascist state comparable to a super-sized Mussolinni’s Italy as Germany apparently is intent on using the EU to create a Fourth Reich..

        • Hungary and Poland are very unhappy with the EU directives on “migrants.” And Croatia.. perhaps from having been a subject state to so many empires, is locking horns with the EU on… the right to keep and bear arms.

      • Lol and that’s why I want the bear-riding Putin statue.

      • Dan Hamilton

        Oh, Come now. Russian will be invited in to help them with their Muslim problem. And that will take so long and to do it they will have to have people in the governments that support them.

    • Another problem with Russia “saving” Europe is that it’s Western Europe that might need the saving. And to “save” Western Europe, Russia would first have to go through Eastern Europe.

      And things would have to be indescribably dire for Eastern Europe to allow itself to be “saved” by Russia…

  21. I think that something will “break” but I’m not particularly worried. I’ve been watching my state’s representatives (Dems) social media and people are nuts. But a lot of people aren’t nuts. What I mean is that there’s a certain level of hysterical spewing and it has a certain sound and there will be people on both sides doing this but relatively few “supporting” voices that sound sane and frankly, no one listens to the hysterics. They like talking to each other but the very broad middle who have their nice conversations with their nice friends just don’t see it. But loud enough and they will.

    And of course, any Republican that can’t get some really *excellent* campaign ads out of their rivals this fall deserve to loose.

    Take a random “OMG crying children” commenter and it’s like listening to complete idiocy as they scream about how no one could possibly stand to hear a child cry… and they’re talking to *parents* and often enough specifically trying to call on parents to view it all as a parent would with their child crying and people are like…. hullo? Have you even HAD children?

    Time after time, one huge amazing and irrefutable argument after another and it’s like they’re on another planet or a different reality. In that other reality it’s outrageous to be rude to a journalist, and *everyone* knows this, and no one was ever rude to a journalist in the history of History! RAWR! And you’re all like that chick taking the selfie with Trigglypuff in the back ground… that’s the expression on your face. (Don’t get me wrong, I have a lot of compassion for Triggly… I just put the blame where it belongs, on the “studies” professors and other hysterics telling her that her world is ending instead of helping her to be strong.) No one not fully in the grip of the mass hysteria could *possibly* take any of it seriously.

    Of course those who *are* and who *do* can do a whole lot of damage as they’re given moral permission to commit violence and be a hero for the cause, but the result isn’t going to be a *rally* of sane people who suddenly enter a mass hysteria they weren’t already in.

    • last week on one of my friend’s FB wall about the whole children separated from their parents thing, one of her friends said that she’s literally crying over these detentions and can’t sleep at night because of it.

      I’m over here going ‘Wha? You’ve not been sleeping for 20 years or you’ve not been sleeping since the media decided to make a huge deal about it this week? Because not sleeping for 20 years might explain quite a few things about you and your friends.’ The outrage over separating kids from criminals being dialed up to eleventy-nine has been almost as fun watching as the election coverage. Especially when it’s pointed out that all those photos they are circulating aren’t what they are purporting them to be.

      • Especially when it’s pointed out that all those photos they are circulating aren’t what they are purporting them to be.
        The progs may have taken over the media, but they’ve ended up reducing it to Palliwood. They used to be better at this stuff.

        • Each outrage cycle, it takes less time to unmask their deception.

          Not that they’re going to stop trying…

      • If someone was going to cry over something, how about cry over the kid they found alone along a road in the Arizona desert who told the officers that some men were taking him to his mother in America… his mother is probably in Mexico wondering where her son is today, but at least he was alive and unharmed and they just left him when they were far enough past the border not to need a “get out of detention free” card anymore.

        • ^^ This. ^^

          Aren’t the statistics of “separated” kids over 50% of unaccompanied?

          Plus. Every kid that comes over the border needs to be interviewed.
          1) Who brought you? Why?
          2) DNA against adult & kid. I *might* believe nursing mothers.
          3) DNA, Pictures, & Cite, & return across border (really don’t care if they belong in Mexico or not, that’s the border they crossed), they are Mexico’s problem. Provided truly family.
          4) All others. Prison time for child trafficking & return child to family (compassion). Keep DNA of child for future reference (family might have sent). 2nd time child caught, orphanage in home country, no parental notification.

          Publish above everywhere. No exceptions.

          • I don’t know, but the stat I’ve seen is that 80% of the accompanied minors are being used for entry by an unrelated adult. How is that not child trafficking?

            I like your suggestions, and shall pass them along. 😀

            • Fewer than 3k arrived with parents, as of Trumps executive order.

              Back in April, the number of unaccompanied minors in FY2018 was over thirteen thousand.

      • That time cover of the crying Honduran child turned out to be pretty ironic, didn’t it? 😀

        • Trump should invite the little girl’s father and family to come visit the White House, and personally be present when the little girl is returned to her father.

          😛

          The mother won’t be present, though, for obvious reasons…

      • Funny, they don’t seem to be upset when the various “Child Protective Services” yank kids from their families and disappear them into The System.

        From the far-too-many cases where there was no sensible reason for “why”, I have now come to the working conclusion that their budget and staffing is sufficient for “x” number of “clients.” When the number drops below that, they risk losing some budget during the next appropriation cycle, so they round up more “clients” more or less at random to keep the numbers up.

        And those are (for the most part) Americans, not border-jumping criminals…

        • I’ve seen it stated by folks in the system that they’re graded on “resolved” situations.

          The cases where kids really need to be taken away are pretty much never resolved. (unless it’s one of those hit the news cases where they’re dead a month or two after it’s been “resolved”)

          So they start weak cases that they’re pretty sure will be wash-outs, because that will show up as resolved.

  22. As someone who can’t stand crowds I know that some people do. They LOVE crowds. And it might be easy to say “well look at all the pussy hatters” and think that there were that many people who liked what Sasaur (?) was selling, but really, what percent listened or cared? They had fun pink hats (that are now “racist” because colored women don’t have pink genitals, I freaking kid you not) and got to hang out with other people and get all energized and if someone points out some of the stuff that was *said* by speakers they’ll just “oh, that’s just them expressing their frustration, they don’t mean it, we ought to all get to express our frustration,” and that will last just as long as they can pretend it’s just a party.

    And I think that’s ending soon. Very soon.

  23. richardmcenroe

    Kennedy just retired. Things will be… interesting…

  24. The news is out, Justice Kennedy has announced that he is retiring from the Supreme Court.

    This is going to be interesting.

    Maybe it would be better put by referring to the well known statement of Bette Davis’ character Margo in All About Eve, ‘fasten your seat-belts; it’s going to be a bumpy night.’

  25. can call themselves ANTI fascist with a straight face is one of the great ironies of our time.
    But not that surprising, really, when you realize that the “anti-fascists” back in the day were card-carrying communists. They had giant international meetings and everything (a lot like now, though twittage allows them to have their group jollies without the expense of travelling).

    I’m waiting for them to start wearing brown shirts
    Well, they’re sticking with their black shirts – as the “anti-fascist” communists they really are. The black motif has a long legacy, going back to those pre-WW2 Anti-Fascist meetings.

    Let’s make sure people know where “anti-fascist” really comes from, and why they practice the violence they do (again, the brownshirts weren’t the first folks to smash windows and such).

  26. I think I need to order some supplies. Water purifier and filters, camping gear, ammo, etc.

  27. “Reality-adjacent”

    What a lovely turn of phrase. 🙂

  28. that Obama was elected
    Well, arguably he was elected by the force of racial guilt. Numerous people I know voted for him the first time because he was black, and they wanted to see that line finally crossed. Yes, it’s a fundamentally racist attitude, given his lack of accomplishment.

    Would it have made any difference if we’d talked back, say 30 years ago?
    No, it didn’t. Remember the “militia movement”? It was a big deal 20-30 years ago. Everyone dismissed them as kooks. But they had their guerilla press and such (anyone remember Paladin Press?). And emails were beginning to flow, as well.

    But reality keeps hitting them in the face.
    It’s not hitting hard enough. *hands reality a shovel*

    I can hear the cannons in the distance.
    But the left just hears their canon…………….

    • Arguably he was elected by the dead rising and voting in record numbers.

      Just like JFK, the fix was in.

  29. Anybody remember Black Day in July? The day they burned down Detroit?

    That was a big deal. A big deal which came to -nothing-. So it will be this time.

    • from your mouth to G-d’s ears, but…

      • Do the math. Logistics: what would it take for them to -win-? Do they have that? Nope.

        • I don’t think that’s really the question. The question is, what can they force -us- to do in response. While they won’t like the answer to that, I don’t think we will either.

          It’s similar to Sarah’s discussion of how we need to convince the Middle Eastern fanatics not to force us to kill them, because we can, but we won’t like what we become in the process.

          • BobtheRegisterredFool

            What you mean we?

          • Rule of Law allows me to use lethal force against active threats to the lives of others, and myself. There is no like or dislike. It’s just a job that needs to be done. Now cleaning up afterwards, that I dislike.

            • Except in the People’s Republic of New Jersey.

            • In spite of the leftist mythology, doing what needs to be done in a war does not end up creating a generation of monsters. The dull plain 1950s in the US were the guys who had to strangle a German SS 17 year old kidwith their bare hands in the Ardennes ten years prior getting what they deserved: A quiet life with their wife raising the kids in safety and peace.

              Humans have been dealing with doing what is necessary for tens of thousands of years. It will not break those who have to do it in the future (hopefully, far; regrettably possibly, near) either.

            • Pretty much this. At that point it’s fight and maybe live, or not fight and die anyway. If nothing else thin the mob enough to give the next set of victims a better chance to fight them off or escape.

    • Eh, I don’t think I would say it came to nothing. In addition to creating a Gordon Lightfoot song (which, confession time, despite the politics I kind of like), it was the beginning of the end for Motown. One of America’s fastest growing cities, with the automobile industry and a popular musical culture, started its decent into the urban wasteland Detroit has become today.

      Multiply that by a hundred, in LA, New York, DC, San Francisco, Seattle, Austin, etc. and the result isn’t pretty. Despite my occasional comments about wanting to see some of these places blown off the map, I do think the country and the world would be a much poorer place without the Smithsonian, the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the Golden Gate Bridge, and the like.

      • BobtheRegisterredFool

        I hate museums and theaters. Give me a manufacturing environment I haven’t seen before.

      • C and I have already pretty much agreed not to go to San Francisco, ever. It’s too bad, as they have more than one really superb museum. But epidemiologically it’s not worth the risk.

        • SheSellsSeashells

          I am very, very glad I went to San Francisco during the mid-80s, because I doubt I’m ever going back.

          • Same here. One trip for business in 1978. Loved it. Actually ran into a high-school-buddy on the street-car!
            Won’t return.

    • Detroit had problems far beyond the riots.  The automobile industry which was the engine of the city’s growth suffered a string of hits, from the growing impact of the retirement packages negotiated with the unions which assumed continued expansion of the business, to effects of the OPEC embargo.  At the same time, after dominating the world market they faced the challenge of Japanese cars entering the market which were perceived to be better engineered had better gas mileage at a time where that mattered to the public.

      We had moved into center city and Daddy was working for the DA’s office in Philadelphia by the mid 1960s.  I have reason, therefore, to remember the Long Hot Summer of 1967 (according to Wiki there were some 157 riots) and the 1968 Holy Week Riots that followed the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr, four of which remain among the country’s most costly.

      Riots are dangerous, destructive and costly in the neighborhoods in which they occur.  Lives, residences, businesses and jobs can be lost.  Yet I have lived in two different cities when riots have occurred in them, and I can tell you that there was little real disruption for most of the people in either of those cities.

      This country has seen periods of massive unrest before and recovered.  I can see that we are entering a ‘hot’ period, but while it may seem like it from the way the news reports it, most of the country is not about to riot.

      • > string of hits

        The chief among them being the manufacture of products that few people wanted to buy. In the 1970s and 1980s they had the idea people had no choice but to buy their cars. A great many people were willing to pay a premium for vehicles that didn’t suck fuel, Diesel after being turned off, had doors and hoods that fit, and didn’t need an engine rebuild at 75,000 miles.

        Various foreign manufacturers had no problem coming up with cars customized to match the American market. “You want what? Done!”

        • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

          Detroit tried to sell cars in Japan that were made for the US market.

          The problem is that the Japanese drive on the “wrong side of the road” for American cars.

          The Japanese made cars that were made for driving in the US.

          Idiots. 😦

          • Having been on a Japanese highway I can say that to drive an American car on it would be akin to taking an ocean tankers through the Erie canal.

            Yeah, that will work real well. You think?

            • Detroit vs. the foreigners had many parallels to tradpub vs. the indies.
              Top-down marketing and being blind to competition coming from a different angle being chief among them…

          • Back around 1990ish I knew someone in SoCal who made a very good living exporting used pickup trucks to Japan. (As I recall her profit margin was about 5 grand apiece.)

            The criteria, aside from pristine condition, were: king cab, long bed, dually, and preferably lifted, 4×4, and Ford.

            Why? Because they were status symbols. Their new owners couldn’t drive them, they wouldn’t even fit on the roads, but they sure looked spiffy out in the front yard.

      • The problem isn’t riots, it is insurrection. We are still at the bloody Kansas stage, No John Brown at the armory. Although you can draw the parallel of the south seizing military assets prior to Lincoln’s taking office to what is happening with the California succession attempt.

        • Nah, not really. I have seen worse in my lifetime, including 1972 when there was an average of nearly five bombings a day.

          I would argue that the extreme left wants to see a panic, and it would behoove us all to deny them it.

          • I’m quite happy to watch THEM panic for a change. This is the first time most of these dickheads haven’t gotten exactly what they wanted just by making a fuss, and they can’t handle it. Tantrum time!

            Hell, the whole Canadian government is having a collective tantrum right now. The TV ads for the next election are going to be AWESOME! ~:D

        • Not sure if people know this or not, but John Brown was radicalized because he fought for abolitionist Kansas vs Pro slave missouri slave raiders and ethnic cleansers. That is why, because he saw what happened to Kansas, that he wanted to prevent further bloodshed by arming people up.

  30. once again, you get a musical comment:

    (btw, i do actually reccomend the film)

  31. How many of us have daydreamed about a second American Revolution?

    Not me– by the time I knew it was bad, I knew a revolution would be just as much slow, messy work, but AFTER a nasty fight.

    • Momentarily when I was a freshman in high school I might have entertained the idea of revolution. I was a bit of a romantic young hormonal fool, then I grew up, learned a bit and became more rational. You are correct, it would be lots of slow, messy work following a nasty (add costly) fight.

      • Stick to daydreams.

        At night, they’re just plain old nightmares. And I’ve never been sure what sort of war they are, other than modern

  32. The potential civil war flashpoint that I’m most concerned about right now is a successful impeachment of President Trump for what even the most biased observer can tell is spurious. People like Tom Steyer would happily do it. And it would push the frustration of the anti-establishment through the roof.

    That could very well trigger a civil war.

    Fortunately, I don’t think it’ll happen. But if it somehow did…

    • Or, an even worse flashpoint, the assassination of President Trump or a member of his family. Although I suspect that the true Fort Sumter moment of Civil War 2.0 was the attempted assassination of Steve Scalise and a baseball team’s worth of his GOP colleagues by a Democrat loon suffering from a CNN overdose.

      I’ve never before seen the media and Hollywood openly inciting violence against conservatives and Republicans the way they are today. Which makes the kneejerk finger-pointing by the media over today’s Maryland newspaper shooting particularly hilarious, for certain values of hilarity.

      • I’m curious what the background is on that shooting. The shooter definitely didn’t act like the typical mass shooter. There’s some strange oddities about him, like the report that he apparently removed his fingerprints beforehand.

        • Jake Tapper tweeted out that the guy had been identified, and had previously sued that newspaper for defamation in 2012 (the case was dismissed).

          So at this point, it looks like personal animus rather than political motive.

  33. BobtheRegisterredFool

    Ugh. I just figured out some of the implications of that Purge movie showing on July 4th.

    • What their fantasies go to, if you just change the names around a bit.

      (Tho, personally, if there was such an event, I’d run a massive street party with our own laws if it happened. “If the State fails to provide law and order at this time, we shall provide our own. And, we have gallows.”)

      • BobtheRegisterredFool

        Youtube showed me the trailer again. The marketing can be understood as pro political violence propaganda.

  34. In the meantime, I’m not going to back down. I am perhaps fortunate in that I really don’t have to hide in the closet to have a chance at a writing career. (Although maybe I should hide myself in the closet with the computer for a few months. I’m sure the family will poke food through the cracks every so often…).

    Although I apparently managed to make an “influential” enemy yesterday. http://www.thepassivevoice.com/laura-ingalls-wilder-hits-the-pc-guillotine/#comment-417110

    Ah well. I’ll sleep just fine tonight.

    • Thanks for the link; I’ve had my flabber nearly gasted to extinction over the Ingalls imbroglio the last few days.
      I liked the comments at that post, and also this from the post it quoted:
      http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/laura-ingalls-wilder-hits-pc-guillotine

      “Instead of wading through the ugliness and eventually letting it die in subsequent generations, we choose to erase any indication of a problem. It seems we would rather cover the ugly realities of our past than look them square in the face, admit the wrong, and keep it before us as a lesson to never go there again. This is what we’ve done with numerous monuments, and it’s what we’re now doing with a woman who is basically the mother of American children’s literature.

      Is that really the kind of lesson we want to teach our children? To cover the problems of the past and anyone associated with them? To run away from something and leave good behind just because there is a small portion that makes us realize life isn’t as perfect as we want to believe?

      If the PC craziness can topple Laura Ingalls Wilder, then it can topple just about anything. Do we really want to live in the bland society this attitude will eventually bring?”

      • Here is a good article from NRO that I found interesting and on point.

        https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/laura-ingalls-wilder-alsc-award-removal/

        “This brave new world of erasure threatens to wipe out such questions, favoring instead a history of “inclusivity” that respects nothing of the past, denies the integrity of beloved authors, and responds only to that which is most trendy and politically correct. Through her stories of the little houses Pa and Ma built across the West, Laura Ingalls Wilder constructed the parameters of children’s literature. Naming the Wilder Medal in her honor reflected her immense contribution to the genre. Renaming the medal with the generic title, Children’s Literature Legacy Award, uncovers the motives of the ALSC: removal, if not complete destruction, of a beloved coming-of-age story set in the complicated context of westward expansion, depicting one of American children’s literatures greatest heroines, Laura Ingalls.

        The rejection of the author and the rejection of her semi-autobiographical novels produce the same result: In favor of safe spaces and trigger-free zones, this country’s professional librarians seek to destroy the literary heroine that millions of American girls (and boys) identified with and aspired to emulate. In doing so, they seek to destroy us all and re-make us in their own image, based on their core values of inclusivity and responsiveness, rounded out by respect (properly placed, of course) and their version of integrity. Join me in being naughty on the inside (one of my favorite aspects of young Laura’s character) by refusing to accept the Association of Library Services to Children’s version of Laura Ingalls Wilder. We know better.”

      • BobtheRegisterredFool

        There are two practical problems with what they are attempting.

        One of the PV comments contained a millennial’s estimate that their year zero censorship efforts would bear fruit in ten years. Youngster apparently doesn’t have much contact with people even a little older. They apparently aren’t aware of millennial paleocons. Nor have figured out that the millennial alt-right is people basically raised on leftism without any real exposure to paleocon ideals. Forcible conversion to socialism without murdering dissidents has the issue that people will not do only what you want with the ideas you hand them.

        The second issue is erasing or handwaving away inconvenient facts, removing them from polite discussion, simply means that when people discover they are true, they will be more inclined to trust the people who brought the truth to their attention. See esr’s argument regarding why the truth of crime statistics should not only be discussed by white supremacists.

        By standards they have for claiming that Little House was revisionist history, they are themselves indicted. The modern Democratic Party has more ties to violent white supremacism than it likes to admit. In particular, certain state Democratic Parties did not switch places with their respective Republican Parties. At best for the Democratic claim in these cases is the theory that both state parties could be considered descended from the historical state Democratic Party. The Democratic Presidential candidate last cycle was Hillary Clinton, who has deep ties to the Arkansas Democratic Party, which shares some of the blame for the 1919 Elaine, Arkansas white supremacist massacre of a hundred people. Sanders was pretty much a self described Nazi.

        • The next “banned books” month should feature nothing but Little House.

          (Yes, I know the books are not banned, but NONE of the books in “banned books” month are banned… unless “banned” means “someone complained about it once and fussed at a school librarian.”)

        • . They apparently aren’t aware of millennial paleocons.

          If you don’t have an idiot* like me around, it’s very easy to not realize people don’t actually agree with you and the “correct” views.

          And people still will assume I’ve got the “correct” views. After all, the news and authorities and even conservatives all agree, no millennials are conservatives, right?

          * I generally figure out I shouldn’t have said anything about five minutes after I did.

          • The Latter Day Saint community has reliable conservative alliances from the youth. But since it is less than 2% of the US pop, people kind of glide on past under the radar.

            Same reason people don’t count the Amish and the Jehovah Witnesses, but the last two don’t usually vote. Mitt Romney and Prop 8 in California are proof that this sub culture in the US is politically non neutral at least at times.

  35. I’ve seen enough people violently killed that I’m not eager to add to the score. On the other hand I don’t want to be added to the score. So I practice…

  36. Not on that map. But on a percentage of vote by county map, search as “purple America” map. Sorry I could not get the link to copy.
    I fear that the progs really will be that stupid, especially if a Constitutional conservative is confirmed to the Supreme Court in place of Kennedy, and they pull off a defeat in the Midterms. As I hope they will.
    JPDev

  37. I enjoyed this post. Partly because the grammar and arguments tickled the Intellectual side of me. For the same reason it might just go over the heads of most people. Like migratory animals conditioned to follow the paths of their predecessors even as that which sustains the herd is no longer present, so too do those of the witless masses. It would seem that all the bastard children of Marx suffer the same chronic malady.

    But as Napoleon was quoted as saying “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake”. Perhaps we should accept that as an advantage.

  38. Trying to communicate Civil War 2 back in 2007, 08, and 09 was pretty much impossible and various other things too.

    The Leftist alliance is composed of 1000+ factions and US Civil war 2 will be at least 1000 factions in a free for all. Too much prosperity draws in the gold diggers, then they kill each other over claims. Gold is actually pretty valuable and not because of fiat or not currency. Gold was used as a catalyst for various quantum effects, also known in history as magic or spiritual processes.

    The Leftist alliance does lack a severe level of military tactics and strategic resources. However, the same is not true for the Deep State. The DS has large reserves of resources which the Leftist alliance is not given. Even if the Left loses the civil war later, the patriots will be so divided and weakened that the DS can land the final hammer blow, or Islam will either way.

    • Please tell me English is your second language; otherwise we’ll need some dressing to go with that word salad.

      Also please take the 9/11 trutherism elsewhere.

      • The Deep State is more than enough for most people’s diets, no need for salad and dressing. Thousand is pretty good though.

        Also what is 9/11 trutherism?

        • what planet are you from that you don’t know what that is?

          • The one that is less stressful. Do you know what the third skill in force absorption is for chi gong and Tai chi, Draven?

            • No, and that has exactly zero relevance to this conversation. I’m not the one posting truther crud and acting like i dion’t know what it is.

              • Based on some of the other things he’s posting, I suspect a troll.

                • A troll makes statements that provoke people and then refuses to answer questions or engage in a conversation. That label would apply to people provoking me in replies more than anything else.

                  • You come in here posting blatantly false information (that video) and accuse US of provoking you? Yup, troll. Shoo. You’re not even a tasty troll. You’re just another conspiracy theorist who gets their panties in a wad when people call them on their absurdity.

                    • I like how humans project their flaws upon others with the labeling. It’s so cute, but not quite adorable.

                      If any human is capable of calling me on their absurdity, I would be damned if I would not be interested in seeing them try.

                      You’re just another conspiracy theorist who gets their panties in a wad when people call them on their absurdity.

                      When this is the example of talking reason, we might as well just call ourselves Leftists and exchange “conspiracy theorist” with the term “racist” or some other label like Cis Normal, and it would work just as well.

                      It’s a good thing I’m not part of this Normalized Rational Red vs Blue fight people seem to get excited about.

                      Does it make you, a human Wyr, feel so much superior to other people by calling them trolls and conspiracy theorists?

                      You want to know what I think of that….

                    • I recommend you look up ‘9/11 trutherism’ and actually look at what you’ve been spouting here. It might help you understand the reactions you’re getting. Folk here tend to call it like they see it. Your behavior says ‘troll who’s going fishing’. The hostess has vouched for you so I’m laying off.

                    • When a person belittles other human beings, Wyr, and labels them, it is their responsibility to define what they are talking about. It is not the responsibility of those under University tribunal to define what white patriarchy is and how they are innocent of it.

                      The excuse that “well, it is status quo consensus, get used to it”, doesn’t work all the time.

                      I could look up the term “racist” whenever I ask the Leftists what they mean by that term, but it wouldn’t actually apply. The way people use certain labels is not the same as how other people use them. It’s a result of free will. People are free to think and do certain things that others don’t like to see.

                      So the question still stands if you want to actually talk instead of flinging accusations and war rhetorical labels at me. I notice the original two people have quit or continued on their peaceful day. That’s fine. You want to continue, Wyr? Go ahead, if not… shrugs. Mohs 10+ hardness defense here.

                      What is this 9/11 Trutherism? If you don’t want to talk about it fine. I introduced a video about energy research that uses data from some towers falling on 2001. This is a technological conference, not a who or why did it dunnit conference. But people are free to create and attend those too; you won’t hear bad things about people utilizing their free will from me…

                      Did the people that want to talk about 9/11 trutherism to derail the entire multiple topic of my comment/thread, did they actually review the video? If not, I have no idea what they are talking about.

                    • your video is 9/11 trutherism masquerading as energy research, or the part where it makes clear it isn’t is so far into the video that none of us are willing to watch that long. Either way, the video wasn’t appropriate to the conversation we were having, the post, or any other conversation thread under the post, so i fail to see how the video, just like your out-of-left-field t’ai chi question, are relevant to the discussion.

                    • When a person belittles other human beings, Wyr, and labels them, it is their responsibility to define what they are talking about.

                      She gave you an explination.

                      She is not required to give you an understanding, much less a liking of what you hear.

                      Your understanding of humans and their normal, healthy function, much less their obligations, is thus far…not such that it will acquire respect.

                • I know him from neo-neo con, where he was okay, otherwise I’d not have approved his comment.

                  • He seems to be going full Conspiracy nut, but you vouch for him, I’ll lay off.

                  • This is my nice guy, old VoxDay, behavior. Back before he became bitter at Tor, publishers, and various political socio philosophical factors.

                    VD said I was an ignoramus on his blog for saying his commenters were some generalized label or what not, and told me to read his archives or something. Which I did, and I found that old post of his before he became radicalized and slightly less tolerant. He wrote a rather Christian and tolerant and even forgiving post about that conservative radio talk show host, Rush somebody forgot his name for a moment, when Rush was talking about his prescription drug issues. Then I fast forward to 2015 and I’m like… what happened to this guy.

                    Before reading Larry (apparently he’s a Mormon from an interview I saw, which puts him in the same organization as Harry Reid and Mitt Romney, which is ironic to say the least), I didn’t know that Baen authors even had political views and blogs. (Baen military sci fi was very useful in comprehending certain political and military campaigns in 2003-2007 Iraq) And I only read Larry Correia’s articles because VoxDay kept talking about Sad Puppies and what not. That was an unexpected but not unwelcome intersectional coincidence.

                    What people say to get a reaction out of me here is not in anyway superior or equivalent to what VoxDay’s commenters are like. They talk about having a hard skin and being some kind of Alinsky freezers, but compared to that, I’m beyond Mohs 10 in terms of defense strength. In fact, many people don’t like how I reflect their attack strength back on them. It’s a Tai Chi thing.

                    People, especially in the States, would feel a lot better if they weren’t engaged in this do or die struggle based on fear, political power, and “Us vs them” mentalities; the Deep State is just one facet of it.

                    The point of this comment of mine is to illustrate why and how I understand human psychology and why certain things don’t really bother me any more. Looking at the Alt Right and J Peterson, apparently things are changing. People are free to accept or reject whatever information they want to, online. If some video or information isn’t valid, people can choose to ignore it or attack it. Correia often writes about how his views often rub people the wrong way. I can see how that works. The free will of people to accept or reject information challenges the status quo, including the Deep State or what I like to call the Leftist alliance (Jihadists + American traitors). People get angry and go on the attack, to defend their identities and pet theories, when they feel their status quo is being challenged. I see that all the time now a days.

                  • This is my nice guy, old VoxDay, behavior. Back before he became bitter at Tor, publishers, and various political socio philosophical factors.

                    VD said I was an ignoramus on his blog for saying his commenters were some generalized label or what not, and told me to read his archives or something. Which I did, and I found that old post of his before he became radicalized and slightly less tolerant. He wrote a rather Christian and tolerant and even forgiving post about that conservative radio talk show host, Rush somebody forgot his name for a moment, when Rush was talking about his prescription drug issues. Then I fast forward to 2015 and I’m like… what happened to this guy.

                    Before reading Larry (apparently he’s a Mormon from an interview I saw, which puts him in the same organization as Harry Reid and Mitt Romney, which is ironic to say the least), I didn’t know that Baen authors even had political views and blogs. (Baen military sci fi was very useful in comprehending certain political and military campaigns in 2003-2007 Iraq) And I only read Larry Correia’s articles because VoxDay kept talking about Sad Puppies and what not. That was an unexpected but not unwelcome intersectional coincidence.

                    What people say to get a reaction out of me here is not in anyway superior or equivalent to what VoxDay’s commenters are like. They talk about having a hard skin and being some kind of Alinsky freezers, but compared to that, I’m beyond Mohs 10 in terms of defense strength. In fact, many people don’t like how I reflect their attack strength back on them. It’s a Tai Chi thing.

                    People, especially in the States, would feel a lot better if they weren’t engaged in this do or die struggle based on fear, political power, and “Us vs them” mentalities; the Deep State is just one facet of it.

                    The point of this comment of mine is to illustrate why and how I understand human psychology and why certain things don’t really bother me any more. Looking at the Alt Right and J Peterson, apparently things are changing. People are free to accept or reject whatever information they want to, online. If some video or information isn’t valid, people can choose to ignore it or attack it. Correia often writes about how his views often rub people the wrong way. I can see how that works. The free will of people to accept or reject information challenges the status quo, including the Deep State or what I like to call the Leftist alliance (Jihadists + American traitors). People get angry and go on the attack, to defend their identities and pet theories, when they feel their status quo is being challenged. I see that all the time now a days. I approve of humans changing themselves, but I prefer to change myself for a more peaceful and harmonious life rather than a life of eternal war. Although I suppose that’s not really up to me, after decades of training for H2H.

              • Since you have decided to call me a liar and names, Draven, what exactly is the point to this “conversation” of yours except trolling.

                Just as Leftists call people racists for asking questions, you have chosen a similar path in the ethics of life. Is a question so threatening to your socio political world view, Draven. No wonder I don’t live on the “same planet” as you, heh.

                • At no point did I call you a liar. Or call you names. I used a commonly used idiom for someone acting as if they have never heard a term before , when said term in this case has been in common use since approximately September 2001.

        • kenashimame

          9/11 Trutherism is the belief that the 9/11 attacks were no purported by 19 Islamic Jihadists and the attacks were part of a plot by the US government to bring about the Invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.

          • kenashimame

            “… were no purported…”

            Sigh, I really should learn to type and spell..

            “… were not perpetrated…”