Hollywood: “Take what we give you, and shut up!” – by the Phantom (reblogged from his blog) with commentary by Sarah
In the latest in a series of science fiction fandom witch burnings, we have this article in Forbes magazine:
Kathleen Kennedy Is Still The Best Person To Make ‘Star Wars’ Movies
The reason I post this apologia to the Disney gods is the virulent language in it. It reads like a comment at Vile 666 or Floppy Cameltron. Or maybe Jezebel. Emphasis and colours mine.
[And bracketed comments mine.]
Rumors surfaced this week that Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy might step down from company leadership in the aftermath of Solo: A Star Wars Story’s box office failure. This comes amid rampaging racism, sexism, and other extreme toxic behavior from a segment of mostly male (and mostly white) fans who’ve taken to harassing female actors and artists for existing. This is all part of a larger bigoted backlash of complaints against Star Wars for incorporating people of color and other types of diversity into the previously predominantly white male storytelling.
[You know, it’s very weird that they bring in the same thing every time. “Racism and sexism” — even though I’ve seen absolutely zero comments about having a black character. (Understand, okay, I don’t have a dog in this fight. At the risk of being burned at the stake, I never took to Star Wars. You see, when it came out I was reading science fiction, and had explored ideas far more threatening and interesting than Star Wars. And I’m not visual, so the special effects did nothing for me. I’d seen better in my head.) Zero, zip none. And all the problems I’ve heard about the female character have to do with her springing up fully formed and perfect, like Athena from Zeus’ head and therefore us not seeing her struggle up in a hero’s journey kind of way. The other problems I’ve heard come from the left’s obsession that I call “no one is good, Mr., no one is clean.” They broke up marriages, made people miserable and had kids turn out bad. Look, I’m not a novice at this story telling thing. Nihilism doesn’t sell. It just doesn’t. It can for a while — Game of Thrones — given enough push, but if it continues to be all “no one turns out all right” it just crashes. And Star wars didn’t start out nihilist but as a thing of hope for the future. They could ponder that. They might even be able to figure out why they always go to nihilism and darkness (my guess? to soothe the hatred and envy that propelled them to a philosophy that hinges on envy and makes it a virtue. But hey, I could be wrong. They could be doing it to sound “intellectual.”) However, examining their actions is so horrifying and scary they prefer to cast their sins upon the dissenting scapegoat — in this case the whole public — and send us out into the desert as “racist, sexist” (did they forget homophobic this time?) I don’t know about you but when you are that afraid to look upon yourself in the mirror, it’s because you know a monster will stare back.- SAH]
That’s the first three sentences. Yes, you read that right, Solo, or Soylo as they are saying over at Ace of Spades, is tanking -hard- at the box office, and the reason is… the audience is a bunch of toxic racist fanbros. Yep. Movie tanks, blame the -audience-. Oh, and shut up!, because ain’t nobody got time for none of your “extreme toxic behavior.”
[It’s amazing how many “racist fanbros” there must be. I mean, to make a box office hit it takes a broad, broad segment of the population. If Hollywood really thinks that many of us are “racist fanbros” maybe they should decamp our shores and go make movies in some headland of enlightment like Cuba, or… or the United Arab Emirates. No? I know, I know, Venezuela. They can be paid in flamingo steaks!- SAH]
Amazing in Forbes magazine, right? But wait, there’s more! The next three paragraphs:
Mindless screams of “keep your politics out of my entertainment” abound from that corner of fandom ignorant of the most basic facts about what the films say and represent (the Empire’s designs and titles were heavily influenced by fascism and Nazi imagery, the Ewok uprising was a veiled commentary about the Vietnam War, and the entire concept is about rebelling against authoritarianism and fighting back against oppression and slavery).
[Yeah, and what Hollywood should ask itself is why the “racist fanboys” didn’t mind it then. No, please, don’t tell us that it’s because they didn’t catch on. Before Kathleen Kennedy was out of diapers (I have no idea how old she is, but she is still in mental diapers, so roll with it) and before I’d left college, I’d read analysis of the politics in Star Wars written by people on all sides of the political spectrum who were fans of the movies. (BTW if people on our side are right, then the Empire was actually supposed to be the evolution of the USA. Yeah, this is me rolling eyes so hard. Yeah, people saw those politics. They were also glad that Lucas, like a great many artists before and after him was lousy at transcribing his political idiocy into movie, so what came across was often the opposite of what he meant.)
Why do they assume we don’t see politics in the original? Look, political stories on both sides have succeeded and become beacons in the field. The Foundation, The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, and a long list of others. We saw the politics, thank you so much, and something from politics we didn’t like might not be our favorite, but it might still be cherished. Why? Because there was a story there, and we LIKED stories. That’s why we read.
Any explanation of failure that says it failed because we’re racist and sexist ignores the basics of what is ultimately the most open of the genres. Guys, we like stories about people with many sexes, or none. (One of my favorites, whose name and author I keep forgetting because I read it in Portuguese in 9th grade where it was called, if I recall “Os Duros” the species was energy beings with three sexes. Another favorite growing up was The Left Hand of Darkness. My very first published work had a sex-shifting elf. I’m sure I’m neither rare nor unusual among SF/F fandom.) Some of our favorite characters are reptilian aliens. “Racism, sexism” is a lousy explanation.
Yes, it’s one that Hollywood — and publishing — have told themselves for a long time. Outside Baen it’s hard to publish books with gay characters — in my experience — because the rest of publishing is terrified of invisible homophobes in the audience. It’s hard to publish characters of a different race — in my experience — because publishing is convinced flyover country is racist. I’m sure despite the fact that EVERY ACTION HERO published in the last ten years is a woman they think we’re sexist too.
It might really help — really — if instead they looked at the screeds disguised as books that they publish, and realized that’s what makes them tank, not unusual characters, etc.
And Hollywood, and Ms Kennedy, that goes double for you. When you publish pictures like this:
you think you’re making a bold statement. And you are. It’s just not the one you think you’re making.
You think you’re standing up against “racists” in the field and telling them to shut up. What you’re actually doing is telling us you’re twelve and your version of feminism is to paint a sign saying “No icky boys allowed.”
That’s fine, but I think we found the sexist. It’s you!
Real feminism, and real fight for equality does not consist in excluding a sex. Only hysterics are so terrified of men that they must exclude them in order to be “equal.”
Let’s put this way, woman, you just insulted half of your audience and told them they’re not wanted. You also just displayed SUCH stunning levels of immaturity and virtue signaling that even women with half a brain know your movies are going to be ham-fisted preaching fests, the kind we don’t like in church, much less in a theater we pay to enter. In what world does this end well? It might feel good, but do you want to do that? Perhaps a little less self-indulgence and a lot more trying to engage the audience instead of screaming at them? – SAH]
This is the same group of fans, remember, whose entire rant is rooted in their own personal politics and a desire to see their personal preferences projected onto the screen while nobody else is entitled to the same right or representation. That enraged reactionaries want to deny everybody else equal representation while demanding their own right to be heard and obeyed is hardly new or shocking, of course. These types of vulgar fans always existed, because fandom is just a portion of the population as a whole, and the population always includes angry self-entitled bigots.
[I find it hilarious they call people like me, who want to abolish as much of the state as possible, and live in never-before-tried freedom reactionary. But hey, they also call people like me racist and sexist when we say it’s the individual that counts. They are semantically incoherent.
And again, I don’t understand what the hell they’re screaming about. No, seriously. Throughout my entire life, one side of the conversation has held Hollywood — the left. Movies like “Reds” weren’t made by the right, the glorification of the sixties protesters wasn’t an artifact of the right, etc. So, who the hell wants to deny who “representation?” We’ve had plenty of action-hero females, plenty of male castrati, plenty of people of all colors — hey, one of my favorite sf movies remains Independence Day — so… why would these “reactionaries” (Really, do you get your entire vocabulary from “the Illustrated Lenin for children”?) only react NOW?
Perhaps there’s something more going on. Look in the mirror, you assholes, look. You feel threatened and you’re everything you accuse us of being. – SAH]
In other words, it’s fine to ignore them and to not care what they want or what they say, and to deny them the myopic whitewashed world they demand. They don’t deserve representation of their ideas, since their ideas are backward, hateful, and devoid of merit in the first place. If you scream in anger about seeing other people represented, if you harass and insult and threaten marginalized people for daring to exist and to appear in movies, then you and your beliefs have no place in modern storytelling or modern society (except as villains to be defeated and cast aside forever).
[Marginalized people… like people who disagree with your ideas? Like the many writers, artists and creatives you’ve kept out because no matter how good they are, they’re just not “good people”? Like people who, by opening their mouth once and saying “That’s not exactly true” render their work unacceptable to you forever?
It must be. Because other than that, WHO IS MARGINALIZED in entertainment in the 21st century? Who isn’t represented, in proportion and beyond proportion to the population? Who?
As for ideas being backward and hateful and devoid of merit, you mean like the collectivist ideas that caused the death of AT LEAST a hundred million innocents throughout the world? You flaming hypocrites, you power seekers. The rot of a HUNDRED MILLION graves calls out against you, even as the dead hands of Stalin and Mao creep up your asses to manipulate your unthinking brains. No wonder you’re afraid of the mirror. We know the monster that looks back.
No one threatens “marginalized people.” You’re the gatekeepers. You’re the ones who marginalize, unperson and isolate. Look at yourself, LOOK.
As for “beliefs have no place in modern story telling”…. Yeah, we’ve seen it. Oh we’ve seen it. You create straw opponents who are racist, sexist, homophobic and either become enlightened and repentant, or die horrible deaths, and then you dance around proclaiming victory. You have no idea what individualists actually stand for. You create your tower of unfalsifiable beliefs and then dance around proclaiming virtue. I’d call you kindergartners, except kindergartners don’t have gatekeeping power and probably wouldn’t use it to support genocidal philosophies- SAH]
Yeah! De-platform those assholes! No place in modern storytelling! Wait, wut?
Who -is- this maniac? Well, he’s this guy. Mark Hughes.
|Mark Hughes, screen writer and SJW weenie.|
I work as a screenwriter for film and TV. In a former life I was a media specialist & campaign ad writer.
I think he left out a word. He meant to say DEMOCRAT campaign ad writer.
Thing is, I’ve seen this reaction before. Remember Fantastic Four? We were all nerd-racists for saying that was going to suck, right? Then when Marvel Comics was tanking hard in April last year? That was nerd-racism then, too. The four years of the Sad Puppies Campaign, super-duper nerd-racism. Kicking nerd-racist Conservative authors out of Guest-of-Honor spots at conventions, totally consistent with the narrative.
[PARTICULARLY the Sad Puppies campaign, of whom ONE person qualified as a white male and two as white females (though one a severely disabled one.) All of us Dudebro racist and sexist. Which took effort. Like, sex and race change operations. They’ll do ANYTHING to avoid that mirror. ANYTHING. One is starting to wonder if it’s their own hateful beliefs they avoid, or if they’re aware of their stunning lack of talent and that it’s only virtue signaling and liberal privilege that keeps them making money. – SAH]
Prediction: If she doesn’t get fired over the failure of Solo, Kathleen Kennedy will double down on the SJW themes for the next Star Wars. There will be gay droids and trans Jedi, disabled POC heros and the whole quilt-bag full of progressive agenda goodness. The movie will suck, the box-office will bomb harder than a B-52 squadron, and Ms. KK will be violently defended by Mark Hughes. Right before they fire her.
[Because of course, Kathleen Kennedy and her ilk are unable to conceive of people except as widgets within groups. So these characters will not be real or resemble anyone alive or dead (as the disclaimer goes) because they’ll come from a planet where you are your minority and oppression group ONLY. (I think we found the racist, sexist homophobic, too.) So the story will be about as much fun as reading The Communist Manifesto, but infinitely longer. And of course, the unfalsifiable beliefs of the left, that equate political signaling with quality will insist that the only reason it can fail is that the people are bad and evil. The same people who, for years before the left went full potato supported lavishly filmmakers with whose political opinions they disagreed (and yes, we saw the. You leftists are about as stealthy as Godzilla in a ninja costume. But we didn’t care as long as the story and characters were good.) – SAH]
Dear Disney, save yourself the money and fire her now. Your shareholders will thank you.
[For sure. Another characteristic of the left is that you’ll never be enlightened enough for them. Not until “capitalism” is destroyed, and everyone is forced to watch movies that are “good for them.” Walt Disney is spinning so fast in his grave, you could power California from the movement. This is not what Disney’s massive fortune and power are founded on. But hey, if you want to squander it in virtue signaling, you can lose it all. That’s fine too.- SAH]
The Phantom NerdRacist.
[by which he means the kind of racist who doesn’t care what color people or characters are provided they’re decent people and interesting characters.
It is weird the left now insists that “color blind”is “erasing people of color” and therefore racist. This only makes sense if to you “people of color” are ONLY the color and not individuals. So you see only the relative level of tanning, and you consult the chart of relative victimhood. You don’t see that people are people and individuals are individuals, and in fact racists are ones that view the whole world through the lens of race.
Boy, oh, boy, Hitler would love YOU.
Once again you are revealing the ugly biases and monstrous beliefs that you try to project onto us.
And because you follow the same path of unpersoning large sections of the population, YOU my dear leftists would bring about the same hell Hitler caused if you ever got power. Because, yeah, Hitler was a despicable racist. So was FDR. And? It’s believing that some segment of people aren’t “really people” that unfolds the horrors of Hitler, or Stalin or Mao, the last two having unleashed their horrors not on races as such, but groups they defined as non-human. Not worthy of being heard. Standing in the way of progress. As you do.
Fortunately a lot of us will make sure you never get that power. Unlike you, most of us have children and grandchildren and other kids we care about. We’re not fighting for these big lumpen “groups” you’re so fond of. We’re fighting for real people. And we’ll make sure you don’t spread your poison to them. Because with your philosophies, it always ends in the mass graves. – Sincerely yours, Sarah A. Hoyt, who you assure me is a (racist, sexist, homophobic, da.) Mormon White Male.]