We Won’t Wear Pants, Even if You Make Us

I’m not going to claim to be a woman of the people, or part of the working class.  I did grow up among working class people, my grandfathers were carpenters, and I have an unaccountable  enjoyment of working with my hands.

However, my working class neighbors considered me a little daft, running around with a book in my hands all the time.  My mom’s brother who was a plumber cordially disliked me, and at least half of it was thinking I put on airs (I didn’t, but that’s how he perceived it.)

My father worked as a textile engineer, my brother is an engineer, our house was full of books, my best friend came from decayed nobility and her house too was full of books.  My mom was as likely to listen to radio soap operas as to late-night programs on history and mythology.

We were odd, and this was just one of the ways we were odd.

Mom who came from lower class (the distinctions are very fine indeed down there) spent most of her life trying to ape people at least one class above, in dress, in speech, in cooking.  When the facade broke you either got her most endearing moments or her most terrifying, the terrifying being when she was on a tear and spoke in a dialect I only half-understood, but what I understood was horrible.

I never felt I had anything to prove.  Perhaps I had.  In terms of the village, I was a half breed.  But I was also grandma’s granddaughter and frankly, no one would tell grandma that.

I grew up blissfully unaware of the need to “project social superior.” Perhaps it’s just being odd.  Just as I’ll make friends with people of any color, sexual orientation or self-identified gender or otherkin, I made friends with whomever I considered interesting and it was only after the third infestation of lice that mom managed to convince me there were some kids I SHOULD avoid for my own protection and so she didn’t have to shave my head.

When I left the village for middle and high school, I “ran with the strange.”  Being an exchange student didn’t help me understand social class boundaries, and marrying an American and moving here did it even less.  (I think my MIL tried to give me a hint, but she also tried to tell me she knew Latin women were submissive, so you can see how much attention I was paying.)

So I’ve never really cared about social signaling.  Part of my issues living in a tightly knit suburb for a year, while we were fixing the other house for sale, is that I SWEAR women were evaluating my attire and conferring about it behind my back.  They were middle-middle class and very conscious of it.

I’m still myself.  I will walk out in whatever covers all the bits. If it covers all the bits, it’s appropriate attire.  Sometimes I take pains, but only if it’s something important, like a Prometheus ceremony, or a date night or something.  I mean I don’t wear clothes with holes or stains, but mostly I live in Jeans and sweatshirts, and only ever put on makeup if it’s an occasion.

Because I’m me the main standard of making friends with someone is “they’re interesting” so we have friends of every walk of life (most terminally geeky) and we frequent places the good people wouldn’t dream of setting foot on.  When Colfax was still dangerous and the kids were very little, we used to go to Pete’s Kitchen when we could afford a night out in Denver.  (It was perfectly safe, as they gave free dinners to policemen.)  If it was a weekend, it might involve a stay in a very nice hotel (well, Dan got points from business travel) and visits to all the museums or some expensive historical lecture, and visits to Pete’s.  Or we’d go to lakeside where if a bomb fell for non Spanish speakers, my family would be the only ones dead, and P.F. Chang’s (then at the top of our affordability and back then in a rather posh location, with a view of the city.)

My biggest issue during the three years I could afford (and needed) a cleaning lady was that either they were very bad or they became friends, and then they became very bad.

I kind of like not worrying about class or “what class this shows” or whatever. I’m a savage.  I like what I like, and I’ll do what I like.  No television comedian, no arbiter of fashion, no enraged SJW has ever had the slightest effect on my tastes, wishes and habits, save when they piss me off so much I do a gif post, mocking them.

The problem with the leftists we’re confronted with right now, is that they aren’t ideological leftists.  They are fashionable leftists.  They’re “display” leftists, wearing their politics as a badge so we know they’re upper class.

This is an inevitable result of our chattering classes and universities being invaded by the hard left in the long march through the institutions.

Most people don’t care about ideology, and most people will do anything not to think.  That most people who frequent this madhouse do care about principles and like engaging in sport-thinking is a mark of how weird we are.

So if parroting the opinions of the “smart set” (and though the sense of smart has changed, in this case it means both, in popular image) makes them seem smart and upper class, like their college professors and all these celebrities, they’ll be “leftist.”

This attitude has displaced what people used to consider “the one right way to live.”  In the nineteenth and even early twentieth century, people were pious, just like they’re leftist now.  “This is the one way to be that signals we’re good people, and if you’re not of us you have no status, and you’re probably evil.”  When you read Heinlein’s hostility to organized religion, it is that mindset he was pushing against.  As his life spanned two centuries, he might never have fully realized it had changed or that attempts to dethrone religion from that “fashionable” position only wielded another religion, less rational and more militant.

Because this type of leftism is militant.  You prove how great you are by “invading” other areas and preaching to them.  You can’t leave people alone to enjoy anything without virtually signaling all over them.

This is what the push to bring political correctness to science fiction and games is all about. Missionaries, going among the heathens, trying to make us wear THEIR style pants, even though it’s 100 degrees out and our grass skirts are quite comfortable.

Since women are often the arbiters of social respectability (women care more about fitting in with the “smart set”) most of the people going into the lands of the benighted (often male areas) are women who come to preach their way and “change” geeks into something more acceptable.  Since a few of us are geek women, we reject this nonsense most of all.  We like our geek guys just as they are, stop trying to make them mind their manners and parrot your crazycakes leftism, which is more riddled with holes than Swiss Cheese.

I did a post about that dynamic for PJMedia some years ago called “Bad romance” (I couldn’t find it, even with a search) explaining that the leftists were bad girlfriends, trying to change the guy not because they wanted him, but so they could feel the virtue of changing him.  And even though science fiction has always had women, it has had mostly non-virtue-signaling women (or at least fewer of them) so technically we were all the “Geeks” that the bad girlfriends were trying to change.

But the problem is that it’s everywhere.  The federalist has a post about How Jon Stewart And ‘The Daily Show’ Elected Donald Trump.

What it talks about is precisely what we were talking about here, yesterday, in comments.  Comedy is no longer funny, but a way to shout insults at those who don’t agree with you, and only one point of view is allowed.  (And of course they can’t actually be funny or understand the other side, because if you show too much understanding, your side will suspect you of deviationism and punish you.)

And then this morning, younger son told me some news that made my jaw drop in their unself-conscious elitism. Denver becomes first US city to allow pot in bars, restaurants.

I’m going to be the first person to say that if restaurant owners want to allow pot on the premises, good for them.  I’m also going to say I might not be able to go out to eat much at least in Denver, from here on.  You see, I’m deathly allergic to pot.  When we moved here, the previous owners indulged, and we had to have the house hypersanitized because my nose shuts completely and my entire upper respiratory becomes water logged.  That’s fine. I’ve long ago realized the world doesn’t exist for the comfort and convenience of the Sarah.

What got me mad, really mad, was that this comes on the heels of forbidden smoking of tobacco in all those same places by city wide edict.

This made me — back then — a little sad.  Yes, I have hyper-reactive airways, so tobacco-filled restaurants were a problem (not as much as pot) but they also had a certain atmosphere, and most of all, I opposed people telling the owners of restaurants that they couldn’t allow smoking in them, if they wished to.

Which brings us to why tobacco was ostensibly forbidden.  It was forbidden because of “second hand effects” which are scientifically nebulous and hard to pin down, but if they exist at all are not the result of what weed is being burned and smoked, but the result of having small fires all over.  Which is the same thing that happens, in fact, with pot.

In fact, these same restaurants will ban e-cigarrettes, which has no second hand effects.  BUT they will allow pot smoking.

This is my middle finger.

In these liberal privilege circles, pot is a “given good.” It’s cool, because leftists smoked it in the sixties (and also because it makes the younger people incapable of realizing how they’ve been screwed over by those same leftists as they destroyed the economy.)  And it’s so much cooler than tobacco or those lame e cigarettes, which are mostly for tobacco.


I’m sick and tired of bad ideas and pseudo science being pushed on me to justify the fashionably left point of view and behavior.  At least Christian missionaries were genuinely worried about people’s after life.  These pseudo-atheist-leftists are mostly worried we’ll strike an incongruous note in their bistros.

And what they get for their condescension, their irrational pushing, is Donald Trump.  Pray they don’t continue pushing, because they can get much, much worse.  In fact, I’d say most people are on the edge of having a good ol’ “don’t care” snap moment.

You know that moment in A Canticle for Leibowitz when the crowd yells “Yeah, we’re simple, and we shall have  a great simplification” and then starts killing all the “intellectuals” down to everyone who can read.

That is what I’m scared of because it will take also those of us who like books for the story sake and every who, at night, in the dark, can be confused for them.

Our only choice, our only hope, is to scream back at our sanctimonious, ignorant overlords “We won’t wear pants, even if you make us.” and to hoist aloft a matched set of middle fingers as often as possible, metaphorically speaking.

These people need their nose rubbed in the fact that their religion isn’t universal, and we don’t care if they call us names.  We’ll take their names, own them, and spit them back at them.

We have to do this to save Western civilization.  But knowing this lot, we’ll probably enjoy it too.

We’re worse than deplorable.  You can’t make us over in your image.

And we’re all that stands between you and torches and pitchforks.

447 thoughts on “We Won’t Wear Pants, Even if You Make Us

    1. Clarification. I believe that ‘status’ is a way to boost weak egos. “How can we be ‘in’ If there is no outside”, Peter Gabriel, “Not One Of Us”

      1. Shades of C.S. Lewis’s essay about the “Inner Ring”:

        “In any wholesome group of people which holds together for a good purpose, the exclusions are in a sense accidental. …But your genuine Inner Ring exists for exclusion. There’d be no fun if there were no outsiders. The invisible line would have no meaning unless most people were on the wrong side of it. Exclusion is no accident; it is the essence.”


        1. I’m reminded of a study I read about some years ago. It looked at the effects of high school students pledging chastity. Apparently this actually worked, and decreased sexual activity, up until about one-third of the students had done so. At that point it ceased to be effective and got only lip service. This might be because it no longer gave the sense of being members of a special inner circle; or it might be because that was the number who actually were honestly inclined toward chastity, and the rest were more interested in having the reputation than the reality.

          Or maybe the study was methodologically unsound and proved nothing; that’s certainly happened with other social scientific research.

          1. It’s a small sample size, but from what happened when folks found out that I’d taken a chastity pledge, that’s probably at the level when the spoilers come in to deliberately screw things up.

            Kind of like the I-use-to-think-it-was-a-myth gals who actually try to get religious to break their vows.

            1. An older sister had a sharp response to those girls in high school who derided her virginity.
              “I can always change. Can you?” generally shut them up.

              1. Alternate rejoinder: I would think you would be grateful for the reduced competition.

                Style/Hazard points for variants based upon: I would think you [blanks] would be grateful …

            2. gals who actually try to get religious to break their vows

              The pleasure of attaining a goal is often directly proportional to the difficulty of the challenge.

          2. It takes real effort to wrench yourself away from considering the opinion of the social circle. Either positively or negatively. And it takes another standard of things to judge things by.

        2. Chesterton had a rather epic rant on the subject as the basis of the setup for one of his mystery shorts (“The Queer Feet”) which had a group named “The Twelve True Fishermen.”

          Is a fast read, and totally worth it. 😀

      2. “I can’t do what ‘in’ people tell me to do, so I guess I’ll remain the same.” Otis Redding and Steve Cropper.

        1. Charles, hon, when you come over this weekend (probably Saturday, as I’m taking Friday off for obvious reasons) can you bring me oh, a dozen or so “trash books.” You know the stuff y’all discard. Reader’s digest condensed. Old, but not antique encyclopedias. Copies of Hillary’s bio. Hard cover, but “I don’t mind cutting it” books I had a project in hand when we moved and someone donated my books for carving… Might even have been me.

        2. Trying to be ‘in’ condemns you to a life of being forever in pursuit …

          Much better to find a style that suits you and hold to it, perfecting it and enjoying the stability thus provided.

          1. Or as the Who put it in “Cut My Hair”:
            Why do I have to be different to them?
            Just to earn the respect of a dance hall friend
            We have the same old row, again and again
            Why do I have to move with a crowd
            Of kids that hardly notice I’m around
            I work myself to death just to fit in

  1. > signaling

    If they covered that in school, I was absent that day.

    More than once I’ve had the experience of someone twisting their face into some expression that was apparently trying to convey something of dramatic importance.

    “Down the hall and to the left” doesn’t seem to be the correct answer…

  2. As someone with more allergies than I can shake a stick at, ow. I hadn’t even considered that one as a risk of pot legalization. (I admit I was more concerned with the increased risk of psychosis to even think of less nasty results.)

    As for the conflict between liberals and the rest of us trying to get by, the phrase that comes to mind is, “Give-a-damn: Busted.”

    The next few years are going to be hairy for everyone.

    1. Given my outspoken views on whether stoners should be employed in any sort of interesting work, I’ve always figured that legalization would make me too much of a legal liability for any sort of management, leadership, or supervisory position. Luckily, I don’t think I’m cut out for that sort of work anyway.

      1. That is one interesting factor in it. If you get federal contracts, you probably have to use to federal law…we get reminders every election that it is still a punishable offense. So you either further damage respect for law like many other malum prohibitum laws or you have a huge chunk of unemployable people.

        1. I’m more anticipating federal legalization.

          At that point, discriminating against stoners might become a violation of federal contracting rules.

          Even if the job requires good risk assessment, or some other factor where being stoned while doing it will unnecessarily risk human life or well being.

            1. Exactly how am I supposed to get out of the way if they cannot be fired from the same chemical plant or oil refinery that I work at?

              1. Find a line of work that doesn’t involve fools and knaves. Invent teleportation so you don’t have to use vehicles. Avoid crowds.

                Seriously, given the newer cultivars, I think it’s going to be like the pilot’s saying; there are bold stoners and old stoners but there are no old bold stoners. I think laws similar to the drunk driving laws will be enforced – already are in some places.

                1. I think laws similar to the drunk driving laws will be enforced

                  The likely key here will be some way of determining impairment as readily and easily as we can with alcohol. Blood alcohol level is a pretty easy to define standard, and breathalyzers produce generally reliable first-level results.

                  If there are no reliable semi-pbjective ways to establish impairment it becomes very difficult to legislate. Once upon a time we relied on the arresting officers’ judgement but try arguing that in court now.

                  1. I will admit I don’t like how we need to have hard and fast numbers for OUI. it should be a reckless driving charge with added penalties for inebriation but wobbling across lanes should be stopped regardless of bac or tests.

                  2. In Alaska they get hit with DUI, same as drunks and sick people on cold medicine. Because it don’t matter what’s influencing you, if you’re influenced enough to be unsafe on the road, you’re driving under that influence, and shouldn’t be.

                    That said, it does get to be a sticky wicket in court, unlike the ease of breathalyzers.

            2. Remember the old bumpersticker about “if you don’t like how I drive, get off the sidewalk”?

              There’s a rather major issue with the idea of just getting out of their way.

          1. But at the Federal level, the BATF has held (in Fed background checks for gun purchases, supported by at least one appeals panel in the madhouse 9th Circus, er, Circuit) that having a medical marijuana card disqualifies you from purchasing a gun. (The 4473 form question “are you a user of … list of drugs”).
            And many state civil courts (in divorce, custody, etc) seem to equate a persons’ use of marijuana with general irresponsibility and bad-person-ness, and punish them for their heinous conduct, regardless if that gives the kids to the chronic drunk lay-about other “parent”.
            Sorry, this issue gets on my piss-offed button for the general unreasonableness of the drug laws and policies, and the (IMO) fake self-righteousness of most of the anti-drug noisemakers.
            Thanks all. JPDev

            1. there is now a new 4473 form that reminds people that it is still against federal law on that question.

        1. People have. However, there’s ample regulations around working in transportation or with heavy equipment that protects the company, so if you’re driving a forklift or a 747, the fed is still nominally on the employer’s side. For now.

      2. I can guarantee that the NRC will not relax the drug testing requirements for nuke plant workers. The thought of a stoner at the controls of, or working on plant equipment give me nightmares.

      3. Long before I hired on, working while consuming alcohol was a no-no. Still is. It’s made clear that if you’re had a drink, you tell the dispatcher that and don’t go in. If you’re not “in the barrel” (officially on-call), it’s not held against you. I was told the story from someone who saw it of a guy sent home because he did come into work drunk when a big storm hit.

        We, the employees, put in for drug testing when it became feasible, because not only is the intoxicated person’s life on the line, but everyone he works with. Electricity doesn’t play.

        I can see where the same thing holds: You don’t come in intoxicated. The urine tests will pick up wacky weed several days after use, so there’s no way to tell if someone had a joint and a shower before coming in, or if it was over the weekend. That means, unless there’s a better test, you have to stay clean.

    2. I’ll go with Travis Tritt’s line “Here’s a quarter; call someone who cares.”

      More proof God has a sense of humor: the rains in the Pacific NW have done wonders for the water table, but they’re destroying the pot crop with mold. We both laughed when my wife relayed that chunk of news…

      1. Some of the mold may be ergot and moldy grass may have a high all it’s own. “All fungi are edible, some fungi are edible only once”. T. Pratchett

    3. Death of Bruce Lee is still a mystery, but most often heard explanation is, allergy to pot, killed by his first experience of it.

        1. It gives me a vicious headache when I breath 2nd hand pot smoke. 😛 Not fun. And people wonder why I turn into a grumpy curmudgeon when I see and smell pot smokers around me.

        2. You probably already know this, but since you’re allergic, look out for hemp oil and other hemp products.

          FWIW, the smell of wacky weed makes some cats go nuts.

    4. It seems to show up as a rather nasty hay fever for a lot of people– my husband is allergic, too.
      Didn’t make the connection until we lived next door to a place that had a lot of smokers in it, and we could draw a connection between “dang, where is the dead skunk?” weekends and him having Allegra-barely-touches-it allergies on Monday. For the longest time we thought he was allergic to some sort of fungus in the AC vents, because the time they’ve got the AC on, I’d have our house’s windows open and folks would drive down the road smoking on their way from the pot shops down the way.

        1. A cousin was accidentally shot, and it punctured his lung. They had to stuff a tube into him and the crud drained from his lungs cured him of smoking both tobacco and the left handed cigarettes. The male nurse told him it only gets that bad looking when you’ve had “The Good Stuff”

        2. It makes sense if you think about it– they’ve been growing tobacco for ease of smoking for at least several hundred years; they’ve only been growing pot for stronger responses, and it’s only been organized for…what, half a century?

  3. Frankly, I am watching the post-election screaming from the left-liberal intellectuals, media figures and entertainers with all the horrified fascination that I would view a twenty-car pileup on the Interstate. It’s as if they really don’t want the residents of Flyoverlandia to read or watch their stuff, buy tickets to their movies and performances or download their music.

    I’m good with that …. but I’m still baffled – can’t these people see how ridiculous they look?

    1. “…can’t these people see how ridiculous they look?”

      They’re dehumanizing their opponents to make it easier on their conscience when they try to stomp on us. Its what the Puppy Kickers do.

      That’s why I’ve been a Sad Puppy all this time. It is important for uninterested bystanders to see the sausage being made. That way they recognize a meat grinder when they see one.

      Today Twitter suspended a bunch of accounts from the Alt-Right. http://phantomsoapbox.blogspot.ca/2016/11/the-left-moves-to-shut-everyone-up.html

      I expect we will see Google and Facebook do the same. These corporations are filled with people who BELIEVE Donald Trump is going to destroy the world, and any action they take against The Donald and his deplorable supporters is -justified-.

      That’s the same thing those WorldCon assholes have been doing for five years now. Just bigger. The Puppies are white supremacist racist bigot homophobes, any action taken against them is justified.

      I don’t bother with Vile666 anymore, but given Larry Correia’s gun post for Liberals the other day, I can predict to a high degree of accuracy the kind of vilification taking place. Big G is all over it.

      It isn’t enough to for them debunk an idea. Indeed, they don’t even try, really. What they do is dehumanize the object of their displeasure, therefore justifying their behavior.

      Puppies and Conservatives are not human. They are dangerous and must be destroyed in any way possible. Ban them from the Internet. Get them fired from their jobs. Beat them up in the streets. Take their houses. Take their money, their cars and their kids.

      That’s what they’re doing. Nerving themselves up for a fight. They hate us and want to crush us underfoot.

      Personally I welcome it. I’ve forgotten more about fighting than most of these pukes will ever know. I can stop pretending to go along, finally. My moral code requires a guy swing on me before I hit him. Bring it.

      1. There are more folks with you, bro, than you’d at first imagine. Just because they’re quiet at the moment doesn’t mean they’re not ready.

            1. AND physically beat the crap out of them. I cringed when I saw that 46 yr old guy get beat up by those ghetto thugs in Chicago last week. He never tried to defend himself. I’m 14 years older than him and I can guarantee at least two of those thugs would have been on the ground writhing in pain, if not out cold. They might have overpowered me at the end, but I would have made them at least a little leery of taking on an old white guy again.

              1. depends. If they activated the berserker from hell (never has failed when I’m attacked) depending if I had potential weapon to hand (say my purse or a scarf or the switchblade I have in my pocket most of the time) I probably would have killed one, or as near as makes no difference.

                1. Walking stick. Never underestimate the crappy aluminum grandpa cane. The laminated oak, maple and walnut Phantom Special is also handy during times of social misunderstanding. Still legal in Canada too. >:)

                  1. Solid hickory walking stick. I’m starting to need one on occasion, courtesy of bad back and years catching up to a bum knee. If I have my cane, I can hold it horizontal in my elbows across the small of my back and it seems to help.

                    Oh. and what am I doing with a solid hickory walking stick? It was a freebee from a livestock barn, and I’ve used it since Yet Another injury to the knee made it useful until I recovered.

                    I also have an eye hoe handle that makes a pretty good walking staff.

                    1. The canes we make come chambered in .45LC/.410 shotgun and give you the option of the lower 12″ section being a suppressor. And they look like ordinary expensive canes; a bit fancy on the handle end and all, but pretty ordinary overall.

              2. I would have made them at least a little leery of taking on an old white guy again.

                Heh. Insert story of punk who thought he could mug old white guy:

                In 1973, Jack Dempsey, at 78 years old, was leaving his famous Jack Dempsey’s Broadway Restaurant, in Manhattan, to go home, when a mugger hurried into his cab after him. Before he could demand money, Dempsey turned around, socked his left hook across the man’s chin, and knocked him sprawling out of the car, out cold in the gutter. Dempsey closed the door and the cab drove off.

                Dempsey might not have been able to go fifteen rounds anymore, but …

      2. Ya. In one of my circles everyone is denouncing someone who contacted an employer about a political post. Stupid reason but this same circle was likely out pounding the drums for Eich. Same thing when I said that mainstream publishing will take politics into consideration. That is no big deal but any otherization of their cohort is evil.

      3. It’s been my experience that if violence is imminent and unavoidable, a preemptive strike is the way to go. Most bullies will go through a progression of aggression and getting inside their OODA loop works wonders.

      4. It must be true! I just tried to post a comment about Facebook banning a post where I mentioned b-r-e-i-t-b-a-r-t c-o-m. Some liberal had her panties in a wad over Steve Bannon being the left hand of Satan…
        Anyway, when I tried to post, apparently WordPress decided to sent the post to bit-hell!!
        A vast left-wing conspiracy that every one knows about!
        Oh, and “WordPress Delenda Est.”

      5. Alt-right’s becoming just another version of raaaaacist. Which is why I thought Sarah was using it a little too freely with too little target discrimination.

        1. “Alt-right” is going to become as meaningless as “neo-conservative” very shortly. Reagan will get called it, Larry Correia will be called it, Orson Scott Card will get called it . . .

      6. They are already starting the process – Gateway Pundit has an article about this at:

        which also mentions that in the preparation of the list, the SPLC was instrumental in identifying the right-wing hate groups who should be targeted, de-platformed, and de-funded.
        These idiots are not making it easy to see them as humans anymore.

        1. These idiots are not making it easy to see them as humans anymore.

          I would point out that I am routinely assumed to be a hard leftist by hard leftists given alternate sexuality, demonstrated intelligence, and college education.

          I so sick of them I don’t even enjoy a lot of events in my community anymore. My wife had to discuss me signalling it was too much so we could leave if I needed to at the last MasT meeting. Only one incident but it was typical when someone said she couldn’t share a meal with her bf’s parents because they were Trump supporters.

        2. Anything coming out of the Southern Poverty Law Center can automatically be assumed false until proven maybe-not-an-outright-lie.

          Some of the “hate groups” they list have been defunct for thirty years. I suspect most of the rest range from wholly imaginary to lone nutballs getting their freak on.

          1. I have been considering the SPLC a hate group for some years now, and will note that their incendiary rhetoric and unfounded allegations have already inspired at least one attempted mass shooting.

            1. The SPLC is a scam designed to enrich Morris Dees and his family; think of it as the Clinton Foundation 1.0.

            2. SPLC should always be referred to as “the hate group, SPLC”, and their listings as “organizations the hate group, SPLC, has listed for attack”

    2. Nay, for they hath drunk the Kool-Ade (like unto the Jones brand, but not so immediately deadly).

            1. Or a “no consequences” libertarian– really common on college campuses.

              The more philosophically inclined ones are willing to accept consequences that they can’t blame on other people.

      1. Trump is going to screw up everything?

        How is that even possible? Maybe government is involved in too much, that he might be able to do that?

          1. Obama has set a high bar on that but Trump is a high achiever.

            Plus, I believe the press has announced Trump has the most corrupt administration ever last night.

            1. Being Republican, even in name only, is enough to vault a president into the leading contender slot. The only way for Trump to avoid the corruption is appointment of Democrats to the cabinet and high bureaucratic posts.

              Then fire the vice president, appoint a Dem to the position and then resign, preferably with three shots to the back of the head.

              1. Ah, yes – where “corrupt” has been redefined to mean “may like some policies we don’t like”. I keep getting blindsided (and disappointed) by the vile-prog tendency to co-opt and redefine words.

            2. Idea:

              Newspapers and the rest of the mainline media are seeing revenue losses. They are also, as usual, shilling for the Democrats. Therefore, let them apply for funding from the DNC as a campaign expenditure. It’s more honest, they admit to a problem everyone else sees, and I’m sure they’ve heard of Pay to Play from “somewhere.”

              1. I’ve been thinking along the lines that celebrities who perform at campaign rallies should be dinged for in-kind contribution according to their standard performance rates.

                For that matter, any performer who doesn’t just shut up and sing but instead hectors the audience about some politician or “concern” needs to have their contribution limits adjusted for their endorsement.

                1. An idea to pass on to the Trump-appointed head of the IRS, and to Congressional Ways & Means/Budget Committees.

                2. I’m uncomfortable with that, because it infringes on free speech. There’s much to be said for the free market. If they want to turn their performances into political rallies, that’s up to them. But they shouldn’t be surprised when they lose half their audience.

                  BTW, in maybe 1996 or 2000, Disney sent makeup artists to Washington and did up Gore and Tipper up as Beast and Beauty for a Halloween shindig. Since it was an election year, someone asked if it were a campaign contribution. A deer in the headlights look later, and Disney billed them for their services.

                  1. Be uncomfortable about it as you like, the state of Washington has already pursued talk show hosts for providing in kind contributions:


                    They failed…this time…imagine what a Hillary SCUS would do if an appeal on this reached them (note: in campaigning about Citizens United she was specifically complaining about a group being able to criticize her).

                    1. Kind of surprising the Washington SC came to a reasonable decision! (Washington would be a lot better off, politically, if Seattle would just secede from the rest of the state.)

                    2. So long as the talk show hosts freely offer comparable time to all candidates I see no problem of in-kind contribution.

                      Of course, Hillary might have been less willing to go on Sean Hannity or Hugh Hewitt than Donald, Ted, Marco, or even Bernie.

                  2. Accepting such gifts is, according to the DOJ, only a problem for Republicans … presumably because GOP Cooties would prevent any business from donating in the absence of ulterior motive.

                    If Chick fil A donated lunches to a conservative candidate fundraiser it would be looked askance at, so also should a Wolfgang Puck offer to cater a Democrat fundraiser.

      2. I would like to say that Trump would ruin everything. But I can’t be sure…I’m giving it even odds that, despite being a New York Liberal, a lot of Conservative work is going to be done.

        If this is the case, it’s going to be because he’s going to say “Congress, Pence, I’m going to go play some golf. Pass me a couple of laws, and I’ll just sign them. And I’ll let my cabinet handle international affairs.” In other words: if he succeeds, it will be because (whether intentional or not) he follows the example of Coolidge, and do nothing…

        1. It basically translates to contempospeak as “cool.”

          Wearing a feather in your cap was that era’s version of a bow-tie.

      1. Yeah. “Yankee Doodle” started out as a British nasty on the poor stupid colonials. A portrait of a momma’s boy who was too provincial to dress properly and too dumb to figure out what he was was seeing at the army camp.

        As is our custom, the American response was to embrace the insult and wear it with pride. It had been a marching-song staple for years when they used it to parade for Cornwallis at Yorktown…

    1. I had to explain to a friend, that, no, the people singing that merrily weren’t ignorant that it originally had been intended as an insult. No they were taunting the people who insulted them. I still don’t think she gets it. She was raised in the DC area and is remarkably conservative… for having hailed from that area.

      1. Yah, and I wanted a T-shirt that had a stylized Christian cross with the text “Clingy Deplorable”, but my art skilz just weren’t up to it …

  4. “Mostly I live in jeans and sweatshirts, and only ever put on makeup if it’s an occasion.”

    Is that not normal? It’s what I and all my friends do. Well, not the “jeans” part, because many of us consider those one of the worst torture devices ever inflicted on teenagekind, but the sweatshirts and comfortable pants and don’t bother putting that muck on your face that’s just going to itch until you take it off.

    I had a conversation about this with someone from the Washington DC area, where “casual dress” means “no tie, sport coat optional.” I had to explain that to us, “casual dress” meant “jeans and a t-shirt”; if you want to specify “the jeans without holes in them,” that’s “business casual.”

    1. Out here in Silicon Valley I’ve seen these waves of business fashion crashing back and forth across the US for a long time, mostly dependent on the general economy, especially at companies with campuses at both ends. There’s occasional pushes from the east coast of “sometimes you don’t have to wear a tie,” and then from this end there’s “jeans and a polo shirt are the corporate uniform of the day, bonus points if it’s a company logo polo, except on Friday, when you can wear shorts, a t-shirt as long as the artwork is not too crude, and flip flops.” And then there’s the startups, where wearing anything other than jeans or cargo shorts and a t-shirt are conclusive proof you are too old to work there.

      Any company with campuses in Europe as well just gets schizophrenic – the rules are just too different in London or Munich or Paris.

      And that’s just for guys. I have no idea what the distaff business dress rules are like these days, other than a certainty they are much more complicated and self contradictory.

      But the tension between looking young (all important out here) and looking businesslike (which appears to be the top priority back east) have been a thing in business for at least the last 30 years.

      1. One of the things we like about my husband’s job is that nobody blinks at his wearing utilikilts. He hates shorts with a passion and it’s way too hot here for pants for half the year.

        1. It’s never too hot to dress properly.

          This is why we invented linen and Fresco weaves.

          1. Frequently they either are too fragile for the price, or they trip the “it’s beachwear” trigger on folks’ reaction– no matter the cut, it just LOOKS wrong, more wrong than wearing something cooler.

          2. Kilts *are* dressy. At least they look better than shorts even when they’re everyday kilts.

            And “never too hot to dress properly” sounds like you’re from a climate that never goes above two digits.

            1. I spent a year living in Baghdad and two years living in Alice Springs.

              I wore a suit or coat and tie to work every day for 18 months in Palo Alto, CA.

              I have worn a midnight blue sportcoat, collared shirt and trousers in 100 degree weather. It would have been more comfortable to leave the jacket off and just wear the long sleeve shirt, but standards man, standards.

              But to address Foxifier’s points:

              Linen is not expensive compared to what most people wear. It is not as robust as wool, but it’s usually about 1/2 the price.

              I will admit that Madras lacks a certain amount of “can wear this in the board room”, but “beach wear”?

              And none of these are really “fragile”. No, I wouldn’t wear them for construction, or for diving out of an airplane over ashcanistan, but I wouldn’t consider a kilt to be appropriate for those purposes either.

              The biggest problem with Wool Fresco isn’t the price, it’s finding it at all. Because we as a culture have all started dressing one step *down* the ladder (which is going to get REALLY scary in the startup world) people no longer learn about the summer weaves, and stop buying them, so they stop getting made.

              1. I will admit that Madras lacks a certain amount of “can wear this in the board room”, but “beach wear”?

                I had a silk shirt that was cut to work as business casual, but because of the texture of the weave that is how folks identified it.

          3. and seersucker. I think my grandfather had a seersucker suit he would break out in the summer; I know one now retired preacher has one. Though, to tell the truth they were exceptions; a lot of men go to church without coats when it gets hot and without ties in dog days.

      2. The official “dress code” in most of Sili Valley’s tech firms is “Make sure that you do. If you don’t dress, we’ll send you home.” That particular wording came from Sun Microsystems, but the idea is pretty much the same everywhere.

    2. I don’t wear make up at all.

      I’ve got an aunt that HAS to wear the pancake stuff, because her skin is so sensitive– and another “aunt” who is a redhead, the one time I saw her before makeup I thought she was deathly ill.

      Which is why I never took to wearing makeup, in part– if I started using concealer, I’d lose what little healthy color I have.

      For really big events, I have a stick of lipstick somewhere, and mascara. Lipstick gives my lips a bit of color, use the blotter to highlight my cheeks, and the mascara makes folks who know me go “Oh, she did SOMETHING”– without it being big enough to need serious skill.

    3. “Mostly I live in jeans and sweatshirts, and only ever put on makeup if it’s an occasion.”

    4. I have been known to skip makeup, even when wearing ball gown and corset. What? I dressed up. I had jewelry on, that’s ornamentation enough.

      Besides, it was at a convention in Chattanooga in the summer. If I had put on any makeup, I’d have sweated it off by the time I got between buildings to my first panel.

      1. Re: makeup in the heat – I presume that’s because fashion makeup is basically grease-based. There is theatrical makeup that’s water-based, may last a little better in the heat – since working under stage lights can get pretty warm.

        1. Stage makeup tends to be opaque, while street makeup tends to be translucent,

          I’ve used stage makeup as street makeup in public, andwhat it tends to do is look a little too flawless, and pretty obviously even if you’ ve done your contouring right.

  5. I grew up blissfully unaware of the need to “project social superior.”

    I am sure that I lack some fundamental ability of other humans, I am who I am, I never could figure out how to be anyone but myself.

      1. I have found my people! Actually 15 years ago when I married hubby. But I’m so glad to find a community that understands me and dresses like me. I don’t wear make-up and my hubby doesn’t wear a suit unless forced. We eat breen. What are these swedish meatballs you speak of?

    1. I haven’t noticed much of that in Finland. Reasons might be: when I was born the country was only about half a century old, with several recent wars against the later occupier country, and most of the old elites had been very tightly tied to first Sweden and then Russia. They were still somewhat busy signalling that they weren’t considering themselves as above the plebes anymore, while the old Finnish hatred of anybody even close to a “lord” was still quite obvious. And the kids of those old plebe classes were going to universities and rising up in society. My father was a mechanic and mother a seamstress (although she actually came from a family which had been a bit higher in the old hierarchy, but her father had died very young leaving grandmother rather destitute), more than half of the students in university when I was there in the 80’s either had parents who were blue collar or even farmers, or had been the first generation in their family not farmers or blue collar.

      But I have been still snubbed socially by my “betters” a few times in my life, after I dropped out of university and became not only a blue collar worker but one on the lower rungs of those occupations. Once or twice it has been people who stopped talking with me once they found out I’m a mere paper carrier/cleaning lady and concentrated their attention rather obviously on the better educated individual (since most of my friends are university educated I hang out with my “betters” often enough). A bit more often it has been something like dismissing my opinions, a couple of times even saying that’s it on that basis, after somebody with a degree finds out (and don’t know about the “university dropout” bit, that does seem to improve the weight of my thinking with some people). Or is told.

      It might be a bit perverse view in some ways, but I am actually a bit proud of what I do for a living. It’s mostly a mix of hey, I got these handicaps like SAD but I’m still making a living, not living on support, and hey, what do you well off people who are so sympathetic towards people like me and talk so much about the problems of the lower classes know, most of you have no damn idea what it really is like but I am actually living it. Or maybe I’m just trying to present the “dropped out” part, which admittedly does bother me, in the best possible light to myself.

      1. Okay, I hope posting this worked. At some point WP told me I had posted twice, after it first took its sweet time after I had hit “post comment”.

        If it comes up twice at some point could you please clean it up?

      2. One of my most successful relatives was a college drop-out– she’s nice. Godmother of my kids, in fact, which is a point of some tension since that entire side of the family is Catholic and I couldn’t ask any of the rest “hey, will you swear you’ll help raise the kids in the faith?” because they didn’t manage even the basics with their own kids…. She might be loose on the theology, but she’s got the practice down cold.

        Just realized it came to mind because she does the same sort of… checking herself for making excuses, that you just did.
        The ability to consider “I may be wrong” is worth almost as much as manners, and either one is worth twice what a good education is worth.

  6. I was flipping through the cable news channels just now and stopped on a story about Denver’s legalization of pot in bars and restaurants. The smoking of pot will not be permitted in bars/restaurants. That leaves the edible forms as the only form of pot ingestion that will be legal.
    Unless there’s some other method of getting the weed into the body that I don’t know of.

      1. If vaping of tobacco-based liquids is inherently evil, because tobacco, then vaping of marijuana-based liquids must be an unalloyed good. Because pot.


    1. I sort of assumed that was already legal. I mean, Pot is legal, so…
      HOWEVER I also know the stuff they’re selling now is hellofalot more potent htan the stuff 35 years ago (because friends who indulged then tried it now. I never did, either time) so how long till “hospital visits for overdose, and restaurant sued”?

        1. what I heard is that the stuff now is not what it was in the 70s. Also, FYI in Portugal in the 70s there WERE overdoses. (Mostly think really low heart rate, etc.) Because the stuff in Portugal was Hashish from Africa and strong as hell.

          1. re: pot OD – seems to me there was news a year or so ago about pot cookies being made too strong, people having major medical problems because of that. In Colorado… Sounds like it would be within a loose definition of overdose.

          2. I was an occasional user a long time ago. Then, at a party in Boulder in the early 1980s, I got to try one of the first “improved hybrid” strains. Luckily, I had someone available to drive me home. After spending the trip asking myself, “Wait a minute, how long has it been since I’ve breathed?” and feeling a breeze in the back of my eye sockets, I gave it up and haven’t touched it since.

            Smelled it a few times in my last neighborhood and in a few crowded areas, but stayed away, personally.

            As for overdoses, a web search for “hospitalization for pot” will produce a number of informative results.

                1. Wacky weed smells like wacky weed. Once a customer came into the office just as I was leaving for the day, and he stench filled the lobby. I went back in and hung around, just in case, but there was no trouble. After he left, the cashier and I talked about the strong smell of wacky weed. A third person, a supervisor, had never smelled it before, and went into the lobby so she could recognize it the smell.

              1. Because some people may have thirteen and a half minutes to spare and are not aware of The True History Of The USS Titanic And How Reefer Madness Brought Her To A Water Grave:

                Fare thee well, Titanic, fare thee well.

                1. One of the electricians on my sub wrote the lyrics out on a blackboard in a training room once, and it was amusing to see “497.5 feet of rope.”

                  I had the LP it was on. I think my daughter has it now, but I’m not certain.

            1. Thanks. As I said, I get instant “pneumonia” feel, so I never used it. Left a few parties when people started smoking. Well, that and I hate being out of control of my own mind, so I tend to not even take opiates when prescribed. But I’d heard a lot about the new strain from friends.
              BTW on hospitalization for Pot. When I was researching my story in Black Tide Rising, and trying to get the physical plant of the nearby hospital, I came across a guy complaining the doctor had no business telling him to stop smoking pot. He was an epileptic and his smoking was causing seizures. :/

          1. I can’t help but wonder how many people on that board would refuse to see *any* evidence of harm from pot, no matter how blatant the evidence may be.

            Having said that, I think it’s fair to dispute that Bruce Lee died from pot. There are just enough variables to make the cause of his death rather murky….

        2. It’s not possible to lethally OD from smoking it, as the response is relatively linear and to get to lethal concentrations of THC you’d have to go through a ton of the stuff.

          However the THC has been processed out into candies or brownies (as opposed to being just baked in) then you have to re-evaluate.

          Still might not be possible, but it’s a different question.

          1. Simmer in a quart of water in the crock pot with about a cup of butter overnight. Strain butter through cheesecloth. Bake into brownies. Wake up to EMT personnel…
            The Internet is a wonderful source for explaining even more potent concentrations than above.

        3. Yes, it is possible.

          Check the stats for kids who have been put in the hospital from poorly marked pot edibles– there’s a reason the warnings come out every Halloween.

          The most common route is pot oil.

          1. Is that an actual “overdose” in the sense of “if we do not apply medical treatment the individual will be very dead, or permanently broken”, or “my child is exhibiting really odd symptoms let’s go to the ER who then hospitalized them for “observation” until the episode passes?

            1. Loss of conciousness, breathing issues, and nausia.

              I suppose technically if you pass out and drown in your own vomit because your usual “keep breathing” response is suppressed, the chemicals didn’t directly kill you…

    2. That’s fine – I don’t mind if others imbibe as long as I’m not forced to as well. As an old friend of mine put it – having a “no smoking” section in a restaurant is like having a “no-peeing” section in a pool.

      On second hand smoke – I’m wary about that. A friend of mine’s parents both smoked like chimneys (her mom died relatively young of lung cancer) and the family dog died of emphysema, and you know the dog wasn’t sneaking cigarettes out behind the garage. Also, a co-worker of mine died of lung cancer even though she’d never smoked a day in her life, but she spent over a decade in an enclosed office where the air was thick with smoke, before smoking was banned.

      1. An office? Possibly. A home where everyone smokes like chimneys? Likely. A restaurant where you are for an hour every once in a while? unlikely. Also all the studies on second hand smoke seemed to be fatally flawed. AND banning ecigs also just makes it 99.9% bullsh*t. Because what ecigs put out is water vapor.

        1. Second-hand smoke in public venues – including restaurants – IS a thing. My wife’s rather allergic to it, can have nasty headaches for a day or so after exposure.

          1. It’s not a thing in terms of increased cancer risk. Yeah, I have reactive airways, so we always tried to sit as far away from smoking people as possible, and avoided the places that were wholly smoke-filled. BUT that’s no reason for a law. The restaurant owner should be able to decide if he prefers smokers, or people who want a smoke free atmosphere as customers. And the answer will be “depends” — on time of day, location, etc.

            1. Completely agree here. If a restaurant or bar owner wants a friendly space for smokers, that should totally be his/her call. They’ll lose my business, but they’ll gain others and that’s fine.

              1. The last restaurant I frequented that allowed smoking before the universal ban had a separate smoking room. Tough on the wait staff if they had issues, but the ventilation was so good it never impacted the other areas.

                Worst smoking density I ever experienced was flying back from the east coast in the early 80s – the rest of the passengers were mostly what appeared to be just-passed-basic young Army gentlemen in their green class As, and the instant the no smoking light went off all of them lit up at once. Truly an amazing amount of smoke.

                1. In Portugal, you could smoke during tests. THAT was truly a problem when it got thick.
                  And on reactive airways: when I tried smoking, I lasted a year. I got pneumonia I couldn’t shake and quit.

                  1. As a long-time smoker, I’ve always favored bans in many places. Doctor’s offices? Hell, yes! Schools, do it! Places that people HAVE to go to, or that are very limited in number – malls, sports arenas, airports (although a smart large business like that will have a separate area if they want people like me to stay around and spend money).

                    One thing that absolutely flummoxed me when I lived in New Hampshire (and I’m sure it has changed by now, 30 years later) was that smoking was not banned in grocery stores. C’mon, now!

            2. OK, if cancer risk is the only harm acceptable to justify law-making. I’m leery of the necessity for a law, too – though we personally benefit from having such a law in Washington, and it did increase our choices a bunch; it wasn’t totally necessary for us to have some choice for eating out. There were some local restaurants advertising “smoke free” before the law passed.
              Unfortunately, some of those “smoke free” places still had a lot of smoke absorbed into the paint & upholstery, so the law (like most laws) didn’t completely fix the problem it was supposed to.
              I’m more in favor of “truth in advertising” laws, i.e. IF you say it’s smoke-free, it should meet a usefully rigorous definition.

        2. Agreed on restaurants as far as second hand smoke. I just don’t like to be around smoke because it makes me cough and I hate the smell, particularly when I’m eating. Vaping is fine, though – so yeah, banning vaping is complete bs.

        3. I don’t care about any medical issues – or lack of them – with second-hand smoke.

          The problem is, the stuff clings to skin, hair, and cloth and I can smell it until I take a shower and wash my hair, and the clothing has to go in the hamper outside.

          The skin rash from the smoke allergy, I’m not going to make an issue of.

          However, I bet those “I don’t smell anything” smokers would seriously object if I hosed them down with insecticide or chemical Mace when I walked in.

          1. Ugh – I am one who cannot stand the smell of tobacco smoke. We used to have all sorts of meets in restaurants in Spain when I was stationed there. The food was usually awesomely good, but the smell of cigarette smoke from other patrons! It was like an awful fog! I’d have to come home in the wee hours, hang my coat out to air, throw all my clothes (down to underwear) into the laundry-bag (and put THAT outside because of the lingering smell!) and shower and wash my hair. I couldn’t bear the smell of it on myself.
            eCigs? No problem. But a room full of cigarette smokers? *shudder*

          2. Precisely why department stores banned smoking long before any laws were passed. For good reason.

            And you really have to be a heavy smoker, or a hypocrite, to say you can’t smell anything. I’ve been a smoker for 40+ years, and I can still tell when I’m around another smoker without any visual indication whatsoever.

            1. And you really have to be a heavy smoker, or a hypocrite, to say you can’t smell anything.

              Not necessarily. It wasn’t until I moved out of my parents’ house, and had been gone for a couple of years, that I could tell a smoker from the smell on their clothes.

        4. what ecigs put out is water vapor.

          Are you nuts? That’s the most dangerous stuff — in sufficient accumulations it has been known to generate lightning and even tornadoes!

          Second hand smoke in restaurants is mainly about the wait staff.

          1. As mentioned above, 2nd hand smoke is a real problem for various people, such as my wife – breathing problems & headaches that don’t cease for hours after exposure.
            What we’ve been surprised about is the number of people who have the problem, but don’t mention it until there’s a conversation with someone else who does.
            Not a scientific poll, just my impression, that maybe 10-20% of people have some degree of problematic medical reaction to the stuff.
            Does this mean a law against it is justified? Not as long as the places you can go are highly discretionary, and/or have alternatives. But a social more saying it’s courteous to have smoke-free places is, in my opinion.

        5. Although I once smoked (I quit before I was 13 – I’m serious), I’m now allergic to all smoke. Gives me cold symptoms and bloody nasal discharge.Yet I don’t recall liking smoking ban laws. I tended to go to places where they didn’t smoke, or had a smoker’s section, but that was strictly providing the customers what they want.

          What does tick me off is the cavalier “take a Claritin ™” attitude some have. When they allowed smoking in our office, I made a sign that said. “I don’t fart in your office; please don’t smoke in mine.”

          1. The problem Kevin is that there are too many anti-smoking jerks out there.

            I smoke a pipe but I’m polite about it so I’d wait to see if smoking is allowed in a home I was visiting.

            On the other hand, I’ve been smoking outdoors and had jerks attempting to harass me about smoking.

            Of course, I’m old enough to remember when our “Betters” mocked people who didn’t like smoking.

            Now our “Betters” hate tobacco smokers but love pot smokers.

            1. I also remember the social pressure to just accept the smoke, complain about it and you got treated as a nitpicker (and tobacco smoke does make me feel somewhat sick. Quite unpleasant stuff).

              And yes, now it has gone to the other extreme.

              Live and let live and be considerate seems to be rather hard concept to humans in general. There is always a large segment who tries to make everybody live the way they think is best. Or right. Or perhaps the only right way. :/

              1. Smokers largely blew this one back fifty+ years ago when they would ask “Mind if I smoke?” and express resentment to any answer other than “Go ahead.”

                Similarly, the Left’s tantrums are going to affect juror sympathy toward anybody charged with running over a traffic obstructing protester.

            2. Re: outdoor smoking – depends very much on location and circumstances, and sensitivities. You want to smoke on your back porch? Go for it. You want to smoke at the upwind end of a bus stop, where other people pretty much have to be to catch their ride – or upwind of any queue of people anywhere? Don’t be surprised if you’re considered the jerk, by them.

              Jerkiness is about courtesy, and courtesy requires thinking about how you affect others.

              1. Well, I’ve had my pipe in my mouth (unlit) and people still acted like jerks about my smoking.

                Sorry buster, but anti-smoking assholes don’t seem to be reasonable bothered by second-hand smoke but are just being jerks “telling other people what to do”. 😡

                1. OK, there are control freaks associated with almost any activity. Sorry you ran into them, and that their behavior tarred your expectations of everyone else who is leery of breathing your smoke.
                  I’ve seen a fair number of smokers who assume that, because it’s outside, it’s gotta be OK – and don’t care who’s downwind from them.

                  1. And I suspect that many smokers “just don’t care” thanks to the jerks on “your side”.

                    1. Probably. Courtesy takes an extra effort from both parties, because nobody perceives the other side’s issues as well as their own. I remember an old saying that “to actually meet somebody half-way, you have to feel like you’ve gone 2/3 of the way to them.”

                      People don’t get edumacated in how to be both assertive and courteous.

                2. Nope. Nothing to do with where the smoke goes. Our kids are being indoctrinated to be jerks. Well, not mine because I wasn’t above tanning their hides if it had happened again. BUT as I said, Liberal parents are proud of their little spawn harassing strangers.

              2. Alan, no. We’re not talking about smokers actually impacting others (and e-cigs DON’T.) My kids were in first grade when I realized the school had taught them to go up and “confront” smokers and tell them they were stupid for smoking. I realized this when younger son went up to a BIKER GROUP outside our local bar and started what was clearly a pre-learned harangue. I grabbed him by the collar, apologized profusely, told them I didn’t know the school had made my kids into robots, dragged them both home and read them the riot act.
                BUT my kids can’t be the only ones taught this nonsense. I’ve seen kids in cars DRIVING BY shouting at people smoking on a street corner. And liberal parents are PROUD of this behavior.

                1. OK, that’s different. I haven’t seen it, but can easily imagine it.

                  OTOH going too far in correcting this behavior CAN repress people from complaining about actual harm, in the everybody-go-along-to-get-along sense.
                  Needs balance, open conversations between people, courtesy.

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                    You have been duly notified and cautioned.

                2. My nephew gave me the pre-rehearsed harangue when i was babysitting him and he was like, 9. and then said “My teacher says smoking is bad for you, and people shouldn’t be allowed to smoke. ” and I asked him if his teacher also told him he shouldn’t fight back against bullies… he went all introspective.

  7. :We’re worse than deplorable. You can’t make us over in your image.

    Some people deplore what others think, some only what they do.

    As I do not attend the school founded by Mr. Jefferson I am not compelled to respect the complaints from faculty about the quoting of that president: “It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god.”

    Just so long as the yard is kept up.

  8. I’m essentially blind to social signalling. I see what people do certainly, but I don’t understand what it -means-. Some people find this endearing, and I treasure them as friends.

    Most people find it intolerable, and immediately go on the attack. “How dare you not react properly to my outfit!” This makes self employment my only option. “Do you want the wall painted or not?” seems to trump most social signaling issues.

    The smoking/weed thing is just another place where the Left/Right duality is shown to be the red herring that it is. Left/Right is two sets of people with two sets of (idiotic) beliefs trying to force you to do it their way. So you have a city banning tobacco and allowing weed, and that’s the EXPECTED OUTCOME of not having the freedom to chose yourself.

    As a socially blind geek I see this shit literally all the time. Example, feminists ranting on about the Male Gaze, but they’re damn sure wearing makeup, nice shoes and those spray-on yoga pants that show every single wrinkle in your underwear. (Which are awesome by the way, keep wearing those!) Raging on about how women are oppressed, while clutching the cute little handbag they have to carry around because they DON’T HAVE ANY POCKETS.

    Really girls? No pockets? Come on. Where you going to put your jack knife and your wallet? How you going to fight the Patriarchy while you’re juggling a coffee, a handbag and a protest sign?

    1. Yes. This. I’m not blind to it, I can usually figure out what people want when they do something, but that almost makes the hypocrisy more galling.

    2. You can have too many pockets, if they are poorly designed. I got a pair of fleece lined work pants from Duluth. There is a spot where there are four very thick seams in close proximity, in a place with a lot of muscle motion when you walk. After a mile and a half, I had a welt. I will wear them for carpentry-type work, but not for anything that involves extended periods of perambulation.

      1. I wasn’t infantry by any means, but I did a few road marches. I was told not put anything in your pants on a road march to avoid chaffing.

      2. The execrable design of men’s pants of late is a major thing with me. I can barely stand wearing work clothes anymore. They don’t breath, they don’t move right and every time I bend my knees I have to adjust the waistband first or suffer an injury.

        Solution, UnderArmor. It feels good, its pretty cheap and it doesn’t get in my way when I’m doing stuff. Downside, I’m an old guy and my bulges aren’t all muscle anymore. Also, not enough pockets.

        UnderArmor plus fishing vest and Tilley hat. After a certain age, eccentricity is an asset. Covers the gut, gives you lots of nice pockets where they don’t rub your legs raw, and there’s someplace to hid your hogleg if you have one. [stupid Canada.]

            1. Naw, that’s a hawg laig. 🙂 In Canada anything from a derringer to a .45 is considered a hog leg. That’s because Canadians are the most relentlessly propagandized people in the world.

        1. FYI the wearing of a photographer or fly fishing vest without the camera or pole is suggestive of having a concealed firearm.

          1. I used to have a nice pair of jean overalls that wore out. The new ones now seem cut to fit on an alien, not a human. I keep expecting to find a vent for the tail.

            I guess I shop in the wrong stores.

            1. Liberty is around here. Pointer, well, I might know of a place that still has them. Liberty went to cheap hasps that broke, I fixed mine by tightly wrapping electric fence wire around the metal and bridging the gap. The hasps are better now.

              These are high-back overalls, BTW. Haven’t seen the low back style in a long time.

    3. I know quite a few self-described feminists who rant about pockets all the time. Of course, they’re towards the sane end of the spectrum (the side I don’t mind being on, because POCKETS).

      1. Join my boycott: if pants without pockets didn’t sell, you can be pretty sure that the stores would stop stocking pants that didn’t have pockets.

        1. Why not just buy guy’s pants?
          Some of the designs that are horrible for guys are perfect on women– and it’s probably why they exist, really.

          1. I have very definite curves. If women’s pants fit poorly on me, men’s pants may as well be pillowcases sewn by a six-year-old, because they fit about as well.

            1. They both fit equally poorly on me, so I go with the ones that have the features I like. 😀

              In fairness, sometimes Faded Glory has ones that fit, and for a few years the “boot cut” wranglers did….

              1. There is one brand and style of jeans that I can wear. I’m too hippy and I have thighs that won’t fit in most. They are Gloria Vanderbilt jeans – at Kohls, “Amanda” is the style.

                Never in my life, even when I was thin and a size 7, could I wear Levi’s.

      2. Any woman who complains about a lack of pockets is not a “feminist” as the word is taken these days. She’s a practical person with things to do.

    4. Yoga pants are cool until the woman is wearing them so tight that when she sits down, they become translucent and I can see she’s not wearing underwear. Not that I particularly mind the view, but it’s distracting, and I really want no part of her husband noticing that I’m starting at her ass.

  9. There’s a seen in the animated movie Superman: Unbound where Metropolis has been taken hostage and shrunk down by Brainiac. Lois Lane, seeing the massive, incredibly powerful Brainiac looming over them, decides the best thing to do is give him two middle fingers up. That’s kinda what it feels like to be a conservative in the media field.

  10. “[Pot]’s cool, because it makes the younger people incapable of realizing how they’ve been screwed over by those same leftists as they destroyed the economy.”

    In Jerry Pournelle’s CoDominium series, the folks running the country have effectively segregated the non-productive in “Welfare Islands”–large urban areas that are walled off and left to themselves–and the populace thereof kept quiescent by a liberal supply of stupefiants, including the fictional “borloi”, a kind of hash imported from the planet Tanith.

    …Perhaps the legalization of pot is merely the first stage in this?

    1. Well, there’s two points there – the point Dr. Pournelle was making is certainly valid, basically that any ruling class will very much approve of the observation that nobody riots and breaks thinks while on pot, but the other thing pushing these legal changes is a recognition that prohibition laws never, ever, ever work, and that allocating scarce resources to enforcing prohibitions takes those resources away from enforcing laws that could work.

      1. but the other thing pushing these legal changes is a recognition that prohibition laws never, ever, ever work

        Which is why you still have laudanum in your cough syrup, amirite?

        1. This is something that legislators occasionally rediscover (to our misfortune). If you tell *me* that I can’t do have something I can easily route around that. If you tell BigCo, Inc. that they can’t *sell* something they will figure out how to sell something moderately similar and then I can’t get specifically that think any more.

          Coca-cola survived the de-legalization of Cocaine, and the market for that went underground (e.g. to people who had no legal business to get sued)

          Cough syrups survived morphine/opium being made a schedule 1 drug, and those who needed the *morphine* went to the black market.

          Antihistamines (largely) survived pseudo-ephedrine being restricted, and the crystal meth folks just routed around it.

          It is easy to put pressure on big companies, and when peoples livelihoods are in jeopardy they will do as the law requires. Other people who have more morally flexible, or who come from a social milieu where violating the law is more acceptable (or required socially) will pick up the slack.

          This is why laws tend to work better in more homogeneous societies.

              1. Now, with all the pharmacological research he does (his meds list is like trying to find members of a half dozen rival gangs who can work together, and besides, he finds it fascinating), he wants to create a job where he can advise people about edge-case drug interactions. The kinds that most computer systems won’t consider, such as, he was just prescribed a new medicine which doesn’t REALLY interact with one of his other medicines, but that other medicine inhibits the enzyme that breaks down his new medicine into the metabolite which is the actual active chemical derived from the prescription medicine, so he’s not sure if the new one is going to do any good or not.

      2. prohibition laws never, ever, ever work, and that allocating scarce resources to enforcing prohibitions takes those resources away from enforcing laws that could work.

        That’s a rather large claim that far outstrips any evidence I’ve ever seen– NO laws “work” if you require perfection, because there are always folks who will break the law. Saw someone arguing against “abortion prohibition” because infanticide exists.

        Alcohol prohibition, an attempt to outlaw something that can be created on accident or without any human interaction at all, on the basis of far from generally agreed on costs, as an attempt to change folks’ minds, that didn’t work. That went over like Sarah’s frequently mentioned story of outlawing child labor.

        Things that are not as bog simple to produce? That the culture already disapproves of? Where the costs are immediate? “Prohibition” works a lot better on those. (Slavery, forced marriages, selling kids…. most of the good examples are going to be inflammatory because they are good examples, the vast majority is already familiar with the cost/benefit consideration, the situation is well known, and the public consensus is already firm.)

  11. “sport-thinking”

    Now I want to hear Howard Cosell doing commentating on an event of this type.

    “And we have RES advancing a notion in a new thread, RES advancing a notion, no! looks like Stephen J.’s going on another blathering run, got to knock him down, wait, wait, Orvan Taurus typing, Taurus typing, yes! Stephen J. leveled with a quick bon mot. Oh, not over, not over, CeliaHayes deploying an anecdote with her usual wit and charm, CeliaHayes recently awarded the Hotspur Prize for Indelible Imagery, looking to maintain her record here, can she finish the anecdote? Yes! CeliaHayes dismounts perfectly, a 10, 10, 10, oh, and a 4.2 from the Russian judge, that’s gonna hurt.”

      1. Neurolympics, by Stephen J. (REDACTED):

        In a future where plague and mutation has reduced the populace of the Domes to enfeebled, near-helpless hulks, only the nano-implants allowing connection to the virtual reality consensus of the Commiserere allows anything like a human life. But where in the real world physical prowess once ruled, the Commiserere’s constructs inflict damage through either the quickness of calculation or the brute force of emotional onslaught — and so society has balkanized into the Wits, the Paths, the Quirks, and most powerful of all, the Demas, masters of all forms of psychological battle.

        Only in the shared contests of the Neurolympics do the factions come together, competing for the prestige and respect needed to lead the Domes for the next four years. But when an exiled Path, still smarting from her defeat three years ago and estranged from her Wit family, stumbles upon a Dema conspiracy to fix the outcome of the Neurolympics, to whom can she turn for help in saving the Domes’ last shreds of civilization?

    1. I ❤ this so much. My younger son, who is going to get here, eventually, engineering permitting, read the comments to his post and described my blog as a "Magical wonderland."

      1. Much obliged. I confess that I have absolutely no idea what the Hotspur Prize for Indelible Imagery actually is, and now that I am thinking about what might actually win it, I’m a little perturbed. 🙂

        1. Well, clearly “indelible imagery” is a description so provocative, so enthralling that it burns itself into your memory and can never be forgotten. Who Hotspur was, I haven’t a clue. Unless a hot spur is the instrument used in the above memory burning…

            1. Close, but the Bard took a real person to write as a character base –
              Sir Harry “Hotspur” Percy – a baron from North-East England in the time of Richard II and Henry IV (late 1300s – early 1400s)

  12. “…thinking I put on airs (I didn’t, but that’s how he perceived it.)”

    I know!!! Use the word “Counter-intuitive” in a sentence ONCE and they think you are an insufferable snob! The cretins…

    1. Is it “anti-intuitive” in non-USA English? I ask as I see counterclockwise and anticlockwise, which brings up the next question: How was rotational motion described before mechanical clocks?

      1. Deasel and Widdershins, IIRC, which I read in ANALOG or ASTOUNDING many years ago. Widder…being left arm in, Deasel right arm in.

        1. Deasil and widdershins are Scottish dialect, and AFAIK have never been standard English. The former word is Gaelic in origin, the latter is Low German.

          1. I always thought wide-ranging was English for some reason… probably because I learned it from the Pendragon RPG.

    2. The whole putting on airs thing never made a bit of sense to me; it is rather like pretending to be fluent in Japanese. You either speak a language or you don’t, and those who are fluent in it can tell pretty quickly.

      This may be a case of false bisection, but it seems there are two kinds of people: those who put on airs (or resent others’ attempts to do so) and those with scant patience for pompous pretension. Some will say they’re the same thing, but I trust the distinction is clear to those here.

      1. There are two types of people: Those who say there are two types of people, and those who don’t.

              1. There are two types of people, those who know how to tell jokes, those who can tell them but don’t get them and those who — wait, sorry, the duck has an orange for a head, you have to know that first — um … I think I lost my train of thought.

    3. “Don’t be so stuck up!”
      “What? What on earth are you talking about?”
      “You stand over there, looking down your nose at all of us.”
      “…. you mean when I’m hiding in the corner desperately wishing to be anywhere else because I know that anything I do will make you jump down my throat?”

      1. In many instances, being “stuck up” simply means being indifferent to their opinions of you. It is possible that I have been charged with this sin against common decency, but as I am largely indifferent to the opinions of others I may very well have missed the signals.

      2. One of my high school teachers explained that when she was in school, she was a cheerleader, and a lot of people thought she was “stuck up” when she was merely shy.

  13. “…most people will do anything not to think.” Eh, I’m not sure it’s active avoidance of thinking per se, so much as not spending effort on anything that doesn’t pertain to their work or recreational interests of today or tomorrow. And the way school’s taught, for a lot of people thinking is associated with effort.

    Folks here avoided that – reading and thinking being one of our kinds of fun.

    1. You have a point. Many people live in *very* narrow worlds. They don’t read, have any hobbies or special skills, or travel. Their world is limited to TV and gossip.

    2. Just to get Our Host annoyed with me again:

      There are three kinds of people in the world, Peasants, Lords (or Masters if you prefer) and Odds.

      Most Peasants are perfectly happy to think within the constraints of their work, but don’t want to outside (except maybe in the context of their hobbies). this is what makes them peasants.

      Most Lords think, but only in terms of how to arrange the Peasants, and maybe their hobbies. They are less averse to it than Peasants, but still do it within the constraints imposed by *their* Lord or tribe.

      Both may think widely about somethings, or deeply about some *thing* but never both.

      Odds? More inclined (as a category) to think about things. No more likely than the other two to get things correct.

      1. I see the U.S. as a nation of Odds, but when you import people with “peasant” in their brains, they keep trying to vote in Overlords.

      2. I think it’s more like broad categories of software– some folks will naturally work better with one type than another, but if that software doesn’t do what they want, the results are worse than badly running software with an output they DO want.
        To steal from a fiction tradition, the warrior who becomes a peace-vowed monk; he’s better at the violence, but the results are not desired.

        It breaks down a bit because we can patch the software, but not really uninstall.

        1. Actually, William, what you’re saying is basic ape distribution. What I object to is the alpha, beta, etc, which doesn’t apply well to humans, as it’s more “within a group” — i.e. an alpha geek is a thing, and not the same as an alpha jock, and in the end they’re all useless for real work with humans.
          Dave Freer, who DID primate work refers to Odds as “goats” which is apparently what they called them.

  14. No television comedian, no arbiter of fashion, no enraged SJW has ever had the slightest effect on my tastes, wishes and habits, save when they piss me off so much I do a gif post, mocking them.

    Oddly, the only person who changed my fashion in that way was George Will.

    Stop laughing and no I don’t wear bow ties.

    It was this column, particularly the end:

    But, then, you knew that just from looking at how grown-ups dress down. Time was, children enjoyed dressing up like adults. Now adults increasingly dress like children. In airport concourses you see them, men wearing jeans and T-shirts and running shoes, holding the hands of small boys dressed similarly. Small wonder they play similar games.

    By the end of that month I had rearranged my wardrobe so that I didn’t leave home in a tee-shirt or jeans. I’ve been back and forth on the shoes (lately running shoes as I walk at lunch but I could keep them here and wear leather shoes in) and I’ve backslid big time on the years.

    However, outside of athletics or concerts I don’t wear tee shirts out.

    The only other celebrity influence I’ll own up to is my choice of DAW, FL Studio, is because Mike Oldfield uses it.

    1. Suits and waistcoats have made a comeback lately among the yuppie/hipster crowd. They love their beard oils, expensive leather shoes, complicated and half shaved asymmetrical hairdos, and 1930’s style suits.

      The term “perfumed princes” springs forcibly to mind.

      1. We went out into the world yesterday, and ate lunch out in Kansas City. There was a millennial-aged man sitting close to us with a most intricate hair-do. It was swept back from his face, obviously teased a bit to give it some body, it had some kind of greasy stuff on it, and then it was bobby-pinned in swirls and whorls at the nape of his neck. It may have been in the shape of a Fleur De Lis, but I didn’t want to get closer to verify that.

        He was having lunch with a young Air Force Captain – in flight suit.

        I have to admit that I’m an old fuddy-duddy, and that I probably showed my ignorance by staring at the bizarre hair.

        1. No, I see stuff like that in Toronto all the time. Makes me think back to the 1970’s when my hair was thick and long. Because now, it’s thin and short. 😦

          Unfortunately the more intricate the hair, the higher up the Liberal Twerp scale the man usually is.

            1. The man bun thing is still going, I guess. Saw one last weekend made of dreadlocks. [shudder] Now they do the shaved side thing with the little pompadour top, some of them have art in the shaved part.

              I’m rolling my eyes just thinking about it. Can you imagine trying to touch up the back of your head before going to work? Egad.

          1. I once had the hair to wear down to my shoulders. It was the style of the time. Then one day a lady sitting behind me in church mistook me for my mother. The next day I got it cut off my ears and collar, and have worn it short ever since.

      2. I have on occasion given thought to Victorian shirt styles and at one point I did have two sets of matching earring and cufflinks. The latter, however, was not everyday wear but for clubbing. Had I been able to afford it as daily wear, however, I would have indulged.

        My new coat, which I got for my birthday, was completely a fashion choice (although it is the middle weight that is perfect for Atlanta): a military looking knee length in grey. I may get the maroon version if it lasts (the things came out in September and are almost gone…wtf Torrid).

    2. When I started my last job, I was wearing short-sleeve button-down shirts. Then I started to note the people standing around me on the train that I rode to work every day, what they were wearing, and what sort of a first impression their clothes left with me. After a couple of weeks of that, I switched to long-sleeve shirts instead.

    3. I range from moderately Victorian/Western to Austrian and [not Austrian] at work, although my suits are pretty much pure Austrian. Casual is comfortable, practical, and no short sleeves outside of the house (unless I’m at the gym.) Some of the students look at me funny, but they change their minds quickly. Some adults look at me funny, but apparently a lot of people assume that long skirt or layers = CCHL. And this is the Panhandle, so eccentric is generally accepted so long as you are polite.

    4. I do recall one posting somewhere, that to be considered “well dressed” yet not actually overdressed for a venue, look around and see what the most common mode of dress is… and then go “one step up” from that, but only one. That is, if at a con with most in jeans & t-shirt, a dress shirt or sweater and pants that are not jeans or work pants will suffice – tie optional. If you go to, say, full-on evening dress, now it’s either just plain excessive…. or cosplay.

      That said, clothing is like booze. Wear (or drink) what you like. If other people have a problem with it, well they have a problem.

    5. I wear the costume of my people*- tshirt (Walmart plain or Sanibel Island logo), shorts (Walmart), and shoes with no socks. For special occasions, a button up short sleeve shirt is warranted- usually for visits to the fancy restaurants on Sanibel Island.

      *I am of the rare and endangered True Floridians, aka, the Cracker. My family has been in Florida since before the invention of air conditioning.

    6. I think he’s confusing the symbol with the substance, but if it works for you– clothes are armor. You don’t dress a knight like an archer, if the suit is your plate mail, go for it!

      The clothes you wear change you, but a lot of it is how you think of it; I can’t stand wearing “pregnancy clothes”– the few I’ve found that fit at all. I don’t know why the difference, I just know it’s there.

      Problem with the “adults now dress like children” thing is that “how adults dress” has been changing. The jeans and not-nice shirt were worn by workers, not children. Some kids would wear them, for the same reason that the workers did– so you didn’t destroy expensive clothes.

      Almost three generations ago, folks started wearing them to say that they didn’t care about being high falutin’. (My parents were trailing edge, because both had mothers who did not put up with Making A Rude Statement with clothes, and that’s rather what “I don’t care what you think” was.)
      A significant number got over the whole “make a statement” thing, but kept the clothes because they’re practical.
      Jeans these days won’t hold up to bucking bails for even one day, but you can put the groceries in the car without ruining your suit pants. T-shirts let us have pretty things, without having to be expensive in money or time.

      1. I’m well away this was mostly about me and it happened around the same time as my first wife left and I was digging myself out of that. The article struck me because it provided a mechanism to make a mental shift I needed at the time even if I didn’t experience that way.

        I’m sure the reason the “backsliding” hasn’t bothered me is the symbolic changes it represented have become real changes to me.

        I mainly shared it because I think being able to say the only celeb to influence your fashion is George Will is too good to pass up.

      2. I actually found some maternity shirts I’m going to kind of miss, but the pants were largely hopeless.

        Fortunately, there were some well-timed yoga pants at Wal-Mart… I say well-timed because they were available when I needed them and seem to have since disappeared. I tried ordering some online and they sent the wrong thing. Should’ve picked up more sizes, they’re very comfy when not pregnant too.

  15. One of the more interesting thoughts that sometimes drifts across my mind: if the time comes when A) the Committee for Public Safety starts eating its own (this is already starting to happen); B) the Simpletons start in cleaning up or C) both in close proximity – my benighted moral beliefs requires that I *defend* the victims, that, if necessary, I lay down my life for them – I, who check most all the boxes of everything evil and bad in their Universe. I’m supposed to stand up against the various lynch mobs for their sake, even though there is no limit, now, to the the insults and threats hurled my way.

    Funny ol’ wolrd, innit?

    1. You are part of a culture whose primary religious belief has as its foundation the idea that a divine entity died for the people who killed him.
      Makes sense if you think about it.

  16. I am not blind to social signaling, but I wonder how much of it I consciously decided against because it simply wasn’t an option for me. Short version: I’m somewhat disproportionate—a six-foot frame that somehow ended up with hips suitable for someone who is 5’2″—and clothes simply. don’t. fit. When it takes a quarter-century to even figure out why that is (because I Am Not Made of Money, and experimentation takes years), and you spend far too long trying to get clothes that don’t make you look as though you’ve just experienced a growth spurt, it’s kind of hard to get worked up about “those shoes are so cute” when you know that they don’t carry them in your size anyway.

    Side note: I’ve only ever been in one physical store that actually had women’s Tall sizes. The nearest one of that brand is forty miles and two bottlenecks away from me. I hate shopping for clothes with such passion that I’m not allowed to do it unless I am well-rested, well-fed, and have something fun to do afterwards.

    1. Well, since I had Robert my metabolism has been so screwed up, I can’t find anything but (elastic) jeans and t-shirts that fit me, most of the time. It’s just not worth the effort. Now I have a sewing room this might change.

    2. I sympathize, SO MUCH. I like nice clothes, but finding ones that will fit is a nightmare. I’m tall, I’m female shaped (but not, as it happens, ‘goddess’ shaped, or whatever they’re calling it). The latest problem to add to my list of ‘all pants and sleeves are too short’ is…it’s getting harder to find sleeves that weren’t made for women with twig arms and, apparently, nothing resembling muscles. And while I have learned to live with sleeves that will never, ever reach my wrists and pants that are, more often than not, a bit highwayer…sleeves that feel like I’ve just stuffed my arms into a freaking sausage tube…no. Just…no.

      Alas, I haven’t the time/patience/money to either learn to sew my own clothes, or to pay someone to do it for me.

      1. Because I’m a kinetic thinker (I think by doing. No, really) my dream is that my parents send me $250 for my birthday and I can buy an adjustable plus-size sewing manequin, which I adjust it to my proportions, so I can a) relax by doing stuff with my hands, between writing bouts. b) have becoming and comfortable clothes.
        I’ll note so far there is no indication I’ll get ANY birthday money, much less a quarter of a thousand. Eh. No, no resentment, hell, it’s their money and Portugal is in bad shape. They’re NOT responsible for my dreams.

      2. Tell you what. Send me your address, and I’ll send you the bottom 2″ of all the sleeves and pant-legs that I have to trim off. I’m 5’1″, with proportional arms and legs, but my shoulders and biceps are a size 12-14. Even 12-14P is too long in the sleeves.

        1. LOL. Yeah, my former boss and I would commiserate over the travails of finding clothes when you are either very petite or very tall! (She’s barely 5’1″ herself.)

          And of course, there’s the added aggravation of women’s clothing size depending on where you’re shopping, what part of the country you’re in (in the US, anyway), and where the clothing itself was actually made. (Fun tip: if it was China, then best size everything up a LOT. Because they’re mostly tiny people over there, and for some reason most US retailers are no longer bothering to check that fact, and so it seems that a ‘medium’ or a ‘large’ in some places is actually ‘small’ or ‘xs’… >.< )

          1. I have an awesome military surplus store jacket– warm, wears like leather, good pockets on the inside (cellphone AND book protected!), decent pockets on the outside, fits me perfectly across the shoulders and in arm length.

            It’s a men’s XL. A standard medium t-shirt is long and baggy on me….

            No wonder I got it for something like twenty bucks. 😀

      3. Just this last year, I got some Tall t-shirts from JC Penney’s that fit properly at the waist and shoulders (who knew that shoulder seams affected the look so much?) I will be getting some long-sleeved shirts from them soon, and will revel in the feeling of sleeves that go to my wrists.

        I recommend the house brand, Made For Life. Nicely thick material. Stay away from Liz Claiborne because it’s that thin stuff.

        1. Oh, and there are some online retailers, like the dress one that starts with “e” and then has something that sounds Indian (don’t want to trip any filters here), that actually do custom orders according to your measurements. For the same price (or very little more) than their “true to size” off-the-rack clothes. I am looking forward to the day when I can try that with jeans.

    3. I kinda have the opposite problem, with being a six foot man with women’s hips (younger son says I have childbearing hips – I haven’t killed him yet…), so I know what it’s like shopping for clothes that actually fit.

      1. I’d just like to be able to buy pants that, when the waist was around my waist, didn’t have the crotch hanging almost to my knees.

        And for that matter, pants that don’t have giant hip-hop flappy legs big enough to conceal-carry an AK-47 on each side…

        1. I’d just like to be able to buy pants that, when the waist was around my waist, didn’t have the crotch hanging almost to my knees.

          That, too. Plus, since I got fat, i find that every brand of pants I can find that fit, assume that you’ve got that big fold of fat below the waistline, so I could steal a watermelon without my pants looking strained in the front.

          Sorry about that visual. 😈

      2. Over 6 foot here and broad framed. Once went to use a store blood pressure machine and found my elbow wouldn’t go through the cuff. Muttered I needed to lose weight, and my wife pointed out my elbow wasn’t fat.

        I used to could shop at Wally World, Then the local ones decided they were in Munchkin Land and stopped carrying my sizes. And while it would help for me to lose weight, my shoulders aren’t going to get narrower and my arms aren’t going to get shorter.

        1. Large sizes of most clothing vanished from all the local stores when Michelle Obama started with her “War on Obesity.” Larger sizes have been creeping back, but not very fast.

          1. Obesity is one thing; shoulder size and arm length is another. And I’m running into narrow sleeves. I haven’t lifted weights in decades, but the cussed things are tight on my arms.

            As my wife pointed out when my elbow wouldn’t go through that in-store blood pressure machine, my elbows aren’t fat.

            1. My wife sews most of her own clothes, to get a proper fit. Bought a couple of tops recently, of the type that’s worn over other stuff – sleeves too tight to wear another close-fitting sleeve underneath! (Arms are far from fat.)
              They seem to be designed to fit anorexics.

            2. That must have been a different one than the ones I see, then, because I’ve never met someone whose ELBOW wouldn’t fit through. The upper arm, on the other hand, yeah.

  17. And we’re all that stands between you and torches and pitchforks.

    My willingness to stand there currently varies by the day…at least once since the election if it hadn’t been for the repercussions on my wife I would have picked up the pitchfork myself.

      1. Sarah, when the video of that unspeakable thing kicking her child out appeared, my wife had to remind me that I had other responsibilities and really shouldn’t make the 4 hour drive to Houston and find out if the “she needed killin'” defense was still on the books.

        If I’d been single, I’m not sure I’d have hesitated. Mary, have Mercy upon us.

        1. Unfortunately not, eliminated 10-15 yrs ago.
          But on the other hand, it IS Texas, where, many years ago, a friend of mine found his girlfriends ex trying to pull her out of his truck by her hair, pistol-whipped him severely and promised to shoot him if he ever saw him again.
          While driving home after that, he stopped to report the incident to a police officer parked along the highway, and when he told the officer the name of the offender, the officer replied “why the hell didn’t you shoot the bastard? He’s a drug-dealing asshole we’ve been trying to catch for a year. I would have taken responsibility for the shooting myself. That’s why we carry empty cartridge cases on duty.”
          It was an interesting place to live, then, and I liked it.

          1. Texas, where the officer who addresses the Lady’s Newcomer’s Club on home defense tells them that if someone breaks in and you intend to shoot only call the police after the gun play is over.

            They didn’t want to shoot you by accident.

    1. I cannot count the number of times this last week when I have paused to say a quick thanks that we are not watching assembly of Hillary’s cabinet.

      Sure, we’d be spared the Media intonations of “concern” over the moral rectitude of an appointee but we’d be muttering about it under our breath.

      1. We’d be spared the panic over the lack of transparency when the candidate goes to dinner without the press…you’d think he might be having dinner with an IT guy to setup an email server.

        1. The eagerness of the media to find something, anything negative to report about Trump’s incoming administration is getting tiresome.

        1. They seem intent on trying to win this election with violence. I suspect we’ll see an attack on an elector.

          I’m actually more worried than I was a week ago. I think the Dems have lost control of their mob.

        2. That web site is still broken. It has a header, some links to unrelated pages, a row of ads on the right, and just an empty white hole where I’d expect text to be.

            1. It sounds as if he has various script and ad blockers activating to block text from the site. I admit to mixed feelings about those plug-ins, teetering one way then the other depending on how much work is involved in detecting which blocked function is the one I want to release.

        3. From the article Hillary Clinton Supporters Doxxing, Harassing Electoral College Voters at Heat Street:

          Layne Bangerter, one of Idaho’s electors. “Nothing I feel intimidated over. But we’re watching it very closely. They’ve got our home phone numbers, our cell numbers, our emails, our Facebook. We’re just getting an orchestrated barrage from the left.”

          “They attack my religion, they attack my politics, they tell me that I must be a terrible father, I must be a terrible American, they use foul language — every swear word,” Bangerter said.

          Yeah, that’s the just the ticket. Denigration and personal insults have always made for such persuasive arguments.

          1. Word Press delenda est!

            I composed this in a e-mail blank. I have just gone and checked. I closed the blockquote. I had no HTML markers for italics around my comment at the end. I make mistakes, but this time it was most certainly not me.

        4. Missed that. In a DDOS-war sort of way, this seems like a great opportunity for a buncha people to doxx and harass the doxxers.

          1. While I do not endorse nor recommend actions along the lines of determining the home addresses of these harassers and calling 911 to trigger police assaults-in-force against them … I would shed few tears over such deeds, either.

          2. If I were an elector, I’d invite some friends over to thin the herd. Because nothing much says “justifiable homicide” better than a bunch of thugs outside threatening you and your family.

    2. I’m with you. Rather than stand in the defense of the distasteful, there are times where I’d just as likely turn aside and wave the villagers on.

  18. So glad to see you have finally come out as a kilt supporter, Sarah 😀 Welcome!

    Not that I would ever blow my own horn, but the demonization of tobacco and the sanctification of pot was sufficiently clear to me in the 1990’s that I put it in my SF series. There, tobacco is very illegal and only the high HTC varieties of pot are even regulated. I hate being prophetic… While I dislike tobacco–my father died because of the aftereffects of smoking–as long as I am not directly exposed I don’t feel the need to bring the weight of the law down on people. I think we would be better off as a society if pot were not given social sanction by legalization.

    Living in Washington State, I am seeing exactly the effects I feared. The pot shops are rife in the poorer areas, where people don’t have enough money for the true necessities. Yes, their lives to live, but when my taxes go up to cover more and more welfare, and children in foster care, and the jobs they now can’t get because of (rational) drug testing, and the increasing crime because even legal pot shops don’t give it away for free…. it’s only going to get worse. No doubt the lovies are now going to agitate for heroin legislation, because of course the only reason we have people dying in droves is the lack of safe, legal heroin parlors. (BTW, the cost of each overdose that the Seattle paramedics respond to is $2k–and the SAME PERSON can overdose two or three times a WEEK.)

    1. A week? Hell we’ve seen em twice in a night.

      And yep. If I didn’t have to pay for it I would be less averse to drug legalization. But we get worst of both worlds. An underclass, a criminal class and gotta pay for both.

      As to the signalling aspect, a month or so ago I saw a report from nih or cdc (I don’t remember) that cigars were significantly less dangerous than snuff or cigarettes. And then days later Fda pushes a bill so that every product must be independently tested and verified, even the small batch stuff. Same bill tossed blocks into ecigs too. Other than a control fetish it makes no sense.

      The most accurate method of recognizing future targets is outlaw what dad likes, legalize and push what he doesn’t.

      1. I’ve seen one article or commentary that one benefit of legalization would be a decrease in drug potency, or the cessation of increase in drug potency and contamination with dubious “cutting” materials. I am not sure it is correct, but the reasoning is this:

        An illegal substance is best concealed, and it’s easier to conceal something concentrated. Also, if a little and a lot both cause you the same legal problems, might as well have a lot, but make it easy to carry. A legal substance will supposedly have some controls and labeling (the cutting problem is reduced), and it’s partly the “being seen” partaking, so lower strength and even “zero” strength (NA Beer) versions can appear.

        $HOUSEMATE spent years and years as a volunteer EMT-Paramedic and is grudgingly for legalization of many and perhaps most illegal drugs. Not that having them legal is a Wonderful Thing, but that the Prohibition is a Worse Thing. And still there is PCP which is so much trouble that that is almost certainly one of the drugs that $HOUSEMATE would agree should be as hard to get as possible.

        1. The last time I had jury duty, I saw the opposite of what you describe in the last paragraph. I live in California, which is a “Medical” Marijuana state. Note the quote marks there, because it’s an open secret that anyone and everyone can get a doctor’s note allowing them to purchase marijuana (and due to the last election, even the “medical” part is no longer required under state law).

          I got called in with a group of people as prospective jurors for a marijuana case. IIRC, some guys had been caught growing in a house, and tampering with the utility meters. One of the things that every single prospective juror was asked was their opinion on the legal status of marijuana.

          There was a mix of opinions on the matter (and we literally went through every single person in our group of jurors, and had to have a new group called in; since I was the very last person in our group, I got to hear the opinion of everyone in our group). But we had several people in the group who were part of the health care industry, and every single one of them was opposed to legalization due to what they’d seen while working.

          1. “I live in California, which is a “Medical” Marijuana state.”

            Ah, “medical” marijuana…when they try to legalize that, they always talk about people with glaucoma in unbearable pain, or cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy who need pot to get their appetites back. And then, when legalization finally occurs, it’s amazing how many glaucoma suffers and cancer patients turn out to be young me in their early 20s.

            Glad California finally decided to give up the pretense. I won’t promise you that there won’t be any problems that go with it, though.

        2. It would mean that potency would be level. But when you have folks going right back to same bag after an od, you realize that it’s hit or miss to trust people. But it’s not an issue that motivates me either way tbh.

          1. Yeah. I can see legalization as it might (*might*) help, but more as it’s one less bit of government and prohibition doesn’t work. But even if *everything* were legal tomorrow…. I doubt there’s much I would even consider considering.

            Despite(?) my age, I have truly never used marijuana. Had a few opportunities in the early 1980’s and didn’t see the point then. $HOUSMATE says used it once, but wound up feeling too stupid to want to repeat the experience.

            1. Ya. I just fear that legalization at this time will just make another need group to be coddled.

    2. The short-lived TV version of Minority Report touched on this. The pilot episode showed advertisements for marijuana products, and a later episode was about taking down a gang of illicit tobacco growers.

      And re-legalizing pot doesn’t so much give sanction as remove stigma. That stigma is a part of the ‘cool’ factor of partaking.

      While drug abuse is bad, the War on (some) Drugs is worse. And this includes your ‘rational’ drug testing. Yes, it is bad/evil to, say, operate heavy machinery while intoxicated, with any sort of drug. If you smoked marijuana two weeks ago that does not affect your ability today.

      1. The inability to refrain from toking up for two weeks (or whatever the purge limit is) before a *voluntary* job application drug test is a good indicator that the applicant will not be able to subsequently refrain from toking up when employed. I will note that even in WA employers test for marijuana use. Their insurers require it.

        Sure, you can argue the current War on Drugs is badly implemented. So fix it. I should not have to pay the costs for someone else’s bad life choices. I would be fine with people doing whatever, as long as they accept ALL the consequences and leave me out of it. But no, I have to pay for their abandoned and abused kids, their emergency healthcare, and the crime. As long as that is the case they can deal with laws against drugs.

        1. At this point, the war on some drugs is at the core of the police and corrections industry. The depth of corruption incredible and getting anything fixed is going to require a massive investment.”So fix it” is meaningless without the context. Doing away with asset seizure would be a start.

          1. Doing away with asset seizure would be a start.

            Totally! Asset seizure has become too big a problem. The government has too many ways to take your property anyway.

          2. I take a strong pain killer twice daily due to osteo arthritis.I now have to get a paper prescription that is brought in person to the pharmacy. It’s not codeine or morphine. this ruling has only been in place for a year or two. It’s frustrating because the new rules affect the law-abiding.

            1. Yeah, the wife has three prescriptions that have to be hand-carried on paper. One of them is an anti-depressant, so I have no idea why that one is. That, and one of the other two can have refills, but the other one requires a visit to the doctor every month.

      2. On the other hand, IIRC the effects of over-drinking wear off sooner than the effects of over-smoking.

        IE If you drank too much Saturday, you’ll be mentally/physically OK Monday but if you smoked too much Pot Saturday, you won’t be mentally/physically OK Monday.

          1. The standard issue dope these days will take your head off. One joint of “the good stuff” in the 70’s was enough to get you high. These days, that much will cook your coconut.

            Then there’s “shatter”, which is the distilled essence of the super-weed, they boil the weed in solvent to dissolve out all the resin and oils, distill it, then they vape the distillation. I’m sure that could lead to some serious brain rot in short order.

          2. At the University of Mississippi’s Potency Monitoring Project, where thousands of samples of seized marijuana are tested every year, levels of THC have eclipsed 30 percent.

            The average THC during 2008 was 10.1%, according to Mahmoud ElSohly, director of Ole Miss’s pot project. Compare that to 7.3% in 2007 and under 4% in 1983.


            But he thinks it will level off at 16%, in about three-four years from now.

      3. There is a difference between indulgence and over-indulgence (my middle school anti-drug counselor’s phrase ‘Any use is abuse’ was utter BS, and I knew it at the time). So, again, I have no truck with people coming to work under the influence of *any* kind of drug. Yet, say Adam and Bill get off work on Friday night, and Adam throws back a couple of stiff drinks while Bill sparks up a doobie. Come Monday, Adam and Bill get nicked to do the DOT-mandated random drug test. Neither of them can in any way be considered intoxicated, but Adam passes the test with flying colors while Bill gets fired because he still has metabolites in his system. This is ‘rational’? Now if the testing were to determine actual intoxication rather than simply recent use, I’d be (however grudgingly) in favor of such activity, but it’s not. It’s possible to do such testing, but it’s much more expensive than the old cup check. And I can only think of a handful of occupations (say, neurosurgery or, as previously mentioned, nuclear powerplant operation) where *any* trace of intoxicants could be problematical. And I picked two weeks because there’s no way a person who last imbibed cannabis two weeks ago could be considered intoxicated in any way while it is still well within the window where its metabolites are detectable. And yes, testing is often mandated not only by regulatory agencies but by (at least partially War on (Some) Drugs-induced paranoia of) insurance companies as well.

        Odd how some of the entities calling for increased scope of drug testing are – drug testing companies. Or maybe not so odd.

        I agree that we ought not to be required to pay for the bad choices of others. Yet it seems we will, in one way or another, regardless of which path we choose, until we achieve a truly free and just society. Some (including I) object to being required to pay for emergency care, etc.; however, I also object to paying for the incarceration of my non-violent neighbors because they happen to use non-governmentally approved substances and for the ancillary consequences of that incarcertion.

        Just about any problem associated with drugs is either actually caused or else exacerbated by the Wo(S)D, which also causes additional harm through things such as the above-mentioned Civil Asset Forfeiture. Also the reluctance of doctors to adequately treat for pain lest they get on the DEA’s radar for ‘overprescribing’. (How many DEA agents are licensed physicians?) And the list goes on . . .

        The Wo(S)D is a war on the liberties of the people and ought not to be changed, ‘fixed’, or amended, but ended. At least when Prohibition was enacted, the buggah’s realized they needed to amend the Constitution to give themselves the power. Pinhead Nixon did it by Executive Order.

    3. > rife in the poorer areas,

      Long ago I noticed a peculiar sameness about billboard ads in the state capitol.

      Wealthy areas had the fewest billboards, mostly selling cars.

      Medium areas had more billboards, selling cars and promoting TV shows.

      Poor areas hat the most billboards, selling expensive liquor and women. (always shown together; it’s not always obvious what is for sale…)

  19. Total tangent but word is Syfy is going to do Stranger in a Strange Land as a miniseries.

    Now, it is far from my favorite RAH (in fact, it’s close to my least favorite) so I shouldn’t be that upset.

    However, given their track record with Earthsea, Riverworld, and Dune I am very afraid of what will come out of it.

    1. I thought the SciFi (at the thyme there were no “y”s in it) Dune was great. Earthsea not so much. Didn’t they also try the Terry Goodkind series? (not sure the series has a name) I didn’t much care for that, whoever did it.

      In any case, I agree the odds are against it being good.

      1. Sword of Truth series. I know someone did it. I’m not sure whether or not it was Sy-Fy.

        I hated the books, though (read the first one, couldn’t stand it; later read the second one since the series was so popular that I figured I might have missed something, but I hated that one too), so I never bothered to watch the TV series.

        Also liked Dune, although I didn’t like what they did with Irulan (they developed her character and made her sympathetic, but then left her in the same thankless position that the novel did at the end). Earthsea, though, was simply awful.

        On another note, BBC and Netflix are supposed to release a ‘Watership Down’ series next year. That announcement was one that filled me both with hope and dread at the same time.

  20. As his life spanned two centuries, he might never have fully realized it had changed or that attempts to dethrone religion from that “fashionable” position only wielded another religion, less rational and more militant.

    Civ 6 allows you to purchase religious units – missionaries, etc… – using faith points that are earned from your religion structures. All well and good, except that the last of the theocratic units appears well before the end of the game. And of course, the game needs something new to spend those points on late in the game.

    So late in the game, you can purchase a “Naturalist” with your Faith points, and use it to designate certain areas as “National Parks”.

    I don’t know if the developer was thinking along lines similar to what you stated above, but it does seem appropriate.

      1. Late last month. Sean Bean provides the voice of the narrator.

        It’s notably better than 5, imo.

        1. Five was a lot like three for me…I enjoyed it at first and liked a lot of the ideas but found myself falling back to the prior version because the overall game was better.

          1. I never could get into 5. I still play 4 every weekend or two.

            I wish I could get 2 running on a newer computer. I really liked the advisors.

        2. Sean Bean provides the voice of the narrator.

          So can we kill the Narrator?

          (I’m still playing Civ4, though.)

  21. I occasional peer at some past acquaintances digital virtue signaling. To a person, all the lucky high flying ones are astonished and depressed about the election results. Not a single one blamed their shitty example of a candidate nor even tries to understand the situation nor the opposition.

    These are the same trust fund folks that don’t understand why people won’t drop five grand to attend their destination wedding. Or think “Clock Boy” is some sort of genius inventor and not the son of a political opportunists. These are people that haven’t lived check to check for decades, never worked in the field or farm, never served in the military and don’t have a concept of true evil or morality. Many are caught in the culture/media and don’t see the strings that are pulled and the propaganda that twist their souls.

    There’s some good folks trapped in the Matrix, I just don’t know how to get then to swallow the red pill… But they probably can’t handle the truth. It would be mass insanity of Elder Ghod proportions.

    1. Even if one knew nothing about clocks, that was an odd thing. And having assembled a few kits and made a few things not from any kit… it still didn’t seem right. The only thing that looks remotely like what he had might some devices press into service for “chip music” where a device is given connections that the designer might not have imagined.

      1. It was deception/taqiya from the start – only a willfully stupid supporter of islam, like you know, Barack, could use his own taquiya to claim otherwise.

  22. Re: ODing on pot.

    You really can’t smoke your way into an overdose – even doing extreme nonsense such as a gas-mask pipe. You may not be happy with the results, but it’s not going to harm you.

    Ingesting it is an entirely different kettle-of-fish. “Over dose” in the sense of “go to hospital or die” is not likely. However, spending 8 hours desperately wishing it would clear your system is entirely possible (yes, experience speaking).

    Medically, the biggest problem is blood pressure. If one has (very) low blood pressure, even smoking can knock you out. It’s not particularly dangerous (unless you fall on something), but I imagine it is very scary.

    Newbies should not even try edibles – especially homemade. The potency is a crapshoot and the experience is so different that many people eat far too much the first time(s). The commercial stuff in Colorado is labeled with dosage, but unless you experiment, how do you know what is a little and what is a lot? The same size portion can have 10mg (“little” but non-trivial) or 250mg (for me that’s two Vicodin equivalent – very handy when one’s back gives out and Vicodin is not available).

    This is where the (imho hysterical, in both definitions of the word) news reports come from. Some idiot who doesn’t know how strong pot has gotten, gulps down a 250mg Cheeba Chew and doesn’t feel anything so he smokes a joint. Is then bedridden for 10 hours and writes an article about it (oh, wait, that was a “she”).

    Summary: If you visit Colorado and want to try it, be careful and start small! (and do it somewhere safe from interruption so if you do overdo it you can crash in peace and no one will be the wiser).

    1. The point is that restaurants and bars serving the edibles seems to me like inviting a hell of a lot of lawsuits.
      Not to mention, as I remembered from when I was looking something unrelated for Black Tide Rising antho story: if you have an unknown brain disorder (epilepsy or seizures, or…) it could actually trigger one and THAT could kill you. Particularly if you have the disorder, know it, but think that pot is “herbal and therefore never any bad effects.”
      Which mind you is not me saying they can’t legalize it for use in restaurants (and if it’s not smoked, I couldn’t care less) it’s just saying that I think there will be a lot of liability involved.

  23. A couple of thoughts on “second hand smoke”.

    First, I find it “interesting” to listen to the pro-pot smoking folks who are also anti-tobacco smoking.

    Second, while I’ll accept that some are allergic to either pot or tobacco smoke, I also know that plenty of people are allergic to perfumes. When will the ban on perfumes start? 👿 👿 👿 👿

    1. At least in elevators! Too bad the Colorado constitution just got harder to amend (I think that was my only “yes” vote on the entire ballot).

  24. A question (split out from above to avoid wall-of-text): What exactly is “rational drug testing”?

    Grocery stores drug-test. I don’t think being high while bagging is a threat to public safety – let alone having gotten high off-work anytime in the last two weeks.

    We don’t have that level of testing for alcohol. You can’t be drunk on the job (in most jobs), but drinking after work or on weekends is fine. Why is being high different?

    1. Knowing which of your employee candidates is fool enough to not have the sense to not smoke before going to do something where he might get drug tested, is a pretty good indicator of poor decisionmaking skills.

    2. Being high at work could mean being high while dealing with money, judging if a customer is old enough for tobacco or alcohol, or while using power equipment – those pallets aren’t all moved by muscle alone. Then there is delivery and being to have as many as possible able to do that if need be. The average day it might not matter. Now consider a floral department and a day in mid-February.

      Some is legal paranoia. Anyone under 18 isn’t allowed to open a door to a large trash or cardboard compactor, throw anything in, or operate (“Push a button”) it, as an example of that.

      In some ways it amuses me and in other it saddens me that some of the things I could do at age 10 are now forbidden to those age 17.

    3. Why is being high different?

      I don’t know if they have a test for blood level. Assuming they don’t, then you can’t tell if someone is high now or not.

      While it’s true that while bagging groceries, someone who is high may not be a safety threat, if you don’t notice that they are high and send them out to collect shopping carts, their judgement may be impaired, and they may crash a couple hundred pounds of metal into a car, a window in the building, or even a person.

    4. Ultimately it should be left up to the discretion of the employer: the employer knows best what they expect of a given job, and whether or not they want someone impaired to do it.

      You don’t have a right to any given job; however, if pot really is harmless to a given job, then market forces would naturally balance that out (assuming, of course, market forces are left to do their magic). It’s for similar reasons I’m against the Civil Rights Act: if you really want to pass up a qualified black person, to go for that doofus white one, then hey, it’s your bottom line. (And that’s why I oppose the minimum wage, because putting a cap on how low you can pay someone means that the black person can’t say “You really want to employ that doofus when I’m willing to work $1/hr less than him?”, thereby making your bottom line hurt even more.)

      In the meantime, you should be free to smoke pot, even if it means *your* bottom line will be hurt, and anyone who refuses to consider the full implications of their choices deserves what they get.

      1. “deserves what they get.”

        Somehow, though, that last part never makes it into the liberaltarian calculus. Instead, they wail about how unfair it is if an employer doesn’t want to hire stoners and tests to keep them out.

  25. “Oh, sorry about the hose — I thought you were on fire!”

    Seems to me smoking is smoking whether it’s cigs or pot, and either way it’s an infringement on someone else’s lungs — rather considerably beyond that done by perfumes, or B.O., or whatever other edge cases someone wants to dredge up.

    MT liberalized medical MJ this election, but the law includes a critical section: landlords and employers are NOT required to rent to or employ a MJ user, even tho it’s “medical” and the person has a prescription. Without this, I would have voted against it — because it is unfair to require that my property can be damaged by someone else’s medication, and smoke damages interiors, regardless of that smoke’s source.

    [My sister is also allergic to MJ smoke — makes her face puff up in seconds.]

    1. e-cigs should be exempted though. After older son researched them for a school project, we realized the vapor is actually GOOD for my lungs. I bought a set and “smoked” non nicotine cigs. They gave me something to do with my hands and kept me from getting sick as often. Unfortunately I’ve lost the charger. (Yeah, I’m still me.)
      I liked espresso flavored cartridges.
      Seriously, regulating them is insane. they have a disinfectant and water vapor. And none of it makes it to “second hand.”

        1. I think it’s the same thing I’ve been telling you about. The new tech favors individualists. One industry at a time, as tech improves, we’ll shake them and take them. I’m just longing for movies’ turn.

      1. It seems they want to subsume us under rabid puppies.

        Does that make Steve Bannon the Vox Day* of this most recent political upheaval?

  26. “I think my MIL tried to give me a hint, but she also tried to tell me she knew Latin women were submissive, so you can see how much attention I was paying.”

    Latin women. Submissive.


    1. I’m still trying to find a good concealed carry holster for my 18″ barreled AR-15; it seems that all the ones I can find don’t have room for the bayonet when it’s attached.

  27. I have a request for all the Huns and Hoydens who know something about putting together costumes. I’m looking to get my sister-in-law a cloak for Christmas, and I need to know more about cloaks so I can buy a good one. I’m looking for something that would work in many different kinds of costumes: a hobbit, an elf, a ranger, a mediaeval noble, and so on. So I think I’m looking for a cloak that goes down to the knees, but not down to the ankles.

    But there’s so much I don’t know. What materials are best, or are materials not all that important? What kind of price range should I expect to pay for a decent cloak? I’d like to keep the price under $50, if possible, because my Christmas budget won’t stretch much past that. Does that seem feasible, or would a good cloak be likely to be in the $100-200 range? Do I need to know my sister-in-law’s height, or her shoulder width, or something? Or are cloaks kind of one-size-fits-all? Are there any other considerations I should be thinking about, which I haven’t even mentioned because I’m ignorant about them?

    If you have specific costumers to recommend who’ve done good work for you in the past, that would be great too — but what I mostly need is some basic information about what to look for, and/or what to avoid. Thanks in advance!

    1. The first decision is, how will it be used, and where? If for an indoor costume, a lighter material will be cooler, though if you can stay with a wool or mostly-wool blend, it will drape better and be more comfortable.
      Colors for most of your characters will be natural dye colors, and for the hobbit, elf, ranger, etc., in the duller grey / green / brown tones.
      Nobles can use almost any color, but red, blue, and black were the costly dyes then.
      Cloak length is usually between mid-calf and ankle (not dragging on the ground is very good). Much shorter and it becomes a cape.
      For size, a 3/4 circle will give lots of drape an motion, as well as a good balance between front and back, which will take the strain off of the cloak pin or fastener(s) at the neck.
      Make the cloak, put it on the person, then set the hem to account for the way the material drapes over the shoulders, and down the front and back.
      Some kind of collar may be useful or stylish, but even a folded hem can be used to gather material to make the shoulders fit and drape well (which will keep the cloak from trying to slip off).
      For me, fitting the shoulders by taking in the material at the top-shoulder seam makes sense, and wears easily.
      Cloaks can be cold and wet at the shoulders if worn outdoors in bad weather, because the material is tight to the body there, so a separate shoulder cape (down to mid-upper-arm) and a double-thickness hood worn over the cloak can be good in winter, or can be worn separately.
      For clasps and decoration, look at some books of medieval illuminated manuscripts for examples.
      There are a number of artists, artisans, and merchants supporting the LARP groups, the SCA, and other historical re-enactors. Search for some of these and find what you like, either in cloak pins and accessories, or for complete cloaks, which can be lined or unlined.
      From some of these sellers, a good cloak can cost $150-$200 or more. Look for sales on wool at the chain fabric stores or on-line to get material to make one, (don’t go lighter than coat-weight, and not suit-weight) or look for light wool blanketing material to use as-is or to re-dye first.
      Good luck.

    2. I don’t know much about cosplay, but one word of advise: don’t pay for the cloak of invisibility. Once you hang it in the closet you’ll never see it again.

  28. “In fact, I’d say most people are on the edge of having a good ol’ “don’t care” snap moment.”

    Judging by the video compilations I’ve been seeing of protestors getting plowed through and slammed into for blocking traffic, I’d say that’s already happening. We do live in interesting times.

  29. I only got about half-way through the comments so someone may have already posted this. If you know the URL for a site you can get Google to search that site instead of the search feature on the page. You begin with “site:” then add the top level URL, a space, and what you are searching for. Thus:

    site:pjmedia.com bad romance

    turned up https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2014/9/27/book-plug-friday-bad-romance/

    as the top result. It looks to me to be the piece that you were describing.

  30. Ha! If not for the likelihood that torches and pitchforks would get turned against anyone in the vicinity and fire doesn’t care what it burns, I’d say go for it. Let them feel the result of their own arrogant stupidity.

    I recognize so much of myself in Sarah’s descriptions of the Odd People here that it’s scary. Always knew I was different than most (people say it’s *different to*, but that’s just crazy), but it wasn’t until I came here that I finally figured out how that difference worked. And that there were a lot of people who fit into the exact same odd category as me.

    Anyway… In peripherally related happenings I got a lecture today in a meeting at work about not saying anything out in public (i.e., social media) that runs contrary to the general opinion of the higher-education arena because everything we do could reflect on the university we work for. My boss is a very kind person and meant well, but I couldn’t help picturing the protests in Portland (which is not that far away) and wondering if that caution would apply to anyone who was protesting the Deplorable Donald Trump instead of maybe (gasp!) approving of the election results.

  31. “… We’ll take their names, own them, and spit them back at them.”

    I’m glad you figured out the shit-kicking part of the Alt-right; that is equal parts alternative, and right. I find myself sympathising with that part, even as I regret that they need to exist at all. There’s also the part that builds things, which I applaud unabashedly, even if the builders are (or may be) guilty of one or more categories of BadThink: Gab, Breitbart, Infogalactic, and Indy publishing houses.

    I hope they become the strongest, largest, loudest part. I have real hope that they will, because not too long ago the honest-to-Hitler neo-Nazis called out Vox Day for not being a realio-trulio white nationist, and Mr. Beale sided with Western Civilization against them.

    The trick is figuring out how those of us committed to the long cultural war, not just this recent election can encourage the shit-kickers and the builders and not drive them into the arms of the neo-pagan-dys-civic-Aristos.

    I’m open to suggestions.

    1. “even as I regret that they need to exist at all.”

      Okay, I think I’ve figured out where the disagreement is. This part, right here. No, the alt-right doesn’t, in fact, need to exist in order for Constitutionalist rule of law types to achieve their goals. In point of fact, the alt-right is deleterious to the achievement of those goals.
      The only question is whether they’re outright crippling or just going to cause unnecessary trouble.

  32. Excepting Odds, there are in my observation, 2 kinds of people: ones who walk into a room and turn the TV on (even if they immediately leave & have no intention of watching anything), and ones who walk into an empty room and turn the TV off. They seem usually to marry each other. (I think progs are the first ones and libs the last ones.) Anyone else?

    1. From a non-Cali viewpoint, and just judging from the notices printed on common products, the list of things NOT classified as carcinogens by the State of California would be much shorter than the things that are.

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