Tasty Tasty Pottage

I am dry-eyed and awake in what feels like the wee hours in the morning.  It is not.  For me it is close to eight am and for you guys on the east coast most of the morning has passed.  I have a distracting tendency to keep east coast hours, which means going to bed with the chickens and getting up at first light.

Today is that special kind of hell that comes after a day like yesterday, where I manage to torture myself both ways: for not noticing how much she was suffering earlier; and for putting an end to her suffering.  I keep second guessing the diagnosis (she always had stomach trouble from a kitten) then remembering she was having issues before the last move, then going back again– don’t worry.  It will pass.  And it’s no bad thing for me to feel small and stupid and impotent.  It helps me appreciate the words of the act of contrition [I have sinned]… in what I’ve done and what I’ve failed to do. Sometimes there are no easy answers, and nothing you can do that doesn’t leave you feeling like you did something awful.

Among my minor awful acts, I spread fear and despondency on facebook.  I know.  If I were the only one to do so!

But this one truly was stupid and hinged on my bad eyesight as well as anything else.  I recently had to change my address so i could vote in the proper precinct.  I noticed a line saying “do you want to receive your ballot by email” and was shocked (and so blind, I failed to notice it was grayed out for me) that I looked at it three or four times, and then felt something snap and yelled on FB.

What I failed to notice is the option for email ballots is only available to military personnel.

I still don’t like the risk, but it’s not as though our military people don’t face incredible obstacles to voting in time. They want it by email, they can have it by email.

The amount of fraud possible from that move is very minor compared to the other… ah… temptations to fraud inherent in the system.

Technically, we have a warm body franchise.  You are breathing, a citizen of the United states and over 18 years of age, you can vote.

These pitifully easy guidelines, it would seem should be lax enough for everybody.  They are not.  Over the last almost a quarter century there has been a determined effort to abolish them.

Part of the reason I jumped on FB (even though it was stupid) is that I have been mad at the craziness in our voting for a long time.

Our voting is now wholly an “honor system.”  I.e. you can sign up to vote without being required to show either proof of your citizenship, or of your age, even.

When I was a young woman, twenty four years ago, I could see the trouble with “enroll them to vote when you enroll them to drive.”  No one else did.  I was told I was suspicious, insane and, of course, racist.  (Why is it that people who assume BY THEIR VERY ARGUMENT that anyone darker than them is too stupid to figure out how to register to vote if it’s not done automatically, or to vote if they’re required to show the same ID they’d have to show to receive even welfare, or even to register more than a day in advance of the election, are the ones who get to call others racists?  Do they lack a mirror or are their minds so limited they don’t see the rueful irony in that accusation?)

And yet there were signposts on the road to hell.  You know I have an accent.  I happen to know I have one too.  I’ve been a citizen since 1988, however I know many women in my circumstances, married to American men, who never change their citizenship.  And yet, when I changed my license to Colorado (took me a couple of years after moving as, at the time, I wasn’t driving) I was asked if I wanted to register to vote.  I had assumed this might come up and had brought with me my citizenship certificate.  It was never asked for.  This did not reassure me.

Apparently the goal of it is not to insult me by implying I have an accent, or perhaps that I can tan (since again, the question is apparently “racist” it never having occurred to the cracked heads who make that sort of decision that an accent is not a race, just an origin of having grown up abroad a long time; and also that pale blond people too can have accents, be foreign nationals and therefore not entitled to voting in the US.)  You can’t insult me by saying I have an accent.  I know I have one.  It would be like insulting me by saying I am not six feet tall.  Presumably I know that too.  As annoying as it gets when cashiers and strangers ask the fateful “Where are you from?” (Just up the road.  You?) I do know it’s there and I don’t think assuming I have a higher chance than someone who sounds like they grew up in Texas of being a foreign citizen is a horrible insult.  Yeah, in the event, I’m a national and someone with a Texas accent might not be.  So? The answer is not to remove the requirement to show proof of citizenship from those who might not sound as citizens, but to make everyone show ID.  That we went the other way is incredibly stupid or malicious or yes.

The next sign on the road to hell was when a Japanese journalist, on some kind of exchange program, found that he could register to vote in Colorado DESPITE HAVING PROVED HIS IDENTITY WITH A JAPANESE PASSPORT. He wrote about it in the Gazette.

I knew then we were in trouble, but I didn’t fully understand how BAD that trouble until I was changing my address.

Yes, sure, what I feared was the worst — the ability to receive your ballot by email — was not true.  But that would not be a signpost on the road to hell, that would be a sign we were already consumed to ash.

Not only can you now register entirely on line — which since voting in Colorado is NOW entirely by mail completely spares you the need to have… well, a physical body because you have to show no proof of nationality, age, or, well… anything.  You just click a box on a page — BUT you can register (says right there) at sixteen.  You are, however, sternly enjoined not to vote till you’re eighteen.

Why sixteen, you ask?  Who the hell knows?  What good does it do to register you to vote (which is all the page does) then tell you you’re not supposed to do it for two years?  I suspect this is the mutant child of Motor Voter, because you can register to drive (with parent approval) at 16.  And still I must ask, though, since the page has nothing to do with drivers’ licenses and is ONLY FOR VOTER REGISTRATION why register you at sixteen?

I have said before that when I was a poll judge in Colorado I found a great number of people, showing up to vote, were told they early voted or voted by mail, and COMPLETELY forgot about it.  Apparently the rate of dementia in Colorado Springs is about 1/3 and affects people of all ages.

There are other charming things, such as recent reports that apparently we have the same enthusiastic post-vital voter participation as Chicago (well, done, Colorado, you’re coming along.  I’m sure it’s what every civilized place wants to be: Chicago.  Next up, we can make our streets into battlefields.)

Then there are reports like this: The Washington Mall Shooter VOTED. Three times, despite not being a citizen.

Apparently Washington and Colorado are of one mind about the right to vote being a thing to entrust to the honor system, because even though voter fraud is so rarely investigated or persecuted as to make the risk of lying/cheating trivial, EVERYONE is an honest person when it comes to voting.

NO ONE would do this with payments, even government payments, but apparently it’s fine to do it with the right of the people to govern themselves.

At the heart of the fact we have a warm body system is the idea that any restriction of voting rights will adversely impact someone and cause an unequal application of laws. This is why we print ballots in Chinese and Spanish and more exotic languages and never ask, NOT ONCE how people who are so limited in their understanding of the predominant language of the country can participate in its self-governing.  (Yeah, I know they can be very well informed through foreign newspapers.  And if you haven’t yet realized the joke that is, you have never really read a foreign newspaper for foreigners. They make the bias in ours seem non-existent and also most of the time they’re so bad they’re not even wrong.  Just a different universe.)  This is why — because some idiots abused them once — you’re not allowed to give literacy tests, or even to have the person “voting” be of sound mind.  This is why the vote of people with dementia, a growing demographic, is not debarred.

And this is why, in an excess of making sure that EVERYONE can vote, no matter how strange their circumstances, we have early voting stretching for a month ahead, we have vote by mail and we have register and vote without ever showing you have the right to, or indeed that you exist and are alive.

We have in this process gone well beyond warm-body franchise to imaginary entity franchise.  Nothing in fact — except perhaps foolish honesty — can stop me registering and voting for each of the entities that live in my head.

We have also in this way rendered moot the right to a private vote.  In states like Colorado which (against the wishes of its people, btw, as expressed by referendum) vote exclusively by mail, there is no right to private voting.  Any ballots mailed to a family address are subjected to the whims of a domestic tyrant, and I’ve already heard the usual rumors of people whose mothers or fathers vote for them, requiring only they sign the ballot.  Impossible you say?  How?  How is that impossible in a tyrannical family?  And how do you even prove it happened afterwards?  I bet you it’s happening, throughout the land.

In Colorado, and in many states throughout this great land, you can vote if you’re too young, you can vote if you’re a foreign national, you can vote if you’re dead and you can vote if you never existed.

Every time someone points out this is ALL on the honor system and all these violations are possible, someone gets huffy and says that there is no proof of fraud.

How would there be proof of fraud?  Besides which they don’t mean dead people shown to have voted, or even names like Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny who are assiduous voters.  Proof of fraud means someone was persecuted and convicted.   And how do you even start to do that, when the whole system is designed to obscure the identity of anyone who might choose to do so?

So, you say, better someone not entitled to votes, than someone entitled to vote is turned away.

How do you figure?

Say Bob is entitled to vote and does.  Meanwhile, Minny Mouse, Doktor Frankenstein, Michael, here on vacation from Australia, Joe who is a legal resident from South Africa, John who is American but who is not verbal or indeed mentally competent to vote and whose mom voted for him, and Cindy, Trevor, and 30 of their best friends who are all sixteen also turned out to vote.  What is Bob’s vote worth when diluted by all of those.

Is it that bad?  Can you prove it’s not?

Let’s suppose that everyone are angels unborn, unable to cheat or lie.  Let’s suppose that despite incentives, like cheating yourself bread and circuses, no institution was likely to actually use its power to create fake votes.

In a government of the people for the people, the important thing is that it be KNOWN it’s of the people.  I.e. you have to make sure you’re not being governed by a tiny minority who (as with fake twitter accounts, say) multiply their numbers by fraud on an industrial level.

In that situation, one fake vote is enough to cast doubt.  One OBVIOUSLY exploitable flaw, like being able to register at sixteen, but being told to be a good boy/girl and not vote till eighteen, is enough to cast doubt.

Like Caesar’s wife, the franchise of the American people MUST be above suspicion.  Which means in practical fact, that you HAVE to require each would be voter to prove they’re American citizens and over eighteen.

If we don’t do that — as we haven’t — we have not only sold our rights for a mess of pottage, but we’ve sold our rights of redress and righting this.  Or do you think officers elected by this corrupt system will let you overthrow it.

I think this is foolish.  The left — and come on, if it weren’t mostly the left intending to dilute our right to vote, it wouldn’t be them arguing for ever laxer rules and Motor Voter wouldn’t be Bill Clinton’s baby — has a curious tendency to mistake the wrapping for the present.  I think they think if they can capture the FORMS of government that means they captured the country.

As we’ve seen again and again in fields they captured, it doesn’t.  It usually leads to what they captured being rendered obsolete and superseded.

I don’t know if that can be done in government, but I bet you in five to ten years, we’ll find out.

Because this is not our pottage.  We’re not the ones who made the bargain.  And we want our rights back.




308 responses to “Tasty Tasty Pottage

  1. Today, among other head line teases, such as Matthew is now a Cat 5 Hurricane, was the dead purged from the voting lists in one state had reappeared … In between waves of frustration at the way the system is being gamed, my mind did take a little turn at a early Halloween ghost story. But the frustration is winning. Dang.

    • A clerk in VA caught another deceased voter being enrolled, only because the clerk knew that the deceased had been a local school principal, and that he had died several years. The (D) party worker avers that he did not on his own, no encouragement or assistance from others. And I’ve got ocean front property in North Dakota I’d like to sell you.

      • Oh goodie! Are we talking land futures? For like after the San Andreas fault line and Yellowstone Caldera go? Cool!

        • *backs away from approaching muse* Oh no, no, no story about a time-travelling real-estate salesman. No, nope, no!” *gallops off to hide in back of closet*

          • Is time travel truly necessary for this? Wouldn’t simple foresight suffice? … Imagining a character who can see the future, but only in broad and only at a distance of one century …

            • So how about a time travel investigation team checking up on all the lucky real estate investments/bets/market shorts across history, to make sure there’s no temporal hanky panky going on.

              Kind of Mulder and Sculley, one all hot to call everything time travel interference, and the other the skeptical prove-it-to-me type.

              But in the background there’s a real time travel conspiracy running. The conspirators are so eager to make sure there’s nothing to draw the attention of the Temporal Investigative Agency to the period in which they are active that they have a team running around eliminating any lucky guesses or insightful investments that might attract the TIA. But this creates a kind of Maunder Minimum of lucky market guesses, and that luck black hole in the historical record ends up attraction these two TIA investigators, in spite of their bosses thinking they are nuts…

          • Where you find a new litter of baby derringers!

          • Back in the 1970s a lot of people bought certificates entitling them to own land on the Moon. Consider if a bunch of those decided to do something about it…

          • “You see this little farm, here? I have inside information that it will be the site of a large shopping mall in 30 years. Here, let me show you a picture of what it will look like. Now, what would you offer me today so you can sell it at a FAT profit in 25 years?”

      • My “favorite” part of the story is where a VA House-critter(D) said it couldn’t possibly be voting fraud, because the guy was caught before the election. Then he went on about the R’s trying to suppress voting.

        Your choice, mister: a)pitchforks and torches, b)tar and feathers, or c)rope and lampposts.

        • When I voted in the primaries this year, and the poll workers asked me if I wanted a Democrat or Republican ballot, I responded with “Do you have a ‘Hemp Ropes and Streetlights’ ballot?”

          They just about fell out of their chairs laughing. Although to be perfectly honest, I was only half kidding. If that.

  2. “Every time someone points out this is ALL on the honor system and all these violations are possible, someone gets huffy and says that there is no proof of fraud. How would there be proof of fraud? Besides which they don’t mean dead people shown to have voted, or even names like Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny who are assiduous voters. Proof of fraud means someone was persecuted and convicted. And how do you even start to do that, when the whole system is designed to obscure the identity of anyone who might choose to do so?”

    It’s as if they are demanding that one prove that there is embezzlement, and only then will they allow an audit.

    • ALL is clear now. National politics are run by traditional publishers.

      • Or at least fellow travelers, educated in the same schools, living in the same gated communities, and all happily queueing up at the government teat for another four years of largess.

        • Rather…

          The Spouse has lately been complaining about reports that there are parts of the government, such as the EPA, who now apparently use funding grants to enable activist groups to go to court against the EPA for failure to address issues, resulting in orders that expand the authority of the EPA.

          • The EPA has been doing that for years. They identify something they want to regulate then pay an environmental group to sue them into regulating it.

            • FeatherBlade

              … Nixon strikes again.

            • I was reading recently, IIRC it was at Power Line, that they were attempting to pull that scam to use the Justice Fund (Where the Iranian Revolutionary Guard goes for all their financial services) to pump taxpayer money into Obamacare participating insurance companies after Congress officially tied the purse strings in a knot. They encouraged the insurers to sue the government to recoup losses, promising to take a dive in the courts. Unfortunately for their scheme, people noticed what was going down and now the Justice Department is having t actually defend against those suits.

              I don’t know a lot about legal ethics (I’ve long thought it might be an oxymoron) but colluding to defraud your client (directly the US government, indirectly the US taxpayer) seems like the sort of thing that would be barred by such a mythical beast.

              Yep, Power Line had it:
              “The risk corridor money has proved to be grossly inadequate to cover the losses of insurers. Several health plans have sued the U.S. to collect the shortfall. According to the Post, the Justice Department has signaled its willingness to settle the claims and, indeed, to offer payments to approximately 175 health plans selling coverage on ACA marketplaces.”

              • Can someone find out where these lawyers are licensed to practice and file bar association complaints?

    • BobtheRegisterredFool

      Remember that court order that bans the national Republican party from alleging that the Democrats have committed fraud?

      Between that and this cycle’s abject surrender of the field, I suspect it is time to replace the Republican party.

      • That’s a recipe for another two cycles – at least – of Democrats monopolizing the government.

        Far better would be for the GOP to announce that it no longer consents to the consent decree and dare the Democrats to sue. Discovery would be…enlightening.

        • Therein is the conundrum. The GOP really does not want to do what the base wants done. Too many want more McCain/Feingold style collaboration, and if it means allowing such horrid violations of rights, so be it. We already hit the level of the SCOTUS deciding that they really don’t need to follow the Constitution. Those supposedly on our side are now acting against us.

        • BobtheRegisterredFool

          That is what we may have anyway, if we stick with the status quo.

          You’ll recall my insistence that Trump is a Democrat and certain to lose? My belief that the RNC’s conduct constitutes an abject surrender of the field?

          Trump has proven the concept of a low spending plurality primary victory. The RNC has proven cheerfully willing to cooperate with same.

          You think the media won’t be willing to repeat the trick of ensuring a Republican loss by forcing the choice of a ringer?

          • Trump won the primary on the basis of appealing to the populism and economic ignorance of the working class as well as the “punish the GOP” vote. After 4 years of Hillary!, the latter are going to be willing to suck it up and get behind an actual conservative, probably Cruz.

            And remember, even if Cankles wins the White House, the Republicans will retain the House and might keep the Senate, which will limit the damage she can do.

            • the Republicans will retain the House and might keep the Senate, which will limit the damage she can do.

              What makes you think that will happen? Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan uniting to stop Hilliary? Never happen. They will roll over for her as eagerly as they rolled over for 0bama.

              • Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan uniting to stop Hilliary? Never happen. They will roll over for her as eagerly as they rolled over for 0bama.

                You mean like when they rolled over and repealed Obamacare?


                • You know, the NRA endorsed Harry Reid for years. Gave him money, phone banks, the whole nine yards. And they kept doing it. Because he voted against pretty much any gun-control bill that came down the pike.

                  Until their members finally wised up and realized that it DIDN’T MATTER how many symbolic votes on bills went their way, as long as he led the fight to confirm judges, Cabinet secretaries, and high-level bureaucrats who could and would take away gun rights in the dead of night and never stand for election.

                  Same thing as the GOPe. And now, probably too late, people are realizing it.

                  • Why I left the NRA years ago.

                  • If it’s so merely symbolic, why do people keep saying it never happened at all?

                    Rather than “Obama vetoed it and the attempt to overturn failed”?

                    • Oh, maybe because the eventual headline goes something like “passed everything Obama wanted rolled into a last minute Cromnibus so he wouldn’t call us racist meanies for actually using the power of the purse.”

                    • Oh, so a new variation on the “if they didn’t win, they didn’t fight” is that “if they didn’t do the same thing that didn’t work last time, they didn’t fight.”

              • You know, they haven’t. This is a misconception fostered by the alt.right and Trump supporters.

              • If you think Ryan and McClellan are rolling over for Obama, you have no idea what Barry’s agenda really is.

                • See my reply to Foxfier.

                  • But it’s not true. They actually held the line far better than we expected. The whole GOPe thing, and the idea they rolled over were championed by the Alt.right in an effort to take over and eviscerate the party. Because they don’t scruple to lie and impugn honest men’s reputation, they were FAR more successful than the libertarian take over attempt. It’s easier to get people to hate than to trust.

          • If anything, I think the nomination of Trump may lead to a serious investigation into vote fraud. My prediction is that Trump will lose the election, and then will tell the GOP to go fuck themselves and force an investigation.

    • I have started to answer “there’s no proof of fraud” with “And your party makes damned sure nobody can go looking for fraud, don’t they? Which proves that they are the beneficiaries of fraud, doesn’t it?”

  3. I guess what really irked me last time, when we had precincts reporting 110% voter turn out and 101% for a certain candidate, is that even the Hugo Chavez and Saddam Husseins of the world only had 99% of the vote. Are the Dems, or whoever is loading the ballot boxes, really that desperate, stupid, and lacking in confidence in their own candidate? Or is it just “if a little lead is good, a huge landslide is better?”

    • I find it interesting that the rules still have to be weakened more and more. how few people are actually buying their load, if they have to resort to that.

    • I find reports of hundreds of voters who must be over 130 years old, voting faithfully each and every election to be just as disturbing.

      • I read an article some time ago that attributed an overly-large contingent of centenarian voters to a default date of birth being entered for women who declined to give their actual age. Can’t find that specific article, but this one mentions it.

        • So it’s “only” women who were at least 30 years old and voted in the 80s and have not moved, gotten a new driver’s license or otherwise done anything that would cause their birth date to be updated. (Your birth date is on your license, my grandmother had several tickets for scratching out her birth-date because it was a bit of a scandal that she was…something like six months older than her husband, I can’t remember. It was silly.)

          Let’s see…. pick 35 years old, and 1985, for ease of calculating. Totally ignoring that’s about my mom’s age, and it’s much more likely that a woman who celebrated her 29th birthday each year would be at least a decade or two older than that.

          And limit it to female while we’re at it, of course. There were probably guys who declined to include their age, but there were probably folks who took a guess at the lady’s age and put it in, and some actual really really old people.

          So we go to ’08, so that’s that’s 33 years, they’re 68 or older.

          9,900 voted; 9.9k.

          From this site, just so we have numbers, there is about 520k ladies that are 68 and older. (Fudging what year that is for, because it is only likely to overstate the possible size of the group.)

          So, for the “default age was entered” theory to be correct, then it would be well over one in a hundred ladies who were at least 68 a decade back to have done NOTHING that would update their voting enrolment…..


          There’s fraud going on.

          Thinking on it, I can even see how the high numbers might be partly that– they move, register at their new address with their driver’s license change, and it doesn’t trigger their old registration being removed because the birth date is wrong. So it keeps going to their old house, and if those folks aren’t scrupulous, or if the post office has ONE person who isn’t, the by-mail ballot goes out the door and gets voted.

          • Actually, I believe the article I read about how the option was provided so that women didn’t have to reveal their age was for a different state with an earlier default date – if I remember correctly, it was New York, and the default date was just after the Civil War. I think that was chosen to be obviously incorrect, so that women wouldn’t be identified with an incorrect-but-plausible-and-embarrassing age. (As an aside, I know a woman whose professional biography on the company website understated her age by about three decades, and at my most recent birthday, I joked about having my third 21st birthday – restarting the count each time.)

            Does that explanation reasonably cover everything? Not at all. Could fraud be part of it? I have little doubt. I have a friend (liberal Democrat) who has been a poll-watcher in his neighborhood for a couple of decades, at least. He tells me that vote fraud is “a percent of a percent.” I am willing to believe that may be all that he’s seen and/or recognized, but I don’t believe that he’s correct.

            • The “insanely early default date” makes a lot more sense than a date that wouldn’t be that unusual to actually have when it was supposedly put in place.
              “Earliest date the system will accept” would be a logical default.
              If he had noticed more than a percent of a percent, and hadn’t done anything about it, he’d be a really piss poor poll watcher, wouldn’t he?

  4. The left believes it is OK to block highways, ruin peoples lives and do whatever is necessary to achieve their aims. Voter fraud is kind of minor compared to those so why believe they wouldn’t? It is, after all, What Is Best For Everyone.

    • They always assume they have the rights to the moral high ground because the evil that they do is performed for the best of reasons. That they also always seem to profit personally from those actions is pure happenstance.

      • It should be acknowledged that the abuses previously perpetrated to prevent lawful citizens from exercising their franchise were established by the Democrat Party. Literacy tests and the like were part of the Jim Crow regime by which the Left illegitimately claimed and held power in the American South. That the Left now abhors such policies is symptomatic of the reformed drunk who will allow nobody to imbibe, the ex-smoker who demands nobody smoke, the “born againner” who attacks all others as unbelievers.

        We must stop the Left’s projection of their own flaws onto others and make them abide reasonable standards.

        • And how do you propose to do that without firearms? Serious question; certainly the legal and political system is rigged against it.

          • There are several means of stopping the Left’s shenanigans. First to mind is the University of Michigan student who is employing their “Pick Your Pronoun” policy to demand he be addressed as “Your Majesty” (although personally I would opt for Your Grace.)

            Thus inflicting public embarrassment for advocating nonsense is one way to address this issue. Force them to the live up to the idiocy of their demands.

            Although I think we would probably find it more effective to employ truncheons, which offers the additional benefit of fulfilling their fantasies.

          • Time and again we are beginning to see how, when we common folk fail to acquiesce to their ridiculous demands, the left have few if any compunctions about reacting badly with everything from screaming fits to striking out with no regard for life or property. When denied free reign they act out like spoiled children, but with adult strength and access to weapons, rocks, bottles, even firearms. Sooner, rather than later, some on the left are going to strike out in the belief that just a bit of force will cow these stupid conservatives.
            And at that time who says firearms are off the table? Certainly not our constitution. And in even the bluest of liberal states self defense is still the law of the land.

            • Frankly I’m shocked that some of these anti-Trump thugs haven’t been shot already.

              • I’m not, and here’s why. Most of the violence is happening in blue jurisdictions, where gun laws and self-defense laws are either stacked against actually defending yourself, or the prosecutors/cops are known to be anti-gun. Houston is a prime example of the latter. In addition, those areas are known for being able to seat OJ juries.

                Second, most of it is happening outside Trump rallies held in areas such as convention centers that are gun free zones. Most Trump supporters are law-abiding and aren’t bringing guns into them. Finally, there’s the Secret Service, which is not only going to make sure the area around their protectee is a gun free zone (even the attempted assassination of Trump involved grabbing an officer’s pistol), and will deploy the metal detectors and searches to make sure it happens. No one wants a Federal gun charge, and they know Obama and his crew would make sure to bring one against a Republican.

  5. There is some evidence of people thinking about adding requirements to vote–but it’s all designed to get those barbaric rubes to stop voting for people they think are patently unfit for office. For example, a quote from a friend of a friend of a friend:

    “Would we be better off if people had to study and pass a test in order to prove a basic awareness of economics, history, whatever in order to vote?”

    • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

      Obviously, we have to stop people from voting for the Republicans. [Sarcasm]

      • Sarcasm noted, but lots of people are completely baffled at how these two candidates came to pass. Our Gracious Hostess (throws a box of Kleenex her way) has noted via her Instapundit posts the bafflement that some of the public has related to the Republican candidate being selected. It is not a surprise that some think this means they need to take even more control over the system.

        • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

          While I understand our Host’s dislike of Trump, my point is simple.

          While Sarah is rightly concerned about Voter Fraud, I’m very nervous about “earning the right to vote schemes”.

          I live in Illinois where it is common to talk about Chicago as “where the dead vote Democratic”.

          Of course, there was a time where the Democrats in the South were concerned about a certain group being allowed to vote so set up procedures that appeared to be “race neutral” but also had procedures to ensure that the other procedures didn’t apply to people that the Democrats wanted to be able to vote.

          IE “Education Tests” with the Grandfather Clause to allow people to vote who didn’t pass the tests but their Grandfathers were able to vote.

          So I don’t trust tests to “earn the vote” because there will be people in charge of the testing who will allow the “right people” to pass the tests and who will prevent the “wrong people” from passing the tests.

          • I do not disagree with you in any way. I think what I am trying to say is that even if vote fraud could be completely eliminated, those who want power will work to find another scheme to control the process. I, too, live in Illinois, and I have friends whose dead parents vote in every election from the grave.

            • Of course they will. We have to fight continuously. And while I find it bizarre we only have two democrats to choose for this election, make no mistake the downticket IS important.

          • Belgium, from 1893 until 1921, had a peculiar voting scheme known as “universal plural suffrage”. Any male over 21 got one vote; if you paid a certain amount of property tax you got an extra vote; if you had a college degree (then rare) you also got an extra vote, for a possible total of three.

            That was actually a typical “Belgian compromise” between the poll tax then in place (which limited representation to about the upper 2%) and demands for universal (single) suffrage — which ended up being introduced in 1921.

        • The voters woke up about 10 or so years ago and began trying to take back some control of the republican party, [the democrats too but not in the same numbers] ie the Tea Party. Basically they didn’t like how the party was doing things so set out to tell the party that.

          The republican and democrat reaction to this was out and out horror and shock. They lashed out and did their best to squash and squish the Tea Party out of existence and make irrelevant any candidates they did succeed in getting elected to express their opinion.

          Well Squashed and squished it might be the Tea Party didn’t actually go away and in the process of dealing with the Tea Party they aggravated even more voters. I divert at this point to acknowledge our hostesses extreme dislike of Trump as a candidate. She has presented perfectly good reasons for her opinion based on personal knowledge, experience, and background. So having acknowledged out hostesses dislike we move on to why the voters are going Trump.

          First recognize this. Trump was not seriously trying to run for president. He wanted to spike a couple of people who had ticked him off by getting in their faces a bit, and also move the discussion in the direction he thought. Important.

          Unfortunately for him those points he wanted to move the politicians on, Immigration being one, resonated with the populace who had just been given the finger by their supposed elected representatives. Before he knew it, Trump found himself riding the tiger of popular opinion.

          Hillary was just the chosen candidate and it is sad, I was going to say kind of but it is really just sad, that she didn’t have to good sense to step aside. Her campaign kind of feels like Dole doing Viagra Ads. Kind of sleazy and kind of sad.

          So that is more or less how you got these two candidates minus the self destruction of most of those on the right.

          Anyway that was my 2 cents.

        • There’s no mystery.

          The Republican primary is deliberately stacked to nominate the moderate with the highest name recognition. See also: Romney, McCain, Bush II, Dole, Bush I… The push was for Bush III, but the RNC was hoist by its own petard.

          The Democratic side is even less surprising. Hillary has dirt on almost everybody. (What? You think her office illegally having the FBI files of politicians during Bill’s terms was an innocent one-off mistake?)
          Most of the rest owe her.
          Every major potential rival was eliminated before even throwing their hat in the ring. That’s not an accident.

    • I am saddened but not surprised at the lack of any sense of history your friends comment has. This is in the doomed to repeat it category of throught.

    • Very early in our history only landed property owners could vote. Honest citizens without holdings were disenfranchised. Later literacy tests were used as a means to disenfranchise blacks. And don’t forget that females could not vote in national elections until 1920.
      How dare anyone insist on photo ID requirements to vote. This is obviously an attempt to disenfranchise resident aliens documented and other, the dead, and those individuals who simply wish to vote multiple times in the same election. How evil to so deny such rights.

      • It is not that I disagree with a Photo ID requirement to vote, it is that I disagree with a Photo ID requirement. Papers please! Because we are talking, of course, about a government issued ID, which means that the government can effectively deny me my right to vote by not issuing an ID.

        I don’t have a good answer to the problem. Perhaps some sort of hard-to-copy one-time-use chit that gets mailed out before the election and must be presented (or mailed with ballot) to vote. Yes, also possible to abuse in countless ways, but harder for the government to deny to people who do have a right to vote.

        But if the electoral system were already totally corrupt, I suspect that the media and other establishment types would not be so totally invested in the campaign cycle. If you have already bought the outcome, why waste so much time and money on it. Maybe things are not quite that bad. Yet.

        • the campaign cycle is the WWF.

          • I only wish it really were. We could have a couple of goons waiting in the back to rush in and beat the ever lovin’ tar out of the two in the ring, declare themselves the champions of liberty, and proceed to turn the tables on the whole corrupt mess.

            It’s something of a standard tactic when things go that far down the toilet. I’d vote for zombie George Washington in a heartbeat. He may have an unquenchable thirst for human flesh, but hey, as long as he’s confined to DC…

            • “Courtesy call for Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus, courtesy call for Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus. Please pick up the white phone.”

              • Patrick Chester

                I’ve caught myself wishing for a Thomas Theisman, even if I know that’s too much to hope for. :-/

                • With capital urban renewal by Esther McQueen?

                  • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

                    She didn’t do a complete job. 😉

                    • Yes, but she took out huge swathes of some of the fanatical and extremist factions. BLM, ANSWER, Acorn, Islamists, et al. disappearing might improve the political climate.

                  • Starting with DC. Admiral Cluster Bomb is the best answer to a cluster f*ck.

                  • Patrick Chester

                    No, McQueen was in it for her own power. Theisman simply had enough of StateSec’s crap and was lucky he managed to dump a lot of the political stuff on Pritchart.

                    It is too much to hope for, and probably not a good idea. Our military shouldn’t become kingmakers (or Presidentmakers) at all. Though the People’s Republic of Haven was way past the point we’re at.

            • BobtheRegisterredFool

              Long ago, the month before the 2008 election, there was a diner fic contest. I had a plan.

              What kind of President would Alucard from Hellsing be? Perhaps better than Obama?

        • “Because we are talking, of course, about a government issued ID, which means that the government can effectively deny me my right to vote by not issuing an ID.”

          While possible, it would only keep your from voting once, maybe twice. If the government did deny you an ID for an illegitimate reason, you would certainly have standing to sue. At that point the government would either have to give you an ID or abandon any claims of democracy.

          When compared to the millions of Americans who are unknowingly disenfranchised by voter fraud, the risks of voter ID are greatly outweighed by the benefits.

        • I seem to recall recently reading an interesting argument that there is no “right to vote” — it is a privilege which can and ought be forfeited by refusal to comply with certain reasonable standards.

          You are always free to refuse to obtain or provide picture ID, just as you are free to waive those privileges which accompany it. In earlier times in this nation the function of voter ID was accomplished by neighbors able and willing to vouch for you (and in such large urban districts as NY City and Chicago it was commonly abused.)

          • This is quite true; there is no right to vote anywhere in the Constitution. Where the Democrats fell afoul of the 14th Amendment was not holding everyone to the same standard; as long as even the literacy tests had actually been applied uniformly, there would have been no issue. Now they’ve realized that they can win just as easily by flooding the system with bogus votes.

            • The dirty little secret is that it was the exemptions that disenfranchised blacks. Literacy tests were universally applied, but if you were a Confederate veteran or a descendant of a Confederate veteran, you were exempt from the test. Consider that long after the literacy test bit the dust, I waited in line behind a white woman who had to sign with an “X” and had to have the ballot read to her. Odds are that under the literacy test law she would have been exempt even though she was illiterate.

              • In West Virginia back in the Fifties & Sixties when my parents did their stint as poll watchers the “rule” was that there had to be either two legs showing beneath the booth’s curtain or six — two for the voter, two for the Democrat aide and two for the Republican aide. I do not recall them asserting this rule was faithfully upheld, especially where the United Mine Workers held sway.

                “Four legs good, two legs bad!”

              • “Literacy tests were universally applied, but if you were a Confederate veteran or a descendant of a Confederate veteran, you were exempt from the test.”

                Had they been universally applied there would be no exemption.

        • > the government can effectively deny
          > me my right to vote by not issuing an ID.

          Arkansas has a state ID card, which is a driver’s license with “NOT A DRIVER’S LICENSE” overstamped on it. It costs $25 for six years, last I looked.

          You have to have a photo ID to get prescription drugs, to enter various state or Federal buildings, to buy alcohol or cigarettes, to buy a firearm, and any number of other purposes.

          A Federal ID, like a passport or a military ID, will do for most of those… but the Fed doesn’t have to issue you any kind of ID either.

          • Ditto Texas, except as I recall the non-drivers license is free (a local lady was the first to have one, because her mother led the fight to get one made available. Daughter can’t drive due to medical problems, and couldn’t get a job or bank account without photo ID back in the 1960s). Someone in the Panhandle got one last year, just to see how difficult it was. Not difficult at all, and the DPS/DMV folks were quite helpful.

            • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

              Here in Illinois, you can get a State Picture Id for non-Drivers.

              I got one for Mom after we had to take away her car-keys.

              Note, I did this after an “interesting” trip she made to my sister’s house, an hour’s drive away.

              Mom didn’t argue about it. I think the trip scared her as much as it did me and my sister.

            • Quite true; my wife has one.

            • One can reach certain conclusions about the agendas of some folks by the fact that they could provide suitable ID to millions for less than what they spend fighting these requirements.

              Of course, all the money spent demanding politicians pay for birth control, abortions and such from the public till is probably far greater than establishing charitable foundations to provide such “services” through the private sector.

              Proof how logic is a tool of The Patriarchy.

          • I understand that several states are now issuing that photo ID free of charge to counter claims that requiring an ID to vote is discriminatory.

      • In 2010 North Carolina had over 2400 registered voters over the age of 108. This led to changes in election law requiring ID, eliminated same-day registration, reducing the number of early voting days, and the number of early voting sites. A federal judge decided this was racist and threw it out. A panel of the 4th circuit with two Obama appointees agreed.

        The depth of the problem in NC seems to vary by county. The 108+-year-old voters were mostly in two counties. In the county where I live (Wake) there seems to be a history of cleaning the rolls. After my wife (a Chicago native) passed away in 2007 I took a certified copy of her death certificate with me to the polls in 2008, figuring she would haunt me if I let her vote from the grave. I didn’t need it. I checked the book for our precinct and she had been removed.

    • “Would we be better off if people had to study and pass a test in order to prove a basic awareness of economics, history, whatever in order to vote?”

      Sure – let me design the tests and the grading criteria. What could go wrong, eh?

      I realize this is a task likely beyond the abilities of a singe person, even somebody as enlightened as Teh One, so I would subcontract out most of the work to the Heritage Foundation, National Review, American Enterprise Institute, the folks at Cato, and (particularly for topics related to the first two amendments) the NRA, having them provide a list of questions which I would approve and which would then be put into a database that would randomly (cross my heart) generate lists of twenty questions for those wishing to vote.


      I’ll be judge, I’ll be jury, I’ll try the whole cause and condemn them to minority status in perpetuity.

    • Here’s an idea: You have to pass the citizenship test when you register to vote.

      • I believe so, but it would require a constitutional change. People born here of any parentage should be permanent residents until 18 when they can become citizens.

        • Fundamentally, I like it. It wants some tweaks, such as citizenship being awarded upon completion of a test (who writes the test, eh?) or via military service (with military instruction in rights, privileges and duties of citizenship) but be aware that no matter how we set it up there will be those who undermine it.

          As Mr. Adams said, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” I might cut some slack on the “religious” point, but the logic of liberty demands we govern ourselves else somebody will do it to us.

        • Well, you’d still be a citizen if you were born here and didn’t register to vote. You just can’t vote.

          • Nope. You aren’t a citizen till you take the citizenship test (it’s beyond easy) and swear allegiance to the constitution and the nation. Until then you can live here forever, have all the rights. You’re just not a citizen.

  6. Actually it turns out that the Washington shooter was a full US citizen having passed all the requirements. Having achieved this status he started voting in 2014. That said it doesn’t detract from your over all point. Our system of voting is insane.

    People keep asking me why I roll my eyes at the current crop of the voting system is being Hacked stories. Well if you read the stories it isn’t the voting machines or the results of people voting that is being hacked. No what hackers have done is access the voter rolls electronically.

    Given how screwed up the existing voter rolls are. … what does it matter if the hacker adds people or hell shock… deletes people. I mean you can show up at the polls and fill out paper work to vote if you aren’t registered with you theoretically being vetted after the election day.

    And don’t even ask about California’s voter stupidity.

    • I mean you can show up at the polls and fill out paper work to vote if you aren’t registered with you theoretically being vetted after the election day.

      Not in all states. Many require you to register before a certain date in order to be eligible to vote.

      • No longer true, especially at the Federal level with Motor Voter.

      • Well in the Republik of Kalifornia you just have to walk in the day of voting and fill out a voter application then and there. The county Recorder will check on it’s validity after the election.

        Oddly I actually believe my local county recorder would do that. But I’m not so convinced about the LA counties recorders office. Or anywhere in the Bay Area. Oh well.

        And just think. It’s a mystery why Kalifornia votes Demoncrat so regularly.

    • I’m waiting for some sort of evidence– the guy was confirmed multiple times by federal officials (per King5, the same source for the new claim) as well as law enforcement as a permanent resident, and only after hit its the national news does one federal official tell King news that he was really a citizen?

      Stinks on ice.

      • Ah, HERE is why the sudden “oh, no, he really was a citizen” response:
        However, she went on to say that the situation this week highlights a problem with current Washington state law prohibiting the Secretary of State’s Office from verifying citizenship of registered voters.

        Under a proposal revealed Friday, Wyman and nearly 20 county auditors, across party lines, called for state law to be changed to bring it into compliance with the federal “REAL ID Act,” meaning proof of citizenship would be required to get a driver’s license.

        • Just for fun, maybe British Columbia or Oregon could bus a bunch of people in to mess with Washington elections…

          If the southwest states did that, it would be another club in the endless “water rights” problem…

          • The ballots are all sent via mail, there’s no need to bus anyone.

            Part of the reason why I know that my vote doesn’t count.

  7. And a second point I thought I would mention and get my c4c in because I forgot to check the box on my other reply…

    It has only been a crime for nonciizens to vote since 1996 when congress passed a really wierd law making it a crime sort of. Prior to this law it was up to each state and 40 states and territories had some provisions on the books allowing legal resident aliens to vote in local elections.

    I said sort of on the federal law because it is full of options and exceptions to being a nonciziten your voting is a crime. /facepalm/

  8. It is my expectation and dread that Hillary Rodham Clinton will be duly elected as our next President. She is evil, corrupt, and incompetent, but the media is in her hip pocket, the current powers that be including a discouraging number of RINOs think she’s the guarantee to four more years of their personal gravy train, and all the little lefties hear is her promises of tax the rich to give us more free stuff. Add that the Dems are past masters at voter fraud to the point that some have even bragged about it, and how could she possibly lose?
    And I predict she will further degrade our status among nations and create the sorts of policies that will likely lead to armed revolt and blood in the streets.

  9. Sarah, I live in Virginia, where 19 dead voters were re-registered to vote in Harrisonburg, VA. One was a dead WWII veteran, a retired judge whose name was recognized at the registrar’s office, a coincidence which led to the exposure of malfeasance. Not likely anyone will be prosecuted as we have Terry “$500,000 visa selling scheme for golf-cart production” McAuliffe as governor. Now, why did an ardent young political wannabee re-register dead people? Because dead people vote in Virginia!!

    More from today’s ZeroHedge, where you can learn more about Andrew Spieles, all-American political chisler, and his partner-in-hijinks HarrisonburgVOTES founder Joseph Fitzgerald. No criminal charges, just like Hillary~


  10. With all of your sadness (and I understand the rounds your mind is taking about the death because I still go through that with my late-hubby’s death), a mistake like voter registration email is okay. Besides you were just seeing a future– I do that sometimes. See patterns before they have been completed. Doesn’t make you wrong– just calling the warning early.

    Hugs– I am at a complete stop right now. There is a point when everything stops because we just can’t hold the dike back anymore. If you are there with me, I couldn’t be in better company.

  11. (Why is it that people who assume BY THEIR VERY ARGUMENT that anyone darker than them is too stupid to figure out how to register to vote if it’s not done automatically, or to vote if they’re required to show the same ID they’d have to show to receive even welfare, or even to register more than a day in advance of the election, are the ones who get to call others racists? Do they lack a mirror or are their minds so limited they don’t see the rueful irony in that accusation?)

    Frankly they are the one who are generally living under the influence of those educated at elite schools and living in metropolitan areas who are being monumentally provincial, attempting to do the White Queen one better.

    They think that requiring an I. D. is disenfranchising the poor and minorities because they are believe that the poor and minorities must not be able to afford cars and therefore do not drive. In a densely populated city with semi-decent mass transit it may be possible to get around without a car, and costs entailed in keep a car in a city are often prohibitive, but not everyone lives in such places.

    (Yes, after that push about seven years ago to destroy older cars it did reduce the number of used cars available to the market … but whose fault was that? They were just trying to stimulate the America auto industry and get gas guzzling polluting cars off the road in the bargain. These people just don’t think things through.)

    Nor do they think about all the other situations where I. D. is now necessary, such as entering a court house. They do not consider that those called for the jury duty are pulled from the voter registration rolls. If you are registered to vote and have no I. D. you might well find that the way you will get into the court house is when you have been charged for failing to appear for jury duty.

    They argued that it was out of consideration that people should be registered to vote at the same time as they get their driver’s licence, for it is far too difficult for people to get the time and where-with-all to be able to go out to two different location to be able to get their licence and to register to vote.

    (Yes, for some people it can be difficult to take time off from work, and hourly worker face loosing precious pay. But, due to the law of unintended consequences this isn’t such a problem anymore, as the government fixed it by mandated benefits which are forcing more and more companies to cut workers and hours in order to stay afloat.)

    I could go on, but why belabor it? There are mushy thinkers, and this is a result of their not thinking comprehensively, engaging in wishful thinking and just plain sloppy thinking

    • If those poor people are denied access to the polling place because they don’t have cheap cars, how are they getting to the supermarkets?

      • I was ten when the family moved into into center city Philadelphia, to the edge of a neighborhood that was then in the process of re-gentrification. Go a block south or a couple blocks to the west it was still ‘bad.’

        There were two markets in walking distance. Neither of them had parking. There were also a couple of other small stores each of which occupied the bottom of a single row house in the neighborhood. A little further, if you didn’t mind a bit of a hike, you could shop the Italian Market. Again, no parking. If you wanted to go to a supermarket you had to leave the city.

    • We have been desperately “where does food come from tomorrow” poor. We’ve never been without a car. At one time our car was thirty years old, had a missing front bumper and was mostly rust (the result of someone else “trashing” it after an accident, by selling it to us for $1500.) Right now our youngest car (younger sons. I’m jealous) is ten years older. Our oldest (mine) is 24. Husband’s is 22. It’s the best set of cars we’ve ever had.

      • I hate to mention it considering the subject of this blog post, but the youngest car in our household will be shortly be old enough to register to vote and the oldest could run for state office.

        • Register it as a (D) and run it. Can’t be any worse than some of those currently in office. 🙂

          • Years ago The Daughter used to have a magnificent plan to run a campaign for a stuffed shirt on a hanger, but the humor of it has somehow been lost in the intervening time.

            • Step 1: Acquire stuffed shirt in a hanger.
              Step 2: Place kitty-cat on top. Keep occupied there with treats, etc.
              Step 3: Take a picture.
              Step 4: Register as a candidate for office…
              Step 5: Campaign!
              Step 6: Refuse to take part in any in-person debates. Phone it in, Skype, send out your campaign Labrador with sound bites, press statements, etc, “my opponent is against nip, treats, and has fleas!”
              Step 7: Win!

              • You aren’t acquainted with The Daughter are you?

                • Just barely possible, if she’s on the East Coast. *chuckle* I do get around quite a bit from Lower Mass. to Georgia, depending on where the company sends me next (thankfully I get home time about every other day at the least, and can remote in to check my mail and such). I’m actually quite shy in person, though. I much prefer books as company.

                • Robert is. He has limitless admiration for her quirky mind. 😀

    • I don’t know about your area, but here in Arkansas both major political parties and several church groups have run ads for decades; if you don’t have transportation, they’ll send a car or bus to take you to the polls and back home.

      I don’t see how it can get much simpler than that. Of course, I still don’t understand why the old photo ID law was “racist” either…

      • I have read reports about Dems (gee, why is it only they get to do this?) holding rallies at Black (gee, why there?) once early voting has begun, then loading everybody up on buses and going en masse to vote.

        I am sure the argument against this being a violation of strictures regarding Church & State would invoke the “fact” that in the African-American Community the Black Church has been a yewwwww-nique center of the culture and is not actually religious in the way those bitter-clinger cracker churches are.

      • I do believe that the get out the vote organization of the Dems in our area have long organized transport from public housing areas and through certain churches.

        The argument used to overturn voter I. D. in the state (NC) is the down turn in votes compared to the prior election in the state from such areas in the first election after it took effect Mind you that first election after it took effect was an off-year election …

        • Hell, Democratic officers in Philadelphia openly pay people to round up votes for their candidate.

          The federal governed declined to investigate.

    • CA long ago switched to getting the jury pool from driver’s license rolls instead of voter registrations because people were apparently not registering to vote, in order to not get called to jury duty.

      • In some places, “jury pool” is closely akin to being punished for a nonexistent crime.

        The jury selection process in most places is severely broken. You want a representative jury? We’re back to my Powerball plan again. First twelve valid Social Security numbers that come up, they’re your jury. No jerking dozens or hundreds of people around and wasting days or weeks of their time.

  12. Christopher M. Chupik

    Meanwhile here in Canada, terror suspects are taking selfies with our Prime Minister.

  13. scott2harrison

    In many ways I find the e-mail thing more outrageous than the rest. After all the Democrats have done to our soldiers, after they threw away victories that they had died for, after telling them that carbon footprints are more valuable than their lives, they are now going to steal their votes and crow to the world that the soldiers voted for Hillary. I would not blame the Colorado National Guard for paying a visit to the office responsible for counting votes and razzing it to the ground with the employees still inside the next time that they are home from Iraq and/or Afghanistan and/or whatever war Obama has them fighting now.

    • Scott, I am not in the same state because I ASSUME that they’re returned by mail. If they’re returned by email, I’m there with you.

      • scott2harrison

        Hopefully, but will the postmark be checked to verify that it is from where the soldier actually is. This is presuming it has a postmark at all, in 2000 a bunch of votes were thrown out in Florida because the Navy did not postmark ballots being sent from ships.

        Yes, I am paranoid. AND cynical.

        • I know, I know. And we all are Scott. It’s not paranoia when they’re really out to get you.

        • I do think the emailed ballots are a sop to the “lost or delayed” ballots those overseas seem to suffer nearly every election. It does simplify things, now they only need to lose the incoming mail, as opposed to delaying the outgoing just long enough, and then “misplacing” the few that did make it back within the deadline.

          • When I was in the military, I never got an absentee ballot until the election had already taken place.
            I was only deployed for two of the eight.

            • I have heard of a few soldier and sailors who got theirs late, and had known they were mailed well in time by their registrar’s office, but someone, somewhere “misfiled” them before they got delivered, and also some that got there in plenty of time, were delayed somehow on the return trip.

              • Not a single time while I was in did Washington send my absentee ballot to the properly filed military address– every single time, it went to my home of record.

                Neat trick: if it doesn’t look like a ballot, but instead like, say, a big envelope such as you’d use for pictures, it made it in lots of time to be mailed from home.

      • We found out in 2000 that a lot of states don’t bother to count absentee votes at all; they’re just thrown away. Other states only look at them if the election is really close; others only on a recount.

          • Wow. I’ll say this for Connecticut, I know we count our absentee ballots, because I’ve been worked the polls for about 8 years now, and I’ve seen our town district totals for each candidate, and they always have a line for absentee votes and it’s never zero.

            On the other hand we have Same Day Registration, and while the registration is ‘provisional’ the vote is cast and run through the tabulator just like a regular vote. If, after the fact, the voter turns out to not be eligible, how do they know which vote to remove from the count? Answer? They don’t. So effectively that person gets to cast a counted ballot no matter their actual status as a legitimate voter.

            At least we don’t have voting start months in advance, all by mail to make the fraud and/or coercion all that much easier, and my town hasn’t had any dead voters that I know of. I’m sure the idiots in Hartford will figure out how to coorrect that soon enough. /sign

  14. “You know I have an accent.” So who is registered voter Musen Squirl voting for this year?

    When we moved here to Texas, where they DO police their voter registration (Literally; it’s administered by the Departmernt of Public Safety) Deborah was required to go to court by our local DPS office and legally change her name TO her name to get her TX DL and register to vote. The judge had a time working through that one. I’m not sure “OK, let’s back up here” is precise legal terminology…

    Several members of that office were subsequently fired and prosecuted foir selling DL’s at $3K a pop.

    • iirc. Moter voter registration started before the DL office at Troop B (State police office for New Orleans) got shut down for fraud with selling licenses and registrations on cars to highest bidder.
      What is funny is some of those buyers paid more for a no DL and no insurance proof registration than if they’d paid for actual insurance for several years and the max fine to get their DL reinstated ($350).
      Then it turned out the car inspections were even more corrupt, and Nagin shut that racket down. But man, a lot of folks who “couldn’t afford to register legally” could afford to pay more than the car/truck/etc was worth to make it look legal.

    • I misread that first line as Mosin… Nagant voting. Mental image was, candidate headshot, name on a placard at 200yds. You shoot the one you are voting *against.*

      Is it bad that I’d take that over our regular ballot box in a heartbeat? Vote by headshot would be very popular in some areas of the country…

  15. Election Day should BE Election Day. Close the bars, close the banks, close the businesses and HOLD AN ELECTION. Anybody too lazy, stoned drunk or stupid to get to a poling place: six to be you. Neighbors and party volunteers can help the infirm to the polls.

    • Christopher M. Chupik

      I think this year a lot of folks will need to fortify themselves with booze before heading to the polling station.

    • Close all businesses? Give everyone the day off? I gather that some manufacturing processes are not so easily shut down for a single day. And would that include police, fire fighters, EMTs, hospitals, power plants, etc?

    • I remember urging Rhys to vote while I was in the hospital (We had just lost Damien.) – and there was a voting booth in the hospital. There was one at the airport. My in-laws told us about it.

      I am ok with voter ID myself, requiring proof of citizenship and/or birth certificate.

      I am aware I am a minority in this but I like that Australia requires voting. I think it is a responsibility of citizenship

      • No. We don’t need more uninformed voters. Sorry. If it’s a duty, it’s a grave duty to be undertaken after thought and consideration, not by mandate.

          • Unfortunately, the concept of “duty” has been degraded in the past 30-50 years by constant attacks on teaching things that were considered standard previously.

          • So do the Chicago dead – that’s why they vote from the grave. 😛

          • BobtheRegisterredFool

            Republics are perhaps among the most maintenance intensive forms of government.

            If you just throw warm bodies at the problem, they aren’t going to have the skills and knowledge to do maintenance, instead of, say, sabotage.

            Teach people to understand, and they will do maintenance of their own volition.

            • Republics are “the most maintenance intensive forms of government” because they involve citizens rather than subjects. I would question whether other forms actually are government, but am not at this time inclined to think through the arguments, much less propose a name (well, despotism comes to mind, but those seeking to impose it are forever quibbling that it is kind and generous and good for us) for what those alternates constitute.

            • That’s because republics are inherently unstable. The tend to become either oligarchies – with a monarchy being a degenerate case of oligarchy – or democracies (which in turn become oligarchies). The question we face today is how far from the equilibrium point have we strayed, and is there enough energy available to get back there.

            • and we have one (and some argue, a part of the other) major party who needs the electorate as ignorant of proper maintenance as possible to stay in power, and has spent years working to make more and more ignorant folks to vote for them.

        • For the last several elections I have felt it more of a public doody, complete with desire to kick sand over the evidence.

      • There are many reasons the U.S. choose not to require voting. If there is no one that you feel you can in good conscience vote for, a situation many are facing this year, would it not be an imposition to require you to do so? There are religious communities that do not take part in voting, seeing that as worldly business. If you do not take the grave responsibility seriously enough to get it together, find a way to register and go vote — even when there are more than a few organizations quite willing to aid you in this — why should you be forced to do so?

        • Ah. After asking Rhys I did realize that we don’t quite have the problem of having to choose between 2 parties. There are loads of parties to choose from; and indeed the last election caused a lot of upset to our local close equivalent to the Democrats in the US: the fact that Pauline Hanson’s One Nation party got enough power in government that they are able to significantly influence the policies of the nation while still requirin

        • bloody wordpress. Complete comment below:

          Ah. After asking Rhys I did realize that we don’t quite have the problem of having to choose between 2 parties. There are loads of parties to choose from that folks generally don’t have to wrestle with their morals to pick candidates, no matter how minor. Indeed the last election caused a lot of upset to our local close equivalent to the Democrats in the US: the fact that Pauline Hanson’s One Nation party got enough power in government that they are able to significantly influence the policies of the nation while still requiring the agreement of the other parties like Liberal and Labour. In this way too they are able to pull the breaks on some of the things that the other two parties may try to put in, and renegotiate for a better position.

          As for voting, every single person who is registered faces a fine if they do not go to the polls or do a postal vote. That doesn’t necessarily stop you from drawing a picture of Abraham Lincoln on your voting paper. You turn up, you are checked against the nominal roll for the electorate, handed your voting slips and sent to a booth to fill them out. Once done, you put them in the voting box. The one with the Abraham Lincoln drawing is counted as an ‘invalid vote’ – so turning up on the day is the required part, voting is up to you. There is an option called the ‘donkey vote’ -ergo, “I don’t care” – and are considered ‘valid votes’ towards the ‘I don’t care’ pile.

          Basically, the idea behind mandatory voting is ‘You can’t fence sit.’ and you can’t say “I had nothing to do with it.” You can choose to vote anyone listed or vote by party, so the problem of ‘I don’t like the people in the major parties’ doesn’t really come up. You can choose to support Joe Desertguy who supports farmers, for example, but not support the rest of his party, and if you like this magistrate running because of her policies toward local businesses, you can tick her. (Apparently, this was the case with the election in 2013 that got Tony Abbott the prime ministership then – most people voted for individual seats, not party.)

          I don’t know if there is religious exemption for voting; but the best example I can come up with is that guy who has a tiny monarchy in Australia, but he is also independent – he satisfied all the requirements to be considered an ‘independent nation’. There is also more information on the website. The FAQ has “I don’t believe in compulsory voting” and the question is answered with, more or less “It’s the law here.” This is Australia, not (insert other country.) I don’t think it would work in the US, because of the two-party system that has happened there; here a third party has the capability of getting power (see again, the surprise of One Nation being a major holder of power this time around.)

          I see Australia’s requirement to vote is basically ‘this is the one time we will require an answer to the question: ‘who do you want to choose to represent you? If you want to draw a veiny choad then we got your answer.’

          *I suspect that Pauline Hanson’s party got so much traction in the past 24 months is because her message has primarily been to integrate and to stop this micro-culture ‘independence’ from society divisions which is strongly resonating with the rest of the Australian people. “If you want to be here, integrate” – and that means cutting away the things that fit with Australian culture. “Become Australian, or fuck off” and “Love it or leave it” are strong opinions here; especially with the addition of “You just left that hellhole you went away from and are here, and now you’re trying to drag our place down to the same hellhole you just fled from – and we are saying no.” There are democratic processes to change things in the country; such as voting for the person who supports the changes you want. There is also the referendum vote, like that resulted in Brexit in England. There was one for gay marriage some years back and the response was ‘no.’ There are people trying to push for a new referendum again, but interestingly there are pro-gay marriage politicians who are actually against a new referendum being pushed now – because if it’s decided against this time, the question won’t be allowed to be brought up for a number of years (I hear a minimum of a decade, to longer; I’ve heard fifty.) And it falls under the “Just because you did not get the answer you WANTED doesn’t mean you get to pester everyone else with the same question again and again.”

          From what I understand you have to be checked against an existing voting roll, which is from everyone who ever registered to vote. Technically it is possible to not register yourself to vote at the age of 18; but you are essentially recusing yourself from the whole electoral process entirely – once you register, you have to do it.

          The fine makes sure that the ones who can’t be arsed to do it get off their bums to go (That’s a fair amount of beer, after all) even if it’s just to go draw a picture of a peen to let the government know what you think of having to get out of the house that day.

          And it’s all still paper votes. No electronic ones. There have been people trying to get electronic voting put in, but the observed shenanigans going on with countries that have brought in electronic votes have consistently (so far) kept the process on paper. It takes a long time to count the votes and make sure that the numbers all add up, but the tedious process seems to work.


          As an aside question: I don’t really understand why, if there is no major candidate you like, you can’t ‘throw your vote at’ an independent you do. Honest puzzlement here; I know people back home who voted for a different candidate, even if there was no chance of them winning.

          • because of the non-parliamentary way things were set up, is why we tend toward two parties. We have many parties, and occasionally get a “Third Party Candidate” with enough support pulled from one of the other two to cause a “sure Win” to become a loss (Perot did it to GHWBush and the leftoids blame Nader for Kerry losing to GWBush)
            and we have had some odd party or Independents win (The Dems drove their former VP pick from the party over the Iraq war, and he maintained his Senate seat), but for “control” it falls to the party with the most seats, period. No adding other parties until you get a majority.
            Some in office want to change that.

            • We have our diversity inside of the parties– all the “two party option” does is tell you who the “make an alliance so we have power” is likely to involve. It can go otherwise, like how Washington’s state… I think it was the house… has two oldfashion Dems who have been voting with the Republicans on the important stuff like guns and taxing the heck out of everyone, but that thing where “here’s the party platform, the guys with the letter behind their name at least don’t make a priority of opposing it” is about as tight of a party as we get.

              • Most of the Diversity ends at the state level though. Louisiana had several “Conservative Democrat” reps, who when in National office changed parties to Republican and tended to vote party line most of the time. Funny, some have long since left office, and are lobbying for Dem causes again. Nationally they dems drove Joe Liebermann out for one thing, and the rest of the time he voted straight leftoid policy.

                • We just had an open socialist run for President on the Dem ticket, and they had to cheat to keep him out.

                  Didn’t say it

                  • Well, that’s unique… no idea how it posted in mid typing….

                    Didn’t say it was SANE diversity. Most of the sane Dems now identify as Republican– Huckabee isn’t a horrible politician, he’s just a Democrat who’s been running as a Republican. And the Republican party has it.

          • I think as with a lot of other policies, Australia gets away with it because in population it is much smaller than the US and because no one wants to mess with your politics, really.
            With us, it would become a fight for the LIVs which would overwhelm those who know what is going on. We already have too many LIVs voting.

    • That was a bitter point with me when I punched a time clock. Due to gerrymandering, three or four hours at the polls isn’t unusual. And the “standing in the rain” part.

      Meanwhile, in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, election day was a holiday. And they didn’t even have to pretend that there were two parties to choose between…

      Of course, in ancient Athens the citizens paid themselves to vote. I wonder how long it will be before some bright spark remembers that…

  16. c4c

  17. Despite my being mythical, I have NO plans to vote in Colorado myself. Of course, that doesn’t mean it won’t happen anyway, alas.

  18. The “You cannot Prove fraud” standard ought be applied in other arenas, immediately. Think how convenient it would be for Wells Fargo, to pick one example, to be able to declare “Nobody can prove those people didn’t want those accounts.” As a corporate accountant I can readily see how much easier it would make life to change auditing standards from “The company has to demonstrate it has enacted and complied with safeguards to prevent material error in their financial statements” to “Whatever, it’s all cool.”

    I realize it is inconvenient to require political parties, administrative agencies and judges to heed the voice of the people, just as I realize how nice it would be for them to be able to declare “having lost confidence in the people, the government has dissolved the people and elected another” I think it misses the point: our government was established not on the principle of simplicity, ease of use, efficiency, or convenience; it was established for the protection of Liberty.

    Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

  19. Gee, for some reason this headline —

    Man went on killing spree to cover up murdering his parents

    — seems oddly relevant to today’s blog post. His logic seems perfectly in line with Progressives.

    • Given all the dead voting and organizations like acorn, I’m frankly not worried about these hack. If you read the articles it isn’t the systems on which you vote that the hackers are accessing. All the hackers are accessing is the voter registration rolls. The same thing acorn and similati organizations regularly submit fake people to. So I’m confuzzled. Does it really matter if it’s acorn hacking the rolls or a hacker adding people?


      • Replied to the wrong person.

      • Of course it matters. Each one of those added people is an absentee ballot that can be filled in and voted without verification. One of the things people were up in arms about in 2012 were precincts voting more ballots than registrations. That solves that problem.

        • I recall a story from one of the last two presidential elections (someplace in PA?) which involved all of the Republican poll workers/watchers being kicked out as soon as the polls closed and when they were allowed back in 15 minutes later, miraculously ever single voter in the district who was registered as a Democrat had voted.

  20. So I decide to go Googleing for information on Email voting, and find this article which was just posted:


    Yes, we have been hacked, but, hey, no need to worry because so far there is no there there. Really?

    • Given all the dead voting and organizations like acorn, I’m frankly not worried about these hack. If you read the articles it isn’t the systems on which you vote that the hackers are accessing. All the hackers are accessing is the voter registration rolls. The same thing acorn and similati organizations regularly submit fake people to. So I’m confuzzled. Does it really matter if it’s acorn hacking the rolls or a hacker adding people?


      • It is not the specifics of who is mucking with the voter rolls, it is that the voter rolls are being mucked. No one should do it. Every fake voter’s vote undercuts the power of the franchise from those who are legitimate voters.

        • Yes but given that there are entire organizations that are supported by the government or rather one party of the government but paid for by the government who add fake people. I’m hardly going to get worked up by a hacker doing it.

          • Each vote that is illegitimate negates a legitimate one. You aren’t worried by a few added by a hacker, but what if it is your vote that is rendered null?

            The issue is if this hacking is a test run AND if they are going to vote these hacked identities.

  21. AAlabamaDill

    Over ten years ago, in wa state, sitting on break in wm in a rural area, reading, but without my earbuds in. Heard a low information voter tell her friend how she liked voting by mail because her son had just turned 18 and she. Was voting his ballot. My mouth dropped and I gasped. Involuntary. She was offended when she asked me what my problem was. I said you just publicly admitted to a felony. She didn’t believe me. Of course WA is where they repeatedly found boxes of ballots when the first 5 counts showed a republican being elected govnr.

    • Yep. I followed that on Sound Politics. My sister who lives in Seattle insists that only Rs have ever committed voter fraud in the history of the world, and didn’t see that there might be a problem in King County when by the end of that clusterf*** significantly more votes had been cast than there were registered voters. If the Rs are the ones doing the fraud, we’re doing it really, really badly if the Ds keep getting elected when it happens.

      She’s also one of those who can’t understand the problem with Acorn registering the same person multiple times in different districts. As long as the person only votes once no fraud has been committed! She refused to believe that the multiple registrations alone could be illegal, even when I showed her the Ohio statute saying exactly that. And yet I’m the delusional and mentally unstable one of us.

      • I fear your sister is the best friend of the gal in Albuquerque who tried to register me to vote while I was standing on the corner waiting for a light to change. I told her I wasn’t a NM resident. “That’s no problem!”
        “And I already registered in Texas as an independent.”
        “Oh.” And she trotted over to sign up one of the drunks waiting for the bus. Not as an (R), either.

        • We don’t talk anymore. Or at least I don’t talk to her. And I honestly think she has no clue why I’ve cut ties or that posting all over Facebook that someone is mentally ill, etc., etc., etc., might require an apology.

          I pointed out to my father once when he was trying to get me to talk to her again that he wouldnt expect anyone to stay friends with a non-family member who had pulled the same crap. I’d spent too much time in therapy learning not to be a doormat to start up again just because its family. He didn’t say anything, but he’s never tried to get me to contact her again either.

          • Oh yeah. A good friend finally severed all FB contact with her blood-kin after one too many “But that was [double digit] years ago. Come on, be nice” type comments. No, not when problem person is still being a hard core problem.

            • I think my parents realized it was just my sister being my sister, just as she has been for over 50 years. When we were little she’d do stuff just to get me in trouble, and even though mother (at least) recognized what was going on, she only ever sent me to my room over it. When we talked about it some years back (which was when I found out she knew exactly what the little brat had been doing) I pointed out to her that if she’d sent both of us to our rooms a few times, it would have stopped.

              She had no answer.

              It sucks being the eldest, expected to act like an adult from about age 5, but not treated as one even at age 55.

              My family dynamics would make a good psych thesis subject. My youngest sister (who is also considered too fragile and ditzy to survive in the real world) has told me we need to move at least 100 miles away from the parents. Given that there are no jobs in New London County Connecticut, it’s not going to be too hard.

              • My dad did the same thing. He once told me that he knew one of my brothers made a game of repeatedly provoking me, timing and escalating his provocations so that I’d finally respond just when my dad got home, thus becoming the one deserving punishment.

                Never gave me advice on stopping it, either, just kept telling me not to respond. The personality traits that helped imbue me with have done me poor service over my lifetime.

                • Ugh. Makes me grateful for my parents.

                  Not only did you get in trouble for doing something you oughtn’t, but if you were caught instigating (which included nagging, prodding, or generally being a jerk to stir someone up– roughly, lack of charity) you got in trouble, and if you reasonably should have stopped them but didn’t, you got in trouble.

                  It was kind of rough to live through, but it did result in at least two rather decent, very responsible kids. (Which two would depend on who you asked.)

          • One of the more irksome qualities of most Liberals is their arrogance, their unearned moral superiority. They are presumed right until proven wrong, we are presumed wrong until we can prove we’re right.

            Once the rove is proffered, we are racist/sexist/homophobc/xenophobic/deplorable for bursting their bubble.

            That is one reason I always like to challenge their arrogance early in any discussion. It doesn’t always work, but what else can you do with somebody who defends packing congealed milk fat into their watch on the grounds that “It was the very best butter!”

            • Once the rove is proffered …“??????

              Once the proof is proffered …

              Stupid flingers.

              • Or to be more precise, once the proof is offered, the goal posts are moved, and our proof is somehow not proof because we didn’t get it from the right place. An article from the WSJ can’t be used because everyone knows it’s a paid up member of the VRWC. But something from a DKos diary is just fine, because no one who posts over there would ever tell an untruth. Our anecdotes, things we have seen with our own eyes, are discounted as just a single aberration, while anything they see is obviously how things happen everywhere. Etc., etc., etc.. (Should there be a second period after the abbreviation period? It looks wrong both ways.)

  22. > you can sign up to vote without being required to
    > show either proof of your citizenship, or of your age

    Arkansas has always (well, for the last 35 years…) required ID to register, and ID to vote. A few years back the legislature changed that to “state-issued photo ID”, which set off screams of outrage… entirely from out-of-state people. A lawsuit was duly filed, and a Federal court struck down the state’s photo ID requirement.

    I still show mine even though it’s no longer required. Most of the poll workers have never seen a CHCL before.

  23. ” I’m a national and someone with a Texas accent might not be. So?”
    Knew this very thing in Texas., although two of those Texan accents are now Citizens, for most of the time I knew them they were Mexicans, though both grew up in Texas. Meanwhile, I knew a several folks with heavy accents (one Mexican, one Englishman, another a Scott) who were very much so Americans.

    • You never know who you’ll find in Texas.

      I’m still surprised Michael Moorcock chose Texas when he retired…

      • It’s an odd half and half. Paris and Texas

        • You sure he isn’t in Paris, Texas?

          • Or Paris, Arkansas?

            Arkansas’ settlers weren’t much for originality in names, and that’s probably one of the reasons the original post codes, and later ZIP codes, were introduced by the USPS. Arkansas town names are not unique; there are as many as six of some names, scattered across the state.

            Even the legislature and tax gomers forget that, which is why I get new tax tables in from the DFA saying that some town has changed their sales tax, and then I have to figure out which one of several that town might be…

        • Paris until he’s sick of smelly, rude, uncouth Parisians, and Texas until he tires of the heat?

          • Depends on where he is in Texas. Maybe he likes changing stinky smells.

            • If you’ve never read Barbara Tuchman’s “A Distant Mirror”, it’s worth it just for the description of Avignon, which smelled so bad that it turned barbarian invaders away…

              And this was by comparison to Paris, where people simply dumped “night soil” by their doorways, resulting in oozing piles several feet high on each side of a door. (Britons of the same era made a little extra effort, and heaved it away from the doorway out into the street…)

  24. Absolutely off topic – ordered the George short from Zazzle, long-sleeve version. I like! Good quality, and the shirt is actually a light-weight material, much better for spring through autumn wear than the usual long-sleeve tees.

  25. About voting:

    It’s Democrats wanting to continue elections in the manner in which they’ve become accustomed. Even if we knew nothing about the shenanigans Democrats have pulled in the past, we could deduce that from their opposition to proof of citizenship or proof of identity to vote. Then they have conniptions when Chic-Fil-A wants to register voters in Florida.

    It was most instructive that when Georgia had a van going around to issue free IDs for voting, the mainline media didn’t say boo. No announcement of when it would be in a town, or where. Odd thing for folks that claim to be all about enfranchisement. Ah, but they could run editorials condemning ID to vote. In other words, the Democrats and the mainline media wanted no ID to vote so bad, they’d rather people who didn’t have a form of ID never get one, even if that meant they couldn’t vote. So it wasn’t surprising that Democrats never hosted a voter ID drive so that people could get free IDs, and to this day I haven’t heard of any. They can haul people to the polls, but they can’t help them get an ID? Suuuure.

    • “They can haul people to the polls, but they can’t help them get an ID? Suuuure.”
      Ahh, but then they’d not be able to drive those people from polling place to polling place so everyone gets as much voting in as they can.

      • Y’all really need to see The Great McGinty

        “McGinty’s career begins when he is a tramp who, offered a $2 bribe to vote under a false name in a rigged mayoral election, does it thirty-seven times at different precincts. This impresses a local political boss …”

        “If it weren’t for graft, you’d get a very low type of people in politics.”

        — — —

        Politician: Very simple, my boy. Ya just go down and vote for Mayor Tillinghast and come right back here and collect two bucks!

        McGinty: How ’bout votin’ twice?

        Politician: That’s four bucks.

        McGinty: What’s the jail sentence for repeatin’?

        Politician: Who said anything about repeatin’? Where do you think this is? Hick’s Corners? Some people is too lazy to vote, that’s all. They don’t like this kind o’weather. Some of ’em is sick in bed and can’t vote. Maybe a couple of ’em croaked recently. That ain’t no reason why Mayor Tillinghast should be cheated out of their support. All we’re doin’ is gettin’ out the vote!

        • Hmm. Looks and sounds vaguely familiar. Maybe my dad watched it some time whilst I was visiting.

          • It won the 1940 Academy Award for Best Screenplay.

            Brian Donlevy is probably best known for his performance as Gary Cooper’s nemesis, Sergeant Markoff in 1939’s Beau Geste. It is reported that Akim Tamiroff’s performance as “The Boss” was the model for Boris Badenov.

    • Actually, that kind of makes sense, and not in “Eeeeeeevil plot” sort of way. Busing people to the polls requires very little effort one day a year. Getting people IDs, on the other hand, requires sustained effort, patience, and waiting.

  26. Is this place the only part of the web seeing much activity today? I’ve seen very few posts on forums I frequent, few comments on other blogs I follow, and virtually no visits to my own blog. There are fewer real news articles on most of the MSM sites. Have the Clintons started rounding up those who oppose them so they can’t vote in the elections, and the press are too busy helping out to put out news?

    • been slow posting from me for some time. installed an old fashioned mortise style latch and lock on my basement door most of the day.
      guess everyone else is busy for some reason.
      I doubt there is any thing to worry . . .wait, someone seems to be at the door.
      Just a minu

    • Ehh, they haven’t come knocking on my door yet. Of course, I’m also in Texas, so…

    • I haven’t been looking around too much today, so no answer. I know Netflix is down, and maybe that’s part of a larger mess of some kind (aside from the mess of the US turning anything internet-related over to an international committee.)

      International and committee, two words that strike fear and loathing into the hearts of anyone with an ounce of sense.

      • ounce of sense. That ‘splains why 0bama and his ilk think it is a grand idea

      • Working for me now though when I checked a website that tracks reports of it being down there was a big spike today. Probably Luke Cage scared the new lords of creation.

      • I was gone for much of the day and expected to see a larger delta on the web in the 20-ish hours elapsed since I’d been online than I witnessed. Since this crowd is still chiming in, I guess I can toss the Clinton explanation. Maybe the Netflix thing has something to do with it, but very weird.

        Nothing good can come from turning ICANN over to international control.

        • well, after it collapses, maybe something better will occur.


          stop looking at me like that

          • scott2harrison

            Anyone interested in starting AmericaNet? Same software, same models of hardware, even same wires (Virtual Private Network) to start. Just a different set of root DNS servers and different ISP’s (or even same ISP’s, but a different account in some cases).

            • scott2harrison

              I would plan on supporting IPV6 only, although would listen to arguments for V4 support as well.

        • Amazon launched Twitch Prime today.

          Must be that.


            • Video game thing; twitch.tv formally.

              Think hobby radio but streaming TV by gamers for gamers.

              Amazon bought it a few years ago, and they just launched a “connect your account and get discounts on physical copies of new games (from pre-order to first two weeks it’s on sale)” benefit to Prime. Some other stuff, too, like a Hearthstone hero.

    • BobtheRegisterredFool

      I’ve seen some stuff, but I’m a bit tired and out of it for any sort of mental inventory.

  27. As annoying as it gets when cashiers and strangers ask the fateful “Where are you from?”

    *laughs* Being both curious and having aspirations to be polite, I sometimes say something like “I’m having a heck of a time placing your accent; where is it from?” Sometimes “I’m just terrible with accents, where is yours from?” if it’s a fairly obvious one*.

    This works really well for things like the German lady who married a man from someplace deep south shortly after WWII, lived in the south for ages, and was visiting her grandchildren (I didn’t ask if it was greats or what….) up in one of the Seattle area bases. She had a REALLY STRONG accent, but wow.

    *(This prevents Moose and Squirrel related injuries.)

    • Oh, yeah, there are people who just speak Russian to me.

      • It really saved my bacon at one point, because the Ukranian refugees (as in, their-house-was-now-a-Russian-made-hole) that were having a yard sale sounded exactly like normal Russian accents. I did not ask “y’all Russians?”

        That’d be right up there with asking my Korean neighbor if she’s Japanese…. (which no, I didn’t do; acting more ignorant than I am gives folks room to talk, and I avoid landmines)

      • A friend’s wife is from Spain. With dark skin and (as far as I know) natural blonde hair. She speaks English with a Spanish accent. And she gets angry when people assume she’s Mexican.

        “No! I’m a *real* Hispanic!”

        • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

          Well, I had a Great Aunt who was a member of an old California family that dated to when California was owned by Spain.

          She would have told you that she was Spanish not Mexican. 😀

  28. I was so happy when they changed the rule to force people to bring ID to vote in my state a few years ago. Unfortunately, our idiot governor will probably reverse that soon enough.

  29. In the last decade of voting I think I’ve actually only made one vote where there was even a possibility it could matter.

    One other item I have seen that drives me nuts is the short term residency votes. Run into a lot of people that choose what state they vote in by what state actually it would matter in. Say they come from FL and go to school in CA, They vote in FL. But vice versa they still vote in FL. Nevermind the people that simply don’t change reg when they move and vote at old address or do the 30day apartment as was done in recall in WI

  30. Where are you from? Pre-Desert Shield deployment, I was at a reception where one of the local citizens asked the wife of our Chief of Staff, then-COL Tommy Franks, if she were “going home while Tommy was in the desert?” She answered, “Home is where my furniture is.”

    Several years later, I was in Charleston, SC, for a lecture and a cab driver asked where I was from. I started to answer that since I was in the Army, I wasn’t sure what he meant by the question; I was (then) currently stationed in D.C. and before . . . when he interrupted to explain, “Where you is from is where you was bohhnn.” “Oh, Philadelphia.” (Where I lived only briefly, in diapers.)

    • When I lived in Georgia, I’d answer “Southern from or currently from?” Southern from = place of birth. Currently from = place I’d lived most of my life to date.

    • if where I’m from is “what had more influence on who you currently are as an American” (who knows a lot about abroad) I’m from North Carolina. I like saying “North Carolina” and getting the puzzled stares back. 😀 Robert often smiles and says “mom has a mid range hearing loss problem” (true) “It gives her a funny accent” (also true.) Not to the point, but true.

      • “Sarah Hoyt… of the Carolina Hoyts.”?

        You have to imagine it with a slow inner-narrator voice.

        • There are Carolina Hoyts. One of Dan’s family branches made it down there in late nineteenth century I think, about the same time another branch made it to Denver. They ALL look like my FIL.
          My inner-narrator voice has a Southern accent. Stop laughing.

          • *wry* Funny what they end up being, no? Do you remember if it was always there?

            Mine sounds like some sort of amalgam of Deforest Kelly and Alan Rickman– a nice, sort of generically deep, with juuuuust enough of an accent that you think “that sounds nice” but it isn’t really traceable. And I didn’t realize this until I figured out that my NPCs for D&D and such all had the same voice.

          • I’m pretty sure everyone’s inner narrator has a Southern accent. Most people just don’t admit it.

  31. I’ve poll-watched. I had very similar thoughts.

    On election fraud:
    So how would someone use these vulnerabilities to change an election?
    — Take your laptop to a polling place, and sit outside in the parking lot.
    — Use a free sniffer to capture the traffic, and use that to figure out the WEP password (which VITA did for us).
    — Connect to the voting machine over WiFi.
    — If asked for a password, the administrator password is “admin” (VITA provided that).
    — Download the Microsoft Access database using Windows Explorer.
    — Use a free tool to extract the hardwired key (“shoup”), which VITA also did for us.
    — Use Microsoft Access to add, delete, or change any of the votes in the database.
    — Upload the modified copy of the Microsoft Access database back to the voting machine.
    — Wait for the election results to be published.

    Someone pointed out: “In the democratic primaries, the more easily hackable the machines were, the bigger the margin by which Hillary won and the bigger the margin by which the exit polls were off.”

    • I don’t mind optical scanning machines for counting the votes, but there absolutely *must* be a paper vote for recounts. How do you recount an electronic machine like that? If you don’t have the unhackable piece of paper to show what the individual voters’ actual wishes were there is no way to show if the election was rigged or not. And these days it’s only sane to assume that if it can be, it was.

      • Arkansas has 75 counties, each with its own election laws.

        In mine, the Commission went to the electronic voting machines about ten years ago. We get a new set of machines every couple of years. There’s no paper trail at all.

        My Dad lived in an adjacent county. After I voted, I’d go pick him up and take him to his poll, then we’d go have lunch. The Commission in his county still had the big cardboard ballots with laundry markers. The ballots went into an actual box. Later, they were sorted in public view, by (mostly) blue-haired old ladies sorting them on folding cafeteria tables. Only took an hour or so.

        As a former IT security thug, I thoroughly approved of the all-paper system…

        • scott2harrison

          Electronic ballot generation. You vote at a touch-screen, then the printer below it spits out your ballot which is both scannable and human readable. You verify your vote and drop it in the ballot box. Preliminary results are from the machines and final results are from the paper ballots.

      • Keep in mind the Florida 2000 recount, with Talmudic analysis over whether chads were hanging or a smudge in the general vicinity of the box was a vote. paper is not without its flaws … but it at least permits an audit trail.

        • Exactly. You can’t audit electrons, and I recall a few too many folks with tales of hitting the touch screen for Romney and seeing it try to register their vote for Obama. You wonder how many people weren’t paying enough attention and finalized their vote with the wrong box checked. Even if there were print outs of those specific votes, they would be wrong.

        • Florida had the stupidest design for paper ballots I have ever seen, I’m sure someone could come up with worse, but something simple and single sided would be easy and best.

          • The infamous “Butterfly Ballot” was for one district’s* voting only, West Palm Beach, I believe. Other areas were not as asinine. Not all areas had Democrats as their Supervisors of Elections.

            *County’s? Not sure how large the area constituted was, but it was not the entire state.

  32. I’ve both voted and done poll station duty abroad (as I have more than one passport) and am familiar with continental Euro and Israeli voting systems. Here is how they pretty much all work, with minor variations:

    * there is a national equivalent of the Bureau of Vital Statistics, and whenever a birth is registered, the person automatically gets a record and an ID number
    * upon reaching voting age, that person is automatically registered to vote
    * personalized voter summons, listing name and assigned ballot station, are mailed to all registered voters ahead of the election
    * come election day, one goes to vote at one’s assigned station, carrying national photo ID card and voter’s summons in hand. Voting at a different station is possible, but with various degrees of difficulty, and involving checks
    * voter walks in: their name and ID are checked against the voter roll for that ballot station, and checked (or struck through) so one cannot vote twice
    * no picture ID? No vote. (Driver’s licenses in Israel, and possibly in other countries, list the same info as the national ID card so would be accepted in lieu.) No summons? *If* you appear on the list and clearly are the person on the ID, a variance *may* be allowed

    Still some irregularities exist, but nothing even remotely on the scale of what is possible in the US.

    D’s would hate this system because ballot stuffing would become way too hard and require cooperation of too many elements.

    Freedom lovers would oppose it for a different reason: it being predicated on mandatory national ID cards. Continental Europeans and Israelis take those for granted in any case — in my youth in Europe, a cop could stop me and ask to see my “Identiteitskaart/Carte d’Identité/Personalausweis” for any or no reason. (When I was already in college, some law professor deliberately had himself arrested for failure to show ID and took the case to the European High Court of Justice, which declared the requirement unconstitutional, but not the ID itself.)

    • > rolls

      Arkansas does that too. Most counties have big stacks of tractor-feed printout at each assigned polling place. When you show up, the poll worker draws a line through your name. If you’re not on the printout, you don’t vote. If your name is already crossed out, you don’t vote.

      Now that the Feds have struck the photo ID law down as “racist”, they’ll probably attack that system next…

      • Well sure. Too many instances all over the country of people coming to the polls and discovering they’d already voted. Hide the Fraud!

  33. Off Topic (Here? Really?)
    I just got up. There is live coverage of the WRC Rally France special stage on. The start banner is an ad for Che Energy Drink.
    Does it make you kill 14 year olds with a baseball bat?
    It is on MAVtv so I bet the owner of the network wishes he could blur it out. (I think I can safely say that Forrest Lucas of Lucas Oil fame is NOT a Che lover)

  34. Always a relevant link in this discussion.


    Pull quote:

    The increase in turnout of both Hispanics and blacks in the 2008 presidential election after the voter ID law became effective is quite remarkable, particularly given the unproven and totally speculative claims of the Justice Department that the voter ID requirements of Texas and South Carolina will somehow have a discriminatory impact on Hispanic and black voters.[7] In fact, Georgia had the largest turnout of minority voters in its history.”

  35. I don’t see why we couldn’t adopt a process that we’ve imposed in other places where we are ‘establishing democracy’: You go to the poll (any poll) and once you submit you ballot you dip a digit into a jar of indelible ink. (Guess which finger I would dip. 🙂 ) Of course that wouldn’t affect the early/absentee mail voting shenanigans, but it would tend to reduce the likelihood of voters being bussed from place to place and ‘voting early, voting often’.

    Hey, if it’s good enough for Afghanistan, it’s good enough for us.

    And Judge Posner is still a moron.