Something to Tide You Over

Yes, I’m fine, just slept too late and am taking time to collect my thoughts, but meanwhile, this:

62 responses to “Something to Tide You Over

  1. Collect your thoughts????? What next, cat herding?

  2. So is the podcast they’re advertising a new one with the Puppies or the old one?

  3. Gee, it’s almost like that tantrum is coming to the attention of more people who most of us consider fans but we’ve learned recently aren’t TrueFen.

    I wonder how they are going to react.

  4. Oh, and I love your clearly Southern, Klan derived accent apparent on the podcast.

  5. Two hours to tide us over? I’m listening…

    Kate a minnow? She may not be a big fish, but she is not harmless. Might I suggest, in recognition of her origin, a Stonefish?

    • They sound a bit passive aggressive but maybe a piranha or payara? Or if we go a bit bigger, Goliath Tigerfish? (Damn the teeth of those critters. I don’t think I am going to be swimming anywhere but swimming pools if I ever vacation in any of those countries)

      • (mixing metaphors & waiting to see how it will bake up)

        My impression is that Kate would much prefer to live and let live … right up to the point that she determines that others won’t leave well enough alone … at which point that they will find that they have jumped right into a venomous snake pit.

      • OT, I picked up a couple of your books on kindle, (didn’t know what name to look under till the other day) and they come up in a tiny font. Even getting it to resize is a hassle. Not a biggie, but I thought you might want to know.

        • Thanks. I’ve been intending to reload them some time this fall, I’ll check for that (to the extent I know how) then. They at least used to load fine when I first put them there, but that was nearly two years ago now, so who knows what may have happened.

          • It happens occasionally. I haven’t seen any pattern to it, don’t have any idea of the cause. I was just glad somebody mentioned one of your titles the other day so I could try your books. Up till then, I hadn’t realized you were an author.

      • I was thinking barracuda but was afraid somebody would link in that song by Heart, and I just don’t have the heart for that.

    • Maybe a piranha? Small, but very effective.

  6. I didn’t have 2 hours to listen to the ‘cast, but the written post was very good, even if they misspelled Cedar’s name wrong the first time. 🙂
    Also, very good illustration of angry white male and 2 of the 3 puppies.

  7. Was very interesting to hear, Mr White Mormon male with a rack. I think there may have been a little confusion on the part of the badgers but still very good.

  8. Good article, thanks for the link Sarah. I left a comment with some additional details about the ceremony itself they didn’t include.

  9. Chaos Horizon has started his analysis, and he finds after crunching all the numbers on the Novel voting that the Anti-Puppies may not have quite the numerical advantage that they think.
    His Final Conclusion is that the Antipuppies added about 1600 new voters to the final ballot, while Puppies (or at least those willing to listen) added about 1400 new voters from last year. (When we didn’t have a slate 1000 people still No Awarded Larry last year)
    It just looks bigger because the NO!!!11!! faction stayed together while everyone else split up their votes. He doesn’t get into it (yet) but I suspect that the Puppies will have the vote drop-off in the successive categories that he’s observed in the past while the anti-puppies just went down the line with No Award.

    While the writer has expressed some disapproval of the SP campaign (If just because we throw off his Hugo predictor algorithm) he’s going to be on my nominees for Best Fan Writer. He’s fair and “Just the Facts, Ma’m!”

    • The people opposed to slates only won because they voted for a slate, whereas the people they accuse of voting for slates didn’t.

      • When you listen to the pod-cast you find out that what was identified as ‘a slate’ was not one.

      • The “slate voting” was a specious piece of distraction. It doesn’t matter how many or how few works the Puppies recommended. The fact that they organized at all, instead of being isolated individuals who could be cowed and ostracized into silence and conformity was enough to make enemies of the self-appointed tastemakers of SF&F, who used every means available, both fair and foul (mostly foul), to figuratively crucify them.
        The fact is, that voting “no award” to a person or work just because Brad Torgersen, or Vox Day nominated them did not just punish “slate voting”. Its principal effect was to punish the nominees for having the wrong people like and recommend their work. I an convinced that some fairly large fraction of the “no awarders” knew this and intended it; for various degrees of “knew” and “intended”. To those, “best” really does mean, “most progressive” or “most politically correct”.
        To have the WorldCon collectively say “No award” is better than anything YOU wrote is a slap in the face to an author, and no amount of pious posturing about “diversity” or “inclusiveness” is going to ease the sting. It is no less a middle finger salute to everyone who liked or might have liked their work.
        My predominant feeling, upon reading of the results, was to invite them to go to guess where and take their award with them.

      • Yep. I know from my own votes for CHORF faves (ms Marvel) that those of us campaigning to end puppy-related sadness did our best to vote honestly. I was ashamed by how *small* fandom has grown.

  10. Where, when, and how can we sign up for a non-attending membership for the next WorldCon? So’s we can get ready early.

  11. They weren’t the right women Kate growled.


  12. Listening to Brad’s description of his experience attending an earlier Worldcon and feeling unwelcomed, I was reminded of a story told by Abner Mikva, Democratic former U.S. Representative, federal judge and law professor from Chicago:

    One of the stories that is told about my start in politics is that on the way home from law school one night in 1948, I stopped by the ward headquarters in the ward where I lived. There was a street-front, and the name Timothy O’Sullivan, Ward Committeeman, was painted on the front window. I walked in and I said “I’d like to volunteer to work for [Adlai] Stevenson and [Paul] Douglas.” This quintessential Chicago ward committeeman took the cigar out of his mouth and glared at me and said, “Who sent you?” I said, “Nobody sent me.” He put the cigar back in his mouth and he said, “We don’t want nobody that nobody sent.”

    The message conveyed by the Puppy Kickers is just that: “We don’t want nobody that nobody sent.”

    Any resemblance between the Chicago Machine and the Puppy Kickers is strictly a matter of form following function.

    Just to get it out of the way: The Puppy Kickers can go function themselves.

  13. Overdue wry obsersvation on Sleepyhead Sarah.

  14. Good podcast, but the puppies seem to need a pep talk.
    The puppies fought the SJW’s to a draw. Not bad for first fight. The asterisk thing was childish, a way of winning even if the votes had gone against them. It should be rescinded, ASAP. Who was behind it? Names, please? Since an asterisk lowered the value of the award, is it possible to sue the guilty parties? The Hugos are not private property that belongs to whomever happens to hold a leadership position this year.
    All epic battles between good and evil require a comparison to Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings.
    Every so often some wag realizes that the eagles could have dropped the ring into Mount Doom and saved Frodo, Sam, and the rest of the company a good deal of trouble. But of course there wouldn’t have been a story, then. It was necessary for hobbits to destroy the ring to bring on the passing of the Third Age. And how did the hobbits defeat Sauron? They endured. They had one thing to do — return the ring to the fires that forged it — and they did it by enduring. When Frodo fell, Sam picked up the ring and carried on. At Mount Doom, when Frodo and Sam believed that the quest would take them to their deaths, they endured. All the power of elves and men were arrayed against Sauron at the end of the second age, and they couldn’t defeat Sauron, not forever. In LOTR, The man Boromir despaired and failed. The elf Galadriel, though she bore the ring of adamant, despaired and failed. The hobbits did not despair. They endured, and they destroyed Sauron forever.

  15. clark e myers

    I wouldn’t want to put words in anybody’s mouth. All the more in the current circumstances.

    All the same I think some of the subject podcast, and a great deal of the discussion in the fluorosphere, correctly suggests the puppykickers are playing the game of see what you made me do and making it a feature not a bug to give power to the puppies.

    As others have noted it rather proves the puppies’ point when a SJW threatens harm to an innocent third party in order to manipulate behavior.

    The saddest part of all I think is that it’s not possible to Alinsky the SJW’s as terrorists for they have no shame.