Nag Rage – Christopher Nuttall

Nag Rage- Christopher Nuttall

[Quick explanation. I wrote this at the heart of the Starbucks ‘Race Together’ idiocy, then sent it to Sarah. However, it was delayed and may be slightly out of date. The core idea still holds true, though. CGN]

(Addendum: Yeah, I was — literally — dopey and only got my bearings enough to put it up today.  I don’t think it’s outdated. – SAH)

I am not a psychologist. Indeed, it is a profession I hold in considerable mistrust. However, after reading a couple of articles online that annoyed me, I wound up defining a whole new mental condition, something akin to Road Rage. I call it Nag Rage. No doubt someone has beaten me to the punch (I did no research whatsoever before writing this) but it needs to be said (in my best pseudo-medical style):

Nag Rage: a condition caused by repeated nagging from the same person (or persons) on the same subject, defined as a growing wave of fury and frustration combined with a swelling impulse to just shut the nagger up. Nag Rage is particularly dangerous as a person who reaches 5 on the Nag Rage Scale, after a long bout of nagging, will immediately jump back to 5 if the nagging should resume. The effects of Nag Rage will double if the victim is unable to give the nagger what he/she wants. Victims of Nag Rage will eventually tune out the nagger, on the grounds that the nagger is endlessly repeating him/herself, or snap and start screaming.

The solution? Stop nagging.

Ok, you may ask, what does this have to do with anything?

I read a lot of posts on Facebook when I’m not writing. One article that came to my attention covered Starbuck’s latest scheme to lose customers … by encouraging baristas to talk to them about race. I have a feeling that customer response will probably end up as “MANAGER, this man is HARASSSING me!” Or “I’ll take my custom elsewhere!” Or “you just absorbed twenty minutes of my time! The bill is $10, plus assorted other charges!”

Or customers will probably end up hurling cups of scalding hot coffee at the poor baristas, who will then face medical bills, while the customers wind up in jail for assault (and legal problems for Starbucks.)

Actually, I thought that few baristas would actually follow orders and talk about race – they’re the ones on the front line – but some recent posts that popped up in my Facebook suggest otherwise.

EDIT – Starbucks appears to have shut the idea down and is frantically doing damage control. Surprise, surprise.

I really have no idea what Starbucks was thinking when it started this idea. People do not go to coffee shops for anything, but coffee. Who in their right mind would go to a coffee shop, when they might be in a hurry, for a lecture on race? Particularly, I might add, one delivered by baristas who probably don’t have the slightest idea how to deliver one? Did Starbucks issue a script? Were the staff given training in how to alter the script or were they told to keep plugging along no matter what they got in response? I haven’t heard anything, to be honest, that suggests there was any training at all.

My response? Support your local indie coffee shop … and forsake Starbucks forever.

But this pales compared to another article that popped up in my feed.

You’ve probably heard of ‘White Privilege,’ the largely-nonsensical suggestion that whites are more privileged than anyone else. (I say largely nonsensical because I have been in a place where there really is such a thing as White Privilege; Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia.) What you might not have heard of is it’s unholy twin, White Fragility. Robin DiAngelo, a professor of multicultural education, defined it as “a state in which even a minimum amount of racial stress becomes intolerable, triggering a range of defensive moves. These moves include outward display of emotions such as anger, fear and guilt, and behaviours such as argumentation, silence and leaving the stress-inducing situation.”

Really, it’s astonishing just how much this diagnostic has in common with Nag Rage.

In the article I read, Professor DiAngelo goes on to say the following:

In large part, white fragility—the defensiveness, the fear of conflict—is rooted in this good/bad binary. If you call someone out, they think to themselves, “What you just said was that I am a bad person, and that is intolerable to me.” It’s a deep challenge to the core of our identity as good, moral people.

Unfortunately, I think the professor is misinterpreting the response. What people actually think to themselves is “what you just said is that I am responsible for the [crimes of my ancestors/crimes of someone else’s ancestors/crimes of a white person with no connection to me whatsoever/being born white] and that you expect me to make recompense for these crimes and that is utterly outrageous.”

This tends to be common, I believe, at so-called ‘diversity training’ and mandatory ‘cultural sensitivity’ lectures. Such sessions, like multiculturalism itself, rest on an unspoken and unchallenged premise that diversity and cultural sensitivity are actually good ideas. The simple application of common sense suggests otherwise. Businesses rely on hiring people who can actually do the jobs, not because of their skin colour/sex/age/religion/etc. The mere suggestion that someone got a coveted job or promotion because of the colour of their skin is corrosive, even if it is completely inaccurate. A person who feels that they were passed over for promotion because they happened to be white is not likely to be in a good frame of mind for accepting that the winner actually deserved to win.

And, as always, it’s easier to blame someone else for our problems.

Diversity training sessions tend to become, very quickly, nagging sessions. The unhappy recipients, who were hired to do specific jobs, are ordered to listen to someone who knows nothing about the jobs they do, but hectors them constantly about the dangers of racism. They are not only forced to leave their jobs for a day, which can mean falling behind with their work, but also be spoken to like children in need of adults to show them the way. Is it any surprise, really, that people are growing less and less reluctant to discuss race when most ‘conversations’ start with an assumption that white men are responsible for the world’s ills … and when any disagreement, no matter how minor, is greeted with screams of RACIST!

And, as I said above, every bout of nagging resumes charging up the rage-o-meter from where it stopped, last time. White fragility? More like frustration with having to play a game where the rules seem to be rigged against them, where victory is impossible, where the slightest expression of disagreement can be used against one, where nothing short of bowing one’s head to PC-orthodoxy is acceptable.

I could spend quite a long time, if I wished, dissecting Professor DiAngelo’s article. I’m not going to bother, not now. All I can really do is point out that hectoring people, time and time again, about ‘racism’ and ‘micro-aggressions’ – and hammering someone into the ground for daring to hint that he might just disagree – does nothing, but make the problem worse. Social Justice Warriors insist on drawing lines between people – and, in doing so, set each of the groups against the others. They have played the Race Card so often that no one outside their circles takes it seriously any longer.

And why, you might ask, do I care?

My son is a mixed-race child. If the world’s population is divided into different groups by race, where does he fit in?

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259 thoughts on “Nag Rage – Christopher Nuttall

  1. All I can really do is point out that hectoring people, time and time again, about ‘racism’ and ‘micro-aggressions’ – and hammering someone into the ground for daring to hint that he might just disagree – does nothing, but make the problem worse.

    Hectoring people, time and again … hammering someone into the ground…? Macro-aggression.

    1. Domestic violence, if done in the home.

      Seriously, husband-to-wife such behavior is deemed “emotional abuse” and included in the domestic violence figures.

      1. I remember reading about a study on “Domestic Violence” where one of the critics pointed out that “the husband leaving the room and slamming the door because of his anger” was counted as “Domestic Violence”. Come on, how many of us get mad and “leave the conversation” because we’re afraid that we’ll do/say something we’ll regret later?

        Oh, I remember reading that earlier studies on “husband-wife fights” found that *where* it could be said one person “started the fight” that women started the fight as much as men.

        Of course, “now” it is always the “fault” of the husband. [Sad Smile]

        1. “Come on, how many of us get mad and “leave the conversation” because we’re afraid that we’ll do/say something we’ll regret later?”

          Actually admitting that you are leaving so you won’t “do/say something you’ll regret later” is de facto evidence of violent tendencies and therefore is domestic violence. This was actually what the police said and used against a guy I knew, and it held up in court. He was attempting to appeal and fight it, so that a) he didn’t lose his gun rights and b)his wife didn’t take absolutely everything in the divorce; until his wife and both kids were killed when a tree fell on their car while driving down the highway. He was devastated enough over the loss of his kids that he didn’t fight anything anymore, so his mother-in-law ended up with everything. And yes he lost his gun rights for three years, because after she called the cops for domestic violence, and they found him at his parents house, one of them took him aside and asked him buddy, buddy what really happened. He told him the truth, “I left because if I didn’t, and she kept screaming and throwing dishes at me, I was going to slap her.” At which point the cop immediately called his buddies over and they arrested him and hauled him to jail.

          1. So the wife was assaulting the husband, and leaving the situation to avoid physically defending himself is violence?

            1. Rule #1: The man is always the assailant.

              Rule #2: When the woman is the assailant, see Rule #1

              Some people are so used to being biased one way that, when that way becomes unacceptable, flip to the other direction. Balanced is not in their natures.

            2. Yup.

              The University of Michigan used to label “withholding sex and affection” as domestic violence, but no longer lists it. . . apparently some sanity is still present.

              1. I doubt it. It was probably nioticed that women use this tactic much more than men do and thus the tactic is not domestic violence, but just a good negotiating tool.

                And yes this is insane in the strict legal definition. (unable to tell right from wrong.)

              1. I’m really tired of this crap about men. Whatever happened to it takes two to have an argument?

                1. They tore down all the rules about men having to be restrained, and when that had totally freaking predictable results showing up in the hospital and mortuary, they had to find a different way to try to fix it.

                  If you squint and go “wait, how is now different from before?” a bit, a lot the problems they’re “solving” are second or third generation results of stuff their philosophy “fixed” before, clear down to that stupid “manspreading” campaign…which can, indeed, be a problem. It’s just not middle aged white guys in business suits that are doing it, outside of the posters……

              2. Well, yeah, he put a ring on it!

                Just kidding. At our house, when it’s anybody’s fault, it’s at least as often as not mine.
                But most of the time we get off easy blaming variant English dictionaries. It’s no one’s fault, just we don’t agree on the definition of words.
                “Them’s fighting words!”
                “No, that was the nice way to say it!”

          2. Know a guy who’s wife went balistic on him but she beat herself up. He was standing there recording her irrational argument with his phone when she suddenly started beating her self up by bashing her face into a door knob and scratching herself.
            He saved her the trouble of calling the cops by doing it himself and telling them in the call what his wife was doing, that he had it on film, and they’d best get someone over there right quick. Apparently it was not the first time she did it, and after the divorce he learned she remarried, and pulled the same thing on the next hubby. He allowed the guy’s lawyer to have a copy of his video and that was when he learned she had done the same to a fiancée before marrying him. The ex-fiancée testified at the last guys hearing.

            1. There’s a case where a man happened to have his phone in his pocket, and due to previous arguments, was recording when visiting his ex for picking up his child. The mom started a fight with him, then shot him.

              THEN she told the cops that he started the fight, was violent, etc. and she shot him in self defense.

              He was effectively in a coma for a couple weeks.

              Once he woke up, he was able to get his phone charged and recover the recording, where you could overhear the mom starting the fight, and planning to lie to the cops about it.

              He would not have been cleared otherwise.

              1. glad she did not get away with it. know a guy who had his ex act like she wanted back together, then got him drunk/drugged , and then had a friend’s underage daughter crawl into bed with him, then she called the cops. he passed a drug test for illegal stuff but had a goodly bit of OTC sleeping aid in his system but her lawyer got that ignored
                He was still fighting the case in appeal when I left Louisiana in 04 (this happened in 01 or 02)

        2. If I recall, the numbers (roughly) for what would be considered at least legally “assault” (not requiring battery in those places that distinguish) – DV was roughly 1/3 woman-> man (unilateral), 1/3 man-> woman (unilateral) and 1/3 mutual.

          of the mutual cases, just over half were initiated by women.

          The same researchers who compiled the above data over several studies and meta-studies noted that the difference in hospitalizations was due to disparities in physical strength and not differences in starting fights. Additionally, IIRC, women were more likely to bring deadly force to bear with improvised weapons and knives. Finally – a number of the women surveyed were actually bragging about starting fights, because the men would not hit back.

      2. Because husbands nagging wives is so commonplace in our culture as to have become a cliche.

    2. Not to trivialize the discussion but my own personal nag rage is the media telling me what I should and shouldn’t eat. Of course it’s directed at fast food while the same stations air reviews of higher-end restaurants, which I why I suspect their dish of concern has a unhealthy side of control for the masses. It’s enough to make one want to waterboard them in soda – diet decaf, natch. Sarc tag, lest anyone become upset & lose his lunch.

        1. Things may change a bit here and there, but frankly McHardiesKing’s standard fare will never be healthy or considered healthy.

  2. I read something recently, and wrote a blog post about it, on how the term “white privilege” is being misused. What was being said was that all ethnic groups come with a set of “privileges” and “responsibilities”. These responsibilities are a burden set upon members of different groups, a set of expectations that they must live up to in order to be accepted by that ethnic group. This person argued that “white privilege” exists, but so does “black privilege” or “Hispanic privilege”. They also argued that when people use “check your privilege” to shut down arguments, they’re misusing a phrase academics use to caution someone to check their assumptions and rethink the problem.

    Honestly, I found that far, far less difficult to tolerate.

    However, I live in the Deep South. I like it here, despite some oddities of life that only exist down here. We’ve had a lot of discussions about race. We’ve had our nose rubbed it in. Repeatedly. Some of that is brought about by sins of the past, and some of those responsible for those sins are still around. But I’m not responsible for them, yet I’m still paying for them. I was paying for them when two black coworkers knew they could get away with saying the most racist things about white folks in front of me, knowing that I couldn’t do a thing about it. I was paying for them when one of the sales people for my newspaper walked into a woman’s business to see if he could sell an ad and watched as the owner’s boyfriend advised her no, that she should support black businesses (and my sales guy was black, but so shocked that he called me up as soon as he got in the car).

    I’ve gotten to where I don’t give a flip about race, or anyone’s feelings on the matter. I know what I’m responsible for, and I know I’m not a racist, and that’s good enough for me.

    1. I’ve gotten to where I don’t give a flip about race …

      That’s racist. The only way to avoid being racist is obsessing about race.

      Also: War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength.

        1. Not quite; Everything is racist if done by anyone who is not in the Progressive Lodge, and absolutely fine, and evidence of their general wonderfulness, if they are.

          One of these days Karma is going to come riding to town on a fiery horse and go to town on their ass, and I hope like hell I’m somewhere else when it happens, because there’s going to be LOTS of collateral damage.

  3. First: I do not regard the Daily Mail (“The Enemy of the Anglican Race”) as a reliable source. On anything. Period.

    And what is “cadence of the timeline” supposed to mean? Is that like “counterpoint the surrealism of the underlying metaphor”? Death’s too good for them.

  4. I find Nag Rage particularly acute when someone demands “Whoyavotinfor?”, and then refuses to stop browbeating me for giving the “wrong” answer.

    1. When i get asked politely, I tell the truth. When I’m asked agressively by somebody who wants to get in my face, I tell him I’m a Roaylist. It usually takes the wind out of their sails.

    1. Eric Holder REALLY doesn’t want to discuss race with me, because the first thig I’d ask him is how he reconciles his heritage as a Black American with shilling for a party of white intellectual elitists whose policies are as racist as the Confederacy’s.

      1. Because otherwise blacks might improve their plight and he and his might have to do without Affirmative Action.

        1. He presents himself as a friend to the black man while actually exxploiting them for his personal and political benefit? Sounds white to me.

          1. “He presents himself as a friend to the black man while actually exxploiting them for his personal and political benefit? Sounds white Leftist to me.”


            1. Sounds like a political opportunist to me. Still I am actually willing to give that he may actually be one of those who are actual true believers.

              In either case I think what he is doing is a disservice to the people and the constitution — and his reason for doing them makes no difference at all.

    1. They should concentrate on coffee.

      Coffee and tea (as caffeine delivery vectors) have done more to get the world tolerable than anything the SJWs ever accomplished.

      That, and chocolate. And nicotine. If it weren’t for the holy chemical triumverate, we’d still be stuck in a European agrarian lifestyle sucking down lousy beer by the gallon.

      So – yay Starbucks for the caffeine. Stay with what you’re good at.

      1. 20/20 or 60 Minutes, probably over a decade ago now, did a blind taste test of different coffees. As I remember it, something like 60% of the respondents that admitting to purchasing (and preferring) 3 or more Starbucks coffees a week, preferred Folgers over Starbucks. Most of them rated Starbucks as the worst tasting of the 5 or 6 brands in the test.

        1. Which goes to show, that if you are starting a business, hiring the firm that managed Starbucks advertising would likely be a worthwhile investment.

        2. There is a routine taste test every couple of years where Starbuck’s, McDonald’s, and Burger King’s coffees are compared. Starbucks loses every time.

        3. Me and about 5 other people are the only ones in America that drink *coffee* at Starbucks.

          Most people drink milk and sugar with a dash of coffee flavoring.

          Hence the difference.

      2. “Coffee and tea (as caffeine delivery vectors) have done more to get the world tolerable than anything the SJWs ever accomplished.”

        The same could be said of wasps and chiggers.

    2. It might be profitable if there were open conversations about a number of issues we face as society.

      BUT IF, and I do mean IF, you want real honest exchange of thought you have to first create a sense of trust that it will be safe to be open about the subject. I don’t think requiring your employees to write a pithy saying on the side of your morning cuppa joe quite does that.

      What had he been hoping to hear? The same kind of fears and issues that opened his eyes in his first post-Ferguson Starbucks gathering; the concerns that were truths in one society and unknown a few blocks away. The things that had brought him nearly to tears. He talks about at one gathering where a black, single mother told him that before her 10-year-old son went to school, “I make damn sure he’s not wearing any bright clothes.” Confused, Schultz asked her why, she said, “I just don’t want him to draw any attention to himself.” Schultz turned to another employee, a white mother, and asked if she’s ever had that concern. “Of course the answer was No,” he says.

      A number of years ago, shortly after a shooting incident between two gangs outside of a local High School had resulted in a death, The Daughter and I attended a presentation and discussion on the book Dead Men Do Tell Tails given by a detective from the police department to a book club. When the discussion was opened one of the mothers, a lady whose lineage is marked by a distinct lack of melatonin, posed the question, ‘How can you guarantee that my children will be absolutely safe when I send them school? What can I do, what will you do?’

      So, I would ask Mr. Schultz, “What do you mean by, ‘Of course the answer was No.’?”

        1. I live in an area that is recognized internationally as a refugee resettlement zone. We have had occasional interesting results.

          Members of two Pakistani gangs, whose deadly rivalry went back to their country of origin, were both resettled in the county. While both groups were happy to be here, the process of moving seemed to have done nothing to enable the more dedicated among them to leave their animosity behind.

          Not all dangers of violence that children in school might encounter is so simple a paradigm as Mr. Schultz seems to paint. Yeah, I bet the black mother had more situational awareness than the white one

        1. In Ferguson? Pfui. He needs to explain why there are none in the ‘Hood, offering customers their choice of red or blue cup.

          1. I have heard that there are schools in places like Chicago that have found it necessary to ban wearing gang colors… and I doubt that they were in Hyde Park area.

          2. Ferguson is why this all came up.

            Someone had posted a list of 5 or so towns that had no Starbucks in them, Ferguson being on one of them. All of them were predominately to all black. Here I think might be the original article:

            Towns are:
            Highland Park, Michigan,
            Benton Harbor, Michigan,
            East St. Louis, Illinois,
            Gary, Indiana,
            Selma, Alabama,
            Ferguson, Missouri.

            There reason, of course that there is no business case for going into that town.

  5. You underestimate the impact of white privilege. Why, even Holocaust survivors have it! Having your great-great-grandfather be a slave is dreadful, but actually being a slave is something you can just shrug off.

    1. Yes because being worked towards death and starved is totally more privileged than having a great great grand who was born a freeman in the north (had someone argue that once myself)

  6. Beside getting non-bigots seriously annoyed, the “nagging” weakens the terms “racist”, “sexist”, “hatred”, etc.

    We hear the terms thrown around so much that if there’s a case of “real” bigotry around, we tend to wonder “is this a real case of bigotry”.

    Of course, the naggers discount cases of “hatred” from their side when their side is showing hatred to the so-called “oppressors”.

    1. It goes one step farther than that, it actually causes bigotry, or at least prejudice. You may not have had any problem with color X people, but if you are constantly nagged at for being ‘privileged’ and those color X people can be as a big of insulting *sses as they wish, without getting called on it. Well is it any wonder that people decide they may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb, and if they are going to be punished for it regardless, they may as well exercise any ‘privilege’ they can lay their hands on?

      1. If the Brown people of America ever wake up to how they are used by the LIRPs, there is going to be an outbreak of rage the likes of which we have never seen.

        1. Depends on the person with whom I’m dealing.

          There was an elderly black gentleman on our school board who always seemed to have an edge to him. It was after I realized that he had been born before 1920 and I put it together with my knowledge of local and state history that I began to understand that guardedness.

          1. Oh, I was referring to first impressions. Once I know more about the person, I can work within the boundaries that I have figured out. I’ve worked with several people who had a chip on their shoulder, and I essentially never engaged in chit-chat with them, only professional discussion, while I have worked with others who I hardly have to watch what I say at all (I have weak automatic filters, so I have to watch what I say to ANYONE to some extent).

    2. Of course, the naggers discount cases of “hatred” from their side when their side is showing hatred to the so-called “oppressors”.

      The “it’s okay to hate haters…” claim. Which, by some strange coincidence leads to the person who uses that claim finding pretty much anyone who disagrees with them to be an evil icky hater who must be hated.

      There is something… broken with these people.

  7. I’m English, Irish, Scottish, Dutch, German, Native American, Japanese and Samoan, in approximate order. How’s that for racial diversity?

    1. You need to wake up, Draven! Multicultural guilt is not about diversity of heritage unless the bearer has black or brown skin or tans exceedingly well. You are guilty as charged.

        1. When you go out in the sun for ten minutes and you look like a shoe, that’s “exceedingly”. -:)

            1. Well if they know their serious southern rules only between Memorial Day and Labor Day, or just the rules, which expands this to from Easter Sunday to Labor Day. I always found this amusing, as many southerners celebrated a separate Memorial Day and lived in right to work states, eschewing things that smacked of unions and communism…

        2. I need to make a kit of color cards all stapled at the corner to fan out and lay against your skin so you can gauge your privilege as the summer progresses.

  8. “People do not go to coffee shops for anything, but coffee.”

    Some have been known to stop in for hot cocoa, pastries, or just to use the restroom.

    1. I go there to meet with other people. For example a friend, who lived in the next county, and I met at one half-way between where we each lived.

      When The Daughter attended the the Universtity the independent coffee house near it was a great place to meet up. Not only is it known for its coffee, also for hosting jazz nights and providing venue for local artists to display work for sale.

        1. Unfortunately at the moment that is some 3000 miles out of my range. Before I get there I would want to stop for Greek Dinner food in Colorado.

                  1. The 2ish years dad was stationed in Brownsville, we went made several trips to Corpus – mostly to the Naval Air Station and the base hospital, but…I always liked it. North Padre Island is quite a bit different from South Padre. Lots of places to go, lots of things to do, and, though we never got to go to the beach on North Padre, it is well known for them.

                    1. With the unrest in Mexico I’m loath to go to Corpus Christi. It seems too close to Mexico to me.

  9. Def: Hepatitis C – an illness which ravages the body, usually without the knowledge of the host, until organ failure.

    Is “White Privilege” just a mental variation of Hep C?

  10. Conversation on XXX? What they really mean is My Lecture on XXX. Dissent is not tolerated.
    Think of Starbucks as a marketing ploy for their primary customers; well off progressives that can afford $10.00 for coffee. Mainly they pay to feel superior. It is like recycling, if you had a ‘serious discussion’ with receiving your change, then you have done your part, and the world must be a better place. And unicorn farts halt global warming.

    1. Unicorn farts stop global warming?!?! I thought they were causing it! Quick, everyone remove those corks we’ve been installing on those unicorns! Hurry!!!

      1. Yes, do, or someone will call the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Mythical Animals on you. Corking unicorns! Well, I never!

      2. Like they weren’t surly enough already!
        Good luck finding a virgin willing to do it in this group.

    2. Unicorn farts stop global warming, and the Skittles they poop are a perfect food.

    3. Your comment made me think – I wonder if they are supposed to write on the cups of People of Color(TM)? If not, perhaps some melanin-enhanced persons could get their coffee and go, “Where’s MY note? Are you racist?”

      Although i would feel sorry for the poor barista* in that scenario.

      *Sometimes, the words missing in spellcheck amaze me

    4. Conversation on XXX

      I don’t think you really wanted to phrase it that way.

      And no, not posting any links.

  11. In all seriousness, the entire race conversation is a collective one. As in, the collective of All Non-Caucasian people lays claim to the time and resources of All Caucasians because of past crimes done by some Caucasians. Who are dead.

    Of course the collective view is a mirage, an illusion of distance. Because humans don’t do things as collectives. Ants do. Humans always only do things as individuals. A human group is a group of INDIVIDUALS, not a hive.

    Of course when laying claim to time and money it is much more useful to pretend guilt is transferable, because ten thousand Caucasians have more stuff to take than just one guy who did something ugly.

    All “Intersectional” conversations are Communist/Fascist/Colectivist cons, to gull individuals into paying money for things they didn’t do.

    The correct answer to all such cons is ” Fuck off!” Followed by a Glasgow Kiss. And possibly a steel toed boot to the nads, if appropriate.

    Here Endeth my cranky response to Starbucks and their self-destroying communism.

    By the way, their coffee is among the lowest quality available. I am told by reliable sources that McDonalds actually has about the best beans in fast food, followed by Tim Hortons.

    1. I’m pretty sure McDonalds used to advertise as serving Starbucks coffee. And I always hear about how good McDonalds coffee is, but in my opinion it isn’t all that great, and is usually weak. I far prefer the Sysco coffee that many restaurants get, but the most important thing is to have whoever is making the coffee, actually drinking the coffee.


          Started picking it up at the commissary because I was amused by the can, and it’s four bucks on sale.

          Kept buying it because it’s good coffee. Not fancy, but the dark roast is rich without tasting burnt.

          Have come to the conclusion that a large part of finding the “right” coffee is your water, unless you’re crazy enough to use distilled.

      1. I thibk McD’s uses their own around here but my memory is suspect. Dunkin Donuts won several blind test against Starbucks and a few other higher priced coffee places, so they decided to sell theirs by the bag.
        All I’ve ever had of SB was tea, and it wasn’t anything I’d pay extra for. It wasn’t bad, but certainly not worth the pricing and lines

              1. Careful of heavy recoiling weapons once you get your LVAD. My brother caught the infection that killed him like that.

                1. I’m getting a bi-ventricular ICD. It’s supposed to go in under the opposite shoulder. But I doubt I’ll be zeroing my Mosin anytime soon, even with the cool recoil-suppressor I got for my birthday.

                  What was your brother shooting?

                    1. I just looked at the LVAD. What they’re doing with me is much less invasive and has no external component. The wires are run into the heart and then the unit itself is embedded in my chest with no external controls or access. The battery is supposed to last 3-6 hears and then they have to cut me open again to change it.

                    2. If you got no external connections, then infection won’t be a worry. Didn’t know the difference, or I wouldn’t have brought it up. You have plenty to think about right now, I shouldn’t be making it worse. Best of luck!

                    3. They are putting it UNDER your ribs? Every one I have known have had put on the outside of their ribs. And yes make sure you have it put on the opposite side as your shooting shoulder. My grandpa had a pacemaker installed and since it was an emergency procedure he didn’t get to tell them which side he wanted it put on.
                      What hunting he was able to do the rest of his life he wasn’t able to use a centerfire rifle with any significant recoil, but he couldn’t walk to far either. So he carried a centerfire rifle in the truck to show any game warden he ran into, and used a 22 WMR. 😉

                  1. I think this is similar to what Dad’s got. Read your “Thou shalt nots” carefully, keep your eyes open and always carry your id card for the device. Add an extra thirty to sixty minutes for any activity involving bypassing security devices. Areas I’ve noticed can be problematic include Airports, Courthouses, and Public Schools. It won’t always take that long, but sometimes it will. He got eight years, I think it was, out of his first battery and unit: they replaced the whole unit last summer because it was easier than changing the battery, but kept the same leads.

                    If you are going to have the high tech self uploading type, get whoever your household tech person is to go over the details with whoever the support person is for it before the procedure. We got Dad home and had a couple issues–not major, but frustrating. Stupid thing started beeping at us again two days ago, in fact–had managed to somehow not handshake properly. When alarms are going off involving keeping your heart going is not the time to be scrambling to find that user manual you were going to read some night when you couldn’t sleep.

                    “Holly! Where’s the pacemaker manual hidden? It’s beeping at me!”
                    “With the other manuals, Dad! Are you conscious? Hang on and I’ll get it!”

                    1. Don’t forget to ask your tech person if he can change the access code; there have been multiple examples of devices like this or insulin pumps that are left with factory passwords like “admin”. Some of them are hard coded.

                      Every time someone mentions the “Internet of Things” I start breaking out in hives….

                    2. You and me both, snelson134! I’ve worked IT for over 21 years and I’m still flabbergasted at the number of default passwords I run into everywhere.

                    3. My first blog partner worked IT, and he trusted it. Which is odd because he was the person least likely to trust government on anything. I’m not sure what happened there.

                      Then again, he got me sued because of one of his stunts, so he was known to make some questionable decisions.

          1. My Mother-In-Law had something like that put in, and she did fine for several years with it. And no, it wasn’t responsible when she did go.

            Hoping for the best for you.

          2. going in for the full Cheney

            Shooting a lawyer in the face while bird hunting? 🙂

              1. When word leaked out that he’d shot someone while hunting, his approval rating dropped four points (it didn’t have far to go in some circles). When it turn out it was a lawyer, it shot up 35 percent…among liberals.

                1. I will forever be thankful for Cheney’s shooting accident as it prompted a superb Washington Cost article explaining how commonly such accidents occur and how rarely the damage they do is serious. That article, by WaPo film critic Stephen Hunter led me to his superb novels about Bob Lee Swagger and opened me to the genre of Thrillers.

                  I would gladly sacrifice the faces of 100 lawyers for such reward.

                  1. But that makes you a WrongFan because you dare like something OTHER THAN SF/F!!!!

                    Seriously, Hunter’s stuff is pretty good. At least, Blacklight was. I haven’t had a chance to read his other stuff.

            1. My first plan is to steal all the good parking spaces in the third world for Halliburton.

      2. I got coffee after dinner at Red Lobster one night, and it was some of the best coffee I have ever tasted. I asked what they used, and it was simple Maxwell House. After that, I bought some Maxwell House, but it turned out far inferior to what I had that night. I presume that it had to with the water, because in other chain restaurants, I’ve had coffee that was horrible in one location, and not bad at another.

          1. I took that into consideration, as well as trying tap water, distilled water from the store, and Brita filtered water from my tap water. I suspect the water was going through a water softener at the restaurant.

            1. Perhaps Jerry is recommending that you stop washing your equipment…(as well as implying certain things about certain restaurants…)

              1. I have no ides how often Wayne washes his “equipment”, and I like it that way!

              1. It was one of my favorites, always. It about broke my heart when I found out Leslie C. contracted those out and often didn’t pay. Heinlein’s They Do It WIth Mirrors was originally written as a Saint short when RAH’s career was on the skids. LC didn’t pay and Heinlein never signed the story over.

                1. oh no, how…how…disturbing

                  And I have so liked the Saint story collections I got at a local used book store decades ago.

      3. The Daughter observed sadly, after her return, that the coffee she got at McDonald’s in Japan was excellent and what she can get at McDonald’s locally is not as good.

        1. I’ve been given to understand that McDonald’s uses different coffee blends based on the regional preferences of the stores’ locations. Supposedly folks in New England have different preferences to folks in the South, to folks in (choose your region). Which is one reason my sister goes to Starbucks; she says that it may not be the best, but at least it’s consistent, and the stuff she gets in London or Germany or Providence is the same as the stuff in Seattle.

          When I lived in Ireland I’d been drinking instant (I know) Maxwell House and quite happy with it. I moved to Iowa, bought a jar, and had to throw the whole thing out, it tasted nothing like the Irish stuff; all acid and no coffee.

          Water does make a huge difference too. Using the same Keurig (I’d paid for it, so when I got downsized, it came home with me, to many people’s distress) and the same batch of K-Cups and water run through a Brita, there was a small but noticable difference in taste between locations less than 20 miles apart.

      1. Best coffee is Kaladi’s, but they’re local roasters in Alaska.
        Second best is Raven’s Brew, but they’re… local to Alaska.

        *sigh* I miss good coffee.

        1. I have gotten Ravens Brew online. It’s ok, but I like Meijer organics Sumatran and Guatemala Antiguan for alternating every day.

      2. We’ve been buying green Ethiopian coffee beans off Amazon and roasting our own at home.

        How’s that for snob?

        1. If you aren’t building your own mountain (or reshaping an existing one) for optimal aridity, lighting and other factors, harvesting your own beans and passing them through your own GI tract you aren’t really in the upper reaches of snobbery, are you?

      3. DD used to be my favorite coffee, but when they did the 99c special, I didn’t care for the coffee at all. There are many comments on line complaining that they seem to have changed their blend or source of beans. Used to be the best American coffee. If you have a different Dunkin Donuts near you, they may not have the problem. Each site may get to choose the good blend or a cheaper blend. No one knows for sure, everyone on line is speculating.

    2. As in, the collective of All Non-Caucasian people lays claim to the time and resources of All Caucasians because of past crimes done by some Caucasians. Who are dead.

      including some Non-Causasian Caucasians. Like, say, Chinese.

      Point out that Chinese were, for instance, ineligible for naturalization for decades after blacks were and many other issues, and they have no coherent.

      1. Having several friends who would need to be six feet under for more than ten years to lose any significant part of their “tan” – I never saw this as a racial thing.

        What I see it as is the collective of All Non-Productive (and Anti-Productive) people laying claim to the time and resources of All Productive people.

        Now, which group you fall into *partially* correlates to culture – which *partially* correlates to ethnicity – which *partially* correlates to the genetics involved in melanin production. I learned a *long* time ago (even before studying real statistics) that correlation is not causation.

  12. Ah Chris – “I’ll take my custom elsewhere!” Has such a nice British flavor. In America some may look oddly at you and say – “Park your vehicle anywhere you want, guy.”
    White privilege can be hard to avoid and strike in unexpected places. My brother-in-law is not one of my favorite people but he isn’t racist. When they lived in the Philippines they hired a house keeper and cook. She asked what her allowance was to buy food for her family. My sister-in-law having no idea how these things work told her not to shop twice but just buy doubles of whatever she planned to serve them. You can imagine how she hated to see them come back to the states. In her mind food was cheap and even cheaper there. The idea she would make them mostly buy beans and rice and local produce for themselves would have been offensive to my SIL. I’ll add – she was raised in S. Africa not the US.
    The house keeper got married while they were there and my relatives bought a gift and went to the wedding. They had to wave the bride and groom off from coming over to serve them at their table.
    This sort of privilege doesn’t just reside in the mind of the privileged.

  13. There is also “condescension rage”. I am not oppressed for my sexuality and never have been. I am comfortable with who I am and don’t walk around with a chip on my shoulder. I don’t need anyone to speak for me or stand up for me–I am perfectly capable of doing those things for myself. But a “victim” who refuses to admit to being victimized is even more threatening to SJWs than an oppressor who won’t admit to oppressing.

    1. But that means you have “internalized sexism”. Or maybe “internalized homophobia”, Or internalized whatever-category-I-am-supposed-to-infer-by-looking-at-you-which-is-totally-different-from-those-evil-bigots-looking-at-you.

      1. Considering how many people have considered me everything from Russian to Mexican, (depending on whether I open my mouth and have been in the sun any appreciable time the last four weeks or so) I could be like the guy in the Dinosaur abomination. It would take a generalist to consistently oppress me.

        1. My roommate is Korean and Sicilian. She tends to confuse people, because she doesn’t fit easily into any particular racial genotype. People have assumed that she is Polynesian, Hispanic, Native American, depending on where we are.

          1. Our daughters are Irish / Chinese. They’ve had school classmates ask them if they were anything from Somali (??) to “Hisperian”. (I *think* the fellow meant Siberian, but nobody to this day is still sure about that one.)

            1. My guess would be like Hispanic and Iberian mangled together into something nobody else recognizes as a word.

      2. I’m something that SJWs will tell you doesn’t exist–an ex-transgendered person. I had the great good fortune to encounter a therapist who understood that gender disphoria is best treated by helping me learn to accept myself rather than surgically mutilating my body. It infuriates me that people are trying to make the kind of therapy that helped me illegal.

        1. I wish your therapist had run into poor Heather Alexander before she messed with herself and her voice.

          A hundred years from now, this will be a page in history like lobotomies and shock therapy, or like bleeding people to reduce fever.

          1. I agree. In my opinion gender reassignment surgery is as irresponsible as stapling the stomach of a 90 lb bulimic who is under the delusion that she is fat. And the research that I have done suggests that the long term consequences for the patients is nearly as dire.

            1. Partly because you can’t really change. You can’t bear children, your bone and muscle structure doesn’t change. I think that’s why there are such high suicides. The medical establishment sells you an illusion.

              1. The high rate is because you really have to be unstable to ignore your chromosomes and have your body hacked upon. It is equivalent to claiming god made a mistake and you really should be a Lemur. Take all the money the change is going to cost and get some mental help.

                sorry, I think I snapped there.

              2. It’s dealing with a symptom instead of the issues that cause the symptom. It’s like people who blame their problems on where they live and so quit their jobs, abandon their belongs, leave their friends and family to move to some perfect place. When they get there they still have the original problems, plus they are broke and isolated.

                The Narrative says that post-op transsexuals are unhappy because people won’t accept them–I think it’s much more likely that they are unhappy because they never learned to accept themselves.

                If you are unhappy with yourself you can always project that onto other people.

            2. I have often wondered if the rush to surgery was a form of monetary exploitation by the medical community, but I am not well-read enough in the issue to do more than postulate.

        2. Can I say that I have always found this odd?
          The left seems to be of the opinion that sexual orientation is genetically determined, and, like the laws of the Medes and Persians, cannot be changed, based on correlations between genetic markers that are not resounding.
          Present them with something determined by an entire chromosomes, and they decide it can be changed at will.

          1. Oddly in consideration of their materialism, that is the one area where they believe the soul paramount. G-D knows where they think the soul comes from, but it — not the body — determines what you want to hump.

          2. No, it’s social conditioning if you want to keep it, and fixed and natural if you want to change. Girls who like girlie things are victims of oppression — boys who do are really girls.

    2. Ah, that’s because “victims” are their plaster saints, who are one-dimensional caricatures that should be anything they want. When we “victims” refuse to be officially approved victims with officially approved victim-mindsets, why, if we’re not saints, we must be devils that threaten their entire religion.

    3. I once read an article on Salon where the author’s article was -furious- that a victim of extreme child abuse (the abuse being a matter of legal and public record) grew up to become a successful, happy person who sought to help others overcome the legacy of the abuse…instead of, yanno, wallowing in misery and realizing they are, always will be, and MUST be a victim, reliant fully on victimhood instead of ambition to supply everything. 😛

      1. I think that some people don’t think clearly about anything nuance. I imagine that their line of thinking goes something like this:

        1) Abuse is bad because it damages a person permanently.


        2) Someone who has been abused has found a way to move beyond the damage.

        Then the damage must not be permanent and — well maybe — abuse is not so bad?

        But we know in our hearts that abuse is bad, so the person claiming to have found footing must be somehow lying.

      2. Dave Pelzer? I once worked at one of his book signings, and man, that guy was hilarious. Totally unexpected. (The passion for helping kids in the foster system—now, that I expected. And his number one priority? Getting the kids to understand that they could do more than just react; they had options and a choice in their future.)

  14. Don’t forget Male Privilege. I am constantly told that things that damned well happen to me, like being harassed in the street, or being trapped in an elevator with a pushy stranger, “never happen to men” because we are protected by the Male Privilege Force Field. Consequently, if it does, I am lying, or “trying to make it all about you”.

  15. My mother was aware of being targeted as a female. She related how as a teen Akron police told her to get in their cruiser because there was an accident at home and they’d take her there. It was a total lie. They obviously intended to take her off somewhere and rape her. She refused.
    How she responded latter in life was not flight. She had a motorcycle gang follow her around one night coming home from work late. She wouldn’t go home to let them see where it was and they were very persistent.
    Finally on a wide boulevard they pulled up beside her at the light, and she rolled down the window. “Hey, mama gonna talk to us!” they said.
    She laid the barrel of her .38 over the door and said: “Time to go home, boys.” They agreed.

    1. It has been a long time, but I recollect a Dear Abby letter from a California mother concerned about the way the girls were going after her teen-age son. Apparently threatening to spread the rumour he was homosexual if he didn’t put out for them was a common ploy.

      There were enough subsequent letters from other mothers to convince me the first mother wasn’t imagining the ferventness of the attention.

        1. To be honest…that probably would have been what it took with me when I was in school. Looking back now, there were probably a couple of girls that were very frustrated by my obliviousness.

          1. Just chuckling because I’m reading the snippets of another Chris Nuttall book. We know that a young man is interested in Chris’s female character but she’s missing the signals. Of course, she missed the signals that two of her friends were in love (with each other). [Smile]

          2. If any were interested in me in HS, I didn’t notice. I had an older sister who was more than enough trouble for me.

        2. Someone needs to teach them that the most effective means is to let him chase YOU – until you catch him. 🙂 Then again, most of the subtler art of flirting has gone the way of the dinosaur. And not the purple or the imaginary paleontologist kind, either.

            1. So now I have in mind a dinner scene at a restaurant. In the background Oud music is played.

              A spread of nibbles is placed on the table. The more aggressive of the two leans over and reaches across the table and, and after hesitating a moment, deftly snags the Medjool rather than a Deglet Noor from their partner’s plate.

          1. Once in ancient history, I used to get asked “Hey, are you a fox?” My response was “I don’t know, that’s not for me to say”. Which invariably ended that conversation. I had three or four pretty brazen come-on invitations, as well. Being shy and socially clueless, as well as coming from a background where wild oats were considered weeds and their sowing highly disapproved; I responded by running away. Well, walking pretty fast.

      1. Very common– betcha it gets excused because of the traditional “she didn’t sleep with me, so she must be a lesbian” thing by their parents/supporters, too.
        (No, they’re not the same– one is blackmail, the other is sour grape slander. Both nasty, but not on the same level.)

  16. Dialogue:
    an exchange of ideas or opinions on a particular issue, especially a political or religious issue, with a view to reaching an amicable agreement or settlement.

    oral exchange of sentiments, observations, opinions, or ideas
    (Merriam Webster)

    consideration of a question in open and usually informal debate
    (Merriam Webster)

    a discussion between people in which they express different opinions about something
    (Merriam Webster)

    A person who talks when you wish him to listen.
    (The Devil’s Dictionary, A Bierce)

  17. Would it not be more accurate to refer to SJBs (Social Justice Bullies) instead of SJWs? After all, warriors are supposed to be honorable, while “bullies” is a better description of their methods and behavior.

    1. Perhaps we could simply call them Hectors?

      Hector, (verb): talk to (someone) in a bullying way.
      synonyms: bully, intimidate, browbeat, harass, torment, plague

      1. So that would imply that when we are being vigilant against these types, we are Hector Detectors?

          1. Hey, Hector didn’t “ask for the fight”. Those sort of fights happen is a war! Now if you want to talk about “nasty” look at what Achilles did to Hector’s body.

        1. He was the least objectionable of the bunch, from a modern civilized traditional American morality perspective, wasn’t he?

  18. I think the Starbucks discussions were just a way for the baristas to feel their Victims Studies degrees weren’t totally useless.

    1. If you get a degree in victims studies…you need to take a closer look in the mirror!

  19. Here’s how the Seattle School System tried to define racism:

    The systematic subordination of members of targeted racial groups who have relatively little social power in the United States (Blacks, Latino/as, Native Americans, and Asians), by the members of the agent racial group who have relatively more social power (Whites). The subordination is supported by the actions of individuals, cultural norms and values, and the institutional structures and practices of society.

    Cultural Racism:
    Those aspects of society that overtly and covertly attribute value and normality to white people and Whiteness, and devalue, stereotype, and label people of color as “other”, different, less than, or render them invisible. Examples of these norms include defining white skin tones as nude or flesh colored, having a future time orientation, emphasizing individualism as opposed to a more collective ideology, defining one form of English as standard, and identifying only Whites as great writers or composers.

      1. It means thinking about the future. Like when you don’t get high because you’re on probation and have a drug test.

          1. Racist! You assume that the person who does or does not do drugs is non-whitish.

            Now, the school system. . . .

        1. Or like saving up to buy something, rather than putting it on you credit card right now.

          Or like preserving and stocking food for later use

  20. [i]Diversity training sessions tend to become, very quickly, nagging sessions. The unhappy recipients … are ordered to listen to someone who … hectors them constantly about the dangers of racism. [/i]

    I worked for a rather large corporate entity that sent every employee to a two (or was it three?) hour “training course” like that. The course consisted entirely on how to determine if you could claim you were being harassed or discriminated against, how to file a claim with the appropriate state agency, and how much money you might get if you were successful. In my naivete I’d expected a course along the line of “things not to do in order to stay out of trouble.” But the course was designed to *cause* trouble…

    I tried to explain this to a couple of upper management types, but they just gave me a blank stare and tuned me out. Good enough; they want to send their employees to a “how to sue us successfully” course, I guess it’s their prerogative…

  21. If it’s ok, this is the bookstore I’ve mentioned a few times. I’m the Bob Cratchit type in multiple layers huddled over the space heater:
    Downtown Colorado Springs Bookseller Bucks Trends
    (I can’t get the address to come up.)

  22. In the Colorado Springs Gazette, though the title seems to bring the article up ok.

  23. The truly breathtaking statement in Robin diAngelo’s article that Christopher Nuttall linked to is, “Think about it like this: from the time I opened my eyes, I have been told that as a white person, I am superior to people of color. There’s never been a space in which I have not been receiving that message.” For all I know, Robin diAngelo may actually have experienced this. But how astoundingly insular of her to assume that everyone else in America with white skin has experienced the same thing she has! “‘Faith, if their own front door is shut, they’ll swear the whole world’s warm.”

    All the kids in our school were raised to be colorblind; I came to the public schools only two years after forced integration, and any parents who had inclinations otherwise had yanked their kids out of the public schools. It worked; I remember my mother’s telling me, many years later, how she had sat next to the mother of my seatmate in Summer Band, and the mothers had traded rueful astonishment: Mother had been surprised that, although I had chatted happily to her about my seatmate for weeks, I had never once mentioned that he was black, and *his* mother had been astonished that *he* had never once mentioned that his seatmate Meredith was white. In fact, I hadn’t even noticed, and I don’t think he had either.

    Then in high school all of a sudden, some time around 1977 or 1978, they pulled all the black kids out of class for meetings and told them they shouldn’t be friends with the white kids any more because we were white oppressors. They were surprised and upset; I heard them talking about it together.

    Around that same time, my mother was teaching in an inner-city school system where all the school administrators were black. You had no chance of being promoted to principal if you were white. I internalized that too, though I didn’t realize it; many years later, far away in Appalachia, when I had reason to visit my local high school, I simply assumed that the one black adult I saw in a group of otherwise-white adults in the hall must be the highest-ranking person around. Of course, within seconds I realized how very silly I was being, but not before I had approached her in full though subconscious expectation that I was surely addressing the principal.

    1. “Think about it like this: from the time I opened my eyes, I have been told that as a white person, I am superior to people of color. There’s never been a space in which I have not been receiving that message.”

      The funny thing is… it’s primarily the progressives and race hustlers that are telling everyone this.

    2. Truth.

      I was raised that behavior mattered– had one grandma that was very worried about race, but for her the lowest of the low was English. Like the guy she married*.

      These guys aren’t thinking race, they’re thinking pretty much skin color. :/

      *It was OK, he didn’t act English. Repeat for anybody that was a member of pretty much anybody but the Scottish from her dad’s area, and some things– like being in the US military– were an automatic assumption of good behavior, although it could be lost.

      1. You know, the SJW always seem to have trouble with those of us who were raised to judge by the content of their characters, not the color of their skins.

        Christopher, that question about where the mixed child fits in, that’s why they came up with the ‘One Drop’ theory. That’s why our current president is considered The First Black President instead of Yet Another White President. They’re trying to claim our kids as automatic members of their group–yours, mine, Sarah’s, Mr. Torgersen’s, and anyone else who had other things in mind than identical skin cancer risks when they picked a spouse. There’s not much that makes me angrier then someone claiming my kids are part of their group just because of part of their ethnic background.

        1. You know, the SJW always seem to have trouble with those of us who were raised to judge by the content of their characters, not the color of their skins.

          Well, the content of their character isn’t usually that good, so they pretty much have to resort to skin color/ethnicity/whatever other excuse they can come up with. 😉

          1. The content of their character is excellent! Look how vigorously they root any trace of thoughtcrime!

  24. Didn’t notice the self-identification issue mentioned. If you ask the average white in America “List ten things about what you are” they come out with things like (and the female equivalents) husband, father, profession (or rank if military, religion, American. White/caucasian almost never appears at all. For blacks in America- black is almost always first or second on the list. Never read where racial identification appears for other ethnicities. If race is a strong part of your identity, I suspect you would think about it more. But, why does the difference exist- and why is it SO LARGE?

    1. Several possible causes exist. Here’s a few:
      One: As the racial (super)majority in America, whites don’t particularly notice their whiteness until this is brought to their attention. (This is the only thing about “white privilege” I am willing to concede exists.)
      Two: blacks have been told that their race matters practically since they showed up in America–first by people trying to use them for menial labor, and then by people trying to use them for their votes.
      Three: all recent attempts at gathering a white racial identity have been denounced (rightfully, IMO) as racism by the elites of society. However, due to a combination of guilt and cunning, the elites have not seen fit to do the same to black attempts to do so.

      1. It might be considered that historically whites in America did not see themselves as a single ethnic group. They were English, Scot, German, etc..

        In the past certain groups of what are now considered as Whites were certainly not part of the ruling elites. At the beginning of the twentieth century, during the ascendency of Progressivism, a certain group tried to create and promote a sense of a White race. Those who came from Eastern Europe or who were of Catholic or Jewish faiths did not make their cut.

        1. Certain people now considered white would have been denied naturalization when it was required by law for you to be a “free white person.” Irish were denied naturalization on that ground.

            1. RAH was fairly subtle about that, however. Readers not paying close attention (say, just reading for the ripping yarn) tended to absorb such details subliminally. Folks not especially gifted at subtlety and nuance (easily recognizable by their assertions of subtlety and nuance) tend to believe that if you aren’t rubbing people’s noses in your big-hearted love for all minorities you might judge them through observation of their behaviour.

          1. Pshaw — be fair, now. Sure, the Irish were white but were they persons?

            Certainly they were free, with their liquor and with other men’s property and wives (but I repeat myself.)

          2. This may be why one of my ancestors was careful to identify as Scots-Irish. The English had chased his family out of Scotland and they fled to Ireland. Then the English made it illegal for those of Scots descent to pursue the family business in Ireland. He came to America.

        2. Historically? Almost everybody I know, since most everybody I know is white, when you ask them their ethnic background will answer English, Irish, Scottish, Italian, Greek, German, whatever. My in-laws answer Bohemian. I’ll usually answer “American”.

          1. When I say “American”, I am told I am being “rude” and “obnoxious”.
            If I say “Jewish”, then “the” Jews will tell me I am lying, because I have the wrong choice of mother and religion.
            If I say “German” because that is the source of the second largest fraction of my genome, that would just be silly.

            1. I tend to just say “human.” Haven’t been accused of anything yet… of course, that might be because anyone I’m confident enough to speak to much at all is aware that making accusations at me is a Really Bad Idea. (family excluded)

          2. Parts of my family had been here well before the Revolution. The last to come out of Europe fled the Russian Pale. I call myself an all-American Mutt.

            1. Parts of my family have been here since before the invention of the sailing ship. The most recent part arrived in the 1890s. That particular great-great grandfather made a table on the way over…. my aunt still has it. It weighs a ton.

              Yeah, i use the ‘mutt’ moniker, too.

              1. “Parts of my family have been here since before the invention of the sailing ship”

                Me too. We suspect. Something about ancestresses up the Acadian branch of the family who, as far as the records go, appear to have appeared out of nowhere on their wedding days.

                As far as the records go, I can trace my ancestry back thirteen generations on this continent.

                “Yeah, i use the ‘mutt’ moniker, too.”

                Heinz. 57 varieties.

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