Give Them The Old Razzle Dazzle by Foxfier

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Give Them The Old Razzle Dazzle by Foxfier

Bright colored, sparkly, and moving fast even if it’s just flailing– all of that says look here. Know that ghost dance that Sarah’s always on about? This is that scene in Chicago where the court room is completely full of sparkle-covered dancers clad mostly with feathers that outweigh them.
If you’ve been watching Paliwood for a while, this might seem familiar — all those girls are in red. Like the Mandatory Bright Colored Children’s Toys often are, although blue is a distinct second, with other bright colors in the running. The one guy in the crowd who has a on clean coat or hat, in a bright color, is also popular. If a production has something brightly colored and clearly different, they want you to look there. Guess what, that applies to protests, as well. There’s a very good tweet on the “layers” of a protest, here: https://x.com/LukeTaylorUSA/status/2011147517262774298 We’re looking at Layer 1, from a slightly different angle– these are the folks that they want to have as the face of their movmenent. If you look at old protests, this is where the cute girls or emotionally packed character sketch stood. Think the cute hippy chick putting a flower in the barrel of a gun, or the “I am totally not trying to look like a parody of Jesus” hippy dudes in similar moves. Those photos even help drive it home because the folks behind them are usually out of focus– now, the people behind the “pay attention to these ones” are usually in hoods, masks, or both. Now, if you go to the tweet that Luke was responding to, you’ll find a video that does the unusual thing of not being from the desired perspective. https://x.com/i/status/2011130745125826859 There’s two attention-grabbers there– the chick with the dyed red braids, and the guy in the clean jean jacket and red-brown glasses. Well, and the ‘found out’ who is helpfully literally wearing a day-glo jacket, but we don’t see much of him before he’s finished with the f around portion. For the rest of the group? It’s hard to tell who is law enforcement and who is a protester, and even if it wasn’t winter it’d be hard to tell if some are male or female, which is why they’re not made up to be targets for attention. It’s like all the other camouflaged herds, it’s harder to pick out a target to focus on when they all blend together. You can see a non-evil example of this in that video of the ICE agent that picked up a rose, and handed it to a female colleague, where without him pulling focus on to her it wasn’t obvious there was a woman in the group. Now, with that in mind… why do I see all this talk about how “all the protesters” are white women? People keep sharing photos of protesters where there’s three or four women right up front, yeah, bright colored in both meanings hair and all, but there’s a dozen often-masked mostly guys who outmass even the landwhales right there. Even after we have videos of definitely-males doing things like chucking a frozen water bottle at the cops and trying to outrun them (and failing)? They put the pale, brightly colored examples out front to get your attention. It’s not just visual, either. They put women as spokesmen for exactly the same reason that the military uses a female voice for their cockpit AI– it gets attention. Same way that performative anger or sorrow does. Quit cooperating with the stupid activist games, please!

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  1. Also, when the Good Guys lay hands on the female opposition, it triggers the usual glandular response in threat forces males. Who promptly ape-up and attack.

    Which, of course, is why that flaming moron bluehair chick is in your face and flinging poo. Because she is the bait in the ambush.

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      2. It is =their= perception of “her” that matters, not yours.

        For example, merely the reputation of providing epic kneepad service to “Heroic Revolutionaries” will suffice.

        Doesn’t even have to be true, in any aspect. The Apes will Ape.

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    1. About a year ago I watched Network, and it stands up very well today. Somewhat randomly—the theme wasn’t “movies about media collaboration” it was “movies my dad might like”—I watched the Schwarzenegger Running Man a few nights later. It almost came across as a sequel, in the Mad Max/Road Warrior sense.

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  3. Put the chicks out front makes sense when you’re trying to create an impression of LE being “bad, cruel thugs” and also helps the people pushing and planning this crap to get more of their useful idiots wound up.

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    1. Make me think about Sarah as a kid. Was she at that protest because she really wanted to be, or was she there because someone ‘suggested’ she be the front girl for it? Doesn’t really matter which side the cannon fodder support, the leaders just fire and forget. Using them up isn’t a problem to those psychopaths.

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      1. We were not communists. It was all organic. I was up front, because the adults were cowards. And I was too stupid to run back.
        Organic= we had a call list for the demonstrations, that was it. Look, we were so inexperienced and unorganized they hadn’t punched holes in the banner, so the wind about broke my arm.
        No one suggested. I think I dragged mom. I was tired of bs at school.
        Look, this is not a “both sides” the right is always PATHETICALLY unorganized, even the European right.

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        1. Idiot lefties like to cosplay that they “are the witches your parents couldn’t burn,” or something.

          Conservatives/the right (ACTUAL r-w, not “Hitler wuz kangs” non-Commie l-w) could cosplay that “we are the cats your dog catchers couldn’t herd.” Because the Right have almost NO concept at all, sometimes to our own detriment, of their “collective Good,” and that Goes To Ten for the American Right. Nearest we are liable to come is intervals of “concurrent individual Good” when each of the hundred-score of cats is within earshot of the can-opener and all come together because each one comes individually at the same time as the rest of them.

          Of course, this is as oversimplified as any other analogy, and moreso than some. But we “herd” in ones and twos, and small clowders. The duration of any unified effort on the part of The Right will probably be in inverse proportion to its magnitude of participants.

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    2. Also put seniors up front, similar reasoning.

      I have a brother and sister-in-law who go out recapturing their youth every weekend protesting ICE. To them, it’s a pleasant social event that lets them spend time with their friends.

      We carefully do not talk politics, by mutual agreement.

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  6. A couple of nights ago I was talking to the treasurer for the campaign of a local Republican Minnesota State Legislator. He didn’t see that there could be any connection between Alex Pretti and the woman in a white jacket who had been harassing the agents. He saw it as virtuous that Pretti came to her aid when she was finally shoved by one of the officers she had been harassing. He couldn’t even see where in the video Pretti made physical contact with the officer. He could only see where Pretti reached down to help the woman up. What I saw as part of a paramilitary obstruction operation, he saw as an act of gallantry.

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        1. 13th, I think, but– yeah, that was an impressive final heel-strike, that guy was not small.

          Explains why the protesters think they can get away with this stuff.

          Theyhave been doing so for about a month, now.

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    2. Might want to point him at this detailed follow-up on Pretti….

      https://open.substack.com/pub/amuseonx/p/signalgate-and-the-myth-of-the-peaceful?utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&utm_medium=web

      Based on what is now known, it is far more accurate to say that Alex Pretti functioned as an active participant in the ICE Watch insurgency in Minnesota. He was not a bystander. He was not merely present. He was trained, coordinated, armed, and operational. He provided actionable intelligence. He accepted assignments. He moved toward enforcement scenes in response to real time direction. And on the day of his death, he inserted himself physically into a confrontation with federal officers while carrying a loaded firearm and additional magazines, in violation of Minnesota law, after being warned by his own parents not to engage officers because of his anger.

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      1. All of the ‘activists’ that participated in sending Pretti into that situation should be charged as accessories to murder. Pretti was killed in the act of committing multiple crimes and all of those other ‘activists’ conspired to help commit them.

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    3. Aha. I *knew* there was more to the whole “But he was just helping a woman who’d been shoved/pepper sprayed/attacked by ICE!” nonsense that I’ve seen even some folks on the right spouting. I’ve been too busy to go and look and determine if it was a straight up lie or not (because we know they’ve done that, too), so thanks for the additional context here.

      And look, it is entirely possible that he was NOT in fact going for his gun. But you add an idiot showing up armed, getting in agents’ faces, and these very agents have spent days/weeks/months being harassed, screamed at, had potentially lethal objects thrown at them (along with other non-lethal but disgusting ones), had their families threatened, families actually attacked, had their hotels attacked, and they can’t even attend church any more in peace…? These are guys who are exhausted, furious, scared, and basically down to their very last nerve and its fraying…and yeah. They’re gonna be twitchy, and likely overreact. Which is EXACTLY what the left’s purpose in all of this is. It’s the same damn playbook of “push and bully until they push back, and then play the victim” writ large, and now in “actually costing people their lives” flavor. >:(

      I know the Trump administration is trying to tread as lightly as they can (and I think that’s wise) but…Bondi needs to get off her damn ass, and Patel and Noem need to stop saying stupid shit like “you shouldn’t ever be armed at a protest, and carrying extra clips is super sus”

      (If he had not continued pushing into LEO’s space after being warned, and then violently resisting arrest, him being armed at a protest would not have been in any way an issue, and perfectly acceptable. The issue here is his behavior making it so the fact that he was armed likely cost him his life, instead of spending a few days in jail, but Patel/Noem seem to be making it sound like actually HAVING the gun was a problem. It’s not quite as stupid as Bondi’s remarks a few months back on free speech…but it’s close.)

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      1. In the long run, Patel and Noem have been doing a decent job. Doesn’t mean they’re going to be right every time they open their mouths. And in Pretti’s case, having a gun at a protest WAS the problem. It would be one thing for protection against violent pro-ICE anti-protestors, which are pretty damn thin on the ground. If it’s for protection against ICE, then it’s already a criminal act. So, I have to agree with Noem on that one. It wasn’t the full load, but it was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

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          2. Aside from the occasional dumb comment (which as someone pointed out elsewhere in the comments everyone does) I’ve been mostly pleased with the job Patel and Noem are doing.

            It’s Bondi that I’m not convinced is anything but useless :/

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      2. What you are describing is called “reactive abuse” and the left are masters at it. Use that phrase as much as possible and call them out on it.

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      3. Another issue is that Pretti used a Sig 320 as his weapon. There’s some video evidence that it did what 320s can do–go off without a trigger pull. Interesting way to add to the FA part of FAFO.

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          1. And he makes a point near the end as well.

            ICE could have made-with the information they had at that moment-every right decision and still have a terrible outcome.

            (That and the SIG 320 is so going to cause SigSauer to lose billions when the lawsuits start to roll…)

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            1. When the end-user modifies the product, liability is mostly voided with the warranty. Unless Sig put that thing out that as a custom model.

              It looked amateur billy-bubba modded to me.

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              1. P320 has several years of complaints of undesired discharges when dropped or struck. Enough that quite a number of government contracts for them were pulled or required correction of the problem. No deaths that I’ve heard of, but several injuries from the unintentional firings.

                I’ve fumble finger (really need to put a heater in the garage/shop) dropped my P365 a couple of times, never had it go off; nor have I heard of any accidental firings with it from others. Good, solid, compact 9mm pistol.

                P320 is twice as big, still firing a 9mm, although the longer barrel increases muzzle velocity somewhat, and longer-range accuracy. If I was going for an open carry pistol, I’d want one with a 6-inch barrel in .45 cal. for both accuracy and stopping power.

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                1. Not an expert, but it is my understanding is there are enough geometry differences in the fiddly guts of the fire control unit between the P320 FCU to the P365 FCU that the latter likely would not experience similar issues to the former, and indeed AFAIK stuff seen in the P320 is not being seen in the P365.

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                2. There has been at least one confirmed death-AF security officer put his Sig down in the holster and it went off, hitting him in the gut.

                  I wouldn’t be surprised at all-if the videos are correct-that the ICE agent who had the gun was pushing on the slide in such a way to cause a discharge. There’s been a few videos where P320s have gone off with slide pressure but not cycling, done by gun experts who have seen it happen.

                  Gun goes off in close proximity, tensions are high…

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                  1. The Air Force incident turned out to be a case of another individual lying about what happened in an attempt to cover their behind. However there have been a number of cases, many caught on film, of P320s going off in holsters with no obvious cause. Whether it did during this case is uncertain. Lots of debate over what the videos show.

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          2. Yeah, There does seem to be a possibility that Pretti’s P320 went off in the officer’s hand. I can’t see it for sure in the video I have seen. It might just be my eyes or my computer screen, but I am often unable to see details that others claim to see in low res video clips. The whole incident has a lot of uncertainty and chaos involved.

            I take this whole incident as being a semi-organized operation on the part of the so called “protesters” and tend to think of them as misguided cannon fodder for the left, what the old Bolsheviks called useful idiots. Also in the mix though are more committed fanatics and overall I consider the whole situation dangerous.

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            1. The committed ones are hanging back. They’re on-site to help direct, but back far enough to fade away if things turn ugly. During Trump’s first term, the Feds took advantage of this by grabbing some of them off of the streets in Seattle and Portland.

              And even they’re only mid-level managers.

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    4. An now the media is working overtime to turn Pretti into a martyred saint, so other depressed isolated and suicidal (subconsciously or not) people will want to go out and pick fights with heavily armed LEOs because they’ll imagine their face run through beautifying AI and plastered everywhere while good people cry dramatically and call them a wonderful hero. Similar way media accidently-on-purpose the media encourage mass shooters.

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        1. I think this is like the 3rd or 4th “this” I’ve gotten from our hostess. Such a simple yet gratifying word. Thankyou. 😊

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  7. Also explains why Antifa and their ilk get *very* hostile toward anyone who isn’t them reporting on or filming their actions. Cameras might look toward places they’re not supposed to look.

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    1. And conversely, the case they trumpet that it was “captured from every angle!” is itself damning, because a camera only sees what it’s already pointed at. The only reason for so many cameras to be pointed at the incident is that the cameramen were In Position to capture Something Going Down, and the more dramatic the better. Ergo, the Pretti boy was On Stage, and knew it, and was altercating for the Camera. Hell of a thing to die for.

      I believe there could have been some margin for error on the side of not shooting the idiot, but that it was still a justifiable shoot under the conditions. A “good shoot” without being the only outcome possible. A case of “What can we learn from this?” rather than the “How do you plead?” that the Left are demanding.

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      1. The multiple camera angles also gets folks going “Wait…how come all these videos only start after they’re being walked off the road? And how come the best camera angle we have, which is from like half a block away, keeps looking away from the action at odd points?”

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  8. “They put the pale, brightly colored examples out front to get your attention.”

    Of note today, signals intelligence has reportedly broken the whole thing open, and arrests are being made. The amount of money being raised and spent is considerable.

    As you say, they put the brightly coloured ones out front so the cameras only look at them. Of even more interest is that those people are PAID to be there.

    It’s astroturf. Even the cannon fodder/useful idiots are paid. There’s nothing genuine about any of it.

    “Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
    That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
    And then is heard no more. It is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
    Signifying nothing.” Wild Bill Shakespeare.

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      1. I saw a couple of YouTubes about it last night, apparently the FBI traced the entire “anti-ICE” network in Minnesota, including the money, and the donors. Apparently the usual NGOs are involved, and there are some donors from Canada.

        This is not what you want to see when you’re supposed to be negotiating a new trade deal in the summer.

        But, and this is the real news as far as Americans are concerned, most of the money ultimately originates with the US government. The American taxpayer is paying for all this.

        Fun!

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        1. We REALLY need to cut all those NGOs off at the ankles. If they’re using money supplied by grant or whatever from the government, then they really aren’t NGOs. More like, parasites.

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          1. And Schummer and the other Marxist pricks will scream we’re killing children, again. Really can’t we just give all those Marxist politicians a helicopter ride, one way off course. tic

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            2. “Schummer and the other Marxist pricks will scream we’re killing children, again.“

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              Let them.

              If Not-Government-Organization, then they do not need government money. At least, we the taxpayer, would no longer be funneling money to the usual suspects.

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        2. And you can bet a very big pile of it was through various myriad fraud schemes recently on the news and pushed off said news by the riot-shows.

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      2. IIRC, Datarepublican already tracked this information using the info pulled from the Signal chats… as usual.

        I suspect that the Signal chat logs would need more solid confirmation before they could be considered more than hearsay. But I’m confident that any person or group mentioned as a possible source of resources is getting a thorough (but quiet for now) investigation.

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        1. One of the quirks of the laws against random or unwarranted wiretaps, is that once they establish a plausible other means to have obtained or justified the information, the illicit taps become useable via the alternate path and some wink-wink nudge-nudge.

          It stinks. But I see no reason to only allow it to be used against us and for treasonous swine..

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          2. One of the quirks of the laws against random or unwarranted wiretaps, is that once they establish a plausible other means to have obtained or justified the information, the illicit taps become useable via the alternate path and some wink-wink nudge-nudge.

            That is the accusation from those who want to be given full doxing on every person who ever so much as told an officer “hey, I think something is weird over there, maybe you guys should go look?”

            It’s the most recent in a long history of making it far too dangerous to contact authority.

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            1. In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

              Yeah, that pesky 6th Amendment, entitling the defendant to know who’s accusing him, and on what basis.

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              1. If someone reports that he noticed something odd, and the police go over and confirm that it was not only odd but criminal, the first person does not accuse him of a crime, and so the police, who do, are the ones relevant.

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              2. Please show me where in the 6th amendment it says “and if anybody claims there are super secret other reasons besides the evidence they have put forward to prove it in a court of law then that proof becomes invalid.”

                Or even merely “if someone is doing a crime, they have the absolute right to all information connected to it, even if that completely removes the right of the victims of the crime.”

                As you are fully aware, in court the accusers do have to come to the stand. That is exactly why it is so valuable to be able to harm them, as New York has shown by doxing witnesses, “shockingly” resulting in death before they can testify.

                My, what an amazing and unexpected thing!

                The demand for all those who have ever reported a problem to be doxed makes it so that even fully public conversations or information which is completely owned by the person reporting it becomes, in function, the property of the accused, and they are able to threaten those who don’t help them hide it.

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                1. On the other side of that coin you get ‘anonymous tips’ leading to SWATting and ‘red flag’ laws being triggered, and you don’t have the right to know who said what. Or if there never was a ‘tip’ at all and some faceless bureaucrat made it all up just to harass you. And you still don’t have the right to know.

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                  1. Your examples are incorrect;

                    SWATing is a false police report, most commonly with the accuser falsifying that they are in the location the police are being called to.

                    “Red Flag Laws” cover a large range of options, however, they do require an accuser who is recorded, which is why they are put in place– to standardized the procedure for dealing with the accusations.

                    There are anonymous tip lines, which are the real targets of these accusations, but the information in them is not actionable. THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CALLED A TIP LINE. All they do is provide information on where to look, which these days is almost always “hey, this is the publicly posted video of my cousin waving a gun around and saying he wants to kill ICE; I am very sure he is a felon and shouldn’t have this, can you maybe check it out and talk to his parole officer?”

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            2. Yep. Had it happen to me. Being that target of a drive by shooting because you called for police enforcement of a problem was a real wake up call.

              Lessons learned:

              1. Cops take forever to respond. You need to be your own first responder/defender. I carry concealed now more religiously than I go to church.
              2. Cops may try to discount what you’re telling them. Dipstick ‘detective’ (maybe that should be defective) they sent out to investigate kept trying to pass it off as, “just kids playing around”. Fortunately, the chief of police is a friend and took me seriously.
              3. Unless you have good, multiple cameras that record everything, or are lucky enough to have a neighbor actually see them, you’re unlikely to catch the felons.
              4. If you shut up and do nothing, the bad guys win every time. Life isn’t worth living as slaves to the threats from these thugs. Speak up loudly, often, and rationally.

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              1. “Cops take forever to respond.“

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                Locally, the police don’t respond if no one was hurt. That is even iffy unless someone is killed. Answer is, “file a police report”. The police report is for your homeowner’s insurance.

                To be fair to the police (at our house that is sheriff or state) are understaffed. The safety initiatives do not seem to equate to on the street police personnel. Even the K9’s they have are acquired through handler grants, not agencies. OTOH, when a handler moves from one agency to another, or even different departments within the same agency, the K9 moves with them. (Neighborhood officer changed from city police to county police, his partner K9 moved with him.)

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                1. As a long-time volunteer for a canine SAR team, I can testify that moving the dog with the handler is to keep an effective team, not to save money. It takes (at least) months to get the dog + handler team working to full potential. You don’t break up something that’s working just because of stupid rules about funding.

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                  1. “testify that moving the dog with the handler is to keep an effective team, not to save money“

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                    True.

                    I know how hard it is to train a dog. To keep to standards. I’m not talking about the levels required for SAR, K9, military K9. Just pet to public access service animal. Which isn’t close to the others.

                    There is a reason why our dog (now pet only) minds me immediately and not the others in our household (yes, they were part of the training, but guess who set standards). There are also reasons why, note – not required, she hangs with me, more than anyone else (except, when the littles, great-nieces/nephews, are around). And I’m not feeding her scraps (that is dad).

                    Locally, going to say it is both. The handlers are picked and trained. The K9’s are procured by grants. Once paired, and trained together, they stay together, even unto retirement (most likely by the K9 first).

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      3. I am far, far more interested in dealing with the useful idiots with US Citizenship. While Sanctioning/Tarrifing/Raiingd the hostile foreign power is nice, trying, convicting, and slow-hanging the traitor bastards is -far- more satisfying and educational.

        Court-Martialing and Crucifying the f###tard traitors would be epic. And best. despite some squeamishness among the ordinary decent people.

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  9. I still like the idea of water cannons with semi-permanent dye. One doesn’t need to use a water pressure that ablates skin, just enough liquid to soak everyone rioting.

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  10. All this is being done by less than one percent of the people including all the news media. I am surprised more Liberal Politicians aren’t being attacked. No seriously, if they think this is all we can do, they truly are insane. They haven’t seen bad yet, but it’s coming if they keep this shit up.

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    1. No seriously, if they think this is all we can do, they truly are insane.

      Not insane, jaded. They really and truly believe that all of our warnings are empty threats. It’s why you have T-shirts and bumper stickers with the Gadsden snake being strangled by the Marxist clenched fist and the caption “We will tread”. They haven’t seen a real counter example in living memory.

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      1. their favorite new slogan is “bootlicker” with the snake locking the boot. Because if you say fuck off to the left’s violent temper tantrums trying to force/manipulate the government into doing what it wants against the will of the people youre apparently a submissive slave to authority or something.

        I also got called a “bootlicker” for pointing out Elon Musk does not have a huge vault full of gold and cash that’s he’s “hoarding” like Smaug or Scroodge McDuck and that’s making people poor, it doesn’t work like that. So make of that what you will.

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      2. And why, as I noted above, these Darwin Dodgers feel safe blocking one of the busiest freeways in Downtown Los Angeles in the middle of the morning.

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      3. The one I saw was a silhouette of a cat killing the snake and the caption “I tread where I want”.

        Singularly appropriate, even if you like cats, because it shows that the person who put it up has no respect for other people’s boundaries, and is perfectly willing to kill anyone who tried too enforce them.

        … Probably the most effective countersign would be a silhouette of a massively fat cat with the caption “Lawd she treadin’!”

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      4. Because the poor idiots have no *idea* what will happen when it starts, and the ones on our side who *could* start things *do* know, and really don’t want too live in a continent-sized Beirut.

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  11. What’s really angering me is the doom and gloom from some supposed “conservative” influencers who want to roll over and die in the face of the media propaganda onslaught. It’s all “Don’t trust the media!”” until it’s “OMG! Look what the media is saying! Quick, surrender!” And all the while it’s the Dems who are panicking.

    I hear a lot of jokes about Republicans being the stupid party and now I’m wondering how much of that stupidity was deliberately introduced.

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  14. I do my best to avoid anyplace where I know people are congregating to protest or wave signs. Crossfire doesn’t care what your beliefs are, nor do panicked or angry people in herds, especially herds that are being driven but don’t realize it.

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  15. The left has this whole righteous protester mythology going on with how they view protests. There’s such an element of “how dare you oppose our holy protest warrior caste”.

    Meanwhile ever leftwing protest I’ve ever seen is an angry mob. And I see nothing righteous or holy about angry mobs.

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  16. This is a real Insurrection and it should be treated as such. Brandon Johnson Mayor of Chicago said they are coordinating with other Mayors and politicians to fight Ice, his own words, If true that is conspiracy against the federal government. I.E. Insurrection/Rebellion/Treason. That is the real story here.

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