Frens, Romans, Countrymen

Posted on by Sarah A. Hoyt

Frens, Romans, Countrymen, I come not to shoot the language but to save it. Yay, even those bits that are neologisms and silly and I enjoy the heck out of.

One of the first things that attracted me to the US was the irreverent treatment of language. Coming from a culture in which the precise word choice denoted your education, your culture, your class, and a wrong word choice could either be incredibly offensive or put you in a vulnerable position, finding a culture that treated its language like a cute toy was a breath of fresh air.

Americans mangle, spindle, fold and wurtelerize English with a glee only heretofore seen with a kid playing with his shiny toy on Christmas morning. We come up with entire variations, each increasingly more deranged, ranging from “mere” slang to…. Guys, i seriously can’t imagine any other culture on G-d’s Green Earth (or out of it, unless there are Space USAians) who would come up with the ENTIRE LOL CAT LANGUAGE.

I love the LOL Cat language with an unclean love. My kids had to tell me to stop using kthanxbye because it was dating myself (and that’s illegal in 49 states and iffy in Florida.)

We invent new words because we feel like it. And sure, a lot come from mispronounciations, or cutsy baby talk. Shotty. It took me days to figure out it came from “Shorty.” And then there’s boo — guys we need to talk — the pronunciation of beau is buho (not really, but it’s the closest I can come on insufficient coffee) — not boo, and it’s a MALE noun. Oh, you want to call your girlfriend that? Never mind, carry on. Though I’m going to draw the line at “stallion” applied to women. no really. WTF is wrong with you. That’s not playful, that’s an horrendous image.

Anyway, moving right along: even when I have objections to some of the truly bizarre things some people — OTHER PEOPLE’S CHILDREN — do to English, I enjoy the playfulness and the humor.

And then there’s the left. No, seriously. Then there’s the left. I suspect prompted by 4Chan who obviously hasn’t been kept amused enough, but still.

There is absolutely NO EXCUSE FOR THIS. None.

First of all, there are not “extreme right wing actors” unless you mean play-actors, in which case there still aren’t any, because if there were they would be run out of Hollywood. Unless you mean actors as in LARPers, in which case, yes, there are. But most of them are FOREIGN or bots (and often both) or work for the FBI. Yes, there are a few native born chowderheads, for is it not written “The chowdersheads you shalt always have with you” but in those cases I suspect mostly mental illness, and in a couple of prominent cases possession.

Look, if there were as many “extreme right wing actors” as the left obsessively worries about, we’d have a lot more assassins, etc. caught who were actually right wing. And not, you know, declared right wing a (pulled from the left’s) posteriori like the crime passionale at q club in Colorado Springs. No, the guy was not shooting because he hated gay or trans. He was shooting because his boyfriend, girlfriend, whatevercan’t remember, was two timing him, and he got a gun. Other than his enacting a country song (without his truck or dog) there really wasn’t anything about that to indicate “right wing.” And so it is with all the others, including the schizophrenic who killed politicians while working for Tim Walz. (Okay, that was prima facie evidence of mental illness, right there.) There are no real, proven right wing ethno anything killers since whoever the crazy dude was who shop up a walmart and before that the bombing of the IRS building in Oklahoma City. (And that was more anti-IRS than ethno anything.) And if these people existed in the numbers the left thinks they do, we’d be hearing of these every day, instead of someone yelling alloha snackbar and killing a bunch of people, or various sorts of furry-fixated trans/gay/flavor of the week shooting people while revved up on FAR LEFT ideology.

Look, I do get how the left has come up with this type of charming hallucination. They KNOW we’re the majority of the country, because they’re busting their butt on fraud just to pretend they’re 50%. It’s the same paranoia that led them to surround DC with barbed wire during the Autopen reign. On top of that, of course, they have NO IDEA WHO WE ARE. They buy their own screams that we’re racist, sexist, etc. etc. etc.

So why haven’t we attacked yet? Well, we must be extremely sneaky, and communicating stealthily all the time. ALL THE TIME. And they need to “decode” us.

So they run around terrified of words like “Fren” and “boogaloo” and looking under rocks for Hawaiian shirts and thinking that the okay sign, in use for over 100 years, suddenly has a secret meaning.

Look, you’d think they’d have learned from Free Bleeding NOT TO LET 4Chan spin them up!

But no. So, once and for all: Dear leftist academics, you’re not just overthinking this. Your overthinking of this has reached low Earth orbit and is accelerating. You could take your overthinking and use it to power Mars probes and reach just under light velocity.

Guys, let me explain. The right doesn’t do secret handshakes. The right doesn’t do secret codes. The right barely does nodding in acknowledgement at each other in formal settings. The reason you assclowns and Timwalzes ran the show so long is because the right isn’t REALLY good at any kind of social thing. At least not in the US we aren’t. We’re a bunch of individualists who just want to be left the heck alone. And we want to do our (various) things and forget that things like getting together and using any kind of code exists. Even codes we need for work.

Repeat after me: THE INDIVIDUALISTS LARGELY FAIL TO ORGANIZE.

Which is why we put up with your nonsense so long, even though you were patently idiots about what you wanted to do (Also repeat after me: NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF EVER HAS ‘EVERYONE JUST’ DONE ANYTHING. UP TO AND INCLUDING EATING.) We were like a very smart spouse shacked to a dunce, but the dunce likes keeping up with the neighbors and talking to family and the smart spouse appreciates that service so much that he/she puts up with the occasional eating rocks and wearing pants on head.

But of course, you Timwalzs couldn’t leave it alone and started doing stuff that made the country actually unlivable and messing with our kids, and trying to kill us. And that is something up with which we will not put. So now you have your attention, and you’re panicking.

No, let’s call it what it is: you’re gibberingly terrified. And like a very stupid people in a party of geniuses (I’m not saying, understand that all leftists are stupid. But the philosophy is and it duncifies (totally a word) even the smartest persons) you’re looking at every minute movement and word as though it might contain a code that is telling us how to defeat you. (As though it needed a code. Snort, giggle. You’ve heard of the self-licking-ice-cream-cone? You’re the self-defeating Timwalzs.)

So you come up with beauts like thinking fren, a word mostly used in the context of talking about cute kids or animals — we had Fren Quail, who loved being petted, for instance — is some kind of evil acronym.

Guys? We don’t do dogwhistles. WE JUST TALK. We don’t have secret handshakes. We don’t actually like to shake hands.

We’re not pretending to be obsessed with our jobs and families to catch you unawares. WE REALLY HAVE LIVES. And we don’t care that much about politics except when it interferes with our lives.

Yes, yes, there’s a bunch of Pepe memes with “Fren” used. Look, it uses everything, including LOLcat. If you’re going to forbid anything some tard (term of endearment, FYI) puts in a Pepe meme, we’re going to be confined to stomp once for yes, twice for no, and that’s really hard over the internet.

STOP MESSING WITH THE LANGUAGE.

I know you don’t understand spontaneous linguistic play. You don’t understand spontaneous anything. You plan and strategize and plot all the time. Which is why you think we do it.

We don’t. We have real lives. We play with our language, our food, our kids, our dogs,a nd we do it all for fun and not to communicate some coded message to bring about our version of political paradise. We — get this — don’t believe in political paradise.

And we very sincerely, very urgently, would like you to consider getting a life and stopping interfering with ours.

Leave our words alone! Don’t touch our words! Go touch yourselves!*

*Just don’t forget to wash your hands afterwards.

102 thoughts on “Frens, Romans, Countrymen”

  1. They are always hearing Right-Wing “Dog-Whistles” but forget that only Dogs hear “Dog-Whistles”. [Very Very Big Crazy Grin]

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  2. “Fren” gets used on Gab and 4chan and in Pepe memes a lot, so in that respect, it’s kind of a right-wing thing. Know why? Because the Gen-Z and Gen-A Right LOVE to meme. They grew up on lolcat cheezburgur memes. It’s how they communicate. Whereas the Left, regardless of age, is so busy being humorless scolds and figuring out pronouns that they don’t take time to have some fun with the language.

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      1. Well no, it’s just a silly term that tends to be mostly used by the Right because we actually put our time into fun creativity instead of agonizing over which injustice is worse or whether that person behind the counter is a him, her, xim, xer, or xero.

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  3. I would like to point out that Hiberno-English is just as rich in descriptives and neologisms.

    But also, on a far more serious note, don’t tell them to touch themselves. Because they interpret that as they can touch themselves in front of me, my kids, my kids cat, it’s cousin twice removed, and the fecking king off England. And I’m bloody well sick of it. Have some decency, FFS. Stop wearing dresses so bloody short I can see your bollocks.

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    2. Or your bras. Or – to the other side of the equation – pull your bleepin’ pants up. No one wants to see that.

      Was a time when showing up in public meant you at least tried to be decently covered. Toddlers have the excuse of not quite having figured out this “clothes” thing.

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  4. Leftists must keep thinking the three-parentheses clowns are on “our side” (if any), never noticing that the three-parentheses clowns are much closer to their side, philosophically speaking, than ours.

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      1. (((Lisp) programmers) are the cause of all our problems)

        The Reader provides the required recursion. And curses Lisp.

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          1. 🤣👏

            Explains so much.

            Catch the background laughs? Guess who are the programmers?

            Interestingly enough I never had to take a class where LISP was used. Got to skip that class as I was a bit advanced when I hit the 4 year program. Already having a 4 year degree, sold list of programming and development classes, plus experience. Just had to take 6 junior and senor level college level computer classes and 8 math classes (yes, more match classes than computer classes, soooooo useful too; not!).

            Also wurtelerize? Not a word recognized by google. 100% should be.

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        3. Lots of Idiotic Stupid Parentheses.

          Never attempted to either write or read Lisp, just what I’ve heard. Apparently less obscure than APL.

          I once had a micro-computer SNOBOL environment/compiler. Wrote one tiny program. Gave up.

          Worked at a place that had a spreadsheet app written in FORTH. LOTUS and fellow-travelers came out about 2 years later.

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          2. I never had to use LISP either. The (redacted) local university used a intro computer weed class that used LISP or something equivalent. I got to skip it coming in the way I did. Yea me! Didn’t miss it a bit.

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  5. OT, but possibly of general interest: I just found out that my nephew and his wife are having twins, 1 boy, 1 girl, sometime in May or June.

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    3. Congrats to the expecting parents!

      My cousin’s daughter just had fraternal twins, boy and girl, a few days ago.

      Paternal grandpa was a twin (he also had twin sisters). A (different) cousin had twins (half identical girls). Now a cousin once removed has had twins. Niece was pregnant with twins, but she lost them 4 months in (first a daughter born 14 months later, second, a boy is due May or June 2026). Twins skipped one generation, our (cousins and mine) parents (six children, no twins).

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  6. On neologisms: Dutch is well known for them, and for the glee with which they are constructed at times. I remember a regular annual column in the newspaper discussing the year’s neologisms and which one was the best one.

    One that I remember well is “voordeurdeler” which actually has an English direct equivalent but that one is an acronym: POSSLQ (look it up). The Dutch word literally means “one who shares your front door”, and like POSSLQ actuallly means “live-in unmarried partner”.

    The nice thing about Dutch, almost as much as German, is that you can glue together words to make up a new composite. The one I mentioned comes from “voor” (before, in front of), “deur” (door), and the participle of “delen” (divide, split, share).

    Come to think of it, not as well known in the West but Japanese does the same thing for neologisms. For example a car is “jidosha” which is exactly “automobile”, i.e., “self moving vehicle”. Similarly “kisha” (steam car, i.e., locomotive) and “densha” (electric car, i.e., tram or trolley). And they do fun composites like “denko” (electric child) which means electron.

    Languages are fun. Learning more of them is wonderful because different languages are fun in different way, and (especially across language families) make or ignore distinctions in different ways.

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  7. “My kids had to tell me to stop using kthanxbye because it was dating myself (and that’s illegal in 49 states and iffy in Florida.)”
    48 states plus Florida. It’s legal in Wisconsin. Anything’s legal in Wisconsin as long as it involves a dairy product.

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  8. “So why haven’t we attacked yet? Well, we must be extremely sneaky, and communicating stealthily all the time. ALL THE TIME. And they need to “decode” us.”

    You know, that’s not untrue. They -do- need to decode us. They have no freaking idea what we think, or how we’re going to act in any given circumstance.

    I mean, they always expect the worst possible behavior. Because that’s what THEY would do.

    But then we don’t do that. Generally we do nothing. It drives them insane.

    So what do they think? They think we’re saving up, is what they think. Every atrocity that goes by, every joke judicial action, every slight, every theft, we’re storing it all up in a big ball of darkness, to be unleashed at the time of our choosing. They think “one of these days, those Righties will go full N@zi.”

    Because that’s what -they- do. They can’t conceive of any person not doing what they would do.

    I’m pretty okay with this. If all the Lefties think I’m communicating by back channels, dog whistles and secret handshakes with the rest of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, I like that.

    That’s right, lefties. Boomers are all running silent, tradecraft is so high that you can’t figure us out. As Tony Montana once remarked in lolcat:

    “Say henlo to my little fren.”

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    1. Models that are not predictive, behavioral fields of academic scholarship that are dumpster fires, and people who grew up afraid that they would be bullied relentlessly if they did not get the gold stars for repeating teacher.

      There are fundamental problems with trusting behavioral scholarship, especially in forecasting.

      One is the confounding factors of attempting behavioral measurement. It is really hard not to bias your experiments and instruments in ways that might not be crudely obvious, but still perturb your stats if you are trying to look at minor or small effects.

      Two, stuff well established in the literature may be very old behavior, and depending on the society, may have fully changed while the academics are writing about what the emperor of Rome should be doing with the silver alloy he mints coins in. Note that I am throwing shade at modern scholars by that, and I explicitly mean a secular literal emperor, not some fancy poetic allusion.

      Three, government capture, and or academic density inspiring idjits to run amok. When academics do not get enough RL, touch grass, contact they value and respect outside of academia, they tend to go quite a bit more nuts. Look, if an entire field has like thousand or ten thousand people employed in the US, they basically do not represent anyone, and can go very bad nuts if their literature is very curated, and they take it seriously.

      Four, treating reduced order models as if they are necessarily full fidelity. Additionally, failing to understand that that there are no full fidelity models that are entirely supported by empirical evidence, when large enough groups are considered. There are permutations here that deserve sentences, but I am already worked up with my own self-righteousness.

      Five, believing oneself able to foresee nonlinear behavior shifts. No, some nonlinear behavior shifts are in fact not predictable with the reduced order models available. And some are outright caused by theory obsessives trying to play stupid games.

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      1. Based on the repeating science coverage story with the topline of “Major study based on fictitious data retracted”, I’d say the major confounding factor in behavioral science is researchers making $#!+ up.

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          1. Emotional validation.

            They feel better knowing that their monkeysphere is doing the drum circle for tinkerbell, and or they don’t want to be the first to stop clapping for tinkerstalin.

            There’s the questions of methodology.

            Then there is the plagiarism, the fraud, the apparent drug use, and the corrupting effect of having science as religion being the motivation for some to practice ‘science’.

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      2. “No, some nonlinear behavior shifts are in fact not predictable with the reduced order models available. And some are outright caused by theory obsessives trying to play stupid games.”

        Leftists failed to predict 6 1/6 million Bulgarians showing up in front of their parliament for a week, and their government essentially giving up and walking away.

        We, on the other hand, have been predicting exactly that for a decade at least. And it’ll be happening in #Canaduh too, sooner or later. Just let them stay on this course and -something- will trigger an avalanche. Maybe one voice shouting a little too loud, or one little event that makes the whole thing let go at once. The only question is when, not if.

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  9. “THE INDIVIDUALISTS LARGELY FAIL TO ORGANIZE.”

    That is both our strength and our weakness. But mostly strength.

    Excellent, Sarah.

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  10. We do have a secret handshake. It’s that moment at a party when some lefty numbskull makes a ridiculous statement, and the conservatives look at each other and roll our eyes. Followed by mutual repressing of giggles.

    There’s the careful feeling out of one’s feeling on signal issues, such as, oh, governmental energy supply choices. Both sides ready to beat a hasty retreat if the other states a belief in perpetual motion machines, or money growing on trees, or all people are good, or… Or all the other sorts of modern wishful thinking that infects people who don’t want to think.

    Maybe we have a secret codeword: “Do you believe TANSTAAFL?”

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    1. >TANSTAAFL

      —-

      Sometimes I wish there was a “like” button to hit a few dozen times.

      For people whose entire worldview revolves around various varieties of “free lunch”, TANSTAAFL would be an alien concept.

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          1. I ran across somebody who would have liked that as a bumper sticker. Saw a parked Ford F-350 with stickers: Vietnam Campaign, State of Jefferson (logo: the double-cross), plus a prominent EARTH FIRST! sticker.

            The cognitive dissonance was deafening, until I walked close enough to see the subtitle: “We’ll mine other planets later.” (Also a tagline for the mining supply company that did the sticker.) The guy came to his truck at that time and I congratulated him on his sense of humor.

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            1. I’ve seen the “Earth First!” Logo + large print. “- We’ll mine the other planets later! -” underneath in really tiny print. Tempted to try and find one, but we don’t put stickers on our cars, anywhere. Maybe a magnet for the refrigerator or freezer. Or a sign to put near the front door, words unreadable from the street. Already have a sign near the front door that has “No Solicitors. We like our religion. Have a working vacuum. Kid is selling what your kid is selling. We don’t need what you are selling. Except Girl Scout Cookies. We need Girl Scout Cookies.” Neighbor made it.

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          4. OK, longer comment stuck in WP moderation: Seen on a Ford F-350 (along with a Vietnam vet sticker, and one for the State of Jefferson–logo being the double cross. There’s History.)

            I’ll see if I can get by the likely bad word. Ee. Aaa. Rrr. Tee. Haitch. 1st! in big letters. In much smaller letters: (We’ll mine the other planets later.)

            Gave me a laugh. The owner of said truck was proud of his joke. Sticker offered by an outfit that supplies the relevant equipment.

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  11. The left loves to project their own fantasies onto others. Since they love to imagine that they are somehow the “brave resistance” and resistance fighters must have secrets then obviously those right wing types must all be using secret code words!! The right wingers must also be plotting how to do to them what they want to do to righties! Great post Sarah!

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    1. Or your a kid listening to your parents before Christmas.

      I’m not paranoid. That’s the mistaken belief that people are out to get you. I KNOW the machines are out to get me.

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      1. The question is not, “Am I paranoid?” The correct question is, “Am I paranoid enough?”

        I used to worry that I might be paranoid.
        I thought people were out to get me.
        Now I know the truth — they are out to get me!
        I feel so much better. 😄

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  13. Yes, there is a sort of careful feeling out among conservatives in a possibly hostile crowd – honestly, I wish it was as simple as a secret Masonic-style handshake.

    In any case, I think the SPLC has gone completely around the bend, and soon they will begin babbling about lizard people, and a hollow earth with centaurs coming up from volcanos, or something, and meanwhile the rest of us are backing away slowly, and wondering where the nice men with the white coats and butterfly nets are…

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      1. akshully

        I am a little interested in some of the math related to designing fantasy worlds that are basically an arbitrary curved surface.

        A completely flat section of a shell is sort of a degenerate case, one which I find a bit boring. The normal unit vector is basically the same for all parts of that surface section.

        Though, that is maybe distinct from being an earth model.

        Fun for now troll statement: What if there is no Earth, what if it is simply a point cloud?

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      1. Red hanky hanging from right back pocket: I just slit the throat of some lefty.

        White hanky: I have not yet reached my daily quota.

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  17. You know what could have clued Cassie Miller in that she was being stupid, if she’d taken just a single moment of her time to actually think? The term “ethnonationalist”. She is literally asserting that the “far right” (in her own terms) use the term “ethnonationalist” while at the same time being, as per the implications of the name of her organization, Southern and poor. I ask her: has she ever actually talked to anyone poor from the South? They do not talk like that.

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    1. There should be academic theory obsessives who are not bad people.

      We can even speculate that it is only some theory obsessives who form lasting bad sorts of cracks while in academia.

      Southern poverty law center is basically only called that for historical reasons, it was a political scam organization from the beginning by some reports.

      But, fundamentally, we are talking about people invested in behavior models which are not predictive, and where they have trained themselves not to look for problems.

      One the one hand she thinks the self-hypnotic training cosmetically establishes she is not a bad person. On the other, she ‘knows’ that deviants from the Party are facist. On the gripping hand, her model of ethnonationalists is fundamentally in error.

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      1. “There should be academic theory obsessives who are not bad people.”

        This is an assumption based on extrapolation, sir. I shall have to see an example before granting your point. Good luck finding one. ~:D

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  18. “Control the language, control the thoughts.

    American is the language of freedom and chaos-riding, thus the Left must destroy it.”

    — 11B-Mailclerk at accordingtohoyt.com, January 31, 2023

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  19. “Words have power to shape our understanding of reality, but they don’t have the power to actually shape reality. That is why eventually they fail.”

    — BigFella, August 23, 2017 at accordingtohoyt.com

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    1. A thought on that last one: in some fields, truth matters less than perception in terms of the ultimate outcome. For example, in politics, if you accuse the other candidate of some specific kind of bad behavior, the desired outcome is to get people to vote for you instead of the alleged crook, and for that purpose, what ultimately matters is to get people to believe the accusation. If you’re a person of integrity, therefore, you’re slightly handicapped by the need to have your accusations be true, whereas liars will throw anything at their opponent if they think they can make enough people believe the accusation.

      I bring this up because the people who work in politics, or other fields where outcomes depend less on truth than whether people believe something, can easily slip into believing that words can shape reality. Because in their field, words do shape reality to a large extent: making people believe you is what drives votes, which ultimately decides who is making the laws — with very real consequences.

      But they forget that their field is not the entirety of the world. Outside their field, bridges do not care about your opinion. Gravity is not shaped by words, nor is the structural stability of steel. Outside the limited fields where words and perception are everything (politics, academia, etc), there is objective, uncaring reality, and you either have to conform to reality or get run over.

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  20. There was/ is a (semi)secret organization of right wing Hollywood actors. Friends of Abe. I could even see that being shortened into Fren.

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  21. My theory is that they need to be witch-hunting at all times, and frankly, they’re all out of witches. They’ve already driven everyone to the right of Lenin, and most of those to the right of Stalin, out of their circles. So what do they do now? Well, going after AI (both those things actually done with AI and those they imagine were done with AI because the author used a dash) has provided some level of distraction, but it was inevitable that they would need some other monster to chase. And while I wouldn’t have guessed “people who use the term ‘fren,'” it’s probably as good as anything else from their PoV.

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    1. “My theory is that they need to be witch-hunting at all times, and frankly, they’re all out of witches.”

      I agree, and the evidence is all around us. I do grant that labling lolcat as “fascist” is a fairly extreme example of the principle. ~:D

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  22. And Girl Fren after seeing your purple hair and hairy obese body, please for the sake of the children if you are going to touch yourself do so behind closed doors. My eyes please pour in more bleach….

    This message was brought to you by the Letter Y, Y u be so stoopid Cassie girl…

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      1. The universe is sane and rational. It’s the Leftroids that aren’t. Which is why they have such a hard time dealing with the real world.
        ———————————
        When reality fails to conform to your theories, it’s not the universe that’s wrong.

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    2. Aside: I can’t remember if I linked this before, but for anyone who is of the opinion that William Shatner can’t act, see his Mark Antony speech at around 1:06 in this from YT:

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        1. Nobody’s agent is perfect.

          IIRC Shatner’s first divorce was in 1969, roughly around the time this movie would have been in production, and he’s said he didn’t get paid very much for Star Trek, such that when his wife got the house he ended up living in a camper. This might have been a “need money to keep eating” thing as his marriage was failing, work taken in the time before the final third season when Trek was cancelled and then uncanceled by the network.

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  26. When one presents the dear little collectivists with the idea that there are/is no social contract, there is simply agreement between two individuals as to how they interact, their brains reboot, and keep rebooting. “Does not compute!” I love doing it! But I’m a notorious bad guy anyway. I’ve spent entirely too much time working on LEAP projects. LEAP? Low Energy Atomic Phenomena (aka) semi-cold fusion.

    Sarah, just keep tweaking the noses, you do it so delightfully!

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  28. Our Hostess said

    I love the LOL Cat language with an unclean love. My kids had to tell me to stop using kthanxbye because it was dating myself (and that’s illegal in 49 states and iffy in Florida.)

    Actually dating oneself is likely legal in Massachusetts and California. Although if the PDA (Public displays of affection) get too racy, you may end up in trouble, except in San Francisco where darn near anything seems to go…

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