Eighties Democrats

Posted on by Sarah A. Hoyt

Can we put to bed this idea that Trump is an eighties democrat? You see, I remember the eighties. I have a memory. I have writings.

I keep hearing it over and over again from our side. “Well, he’s an eighties democrat. It’s just the democrats have moved so far left that–“

I’m not going to dispute that in the eighties he was a democrat. Or that the democrats have moved further left since then. Though that later is perhaps not exactly true.

(It’s more “they were always this far left, but recently through lack of concern or ability to hide it, they started showing their true colors.” And it’s complicated by the fact that they started harping on things like sexual minorities and transexuality which were never a concern of theirs before and which, honestly, seem to be more of a stalking horse than anything else, considering how hard-left societies treat those.)

But when Trump was a democrat, he was what I call a default, no thought democrat. He was a democrat because democrats were “the good people” as pushed by the culture, and anyway that was the only way to get anything done in the circles he moved in.

However I doubt very much he was an eighties democrat politician.

For those of you who weren’t alive then, the democrat politicians were always trying to push something that would absolutely destroy the US in some way. Even if “only” surrender to the USSR so that the USSR wouldn’t “destroy” us. (Which they never could do, unless we surrendered.) But there were other things that will sound startlingly familiar to you, from unionizing all the things, to creating universal basic income, to giving everyone “universal” health care, and other things that depend on the labor of others.

If you want to see what eighties democrat politicians, look at what happened in Europe: the continuous reduction of individual liberty, the disarmament of citizens, the making everyone a pensioner of the state. That’s what democrats in the eighties were pushing.

Does Trump have some rocks in the head? Likely. There are things he doesn’t seem to have thought through from his early ideas.

More importantly I look at his cabinet appointments and I see a lot of horse trading going on. He still has to get it through college.

But you know what? There are some very good appointments and we have a chance.

Just a chance. It’s all we wanted, right?

And he’s not an eighties democrat. Even back then most of them didn’t love the country, didn’t love anything but their own profit and power.

Trump, for all his faults, loves this country. And he’s going to try to get us out of the straits we’re in.

Sure, it might not be possible. And sure, he’ll do some really stupid things by our lights. But our lights are also not perfect and–

Again, we have a chance. Hope and pray it is enough.

93 thoughts on “Eighties Democrats”

  1. Col Schlicter has an excellent column today explaining in more detail what’s going on:

    https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2024/11/27/stop-dooming-and-just-be-thankful-trump-won-n2648212

    But Donald Trump didn’t win the election building a conservative coalition. He built a coalition that averaged out to the center of American politics 20 years ago before the left went completely insane.

    That means we conservatives are not the coalition but simply a part of the coalition. And that means we’re not always going to get what we want. Oh, I don’t like it. I don’t like it much at all, except for the fact that it allowed us to beat Harris and her coterie of communist cadres. I like that a lot. I’m very thankful for it.

    But we must realize where we are at. We are now competing as one of many factions within the Trump coalition.

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    3. This is the counterpoint to the article, because it nicely mirrors the Democratic Party of the ‘80s.
      The Democratic Party was decentralized until Bill Clinton broke the state parties and forced central control. There were radical leftists as part of the Democrats coalition, but they were only part of the coalition. And being regionally locked in areas the Democrats were going to consistently win anyway, they frequently got little more than lip service.

      But once the power was centralized in the mid-‘90s, the barriers to the hard Left running the show were quickly co-opted by apparatchiks. Now, for example, superdelegates are no longer a protection to make sure the likes of McGovern never get the nomination again, but a mechanism to ensure that they would. (As Obama, Hillary, Biden, and Harris, not to mention Kerry and Gore all demonstrate.)

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  2. untill ALL the corruption and players in said corruption in DC are exposed and prosecuted i have ZERO confidence ANYTHING will change for the better

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    1. sure. Now put your shoulder to doing something. Because most of all we have to clean the vote. Look at Steve Nelson. He’s been as black pilled as a human being can be at times, and I’ve smacked him for it on occasion, but he’s BEEN WORKING TO CLEAN UP THE VOTE. So he gets major props from me.
      Now go do something besides curling up in the fetal position and screaming. Ian is correct. Things are getting better. BUT they’re getting better because people refused to give up, not because they because fashionably disillusioned.

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        1. Correct; it’s only the Leftists and their fellow travelers who constantly push “UTOPIA!” and “pie in the sky by and by”. Adults know better, or should.

          Tree of liberty; blood of (would-be) tyrants, and patriots.

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    3. The only way that happens is the Second Coming.

      Until then, we just have to muddle through.

      “But you and all the kind of Christ
      Are ignorant and brave,
      And you have wars you hardly win
      And souls you hardly save.

      “I tell you naught for your comfort,
      Yea, naught for your desire,
      Save that the sky grows darker yet
      And the sea rises higher.

      “Night shall be thrice night over you,
      And heaven an iron cope.
      Do you have joy without a cause,
      Yea, faith without a hope?”

      “The Ballad of the White Horse” G. K. Chesterton

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      1. They’ve been advertising that for more than 1,000 years and we ain’t seen it yet. When can we expect it? Tomorrow? Next year? In another 1,000 years? Or, maybe, never?

        We can’t sit around waiting for Big Daddy to magically make everything all better ‘Someday’. We have to work on our own problems like it’s all up to us, just in case it IS.

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        1. “work on our own problems like it’s all up to us”

          Appalachian western part of multiple states and Heleene. Residents were out in boats, kayaks, canoes, paddle boards, heck even storage containers, rescuing themselves, their neighbors, and animals. Volunteers, even those with their own helicopters, formed their own rescue groups and were on the ground for rescues and with supplies, long before anyone from the government, including the military, were on the ground. Not blaming the military. There were those who took leave and were among the first responders, those who couldn’t had to wait for deployment orders. FEMA took weeks to show up. Funny how it is touted that FEMA was pre staged throughout Florida in anticipation of Heleene and the following hurricane.

          Not saying FEMA nor the military haven’t been doing what needs to be done even with the stories coming out about FEMA (being late has it own consequences). But the story is no one waited for help. They helped themselves, they helped their neighbors, they coordinated with non-government based organizations, like it was all up to them.

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  3. I’ve seen worse coalitions that worked. No, not some of the more recent governments in Europe, but it can work if all parties agree on some basic values and goals.

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  4. Sarah, oh, now I remember you’re a foreigner. Not since the 1820’s at the latest during The Era of Good Feeling maybe have Democrats been good people. Most of the time Democrats are various types of Evil.

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      1. The “Educated Block” – at least those in the soft tracks – are more likely to be actively supporting the evil that lives in the Hearts of Democrats and Progressives!

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    4. I’m completely puzzled as to why you’re saying that, beyond calling me names.
      DUDE, that’s what I’m saying. I object to people saying Trump was an eighties democrat, because I WAS HERE IN THE EIGHTIES. They weren’t good people.

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    6. I think you were trying to make a point and not a jab, but….

      Sarah’s an American Born Elsewhere. An acquaintance’s Vietnamese wife, who made it out in a leaky little boat and Does Not Talk About That, is one as well, as are several prior coworkers from China, Taiwan and India. If they buy in and acculturate, they, like Sarah, are Americans.

      If they are here to build their pile and go home to live like royalty, like so many here in Silicon Valley, they are not, though hopefully they and their kids get infected with Americanisms and spread them back “home”. And I have no problem with these mercenary souls. But they make no effort, and do not become Americans even if they nail down dual citizenship before they go home.

      But the ones, like Sarah, who put in the hard work and adopt-in to American culture and ideals are just another wave of Americans Born Elsewhere. Welcome Home.

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    7. You know, flipping around the screaming nonsense about half the country being actually evil so it inverts the parties involved doesn’t make it true.

      The philosophy has serious issues, but by and large no, a large chunk of our nation has not been evil.

      Nor are a large number of folks that I know, right now, evil, for having a D by their name.

      When folks get over-free with the declaration of “evil,” it’s time to start eyeballing them. Because “they’re evil” tends to be preparation for individuals doing actually evil actions.

      Seriously, take a few seconds and test it out.

      RONALD REAGAN WAS EVIL!

      TRUMP WAS EVIL!

      MOST IMMIGRANTS IN THE LAST CENTURY WERE EVIL!

      …seriously?

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      1. Heck most illegal border crosser are not evil. Seriously? Those infants and toddlers are evil? Please. No one here, or anywhere, is advocating that. Not even most the teens and adults. Trafficked. Exploited. Both yes. But not evil. There is evil crossing with the trafficked and exploited, but not the majority. Doesn’t mean that if you come across the border illegally you don’t get shipped back. But doesn’t make you evil.

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        1. Exactly.

          EVIL has very, very strong meanings. And very, very strong required responses.

          It’s not the only word for “folks who we oppose.”

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  5. Eight years ago when he had that first rally here in Alabama, I took one look at who showed up and realized immediately what was happening: the “Reagan Democrats” had begun to awaken.

    And here we are.

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  6. I wouldn’t say President Donald J. Trump is much like a typical Eighties Dem, but you used to find a greater diversity of positions among elected Dems. There was less uniformity. You would even see some of them support deregulation efforts, or oppose things like federal funding of abortion.

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    1. Yeah. For example, the classic “Scoop Jackson Democrats” that were socially fairly liberal, but mega-hawks on defense. Nowadays they’d be Republican neocons.

      Or, hey, when many Democrats actually fought for free speech and civil liberties. Maybe not the party power brokers, but believe it or not, within living memory of probably most of us here, the ACLU was actually about civil liberties and not merely fighting to suppress “hate speech.” I can’t imagine today’s ACLU fighting for the right of American Nazis to march in Skokie the way the ACLU back in the day did.

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      1. Somehow I can see the ACLU fighting for the right of Hamassholes to march in Skokie. National Socialists vs International Socialists. Meh, same objective there.

        It’s amazing how the free speech movement mutated into the cancel culture once they got their free speech. (For me, not for thee…)

        1. For them, Free Speech is an instrument or tool, not a right or principle. They don’t understand what rights and principles are. Their “rights” change with the winds; their principles are power for themselves and the fad-shons they use to distinguish their tribe from the vulgar barbarian rabble.

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        2. Meseems the ACLU never fought for “Civil Liberties” unless their winning the case would–at least a little bit–undermine traditional American culture.

          ISTR that they refused a case in which a public school teacher got in hot water for wearing a crucifix in class, but did take one backing another teacher’s right to wear her hijab.

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  7. I mark the beginning of the current madness as 1972. I believe that’s when the leftmost wing of the party took over and “reformed,” their internal rules to help them keep power.

    I remember the mock convention I was a delegate for in 1972, where a plurality of students had voted for George Wallace, but the official nominee was….John Lindsay. And it was fairly obvious, just from all the Lindsay paraphernalia and the marching around the civic center that Lindsay’s people had spent good money on “winning,” a city high school mock convention so they could claim to be the party of the Youth of America.

    This is why I became a Republican.

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      1. The Reader notes that there was enough sense in the Democratic Party to throw Henry Wallace off of the ticket in 1944. Thereby ensuring we didn’t get our first proto communist president until 2008. The Reader’s view is that the leftists didn’t start to get serious control of the Democratic party until 1972 and it became entrenched in the Clinton administration. Bill was an amoral opportunist and let Hillary appoint all her leftist cronies into the executive branch in exchange for looking the other way at Bill’s Oval Office activities.

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        1. Agree. Truman was many things, but he was not a commie, notwithstanding some of the abuses of federal power (and in fairness there was an actual war going on at times between the end of WW2 and then the Korean War.

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        2. FDR was a huge step towards today’s Democratic party including the whole pack the Supreme Court gambit. His adminstration, (riddled with Communnists), helped arm the Soviets and gave them the Bomb plus much of the tooling to make it.

          The Clinton’s helped build and arm the Chinese. They gained power with the help of the mob and the CIA.

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      2. I think this is a “both” situation, basically because 80’s Dems, with the top-level controls RAH (pbuh) noted, were still at that point more able to tolerate various topical disagreements on various points. Not now: If a Dem varies on any point across the Received True Faith list of the Dem party, they are hounded out. 5hats why the D side votes as a block on almost everything – they don’t have a “big tent”, they have a “big penitentiary” where ideological conformity is ruthlessly enforced, and the only variations allowed are leftward.

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  8. The 80’s Democrats treated Reagan the same way today’s Democrats treat Trump. They just didn’t dare be so blatant about it. I’m sure in their dark twisted little hearts they wanted to impeach and persecute Reagan.

    Trump Derangement triggered them to rip the masks off, that’s all.

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    1. In many ways, the Bork mess was probably the start of the masks coming off. It was such a a dramatic change from the way things had been that “bork” even entered the slang as a verb.

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    2. It’s actually fairly amusing to compare the panicked Dem 1980s “Reagan’s going to get us into war with the Russians!” with todays matter-of-fact observation “Oh, look, Joe’s doing everything he can to get us in a war with the Russians!.”

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  9. I like the fact that Trump is putting these people where they can do the most good and the least damage. Keep RFK out of environmental, keep Elon out of government except peripherally, with a strict term limit. Each is put over something they have a personal stake in reforming, but kept far away from their hobby horses, where they might be tempted to keep the existing system.

    Not sure yet about putting RFK in Health, though. His cures might be worse than the disease.

    I sincerely hope this all works.

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    1. Appointing Dr. Jay Bhattacharya to head NIH is glorious. “I see your Cancel Culture and raise you a You’re Fired.”

      Selecting people who’ve been attacked by various agencies to head them is so, so fitting.

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  11. America doesn’t have European-style political parties. Most Americans, even those who pay attention to politics, aren’t motivated by ideology. There isn’t a core set of principles every Democrat must adhere to. When parties try to enforce such rules, things go haywire. In Europe, parties can throw people out of the party. Not so in the States. You are a Democrat if you say you are.

    Living in a “one party state,” I’d say there are many Democrats who would be Republicans, if that option were available. Notably, Deval Patrick didn’t manage to get his budget passed, although the Democrats held the legislature. In 2024, of the 200 seats in the legislature, Republicans hold 28. When the parties are that unbalanced, voters tend to vote for the dominant party, because it’s certain the minority party will not have any power in state government.

    I’d say that it would be highly unusual for a large property developer or landlord to be openly Republican in New York City at the end of the 20th century, given the strong Democratic control of the New York City Council and the mayor’s office. (Bloomberg was only a Republican for convenience.) Too many essential decisions are made by city officials.

    In both states, though, I’d say the Democratic party of the 80s was the party of the unions and the Catholics. Yes, in Cambridge (MA) there were gullible leftists who would take trips to the USSR, but most working class Democrats were not communists.

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    2. “highly unusual for a large property developer or landlord to be openly Republican in New York City”

      Unusual? Impossible.

      The only reason why President Trump can now is he, and his family, have essentially pulled the working resources out of New York that require permits, etc., so that it doesn’t matter anymore. What is left is already built can’t be stopped, and while certain real estate has his name on it, he doesn’t own it. People are paying to use his name on the building. PTB, in particular anything related building permits, have nothing to stop.

      Does he believe in everything that most of us do? I doubt it. We can agree he loves the United States what it stands for, what it is going to have to be to withstand the rest of the world, Russia, China, and middle east. Who the US must protect outside our borders, Israel (some other countries who should be going “Oh. Shit.” Because pretty sure he could almost care less about greater Europe, Africa, or Asia, in general. Almost.) Who he must bring into compliance for the safety of the US, Canada and Mexico.

      It isn’t that President Trump is an isolationist. I don’t think he is anyway. But he is for the United States first. Then the US can assist the rest of the world that show they want help. With a firm belief that help starts at home. Firmly believe that should we be struck again, 9/11 style the response won’t be search/destroy and stay. It’ll be search/destroy, leave, and “Do not make us come back! You don’t want us here. We don’t want to be here.” (Personally I think pick an empty dessert. Glass a small portion of it. Accompanying message is “Next is Mecca. Behave.”)

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      1. The point that the U.S. will going forward do everything necessary to make self-policing clearly the less costly and painful option might actually receive a more accommodating reception in the Middle East given the new guy running The House of Saud. If we also lay off any complaining about, or even paying any attention to, specifically how they might do that self policing, so much the better.

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  13. Somewhere during the past, the pragmatic demand of government was pushed to the side so the theoretical dreams of the two parties could fight over power. Pigeon-holing, and outright slandering, hid the fact no nation can survive if the money derived from taxes is spent foolishly. Eighties Democrats, as well as eighties Republicans, were arguing about how to bring back economic prosperity due to the foolishness of the Vietnam War, and the bumbling efforts of Jimmy Carter. Neither had any good decision, since both parties were fighting over borrowed money, instead of becoming fiscally responsible.

    Unless I have the opportunity to actually speak with Trump, decide what he’s really trying to accomplish, and understand his methods, there’s no way I’d want to describe him as the same as the feckless politicians of the eighties. That’s an insult, and I think he deserves better.

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  14. DC will not get cleaned up in 2 years, 4 years or a decade. It’s a long process. I just want Trump to show in uncertain terms that the government can be shrunk, that departments can be shut down, and that it helps. Once it starts then the gears will slowly grind to change hopefully.

    To the Stars we need to go!

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    2. Between those fleeing on their own, deregulation, and actual RIF’s of departments and individuals, I hope so. Problem with pruning within departments is with governments it is too often “last in, first out”, which may not be what is needed.

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        1. Still applies. People in those positions will displace those in other positions, too often whether they are *qualified or not. Step down, or not.

          No X% cut across the board. Or elimination of sections, if not entire budget line departments. That will make things easier.

          (*) “I am above that employee’s position. I supervise them. I can do the job.” — Unless they came from that position, too often no, no they can’t. I can think of jobs that are that way, or were, 50 years ago. Now? Who knows.

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        2. They need to eliminate whole departments and agencies. Anything that hasn’t made significant, demonstrable progress toward its official goal in the last 4 years. Starting with Jimmeh’s Department Of Education, which has spent all of its 46 years making reverse progress. Public education is in worse shape now than it was in 1977.

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          1. There are apparently a lot of retirements planned…

            To your point, there are entire agencies that were given a time limit but have continued to be funded after their congressional limit expired. There are agencies with a single make-work employee which continue to be fully funded. I have no doubt that there are fully empty agencies, and those whose only job is spying on our own government.

            The low hanging fruit will cut the bloat significantly. Let the fruit that’s in the center of the tree think it’s safe, waiting the arrival of the mechanical harvester…

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    3. If he manages to pare it back during his term, I will be happy. Remember that even Reagan only managed to close three agencies before Congress dug in it’s heels.

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  15. As you say, we will never completely eliminate corruption.  But what the US has seen over the past couple decades is not corruption but an attempted takeover of all our institutions by the corrupt.  Ordinary corruption is unavoidable; people will always use their connections and positions to feather their own nest and the nests of their kin.  That is not world ending.  The powerful skim some of the cream but don’t take the cattle or the farm, and it ends up just being another tax we have to endure and we grumble and occasionally catch one and punish them, which keeps the other’s greed within acceptable limits. If Trump can knock the corruption back down to that level I will be ecstatic.  He’s already paused their attempt to seize the whole farm twice, and for that alone he deserves great thanks.

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    1. Yes. I know that. and we’re fighting back. But what the commenter suggested is that we needed to erase all corruption.
      Oh, and it’s not the last couple of decades. Covertly it’s a hundred years at least. The masks are just down now.

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  16. I’ll disagree/take a third route, a bit– he’s a “holds positions roughly in line with those who would have been identified as moderate democrats in the early 80s.”

    He isn’t philosophically there, as you point out, and DEFINITELY not tactically there.

    Which is kinda the same, but shades of meaning.

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  17. Trump was a Democrat in the 1980s because to be a developer who wanted to get approvals for anything in NYC, you had to be a member of the Democratic Party in good standing; much like the Democratic Party’s favored Soviet Union required people who did business to be members of the Communist Party in good standing.

    What I remember of 1980s Democrats was their sitting outside college student centers supporting the global Marxist dictatorships, such as the ones in Nicaragua and Cuba especially, while claiming that there would be global peace if only the USA disarmed and joined the communists. This attitude was reflected by many of the elected Democrats, even if they were much more circumspect about it back then.

    I am also enough to remember when Ted Kennedy went to the Soviet Union before the 1980 election in order to try to get them to interfere to help Carter get re-elected, and that he offered them explicit quid pro quos on behalf of Democratic Party leadership.

    Aside from having taken their masks off, the only real difference between 1980s Democrats and now is that 1) they were not quite as good as enforcing conformity so there were still some outlying Democrats that resisted going full commie and 2) their brand of Marxism was the traditional class warfare based Marxism (like Bernie Sanders was until he ran for POTUS and realized to get the nomination he had to go Critical Race Theory “woke”) and the racial/identity group CRT “woke” Marxism that was being developed in the 1980s and absorbed the more traditional Marxism when the Soviet Union and the Iron Curtain fell and demonstrably proved that the class-warfare Marxist model was wrong.

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    1. I expect all the rioting, etc., that they did in Trump’s first term to be ramped even more

      I’d be amazed. I think the Normies have realized that they aren’t the outlier minority that the Media told them they were. They’re Mad As Hell And They’re Not Gonna Take It Anymore.

      Any 2020-style Rent-A-Mob riots–assuming the Democratic Partei can even scrape one together–will be met by “ethnically-diverse” Rooftop Koreans™.

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  19. The CLINTONS are eighties democrats. I jolly well remember. And I mean that in all of it’s perjorativeness.

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    1. Democrat politicians, yep.

      But a lot of folks have good feels about them… because they weren’t hurting them, or if they were, the target didn’t realize that’s where the harm was from.

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  20. Eighties? Lighweight. The Democrat party — not DemocraIC at all — The party, in it’s foundation is anti-constitutional. The founders specifically and absolutely abjured democracy as unfit for a free people. Therfor anyone identifying as a Democrat or espousing democratic policies or principles is acting in bad faith. They’ve ALWAYS been myrmidons of evil. It didn’t start in the eighties — or the sixties or the thirties or 1917, 1933, or any other dates relevant to the march of collectivism toward world domination. Witness the famous quote from Ben Franklin who, when approached while leaving a session and asked, “Mr.Franklin, what manner of a government have you given us?” replied, “A republic, if you can keep it.” Our task is now to grab hold and hang on for dear life.

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      1. It happens.

        I was so used to growing up that the two families blended together that when we got married the whole holiday switching took me by surprised. His family isn’t that big, they could have just blended into mine. Shock. Absolute shock they weren’t accommodating.

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        1. There are other reasons too.

          Retail jobs preclude traveling.

          Locations can stop traveling.

          Heck we had times when roads stop traveling. Sometimes it was the pass road and snow, sometimes it was trees blocking getting to the passes, sometimes it was ice getting out of the valley (passes and trees were fine)..

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          1. This year it’s money and time preclude traveling. We’d be okay if they were going to DIL’s family. We’re hoping we can help them do so for Christmas, because it’s been too long. But– I already miss them.

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            1. My sister and BIL, because 2 of the SIL’s are in retail, like BIL was, have their family gathering for Christmas the weekend before. That allows the “kids” to stay home on Christmas or spend Christmas day dinner with the closer inlaws. Then they do whatever. This year it is dinner with us, and then leave on another trip on Dec 26. They aren’t here for Thanksgiving, because they left Nov. 11, for a south island cruise that ends in Australia, coming home Friday, Nov. 29. Sister and BIL caught the traveling bug. I think they are nuts. But …

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      2. It will just be the three of us (four counting the dog). Our son is down at the Huddle House, running breakfast; he won’t take over until next year, so he’s enduring the slings and arrows of current management, or lack of same. (Mostly lack of same).

        Meanwhile, my beloved has had a cheap turkey (49 cents a pound, frozen. Whoo-hoo!) soaking its thawed out self in rub and cheap Italian dressing. Soon it goes into the smoker and the experiment begins.

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        1. Heck. I’m glad to not do a full turkey. Picked up a turkey breast of about 5#’s, came with gravy. Pre seasoned. Went in frozen (per instructions). That plus ham, veggie tray (mom & I probably will be the only ones to have any), homemade rolls (with Hawaiian backup, wasn’t sure yeast was any good), twice baked potatoes, dressing, and cranberries. Desert is 1/2 cherry pie (son and I won’t have any), no bake cookies, tin of sugar cookies, and vanilla ice cream. For 5 of us. Not planning on a lot of leftovers. Which is fine, because anything not gone tonight (either sent with mom or BIL, or eaten) will just get tossed tomorrow.

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  22. Staying home. Small gathering. Just 5 of us at dinner. Huge change from extended family gatherings for the last 30+ years (20 – 25 people), let alone the gatherings growing up (60+, two sets of grandparents, great-uncles and aunts, married children & spouses, grand-children, and given range a few grand-children spouses and great grand children, and that wasn’t everyone) people between two extended families.

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

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  23. This is why I distinguish between the Democratic and the E!Democratic Parties respectively.

    Most people who say they’re Democrats believe in what the E!Democratic party claims they’re for. At least since the late ’50s/early ’60s, that hasn’t been what the E!Democratic Party has been, and you could make a case for the end of the 19th Century.

    The E!Democratic Party has been, more or less, the part of the American aristocrats. They were the party that more-or-less ran the South prior to the Civil War and often in many places there after that. And like most aristocracies, they are highly inbred, conservative on anything that would actually affect their power, and often are prone to quiet rounds of “disagreements” where the bodies are buried in anonymous graves.

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    1. Well, *somebody* doesn’t like Harris. As one Twitter pundit person put it, if her staff didn’t hate her that recent post-election video would never have seen the light of day.

      Ironically, part of her message was good (“Don’t ver let them take your power away.”)

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      1. That video release was a direct response by the Party to the “Kammy’s gonna run again in ‘28!” trial balloon launch.

        The Party elite do at least realize that she in fact lost the election. What they will be doing now is culling what little “bench” Barry left them to yield a better candidate set, including no Kamalas, and more importantly no JFKs or Bernies, all younger and fully photogenic without weird laughs, so a set of non-repulsive fully controllable candidates.

        I’m watching for them to try and recruit from Hollywood, as an empty headed photogenic slightly washed up actor or actress, who could therefore say the lines and refrain from cackling, would be ideal.

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        2. What? The “Hollywood, as an empty headed photogenic slightly washed up actor or actress” aren’t following Ellen? FWIW at least those on the View have self eliminated. All of them, and most their guests, are worse than Harris.

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      2. A lot of her staff hates Harris. Guessing that is one aspect the GOP and President Trump are holding back on. At this point, why not *encourage* Harris for 2028, election Vance’s to lose. Not that I think Harris could legitimately win the rat primary anymore than Hilary or Biden did.

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