Fine International Cuisine

Posted on by Sarah A. Hoyt

This is late as heck, because this morning Fun With Doctors joined Fun With Bureaucracy. I’ve been home all of an hour, and had to deal with all the stuff I should have done this morning… including feeding VERY STARING kittehs.

But one very brief foray into twitter this morning brought me across a guy screaming (and I’m doing this from memory and for comedy, so wording is not only not exact but exaggerated): “Damn you you maniacs and your immigrants eating pets memes! You caused Trump to repeat it and sound like an idiot. Damn you all to hell.”

Which caused me to chortle and move on. What is considered “sounding like an idiot” by the “elites”, is often just sensible talk. Take this mention from an article in powerline:

Reagan said “fascism was the basis of the New Deal,” and refused to back down while the media hounded him about it.

As he very well shouldn’t, because, other than hating the Germans, it is in hindsight patently obvious that FDR was a fascist.

So shocking and appalling the media, college graduates and leftists (BIRM) is no reason to think anyone committed a gaffe that will be judged as stupid by the rest of the country.

But more importantly, because we have every reason, in fact, to believe that Haitians are eating pets. There’s this video linked in yesterday’s comments. Which is being blocked because “fact checkers” say is wrong, but we all know that dance, no.

And there’s this about geese. And I’m given to understand there’s a ton others. These are just the ones I stumbled onto without looking much, because well, have been playing bureaucracy and doctors all morning. (New from Hasbro, the hot new game for sixty year olds.)

In fact, there this going on, which of course has nothing to do with the poor town getting hammered with feral* illegals.

Do I know Hatians are eating pets? Well, no. But I know this dance quite well. Other people know it too. There’s already a meme:

The truth is that the left howls racist or white supremacist because — as usual — they confuse race with culture. Frankly, if we’d got Ukrainians in the middle of Holodomor in the same circumstances these Haitians were dumped in Ohio, they would likely do the exact same thing — and most Ukrainians are far paler than I.

Race means nothing. Culture means everything. And Hatian culture is horrible, coming from horrible circumstances and a horrible history. In fact, things have been bad for so long in Ohio that even attempts at turning it around are impossible. And would probably fail. The island has been a wreck and a charity case so long that there is no memory of a productive existence, anymore. (No, it’s not race. The Dominican Republic has the same racial composition and is not the same mess.)

Haitians are as close, at this point, to feral humans, as it’s possible to get. Worse, they’re referalized humans. Humans once civilized who have been forced by extreme circumstances, to shed their civilization. Which is much worse than being “just” savage or feral.

Now, they could be salvaged, and if there’s a place they might have hope, it’s the US. But the way to do that is NOT to bring them in through wide open borders, with no background check, and dump them on a small Ohio town that you deem should be punished because– I don’t know — they voted for your opponent or something.

The way to salvage these poor, traumatized human beings would be to bring them in with extensive therapy and acculturation lessons. And then separate them in family units, throughout the country, so the old culture has no hold.

Now whether that kind of extensive charity on a national level is in our best interests is a good question, and as a libertarian and a nationalist, I’d say no. OTOH if charity organizations, not the government wanted to spend the massive amount of money to do this, it probably should be allowed, even if the first generation would never be even halfway acculturated. (But their kids would be okay-ish, and their grandkids would be American.)

BUT again, this is not what’s being done. Instead they’re either trekking in or being flown over at taxpayer expense and dumped into small towns throughout the nation. Then jobs are found for them at very low wages, and they are awarded full welfare while they proceed to be feral and terrorize the neighbors and eat their pets.

And the local government denies it’s happening just like Paste Eating Polis denies that Aurora apartments are taken over by Tren D’Aragua. Because you’re supposed to believe their autoritah and not your lying eyes or your lying neighbors. And if you don’t you’re a racist who racists or something.

Look, again, race is bullshit — at least in the American definition of it — but culture is everything, and before we allow anyone into our nation we should look at their culture. And we should tell them “there is bullshit up with which we will not put!” so to put it. And for more extreme cases, there should be orientation, counseling and checking on them.

For instance, I very much doubt the immigrant from a remote area of South America who had never seen a flush toilet and tried to drink from it knows what to do when set free in America. Things like credit cards, bank accounts and groceries are probably beyond her experience, and she’s most likely to fall into slave labor or be sex trafficked.

In the same way, these immigrants, even less feral ones, coming from less starved areas than Haiti, are likely to interact badly with Americans on one of the most sensitive cultural areas: pets. (The other immediate clash points that come to mind are: behavior of and treatment of females, and definition of and treatment of children. There are others. Private property left unguarded is a big part underlying all clashes.)

Not every place in the world is as potty about pets as America. In fact only the other Anglosphere nations seem to be. Even French or, well, Portuguese, Spanish and probably (though I never looked closely) Germans are far more pragmatic about pets.

Of these the countries formerly occupied by Moors — Portugal and Spain, for ex. — are the worst. In Portugal a significant portion of the population throws their cats and dogs outside and leave them with no provisioning whatsoever while they take month long vacations. If the pet is there when they return, great. If not, well, they get another. They’re free, right?

My family, being Odd seethes over this, and even mom who is not a pet person will feed a bunch of these “abandoned” pets every summer.

The same happens when someone dies. The way to deal with it, according to most people in Portugal, is to throw the deceased’s pet, even if it’s an indoor cat, out in the street to fend for him/herself.

This attitude is closer to much of the rest of the world than to America.

And then there are the regions with actual food insecurity. Where pets become either covert or overt sources of food. And since there’s no sense of private property, a pet who is — or can be coaxed into being — loose is just food on the oof for “sensible” Hatians.

But you ask, why can’t they go to the store and use the EBT cards they were given?

Well, first because most food will look really weird. It did to me, and I came from a western country — but not one that at the time had real supermarkets. Carnicerias, sure, but not supermarkets — second because they probably have no clue how to use the cards.

Think about it. You’re handed a piece of plastic and told you can get food with it…

And sure, America is jumping with food, from squirrels to raccoons to deer which no one will cry if you eat (Oh, the idiots will cry about deer) but by and large that food is hard to get while the pets are…. tame and easy. As are the park geese and ducks.

These people are utterly pitiable. Not least because doing this and being allowed to do this is not acculturating them to America at all. And is setting them up to be the flash point for when America has had enough and the convulsion starts.

The left either doesn’t see that, or hopes if the dance starts that it will be the racial war they’ve dreamed of since the 70s. Mostly because they think that 50% of the country is black, but also because they think people who tan are magical and much more “savage” which they view as good and therefore would win walking away.

In fact they’re setting up everyone from my level of tan upwards, or who has even a slight accent (Hi. Moose and squirrel.) to be massacred. Which includes me, my kids, and a lot of my friends and ducttape nephews and nieces.

They are setting them up to be the victims in a spasm of violence that will leave America broken, but not in a way the left will enjoy.

All because they have rats in their heads about race and are completely ignorant of culture. Oh and because they engage in fantasies of the Gramscian kind, which is just the Noble Savage in Marxist war paint.

Their fantasies are driving us to a point when the butcher’s bill will be a stain on America’s soul as most of the dead will be objectively innocent victims.

Let’s hope that those who victimized them by making them the tool of lefty fantasies also get what they’ve earned if it comes to that.

May G-d have mercy on their souls. Because if they get their wish, no one else will.

442 thoughts on “Fine International Cuisine”

  1. Slightly off topic but I remember reading that skinned rabbits were sold (in certain countries) with their paws intact so that the buyers would be able to know that they were buying rabbits not cats. [Crazy Grin]

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    2. There was a caretaker on a property my parents rented in Italy, who was friends with a butcher. One day when the butcher was visiting, he remarked to the caretaker: “Look at that rabbit go!” The caretaker recognized the animal as my family’s small grayish-blackish poodle, laughed and repeated the incident to my parents as a good joke. My parents laughed politely (because the caretaker was a very good man a generation older than they were), and made it a point never to buy from that butcher.

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      1. Sarah’s last meme collection had one about getting a falconry glove, going to the nearest dog park and, wearing the glove, look nervously about the sky. :-P

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          1. I looked a coyote right in the face

            On the road to Baljennie near my old home town

            He was running through the whisker wheat

            Chasing some prize down

            And a hawk was playing with him

            Coyote was jumping straight up and making passes

            (Joni Mitchell, “Coyote”)

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    3. Yes – saw that often in the central market in Zaragoza – the skinned rabbits were left with the paws unskinned for just that reason.

      Every so often in Greece, one would read in the English-language media, that a certain outlet had been busted by the market police for selling so-called rabbit which had meowed in life…

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      1. Yeah, this is why I was very cautious about buying meat when I lived in Romania. We KNEW cat was more than occasionally sold in the guise of something else. Or feral dog. And that the nifty fur hats you saw in the markets were just as likely, if not more so, to be made of cat fur as of rabbit fur…

        We also avoided buying pork, because (although I don’t believe there had been any genuinely documented instances terribly recently at that time–and not in any of the areas I lived, but rather up in Moldova) someone had been busted selling human meat…(Could be apocryphal, and I think if it did happen was likely to have been either just before or in the chaos after the Iron Curtain fell–so some 11 years prior to me living there–and was likely someone already dead.) Beef we avoided bc mad cow had been found in the country. So basically our options were…chicken, lol. Which is probably why I was very tired of chicken for a very long time (in fact, last Saturday marked the first time in probably fifteen or twenty years I voluntarily ordered something chicken at a restaurant–a kebab, and it was delicious.)

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    4. Let us observe that “buying a [suckling] pig in a poke” and “letting the cat out of the bag” are related expressions.

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  2. In these times, common sense becomes uncommon wisdom. Would that, by some miracle, this article could be smuggled into every left-leaning “mainstream” (e)magazine in the English-speaking world!

    Any way to build a SF story on this?

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      1. }}} all about the clash of cultures and bringing re-feralized humans to the mainstream of humanity again.

        Well, THAT doesn’t sound very PC at all!!

        :-D

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        1. Now consider that the main group of savages are designed hermaphrodites and that nothing works the way the feminists think it would. (They’re not peace loving AT ALL.)
          It’s …. It was unsalable under traditional publishing. Which is why I’m only writing it now.

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        1. She’s been swearing she’s almost done with it for a month or three. Her editor (that would be me) has been Waiting Very Patiently and Not Even Tapping His Foot (much) the entire time. Her editor also thinks she should hold it back and write books two and three, for rapid release at one a month. Whether she listens is another matter.

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          2. Oh, she’s been writing it since two moves of mine ago when she sent me pages and only at 3am did I wake up and email her, “Damnit, you’re write $FOO correctly, aren’t you.”

            It is well and truly overdue, along with another Dyce book…when did someone let her have the idea she was allowed a life :)

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            1. I am VERY eagerly awaiting the next Dyce book, but I do know how insane life has been. For all of us, but it does seem Sarah gets more than her share sometimes!

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              1. LOL

                That’s why I included the emoji after the over the top remark about a live.

                Ecclesiastes 3:9-11 applies, as always. As do the first 8 verses.

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  3. North Koreans literally raise dogs as protection and to eat. They also sell the fur to line military officers’ coats to keep warm in the winter. It’s often the only meat that they can get.

    Haitians eating geese and cats…isn’t that different. I’m just worried about when the cannibalistic ones make the news.

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    1. In at least some places in the US, Canadian geese are pesky enough that Haitians culling and eating them might be quietly applauded. Legally that’s a big no-no, for reasons that once were good, but to paraphrase Yeats, the state of the Law these days is “The best don’t get convictions while the worst are enforced with passionate intensity.”

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      1. My favorite factoid about this is that there are many places where the Geese are a major nuisance, because they are very aggressive and defend their territory.

        I personally suspect if you beat a couple of them down they’ll learn to leave you alone. Too many people are scared of them once they spread their wings and “look much bigger”.

        But I say that acking that I’ve never been in that circumstance.

        But what amused me most was a solution: Swans.

        Swans don’t flock, they are fairly solitary, and form mating pairs but not groups. And they are just as territorial as Geese, and are generally bigger than Geese.

        Plus, their elegance and grace are appealing to human sensibilities.

        So, if you want to clear out a wet zone that the Geese are being obnoxious in, get someone to import a couple Swans. They will chase the Geese out.

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      2. Around here, they’re generally considered pests—“rats with feathers,” to quote a friend of mine. I’ve thought idly about going after them, but I don’t know how to cook goose.

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          2. The family member who tried it said to be sure and roast it in a deep pan because it renders out alot of fat and goosefat is IIRC considered something a cut above, kind of like duck fat.

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            1. Lots of fat. English friends of ours cooked us a Christmas goose for a party while we did a turkey. Nobody went hungry, but I decided I wasn’t a goose fan. For that matter, I’m not overly fond of wild turkey.

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              1. Yeah, but then you’d have to avoid seasoning the goose, and somehow I don’t think that would taste very good. (But then, I am also one of those people who see “some garlic” in a recipe and interpret it as “a LOT of garlic” :D)

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      3. I will applaud loudly. The things are nuisances. It’s not so much that their droppings are slick (“slicker than goose shit” is an expression for a reason), but that there is so much of it.

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    2. You might still be able to get dog meat in some places in South Korea.

      Overall, I don’t really care if a culture within its own country eats meat that I consider “odd” (with the exception of people). It’s their culture. They can eat what they want at home. It’s possible that I’ve eaten stuff that they consider weird.

      But when you come here? You learn and obey the social customs and mores. When in Rome, and all of that. That doesn’t mean that there isn’t some room for cross-cultural pollination. But it’s your responsibility to figure out which customs are flexible, and which are wrought in iron.

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      1. We’ve been breeding cows, chickens, pigs and sheep for food for thousands of years. We’ve been breeding dogs and cats too, but not for food. Is it any wonder the ‘normal’ meats are tastier?

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      2. That’s why when I had “steak” in the Netherlands and tasted my fellow tourists “hamburger,” I was OK with the notion it had neighed in its early life. (My companions were horrified at the thought. The waitress and the cashier lost their command of English when I asked).

        The steak was a tad chewy, but it tasted OK.

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        1. At a bar/restaurant in Moscow, I ordered “loshad stroganinni”. I knew “loshad” was horse and I’d never had horse. I had no idea what “stroganinni” was. Turns out it means “jerky”, which means it tasted like dry, salted meat without any detectable horse-ness.

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      3. The base issue is simpler: Just because it’s not being guarded does not mean you can take it. Geese in a park, ducks in a pond, cats being outside cats, or a bike left in a front yard, it’s the same cultural baseline.

        As a practical matter in these cases of “oh they are from a different culture” local authorities should start with setting the fish and game folks loose on these people. “Nice gooses. Show me your hunting license and goose tags please.”

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          1. And it’s only good during the open season, which is short; the season in Ohio for 2024 is less than a month total (early and normal combined). And it also requires an Ohio hunting license and an Ohio Wetlands Habitat Stamp. (Yeah, I looked it up.)

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            1. If those gooses illicitly consumed are Canada Geese, does that make this an international incident?

              Castreaux might declare war on Ohio!

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          2. I stand corrected.

            At least I am not standing corrected wearing waders ankle deep in stinky swamp mud and a foot or two of stinky swamp water since oh-dark-five waiting for the ducks that obviously never got the meeting invite to never show up, as I was the last time I exercised my hunting license and duck stamps here in Glorious Gavin’s People’s Bear Flag Republic. Never hunted Gooses.

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            1. Oregon. One each hunting and fishing license, for the year. But then you need proper deer, elk, or pronghorn, tags (other than deer, no guaranty you will get a tag, either); duck, turkey, pheasant stamps; salmon, stealhead tags; etc.

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      4. I agree (although I have zero desire to try it). If a culture eats cats/dogs, that’s fine. My only objection is, for example, that charming festival in China where they TORTURE them to death before eating them. That, to me, is a fine example of “your culture sucks, and this part of it needs eliminated.”

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  4. …interact badly with Americans on one of the most sensitive cultural areas: pets.

    I have often wondered how the triggering event in the first John Wick move plays in other countries.

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        1. “Americans are -crazy-.”Should cover most places.

          “Americans are crazy, and insanely dangerous. Let us not draw their interest to our homeland.” is probably a message we -want- delivered.

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          1. This.

            ”Oh, it’s the crazy Americans – just smile and let them give you money, and for Ghu’s sake don’t get them angry. You won’t like them when they are angry.”

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    2. RIGHT NOW a lot of people have no kids, no significant other, only their pets.
      Even us, adult children, no grandkids, are unusually fond of our pets for anywhere else. We are aware they’re replacement grandkids, but the emotion is still there.

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      1. Right. And given how many Asian folks transplanted here I see out walking their dogs there’s some cross-cultural impact too. Maybe dogs were culturally a class display historically in China so it’s movin’-on-up evidence to own a dog.

        I just wonder if the part in John Wick 1 where they killed his puppy so he went full nuclear hit man on them generates a “Huh?” or a “stupid Americans” or similar elsewhere that movie played.

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        2. I wonder if a part of it among Asian immigrants is “The good meat (chicken, beef) is *available* here (and cheap!) We don’t have to scrounge the second- and third-rate stuff.”

          At any rate, “When in Rome, live as the Romans do. When you are elsewhere, live as they do there” is a thing to be encouraged.

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          1. I suspect this is a lot of it. Pork is popular in China, for instance. Further, you just don’t see as much of the odd meats anymore. I make no statements about rural China. But my understanding is that dog meat is much less common in South Korea than it used to be (assuming that you can even get it at all). It might be a case of cross-pollination, with Western thoughts (particularly American) about “acceptable meat” influencing the local cuisine. Or it might be that the meat just isn’t that good in relation to our own usual staples of pork, beef, and poultry.

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        3. It *might* (though I can’t say for sure) be mitigated by the fact that the film makes it clear that him going nuclear was as much the fact that the dead puppy was his dead wife’s final gift to him, meant to help him through the grieving process, and not for the dog’s sake alone.

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      2. Both $SPOUSE and I had dogs as pets when we were kids, then for many years, no. A year or so after we started dating, I was visiting family and one of my aunt’s Italian Greyhounds stole my heart. He had bad luck (injured and returned, second try, his mistress died, so I was the third chance) but a bit later he and his sister came to us. We’ve had one or two dogs since.

        We never had kids, though we do long distance for nieces and nephews (both std and great), but the canine kids have that place in our hearts.

        Recalls Sara, terminally ill, but bound and determined to see Dad recover from his knee injury. She held on until I was hale. Two weeks later, Kat-the-dog entered our life. Kind of dusty in here, but happy tears.

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      3. I was remarking to [relative] that [migrants] eating the ducks and random pets is -so- much worse press for the Donks than the little kid who died on the first day of school from [migrant] driving skillz.

        This is not to suggest the child dying is not a horrific tragedy, but rather that Americans (and Canadians) essentially view park animals and pets as holy. Just like Hindus with cows, when you get right down to it.

        Where we have been de-sensitized to the deaths of humans, even children by media, we have been -sensitized- to the deaths of animals by countless propaganda campaigns from the Left.

        Leaving the Left with only one option: to lie.

        But THIS TIME they are getting held to account by dozens of people from that town posting on YouTube that yes, the migrants really are eating people’s pets, and the ducks out of the park, and the geese, and so forth. I’ve seen a lot of video the last few days from that town.

        Even better, some guy from there has a little care-care Youtube channel, he revealed the last couple of days that [migrants] are being given driver’s licenses in that county without ever taking a driving test. Or indeed being required to show any knowledge of automobiles or driving at all. Or English. Or reading.

        All by order of… well no one really knows actually, it’s just being done that way because shut up, racist old American fat guy. Get lost before we make up something to charge you with.

        Meanwhile, we see #Let’sGoBrandon putting a MAGA hat on his own head, and later a shot of him waving from the steps of Airforce 1 with the red MAGA hat in one hand. The act of a bitter old man with nothing left to lose, taking a final stab at his real opponents, the Dems. Reminder that Epstein totally k1lled himself, yep you betcha.

        Other meanwhile, we see the US Secretary of State Antony Blinken literally playing chicken with Putin, saying maybe maybe might be the USA will give Ukraine some long range missiles to blow up stuff in Russia. Because nuclear warfare with the Russians -might- be enough to cover the crooked election steal, but nothing short of that will do it? I can see those @holes thinking that. And thinking about all the juicy money they’ll be able to divert/steal/create from the arms transfer.

        Yes of course, the #ShinyPony is enthusiastically throwing the vast armies of #Canuckistan firmly behind #P3n1sPianoPlayer and his drone forces. Better watch out Russians.

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        2. “… [migrants] eating the ducks and random pets is -so- much worse press for the Donks than the little kid who died on the first day of school from [migrant] driving skillz.”

          The other part of that is that unfortunately American children die every day due to automobile accidents and even specifically bad driving – so we can say that *this* child would not have died *that* day in *that* way if the “refugee” hadn’t been there – but the absence of that “refugee” or the entire group would not eliminate that class of death.

          Whereas the non-isolated stealing and eating of pets and “protected” park birds *can* (according to the accounts we’ve heard/read) be traced directly to those Haitian “refugees,” and would not be happening on this scale if they had not been brought to the US.

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      1. Since Mussolini himself called FDR a dictator (with approval) calling FDR a fascist would be entirely fair. Who would contradict the main who coined the term, on the question of who it applies to?

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  6. I feel odd that a couple of days ago I read an article about how so very many of the birds in America are illegal to hunt, or even collect the feathers from, because they fall under the Migratory Bird Treaty of 1918. And that it’s actually illegal in the US to eat horse, whale, bats, and wild abalone. And then a day or two later there are all these memes about eating birds in the park, and pets.

    There’s also that PETA? billboard that was so popular around the country a few years ago with the line up of various animals asking why you’d eat a cow or pig, but not a horse, rabbit, dog, or cat. Well, depending on how dire the food situation is, horse, and even dog/cat is on the menu. We’re just no where near that point in our economy yet.

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    1. My understanding is that if I pick up an eagle feather from the ground, if TPTB had video, I’d be in deep shit. $TINY_TOWN has a lot of eagles (both bald and golden), along with other raptors.

      Several years ago, the feds decided to pay a visit to the tribal gathering nearby. Big gathering (multiple tribes), and some tickets were written. That. Did. Not. Go. Over. Well. (Apparently, they were citing people who were in legal possession of the feathers.) Haven’t reviewed the law lately, though I guess I should.

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      1. An eagle feather lying on the ground is undergoing what every organic structure eventually undergoes: It is decomposing. How long it takes for an eagle feather to return to the dust from which it was made I do not know. Months? Years?
        Now I want to know, at what point in time does the feather cease to be a feather? If that isn’t defined in the law then I would say that the law is impermissibly vague. B

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        1. I’d say, when you can’t pick it up without it falling apart. Hair, horns, claws and feathers can last years if they’re at least somewhat sheltered from the elements. Especially sunlight. The sun can destroy most anything that’s not already fully oxidized.

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          1. Good definition, though I would say that a feather no longer attached to an eagle is no longer a part of the eagle, and that therefore no eagle is being molested, traumatized or disrespected by anyone who picks up litter off the ground.

            So, any lawyers out there who can answer my question?

            Does the law specify at what point in time an eagle feather ceases to be an eagle feather after it is no longer attached to an eagle?

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            1. The laws against collecting the feathers exist because convicting a poacher on the basis of possessing contraband is much easier than catching them in the act.

              It also deters potential buyers who don’t enjoy committing felonies from unknowingly supporting criminals.

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      2. Yeah, the tribes get some dispensation to gather feathers for their religious rituals. To the best of my knowledge, they haven’t abused this (or at least not enough to really matter). So I’m not aware of any pushes to end this. If the Feds decided to go heavy-handed against them…

        /facepalm

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        1. “If the Feds decided to go heavy-handed against them…”

          /facepalm

          The Feds have, elsewhere. It did not end well, for the Feds, legally.

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          2. Nor should it. In my opinion the solution for Tyrants is Trepanizine IC, in doses of 80-300 grains, repeat as needed.

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      3. My family has a place next to which (like… in the top a a tree 20 feet from the deck) bald eagles have decided to nest… for the last 6 or 7 years.

        I will neither confirm nor deny that that there might possibly be feathers on the mantle which we may or may not call our collection of “felony feathers.”

        And I have no doubt that Fish and Wildlife or the EPA, if they knew where that was, would come in and completely destroy the nesting habitat that the birds themselves picked out as acceptable, all in the name of “protecting” them.

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        1. Eugene has nesting poles established along the Willamette and the bigger old gravel pit ponds for either Osprey and Eagles. Two reasons. Keep them from nesting on top of light and electrical poles. Keep them from nesting at the high points of Austen Stadium. At least one Osprey couple didn’t get the memo for decades as they claimed the same nest site every year at Austen, even though the site had been cleaned out of the former nest. Huge controversy every year the nests were cleaned out, even though the birds were done with the nest for the season and the new fledglings flown.

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    2. We’re just no where near that point in our economy yet.

      We may be closer than you think. A number of meat categories are selling far less than they used to. The exception is sausage.

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        1. Fred Meyers locally has 90/10% hamburger on sale in 3# packs at $3.99/#. $1/# cheaper than Costco’s 88/12%. Since I needed hamburger, got 12#s (that is 6+ meals).

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      1. “First you kills ’em, then you peels ’em.”

        Direct quote of my cousin at the age of three. The same cousin who was in hospital delivering a baby on post (Fort Hamilton) as the twin towers fell.

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    4. The Migratory Bird Treaty of 1918 came about largely because of the hat trade, I think. Fancy feathers on hats were destroying large swaths of bird species, with “pest shooting” accounting for most of the raptors. The whole reason it’s such a big deal is because it’s impossible to determine after the fact if you acquired them in a harmless manner or not. (Simple tip: Learn to cut and paint turkey feathers to look like eagle feathers if you are doing any art projects or similar. A cut edge will be distinctive at close quarters.)

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    5. lol, I remember that billboard, and I remember it asking where do you draw the line on food and someone responded by drawing a line between the dog and the pig and writing “see, was that so hard?” Didn’t see many more of those billboards after that.

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  7. There was a photo up on Twitter a while back that was supposedly taken at the Haiti/Dominican Republic border. Very easy to tell: on the DR side, heavily forested. On the Hatian side, grass and not much else.

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      1. There is a similar one with North Korea and South Korea at night. The picture most commonly bandied about is PShopped to make NoKo look even worse, but even the actual Google Earth shots show it is not by much.

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          2. Dude. You don’t even have to read about it. Just look at pictures of their Olympic athletes and how small and slim the NorK athletes are—and remember that those are the privileged ones.

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    2. Funny thing is, there was a serious attempt by the Dominicans to get annexed by the US during Grant’s presidency. A Congressional committee that included Frederick Douglas visited the island, and came back with a report that was in favor of the annexation. However, Grant did a poor job of selling the plan to a very skeptical Congress, and it failed the necessary Senate vote.

      One wonders how a successful annexation would have affected the development of neighboring Haiti.

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  9. Look, I’m not going to lie, in some harder parts of my life I made jokes about putting meat back on my menu by way of a machete and a box of Cheerios (geese and ducks are kinda common here–our developers love them some water features). Doesn’t mean I’d actually DO it. And dogs and cats and other pets, Right Out.

    But then…the machete and Cheerios thing got tempting at times.

    To mutate a phrase, at how many calories does civilization fail?

    Because it failed HARD in Haiti.

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    1. So, ducks and geese? if this winter — or maybe next – goes as hard as I expect? A lot of Americans will hunt them. Cats and dogs? not short of famine.
      It failed hard and a LONG time ago, and it’s been down since then.

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      2. Ducks and geese, like turkeys, are farmed for more than their eggs. Duck/geese, just like deer/elk, hunting, is done (for a fee for the licensing). Come food insecurity gets bad enough people will forgo asking for permission (hunting license). Currently the deer that populate our urban backyards are off the hunting menu (if only because neighbors get upset on gunfire in close in neighborhoods). Hunting isn’t inexpensive these days unless you have the equipment, and it is out your backdoor. Trust me on this. Worse these days because have to get lucky in the drawings for unit tags + proper game type hunting license costs. Hunting private property, even extensive timberland areas is forbidden without the appropriate permissions. Easy to run fowl of those circumstances too.

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          1. Bow game hunting is a thing. Good hunting bows are not inexpensive. But still the proper hunting license and bird game stamps are still required. Those are not inexpensive either. Trained dogs, for sighting, and fetching, birds are also not inexpensive. (Never bird hunted.)

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            1. I'[d bet you that ingenious and hungry ferals could figure out a way to McGyver hunting bows together that might not pass CPSC muster.

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              1. Of coarse. There is thousand of years of history where bow hunting was how hunting was done. Individuals usually making their own. Reenactors today, there are those that make their own. Whether what the starving feral cobble together is effective? TBD More likely they’ll mob easier targets. Believe it or not, deer, and other wildlife are not safe to get close to (deer/elk/bison injure more tourist in our national parks than bears or other predators combined).

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                1. And in areas of the US where you have mule deer…well. White tails are actually quite small–and you still don’t want to mess with them. Mule deer are the size of a smallish horse, and you REALLY don’t want to get up close and personal with one if it’s feeling pissy.

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                  1. Sure you’re not thinking of elk? Mule deer are bigger than whitetails, but top out at around 500lb (for very exceptional specimens; the average is closer to 250). Elk, OTOH, go to nearly 1000lb.

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                    1. No, not thinking about elk. But the point stands: mule deer are NOT small animals. They may not be elk-sized (or, heaven help us all, moose sized), but big enough to stomp someone particularly dumb into paste if necessary.

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                    2. “heaven help us all, moose sized”

                      ………………

                      No kidding. Shudder. Beautiful to watch, especially if you catch some adult males sparing. From a long distance way. (In our case, they weren’t that far away laterally, but they were a long ways away vertically. We’d pulled over to check our map. Heard their horns clashing. Had no idea that Rocky Mnt NP had moose.

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                    3. Oh yes, they are all over, especially in the mountains/forest areas. we usually get at least a couple wander into my town every year or so (along with the inevitable black bear). There was one young male that lived on the borders of the slightly-larger town near me. He came trotting across the highway one day while I was on my way home from work. Heh. I have NEVER seen such a fat moose. Dude was downright pudgy–I suspect he’d taken a page from the town deer and was eating trash…

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                    4. Check the statistics at Olympic or Rainer National Parks, both have elk, but the most dangerous animal on those mountains, against tourists, is the deer (not counting vehicle VS deer on the mountain roads, although that can’t be discounted either). Them hooves can be lethal, whether the smaller white tail or the bigger mule deer.

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                    5. Oh, no question. Deer, especially bucks during the rut, can be very dangerous; elk and moose even more so (I’ve read that moose are far more aggressive than either deer or elk). My only question stemmed from the about the “size of a smallish horse” comment. Maximum-size elk would be about the size of a moderately small horse; deer (either whitetail, blacktail or mule) would be no bigger than a small pony.

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                    6. Pony is certainly a more accurate term, and that’s more or less what I meant in regards to mule deer. All the ones I’ve seen are about the same size as the (not particularly small) Shetland pony I had as a teen. (We also raised miniature horses, so to me, most “ponies” really are smallish horses, lol. Some context for you there ;) )

                      And yeah, moose are PISSY. They will try to stomp you into paste just for looking at them funny, and so are best avoided even more assiduously than bears. Bears are, unless something is very wrong with them, pretty shy. Moose are NOT.

                      (I did get to pet a bear they’d tranq’d in town some years back. That was extremely cool. The rangers would not, I think, have attempted any such thing with a moose. For one thing, most black bears are easily loaded into the bed of a truck while unconscious with just two or three people. A moose, on the other hand…)

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          3. That’s actually legal here (Rapid City, SD). I do a Photoshopped Groundhog’s Day card every year (I can’t get Christmas cards out on time). I so want to buy a cross bow, sit in the hot tub (with a blaze orange hat) and use that as the picture with the caption “Now this is a deer stand!”

            Unfortunately, crossbows are a bit expensive for just a photo prop. I have no desire to deal with the carcass (yet? I hope not ever).

            Then there is the k-bar fantasy: https://markedup.blog/2024/08/30/fantasy-imagination-reality/

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            1. “so many ways that I end up trampled with broken bones.”

              ……………..

              ^This.

              Look it up. Deer cause more injuries, not related to car accidents, in our national parks (more than Elk or Bison, if only because more national parks have deer than the other), let alone bears. If it isn’t the bucks during rut. Those does take exception to tourists approaching when they have fawns, even with the fawns squirreled away hidden. Heaven help you if you find one of those fawns and you startle it into squealing and jumping up. Those hooves are vicious.

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            2. Can’t hunt with a crossbow on PA unless you have a specific list of handicaps.

              All that will go right out the window if Kamaltoe gets to put price controls on the grocery store.

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          4. Noting that in a TEOTWAWKI* situation, deer can be taken with snares. Quiet, effective, cheap, etc. Totally against the game regs as they stand, but if that’s out the window, study up on snares and traps.

            *The End Of The World As We Know It

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            1. Curious. Would it be illegal to put snares around the garden, then release the deer that got caught? Soon or late I should think the deer would learn this is not a good place to be…

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              1. Why would farmers want to do that? Most have deer fences around them. Deer get in because someone left the gate open …

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            4. There is a book I read as a kid, “My Side of the Mountain” which, while a fictional story, actually gave a lot of info on traps, snares, deadfalls, and the like. I can recommend it.

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                1. Trilogy:

                  “My side of the Mountain”

                  “On the far side of the Mountain”

                  “Frightful’s Mountain”

                  Jean Craighead George

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        2. Yesterday I reviewed the game/security camera mounted near the barn. (About 600′ from the house and 200-300′ from the nearest neighbors.) In March, I had several deer in view at 4PM and 6AM. As summer progressed, a rare single doe would show up, but the current timing is when it’s dark. (There’s another camera elsewhere on the property that gets deer walking to and from the river, including a decent buck.)

          Our property is too small to legally hunt, though the ranch south of us (resting place for that herd) is. Way too close to town, though that hasn’t stopped some of the poachers. (Have rifle and spotlight, screw the law.)

          Years ago, I read that for survival purposes, look at the hunting regulations and laws, violate any and all of them, and you’ll have meat. I would be wary about noisy hunting close to town, but that sounds fixable.

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          1. Oregon has (had? Or maybe it was just county based?) A nuance deer cull. Rather rude to cull does with fawns, but otherwise … A deer getting into gardens (with adequate deer “proof” fencing) is “fair game”. Above what one can get during hunting season. (Great-Uncle was known to accidentally leave the garden gate open if anyone in the family needed meat supplement. OTOH his (born 1906), and really dad’s (born 1935) generation, was used to fishing and hunting whenever the family needed meat until the rules changed.)

            Poaching is not the only problem, private or public, land. It is illegal to hunt or fish any private property without owner permission, when it is otherwise legal to hunt (with appropriate permits, etc.). This includes small farms/ranches to huge swaths of corporate owned lands. Only legal access is governmental lands BLM/State/USFS (with exceptions, like national parks, etc.) Fishing navigable water by boat is slightly different, even if water goes through private land. Can’t touch the ground anywhere, including river bottom, but can fish from a boat. Huge problem in western states.

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            1. A couple we knew in $TINY_TOWN (she’s the town busybody, so former friend…) has a 200 acre property for their house. It’s also antelope habitat and one time when the gate was left open, they had poachers trying to spotlight the antelope. He took measures, and as far as we knew, had no further problems. 7.62 x 39 from a Mini-30 as a go-away round isn’t my cup of tea, but it worked.

              Couldn’t tell, but one of the game camera shots looked like it could have been an antelope. We normally get mule deer. Said deer don’t like zucchini and they can’t get at the tomatoes, so we haven’t had an excuse for a deer cull.

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                1. Years ago in Michigan, my wife was driving south with our infant daughter towards Lansing when a deer suicided on our car. October-ish, MSU in session but no snow yet, so it was cold and dark.

                  Wife took daughter and took refuge with a nearby farm wife.

                  The nice lady said my wife ought to claim the deer, because they ate corn all summer and didn’t taste gamy much.

                  So we did – and I kind of felt bad about it. Sheriff or State Police had already given the deer to a family, and it was already gutted and hung when we showed up to take it away. I don’t think we made a friend that day. (We didn’t ask for, or want, the liver, heart and whatnot.)

                  Then again, that family didn’t have a car repair bill because of that deer.

                  Car seats for children work, thank heavens.

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            1. Still can. Last fall hunting season my aunt took a deer out their backyard yard (they have 40 acres for a backyard). Taking it out of the garden would have been a problem. That means shooting parallel to the road, or parallel to their house, and both are frowned on. Baker Oregon.

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        3. I always joke (but it’s not really a joke) that if we ever have a winter in my area as bad as the one in 1947 (where they had to airlift food in from elsewhere, bc the snow was so deep), the town deer are in for a VERY rude shock. But also, people likely wouldn’t eat those until they had few other options–not because we like the deer (they’re damn overgrown rats, the town deer are), but because those critters eat garbage and are way less healthy than the deer that don’t live in town, and so probably taste nasty. (Although every year, around hunting season, our town deer population mysteriously triples…and they’re nearly all bucks. Although bucks don’t taste very good eaither.)

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          1. The one season I worked through December, thus was working during the weeks of western fall hunting. Naturally all the locals hunted weekends. Come in Monday morning griping about seeing nothing. Then Monday – Friday, when working entire group marking a unit or specific type of timber cruising, would hear more griping, as the bucks knew where they could safely graze and nap (in and among the crew). The locals didn’t think it was funny. I did. Especially since the district wasn’t that far (< 50 miles) from our family traditional family hunting local.

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              1. Do you know the answer to “why the chicken crossed the road?”

                “To show the deer, skunks, possums, and armadillos, that it could be done.”

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      4. The deer around here will vanish if things get bad. And the deer stay in the valley all year round, not just in winter.

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        1. I think the hardest thing, should s**t hit the fan and hunting deer and other game to survive becomes a thing, is getting it through too many people’s heads that you HAVE to make sure you don’t hunt to the point that there are no more game animals. Some of those hunting laws are there for a damn good reason, albeit for the “so people can still enjoy hunting next year, and years after, too” rather than “so we don’t all starve” reason, but still.

          (I do NOT count the town deer in this, however. Those suckers can all die.)

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    2. One of my coworkers fantasized a method of goose hunting. Get into a wetsuit, add a snorkel, then wade into the Officers’ Club golf course pond with a sack. Da-dum. Da-dum. Da-dum, da-dum, dadumdadumdadumdadum……

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    3. We knew a guy in New Jersey, out of work. Somehow, he kept the freezer stocked so the kids had protein. Lots of venison, year-round. We didn’t ask…

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      1. We grew up with venison/elk/salmon/trout, year round (mentioned before, we did not eat meat, unless it was wild game. Don’t think I age commercial meat until college. Even our pork, bacon, and turkey, came from extended family farms.) All legally gotten; 4 deer/year (2 white tail, two mule, deer; or 2 west cascade, 2 east cascade, hunts), and 1/2 – full elk/year (depending on how many elk were gotten in the group, shared equally among hunters, 2 hunters = two shares). Wasn’t until after I was out of college (first time) that Oregon instituted the “hunt one side or the other, pick one”. Costs? Fuel. Their hunting rifles and camping equipment used (they never, and I mean never, hunted out of a hotel), are *older than I am. That isn’t counting the fish. We went fishing every weekend, from the time fishing season opened, until it was deer hunting season. I’ve been frozen steelhead fishing (answer to going now is a solid “hell no”). They didn’t start ocean salmon fishing until just before I started college. Did buy a boat. But the commercial fishing (deductions) paid for that. Once they could no longer sports fish before season out of their commercially used boat (couldn’t use the commercial rigged lines, and those were majorly visibly different than sports poles, but they could use the boat).

        (* Didn’t stay that way as we all 3 matriculated out to college. Parents eventually graduated to a motorhome (long after I was out of the house). But The majority of my childhood, it was a big canvas bottomless cook type tent that was used. Fit, 3 families, big.)

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  10. }}} Private property left unguarded is a big part underlying all clashes.

    Yeah, it’s a culture change/clash at the heart of this.

    My GPs (born during the first decade of the 1900s) left their house unlocked through the 1960s, but after they were robbed a couple times in the early 70s, they began to lock stuff up.

    I’ve noted that there is at least one common culture in the USA which seems to have the position that if it isn’t nailed down, it’s free to take. This seems to be passed down from parent to child these days, and it hinders their success considerably… I’m pretty sure this hasn’t always been this way. Prior to the 70s that culture did not have that attitude, or did not express it often, at least…

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    1. The common culture that believes that “if you’re not guarding it, it’s mine” tended to get culled by people that didn’t want their stuff stolen, usually by being shot or hung or otherwise being removed from the gene pool dramatically. The problem is that a lot of that culling hasn’t happened for at least three, four generations and behaviors you don’t discourage are only encouraged.

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      1. And worse, you’ve got idiots effectively encouraging it, with stupid slogans such as, “Is your property worth his life!?”

        Answer: “Apparently he thought so…”

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          1. I’ve seen the memes too.

            Difference is these tend to leave off the “Apparently”. Just “He/she/they thought so …”

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        3. Since all property takes money to purchase, and money takes time to acquire, by stealing property, someone is stealing *my* life that I put in to get it.

          Dante put thieves in a low circle of Hell, even lower than murderers. This is why.

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          1. And, depending on the property being stolen, losing something to theft can literally be life-threatening.

            Which was why horse rustling was a hanging offense in the American West.

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    2. I remember state employees in [redacted] observing that after the then-latest wave of migrants, no one hung decorations on their fences or left nice things on their porches, even behind the fence and closed gate. This was a decade ago. “Their culture doesn’t mesh with ours,” was the unspoken grumble. (Because no one at all was going to say it aloud, even the guy who had no, 0 filters and no, 0, F—s to give.)

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    3. My reaction when I read the first sentence of your final paragraph was “Well, yeah. So?” Then as I continued, I realized that the culture to which you were referring wasn’t the infantry….

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  11. A lot of the people that support Kamela are people that have never understood the world.

    Once you get rid of the true believers in Socialism and Communism, the Riot Boys and Grrls, the people hanging onto the coattails of these various movements for power or for glory or for just three-square meals a day, what you have left are people that have never seen the world before.

    Most of them have never left the United States. If they’ve traveled outside of the US, they have traveled only on highly curated tours, organized excursions, and similar things that have carefully airbrushed the worst bits of other places away from their views. They’ve never lived anywhere lower than Lower Middle Class for an extended period of time. And even that was probably a temporary period when they were in college or working an internship somewhere. They think that clean water and plenty of it, fresh food of all kinds at all hours, and decent accommodations (even if it’s cheap pasteboard from the dollar store until they can get the perfect IKEA piece) is the baseline of humanity.

    Never met anyone that truly had to worry about if they were going to eat that night, versus “leftovers or eating out?”.

    Believe that many of these places are just like here, except with funny costumes like Disneyland, and the rules are the same as on a university campus. (1)

    Never had to drive through a bad neighborhood except on the freeway or only during daylight hours, and never had to linger for anything.

    Never had to wonder if the gang of kids was just kids hanging out or a gang of kids waiting to rob people at random.

    That they can fly their freak flag high and not be punished for it, because most of the people actually believe those people in the funny outfits with the strange hats.

    And they never understood-often until it is far too late-that the wolves are far too often just outside the door, let alone just outside the walls.

    Honestly…I would prefer for them to believe this and remain believing in this. It’s a nasty world out there and for a lot of people, knowing about how bad it can get will just depress them endlessly. And make them turn to people I wouldn’t trust with a potato gun, let alone any kind of power. But we’ve got an election coming up with a shrew that wants to tear everything down, just because she can.

    And I know what happens when everything falls apart.

    (1-Reading stories of American tourists in Japan being such assholes that a lot of places are banning all foreign tourists just before I travel over there is disappointing.)

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    1. Bujold addressed this one in Barrayar, when Cordelia is shocked to learn that there are people on Barrayar who don’t have access to electronic communications and information systems, and Aral points out that there are people on Barrayar who can’t count on having access to food.

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    2. Not just Americans, as it turns out, though I’ve seen some publicized cases. Japan has started accepting more immigrants to cover the population shortfalls, and plenty of them are troublemakers.

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    3. I went to Romania as an elective for my Masters. Our group et what was set before them, which included a lot of cabbage, chicken cutlets and sausages. The dairy was quite good, but in danger from EU regulations. We did get really tired of dry chicken cutlets, but we assuaged our hunger by sneaking out one night to the nearby Hard Rock Cafe in downtown Bucharest and gorging on hamburgers.

      I heard a later group of students made themselves thoroughly unpopular by complaining constantly about the food.

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      1. I was there on a mission for my church in 2001-2002. Cabbage was ubiquitous. First city I lived in (Brasov) had a quite good Mexican restaurant…but in dishes where you would usually have shredded lettuce, you got shredded cabbage, lol.

        I quite like sarmale, though I haven’t had it since then, as it’s pretty labor intensive to make, heh.

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        1. A local Thai restaurant was run by native Thais. They had Thai, Chinese, and some American food. Sometimes they went by what the food looked like, more than what it was supposed to be.

          The dessert bar had what looked like Kool Whip or whipped cream. They had been putting out marshmallow creme instead, for more than a decade, before someone mentioned it to them. Then they went to Kool Whip.

          By then, I was used to marshmallow creme on my diced pineapple, and mourned the change…

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          1. We have a very excellent Thai restaurant in the town where I work, run by immigrants from Thailand. They actually have 3 locations across the state now. And I suspect–but haven’t confirmed–that they bought the old coffeeshop and that is why we now have a boba tea shop in Rawlins, Wyoming. They are excellent entrepreneurs.

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  12. I think the pet thing has become a viral storm because it is not just all about the pets, but a deeper truth that citizens can feel, whether they can articulate or not. We have now been flooded with these “newcomers” who share not a shred of our culture or history, who in fact come from some of the worst feral societies and who are washing over our country destroying public spaces, public trust , everyday American life and no one will do anything…

    It is a cry to get someone to pay attention –

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    1. The issue is also so far out of band that it bypasses the usual immigration arguments completely. No one in America, not even the poorest of the poor, needs to eat pets, so this isn’t a question of helping or accommodating immigrants. It’s pure culture clash, on one of the issues where Americans are most sensitive.

      Plus the imagery is sticky as heck. Anyone who’s seen even one AI image of Trump rescuing cats and ducks will have that in their head until the election, if not longer. You can’t help it. And trying to counter that only draws attention to the more serious issues (e.g., unlicensed drivers, squatting, etc.) that the press has been trying to cover up.

      It’s dumb, it’s ridiculous, it’s hilarious, and it’s working.

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            1. Yeah, it was Swalwell. IIRC, Kinzinger’s district made it clear that they no longer wanted him as their representative.

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        1. That one was by Weird Al? Huh. I would have chalked that one up to the “Weird Al effect” where good parody songs that weren’t by him get attributed to him. I came across it twenty-plus years ago, in a context where the artist wasn’t mentioned, so I never knew he had done that one.

          Yeah, that one’s brilliant. As most of his songs are.

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        2. For like the 8000th time, NOT WEIRD AL!!!!

          It was written/performed by Bob Rivers, a satirist who had his own morning drive show on the left coast.

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  13. This is the video of the police talking to the woman who killed and was eating a cat: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_w7RTvOQvH/

    You can still watch it — just hit the little “See Post” link at the bottom of the panel.

    False information, say Instagram’s “multiple independent fact checkers.” But clearly the police are arresting a woman who killed and was in the process of eating a cat on a suburban street. So what’s false about it? Did the incident not happen where the post says it happened? Or when the post says it happened? Was it maybe not an unacculturated immigrant, but an American having a psychotic episode?

    The inquiring mind wants to know, but I wouldn’t bet on any of that helpful information coming out of those so-called fact checkers.

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    1. The woman was (allegedly) an American citizen with mental issues. So we’re all racists for assuming a dark-skinned woman who has killed and eaten a cat is from elsewhere.

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      2. And frankly, the lefties fail to realize that IT DOESN’T MATTER (and isn’t about her skin color) if she’s from the US. The fact that there are ALSO enough crazies out on the streets thanks to their policies that we’ve got ones eating pets is still something we’re all pissed about…

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  14. These people are utterly pitiable. 

    I am beyond caring.

    These people are in my house and have been abusing my hospitality and I’m done.

    I’ve seen a lot of conservatives complain that pets are what got people to care about the border? I think they are clueless. This is the first time the border crisis is in people’s homes instead of workplaces or streets.

    And I suspect a lot of Americans are beyond caring that these people are pitiable.

    Pity is a finite resource and people are done.

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    1. Regarding the last line about pity, I suspect that mercy is soon to become a scarce commodity as well.

      “The grace of God knows no bounds, but my mercy has some practical limitations.” – Rev. Theo Fobius, Schlock Mercenary (Dec 12, 2004)

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      1. This is why our hostess said, “In fact they’re setting up everyone from my level of tan upwards, or who has even a slight accent (Hi. Moose and squirrel.) to be massacred. Which includes me, my kids, and a lot of my friends and ducttape nephews and nieces.”

        She’s mostly right. She mentions some people I have met who I think read white (she once told me Americans have this weird ability to differentiate ‘race’ that puzzles Europeans so hopefully she’ll trust my weird American ability when I say some on that list are “white”)

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        1. honestly, both Sarah and Larry look white to me. Maybe because I’ve never seen either one after a week at the beach.

          just for reference, I’m a white southerner with trace amounts of native American mixed in with thr scots-irish.

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          2. Same here. But after two months of working construction, I tanned dark enough to pass for black at a friend’s family reunion. Ordinarily I’m about as pale as my redhead wife.

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        2. honestly, both Sarah and Larry look white to me. Maybe because I’ve never seen either one after a week at the beach.

          just for reference, I’m a white southerner with trace amounts of native American mixed in with thr scots-irish.

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  15. Even still, as bad as it is, most people do not live where there are multitudes of immigrants. And they lock their doors so their stuff is safe and never let the kids walk to school or spend a minute unaccompanied. In many minds, any parent who lets their kid out where they can be murdered has obviously been negligent. Obviously.

    But the idea that Fluffy and Fido are no longer safe to let outside to do their business, well… Or might be snatched if they get out… shocking! Also people are, sadly, used to hearing about murders. It’s in the 10 Commandments, even, because people have always done that sort of thing. They are NOT used to hearing about eaten pets. It seems unnatural and grotesque.

    Plus let us not discount the fact that people are NOT trusting the media to report this factually.

    At all.

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    1. Believing the exact opposite of official reports will result in errors but it will result in a fraction of the errors from believing official reports.

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    2. As Rhonda said above, it’s also not JUST about the pets. It’s just something that is rapidly becoming a flashpoint–the fact that a small Ohio town had 30,000 migrants dumped on them with zero acculturation and are expected to just take it is being repeated all over the country, and the people from those towns have been ignored by the powers that be. But we all know the internet was actually invented so people could watch funny cat and dog videos, so poking at that love of animals–on top of the other fraught things this election–has made even more people sit up and pay attention. It’s odd, but–if it’s working…

      And the dems screaming about how absolute DARE we be upset about this, and that we are all evilbadracist for it is having the precise opposite effect they want (because they’ve overdone that routine to the point that no one normal or not on their team CARES about being called racist anymore–we know it’s not true, and that they’re just trying to silence and control us).

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      1. Meme’s of President Trump grabbing cats (pussy) and ducks, and running to save them, is funny (whether it is because they are being stolen and eaten, or because being ran over by bad Haitian drivers who never should have been given licenses to drive). Trump doing the same to a child isn’t. Same concept. Not allowing the the reason both is happening is the point. But you can’t make saving children from being hit or killed in vehicle/bus accidents, which have happened, funny. That would be an exploitation of a horrible tragedy that never should have happened. What is alleged (for the record, where there is smoke there is fire, so true) regarding pets, while outrageously wrong, is not a tragedy, it can be exploited.

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  16. I’m a bit beyond caring, myself. On several fronts …

    Back in the day, when I was a college student – I put in a couple of years volunteering to help resettle Vietnamese refugees. Yes, those floods of mainly middle-class non-commie-symp South Vietnamese who legged it by any means in 1975. We formed a group through the church that my family attended, with a couple of other local congregations and a couple of social clubs … and signed up through Lutheran Social Services to sponsor some refugees. This was in the day when LSS wasn’t an NGO sucking in those sweet, sweet government dollars – but when it was expected that the local volunteers would seriously take care of the sponsored … find them jobs, a place to live, assist them to culturate, speak the language … basically, everything. And so we did – the families and the three unattached younger men that we took on — well, mostly — turned out OK. Ornaments to the community. Solid citizens, patriotic now as all get-out…

    I hate with a burning passion how this has turned into a profitable and uncaring business for LSS, and Catholic Charities and others. They have taken the government’s shilling, and basically dumped bodies hither and yon. They have been corrupted.

    As regards pets … in Spain, my daughter and I lived in an outer-ring urbanization that was full of summer rentals – and yes, there were cats who were taken in for the summer, and dumped when summer was over. I saw to getting a few of them adopted. And dumping the pets of deceased elders doesn’t just happen in other places … one of our dogs was one who we deduce was the pet of an elderly person, who was dumped by someone sorting out their household. Older small dog, well-kept, affectionate, well-mannered …suddenly appeared on the street in our neighborhood. Nobody knew or recognized him – but he adored senior citizens.

    That was so cruel – we thought. Poor wee little doggie – loosing his Special Human, his very familiar home … and then being dumped on a strange street. (We kept Connor until he passed from old age.)

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    1. Love Again Pets Adoption, local rescue is known for taking in senor’s pets, regardless of the pets ages. If the senor in question is losing their pet because being moved to assisted living and can’t take their pet, then the rescue tries for fosters that are willing to take their new family member to visit the old family member.

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      1. My father-in-law moved to assisted living, and they let him keep his dog. When he died, one of the staff members asked to adopt the dog. A decent place.

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        2. Depends on the size of the dog, the ability for the senor to handle and mostly care for the animal, and the type of assisted living the senor is going into. We have a couple of facilities not far from us where you see senors with walkers and wheel chairs walking their small dogs and cats.

          When MIL went into an assisted living apartment (her own furniture, or a small subset of what they’d had in the house) she could take their cat, but not the dog. But then the dog was a 10 year old Siberian Husky/Malamute cross (110#s). We took him in. (For reasons we had to assist him over the Rainbow Bridge within days. He was incurably sick. Even if illness hadn’t been ignored for months, and given what was going on, not putting blame on inlaws, and we weren’t there day to day, nothing could have been done.)

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    2. My Dad’s dog died of old age, and he went to the city pound to get another one. He picked out a chihuahua. Filling out the papers – bureaucracy and feeds – he found that the dog had been picked up as a stray, but it had been chipped by a local vet. The owner had been an airman at the nearby base, but could not be contacted. My dad, who was retired USAF and knew how to navigate the military bureaucracy, found that the dog was picked up a few days after its owner had PCSed – ‘permanent change of station’ – in another state.

      So, more than likely the dog was an inconvenience, so they turned it loose, got in the car, and drove away.

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      2. There’s worse. The Mutts storyline where they moved away and left the dog tied up has occurred in real life.

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        1. Pit Bulls and Parolees show complains about that all the time. Especially now that the show is no longer sponsored and on air. They have given up the New Orleans warehouse because they could not afford the rent without the sponsorship. They still get calls that dogs are getting tied up to gates of the warehouse. A problem before, but at least the dogs would be found sometime the next morning.

          We don’t hear of dogs getting dumped locally. Cats yes. That is how we got latest Buddy, he was dumped out at the golf coarse in the country. There are feral cat colonies around town (getting worse because the county shelter, and all the rescues are fuller than full).

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          1. Leaving the dog or cat in the house to be found by the people who clean up after you decamped because you couldn’t pay the mortgage. . . .

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          2. Earlier this week, someone found a group of German Shepherd puppies that had been abandoned on a street in LA County.

            And of course there’s the video that circulated around a while back of the guy who stopped to help a kitten on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere… and was surprised when a truly massive number of them came out of the underbrush to greet him.

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  17. including feeding VERY STARING kittehs.

    Wait, you mean Indy doesn’t have that covered? 😇😸

    Tell him that sharing is caring…..

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      1. And they are just WASTING AWAY, can’t you tell???

        I took the kittens I rescued back in May (at one week old) to the vet earlier this week for their last round of shots. One of them (the one with the deformed tail, which is now an adorable little stumpy thing with a serious poof of fur on top) is the busiest cat I’ve ever met (and possibly Indy-smart: I’ve caught him eyeing up the water fountain more than once). Little guy is SEVEN POUNDS (of solid muscle).

        But, you know, he–like the other cats–has never, EVER been fed, not once, EVER.

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  18. I think a lot of the reaction to this is to Kammy’s demeanor. “Oh, haha, cackle, eating cats and dogs, cackle! How amusing and plebian to care about people reporting their pets are missing, even though the city bureaucrats say those police reports are imaginary!! Besides, the eating dogs part cannot be so, Haitians are not Obama!!!”

    If she had said kept her stupid expression neutral and responded when it was her turn with something like “We take all crime seriously, and if immigrants commit any crimes we will continue to prosecute to the full extent of the law just like anyone else” even though that’s a lie then she would have gotten ahead of the immigrant murderers stuff as well, though letting said murderers in would still get swept under the Disney rug.

    But she could not control herself. The cultural memetic splash on this is an own-goal.

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  19. There’s always been an overlap between species that some Americans considered valid eating, and other Americans considered valid pets.

    But, the Americans who survived the other Americans knew how to mind their own business. PETA aside, they didn’t try to shut down industrial chicken farms because some dude thought chickens were people. And the people who ate frogs went after wild ones, not someone’s pet frog.

    The problem for the Democrats is threefold.

    One, they hadn’t prepped with propaganda about how you were supposed to be fine with Francisco deciding to munch on your Fido, or Fluffy, so the Dems hadn’t mindkilled themselves into being ‘okay’ with the latest round of abuse.

    Two, they were intentionally bringing in people unacculturated because they thought violence would ensue. They thought they had it all figured out, and had mostly convinced left people to mindkill themselves into tolerating the rape, the murder, etc.

    Three, they had been breaking their followers invisibly for years, with unpredictable results. The Biden debate? That was a surprise, because it broke invisible chains of ideas inside prior supporters. With the break having happened once, it was easier for it to occur again with the Harris debate, and the particular surprise of the pet eating.

    This is kinda a fractal example of the problems in the left theory of human behavior.

    (One element, not the most insightful point: They treat humans as either extremely fungible, or extremely distinct in absolute ways.)

    Anyhow, very definitely a surprise that was not accounted for. Might be an important surprise, early stage preference cascade, but not really essential to know that sort of thing early.

    The problem with “oh, an American, and mentally ill” defense here is that the Americans pushing the stupidest policies are arguably also mentally ill, and became so ill, or at least got much worse, during their training at university.

    There’s basically a budget issue involving how easy it is for a population to grow a lot more food than they need. If it is easy, and cheap, they can afford a certain amount of spoilage withotu going hungry, or also a certain amount of human destruction without mass starvation.

    Mental illness, healthcare, and support do have a bit of the same calculus. If you live close enough to the bone, you cannot afford to have your culture criminals, your culture mentally ill, or alien culture people stealing or destroying the food you need to survive the next period. Tolerating mentally ill with the right sort of destructive pattern to their chocies becomes about as safe as tolerating a rabid dog.

    Well, the mentally ill so called elites have done a lot damage, they might not have done near so much damage yet.

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  20. There is a reckoning coming that those who think credentials are everything are going to find quite shocking. And no, I don’t mean Kamala losing in a landslide so big that no amount of fraud will change it.

    People who know how to Actually Do Things are going to hold The Credentialed accountable, and test them to see if they know how to do any damn thing at all. The narcissists and sociopaths who think that marketingspeak and talking to the manager can change reality at their whim will find life Very Uncomfortable (or, in some cases, brief) thereafter.

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    2. Honestly, I am rather hoping for all of this, although I very much hope it can be accomplished without widespread violence or breakdown of the American social contract. (Esp the bit where Que Mala loses so bigly they can’t cheat their way out of it, or can’t without it being so incredibly obvious that it amounts to the same thing as losing–though that latter probably WILL end up sparking violence)

      Though I guaran-damn-tee that if the left loses, there WILL be widespread violence, because they’re gonna riot. What I’m less certain of is that the rest of us will give it the same paitence it’s had in the past–they burned that bridge (quite literally) in 2020…

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      1. I think the patience well is almost dry. It certainly is outside the major (blue, of course) cities, where literally everything required for existence comes from.

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    3. In the end it will come down to “put up or shut up”. And since the credentialed elite can’t do either it will become interesting.

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  21. I’m rather loath to endorse tariffs and if they start fining international cuisine … well, they’ll take my chopsticks from my cold dead fingers!

    When they outlaw burritos only outlaws will eat burritos!

    Give my vindaloo or give me death!

    Remember: Yankee Doodle called for macaroni!

    Gefilte Fish or Death! Matzoh matters, you! Praise the Lord pass the deli tray!

    Rgrds,

    RES

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  22. In my neck of the woods we have, so far, no feral Haitians eating our cats and small dogs. We do have owls and coyotes, and no small pet is safe wandering around outside in the dark.

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    1. We are 100% residential and county (within urban growth boundary, they’ll get us eventually, but they’ve failed for 64+ years, and counting). But, eagles, coyotes, cars, and residential rodent poisoning, are the dangers. We had let our cats roam wherever we lived until 2020, when we lost one to someone putting out rodent poison (secondary poisoning). For awhile it wasn’t safe to let the dog out in her own fenced backyard off leash. Rodents do not die immediately. She is back on the long line as of tonight, at night, because we have a possum who wanders through at night. Cats, 3 of the 5 (the other two won’t go) get supervised visits outside. Only one of the 5 has ever had free run (she’d go out, just she doesn’t want supervision). One of the 5 is a formal adult feral, not safe to let him out, supervised or not.

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  23. I can buy frozen ducks or geese at the supermarket. A cousin hunts wild fowl, in season. Deer are a plague on the land—some towns have engaged snipers to keep them under control.

    So eating waterfowl is common. Eating pets, not so much, but other cultures do eat dogs, cats, guinea pigs, etc.

    My local town would be apoplectic if someone dropped off 20,000 New Yorkers or Calfornians without warning.

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    1. My local town would be apoplectic if someone dropped off 20,000 New Yorkers or Calfornians without warning.

      Talk about rats with feathers … maybe man-buns and pork-pie hats.

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      2. Heh. I’m fairly sure us here in Wyoming would just boot them to some ghost town and say “enjoy your winter!” (for the record, *I* live in a ghost town, so it’s not like it couldn’t have running water/internet/etc) and the problem will resolve itself. They’ll hightail it outta here as soon as the interstate opens again… :D

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        1. Alaska, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Utah, Colorado, Eastern/Western Washington/Oregon, do not have to boot them to ghost towns. The weather will send them running. Guarantied they’ve never seen the snow some locations get. Even the areas that don’t get piles of snow, get dang cold, and it is a long way to anywhere, through worst snow, including the interstates.

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          1. That’s more or less what I meant. You can’t just throw them out on the open plains, so boot ’em to a ghost town (WHat? We made sure they had shelter!) and let the winter happen. They’ll run screaming. :D

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            1. Yep. For those who’ve never been. The open plains are worse than timber … That Wind!

              I swear I-84 across Idaho is uphill and into the wind, both ways!

              Also, least anyone think that the prairie is flat? It isn’t. Roads are, because every dip is bridged over, every little hill is dug through. Not mountainous, for all that the east approach is toward the different mountain ranges. But without the road improvements, the land would have roads that would rival less extreme roller coasters. Drive the prairie NW section of Waterton to Red Rock Canyon Parkway.

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    3. There’s the story of the university back east that decided to try a humane solution for the deer wandering around its campus. It gave birth control to all of the does so that they wouldn’t conceive. The problem, as they subsequently discovered, is that does that don’t conceive during the month when they’re in heat go back into heat the following month. And the month after that. And the month after that, until they finally conceive.

      Oops.

      Once the mistake had been realized, the university did what it should have done from the start, and hired bow hunters to deal with the problem.

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    2. Plus, there are at least a dozen places where civilization has already been destroyed, or mostly so: all those failed communist countries. Go build yer Marxist Utopias there. Should be easy, right? Half the job’s already done for you!

      (but it’s the only half they know how to do) (AND it’s the only half they WANT to do)

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      1. They’re a plague, like the aliens in “Independence Day”. Incapable of producing anything, they roam from one productive area to another, destroying, pillaging and moving on.

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  25. A while back I told a group of my players about the Muslim rape gangs in Rotherham. They were appalled, not at the rapes, but at my condemnation of them and even at my believing the reports. I particularly remember one of them (a woman, by the way) telling me that I should remember that these people came from a different culture. I thought it was ironic that many people talk about the United States having a problematic “rape culture,” but when these people heard of an actual, real rape culture their impulse was to defend it!

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      1. I really did like Summer Glau’s portrayal of Cameron.

        But, you know, appealing though such memes are (I remain a fan of Buffy Summers!), they do give rather the wrong message about ordinary human girls whose options for resisting such abuse are rather more limited. I think I find that troubling.

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          1. <sigh> I haven’t even rewatched Firefly since the full truth about Whedon came out…

            (Although as Whedon didn’t actually write most of Firefly, I hear, I *might* be able to rewatch. Maybe. I haven’t been brave enough to because I do want to keep my fond memories.)

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            1. Whatever Whedon’s personal…ummm…issues, Firefly is a good story of the individual against a vast impersonal and inimical government bent on stamping out dissent and individualism. As such, it definitely resonates for me.

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              2. This is true. Hilariously (and not particularly surprisingly) Whedon said the Alliance were the “good guys” (ie, bc Mal and co were technically criminals) and horrifyingly, he was dead serious. If that’s what he considers “good guys”…

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                1. It would be normal for a collectivist. Of course, that a collectivist could create and develop such shows as Firefly and Dollhouse, both of which are essentially anti-collectivist, seems a bit…strange, shall we say?🤔

                  Sort of like Que Mala writing a positive article for American Handgunner…

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                    1. It would certainly explain why he hasn’t put out anything in years. (Well, that, and his ex outing him as a predatory serial adulterer, and then some of his former Buffy and Angel stars backing up his creepy and bullying behavior. AND the folks from the Justice League cast backing up the same…)

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                2. That would explain why, when the Libertarian Futurist Society gave Serenity a Special Award, Whedon didn’t show up to accept it, or even send us an acceptance speech to be read. But you know, the LFS has long said that we give the award to the book, not the author. . . .

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                  2. Exactly as it should be; the best way would be author anonymity during evaluation for awards. But FWIW, the aphorism that even a blind squirrel finds the occasional nut seems to fit cases likr this one.😉

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      2. Yeah! I’ve read that some of the now available sexbots are like totally realistic.

        So. We alter the sexbot’s genitals somewhat, with a guillotine placed about halfway up the vagina. Randy rapist inserts body part, and, SNAP!!

        I have evil dreams when it comes to musloids.

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        2. In one of the Thieves World short stories from decades ago, three of the city’s residents – including the madame of one of the brothels – are visiting the city’s wizard. Before they can enter his residence, a spell is triggered that causes metal items to heat up.

          i.e. drop your weapons before you come in.

          The brothel madame quickly steps off to the side, reaches up under her skirt, and extracts a small unidentified metal contraption that had been concealed within her… uh… person. Literally.

          One of the other characters then observed that no one was going to have her if she didn’t permit it.

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    4. Long, long ago I matriculated at a Quaker College, a college which in its wisdom and benevolence admitted many a foreign student who originated in Africa. These Friends did everything to make those young men welcome and full beneficiaries of American Life in the Seventies.

      So it came as quite a shock when coeds would, from time to time, complain about sexual assault. Investigations inevitably would reveal that the young ladies had, like the sweet flower children they were, treated the African students with the grace and loving friendship they showed towards American born boys.

      The problem was that, in the cultures whence came the foreign students, a lass who behaved in such brazen manner was conveying a <I>certain</I> message which those coeds had certainly NOT intended to communicate. The differences between the signals intended and the signals interpreted was the source of these … awkwardnesses.

      It is prudent to not assume all cultures believe a kiss is just a kiss, a sigh is just a sigh, or that the fundamental things apply as time goes by.

      Rgrds,

      RES

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      1. It does not appear that the Rotherham case was anything like that. It’s hard to envision a culture where a routine procedure for securing a young girl’s favors is to pour gasoline over her and offer to set her on fire, or threaten to rape her mother.

        In this case I’m in favor of arrest and imprisonment as effective ways to communicate different cultural values and customs.

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        1. Yes and No.

          Within the tribe, that would be a Bad Thing.

          But since the girls were not Muslim, some “brands” of Islam might be seen to allow such garbage.

          Islam does have a strong element of “Only Muslims Are Real People”.

          And Islam developed an area of multiple tribes where “only our tribe are real people” was the mind-set.

          Islam was seen as the “Over-Tribe” so tribal differences was replaced by “he’s not of my tribe but he’s a fellow Muslim so he’s OK”.

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          1. It seems to be widespread. By reports these are not “refugees” from the Palestinian territories. Rather they’re from Pakistan, a country whose resentments are aimed more at India than at Israel. But they have the same horrific attitudes.

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            1. They’re “Asians”. So, using the British terminology, that means that they’re from in and around the sub-continent. Since they’re Muslims, yes, that generally means Pakistanis.

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          1. Or me. Arrest and imprisonment, especially with today’s system, are useless; no deterrent and no real punishment. Best to remove them from the gene pool. Humanely (torturing them to death is degrading for both sides) with a rope, a bullet or the headsman’s axe.

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            2. I’m opposed to having the death penalty for rape. If you assume that punishment has incentive effects at all, then if you don’t have the death penalty, the rapist knows that killing the victim makes him a murderer, who could be put to death, but if she survives, he doesn’t face the death penalty; that trades off against the risk of her testifying against him. If you have the death penalty for rape, then there’s no disincentive for the rapist going ahead and killing the victim.

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              1. I can’t really argue with the logic; my only caveat would be that I suspect such logic doesn’t enter into what passes for the thought processes of rapists or casual murderers; if they had any idea they might get caught they’d probably think at least twice before deciding it was a bad idea. But they don’t, and probably don’t really think rationally at all.

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                1. If you don’t suppose that such people respond to incentives, then there is no point in having punishments for their actions, because such punishments will not deter them.

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                    1. Also, I’d note that while it’s to be hoped that execution might discourage others from committing the same crimes, based on historical data that’s unlikely. Sufficient that, as noted above, the possibility of recividism is eliminated when the criminal is definitively removed from society.

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                    2. It should be kept in mind that capital punishment does not preclude recidivism in certain criminal acts. Evidence indicates that political campaign contributions and unlawful voting are common post-mortem actions.

                      Rgrds,

                      RES

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                    5. It’s something like half a dozen fewer murderers per execution. The shorter the time between the murder and the execution, the better.

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                    6. One of Thomas Sowell’s books (can’t remember which one off hand–sorry) noted that studies that show “little or no deterrence” from the death penalty were based on whether a death penalty was on the books or not. Studies that accounted for whether the death penalty was actually used had different results. A death penalty on the books has little effect if it’s never actually imposed.

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                    7. “Evidence indicates that political campaign contributions and unlawful voting are common post-mortem actions.”

                      🤣🤣🤣

                      Very astute!

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                    8. “…half a dozen fewer murderers per execution.”

                      I assume you meant “murders”…

                      While that number surprises me a bit, it doesn’t shock me. IIRC something like 90+% of felonies of all sorts are committed by recidivists, many still on probation or parole. And the revolving-door “justice” now common in many (if not most) big cities is making that number grow. Behavior that’s rewarded increases. :-x

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    5. Funny how it’s always Americans (citizenship or culture, if not both) are the ones that are supposed to adapt to or accept other cultures unquestioningly, but those other cultures are in no way obligated to adapt to or unquestioningly accept the American one.

      When (not if) it gets to the point of the nation as a whole saying “screw you a-holes, we’re done subsidizing the rest of the planet”, things are going to get ugly.

      President Buckman (Tom Kratman’s Caliphate) ugly.

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      2. “When (not if) it gets to the point of the nation as a whole saying
        “screw you a-holes, we’re done subsidizing the rest of the planet””

        ………………..

        Personally? I’m there now.

        No more government free shipments of food.

        No more governmental supplement of non-profits that provide services in other countries, including non-profit donation tax breaks.

        Heck. Do not want our military bases? Fine. Pull out. Level the place. Oh? Don’t like that? Pay for the US to maintain the base and staff it.

        As far as foreign debt? At a minimum China can go hang. Any where else? Would it be so bad if the US couldn’t get “credit” and had to balance the budget every single time? States must. So must the Federal Government.

        I have one exception: Israel

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        1. Personally, I’m in favor of no government subsidization of ANYTHING, foreign OR domestic, period. If you can’t make it work without the gov throwing taxpayer money at it, then it doesn’t work and you’d better find another solution!!

          (I include, most especially, student grants in this.)

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        2. I remember when Trump started talking about pulling out of Germany, and the howls of outrage within Germany started. Based on some of the arguments being made by the Germans, there appear to have literally been Germans who believed that the American military bases in Germany existed solely to provide work to German civilians.

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  27. When mom came to America from bass-ackward Hicksville “outhouses are an upgrade Brazil*” , a small church sponsored her family. In my own memory, individual churches sponsored a few “boat people” families from Vietnam (My dad was one of their rescuers). Housing, language-learning, work…

    Not fedgov or effingy NGOs: real people who knew them.

    So believe me when I say that if you can find a Christian community to welcome and support you, I am all in on your attempting to become a fellow American or at least a non-voting neighbor. I will make sacrifice to help.

    The rest can FIoFO with extreme prejudice.

    The gravity-assisted correction, I leave to those who brought you here.

    *These people Portuguese, Pomeranian, Vietnamese were civilized, and in evert case better value than either our urban Negro or country Cracker population. But that’s a different discussion.

    **No reference, but a counter: Maybe we deserve Haitians, because the meme that got traction was the MAYBE dead kitten, not the probable murdered kid.

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    1. Maybe we deserve Haitians, because the meme that got traction was the MAYBE dead kitten, not the probable murdered kid.

      Nah. Hard to make memes about dead kids. Outrage is powerful, but humor is in a whole ‘nother weight class.

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    2. Humor is guaranteed to set the leftists screaming–witness their reaction to the pet memes–and so get much wider traction. I think it’s not that no one cares about the murdered, but the truth is, we’ve been howling about those murdered by illegal aliens for YEARS and got nothing but sneers from the left. Make funny memes about Haitians eating pets and Trump saving them? Screaming so loud they can probably hear it on the space station–which means that more people are suddenly paying attention to it, and some (maybe even many) of those will start looking more closely, and THEN they will notice the murdered people they hadn’t heard about before (because the leftist media did their best to ignore it). Cue them getting as angry as we are about it.

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      1. That is what I said (somewhere). Memes about pussy and ducks, while outrageous, are hilarious. Memes about murdered women and children, is tacky. However, memes that are hilarious that bring the outrageous tragedies to the forefront? That build the anger that is required, and needed? Brilliant.

        Now, were the memes we are talking about meant to do that? Or were they meant to embarrass President Trump and those making the claims? Who cares? They failed. Oops.

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  28. BTW, there are ONLY 12 to 15,000 Hatians abruptly translocated to this town. Only. The numbers online have been “exagerated.” 6000+ have registered for medicaid and other assistance. It’s all misinformation (yes, the article did use that word) and racism.

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    1. Funny, a man living in Springfield who used to be in the ‘refugee’ resettling business was on the Jesse Watters show and said that it’s more like 30,000 illegal aliens. The Biden* Regime keeps dumping more on them.

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      1. The article I found obviously bothered to interview only well vetted liberals, with “good people,” “compassion,” “racism” and “misinformation” thrown around liberally. If you’ll pardon the pun.

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    2. (horrified face) Wikipedia tells me that the 2022 population of Springfield, OH was 58,106. That level of “immigration” is an *attack*! (ok, yes, the malice is not a surprise)

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      1. Even if only the lowest estimates are true, yes, it is an attack. That’s upwards of 20%. The equivalent of 70 million people being dumped into the United States.

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          1. From a recent meme (paraphrased):

            “There is no record of you anywhere in the US, and I have a backhoe.” :twisted:

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            1. There’s other variations of that meme that will be in play once things get bad enough.

              “You ain’t from around here.”

              “Speak ‘merican or die”

              “Looks like you are a registered Democrat…”

              “Dual citizen? No such thing now.”

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            2. Which is why they are signing them up over the internet by scanning faces…. so there will be a record. They figure they’re the only ones who can access it, right?

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              1. There’s still no actual record of them, so if they disappear it will almost never be noticed except by (possibly) their fellow illegals. And with no “record” other than a snapshot, and usually no record at all of where they went, who are the authorities going to look for, and where will they look? Backhoe (or shovel) time.

                Disclaimer: This is, of course, all theoretical; I would never condone such a thing.😉😎😎

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                1. “We know that they came in, we know where we dropped them off, we know the debit card we gave them was used in these places until it wasn’t…..”

                  The clues will be there whenever someone has a reason to look.

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                  1. “We know someone (actually, thousands of someones) came in. All we have for ID are photos of them. We dropped them off somewhere, but with no real identification of them we have no idea if they’re still there, and no way to find out. We know the debit cards we supplied were given to them, but we have no way to find out if they still have them or if they traded them away to other illegals we also have no way to trace. We have no idea who they are or where they are.”

                    That about cover it?

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  29. i work with a buncha lefties, these people just dont get it. If the money wasnt so good i would quit, but then i would end up just working with other lefties most likely. Will be quite satisfying when everything goes to schitt on their watch, ill just grin and say todyaso. Then ill quit

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  30. The cats are not the problem. The cats are the symptom of the problems. One of them is the absolute ferality of Haitian culture and “society.” Another is the wholesale rejection (not just by immigrants, but by the Left en masse) of any thought of integration with, or assimilation to, US society at any level. And another is the smug, compulsive, Gaslight Message system we’re made to put up with from both “The Press” and nearly the whole of government at all levels.

    But the cats have been confirmed, even though that video was in fact up the road in Cranton, OH, and not Springfield.
    https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/canton/ohio-woman-eat-cat-canton-police-bodycam-footage-arrest-springfield/95-204df879-5de1-4a07-9aab-10d19aca3ba4

    As far as the Local Contact:

    BJ Newman · September 9th
    Well, since I work in the Ohio city that is presently all over the news, I suppose a few words are in order. (When I type in the city name, Facebook seems to be blocking it.)
    For those of you not following, two local Catholic charities have contracted with the federal government to relocate “refugees.” (I use quotes, because the local Haitians themselves are telling folks they were recruited for work.) This is publicly disputed, but the evidence is overwhelming. Regardless, at present, 20k Haitians now live in an Ohio town of 60k residents.
    The results are predictable, and I can confirm the stories are true.
    Traffic accidents involving Haitian drivers has skyrocketed – property damage, hit and runs, and more. One kid was killed when a driver slammed into a school bus filled with kids.
    Petty crime is out of control. Stores are locking down merchandise due to rampant theft. Driving without a license is ubiquitous.
    The schools are chaotic. The local district has had to spend north of $300k on translators. I spoke with a teacher who said there is not nearly enough room in the existing buildings.
    The real estate market is also crazy. A friend of mine in real estate said that most of the Haitian families have banks cards from somewhere with $20k ear-marked for buying homes. The market was already tight, but now the prices are soaring.
    Don’t get me started on the hospitals.
    And, yes, the stories about Haitians killing and eating neighborhood cats and ducks from local parks is true.
    I know situations like this are complicated politically and culturally, but what I get most frustrated about is when people call this kind of policy compassionate.
    There is not an ounce of compassion in this situation for either the immigrants nor the citizens. The citizens are being ignored, and the immigrants are being manipulated by deep pockets somewhere.
    It benefits the politically connected elites and business class, and nobody else.

    And as to where it comes from, Mrs. Ben Dorr has something to say on that front:

    Ben Dorr · September 12th

    My wife did missionary work in Haiti before I met her. She traveled there and tried to make their world a better place. She saw and learned things that are hard to stomach. Things that are coming to America from this country and others across the world. Below is her story of what she experienced.

    WARNING – Portions of this should not be read by or to children.

    ———————————————-

    When I was in my early 20s I spent a short time in the mountains of Haiti. Let me share some of what I saw and learned there.

    In Haiti anyone who can afford to builds a wall around their house, and they make the wall flat on top with shards of broke glass and razor wire cemented into that surface. Often times these walls were completed before the houses inside them had finished being built.

    The grocery stores are all guarded by hired security with long guns. You don’t go into stores to browse, because if you go into a store and walk out without buying something it’s assumed you stole.

    Children were taught by these missionaries in schools not to kill everything that moved…because the fauna of Haiti has been utterly decimated by this behavior. One of the missionary ladies got excited to see a bird in the sky as this was an uncommon sight.

    Power companies would pay men to knock down wires by day that stole energy being delivered by people not paying but piggybacking with their pirate wires, and people of the village would pay these same men to hang the theft wires up by night.

    When accepting orphans into their orphanage/home (it was more of a permanent home for these kids than an orphanage) the missionaries had to be careful who they selected because it was not uncommon for mothers just to drop off their whole family of kids because they wanted a new start with a new man.

    By far the worst of all the stories shared by the missionaries is of the sounds heard nightly of fathers r*ping their daughters, children born by incest of to young girls, and the helplessness of the missionaries to do anything but shout at them from their neighboring house to stop when hearing the awful cries of a daughter being r*ped. No law enforcement cared, no one tried to stop it.

    Perhaps most important (to the evangelical excited to evangelize these newcomers to our nation) was the fact the missionaries informed us it was very hard to convert Haitians as their inclination was to “accept” Christ but then synchronize Christianity with their voodooism.

    We are horrified over here by some things that are being done. But this is “normal” for many cultures and many cannot begin to understand that. It’s not that their third world and poverty drives this, it’s that this behavior drives much of the third world poverty.

    You are not just going to be able to take the tiger out of the jungle, put it on welfare, and expect him to act like a kitten now. That’s not how it works, that’s not how heritage and ancestry behaves. If immigrants keep pouring into our nation, our pets getting eaten is going to be the least of our concerns.

    Do these people need Christ? Desperately. But if you are rejoicing at them arriving here as a means of providing Christ to them you are rejoicing over the loss of the virginity of your daughters and the lives of your sons.

    Race is more than just a concept, culture is more than a people living in one place, and we are simply going to be hampered and turned into lunch by our civility as we import more and more of these cultures into our land.

    Be offended if you must, but show me where I’m wrong. Wearing the title of “Christian” does not mean we have to accept this behavior or the people perpetrating it into our nation or hearts. Radical thought, I know.

    Sorry for the Walls of Text. But it’s a record that needs straightening, and if we have witnessed the first-hand accounts, even if we’re not the first-hand witnesses, we are up-armed to defend the truth and plug the gaslights for those who have been sniffing them.

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    1. The only timer in its history when Haiti had halfway decent government was when the Marines were running the country. Otherwise it has been dictatorship and voodoo all the time.

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  31. <BLOCKQUOTE>The truth is that the left howls racist or white supremacist because — as usual — they confuse race with culture.</BLOCKQUOTE>

    They scream that because they are racists but, because they are in their minds “the good people” that can only mean everybody else is more racist. They cannot imagine a world in which people are less obsessed with race than they are.

    Back in my insufficiently mis-spent youth the Saga of Johnny Rebeck, illustrating Americans’ peculiar attitudes toward pets, was commonplace at campfires where America’s youth learned many useful and/or interesting things:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzp2gQtSeag

    <BLOCKQUOTE>There was a little Dutchman,
    His name was Johnny Rebeck.
    He specialized in sausages and sauerkraut and such.
    He made the finest sausages you ever did see,
    One day he invented a wonderful sausage machine.

    Oh, Johnny Rebeck, How could you be so mean?
    I told you you’d be sorry, For inventing that machine.
    Now all the neighbors’ cats and dogs will never more be seen,
    They’ve all been ground to sausages in Johnny Rebeck’s machine.

    One day the darn thing busted, The darn thing wouldn’t go
    So Johnny Rebeck climbed inside to see what made it so.
    His wife she had a nightmare. She walked in her sleep.
    She gave the crank a heck of a yank
    And Johnny Rebeck was meat.</BLOCKQUOTE>

    Rgrds,

    RES

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        1. 2. One day a boy came walking, came walking in the store,

          He bought a pound of sausages and dropped them on the floor.

          The boy began to whistle, he whistled a lively tune,

          And all the little sausages went dancing ’round the room!

          All the versions I’m familiar with have it as Johnny Verbeck, which is apparently an actual Dutch surname. If you’re doing “Rebeck” you should probably spell it “Riebeck” or “Riebeek.”

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          1. As with almost ALL campfire songs there are as many variants as there are campfires. Also, the spellings tend to be iffy because the songs exist as oral tradition. I agree that Riebeck is a likelier spelling, and the version I learned included the second verse you list with the minor variant in the third line of:

            “The boy began to whistle, he whistled up a tune,”

            I was rather surprised at how few versions of this turned up in response to my search. It seems likely some folk group ought produce an album of Camp Songs … although I suppose once you cover Sweet Betsy From Pike (with all the verses) and Barnacle Bill the Sailor you’ve filled the CD.

            Rgrds,

            RES

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              1. I’m fond of the scene in one of S.M. Stirling’s novels where Mary and Ritva Havel sing a lovely song in Sindarin—which is later revealed to be a translation of “The Ballad of Eskimo Nell.”

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                2. I think I remember that; it’s been at least 10 years since I read the early part of the series.

                  It may be time to do it again…😁

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                  1. A regular re-read for me. Both Nantucket, Emberverse, and Conquistador. Been awhile, Hmmm. To Turn the Tide is in the roster, now, too.

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  32. “In fact, things have been bad for so long in Ohio that even attempts at turning it around are impossible. And would probably fail. The island has been a wreck…”

    I know Ohio is a lousy place to live, but I didn’t think it was *that* bad. Or an island.

    :P

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    1. “things have been bad for so long in Ohio” (I think you meant Haiti)
    2. “feral” is used to mean “savage,” but it really already mostly means something domesticated that has reverted to wild. For “feral children,” it means raised by wolves or or chipmunks or something. Generally, even though a lot of people use it to just mean savage.
    3. Japanese are pretty potty about their pets.

    They are not surviving on just pets, so they know how to use their EBT cards. They also know that what they are doing is not what others do. Yeah, maybe they are not accustomed to the meats in the Safeway, but good grief you are making excuses for them.

    I agree that it has nothing to do with race, but you also seem to undersell culture. Culture runs very deep in our thoughts and actions and I think Portuguese is not too far from Anglo compared to many other cultures so maybe you are thinking that you had culture shock when you came to USA, so maybe they do to. OK, but this is not about food or manners, it is much deeper. Some cultural difference are very hard to change, even with many generations. Nearly impossible if you import 20,000 and put them in one town.

    You also undersell the charity issue. The pols are taking — stealing — the culture, community, safety, schools, social services, taxes, secure dollar, etc. etc. and they are profiting (through increased value of their assets, graft, virtue, etc.) by putting immigrants into these towns. They are lowering wages, destroying community, and destroying our economy. They do not do this in Martha’s Vineyard! Or any of the towns populated by “their class.”

    This is theft. It is theft of an entire country for the benefit of The Party elite.

    Why are we paying immigrants anything? They will (as shown in many studies) be a net drain on our national fisc. They will get more in lifetime benefits than they ever pay in taxes, even the 2nd and 3rd generations! What they will do is buy a lot of stuff and employ a lot of gov. workers and make the country more dependent on The State. (Sorry, I am just ranting, but this is madness and the entire country should be screaming out the windows!)

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  35. Maybe a rant, but true nonetheless.

    Someone sent a bunch of busses to Martha’s Vineyard. The residents objected and if I remember correctly the NG was called in to get them out.

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    1. It was only one bus. The Leftroid elitists had a cow.

      It was a great idea, but they were thinking too small. Red-state governors and mayors should gather hundreds of buses and ship thousands of illegal aliens to D.C. Drop them off in the neighborhoods where the left-wing congresscritters and elitists live. Then go back for another load.

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  36. I like what JD Vance said, when he was asked about encouraging the cat memes. He replied that no one cared about the devastation the illegals had brought to Ohio until they started eating people’s pets.

    The Springfield, Ohio child that was killed by a drunk Haitian driver received no wall to wall press coverage. But the cat memes infuriated the media because they went viral. They resonate. They remind us all of what we’re up against.

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    1. It’s because the left CANNOT abide being mocked–and the memes are absolutely mocking them. The memes are funny, because they’re true (and also if someone had tried to use a dead kid in a meme…well. It wouldn’t be funny. Pets–much as we love them–are not humans.) I swear, the only thing that is going to save us all by destroying the left isn’t violence (though that might have to happen, too) but mocking them. I cannot *believe* how much even the relatively mild mockery of these cat memes infuriates them into screaming SO loudly that people who hadn’t heard about the dead kid(s) (because the left made sure it wasn’t reported widely) are suddenly noticing.

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  37. Well, we’re at Step 2. They’re calling ‘illegal aliens eat pets’ a Conspiracy Theory.

    At this point, when the Leftroids label something a Right-Wing Conspiracy Theory, I take that as confirmation that it’s true.

    We’re always running out of Conspiracy Theories because they keep coming true.

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  38. I hold on to this one (possibly small) hope: that even if/when the convulsion of violence happens, there will still be more than a few Americans who KNOW there will be too many innocent people targeted, and do their damndest to protect them/get them into hiding or somewhere safe. Even if it means being vilified or attacked by their own “side.” We’ve done it before, after all, throughout our history.

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  39. We are all one race, the human race.

    Well except for the Jews who are the chosen race.

    But everyone else is one race.

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    1. The Jews aren’t a “race” in the sense of genetics. There is some genetic inheritance, sure, but there is more to do with choosing to be chosen. Otherwise they wouldn’t allow conversion. (They merely discourage it.)

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      1. We are suspicious of converts because, seriously, how nuts do you have to be to *voluntarily* take on all of the obligations of Judaism as well as joining the most discriminated against minority in history.

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    1. I can see the progression now:

      Don’t listen to Conspiracy Theories about Soylent Green. They’re all Right-Wing Disinformation.

      Soylent Green is just one option. You don’t have to eat it if you don’t want to.

      Eating Soylent Green is Good For The Environment!

      Refusing to eat your Soylent Green is Eeevul! and probably RRRAAACISSST!! too!

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  41. This has everything to do with race because there’s a genetic component to nation. These people are incompatible with America. I live in Ohio and I worked at a facility that bussed these people in to work because we have such a labor shortage because everyone is either to lazy to do anything or has literally no motivation to do it. This is what happens when you break the nuclear family and encourage nonsense like women working. You over saturate the labor pool by adding double the amount of workers while simultaneously slowing down the birth rate. This necessarily means that you will require invasion from other countries to do the work because you are not having enough children to keep your jobs functioning. This is also why international free trade is an abomination because it requires that labor flow freely between nations. This is why wages stagnated for 45 years. This will not change until people realize that America is for Americans and a piece of paper or geographic location does not make you American.

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    1. Bullshit on a genetic component to every nation. Did you just come from the 19th century?
      We now know better. Europe is as much a melting pot as the US and for that matter Africa isn’t much different.
      Nations PRETEND to have a unified background, but it’s largely bullshit.
      You’ve disqualified yourself from talking about race now or ever.

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      1. Every “immigration” throughout history has led to warfare on a massive scale. This is indisputable. Europe is now a festering shithole because of this melting pot stupidity and it is burning because it’s leaders cannot rightly identify what the root cause is or they just do not want to because they benefit from the chaos. By your logic you could just go and get a piece of paper made saying you were Japanese and I would have to believe it because there’s no genetic component to being Japanese at all. I mean they don’t have any genetic specific traits at all. I sincerely doubt Hoyt is a traditional Nipponese surname. Your commentary shows a severe lack of knowledge or historical context of any type. Or economic literacy. Maybe get back to us in a decade when you have actually gotten caught up with what the actual problem is. This is why Russia and China are having much greater success than the west is. Because they understand a nation is it’s people not it’s dirt. Probably why China stopped allowing foreign adoptions of their children. I wonder why they would do that?

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        1. Your error in in thinking it’s race. It’s not; it’s culture. Which is why acculturation results, after a couple of generations, in people who are indistinguishable culturally, even if they continue to look Japanese, Bantu or Inuit. Race is not a biological concept, it’s a shorthand (and frequently inaccurate) descriptive of skin color and some other minor features.

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          1. Except that no where in history has this ever been the case. Culture is downstream from genetics. This is why the cities in america have become shitholes. It’s not because they are overrun with Americans. They are overrun by different ethnic groups. This is why culturally homogeneous nations thrive and ones that allow this nonsense get thrown by the wayside. China has been a mostly independent nation for almost 4000 years. It’s not because of culture it’s because they are chinese and don’t tolerate this stupidity. This is the demographic version of DEI workplace policies. Diversty is not a strength in the workplace nor is it a strength in a nation. In the workplace diversity has led to lower quality, lower aptitude and lower productivity. It has done the same thing on a national level everywhere it has been tried. When you allow the third world to come into to your house you shouldn’t be surprised when they shit on your carpet. Apply that to America. I would invite you to please show me one example in history that proves this wrong. The only thing that is historically significant about Americas immigration invasion is that massive internal war has not started yet.

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            1. Sure. The US, in the period from the Founding until the past 60 years or so. Multiple “races” from many different cultures, all became acculturated as “Americans”. It was noted in a novel that the Irish and Italians came here, and 2 generations later the only difference is that one group had better beer and the other had better food. The same thing happened with Orientals and Africans (after slavery ended). Acculturation.

              Or for a second example, the Roman Republic (and later, Empire). People from all over the known world came to Rome, acculturated and were Romans 2-3 generations later.

              The problem now is that the invaders are not acculturating, and the Leftists who want dissension and (probably) civil war like that just fine, since it suits their agenda.

              If you think that middle-class Blacks and Orientals aren’t as American as anyone whose ancestors came from Europe, and more American than the white Leftists currently trying to destroy the Republic, you’re simply willfully blind. Or an agent provocateur, in which case you can go make violent love to your fist.

              Have A Nice Day.

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                1. Noted in a novel. A fiction book is being used as primary source reference for this argument tells you all you need to know about it. The Irish were conscripted here as slaves through england for crimes committed and were laborers mostly and died in indentured servitude. You are also equating assimilation between genetically basically the same type of people, English Island and Germanic peoples to Haitian and European. This is like saying a duck might integrate with a goose and then later conflating that to mean a duck can integrate with tiger shark. The level of retardery on display in this chat is astounding.

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                  1. “A fiction book is being used as primary source reference for this argument”

                    No, idiot, it’s not; it’s a note regarding common knowledge. Refute it with data, including references, if you can. Hint: You can’t, bacause it’s accurate.

                    The rest of your post is, as Wolfgang Pauli said in a different context, “not even wrong”. Look it up, if you can (previous posts by you make that unlikely).

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            2. DUDE. No one is saying anything about diversity being strength. BUT people have immigrated all the time in history without war.
              Even mass immigration. Provided the host country chooses them and gets rid of trouble makers.
              You never heard about it, because there was no trouble.
              Stop being an idiot.

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            1. Then why do people in India shit on the side walks in India and America? I hope you are one day able to help some migrants “integrate” into America. God speed.

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              1. Apparently you are new around here and do not realize that she, herself, PERSONALLY went through acculturation having come from Portugal? The fact you couldn’t recognize this takes a wrecking ball through your whole premise of race being genetic and acculturation impossible.

                People who CHOOSE not to acculturate continue to be a problem, but it’s not a genetic problem. It’s a choice. Genetics are, by their nature, not a choice of the person who possesses them. Currently our idiots in charge are incentivizing NOT acculturating. Which is where most problems modernly, and historically come. Doesn’t make it less a choice.

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                2. No one outlier doesn’t change the totally of recorded history and the fact that this person came here and is benefiting from the American way does not mean this is a good policy for a nation. In fact the idea of promulgating this is borderline treason. It’s why people in government are not supposed to have dual citizenship, even though that’s not enforced at all. Or we would have about 100 people that would be hung in front of the white house for treason. This argument is as asinine as saying that because I raised a wolf since birth and it is domesticated in my house we should let all wolfs be in everyone’s houses because my one wolf is domesticated. Then, after a bunch of people get killed, we blame them for not allowing the wolf to assimilate properly.

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                  1. About the only thing you have said that is truth is that no one who holds dual citizenship should never be high in US government.

                    For the record, Sarah has noted she returned her passport when she attained her American citizenship, nor did she pursue dual citizenship for her children (what Portugal thinks is non-material).

                    I am not as eloquent as Sarah, WyrdBard, or others, who have already taken you on. But enough already. So here it goes.

                    As for “who founded the US at the beginning?” Yes, those I can recite easily have English appearing names. (I have ancestors who fought with Washington, they didn’t sign the declaration.) Those that signed were representatives picked by their various colonies. Honestly I wouldn’t know if any were non-English or not. But I do know that the armies of the revolution were filled with ranks of not only English, but French, Dutch, German, Spanish, some natives, and others. As the country spread across the continent, more French (or did you forget the Louisiana Purchase?), more Spanish (throughout the SW), Chinese (west coast), eventually more Irish and Scottish (who I guaranty do NOT consider themselves English, being one, FWIW, my family has been here since around 1645). Since then the US has accepted not only former southern slaves (any one who says US culturally raised blacks can go live in Africa and survive is suggesting they commit suicide), South Koreans, Vietnamese, Cubans, and other refugees, or just those who wanted the freedom, the US Culture, and Opportunities of the US Constitution. US Culture is not genetic. Not even close. Why do you think different areas of the US have different ethnic flavors? Individuals raised in those areas, pick up that culture, even Chinese adopted as babies from China. Not genetic. It is all culture united by one underlying principle that is called the US. It is not easy. It is messy. But the US has done it and will continue to do so.

                    Other countries, have not done this. Not England with the Scotts, Irish, and Welsh, for all that they are on the same island and technically part of the same country. Nor has Spain/Basques, and other sub-regions. Which is why sudden influx of refugees causes problems faster than in the US. The US has a history of absorbing refugees of different cultures. Other countries do not have that history.

                    Not one of us here reject emigration or refugees done correctly, with the note that creating enclaves (be it Irish, Italian, German, Vietnamese, Chinese) slows the integration progress, but never stops it. What the democRATS are doing is dumping. They are setting up the Haitian, and other current refugees to crash and fail, hard, because the refugees are being told they can hold onto all of their culture, when this is 100% false, there are aspects of their culture they must lose (don’t know what, but like all imported refugee cultures, I am sure there is some things the US culture will gleefully appropriate). It is unfair and cruel to both the refugee victims, and the community and citizens where they are being dumped. The democRATS are expecting shock troops when everything crashes. I suspect they will be sorely disappointed, especially given where the dumping of these particular refugees occurs. When it crashes their victims won’t stand, they’ll cave, they do not know how to stand.

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                  2. You asked for examples which refuted your claims and were given multiple examples. You ignored them and continued posting unsupported assertions. You are a troll. And not very bright. GTFA.

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                    4. Meh. This is mostly because I’m away from home this weekend, I’m trying to finesse something very difficult before the kids’ wedding, and I don’t have patience.
                      AND the idiots are calling attention to themselves on Twitter, too. I can take the time to beat them properly, or mock and block.

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        2. Oh, pfui. This just proves you have not studied any real history.
          There was massive immigration to France after WWII. It caused nothing.
          You are basically cherry picking history and making up stories that are so wrong they’re not even in the same universe. Perhaps you’ve been listening to ideologues? Or where you are they don’t teach history only nationalist myths?
          And thinking that anything China does is rational to the west just puts the seal in your ignorance and stupidity.
          China stopped adoptions because they became convinced the west was taking their children into slavery and making them look bad. THAT’S IT.

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          1. ” convinced the west was taking their children into slavery and making them look bad”

            ……………

            Sarah! *Shame😂😂😂, shakes head. China was half right. The West was making China look bad. The west was taking in infants that because China was causing infants to be thrown away due to their one child policy and, if the world is honest, China economic policies, that meant families couldn’t afford more than one child, even discounting the penalties for having more than one child. How did the west make China look bad? Under western freedom, those children Thrived away from the China culture (proof that culture is NOT genetics or sex, given most the thrown away were female) with their adoptive families.

            (* You know I’m laughing with you! Right?)

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            2. Another good example; thanks.

              Groups large and small have immigrated into various cultures for various reasons, and many (not all, but many) were happy to adopt the culture of their new land, and did just fine. Another example is the Jews, who have immigrated nearly everywhere for over 2000 years, and did very well in those cultures that accepted them. And they usually acculturated without losing their group (not “racial”; they’re no more a “race” than Mexicans. Or New Yorkers.) identity, itself quite an accomplishment.

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        3. Russia and China having greater success rates? At what? Crumbling their infrastructure and undergoing demographic collapse?

          Dude, whatever you’re smoking, I want some, because it is the gooood stuff.

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      2. The US has never had a genetic type. Not for centuries. Not even the first Americans (closer with all the intermingling from raids and counter raids. New discovered history however is telling a tale that they weren’t as isolated from, northern Europe at least, as previously believed.

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        1. yes they did. It was predominantly English people who came here from England and founded a country. That’s what the American stock is. At least according to widely accepted history and all the founding documents of the nation. I don’t see any nippon or Swahili names anywhere in the founding documents do you? So yes there is a genetic component to what an American is. This nonsensical idea that diversity is a strength is complete nonsensical rhetoric that is used by people who are either a. Historically illiterate morons or b. Using it as a diversionary tactic for the obvious benefit of division and chaos. This is why most of the world outside of converged western countries are starting their own economic system called BRICS now because they have rightly identified that a nation is its people and allowing nonsense like the west allows is counterproductive to a functional long term society.

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                    1. Your knowledge has been given to you by McGraw and Hill textbooks. Mine from legitimate historians with actual research and observational skills. I mean someone in here actual thinks that jewish people have the highest intelligence on average anywhere. If you actually looked into that claim you’d realize that it was one study done on 15-20 jewish people one time. So it’s a non statistically relevant sample size and was a totally invalid experiment from the start. It’s not surprising that nonsense like this would be spewed in here. I hope you all have a great time trying to integrate these people into your households and neighborhoods. God bless.

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              2. Look at his phrasing. The only people I see using “converged” are Venereal Disease and his compatriots.

                Which explains the sheer mountain of stupidity.

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                1. Yep. Say it fast. :-D

                  I don’t think ‘Blurple’ was even reading the whole blog, just popping off inane abusive responses to the automated E-mail messages. A troll, and an asshole. Or what Larry Correia calls a Common Internet Shit-Gibbon.

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              1. And of course, the majority English country is SUCH a beacon of liberty. (Rolls eyes.) And note to idiots who’ll say “that was mass immigration” they started this road after WWI.

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            1. Then why was the constitution not translated into french and german when it was written? I’m sure they just deferred to the english people who wrote it. You are an ass who has no historical context at all. You probably think the country was built by slave labor too right?

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              1. Because the people who wrote it were trying for a common language, having seen what multiple official languages would do.

                They had brains.

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                1. Could you site any source for this please? Could you also explain why all of Europe still uses separate languages still to this very day as well? I mean up until the early 1950s there were different speaking subsections of major cities in America. So this obviously is retarded conjecture by you.

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                    1. Ahh so deflection when you got caught bullshitting. Ok. There’s plenty of documents corroborating that these people did not change their names before they arrived in America or after the constitution was signed. God bless.

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                    3. Well go ahead and prove me wrong then. Show me one culture that thrived for thousands of years that’s multiple different races in the same place without any type of division amongst the society at large. I mean there’s really only two maybe three nations that old. China, India, maybe some in the middle east. Really diverse areas those places.

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                    5. Since he’s obviously just come on shift, and is going to spam us with a comment a minute for the duration of his 8 hours shift, I have blocked the vatnik.
                      Note I’m assuming he’s being paid. He might also be a freelance crazy. Don’t care. It’s all authoritative statements and foot stomping. He’s not amusing, and he’s gone.

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                1. Yes it does matter because it’s a bullshit narrative just like the idea that immigration is good for nations. It is a direct analogy to make a point of the ludicrous concept that people assimilate to the land because it is magic based on it’s geographic position. This is nonsense and is used to make morons happily open their borders.

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                    1. It’s not racial at all. It’s a simple observation that genetics plays a role in nations and that historically nations getting converged fail. No one in this entire thread has presented any argument against it either. Just more appeals to authority that are baseless nonsense. I hope you get the chance to house some of the assimilators though. God bless.

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          3. NAMES? You’re actually going on names? Son, people change names for any number of reasons, ESPECIALLY if they are migrating for Reasons ahead of the headsman’s axe.

            If your brain was antimatter, the explosion wouldn’t blow a gnat’s nose.

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            1. No, this is actually the type of argument these idiots make.
              I almost choked laughing at the guys who said Portugal was great when its royal family was blond and blue eyed, and now they’re misoginated, blart, blart blart.
              They were going on…. royal portraits. Let me explain. None of the kings were in any way Portuguese. All of them were related to other royal families more than anything else!
              THE ONLY GREAT ROYALS — Henry the Navigator — who did something actual useful for the country were the result of marrying the daughter of John the Gaunt to a byblow of a royal and a young Jewish converso girl.
              The hybrid vigor and Jewish genes kicked in, and the kids were geniuses. They were also as far as we can determine swarthy Mediterranean kinds.
              But no, these people make entire racial and civilization theories out of ROYAL PORTRAITS. It’s like building a transatlantic bridge out of soap.

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              1. Well what evidence are you going on? You are claiming that migration has been a positive interaction for nations with literally less evidence than these people have used for the basis of their deductions. There is no evidence of what you are proposing and actually profound real time evidence that you can observe in any city in America that it is completely wrong. As far as a royal portrait being the basis for making an observation that’s not out of the ordinary at all. You ever see what crime scene artists do for a living and what that’s used for when they make composite sketches of suspects? They can do quite a lot of detective work on far less of a picture than what these portraits are. Like I said previously Martin Van Creveld, largely considered one of the greatest living war historians, stated through his own research that “Immigration is just slow invasion”. He was completely correct in this assessment. Maybe you should become familiar with his work. Then maybe you won’t embarrass yourself with retardaries on a public forum.

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            2. No kidding. I went to grad school with an Conservative Jewish gent with the most English last name you can imagine. We got to chatting about religion and ancestry. His great grandfather got through Ellis Island, found the closest English name to the core of their very Eastern-European name, and legally changed to that. “So it will be harder for the Cossacks to identify us!”

              We agreed as how it was a very understandable decision, and world view.

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              1. So you think people that jump from country to country changing their names are reliable sources of anything honest? Wow.

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            3. Well what evidence do you have that they changed names? Like I said, the stock of america was english settlers hence why they wrote english names on the founding documents. It’s not a hard concept to understand and since you use things like antimatter, which is unproven pseudoscience at this point by people who admit to not using the scientific method at all, it doesn’t shock me that this is slightly above your intellectual capacity to understand.

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                1. Well there’s historical records of certain individuals who left the english empire in england came here and then went back and their names never changed once and they also signed the constitution. There’s literal ship logs and registers from ports in both nations. So nice try but like i said you are talking through your own ass.

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                    1. Ok this is complete gibberish. It is an exclusive set. It’s people signing a ledger on two separate continents with the same name multiple times. This is called primary evidence moron. Unless your argument is they all were forged you’re still an idiot but that argument would at least be statistically improbable but not impossible like your previous one is. There’s no correlation to anything in this. They signed documents in multiple locations multiple times. Are you somalian?

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          4. “converged western countries”

            I only know of one place where that phrasing is common. Do say hi to the Volksdeutch Expatriate, would you?

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  42. BTW, a group called the Kifness has put out a kind of reggae version of, “Eat the Cat,” mashing in Trump’s, “They’re eating the dogs. They’re eating the cats,” and showing Harris laughing. Any money they get from streaming will go to various animal charities.

    It will definitely cause earworms.

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    1. Meme videos released:

      Relabeling the dog car commercial with the parent dogs driving the car, puppy in backseat child, er puppy, booster, going by the big truck with the bulldog driver, puppy in back pumping leg to get bulldog driver to pull the horn. Only instead of the car commercial of “Dog Tested. Dog Approved.” Get “After the Debate. Dogs fleeing Springfield Ohio.”

      Cats in armed services combat gear (multiple versions with different services) and weapons, headed to Ohio to rescue pets.

      DTJ is not in a single version.

      Found through reels on FB which means Instagram postings. Can I search and find them on You of Tube? Of coarse not.

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  43. When you drop no-trust feral humans in a high-trust society, conflict results. This is war.

    You can’t save these people from their culture when they don’t have any concept of a viable culture that plays well with others.

    It’s like Palestine. You would have to take the babies from the family before they acquire any cultural identity of jihad.

    And when they grow up, they might end up like Colin Kaepernick and reject the culture that saved them.

    And the sad part is there’s only two solutions to resolve this problem without letting it fester for decades to come.

    Send them back or worse. :(

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=252028

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  44. I keep half an eye on the ‘mainstream’ news, just to see what they’re saying.

    Everything Trump says is labeled ‘false’, ‘lies’ or ‘conspiracy’, even the ones that have been confirmed and re-confirmed.

    None of Kackling Kamela’s lies are called out. The most embarrassing ones simply disappear.

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  45. OK, here’s a guide to knowing what’s true and false. It’s not 100%, but it’s probably 80%.

    If you don’t know whether something is true or false, if it’s bad for the Dems it’s true. You can’t tell whether it’s true or false because the media is suppressing the truth and creating distracting ‘facts’ to try to make it appear false. That’s why you can’t tell whether it’s true or not.

    So there’s four of these all told. Here they are.

    If you don’t know whether something is true or false:

    a) if it’s bad for the Dems it’s true.

    b) if it’s bad for the GOP it’s false.

    c) if it’s good for the Dems it’s false.

    d) if it’s good for the GOP it’s true.

    So are illegal Haitian immigrants in Springfield, OH eating pets?

    Per (a) above, probably.

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  46. Two quick comments, the commiecrats don’t give a damn about killing babies, why would anyone think they would care about their feral locusts (brought in by them) eating anything they can catch?

    If haven’t figured out why all those invaders are being given driver licenses, think about how convenient all those licenses are for creating fraudulent commiecrat votes.

    And Sarah, you might want to consider the racial characteristics of the majority of immigrants allowed into the country prior to that(*%&%% Hart-Celler immigration act in 1965. The majority were mostly white Europeans which was why by the 2nd generations they had mostly assimilated into the existing culture.

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      1. Would you prefer that I had said “Caucasian or European”? Perhaps because previous iterations of immigrants didn’t get the same treatment as these later ones? With the .gov assistance these later ones had no need to assimilate? Unless they wanted to – which most saw no need to..

        And FTR we had a family of Vietnamese move in next door right after the end of that war. They were right out of the Thai camps with a 4y/o daughter who spoke 3 languages(Thai, Laos, Viet). Anyhow, she learned enough English to get by before she started school with our daughter. She went on to become a police officer. Ths was before the democraps and the courts decided that immigrants didn’t need to learn English and assimilate.

        And while we are talking immigration you might also take a look at how the Hart-Celler act reset the quota system insuring that going forward there would be a massive demographic change in this country’s racial makeup. What the commiecrats are doing now is just the final stage of what they started back in ’65.

        And by the way in my career with the DoS, I have spent time in many foreign countries and only in the western countries are foreigners allowed demand privileges reserved for native born citizens. That’s working out real well in France, England, Germany, Ireland, U.S. etc. . .

        As the saying goes, “TINVOWOOT” sure wish there was. I’m old and it’s late.

        Stay safe out there

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        1. I will point out there are other issues. We stopped importing people whom we might need. Like educated to things the country needs, like technicians (except on H1B visas, and that’s different) eat. Instead we’re importing 3rd world ILLITERATES.
          Look, it’s not the race. it’s culture.
          AND you have no idea how often I got yelled at for not teach the kids “their native culture” meaning Portuguese. (Even though their dad is from CT and his ancestors have been here from the beginning not counting the ones who met them at the shore.)
          I get the frustration. It’s just not RACE.

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          1. We’re getting the ones their home countries don’t want. The ones that don’t contribute to a 3rd world economy. The criminals, the crazies, the shiftless layabouts.

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