Why We Still Believe There Was Election Fraud in 2020 – Tom Kratman

Posted on by Sarah A. Hoyt

(This is an older writing of Tom’s, but I thought it was still worth looking into. From the questions you can tell it’s from before the ongoing disaster of the Biden Junta, but if it was ever published — he’s not sure — it was on twitter. So I thought it needed wider dissimination.)

Why We Still Believe There Was Election Fraud in 2020 – Tom Kratman

So why, after all this, do so many of us _still_ believe the election was stolen?

In the first place, there are two things we mean by “the election was stolen.” They’re mutually reinforcing, yes, but they’re not the same. The first of these is via the influence of media and social media. It was not illegal for them to have been Biden’s campaign, but they _were_ Biden’s campaign. What that means, in practice, is that they used their privileges under the first amendment to violate the intent of the first amendment. I say “privileges,” by the way, rather than “rights” because by their conduct they have undermined the first amendment to the point we can calmly consider killing it, as regards the media, as so many lefties want it to be killed for the common citizenry. It no longer serves its purpose.

The second factor is our belief that actual spurious ballots were introduced into the system by both mailing in and other means. And the numbers were not even that large; Trump “lost” by about twelve thousand in Georgia, eighty thousand in Pennsylvania, and under twenty-one thousand in Wisconsin. Let’s not pretend that those were particularly difficult numbers to have illegally come up with.

But there’s not a shred of evidence…the courts…

Look, friends, we live in the age of MiniTru and Comrade Ogilvy. We have precisely zero sources of reliable direct information. Don’t believe me?

Answer these questions:

1. What was on Hunter Biden’s laptop?

2. What party and philosophy ruled the states that drove United States’ Covid stats into the stratosphere?

3. Who took the blame?

4. How much evidence did there turn out to be of Russian interference with the 2016 election?

And, conversely:

5. How many Arab states has Israel recently signed peace treaties with?

6. Who got NAFTA replaced with a treaty that more carefully guards US workers’ interests?

7. Who hasn’t gotten us into any new wars?

8. Under which presidency did the United States regain energy independence, so we DON’T get into any new wars?

9. Why are illegal immigrants largely going or staying home?

10. And how much do we hear about this: USPS worker charged with dumping ballots, as mail carriers perform extra trips before Election Day | Fox News

And, if you don’t know the answers to these, ask yourself why you don’t?

Moreover, why did Facebook and other social media suppress any notion of election fraud? One doesn’t need to suppress a lie; “a lie will not stand.” There’s only benefit in suppressing “inconvenient truths” (to steal another fraudulent Democrat meme).

Of course, when you control the media, a lie most certainly WILL stand…if it’s your lie.

Instead, we are thrown back on secondary increments of data, because the left isn’t clever enough – well, not YET, anyway – to have doctored those. (“Call for Comrade Ogilvy from Democratic Party Headquarters! Comrade Ogilvy please pick up the red phone in the lobby…”)

Among the secondary sources of information are:

The railroading of secession through various Democrat-run southern states by careful selection of those who would be allowed into the secession conventions.

Tammany Hall.

“Vote often and early for James Michael Curley.”

The Battle of Athens and the E. H. Crump (Democratic Party) political machine.

Cook Country, which is to say, Chicago, 1960.

Princess Nudelman, the dead goldfish (yes, I know the fish didn’t cast a vote. What’s important is that someone TRIED).

Look at the heritage.org election fraud map.

In short, election fraud is so completely a part of the Democratic Party and the left, more generally, and has been for so long, that it would only be remarkable if there were a close election where there wasn’t any. We expect it. If we can’t easily see it, we expect it to be only because it’s a little better hidden than usual.

The Democratic Party is and always has been a party of corruption, heavy on power, short of or bereft of principle. The only difference between it and any given sub-Saharan African kleptocracy is in the shade of skin.

But what about the courts?

No, wait; you didn’t know that the legal profession is up there – or down there – with college sociology departments for its tendency to lean left? You didn’t know that coming up with direct evidence is often quite difficult? Investigations take years to uncover single instances of discrete bank fraud; we’re expected to find evidence of massive voter fraud quickly? See below.

Then, too, one might well wonder just _which_ John Roberts it was that visited Epstein’s pedophile island. Epstein didn’t waste his efforts on nobodies, you know; oh, no, he turned over the use of his harem of barely post-pubescent teens to the already powerful and the up and – you should pardon the expression – comers.

I don’t know that it was him. I will not insist it was him. I want to see an honest investigation into whether or not it was him.

Of course, to be more fair than he probably deserves, Roberts probably does think he’s heading off a civil war. He’s wrong, of course, as Roger Taney was before him; he is bringing the war closer and ensuring it will be worse.

Difficult to come up with evidence? Enter the mail-in ballot, a positive Godsend for would be election fraudsters. Just think about what’s required to prove effective fraud on that scale. It’s not the mere one hundred and thirteen thousand vote that allegedly swung things in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Georgia.

We’re not talking here about railroading Jefferson Washington Lincoln III, the small-time dope dealer and occasional fence. Oh, no; this is a much more – an infinitely more – difficult problem.

For one thing, the investigators would have to scrub the voting rolls themselves. Then they’d also have to scrub the obituary columns and social security death register for the last century or so…or three. Add in the birth and naturalization records. They’d have to match not just the one hundred and thirteen thousand votes in question, but every mail in ballot AND every other ballot too. (No, the mere likelihood of most of the fraud coming via mail does not rule out more traditional methods.) And they’d have to do all this in a country that has an automatic revulsion against keeping and consolidating those very kinds of records, and often where the government in charge of the states in question will interpose every possible obstacle. And all of that with MiniTru ensuring that no adverse information ever sees the light of day.

Has anyone put that kind of effort into the investigation? No, they have not. Hence, with the best will in the world, the courts had not enough to work with. Hence, none of the investigations can be said to be valid. No, none of them. Neither can any of the court decisions, even where legally sound – and they were not all legally sound; Roberts, you swine, I’m looking at you – are dispositive, either.

So forget it; the information coming from the media is doctored and dishonest, with anything contrary studiously suppressed. The investigations were trash. The court’s refusal to hear cases prejudiced where not just outright unconstitutional.

Now some ignorant toad is going to scream, “Conspiracy loons! Conspiracy theory!”

Not on your life. People are not competent to conspire at this level, while Biden, cowering in his basement, certainly wasn’t. No, no; this is not a conspiracy but a consensus or, rather, several of them. A consensus exists when similar people, with similar values, backgrounds, and educations, see similar issues and problems, similarly, and come up with similar programs and solutions. A consensus doesn’t rule out conspiracy (“Adam, should we introduce spurious bit of bullshit X as people’s exhibit A, for the impeachment trial?”) but doesn’t depend on it either. It was sufficient in this case for enough middle and lower party workers and sundry activists, plus the media and the vile and filthy denationalized rich to a) believe that the only legitimate directions for the United States to go were further left, more globalist, less nationalist, more feminist, less nativist, etc., b) to recognize the promise of mail-in ballots, c) to deny for themselves that any principle is more important that continuing to move in those directions, and d) a resolve to do it, each in his or her or s/h/its individual capacity. No, Facebook did not conspire with Twitter; there was no need. No, X judge didn’t conspire with the Democratic Party; there was no need. No, Buffet and Bezos and Billzebub Gates didn’t conspire with Soros; there was no need. There was no need because they share a consensus.

And, so, no; we do not have any faith in the election results. Nor will we have, especially since we are quite certain that election fraud is now the way of the future. Soon to be President Harris (does anyone, anyone at all, have any illusions about that? Did anyone, ever? I have no more doubt of it than I have that she gives the best blowjob in the world, if the payoff is right) will never be considered legitimate. And she, and we, can expect everything from civil disobedience to nullification to riot to resistance in arms until the war commences. (Bet you didn’t know that the South was not the only region the states of which engaged in nullification.)

139 thoughts on “Why We Still Believe There Was Election Fraud in 2020 – Tom Kratman”

  1. If there ever was a time since I was born (1953) that I was afraid for my country, it is now. I know there are a great many out there who feel the same. The question is: knowing the steal will happen again, and that the powers that be will do everything in their power to deny it, to shame us into accepting the results and jail us if we do not: WHAT DO REAL AMERICANS DO ABOUT IT? Is anyone in this country ready to go to the mats in order to have their country back? What will YOU do?

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    1. Oh, jail us if we do not. You know, that’s the quickest way I know for this whole thing to go hot kinetic. I’m both expecting it, and not looking forward to it.

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      2. Very not looking forward to it. Still hoping for a miracle in November. BUT even if the miracle occurs, they’re still going to crash the economy HARD on their way out. So this winter will be bad.

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        1. Madam Hostess I fear they have already crashed the economy hard through rampant inflation. Their proposals for insane things such as taxation of unearned capital gains would only accelerate things. The inflation of the 70’s starting in Nixon era (mostly due to war spending and acceleration of entitlements) that continued through Ford, Carter and even early Reagan took a decade to get under control. The only thing that even vaguely mitigates is that of all the Basket Case Big 20 economies we are probably the least f’ed up. China is Potemkin villages all the way down. Europe hasn’t had major economic developments or innovation since the 70’s Japan and Korea have no workers in a generation or two. Russia is worse off than most African countries and that’s a challenge. Brazil has chosen to be a Cuba Wannabe. Maybe Argentina might go somewhere, but it had been really screwed up for most of my lifetime and there’s no promise that some idoit won’t steal the next election and send them down Brazils path. Britain seems to be turning into Airstrip One, Ireland isn’t controlling immigration and Australia somehow stopped wanting to go Waltzing Matilda and has elected politicians that are directionless and gutless (a trend in all the Anglosphere). New Zealand is in the middle of nowhere. has primarily sheep and natural beauty as its saleable items and has politicians that make the Aussie ones look like Testosterone crazed alpha males. India seems to have brief spates of rationality and then reverts to internal fighting as if it were some sort of societal manic depresive.

          Sad to say I think we and that miracle you talk of are the worlds last best hope. Somedays I wonder if the Author really enjoys writing cliff hangars.

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          1. I don’t dispute how badly off the economy is, but they’re keeping the illusion of its being alive through a series of hard lying, including phantom job postings.
            They will remove the illusions the minute Trump wins.
            And yes, one hopes the Author allows us a save. Amen.

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            1. Amen and Amen. Can’t hurt to ask him and I can’t imagine much of the other side is asking him for anything as their fondness for Baal and Molech is well documented. Things seem sufficiently dire that this nice protestant/baptist boy might consider asking St. Jude for help :-) .

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                1. Hmmm. I can’t recall anyone being hurt by HIM for asking HIM for help. Hurt by others for asking HIM, but never by HIM. And HE always seems to answer with either: Yes, No, or Not Yet.

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            2. “one hopes the Author allows us a save. Amen.”

              ……..

              Amen.

              Because if America sneezes the world catches pneumonia. As you have provided sources time and time again, the US feeds the world. If we can’t feed ourselves, we can’t feed the world.

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              1. Oh, it will be just like the Irish Potato Famine, the dems will feed the world while starving us. I suspect that’s their plan, to get rid of the useless eaters (conservatives/Republicans).

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                2. Indeed. And as most of the folks who grow the food ARE conservative–or at the very least pragmatic enough to grasp that crippling farming is a Bad Idea (I’ve a coworker–and friend–who is pretty damn leftist, but she hates the idiots who witter about “wind energy” and want to cripple farming and ranching as much as any person with two brain cells who lives in the Rocky Mountain West). And 99% of the dems haven’t got clue one about actual food production. When the Potato Famine happened, the Powers that Were back then were still pretty well up on where food came from, and in a position to ensure THEY wouldn’t go without. This is not the case here.

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          2. <QUOTE>”The inflation of the 70’s starting in Nixon era …”</QUOTE>

            I regret the pedantry, but that started on LBJ’s watch and as a result of LBJ’s decision to simultaneously engage in a War on Poverty and one in Vietnam. It was exacerbated by Nixon’s actions (e.g., the 1971 abandonment of the Bretton Woods Agreement) but he didn’t start the fire.

            Rgrds,

            RES

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            1. True that LBJ’s actions are the likely source. It really didn’t become obvious until early to early 70’s when Nixon tried Wage and Price controls. To be honest my grasp of political things pre Nixon is weak as I was in grammar school through the late 60’s and paid little attention to anything news like except the space race.

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  4. See also Larry Correia’s take on the 2020 ‘election’:

    https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/05/the-2020-election-fuckery-is-afoot/

    There’s a followup post 4 days later, but WPDE gets testy if a comment includes more than one link. These are thoughts from a former accountant and auditor, who knows a thing or two about fraud.

    When was the last time counting was ‘halted’ in the middle of Election Night? Only in states the Democrats HAD to ‘win’, all at the same time? Hmmm, let me see…NEVER!! Not during the Civil War. Not during World War 2. And how, pray tell, did we get from Trump leading by 800,000 votes before the ‘halt’ to Biden ‘winning’ when counting was ‘resumed’? They must be using a definition of ‘halted’ that I am not familiar with.

    Somehow, all of the ‘irregularities’ in the 2020 election benefited the Democrats. Every single one.

    “There’s statistically improbable, and then there’s ‘violates the fundamental principles of the universe’ improbable.”

    As for Pennsylvania, right on their official government web site they showed that they sent out 1.8 million mail-in ballots — and counted almost 2.6 million. How could they honestly count 770,000 more ballots than were ever sent to voters? Well, of course they couldn’t. That’s proof of massive election fraud right there. Add in the ‘pallets full of ballots in the middle of the night’, the voting machines that were designed to rig elections for Hugo Chavez, and Cook County’s perennial graveyard vote, and we don’t just believe the election was overturned by fraud, we have evidence.

    Which nobody is allowed to look at, or even mention.

    “If you’re not allowed to talk about election fraud, there’s election fraud.”

    I read that there were 133 million registered voters in November 2020. Trump got 74 million votes, and Biden supposedly got 81 million. How? Those two numbers add up to 155 million!

    But arithmetic is RRRAAACISSST!!! so we’re not allowed to use it.

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    1. “I read that there were 133 million registered voters in November 2020. Trump got 74 million votes, and Biden supposedly got 81 million. How? Those two numbers add up to 155 million!”

      Any time this topic comes up, my father say pretty much the same thing. :-)

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        2. Does it say “registered voters” or “eligible voters”? Because ‘eligible voters’ is everybody over 18 with a pulse. A significant number of eligible voters don’t bother to register. Of course, a lot of ‘voters’ without a pulse ARE registered.

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  5. The thing that strikes me is we cannot fight the Ds by fighting the way they do; they’re heavily entrenched and very experienced at it.

    We need to find ways to be asymmetric, approach them from angles they don’t know exist, much less are strong at.

    A relentless, autistic adherence to the law is definitely one of those angles, as well as guerrilla journalism James O’Keef style seems to be another.

    I wonder what more we can come up with?

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    1. The major problem with the journalism warfare is the lack of trust in ALL publication and audio-visual media. And that is one of the things the MSM + the Statists have deliberately engineered.

      Show me one journalist in the entire world who will say, “Show me one instance where I provided incorrect information to you, and if I don’t retract it when you confront me with it, you can kill me.”

      That’s the level you have to go to to provide any trust in the news today.

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      1. Journalism as we knew it is dead, but the O’Keef stuff of finding someone involved in something they ought not to be and recording them rambling about it for an hour or two is very illuminating.

        I’m thinking more of the folks who argued that if the D’s do it, we should always do it harder and more.

        It’s not Queensbury Rules anymore, but just because the left can do it effectively and get away with it does not mean that we can or that it will even work for us at all.

        Like when the Soviets built tons of ships, the UK built Buccaneers and ship killer missiles.

        The left controls the machine. We need to be the worms in the cracks.

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          1. And its why Democrats have been cheering the way Brazil and France are going after social media companies and the people who run them when they refuse to act as instruments of the state.

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    2. There’s a reason all the leftists are having a ginormous hissy fit and trying to censor the internet (they’ve never really stopped, of course, but they are ramping it all up again ahead of the election). They definitely didn’t anticipate that angle back in the early 00s, and still haven’t recovered from it. (I agree with our hostess: they are being extra noisy and insane because they are losing. They may cheat this election, but in the big picture, long term? They’re toast, and they know it. Even if what comes after we don’t much like either, they’ll still be toast.)

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        1. Consistency is a characteristic of rationality, which should tell you all you need to know about WP.🤔😜😜

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  7. Goodness, Mr. Kratman is rather restrained in his statements. I wonder what he really thinks.

    [tries to switch sarcasm off; discovers he blew out all the circuits cranking it up as high as he did]

    Republica restituendae, et, Hamas delenda est.

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    1. I think Mr. Kratman did an excellent job with today’s post.

      Name a half dozen people who you’d like to see around a table discussing where America is, where it needs to go, and how to get there. (Sarah can referee.)

      I’ll start with two nominees: Tom Kratman and Larry Correia.

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      2. Yep, it’s an excellent post. And the most important points (IMHO) in it all involve the phrase “there was no need”. I consider that to be the fraternal twin of “don’t ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity”. Ignorant twits with a consensus explains so much…

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          1. Yep. So many appropriate epithets; so little time. Sort of like the weapons of the Spanish Inquisition…😉

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          2. Makes me wish we still had a code duello, then these morons’ mouths wouldn’t write checks their asses can’t cash.

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  8. During the last great unpleasantness, there were not nearly as many actual pro-slavery Americans. A lot of the issue was state autonomy.

    Judging by how the Pandemic went we do have about 1/2 the country willing to enslave and/or silence the other 1/2 by any means necessary, state autonomy and personal freedom not even considered. Slavery for all in the interest of equity and not killing grandma! But in the interest of killing unborn grandkids!! And if you know what’s good for you, keep your mouth shut.

    We’ll see if the inability to afford to pay for groceries and a place to live at the same time has opened any eyes.

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    1. Hurrah, someone who is NOT onboard with the Pious Cause absurdity! (Wars don’t happen for ONE reason, and neither did that one.)

      I do note that a lot of zealot-type D-badged persons were babbling about state autonomy, states’ rights and even secession during the Tr_mp term in office. Suddenly those topics became anathema once B!den stepped into the Maison Blanc.

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            1. My deepest apologies.

              I did not mean to cause a forbidden topic to be brought up, which is why I referenced it rather obliquely.

              My point was to say that we have 1/2 the country agreeing with what is basically slavery to the government in all things, when the last time things got sporty there weren’t nearly as many slavery apologists.

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              2. We don’t though, Susan. Take heart. The polls are corrupt and so is the voting. They wouldn’t fight so hard for fraud mechanisms if they didn’t need them. Maybe 25% of the country agrees with slavery, and most of them are mentally ill or brain washed.

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              3. What Sarah said. It isn’t actually 1/2. I don’t think it’s even close–it’s just what the MSM tries to sell (actually, they’d like to sell it’s 2/3 or more, but even they haven’t–quite–reached that level of stupid…yet)

                I am getting a chuckle out of the Usual Leftist Arse-Kissing Suspects in the MSM choking a bit on Kamala’s few stated “policies.” If nothing else, they recognized a sure fire “this is gonna end up with us all lined up against the wall” situation developing. They’re not scared enough to actively defy the narrative, alas. But they might be inching that way. (Still don’t trust ’em, never will again, of course)

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                  1. Not really reusable, because I want to see tarred corpses on the lamposts along Constitution Avenue as a stark warning to others with similar notions.

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                2. When kids (between 18 and 25, if I remember correctly) all believe that the Alphabet zex (ALGBTQXYZ) is somewhere around 30% of the population and that blacks are 50%, there’s a serious problem with what they’re being sold. Not only with the MSFM, but with the education system.

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                  1. “all” is a dangerous generalization, I think. We only see or hear about the noisy crazy ones on social media and the internet, but there are signs of a swelling, quiet rebellion in Gen Z against the lunacy. It’s a hard slog for them, *because* they have been so very maleducated by the schools–but they are also the most technologically savvy in terms of having grown up breathing the modern internet and social media, and they have the means to get around blocks thrown up to keep them from the truth–and while I haven’t got strong proof of it, there are, as I said, signs in places on the internet that indicate that more and more of them are starting to do it. It helps that many of them are starting to have kids of their own by now, and that–unless one is utterly bonkers–tends to change one’s worldview. Will it be enough to save them? Not sure. It might save their kids, though.

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                  2. Well, the letters group has been expanded to the point where it’s everything but The One Standard, so that’s actually not unbelievable. (If nobody can tell from the outside that you are a certain thing when you aren’t hiding it, and therefore it does not lead to any problems or harassment, does it really belong?)

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              4. The *governments* of something less than half the states are pursuing subjugation with enthusiasm. But as Sarah said, the polls are cooked and fraud has been the progressives’ main constituency for some time now. My experience here in WA leads me to believe that the people of said states may be less enthused about it than we’d think.

                The eastern 2/3 of Washngton state (and probably quite a few pockets of sanity on the west side too; Lynnwood and progressive Bellingham, less than a dozen miles apart, are night-and-day different politically based on the evidence of billboards and yard signs) would LOVE to get shut of the corrupt and stupid Seattle Blob. A proposal to split the state polled at over 70% support in 2018 and might even have made it to the legislature if political persecution and (but I repeat myself) the covidiocy hadn’t killed it.

                Oregon and California have a lot of unhappy and unwilling passengers on the progtard train, too. Is it so different in Michigan, Minnesota, New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Colorado? I don’t know, but maybe not.

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                  1. If you put walls around every deep-blue city and separated them politically from the state each is (supposedly) part of, you’d have a sudden increase in red states. Maybe to all of them.

                    Alternatively, stop sending food, water and power to those cities; it would shake itself out in a couple of weeks.

                    Yeah, I know neither is even remotely possible, but it illustrates that it’s the unproductive (in any real sense) parasites which are the source of the problem.

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                    1. Honestly? The constitution says every state must guarantee a republican form of governance.
                      Right now, in counting by people, not regions, most states are DEMOCRACIES. This should be easy to fix.

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                2. I can’t speak for California. But I can guaranty Oregon has a lot of disenfranchised (was going to use a different word for “upset”, but this works better) east, southern, and coastal, locals. But even the I-5 northern corridor, there are pockets. Very long pockets in the Willamette valley if you look at the Hwy 99 corridors both west and east of I-5 cities. Even greater Portland, just what you can see along Hwy 30, Hwy 22, and Hwy 20, (latter two go into greater Portland) all of which I’ve driven recently (not counting the cut off windy roads). All based off the political signs along roads. They are not signs for Mala and Walz. 100% Trump/Vance. We’ll see. We aren’t holding our breath, not after OR initiative 114 passed. Not with voter fraud, er mail in voting, baked in. What we have to pray for is the almighty has his hands on the scales, and those who would commit fraud, won’t/don’t, whatever.

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                    1. Oh, I think the fraud could be removed, although one might have to (in the case of Oregon and similar states) redo the cake entirely (ie, via state constitution amendments and similar). But any attempt, no matter how feeble, by ANYONE to try and remove the fraud is stamped into oblivion by the dems. They don’t WANT it removed–that is, I think, very different to being UNABLE to remove it.

                      It’s rather like the swamp critters in Washington and term limits. Funny how they can vote themselves pay raises easily enough, but somehow voting in term limits is just “impossible” don’t ya know. ;)

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                  2. I’m praying that those who commit the fraud either do so with such incompetence that either a.) it fails (rather like in 2016), or b.) it’s SO open and stupidly obvious that, after the obviousness of 2020, people aren’t willing to just let it slide again.*

                    (*obviously, this is a far distant second preference to a.)

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                    1. I am afraid that those who are doing the cheating are under the belief that if they do not do this, they are dead. The problem is, they will be the first ones line up in front of the firing squads by the ones they are cheating for. They have to be. “If only Stalin knews I’m here ….”, “Oh, he knows ….”

                      Faint chance but if enough can have the courage to not follow through on cheating … for a chance at life.

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                  3. I can speak for California. Get away from the coast and it trends pretty red—and yes, I’m counting “blue” Sacramento because most of that blue comes from politician imports. After all, this is where “State of Jefferson” started back in the 1940s.

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            2. No brawling unless you’re playing by Queensbury rules. No kicking, biting, hitting below the belt, no weapons. Brawlers must wear regulation gloves and mouthguard in addition to a decent pair of boxing trunks. No speedos! Referee’s decision is final.

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              1. Queensbury rules? For what, chess?

                Once upon a time, a jackass was explaining to the other guy how they would fight. As jackass spoke, the other guy busted him in the mouth and down jackass went.

                A young me was most impressed. Lesson learned.

                Last clown tried to mug me got hit on the E in “gimmie”. Can’t think of a real fight I ever fought even remotely fair.

                Tyson bit off an ear. -That- is a -fighter. (grin)

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                1. If you’re playing a game (prizefighting, pro wrestling, MMA, etc.) you play by agreed-upon rules. If you’re actually fighting there are no rules. Nations (some), per the Hague and Geneva Conventions, agreed to rules; any bets on how many times those “rules” are violated in actual combat by the troops on the ground?

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  9. My own view of the 2020 election is that the Democrats selected The potato in chief because they were look at Bernie being the head of the ticket as no one else was getting traction. If Bernie had gotten the nod they could NOT have frauded him in even with the obvious hijinks in PA, GA. AZ etc. Bernie would have lost taking perhaps 100-150 electoral votes (CA, OR, WA, New England except maybe NH and ME, IL, NJ, HI , Maybe NY maybe WI/MI ). So they got Biden in with subtle promises to the other candidates (You don’t think Bootie Boy got Secretary of Transportation for his skills did you). With moderate tweaking (and the MSM covering for them) they “Elected” Biden. Biden is a guy who just wants his 10% and mostly does what is told as long as the ice cream keeps coming. This “success” has made the Democrats even lazier than before. They have realized they DON’T need a demagogue/strongish leader like Obama and they really don’t want one. They don’t want Khrushchev (or heaven forbid) Stalin. They want Andropov or Chernenko, old, doddering, not too swift and willing to be stage managed as long as they get their 15 minutes+ of fame. Biden filled that spot until his decrepitude became obvious to even the most ignorant. Kamala (Hence forth Que Mala) certainly fits the not too swift and willing to play along to a tee. They’ll try to fraud her in with the same dirty tricks in swing states where the control the big cities.

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    1. She’s not playing along as well as they’d like, though–she’s SO stupid and disliked, they’re struggling to keep up (obvious AI photos of her “rallies”, her spouting stuff STRAIGHT out of the Lenin-Stalin playbook that has even some of the more hardened lefties in the media going “Whoa, hold on now, that’s a bridge too far” while she obliviously continues on.” They aren’t letting her get away with no interviews JUST because she’s an idiot, but because they’re worried about what she will say.)

      And having pulled this trick once with the veggie, I don’t think it’s going to work as well attempting it again with Que Mala. Not that they won’t try, and not that they won’t, alas, succeed (I also am praying for a miracle. We got one in 2016, after all.) But 2020 was when the economy was still good, our borders weren’t wide open, and everyone was distracted by the COVID insanity. I note, with some amusement, that they are trying to gin up monkey pox again. Which is an STD, more or less, that affects a pretty specific group…it didn’t gain any traction the first time, only mockery, and this go around there’s even more mockery. Although I did read about a town (I want to say an eastern state) that locked up its residents because of a single case of an extremely rare disease, so I do wonder if that was a test run…(But it still isn’t going to work again. Not here, not as widely.)

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          1. Heh. There’s a kid at work who still wears a mask 98% of the time. Because this is Wyoming, and we do believe in “leave people alone if you want to be left alone” most of us are courteous to him. (I also, just from the cagy way he’s phrased a few things, suspect he is gay. Again, most of us do not care–and the bullies that did are mostly gone, thank goodness). And the kid is pretty good at his job, so it’s easy enough to ignore his weird wearing of a mask as a bizarre quirk. It does, however, mark him (to me, anyway) as someone likely to be useless in a large scale crisis.

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            1. Basic street wisdom: avoid crazies.

              If someone marks themself as crazy, be appreciative of their courtesy at a distance. There will almost never be gain in engaging a crazy. Just when you think they are being helped or calmed, they will fling poo or bite you.

              Or worse.

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      2. Never forget, or neglect to mention, that our own government paid the communist Chinese to turn a bat virus into COVID19 in the Wuhan biological weapons laboratory. Then helped them cover up the outbreak until that was no longer possible, actively prevented people from using cheap, effective drugs like Ivermectin, mandated masks that have been known to be ineffective for 100 years, imposed ‘shutdowns’ that were equally ineffective, and finally mandated that untested serums mislabeled as ‘vaccines’ be administered to millions of people, which we now know are far more deadly than the virus.

        I’ll accept that the initial outbreak was a result of irresponsibility and incompetence, but shutting down travel within China while shipping thousands of disease carriers to other countries was a deliberate act of biological warfare. Or bio-terrorism, in the absence of any declaration of war.

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      4. EEE apparently isn’t communicable between people. So, the lockdown is supposedly to keep people (especially THE CHILDREN!) from exposing themselves to those dangerous mosquitoes carrying it. Never mind that a good bug spray does the job just fine. Yeah, the best way to fight that evil is to laugh at them and completely ignore them through massive civil disobedience.

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      5. oh sarathered,

        you mean having a disparity of 50 million more votes than there are actual voters wont just get brushed aside?

        going to be interesting

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        1. Ah, but see, they did that trick once already. And people noticed then–yes, we got brushed aside…THAT time. But this go around, as I said, is in the middle of terrible economy, people are angry–and many, MANY more people are watching them this time. Including, I strongly suspect, amongst their own constituents. The quiet ones, who are mouthing the approved party lines, but who are worried about feeding their kids or loved ones. The ones who were, perhaps, secretly planning to vote for RFK, but who now may follow him over to Trump. We’re seeing the frothy, lunatic tip of the dems, who are screaming and performing their pagan rituals with ever increasing desperation—because they know the end is nigh for them. They are planning to cheat again–it’s the only way they survive (in some cases, possibly LITERALLY survive)–but it will break them in the end no matter what.

          As Sarah has mentioned here before: people are ANGRY. And they are not getting less so. In fact, I think the quiet we are seeing in so many places–which the dems are taking as surrender and/or support from their base–is very much a quiet before the storm breaks. And it is NOT just conservatives who are angry. (Never trust polls–in either direction–and remember that what they show us–even what the well-intentioned and mostly honest show us–is cherry picked. And people lie. If I were called today by a pollster, I would lie through my teeth and claim I was voting democrat. I won’t, of course, I live in a deep red state, but. If it happened? I’d lie about how I’m voting, for sure.)

          Venezuelans are pulling their crap in Chicago now. New Yorkers are facing ever more hardship because of the doors thrown open to illegals, and Colorado (esp Denver) is facing the same and worse. I think our greatest hope now–and possibly the form our divine miracle will take–is that the “lessers” of the democrat party are waking up to the fact that they are considered serfs or worse by their masters, and that their masters want more compliant slaves…and so these disenfranchised are wisely keeping their mouths shut, but will vote in a way not expected come November. And it will be something that the cheaters don’t see coming, thinking they have their compliant serfs locked into place.

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          1. “If I were called today by a pollster, I would lie through my teeth and
            claim I was voting democrat. I won’t, of course, I live in a deep red
            state, but. If it happened? I’d lie about how I’m voting, for sure.)”

            …………..

            Deep blue state with vote by fraud, er mail, Oregon. If called (why would they bother?)? LIE, LIE, LIE, LIE, and LIE, again.

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      6. Weirdly that STD keeps popping up in children.

        Children with a weird STD.

        There needs to be an accounting. I know there will be one later, inescapably, but I think this requires a here-and-now accounting.

        Perhaps with flamethrowers.

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        1. Interesting, innit? Kind of like how they keep trying to force a human paploma virus vaccine on kids/infants…when, again, that’s also an STD. Hmmmm.

          We’re gonna need industrial sized woodchippers in the not-too-distant future, I think…

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  10. > No, Facebook did not conspire with Twitter; there was no need. No, X judge didn’t conspire with the Democratic Party; there was no need. No, Buffet and Bezos and Billzebub Gates didn’t conspire with Soros; there was no need. There was no need because they share a consensus.

    —

    “Bureaucrats in a working system don’t need to conspire. They’re like spiders
    sitting at points on a community web. If one of them starts doing something
    for the good of the web, it’s because conditions seem to call for it – and
    those same conditions will also move other bureaucrats, whether they know the
    whole story or not. It’s as if the vibrations travel along the strands of the
    web, and the rest of them, following their nature, start doing what must be
    done – all without any direct spider-to-spider communication whatsoever.”

    — Gordon R. Dickson, “The Last Master” (1984)

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      1. Hmmm… What’s the resonant frequency of bureaucracy, I wonder? Wouldn’t it be nice if we could find the right note to sing and make it shred itself into tiny bits and collapse?

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  11. what a mess,

    have a bad feeling that those of us who just want to be left alone, wont get that luxury. We are headed for some kinda nightmare i can feel it. Im not alone, and i know for sure that there will be no peaceful nor reasonable outcomes to any of whats coming up nationally.
    oh well, havent done what ive done for the last oh say 16 years to be some kinda victim i can tell you that for sure, so yea, just leave my azz alone

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    1. Breath deeply.

      Check your bug out bags for readiness.

      If you’re sheltering in place, be sure you have plenty of available clean water and food. Follow our Mormon compatriot’s philosophy there.

      Clean and oil your arms. (Repair or replace as necessary. Water damage and silt from the bottom of the lake is a pain.)

      Buy more ammo. And get more range practice.

      Set up an emergency notification system with your friends and allies that can work even if the phones or internet are sabotaged. (radio, CB, bells, sirens, runner, etc.)

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      1. ammo? I though we had to turn all that in comrade, for the glorious joyful betterment of the collective. The state will provide all for us, we will need not own anything. And we will be joyful!

        ok, sarc off,

        i actually find it all a bit entertaining, in a sad sick sorta way,

        so yea, as long as i get left alone

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      2. Good boots, broken in, two pair. If you can’t do boots, then durable shoes you can walk in all day.

        Maintain that vehicle. Keep it above 3/4 fueled.

        Ensure you have any needed meds. Many doctors will write about extra scrip so you have a reserve. Rarely for opioids, but often do-able for non-streetable others. (Probably not covered, but might be FSA.)

        Have the means to purify water in quantity. Note that straight bleach works. Bleach has other uses.

        Have plenty of soap. The harsher the living, the more essential is soap. Bonus: know how to make soap.

        Have an extra pound of salt, per person.

        Having a sturdy yard cart or wagon, something that can handle trail or grass, can very much help with fetching needed stuff or bugging out.

        Have plans, backup plans, oh crap plans, and it all went to blazes plans.

        Have an emergency fund. Have cash on hand.

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        1. I do actually know how to make soap, and have an bog-easy crockpot recipe (useful for stocking up so long as you have power–it’s the same basic principles as regular, just takes less time to cure, ESPECIALLY with a stick blender to hand. And you can still use the actual recipe WITHOUT a crockpot, it just is a bit less “dump it in and forget it for a few hours”) I’m not sure how/if I can share my email here (though I think you can click on my profile?) but if folks want it, fire me an email.

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  12. A consensus of conspiracies might overlap with the prospiracy label, I would have to think about the labels again.

    Yeah, basically I’ve ignored the question of proving 2020 with primary level evidence. I find the secondary or tertiary evidence suggestive enough for me to pursue acting in certain ways.

    My hypothesis is improper collusion (and maybe RICO, etc. acts of conspiracy as well) in 2020. I also hypothesize that at least since 1992, the Democrats have not won any national elections without fraud.

    Going forward, we can push policy that would help us test this notion. If we really can clean up election practices, case law, etc., and the Democratic Party dies along the way? In hindsight, fraud. but, if that happens and the murderous lackwits are still in power, and still destroying the economy, future hindsight would be that maybe we should have shot the communists.

    For me, the clearest proof was that statement by law schools, that introduced a novel legal theory of professional liability, and has been followed by a complete absence of applying that novel principle in other cases of professional liability. In fact, I am sure that these idiots would not be caught on the record saying that the legal profession should have colluded to deny blacks representation in the civil rights cases of the 1960s(1). My conclusion is that having law schools at universities where the arts and behavior faculty teach critical theory is corrosive of the law professional schools ,and is perhaps corrosive of all professional schools.

    Vivek Ramaswamy has a JD from Yale, the law school at the center of that letter mess. He ran against Trump this primary. Chris Christie has a JD from a law school party to that mess. Ron Desantis has a JD from a law school party to that mess. None of them suggested that such training should be disqualifying them from representing Republican voters on certain questions, _except_ for them explicitly rejecting the law faculty’s ability to make such claims. That was a necessary statement for them to make, and they did not make it. Okay, like many lawyers, they carefully avoided statements that would kill their legal career, or would easily risk professional sanction. If they were not prepared to burn that bridge, then they should probably return to legal practice.

    An individual lawyer representing clients on individual questions unrelated to election policy, may have these discussions entirely irrelevant to their individual practice. But, anyone at, or alumni of any professional school at a university with a law program, or with critical theorist faculty has some risk now to the quality of their degree as a meal ticket. Because no profession can afford to let academic representatives tell the public that the public can go frustrate itself where the profession is concerned.

    In fairness to the law faculty, they are not necessarily competent by training in statistics, and it is unlikely that they have any serious grasp of how machines work. You would expect that only a small fraction of law faculty have any awareness that machines are not people, that machines and people tend to follow different patterns, and of what techniques are necessary for understanding human meddling with machines. They might usually rely on electrical engineers for narrower problems, may have entirely skipped consulting electrical engineers this time, and frankly most electrical engineers are not great security experts.

    The security experts had previously informed the lawyers about cases where a maximum funding hostile foreign actor is not assumed. The politicians changed the criteria of evaluation to include ‘should assume maximum funding hostile foreign government’. The lawyers did not update their understanding of security tests, and are now denying any need to update case law. This is a massive cluster, and is not going to easily be addressed in a satisfying way.

    This without considering the likelihood of literal criminal conspiracies inside of law faculty, or inside of congressional Democrats, to mishandle aspects of this. If any of these narrow conspiracy hypotheses are true, then offenders need to be removed from their jobs.

    American tertiary schools, in Red States, are not in my view necessarily well run. I find many current Republicans disturbingly lax in their view of proper government oversight over tertiary schools.

    (1) This is one of several things that their theory implies.

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    1. We should have been shooting Commies as far back as the 19th Century. It may be too late, but still worth the effort to try to:

      Make America Marxist free

      From sea to shining sea

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        1. I’m to the point where after it all goes South, any registered Democract gets a green card, along with their crotchspawn. Exceptions for those with a DD-214 with HONORABLE in block 24.

          As for the rest, they can test for naturalization after ten years of good behavior, and that means nothing worse than a moving violation.

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  13. I believe there was fraud in the 2020 election because, by rules applied to corporate audits, there is no credible evidence that there was no fraud. As has been noted, “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”

    First step in performing an audit of a corporation’s reported financial statements is to determine if the corporation’s accounting system had rules to detect and correct error and fraud. If there are such rules the question becomes whether they were followed and were they effective. Even when there are rules an audit requires sampling transactions to ensure they worked. If the rules didn’t work or were not followed or did not exist then the financial statements cannot be relied upon without extensive review of the transactions.

    Election balloting is a comparable situation. Several obvious questions occur: were there rules in place to ensure every ballot was properly cast (valid voter question), properly entered (no double-counting and ‘no lost ballots’ questions), and vote tallies were properly reported and compiled, and so on.

    The 2020 election, especially in states permitting vote-by-mail, fails those question. Any counting not fully observed from start to finish cannot be accepted as accurate. There are many more ballot security failures in that election but those two are sufficient.

    It is not credible to assert the election was valid because no fraud was discerned if there were no safeguards to discern fraud. No authority would credit as reasonable a corporation’s financial reports if they were as shoddily performed as our elections, therefore American election results are not credible even if they by accident are valid.

    It is as absurd as claiming your checking account balance is correct without reconciling them and with a significant portion of the transactions unknown.

    Rgrds,

    RES

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    1. Accounting, security, and cyber security firms will not audit and validate any US election on any level. Almost all will run away if you ask them to do any investigation or analysis.

      That’s how poor the election security process is and it is purposely allowed to be easily corrupted.

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  14. Another wrinkle, the proof of guilt.

    Okay, it is difficult to prove that certain judges behaved incorrectly and corruptly, under the various tests after ‘innocent until proven guilty’.

    That also has the consequence that it is a bit difficult to succeed in counter charging people for even daring to bring the accusation up.

    Yet, those charges have been brought. The qualities of those charges may be evidence in favor of the hypotheses that 2020 was fraud, and also that it involve such wrong doing by senior politicians that they became quite unhinged in their efforts

    The basic problem with the charges is that their actions were clearly not based in any analysis done in any sort of well educated free speech environment.

    The legal theory of the impeachment, and of some of the other prosecutions potentially falls apart if one asks the question “What does the constitution actually say?”

    The Constitution of the United States of America replaced the Articles of Confederation, basically because the politicians at the time decided that they needed President, an executive, that could fight and win civil wars. This is explicitly in the powers or duties fo the President, but cannot apply if there is no insurrection. We have one really serious invocation of this, where the President was able to constrain the judiciary, but the case of executive against legislative and against judiciary is maybe unresolved case law. The text is clear that the legislative power granted congress is qualified, that the judicial power granted the courts is qualified, but the executive power granted the president may be the entire thing. With the limit that when not suppressing an insurrection, or war against neighbor, that the court rulings and congressional laws are in force.

    The case law after the really big precedent may have been left deliberately unresolved. If the courts were to very diligently uphold every act of Lincoln, there would be some precedents that would be very unwise to allow for a president acting in peace time. Conversely, if the courts had the power to overturn the 13th, 14th amendment, and there were still abolitionist sentiment, the peace might not have held. The post ACW case law may be valid for times when there is no civil war, but it is not clear that they could necessarily bind every president acting during future civil wars. And, they have not fully repudiated Lincoln’s theory of the constitutionality of his actions.

    One, is it clear that under the constitution a President can be guilty of the act of insurrection? If the President has greater freedom to act during an insurrection, it is not clear that the courts and the legislature together have the ability to define that insurrection as the doing of the president. The president is constrained if there is no insurrection, yes. The courts and legislature can say that there is no insurrection. But, both stating that the executive power has wider bounds, and also being able to define those bounds in a very restrictive way?

    Two, is it clear that Lincoln’s legal theory of the ACW could not be applicable, and the controlling precedent? Lincoln ordered the militia to act. The elements of the alleged crime of January sixth are, explicitly, Trump ordering a crowd to act. To be distinct from the precedent of Lincoln, it must be clearly impossible that there be a conspiracy among judges and congressmen equivalent in violence or criminality to that of the planters.

    If these questions cannot be resolved in a way broadly persuasive to most Americans, it might have been wise to listen, say, ‘that is a very interesting theory, we need to study it’, and delay indefinitely.

    Instead they were brought forward very quickly. One explanation is stupidity. Another explanation is corrupt motivation, and trying to stampede the public into committing to a position.

    Another element. Are we ruled by PhDs? Shall we be ruled by PhDs? Can we be ruled by PhDs?

    There is a consensus among PhDs in academia that certain questions are resolved by PhDs in academia. Bureaucrats, many or all trained in academia, have been referring questions to results within academia, perhaps results obtained by government funds.

    This is more tolerable when the costs of this are low, and much less tolerable when the costs grow very expensive.

    PhDs very definitely can not win all disputes solely by their own personal force of arms. They seem to top out at 2%, for every population.

    Expanding ‘access to education’ has allowed for larger numbers of bachelors and masters degree holders. It may have done so to an extent that it is possible to sustain a cult of thinking that academia is better than it really is. Sure, maybe most students realize that some of the instructors are of poor character, or mostly incorrect. To make such a cult work, you might only need a small number of incompetents who only have a phoney degree as something that they recognize as a reason to feel good about themselves. It might be possible to use such a cult to benefit many insider dealings.

    This becomes more of a problem when the costs of such dealings are drastically decreased. Such as shutting down an economy for a common cold, or something that kills the way ‘gender affirming care’ does, or the ‘decarboning’ mass murder scheme.

    With such a hypothetical massive cost increase, it might suddenly be much more important to understand if power had been improperly delegated to PhDs, and if the PhDs are being faithful agents to the public.

    If I had, say, concluded a few years ago that PhDs, generally, showed no signs of being loyal and attentive agents, I might have then concluded that many of them are doubling down, and having mainly the result of screwing over their neighbors worse.

    This might be relevant to a bunch of formal methods of addressing disputes, and of foreseeable ways forward.

    I’ve mainly taken comfort that theoretically forecasting behavior, and forecasting possible remedies, is much less certain than is commonly assumed.

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        1. Indeed. They would not be shrieking and running around with their heads on fire about us evil bad conservatives if they had nothing to hide. All that stuff they are claiming we are, THEY truly are, and know it, and although the bulk, being useful idiots, probably believe we truly are that too, the ones in power? They know better. And they know when the curtain–already tattered and threadbare–finally crashes down on them, they’re going to be facing the rough music.

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      2. Well, they actually do seem to really truly believe in speech magic.

        If someone honestly believes that they are witched by the speech of others, they are going to have a really disordered set of boundaries where others and their speech is concerned.

        There are other explanations possible for the behavior, and perhaps multiple can be true.

        Mostly I think that it can be summarized as they are crazy, in a way that breaks potential for peace consensus between them and us. I think the basis for hope is a combination of ‘their idols are false’, and ‘there are few of them’.

        Okay, also Jesus, but that is not a mandatory opinion for being ‘here’, and above is an attempt to uncouple analysis for common denominators.

        The fundamental problem for them is that they have effectively invoked the legal questions of executive power at the same time that they have in effect invoked an appeal to the court of public opinion, and also that the limits of our actual legal theory on executive power are a wee bit sketchy. To some extent, it is about winning civil wars, and a President whose supporting faction can win outright by force of arms, is equivalent to one that can win both popular vote and electoral college in fair elections.

        The supreme court is not actually supreme, but appeals to the court of public consensus always suck, and are impossible to conclusively draw case law from.

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  15. Good link that covers some of the details of some of the cheating.

    https://elizabethnickson.substack.com/p/the-2024-cheat-and-whats-being-done

    This year I will vote, but not participate in any further election audits or investigations like I did in 2018, 2020, and 2022. No point now, plenty of pros have picked up the gauntlet.

    Did notice a “Harris” sign in the neighbors yard. It’s a shame, but considering the circumstances of the individual, a retired Boomer AWFUL widow that is living on two union pensions, two SS checks, free airline travel and such, the system worked out for her in her lifetime. Her children and grandchildren are not so fortunate.

    We are still neighborly, since there’s no point in being abusive to the mostly harmless enthralled. My wife is waiting to say “I told you so” when TSHTF…

    Had to take the Suburu to the dealership for normal maintenance and had fun people watching the mostly “city liberals”. Sat between an older chap with an actual WSJ paper and a youngster that works for the local PBS/NPR radio station. Like being in a different reality.

    Eventually a real person that wasn’t a NPC wandered in and we talked about our childhood farming backgrounds, hinted at the nature of our current careers and employers, and shared pictures of the car crashes we had survived. And where to get deer whistles for the cars.

    May have to give up grocery delivery. Making us a target and the demographics of the people doing the delivery have shifted towards non-citizens with absolutely no English comprehension and poor driving ability. Seem to be sub-sub-sub-contractors being taken advantage of by a sub-sub-contractor.

    Was nice while it lasted. Bummer since I’m due to get knee surgery in the near future. May call in some favors from friends to get a final stockup.

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  16. what i cant wait to see is the reaction when they jail POTUS DJT on sep 18.

    i hope the smirking lawfare group have their smirks burned off their faces permanently by true patriots

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  18. Somewhat OT: I attended the Minnesota State Fair last weekend. Even the Crop Art in the Ag/Hort (Agricultural/Horticultural) building has gone woke, including a silhouette in red lentils of Minnesota superimposed on a green pea outline of the U.S. with the caption “Make America Minnesota, Tim!”, along with several pieces celebrating terrorists (Free Palestine-ish). Also, I was tempted to get a “These Guys Are Weird” button at the DFL (Demonrat-Farmer-Labor) booth to modify it into “Make Minnesota Weird”, but I wasn’t going to hand the Communists 3 bucks . . .

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  19. I’m surprised you never mentioned 2000 Mules which has two elements that fit this article. First, the categorization and collection of evidence of a cheat. Second, that it was removed from the public eye for one, seemingly slight and correctible error. Even Dinesh D’Souza has become strangely silent about his own creation.

    The stonewall is batting close to 1.000.

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