I started to write this post yesterday, then realized I didn’t have quite enough brain. (Yes, I am better today. Should be perfectly fine by tomorrow. I’m taking quantities of C and D that probably will make me glow in the dark, but it’s working.)
And then this morning I realized the problem was that I didn’t actually have all the factors in play. So, indulge me while I lay the background, shall I?
I’ve been reading They Walked Like Men by Clifford Simak. It is in many ways a gimmick book, and as a fellow professional now I can see where he rushed the ending and to an extent stuck the landing, though I’m not sure how I’d do it differently, except take a few more pages and resolve on logic issue.
My guess is either editor breathing down his neck, or he was out of allotted words and didn’t feel like going back to the beginning to start cutting at it.
BUT note its good enough that I’m not going to give you spoilers. You should read it. To this day, Dan and I get antsy if we’re driving a mountain road, and there’s a car with a single light behind us. Also, the book has one of my favorite openings ever in science fiction, closely followed (note FOLLOWED) by Puppet Masters and preceded by Citizen of the Galaxy and Have Spacesuit.
Anyway, the entire gimmick of the book is that the Earth is under alien invasion using the forms we have for normal commerce/interaction. And that there’s nothing we can do about it, since the majority of people not only don’t know the aliens exist, but don’t believe you if you tell them. And so the invasion proceeds apace, because other than the people who were brought forcibly in contact with it, NO ONE BELIEVES it. It’s that outrageous that people can’t process it.
I’ve read this book every few years since I was 12 or so, but this year it hit like a brick, for obvious reasons.
Oh, not the aliens. Despite Tucker Carlson, I don’t believe there are aliens and having the government scream there are every time they want to distract us is not enhancing credibility.
I mean the “corrupting our institutions to acquire power and wealth, in such a way that no one believes it. Particularly none of those who should and could do something about it.
And you know, in the book the whole thing is solved when the character proves aliens exist.
In a way that solution is right, because secrecy allows a lot of things to flourish that would be stopped right quick if they were out in the open.
Take election fraud. If it were properly reported, we’d already have one day, paper only, purple fingers, not to mention none of the crazy like “same day registration”. But most people don’t know how crazy and easy to fraud it is. They would not themselves commit fraud, so why would anyone else. And our news…. er…. democrat operatives with bylines aren’t reporting stuff like “no other country does this, because every time stuff like vote by mail is tried anywhere, the fraud is always next level”. Or “they will register you to vote, if you’re a foreign national signing up for a driver’s license with your passport.”
But the myriad and crazy ways to cheat are so many and so unreported, that their obvious outrageousness makes them hard to believe. People think fraud is a little thing on the margins. 2020 was step one at breaking that “it can’t be real” but many in the establishment and out really want to deny it and go back to sleep. The entire “it’s time to talk of something else” is indicative of this. No, sorry. If our method of elections is broken, NOTHING ELSE is important. Because you can’t win elections rigged against you. It’s the only thing to talk about. Forever. Until it’s fixed. The public seems to sense this, btw, even those who would like everything to “go back to normal”. I think it accounts for Trump’s lead almost by itself.
The thing is Trump’s election in 2016 started ripping off a lot of those masks. Partly — and only partly — because Trump will say things everyone is afraid to say, out loud. (Which, to an extent is why he was elected in the first place.)
But partly because the left went so insane at the unexpected election result that it ripped off its own mask in favor of going completely and thoroughly nuts in public.
What I was missing yesterday is that there have been several of these “steps” and they still keep coming. Because having lost their minds, the left isn’t find it. And the very things they do are only holding because they’re so stupid they’re unbelievable. BUT every time they do the next one, the previous becomes more believable. Also, they’re increasingly, like the cheating, in front of G-d and everyone, really blatant.
And it feels like each of these incidents puts people in the frame of mind to see things clearer. And sometimes makes it so you just can’t ignore it. Each hit reveals “the aliens” doing the unthinkable.
And ooh, boy, the hits have been coming fast and furious the last three years. The covidiocy, and then every revelatory hit coming out about it. The red speech. The lawsuits against Trump. Oh, yeah, the entire conspiracy nonsense during his presidency, from the “Russia, Russia, Russia” to the insane stuff they brought up against his supreme court nominees, all of it made the masks fall off, and people go “Oh.”
Now, the masks go back on, and people try to go back to the safe place, because, well, no one, not even me, likes the hideousness revealed. OTOH those of us, like me, who have seen it for a long time, feel a certain amount of relief when it’s out in the open.
But the people trying to get back “to normal” keep having the “normal” ripped off their eyes again and again. There is no road back to normal. None.
At this point, the left is so much in evil villain mode (partly because they always were, partly because their hiding methods are working less and less every year, thanks to the net. Hence why they are now attacking the first amendment) that they can’t help themselves. So, you know, when Hamas does horrible stuff in Israel, they think it makes perfect sense to tear down hostage posts and attack Jews. Because…. why not? They thought this would be absolutely a good strategy. Because stuff like this has always worked before, and they missed how utterly horrendous the attacks were, and how in public they were.
So, the masks were ripped off yet again. And then watching University presidents, all women, and all obviously and clearly incompetents trying to defend it was just sh*t icing on the sh*t cake.
I feel like the results of that haven’t yet fully played out, but like it moved everyone to yet another stage of “Oh, you’re just really evil and there is no truth in you.”
My guess is Trump or no Trump the hits are going to keep coming. At this point, they can’t help themselves. They don’t know what else to do but keep trying to herd us by doing stuff that’s absolutely horrifying.
They’re doing what they always did, only up to eleventy now, and out in the open. And they don’t know why we’re all going “whoa, now!”
And it’s going to keep happening. Trump started it, but at this point it’s a perpetual motion machine. The masks just keep falling.
Thing is we need them to fall harder and faster, because it’s our only chance to avoid more unpleasant options.
Without spoilering too much, there is a moment in Simak’s book (And he’d be horrified at my seeing it this way, btw, for his time he was very much progressive as you’ll find reading the book) when the president offers to nuke the aliens, and the main character says “Why? Everyone knows they exist now. They can no longer operate. It was the secrecy that allowed it.”
It’s the same thing. We need all the ugliness to come out as fast as possible, so the masks can’t go back on.
Because as evil and dirty as our “elites” are the only thing that allows them to operate is the nice-nice mask, and people wanting to pretend they see no evil.
Remove that and they’re done. They become a shame, a reproach, and a laugh stock.
Which for them is worse than death.
So in the coming year, I wish you the masks falling harder and faster. And no worries, they will be.
Just refuse to forget the masks that fell. Keep notes if you have to. And bring them up when people try to look away.
The sewer is horrible. But it might save us from worse choices.
Don’t look away.
According To Hoyt 
This is the way.
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I think when Trump got elected, that well and truly broke most of the (E!)Democrats and their fellow-travelers. Why? He wasn’t supposed to win, it was supposed to be Hillary! and that it would be the third term of the Obama administration (anybody that knows Hillary! should be laughing at this) and we would see everything that the Lightbringer had done for us and…
Honestly? I’m not sure if I want Trump to run this year or not, but I do know that his efforts are causing all of these people to go even crazier. We’re seeing some of the worst diversity hire people having their jobs in serious danger-nobody’s seen Kathleen Kennedy after the “South Park” episode, the President of Harvard is looking like a lame duck, etc, etc, etc…
And sometimes even the more normal people notice it.
2024 is going to be a very interesting election year, but I’d rather just be worried about my job and family than cleaning up all of the Barbara Streisand that we’re going to get this time around.
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“I started to write this post yesterday, then realized I didn’t have quite enough brain”
((carefully avoids comment for fear of carp))
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Ace just put a post up that notes people who have been accepted to Harvard are turning it down and considering even (top-tier) non-Ivy schools. The reason is that these potential students are worried about their attendance at Harvard hurting their job prospects when they go looking for their first big job.
Yale might also be having similar problems, based on its acceptence rate this year.
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Gooder and harder, as they say….
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These are EARLY DECISION applicants(standard reply date is still in April I believe). Their applications are such that if they accept they are required to attend and must terminate all other applications. Generally you don’t choose early decision unless this is the school you ABSOLUTELY want (I did this back in 1979 for my alma mater where Early Decision was a new thing). Usually Early Decision is a high percentage rate for most schools (like 75%+ probably closer to 95% for the Ivies). It is also a money maker as you have to accept BEFORE you see Financial Aid numbers and can’t comparison shop or bargain. So between when they sent their applications (maybe Late October) and now something has convinced them that going to Harvard (Or Yale) may not be the sinecure it once might have been. It sounds like the various folks saying they don’t want to hire Harvard grads over the stupidity of the antisemitism may be having an effect. I mean perhaps some of these folk are Jewish and realize that they will be persona non grata at the Ivies but I suspect that represents a small number of these changes. Well Done President Gay you have lost several LARGE (250 million +) donors and made some of your top applicants reconsider. Your management of a university is on a par with the Marx Brothers in Horse Feathers, except you are about as funny as a porcupine in condom factory and as useful as teats on a bull.
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If I’m ever in a position to influence hiring again, I have a whole list of colleges whose degrees would disqualify the applicants instantly. Sadly, West Point made the list.
“Your alma mater shat itself in public, and by association your degree is now a liability instead of a recommendation. Perhaps you should sue them. Have a nice day.”
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It needs to be excessively, extremely, blatantly public. The ability of most people to write off the most egregious lawbreaking, gaslighting, and harm to others as “oh, it can’t be that bad” is… incredible. Because if they admitted something was wrong, they would have to Do Something, because only Bad People would not do something in the face of Evil. And they’re Good People. They’ll tell you that ’til they’re blue in the face.
So “nothing is wrong”. That way they don’t have to do anything.
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Note, one part of normies thinking “nothing is wrong” is all the signs that indicate Biden is a pedophile. They have to work hard to ignore that.
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It’s not just the Potted Plant — seems like half the Demokrat party is covering up for the other half’s…indiscretions. Epstein ‘committed suicide’ (with a great deal of help) 4 years and 4 months ago, and the Demokrats are still stonewalling any access to the records. Who’s on those lists, that they’re terrified we’ll find out?
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Kneejerk reaction?
All of them.
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I forgot the appropriate .sig line in that post:
“If your reputation can be ruined by the truth — it should be.”
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Sounds good, but completely ignores another aspect of the Prog tactics.
Simple version?
Remember how Trump’s involvement with Epstein was horrible and disqualifying– even though it consisted of business related puddle-jumper flights with lots of witnesses that it was actually business, and socializing with him until TRUMP WAS THE ONLY F’ER WHO’D HELP A VICTIM PRESS CHARGES, then booting him out of Trump properties?
That Trump flew on Epstein’s planes is true.
The photographs of Trump smiling next to Epstein are true.
A partial truth is a long recognized servant of Bad Stuff.
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So true that. Argh.
Nobody tells partial truths like a narcissistic type out to make sure someone else takes the fall.
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Trump was a Democrat at the time, and Epstein was a Good Democrat that they all hung out with. Trump was there to do business with the other Democrats hanging out with Epstein. Why aren’t they Eeevul?
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How can imperfect people create a Perfect World? How could imperfect people live in a Perfect World?
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They’ll be able to rattle off a list of them who are no longer useful and have been hung out to dry, then scream about you trying to change the subject.
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Remember how a Republican saying something nice about a “former KKK member” at his retirement was a horrible thing, but the Democrats actually electing him for decades and having him in leadership for their party was totally fine?
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Yep, I remember that one. Amazing what a selective memory they have….
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You mean Biden’s best bud Robert Byrd? The one Biden gave such an effusive eulogy?
But Trump was Eeevul for saying one nice thing.
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I’m seeing lots of hope and expectation that Trump will be on it from both Left and “Right”.
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He’s not on it. He’s never been to the island. If he were on that list they’d have released a list of Epstein’s clients one name long (with all others redacted) years ago.
I do believe Bill Barr is on the island visitors list and that the leverage they used to have him fuck is over when they stole 2020.
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If Trump was already on the list, we’d been told, and told, and told, and told. They’d been screaming it from roof tops, banners behind planes, on MSN/CNN and all the other MSM platforms, and he’d been impeached over it, twice.
We know Trump knew Epstein. He said so. He also was the one who banned Epstein from Trump venues over One complaint by one lowly employee (guessing might have been more, but only one made a complaint). I suspect he heard the whispering rumors, given the crowd Trump was involved in. So, only took one complaint where he had the control to initiate the ban, make it stick without possibility of court legal backlash.
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Of course. We’re sane.
The Leftists / NeverTrump / Cult of Ron infesting TwitterX and pretty much all of Salem?
As long as the list that’s publicized has his name on it, they’ll eat it up with or without a spoon.
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Trump bought Mar-a-Lago to create a desegregation golf club in a part of Florida where the donks still maintained segregation. He sued the local powers to make it happen, at huge expense, and -won-.
Note how he -isnt- playing “you owe us for 1865”. He says “look at what we did 2017-2021. Are you better off then?” Thus he is increasingly popular with high-malanin folks. He doesn’t patronize or guilt. He says “vote your -real- interests” or “what have you got to lose”.
Which is why the Donks must destroy him. They don’t want successful folks. They want dependant serfs. Not “allies” but “clients”.
Trump is a good long term bet. He occasionally loses an engagement, but his long-term trend is upwards.
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We don’t need special excuses for Barr to be scum. He was instrumental in quashing state level attempts to brings feds to justice back in the day.
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Shouted from the rooftops even.
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Just remember we’re going to need the defensive snipers for that….
Wry G Ran across on the internet, when it comes to last stands and sudden unexpected reversals on the battlefield.
“The snow speaks Finnish. The gas speaks Russian. And the rooftops speak Korean….”
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:steals that quote so fast the air screams:
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The snow speaking Finnish – Simo Hayah.
The gas speaking Russian – The Battle of Osowiec Fortress.
I have not, however, found a good song for the Korean shopkeepers in the LA riots….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooftop_Koreans
All I can say is, good for them, and sounds like an excellent example.
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Yankee Doodle
or
Battle Hymm of the Republic
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And don’t forget the rocks speaking Pashto.
Given the two decades over there, I imagine there are more than a few people in Coalition countries who may or may not be able to sing the song, but they can hum the tune.
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Heh! I hadn’t heard that one before, thanks!
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You’ve pushed a hot button of mine.
I am a Precinct Chair and I have worked as an Election Judge & Clerk, so I know the laws much better than 99% of the voters here in Texas. I have also been following the Election Integrity attempts with great interest and I can argue either side of the issues.
Voting on Election Day only will disenfranchise quite a few people who work for a living. A very partial list includes a number of medical professionals, firefighters and EMTs. Due to the logistics of absentee voting, some of them will not know their schedules in time to apply.
Voting on paper ballots only will necessitate voting in one’s home precinct, which will lead to people screeching about voter suppression. The reason for requiring voting to happen in one’s home precinct is the ridiculous number of ballot styles required to be distributed to all polling locations. In my precinct, it will still require two ballot styles for some elections since school district boundaries do not follow precinct boundaries, and I believe the same is true of Municipal Utility Districts. I’m fine with voting in my precinct, but I know the left will lose their minds over it. And it won’t stop fraud, just read up on LBJ’s election to the Senate.
I have no idea what sort of arguments will crop up about “purple fingers”, but I have no doubt there will be some. I expect some sects of Fundamentalists will join in with “Mark of the Beast” sort of stuff.
As far as ID, I know what the List A and List B IDs are here in Texas. The people arguing against voter ID either don’t know what they are talking about, aka the typical Democrat, or they are intentionally misrepresenting the issue. At least here in Texas the acceptable IDs are very loose.
I am not a fan of absentee ballots and think the Texas law that anyone over the age of 65 is entitled to receive an absentee ballot is a mistake. If someone truly can’t make it to the polling location, then it is justified, but there are lots of us senior citizens who can make it just fine. And before someone talks about the mobility impaired, all polling locations are required to be ADA compliant and curbside voting is available (been there, done that). This includes bringing the machines out to the vehicle, including a bus from a senior living center, assisted living center or nursing home. The number of folks who truly can’t leave their homes is very small.
Like I said, I have been giving this a lot of thought for years now. I do realize that some of my arguments are “what the opponents will say” and think that it will take time to pull the Overton Window far enough that people will actually consider the changes.
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The Reader will offer a compromise. Election Day shall consist of the polls being open for 24 continuous hours. Anyone who can’t get to the polls sometime in a 24 hour period – too bad.
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This.
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Yep.
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I agree and would even make it 29 hours of continuous voting with all polls opening simultaneously on 12:00 AM Tuesday EST (7:00 PM Monday HAST) and closing 11:59 PM Tuesday Hawaii time (5:00AM Wednesday EST).
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On disenfranchising quite a few people. Bah. Make it a holiday. if people have proof they can’t and only then allow early voting.
AGAIN no other country does this. Neither did we for most of our history.
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You missed what I said. Many medical professionals have to work or people die. Emergency personnel have to work or people die. The whole “national holiday” just means that banks and government offices are closed.
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Eh…that was the case from day one up until about 25 years ago everywhere, and until only a few years ago in most places. It was acceptable before, so why not now? (Because the intent behind “fixing” it with unlimited absentee ballots and mandatory mail-in voting was to enable virtually unlimited fraud; if we didn’t know it then…I didn’t…we know it now.)
Anyway, I’d rather have a few people missing the window than millions of people being defrauded of their vote. And maybe we don’t have to accept it; there must be reasonable ways around it that don’t enable massive fraud.
As far as I know, no one is allowed to fire an employee who has to serve on a jury. Maybe there should be a law that nobody can get fired for voting on election day. The purple finger can be your proof.
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Same thing applies to military voting, and we handled that with paper ballots in the middle of the first Civil War.
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Absentee ballots go back to the civil war.
No-excuse early voting/absentee ballots go back into the 70s.
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“No-excuse early voting/absentee ballots go back into the 70s.”
Which would be the start of the clustering of our voting process.
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Possibly; looking at the actual history, rather than “oh about the late 90s” in order to identify what went wrong, why it was done, and how to adjust to avoid it is required to ACTUALLY FIX any issues.
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While keeping an eye on the fact that in politics “problems” which “had to be fixed” were frequently made up out of whole cloth because someone wanted to break something.
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That is frequently accused.
Tends to slam face first into failing to persuade.
Part of the problem RIGHT NOW is exactly that folks don’t want to change things if it works “well enough.” That wasn’t different in the past.
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…….that is exactly what I am saying.
If you wanted to change things you had to push a reason why it had to be done.
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AND it had to persuade people.
AND, right now, the post RIGHT HERE, is pointing out exactly why that is not an easy thing. People do not just throw their hands up and say “oh, my; these people say there is an issue, I must go along with it changing!”
Insisting at people that they don’t really think there is a problem is not going to make them agree. Figuring out what they identify the problem as, and finding a solution that will actually work, or at least not do the damage the prior solution did, DOES work.
One of the favorite Progressive tricks is to insist that any attempt to roll back something they’ve done involves insisting everything was fine before that point. It really shouldn’t be adopted as a tactic.
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Do I need to remind you of your many rants about why this or that police abuse doesn’t exist and everyone has been fooled with fake news?
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You mean the times when you declare that something is a huge issue, and I go and dig down and GIVE YOU THE LINK TO THE ACTUAL SITUATION which shows that you had swallowed a load of bull?
Those cases where you bought into a narrative, and are trying to stampede people into big changes… and it still doesn’t work? Because there simply aren’t that many people who agree there is a problem, even with a big story push to try to scare them into acting.
The places that ‘defund the police’ has had success– such as it is– are ones where there was already a very large reserve of folks who believed Police Are The Problem.
The attempt to spook folks into action is to get the additional push needed to join with those people who think there is an issue.
And no, telling them “everything is fine, you were just fooled into thinking there is a problem” will not work. Because there IS a problem.
In the case of the police, generally the problem is the bad guys being released to prey on the same folks who got them arrested, because that’s “nice”. That groups up with the folks who, as Chesterton alluded in his parable of the lamppost, have dark deeds which they do not wish to come to light. And so on.
Insisting that the only group that exists is the ones who can be fooled into joining a cause is exactly the problem I was pointing out.
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Yes. I am the only one who has ever said there was a problem. Ever.
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:waves as the goal posts sprint off into the distance:
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No. They don’t. Not in most states at least. It’s Motor Voter.
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Didn’t say anything about most states.
We still have to go to where it actually started in order to figure out what it was supposedly fixing.
It’s not like they go “Hey, yeah, we’d really like to make fraud easy! Let’s do this!”
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PRECISELY.
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And I knew it then.
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I know at least locally, employers must allow their employees time to vote if necessary. I’d thought that was a national law, but I guess it must be just a California thing.
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You want to tell a fireman in the middle of a fire they can go vote? How about a doctor in the middle of a long surgery? Even nurses in a hospital may have trouble getting away.
I agree with the concept, but I need to believe that it is practical.
I’ve been an election worker in five elections so far just so I can ensure that the rules are being followed at the polling location where I am working. It’s not a lot, but it is far more than most of the election integrity people have been doing.
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Excuse me, this is rank bullshit.
People will miss voting. Because they fell down and hit their head that day. Because something happened.
BUT it’s a balance. What we have now is JUST fraud. Nothing else. It removes everyone’s vote, not a few unfortunate people.
Life has no guarantees. yeah, a fire happens, the fireman won’t vote.
The doctor? Believe it or not, if htey know they’ll be on call they can get a letter saying they’ll be on call and get to vote early. Doctors, very strangely, are known for being able to plan.
BULLSHIT.
I was a worker at ONE election where mysteriously 1/3 of the people forgot they’d “Already voted” — people my age.
This is bullshit. And you know it.
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https://townhall.com/columnists/jeffdavidson/2023/12/23/is-it-time-to-cheat-like-a-democrat-n2632298
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Firemen are actually pretty easy. The stations regularly get downtime so that they can do things like go shop for groceries and the like (when I bagged groceries, I’d regularly see a red fire truck pull in; a bunch of firemen in their uniforms would jump out and head through the store to buy the food they needed). It shouldn’t be hard for stations to coordinate that sort of thing so that half the stations vote at 9am, and the other half of the local stations vote at 11am. And if someone’s fighting a fire that early in the morning, then chances are they’ll be relieved long before the polling places close. They can go vote then.
That’s standard in any high-stress job. Sure, you might need to be “on-site” for twelve hours as part of the normal work shift. But you’re not engaged in high-intensity activities for the duration because people simply can’t do that. They have breaks where they rest and unwind a bit. No reason why voting can’t be one of the things they do during their “taking it easy” periods of time.
Locally, the polling places are open for thirteen hours on election day. Yes, you might need to juggle a few things to get there. But people should be able to find the time to head out, vote, and get back, at some point during the day.
And, while I hate to say it, we all know that there’s already one group of people that’s regularly disenfranchised. The overseas military absentee ballots somehow never seem to make it in time in the blue states. Funny how that constantly seems to happen.
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For presidential there should be presidential deployment/base onsite voting, where the military vote is called/turned in to each state by the military designated elections official at the base. Local elections can be by mail in ballot. States then have to report what the military total was as a subtotal of each candidates total to prove they’ve counted the called in military votes. (To keep the states honest, the military has a total for each state based as reported from each deployment and base.)
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I’m okay with extraordinary measures for deployed military. But that’s self-limiting.
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Others –> “But we’ll learn how the deployed/overseas military votes by state.”
My reply. “And? I suggested this. Quit trying to sell me on it.” I have no problem with the ability for military to be able to tell the sitting president exactly how they feel every 4 years. Not that I don’t think that the military could show us the trends are the same as the at home folks. (Could. Not would. It is possible. Highly improbable. But possible.)
It is.
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That would avoid a lot of the chances for injecting spare votes there, too.
(And encourage some states to offer Nice Things for active military, so they don’t have weird home of record.)
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Yeah, and that’s utter bullshit. If people have to work on that day, they will have a paper saying they have to, and then THEY and only they get to vote early.
How old did you say you are? That’s how it was done until motor voter under the Clintons. I once had to vote early because I had a non-refundable ticket for election day.
PFUI. Stop being puerile.
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Even a pretty simple level of proof/official hoops will gut the fraud involved in absentee/early voting– and having a 24/7 video of the location of the “here, sign in, vote early” would catch cheating.
Probably something like a lockbox that switches with monitors, proof of fraud gets the whole box tossed, would work best.
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So the Demokrats send a few fraudulent voters around to all the heavily Republican precincts to get their votes disqualified.
Didn’t take me 10 seconds to think of that.
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There’s statistically improbable, and then there’s ‘violates the fundamental principles of the universe’ improbable.
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You apparently missed the part where it’s not the voters who are fraudulent.
It’s the people verifying eligibility to vote.
You know, the ones who would be facing major jail time for such shenanigans.
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It’s not only the voters. The Demokrats have hordes of fraudulent voters, too. They vote at multiple addresses, even in multiple states (Mass-holes voting in Vermont, anybody?) Illegal aliens were caught voting in Texas, and a few election officials were even prosecuted.
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Now walk back to the point of how those voters got on the approved rolls.
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In many cases, they didn’t bother to get on the approved rolls, just walked up to the voting booth and claimed a ballot. See this infamous example from 2016:
https://tinyl.io/9zMK
” 6,540 people registered and voted on Nov. 8, based on presenting out-of-state licenses.
⦁ As of Aug. 30, about 15 percent (1,014 of the voters) had been issued New Hampshire driver’s licenses.
⦁ Οf the remaining 5,526, barely more than 200 (3.3 percent) had registered a motor vehicle in New Hampshire.
New Hampshire law gives drivers 60 days upon establishing residence to obtain a state license.
But more than 80 percent of voters who registered on Nov. 8 using out-of-state driver’s licenses, or 5,313 of them, neither had a state license nor registered a motor vehicle almost 10 months later.”
Obvious fraud, but it didn’t matter. “Too late, the thief was sworn in.”
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I know you are capable of reading.
How about you exercise it, go back and look at the actual discussion, and pay attention to how this is dealing with a specific proposed solution that STARTS with same day voting only, with ID, and only early voting ‘with reason’?
And THAT POINT is where it starts from, in blocking an obvious route of abuse AFTER all of those changes.
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“same day voting” = what they did fraudulently.
ID: they had it.
And your proposal does nothing to address the issue, which is that no election should be called while there are enough questionable votes to flip it.
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:blinks at Snelson:
:looks up, again, and sees whatever conversation he’s trying to be involved in does not exist in this timeline:
:shrugs and walks off:
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It was my proposal. And what the heck questionable votes?
Proof of existence and citizenship are a given. Then same day, purple fingers, paper ballots with chain of custody.
PERIOD.
MAtt’s insane argument that his disenfranchises those who have to work was the problem. Not this long trail of insanity.
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Someone couldn’t be bothered to read my link.
People were allowed to walk up to the voting booth, present their ID, and vote “provisionally”, because they claimed they had “just moved”. For those votes to be valid, they had to get new ID, vehicle registration. Those votes weren’t supposed to count unless and until they did. The Senate election and Presidential electoral vote were decided as follows:
“In the presidential race, Democrat Hillary Clinton defeated Republican Donald Trump in New Hampshire by 2,736 votes. In an even tighter race, for the Granite State’s U.S. Senate seat, Democratic challenger Maggie Hassan defeated incumbent Republican Kelly Ayotte by 1,017 votes.”
Fraud wins.
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How they get registered to vote is a different matter. Here in Texas, people are not required to show ID to register to vote, only when they go to the polls. In fact, people can register to vote via the mail. I have been a volunteer deputy registrar for a few legislative session now, so I am familiar with the system. Trying to make it more difficult to register to vote is going to cause howls from the left and at least some complaining from the right.
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It’s true, none of this will be easy or free from contention. ANYTHING that helps to fix the problem will cause howls from the left and protests from snakes on the right.
The only real question is whether there are enough people who are ready to ignore the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth and do what needs to be done. The left as a whole has never, ever, not even once in all of its history, acted in good faith.
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Go back up to the start of the conversation:
On disenfranchising quite a few people. Bah. Make it a holiday. if people have proof they can’t and only then allow early voting.
AGAIN no other country does this. Neither did we for most of our history.
And follow along, then work out where you got lost.
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They died or moved and were never removed.
Real people were fraudulently added.
Imaginary people were fraudulently added.
Virtual people were fraudulently added.
In 2020 Maricopa County AZ printed 1.5 M more votes than registered voters. Once the forensic audit got underway a large mass of ballots wound up in a chicken ranch which burned to the ground.
Los Angeles County printed and mailed 1.5 M more ballots than registered voters and that on top of having been court ordered to remove 1.0 M voters in categories 1-4 above, which was never done. They claim that they can only remove at most 100/month. I used to do database maintenance for BofA, the task is trivial. I received THREE ballots in 2020. LA County keeps switching registrations from R to D. I helped reregister my Hispanic friend and her husband twice before the 2020 primary and still they turned up D for the Primary on election day.
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This is a text conversation.
For the love of all that is holy, can you guys please bother to find out what happened in the conversation in the first place, instead of jumping in with both feet with utterly unrelated discussions?
The specific discussion is in a case of Election-Day-Only voting, with extremely limited early voting for cause. The details are on making that early voting so that it does not get used to inject fraudulent votes into the system, via not only verifying the voters exactly as if it were voting day, but by locking away their votes by person-doing-the-checking and holding them until after election day.
This is literally the start of the discussion:
accordingtohoyt says:December 22, 2023 at 10:02 pm
On disenfranchising quite a few people. Bah. Make it a holiday. if people have proof they can’t and only then allow early voting.
AGAIN no other country does this. Neither did we for most of our history.
To which I directly replied:
Foxfier says:December 23, 2023 at 10:02 am
Even a pretty simple level of proof/official hoops will gut the fraud involved in absentee/early voting– and having a 24/7 video of the location of the “here, sign in, vote early” would catch cheating.
Probably something like a lockbox that switches with monitors, proof of fraud gets the whole box tossed, would work best
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And they’re proud of it. They celebrate it. Fraudulent voting is in some cases a huge part of their identity, and in other situations it’s cause for behind-the-hand amusement.
The only way to solve the problem is to make the silent supporters of the behavior fear.
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The Democrats have perfected election fraud over the last 200 years. The Republicans go along with the scam as long as they get their cut of the pork. My current US representative is retiring after 20 years of grift and most of the Republicans running to replace him publicly deny that any sort of fraud has occurred in the recent US elections…
More than just illegal aliens voted in Texas, I shall enumerate some of the shenanigans that have been observed and well documented over the last couple of decades and made worse by “vote by mail”:
1) Dead voters, ghost voters and nonexistent voters
2) Ballot harvesting
3) Voting in multiple states and cities
4) Corrupt election officials at the county and precinct level
6) Using hackable or easily “tweakable” election equipment that allowed some people to double vote and wiped out thousands of legitimate votes*
7) Any possible fraudulent method you can dream of on the micro or macro scale.
Voting by mail allowed for more vote harvesting and fraud. Example: In the 2020 there were Australians that have never resided in the United State that voted by mail in Dallas country. There were 54 people registered to an address that only had a construction dumpster. There were votes from non-residences. And none of these voters have been removed from the rolls even after evidence was presented.
Eliminating early voting doesn’t fix whom controls the voting registrars or whom counts the votes. Early voting and especially the nuclear stupidity of vote by mail allows for easier fraud, but the real problem is that virtually none of the elected officials or judges, Democratic or Republican will admit there are serious problems. (Then again in Texas, most judges are elected…)
All government computer systems in Dallas on the city and county level have been hacked and compromised over the past few years. Patronage has ensured that competent systems and administrators were not employed.
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THIS
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Texas Trash Talk focuses on Harris County (and for good reason!) and has a lot about lower-level voting irregularities, registration shenanigans, and outright fraud. http://www.texastrashtalk.com/
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The Open Records Project focuses on Dallas County and assists another group with Tarrant County. They also tilt against other Texas windmills like pedophiles, senior abuse and government accountability. In addition to data analysis, they do interviews, investigations and try to get any lawmaker interested.
http://openrecords.org/
Typical accountability case:
https://texasscorecard.com/local/mckinney-parents-want-answers-about-runaway-school-bus-driver/
The interesting thing in the later link is that the company in question is/was owned by the former Lewisville mayor who was also the Denton County Chief Tax Appraiser, owned the LISD bus system and involved some additional real estate dealings. At the same time, no less…
Analysis of the property tax rolls indicated some favoritism to select property owners. Some wealthier “libertarians” noticed the fuss, joined in the fun and a Texas state law was passed concerning conflicts of interest in holding more than one public office, etc, at the same time.
The only difference between the North Texas Republicans and Democrats, is that the Republicans want the graft without causing too much open cultural conflict…
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Again, that’s got nothing to do with blocking a specific exploit in “early voting only with proof of reason” and everyone else voting on site with ID on election day.
Specifically, what happens when the Dems magically have people vote early and “forget” when they show up on site on election day.
The issue there is, if you already voted, how do you make it so that the person who is right there, on election day, with proof, at their proper voting location, has THIS vote count, but not THAT vote?
Well, you have the early in person voting votes locked down, and if it is verified that the person was registered as voting but did not in fact vote in spite of being verified as doing so on site at the early voting, that box gets tossed.
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Foxfier, I’m not sure if your comment is aimed at mine, or Larry’s. If mine, I apologize for muddling the waters.
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…thus enabling one spoiler to get a whole box full of votes tossed out. Way to go, punish the innocent and reward the guilty.
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When police arrest violent criminals to protect innocent people, they are condemned as Jackbooted Fascist Stormtroopers.
When police arrest innocent people at the behest of corrupt politicians, they are hailed as National Heroes.
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As opposed to tossing out the votes of those who cannot be there on election day.
And, again, if they had that many vote monitors willing to go to jail, their fraud would be much less obvious.
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” if they had that many vote monitors willing to go to jail, ”
How does this work in, say, TX, where TXSC ruled last year that the state AG has to bring criminal charges through the County DA where the offense occurred? There’s a reason Soros focusses on DAs. That ruling, incidentally was in an election fraud case in Travis County (Austin).
There’s also the idea that if a hostile actor can get all the election monitors working a precinct thrown in jail for one fraudulent vote in any given precinct, just how long do you think that “one ringer per precinct” will take to achieve no election monitors willing to serve?
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:points back up to the start of the conversation:
The conversation involved is on the practical measures after there is same-day-only voting with extremely limited early voting with reason.
There’s also the idea that if a hostile actor can get all the election monitors working a precinct thrown in jail for one fraudulent vote in any given precinct,
How the blazes do you get to that from early votes needing to have the identity of the voter verified, on video, with the ballots for each SPECIFIC MONITOR being locked down until after voting?
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“Voting on Election Day only will disenfranchise quite a few people who work for a living.”
Unfortunately Matt, the truth of the matter is that having a single day to vote, having paper ballots to record the votes, having scrutineers present at the counting and the voting, the whole panoply of security measures historically used to secure the election are necessary because government employees cannot be trusted. Also, voters cannot be trusted.
Therefore absentee ballots, vote by mail, multiple days of voting, all that type of thing simply de-legitimizes the vote. If the vote is not counted in such a way that there is no possibility of cheating… there will be cheating. For sure.
Against this we must weigh the inconvenience to “quite a few people who work for a living.” I would posit that if they want to have a vote, they can probably get it done.
“Voting on paper ballots only will necessitate voting in one’s home precinct, which will lead to people screeching about voter suppression.”
Yes, those people screeching would be the ones who benefit from insecure elections, I would think. The cheaters, in other words. They are best ridiculed if noticed at all.
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Yep
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And the folks that would literally crawl over broken glass soaked in lemon juice to vote for him even if they had to get fired to do it.
Some things are worth the sacrifice. Our lives, our fortunes, our sacred honor… Something like that. What’s a job? I can get another.
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The next ten months will be critical to the future – by November 2024, election time, there should be a clear track apparent and what the outcome will be. If there is an anomaly, such as Trump winning or the equivalent and/or a blatant effort at fraud that can’t be dismissed so it is addressed, all bets are off and it will be time to assume the crash position.
Moving through the upcoming summer and fall will be telling and a time where there is a lot of “strife” along with more TPTB crazy stuff. While I think it will hold together for awhile – the current situation and activities can’t last. Keep noting when masks fall and what they reveal while staying prepared.
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This is the race we’re running: exposure and (for lack of a better word) rage versus denial and exhaustion. There is such a temptation to curl into a ball and hide somewhere until the storm blows out. There is such a temptation to confess oneself impotent in the face of enormous forces inflicting their will, for that excuses you from effort and risk. Deny the truth, speak the lie they demand to hear, and maybe it will pass you by on the way to devastate somebody else.
People are afraid of civil war coming. I’m creeping up on the conclusion that it is already here: a thoroughly post-modern, asymmetrical war that does not claim its casualties merely by physical wounds and death. (Though there is some of that: flurries rather than a blizzard.) That’s an awful thought … but if it’s the awful reality, it needs to be faced.
It’s draining even to think about it. But one thing I’ve learned: you can’t win a race by stopping.
Republica restituendae
et
Hamas delenda est.
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“People are afraid of civil war coming. I’m creeping up on the conclusion that it is already here.”
Even the skinny little closet case and his big hulking beard-wife knows it’s here. That’s why they’re making a crappy made-for-TV-level movie that’s trying desperately to propagandize us into believing they’re the good guys. Fortunately most of the reactions I’ve seen towards it have been pointing and laughing.
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Gonna have to make a slight disagreement there. Civil war, this ain’t.
Uncivil action? Lawfare? Riots? Bloody fraud by the cattle car full? Limited permissible violence by sanctioned cats paws? Partisan “justice”? Political prisoners? Propaganda (bad propaganda, perpetrated by very low intelligence persons)? Indoctrination? Perversity in public? Abuse of children and elders?
Yep. All those things.
But those things are not, yet, war.
My admittedly biased and limited take on this is that it is a long running attempt at insurrection and replacement. Real insurrection- an attempt to unlawfully seize the reins of power and prevent the proper, legal course of republican government to operate. They have been caught cheating more than just a couple of times now. In recent memory.
They want to change the people of the United States for another one. They want to eliminate the capitalist, law abiding liberty and patriotism that has been if not ubiquitous, at least widespread. They want the limitless power that comes from ruling serfs, rather than the sharply limited power and ever greater responsibility that comes with representing a free people.
But they are deathly afraid of open conflict because they will lose and they will lose hard. Worse than they lost in the first ACW. Much, much worse.
Once that happens, the masks are gone for good. At least three generations, if not more. The country will be in pieces. Might get invaded (there will be international interests in the mix. Count on it). They really, really don’t want that until they are sure they can win.
We really, really don’t want a civil war even if we win and win quickly. Nobody sane does.
Best case, the Great (political) Awakening gets momentum and we get a few decades of cleaning up house. There will be problems. New ones, old ones. There will always be opportunists, bandits, barbarians, and the eternal poor, unmotivated by anything other than the desires of the moment.
Now is the time to be especially careful and prepared, though. Just ask the imprisoned marchers of January three years ago. Do not jump off that ledge into war just because someone (be it politician or masked thug) dares you to. The left would love to have an excuse to try and make an example. It’d be an absolute gift of a distraction.
Tend your patch of America like it’s a gift to your children. Claw back what freedoms (which are also responsibilities, as the two are inextricable) you can. Live as the example you want to set to others.
And make your preparations well. If you’re already prepared for fire, flood, or famine, zombie apocalypse is but is short step away.
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The way I feel is that we all know a Civil War will be awful, but if the only option is living under the leftist boot in a country they no longer call the United States, then we will have to burn their “new country” completely to the ground.
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Winston Churchill, as usual, said it best: “War is terrible but slavery is worse.” What happens next, and when, depends on what a consensus defines as “slavery.”
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Same. I absolutely WILL stack bodies and burn this thing to the ground rather than live in a place that’s no longer the constitutional republic of the United States of America. Problem is, how do you know that’s really the only option? Because once that kind of thing starts, you’ve made it the only option, and we won’t be at all likely to have the constitutional republic we’d want to live in emerge from it. (If we survive it, which I’m sure I wouldn’t.) I don’t want to be part of killing the country I love, and I don’t want to die in a war either…so I wait and hope we can rescue it instead.
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War is where the Law is silent.
When folks deterimine their course of action by “How likely is someone else to kill me for this?” versus “I might get arrested and imprisoned.”, that is “war” conditions. There is an implied “organized teamwork” aspect to war, but it can be very small units.
Any place the cops hang back and let the locals sort things out is an example.
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“Any place the cops are told to hang back and let the locals sort things out is an example.”
Of course, that only applies to Party “locals”.
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Define the phrase: “Act of war”.
Just because things haven’t gone hot on a wide-scale basis…
At very least, a psychological warfare campaign has been ongoing for at least the past seven years.
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Hah! Try 60 years.
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This is true. It’s been true for a lot longer than that, too.
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The word “war” has been debased worse than our currency.
War on this-n-that political shibboleth.
“Psychological Warfare” meaning lies and gaslighting.
“Nation building” via DoD.
“Department of Defense” …. we need to put that back to “War Department” ASAP. On the new signage, show an unsheathed and fixed bayonet. Even better, add the Latin for FAFO.
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Not FAFO but this should work nicely for the Dept of War motto
Oderint dum metuant
Roughly “let them hate so long as they fear”
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According to Gurgle Translate it’s “irrumabo circuitu et quæramus”.
But translated back to English that comes out as “I will go around and search”, which I believe you’ll agree doesn’t carry quite the same message… :-P
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Out of sight, out of mind…
“Invisible idiot”
There has got to be Latin that conveys “f♤◇♧ around, find out”
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I saw an NBCnews-dot-com headline wherein an FBI stooge allegedly confessed to urging people to “kill the cops!” on January 6th. I wasn’t surprised it was a federal entrapment hoax—we’ve known that— but that people three years later are surprised.
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“Gonna have to make a slight disagreement there. Civil war, this ain’t.”
That’s because you too have the unconscious expectation of maps with arrows that you were taught in school. This is asymmetrical civil war, conducted without uniforms.
The notion that certain groups were “justified” in committing violence because of past “oppression” started going mainstream in the 90s. Obama just made it obvious.
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Newsmax interviewed a bunch of folks in South Bronx.
They want Trump to show up. Many said they want him to win.
None of them were “palefellows”.
DonkPartei be like “oh F.”
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Never Quit
“Don’t give the prick the satisfaction”
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I prefer not to call it “election fraud” but rather “improper voting.” Fraud is the very specific legal term and requires intent of the perpetrator. Many of the votes that come in did NOT come from the person supposedly named as the voter, so the “fraudster” cannot possibly be caught and prosecuted. For example, in a strong Biden district, the absentee and mail-in ballots might simply be fed through the machine 2, 3, or 4 times (by one or two partisan poll workers in the dead of night) so the “voters” never even existed! Also, many mail-in ballots surprisingly go through the machine without creases in them from having been mailed back and forth! The problem is most likely not with the machines, but with what is being fed into them. The only way to stop this “phantom votes” problem is by prevention. Strong Voter ID, especially on mail-in and absentee (including signature matches), minimum early voting, mandatory clean-up of voter rolls (in our little district we have almost 20 people over the age of 110 still voting), and Provisional ballots IF same-day registration is allowed at all.
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Which is why voting should be done at ones own precinct, with the votes all tallied there, requiring a match between the number of voters that check in and the number of ballots.
It’s having the big central multi-district vote counting centers required to count universal Vote-By-Mail that opens the door for large scale fraud.
We’ll never get rid of the last bit of retail vote fraud but we must get rid of the wholesale kind.
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I differentiate between small-scale ‘voter fraud’ committed by individual voters, and large-scale ‘election fraud’ committed by those that are supposed to be preventing fraud. We’ve seen a lot of that in the last 10 years. “Pallets full of ballots in the middle of the night.” Don’t forget, Pennsylvania counted 2.6 million mail-in ballots — but they only sent out 1.8 million. The numbers were right there on the official state government web site for months.
I suspect Chicago’s got you beat for voters over 100 years old. Hell, they’ve probably got voters over 150 years old. Like I always say:
“Grandpa voted Republican until the day he died — but he’s been voting Democrat ever since.”
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Candidate Joe Biden, August 2020: “We have assembled the most extensive, comprehensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.”
Minutes later: “What do you mean, I wasn’t supposed to say that?”
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No. It’s election fraud. It’s not improper voting. The stuff on election night 2020 was ELECTION FRAUD. Massive.
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Someone said the Floyd riots should have given a GOP landslide. Maybe they did—I don’t think anytying else would force a fraud so naked and panicked as that one. It wasn’t the King’s-New-Clothes naked, either. More like a toddler who runs screaming from the bathroom with a yard of TP hanging out of his ass.
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The “GOP” is very much like a toddler bolting from the potty, yelling in triumph, with TP and dookie trailing from its ass.
It does a shitty job, badly, for which it expresses excessive exuberance, expecting praise.
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I was talking about the Democrats’ fraud, itself.
But GOP governance is indeed frequently that bad: we’re left choosing between chronically incontinent toddlers and a party of social-Frankensteining parasites who believe collectively the maxim of Louis XIV, (in plural), Nous sommes l’État.
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The GOP is the very “loyal” opposition. Along as the graft money follows unchecked, they will only offer token resistance in order to get reelected.
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It was also that let’s face it, Biden was promising us more taxes and more immigration and less energy. No one wants that stuff.
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Fine. Find better words for it. It is not election fraud because nobody is ever prosecuted for that. By and large, these “individuals” can never be found or identified. The kind of large-scale fraud identified in this thread– another blog refers to Biden as “Mr. LOLEightyOneMillion”– were generally created by a small number– maybe even one or two people– generating hundreds or even thousands of votes into a single, central counting facility. I’ve identified some examples personally during an audit. Can we say “election theft” or “election cheating on a grand scale”? What I hear constantly from the hyperpartisans is “There was no election fraud.” We need a different term.
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No. It doesn’t matter what words you choose, the “hyperpartisan” will say that didn’t take place either.
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Yep. It’s not the WORDS.
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Sorry, but words matter, especially, I would think, to an author. The problem here is that the corrupt have carefully defined the word “fraud” to mean ONLY “voter impersonation” by an individual, in person. They have not only limited this definition in law, but are aided by “you cannot find what you do not seek,” and can thus say with some truth “there is no election fraud.” We need a new word, supported by both anecdote and vast reams of evidence, to convince those who do not want to believe of the reality. I know for fact that in one precinct, the ballots were run through the counter 3 times. In another, the 50% of ballots that were mail-in had no creases in them. In a third, there were 75 Biden ballots all in a row, all at the bottom of the stack. There were dozens of precincts where voter turnout was 120% of registered voters. There were 10s of 1000s of same day registrant mailings came back as “no such person or address.” Election judges here are told they are NOT allowed to ask for ID, unless for a same-day registrant. Then they can present a drivers license from ANY state, including any of the 18 states that issues them to illegal aliens. Add in mail-in ballots that exceed the number mailed out, and a number of ballots counted after midnight that exceed the capacity of the counting machines. There are many changes needed to the law and then we need somebody enforcing those laws– when now even the few laws already on the books are routinely ignored in some places. How about “election integrity”?
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You are simply describing various mechanisms of election fraud. We do not give up a perfectly valid word just because our enemies pretend it does not mean what it means.
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I am sorry, but that battle is already lost. The left has redefined the word “fraud” to mean only what they want it to mean, and nothing more. They have managed to write that into law such that all the forms of “fraud” that we have discussed and are obvious are NOT fraud by their definition. Add to that they simply do not go looking for “fraud” by their definition, enabling them to say with a straight face that “there is no election fraud,” and many, many people want to believe it. WE know they are liars, cheats, and worse, but that doesn’t matter. What is required is to take over the legislature and FORCE election law changes that PREVENT all of the known means of what you want to call “fraud.” Detecting it is very difficult to find and nearly impossible to prosecute.
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No. You don’t get to define the language just because the people who should be prosecuting the crime are ignoring the crime. That doesn’t make it NOT a crime. Lack of prosecution does not make it NOT fraud, it just means they’re getting away without legal consequences. (As differentiated from the ‘I see what you’re doing’ consequences.)
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Horse shit. Lack of prosecution neither makes nor unmakes the law.
The State Constitutions are the highest law of the land in each State. The State Constitutions specify the manner and form in which elections are to be conducted. When elections are conducted in any other way, that is a breach of the law.
P-E-R-I-O-D.
This whole argument could have been avoided if someone – anyone! – had filed a suit requiring the State election commissions, individually and/or severally, to prove that the election was conducted in accordance with the law. This matters because it is a maxim of law that when proper form is not followed the result is a nullity, void. Go back and do it again right.
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“This whole argument could have been avoided if someone – anyone! – had filed a suit requiring the State election commissions, individually and/or severally, to prove that the election was conducted in accordance with the law.”
Only if the courts are willing to try the cases. In over 90% of the cases, at both state and Federal levels, they refused to even let the cases into court on various BS procedural grounds. Only YEARS later, when the damage has been done, have some of them relented. And when they do, the evidence is there.
Here’s Emerald Robinson’s series on recent events in GA:
https://www.emerald.tv/p/christmas-countdown-six-days-of-georgia
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We the People have grown forgetful of our awesome power and responsibility. It is still not too late to assemble peaceably to consult for our common good and serve our government servants with properly formed formal notices informing them of our grievances and demanding specific redress. It is starting to be done in a few places. Here’s how:
https://gbraclub.org/how-to-compose-a-notice-to-legislators-and-government-agents
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Yes, when elections are conducted counter to the law, it is FRAUD. Period. When the violations happen. NOT when they are proven. The crime exists before the court ever gets involved. The courts job is the consequences. You’re the one that is saying that it’s not fraud until proven, which directly contradicts “lack of prosecution neither makes nor unmakes the law.”
Get your head out of your ass and quit trying to make excuses for their dereliction of duty.
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No excuses for their evil actions. In my view they all need a good neck stretching.
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Yet you’re in here making excuses for them because there hasn’t been a conviction. You’re saying unless there is a conviction, there is no crime.
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I am not making excuses. I am arguing for due process.
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No you are not. You are conflating due process (which is accorded to individuals fromally accused of a crime) and the commission of a crime. It is as stupid as saying it can’t be raining because the weatherman said it was sunny.
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Unless there IS a conviction, not is no conviction.
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Unless there is a conviction there can be no sentence, unless there is a sentence there can be no execution (as in carry out the sentence, not necessarily return the bastards to room temperature.
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None of that means there has been no crime, just that no one has been held responsible for it.
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Exactly!
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Which is the opposite of the position you have been arguing.
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Election Rape
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There is no crime that ceases to be a crime because corrupt officials do not punish it.
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But by not punishing the crime, you provide an incentive for more and larger crimes. As I said, let’s quit focusing on the unpunished crimes we all know occurred, concentrate on informing a majority of voters that the crime DID occur AND that something should be done about it going forward. Just the threat of citizen action works well; I’ve participated and seen it.
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No. It is FRAUD. Calling it anything else gives them a figleaf. Makes it from “This was a CRIME” to “Oh, oops. So sorry.” It is not an oopsie. It is a deliberate crime. It is fraud.
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No, it is fraud when it has been proved in court. Until then it is an irregularity. The reason Trump’s law suits kept getting thrown out was because they could not be allowed to be brought to trial as THEN evidence would be presented.
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No. It is fraud. Not proving it doesn’t make it not fraud, any more than not catching a murderer makes a death not murder. It is fraud. The crime is there. Quit applying British thought to American processes.
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The crime is there, proven or not; that’s why the modifier of “proven in a court of law” is given to some things, rather than simply that the crime HAPPENED.
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Oh, I grant that the whole process was fraudulent. But one must be careful of how one uses words.
What we have is election irregularities that point to ALLEGED FRAUD. In order to prove fraud you must be able to prove exactly who did what, when it was done, how it was done and that it was done knowingly and with criminal intent. Because the wicked bastards have been doing everything possible to prevent those details coming to light we don’t have that.
As far as British though applied to American processes, consider this. The Common Law is the basis for all law in the United States. The Common Law was appropriated wholesale by the Founders from English Common Law. If you are not basing law on the Common Law you are operating outside the American legal system.
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No. We have fraud. Full stop. As for Common Law, I am not talking about the extant common law that was adopted as a basis for our legal system. That was a specific reference to the fact that the brits do not count it as murder unless they get a conviction. In the US that is not the case. A murder is a murder regardless of conviction. The difference in attitude and precedent carries over into other fields. Theft is theft if you don’t catch the thief. Murder is murder if you don’t catch the murderer. Fraud is fraud if you don’t catch the fraudster. You whining we’re wrong doesn’t change that. You may say there are five lights when there are four, but all that does is give them more power. I won’t give them such power. The emperor is as naked as the day he was born. There are four lights. And fraud is fraud.
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There is a reason we don’t find guilt, convict and execute sentence prior to trial. Clearly a large number of people have conspired to commit treason (upping the ante here), which upon trial and conviction ought to be cancelled with extreme prejudice. We have courts to provide justice based on facts presented before the People subject to the law. Else every man becomes an unaccountable judge, jury and executioner. This we want to avoid.
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Missing the point. There is fraud. Period. Every man is stopped from being judge, jury, and executioner, because we do have laws and a system for justice. To
executeimprison someone, there has to be a crime and proof (there is), to point that crime and proof to a specific actor or actors, and prosecute the deeds in a court of law to a conviction and sentence. It is the last pieces that are missing.Doesn’t mitigate the fraud happened.
Doesn’t mean that the fraud can’t be prevented with appropriate measures without specific individuals being prosecuted and punished.
We know how to limit the fraud. We need to do that.
Changing the process and making sure in the future if fraud is committed again, who and how can be known no matter how many methods they use, or how many are they. Without identifying those who committed the fraud before.
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When the courts refuse to do their job, what is the alternative?
I can understand why the courts refuse. If they even hint at uncovering election fraud, they are threatened with mob violence. Their families are threatened, as happened in Detroit in 2020 to a commissioner reluctant to certify that fraudulent election, in which some precincts had over 200% voter turnout. Soros sock-puppet prosecutors refuse to file the cases.
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When you use violence and brutality to bring about social change, your cause will be taken over by violent brutes.
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You are conflating saying a crime has been committed and the process of finding out who did it. We do not become judge, jury, and executioner unless we actually hunt down individual people. Saying that fraud has been blatantly committed is NOT violating anyone’s due process. You trying to say there is no crime unless there is a conviction is blatantly and egregiously heling them get away with it!
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You are all mightily missing the point. You are concentrating on the fact that a “crime” occurred, and we would like the perpetrators to receive a slap on the wrist or be drawn and quartered on national TV, depending on taste. The problem is that the votes have already counted and the usurper is on the throne, greatly rewarded at the expense of our liberties. Election integrity, enshrined in law to PREVENT as many means of “improper voting” as possible, is FAR, far better. For example, only 36 states require voter ID. Should that not be higher? How can states say there is no voter impersonation– what Leftists say is the only kind of “fraud”– if you don’t even ask?
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No. I am not missing the point at all. If folk fig leaf it as ‘irregularities’ then there is only minimal incentive and pressure to actually fix it. If there is FRAUD, then it is much harder to hide that there is something to be fixed.
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Except TPTB tell us often that “there is no election fraud” and we ran “the most secure [or honest] election in history” in 2020, and we’ve never proven substantial “fraud” in court. Yet old “Basement babbler Joe” got 81 million votes. You have a choice. Either you convince people that everything they already know for certain is wrong and that there WAS fraud in the election, or you can let that go and get to work making sure it does not happen in the NEXT election. Come to think of it, you may have to convince enough people that “fraud” did occur to pass laws preventing it from happening again. My argument, in the face of leftist control of State government, is that if “nobody” is exploiting the [lack of] law to cheat, then what is the harm in prohibiting those things that “nobody” is doing? And that make people believe elections really are honest, which the majority currently do NOT?
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The point went so far over your head you’d need a rocket to find it. The point is it doesn’t damn well matter if we find another word for it. They’ll try and discredit ANY effort to change things because there isn’t a problem. The answer is to point out the emperor is as naked as the day that he was born. Yes, try and fix things but the biggest part is convincing people the changes are necessary. I’ve seen people try your argument. They get laughed at even harder. The same rounds of “it’s not broke so don’t fix it” counters those arguments. YES you need to convince people there is a problem in order to get them to FIX the problem. Which is why saying ‘irregularities’ and ‘this will make people feel better’ won’t work. The people “feel better” will work on are the ones benefiting from the fraud. They’re not going to go for it. Yes, poke whoever can be poked to tighten election laws. Oppose mail in voting where you can. But don’t stop pointing out that the emperor is naked because someone might be offended.
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I don’t care if they are offended or not. Locally we have had a huge effect on election practices– insisting on balanced election judges, clear hand-counting audits, and ballot security. Still much to do, but there was an obvious response to just a few of us asking pointed questions.
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Good. But none of that happens by pretending that there isn’t fraud. Saying that we CANNOT call it fraud unless there is a conviction defangs many (if not all) of those very pointed questions. And THAT is where this whole argument started way up thread.
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She’s not saying “I’m offended.”
She’s pointing out you are at best a hazard to the side you claim to be supporting.
And then explaining how and why your reasoning stinks on ice, in a wide range of ways.
Will you please stop acting like you’re on the other side?
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I never said that no crime had been committed, obviously it has. What I’m saying that as no court has heard the case no evidence has been presented nor any crime proved.
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You started this by saying we could not call it fraud until there was a conviction.
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This is the problem with this part of the discussion; we are arguing semantics about the past, when we should be talking about how to avoid a /repeat/ of the “shenanigans” and untrustworthiness of the last election, as we know it to be. Call it anything you want but a majority of people will not believe you. Sure, they believe in “voter fraud” just like they believe in UFOs– basically agnostic– and certainly not enough to DO something to prevent it. If you can convince them of something they do not WANT to believe, more power to you, but making people distrust our elections is BAD. VERY BAD. Better you should DO SOMETHING that makes these criminals think twice about repeating it. I’ve suggested posting round-the-clock “watchers” at all dropboxes, and letting it be known. That’s just one idea. And you maybe can push legislation by saying “if no one is cheating this way, what is the harm in prohibiting it in law?” Make them PROVE no one is cheating this way; they cannot.
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They will have the ‘dropbox watchers’ arrested. Just like they had the multi-partisan observers removed at gunpoint from the vote counting rooms, accompanied by loud cheers. They taped cardboard over the windows so nobody could even watch from outside.
If they don’t want you to watch them count your votes, they are up to no good.
They will do whatever it takes to go on denying the undeniable.
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Thus the truism about voting your way into socialism but not out.
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So the solution is just to quit voting altogether, because they will cheat and we can’t stop them from cheating? At minimum, we should be TRYING to catch them cheating and if they obstruct us, it gives us ammunition to let everybody know they cheat. Have you seen “2000 mules” yet? Better yet, let your local election officials KNOW you are watching and will make loud noises if anything isn’t on the up-and-up. Works for me, and it’s much better than just giving up.
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No. The solution is to make them fraud so much everyone can see!
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So much that it cannot be unseen. I think everyone with a functioning brain and an internet connection can see the fraud by now.
Next level stuff is when they manage to fraud, I dunno, 180% of the votes in podunk county Republican to the grave districts across several states. They’re already hitting 105% in the urban collectives (never mind the statistical impossibility).
There are already democrats leaving the plantation over the shenanigans of the past few years. It comes to a point where they either have to admit they are wrong, or insane. When the things they were fighting for yesterday are suddenly radical right issues.
Few people, I think, gradually shift parties. More often, it’s the party that leaves them or they receive such a hard shock that they start questioning the unquestionable, and end up outside the bubble.
Democrats are de facto supporting every unconscionable thing save cannibalism. They’re getting really, really bad at hiding it, too. They are led publicly by (non AOSHQ) morons, doddering old liars, the honestly mentally deficient, the insane, and criminals (non exclusive- some cover several bases here).
They will fraud because they know it WORKS. They did it to defeat the biggest threat the democrat party has faced in living memory.
And they did it so blatantly that the whole world saw it. At least, everyone that was paying attention.
Now though? Too many people have learned they have to pay attention. All the Republicans need to do is not f*ck it up.
Normally, I’d say we’re doomed. But, 2016. It happened once. It can happen again. The stupid party just needs to find its balls again. I mean, they’ve got the living examples already! Even if you hate Trump, just look at Javier Milei! That guy’s got some ideas I like.
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The big danger right now is the invasion. Yes, deportation is possible. Will anyone but Trump do it?
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Can’t think of one. DeSantis? I have doubts about the guy. Seems pretty good, but… Doubts.
I do like the shipping of illegals to those who say they so desperately support them. But. I gotta say, Trump sets a pretty high bar for getting stuff done.
And that other guy, even if he’s not American. Firing bureaucrats? Beautiful.
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The Reader thinks that a Javier Milei here would drive our left even further crazy than Trump, because he obviously means it.
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I’m initiating a search for our Javier Milei.
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The Reader has been looking but hasn’t found a likely candidate yet.
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There were Detroit precincts with over 200% turnout in 2020.
Nothing was done. Demokrats screamed loudly that there was No Election Fraud!, threatened and attacked anybody claiming there was.
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Glad you want to do something. Here’s something effective. Read you State Constitution.
Get on Telegram and look up Notice 101 with Dave Jose audiobook interest group. Buy the program (not all that expensive). Begin putting together a notice for your State legislature (i’d be willing to help if you like). Decide what it is you want to instruct your legislature to do regarding elections going forward. Get a bunch of people to sign it. Send it to your legislators. Contact the legislators who might be friendly and begin teaching them.
If you can get most of that done you will have a good start to changing things. How say you?
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Way ahead of you. We have had a statewide Election Integrity group since 2021. We have a legislative sub-committee and submitted multiple bills but unfortunately do not control the Legislature. We have contacted all local election officials and reviewed current law with them, and asked bluntly if those laws are being followed, many are not but we had a great positive response. We have a publicity sub-committee that tries to inform the masses of the many holes in our election laws, noting that we have the LOOSEST election laws in the country, despite our Secretary of State’s (a hyperpartisan Democrat) proclamations to the contrary. We succeeded in getting some mail-in precincts converted back to in-person. We actually had a good and visible response in 2022. Not all we would like, obviously. We are recruiting many more Election Judges and getting them placed in precincts AND on absentee/mail-in ballot boards. We may have fewer dropboxes next year. A number of lawsuits still under way to make the law be followed.
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Excellent! Here’s some more firepower for you. At the bottom of the page at this link there is a video of Dave Jose explaining a practical application of his method and four or five examplas of notices. Two things to note:
All political power is with the People
The government is to be the servant of the People and amenable to them at all times.
https://gbraclub.org/ginning-up-tds-hysteria-and-laying-down-predictive-programming
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So Jack the Ripper didn’t murder anyone?
Nope. It is fraud.
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Way to miss the point. The murder was certainly committed, but until Jack’s guilt is proved there can be no sentence or or execution of the sentence.
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Which doesn’t happen if you insist on a conviction before you will say a crime has happened.
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Nice moving of the goal posts. You literally and explicitly state that a crime becomes the named crime when the perpetrator is convicted.
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Maybe I can offer a “compromise” to this definitional debate. How about this: Yes, the reality is that something improper/unethical/criminal took place. We can semantically argue over what that reality is called– some insist “fraud” is the right word. Whatever. The OTHER reality is that most people will not believe it until a perpetrator is identified, tried and convicted of a specific crime. And you can call it anything you want but if “the law” calls it something else, like “not a crime” or “no proof” then people will not believe a crime was committed. SO, once again I say that it is difficult in the extreme to prove to people that something they want to believe did not happen, have been told ad nauseum did not happen and been informed by the courts did not happen, actually happened and that you know they are wrong and you know right because…
Quit trying to tell people that what they know for certain is wrong. At this point even proof positive will not change their mind and would not matter if it did; it is water over the dam. What MUST happen is to put in place the means to prevent the massive election theft of 2020/2022 from happening in 2024. Since WE know how it was done, we can concentrate our efforts on fixing as many of those cheats as we can. I’ve named some of them. You might look into TruetheVote.org for other ideas.
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Election Rape
Is more accurate
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Color Revolution.
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Don’t know what kind of event will kick off something resembling the much-heralded “boog”, or where, or even when – but I’m pretty certain it will be election-related. There is such an ominous feeling in the air, just now – people are short of temper, especially in traffic – and loosing it in random and violent ways, There isn’t even much anticipation regarding Christmas; we noticed that people have not decorated their yards and houses quite so enthusiastically as in previous years. The USPS is backed up in delivery by at least four days. I have hardly seen any UPS deliveries in our neighborhood, where a couple of years ago, they rented a POD parked in a driveway at the bottom of the hill and made runs in a little electric golf cart with trailer, delivering packages. It’s like that ending scene in the first Terminator movie, when Linda Hamilton looks up at the dark cloud louring over the distant mountain range, and the old Hispanic guy says “There’s a storm coming” and she replies, “I know.”
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I love that scene from Terminator!
“One of the peculiarities of civil war is that it is hard to say, except in retrospect, when a nation has passed the point of no return. There is rarely anything so distinct as Caesar’s fateful crossing of the Rubicon. It is, rather, like falling into a black hole: there is an “event horizon,” at some distance from the singularity, beyond which nothing can escape. To a space-traveler falling through it, there is no visible difference, no noticeable boundary—but once you have crossed that fateful border, there’s no possibility of turning back. All future timelines must pass through the singularity.”
It’s not something we can really see in the here and now, it’s for future historians to look back and debate and decide that was the moment it started.
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Here’s my THIRD attempt at post a reply Thankyou WordPress.
I love that scene from Terminator.
“One of the peculiarities of civil war is that it is hard to say, except in retrospect, when a nation has passed the point of no return. There is rarely anything so distinct as Caesar’s fateful crossing of the Rubicon. It is, rather, like falling into a black hole: there is an “event horizon,” at some distance from the singularity, beyond which nothing can escape. To a space-traveler falling through it, there is no visible difference, no noticeable boundary—but once you have crossed that fateful border, there’s no possibility of turning back. All future timelines must pass through the singularity.
Is that where we are today? For the answer to be “no” means either that one side in this great political conflict will simply admit defeat, or that there will be some softening of grievances, some sort of coming together in a newly formed political center. Does that seem likely?
Looking at the yawning rift in American politics—the fundamentally incompatible visions of society and government that the two factions hold, the dehumanizing mutual antipathy that finds freer expression every day, the unforgettable damage already done, and the implacable fury with which they grapple for every atom of power—can any of us imagine some way forward in which Right and Left just “bury the hatchet” and “hug it out”?”
https://malcolmpollack.com/2023/12/21/is-this-it/
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https://malcolmpollack.com/2023/12/21/is-this-it/
One of the peculiarities of civil war is that it is hard to say, except in retrospect, when a nation has passed the point of no return. There is rarely anything so distinct as Caesar’s fateful crossing of the Rubicon. It is, rather, like falling into a black hole: there is an “event horizon,” at some distance from the singularity, beyond which nothing can escape. To a space-traveler falling through it, there is no visible difference, no noticeable boundary—but once you have crossed that fateful border, there’s no possibility of turning back. All future timelines must pass through the singularity.
Is that where we are today? For the answer to be “no” means either that one side in this great political conflict will simply admit defeat, or that there will be some softening of grievances, some sort of coming together in a newly formed political center. Does that seem likely?
Looking at the yawning rift in American politics—the fundamentally incompatible visions of society and government that the two factions hold, the dehumanizing mutual antipathy that finds freer expression every day, the unforgettable damage already done, and the implacable fury with which they grapple for every atom of power—can any of us imagine some way forward in which Right and Left just “bury the hatchet” and “hug it out”?
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My prediction is that the war will kick off when the Demoncrat Regime sends its footsoliders out to arrest a red state governor.
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It will be someone that both parties loathe, to give it “legitimacy”, and prevent impeachment of the perpetrators.
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I see lots of decorations, but the mood is off. Not grumpy, or unhappy, just … off. I know I’m not feeling “Christmas,” but it is because Life has interfered with my plans for the holidays.
The mall is busy, but not as busy as it used to be. Ditto several stores I’ve been into or driven past, but tomorrow may be the busy day.
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The children are worried, it just hit me about what I saw in the store today. The Children are worried, there’s not a lot of hope, and at Christmas time. And all their parents are rushing as if they hope there is still time. Time to start praying I think.
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No normal presents this year, everyone wants cash or ammo.
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I always want cash and ammo. I am not normal, it seems. (Nobody ever gives them to me, which is normal, it seems.)
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Similar here. I just started saying, “Merry Christmas,” but until today nobody said it spontaneously to me. The mall population is up a bit, but it’s still been a long way from when you had to be a parking lot vulture to get a space.
I’m also having people spontaneously announce that “something’s gonna happen.”
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Keep in mind that the rising costs of everything is not something people like to think about at Christmas time. So regardless of anything else, I suspect people are already inclined to be less jolly than usual this time of year.
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Also, folks are really dipping in. Saw the numbers recently. 6.5 trillion in savings in November 2020. .75 trillion today. A loss to inflation, desperation and growing expenses of 5.5 Trillion dollars! I know my retirement saving lost to the market and inflation exceed 30%. And that is with shifting and taking great care.
My store doing okay, but we are a discounter. People openly angry and fearful. Spontaneously speak about being prepared and such a shame they lost all weapons in that tragic accident/flood/tornado etc.
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It was pretty enlightening entertainment watching the left react to the Hamas savagery and seeing lefty Jews make a shocked Pikachu face about how much hateful shit they’re getting from their fellow travelers (“Well what did you THINK decolonization looked like?” is one priceless quote.) Here’s to hoping the American Jews wise the hell up and the left alienates and drives them away from it’s awful self forever. Raises can of Cherry Dr. Pepper Zero
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You can not be a Jew, Catholic, Protestants or Islamic, and be a Progressive, Thou Shall Have No God Before Marx. No man can serve two masters. They were their faith like a Brooks Brothers suit.
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They disagree. They also wear their hypocrisy with pride.
That won’t work. Try again.
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A good number will still continue defend their secular brothers that are helping fund the mess until the very end. And their own ancestors and a bunch of other groups will look at them and say “First Time?”
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“It’s like that ending scene in the first Terminator movie…” I love that scene!
Yeah by and large we are all still very wait and see, but I think future historians will be able to see this time we’re in now as the begining, or at least a prelude of the new civil war/Boog/whatever you want to call it. If the left was smart they would back off and release some pressure with the Trump valve but they’re too dumb and/or power hungry to do that. I personally think it’ll look alot like “What I Saw at the Coup.” By Matthew Bracken, but I’ll admit I could be wrong.
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For some of us, in some places, the masks started slipping earlier. For me it was New York City in the 1970s. The lack of tolerance from the “tolerant” left was blatant and, in some cases, violent. There’s a reason most Jewish venues there have had anti-vehicle bollards in front of the entrances for decades.
Not that I was able to convince many of my fellow Jews of this. As you said, they couldn’t believe it because it was too outrageous. Hopefully, the political results of the October 11 attacks in Israel, and the worldwide spike in antisemitic statements and actions will open their eyes. Sadly, all too many of them have invested too much time and energy in their public faces to easily change.
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Pride is one of the hardest. For most people, including me. Humility is a hard school, and it requires sacrifice that cuts deeper than blood. One has to let go a piece of themselves, like cutting off a finger, to take that step.
At least, that’s how it seems.
I am not surprised by those who defend their utterly ludicrous positions even now. Pity, more than anger is what comes most often. That and disappointment.
It is the hard shock that comes when they are forced to face something they never questioned before that causes the soothing narrative they’ve lived their lives in to stutter to a stop. For some, I expect it was the antisemitism that’s been there for nearly a century now.
For others, it was the abuse of children. Still others, the abandonment of women. For some, it was the destruction of the black family.
I’ve heard it said by ex democrats that it was the party not living up to what they themselves thought were the democrat ideals. Standing up for the working man. Not being bought by Wall St. Tolerance. Defending civil liberties- now where do the D’s stand on that today?
Folks are waking up and leaving the woke every day now. I’m glad to see them come to their senses, but sad that they have to come to it this way. Finding out that everyone you thought was your friend- your family, even your employer- is now dead set against you is a shock to those who never even questioned such things.
Like humility, liberty can be a hard thing to handle. Because that freedom comes inextricably attached to responsibility. You can fail when you are free. Badly. That’s the point that trips a lot of folks up. The pampered, protected ones mostly, and the young.
But that’s the thing. Liberty means you can try again. You’re not eternally a failure, forever. You can pick yourself back up and keep trying. And eventually succeed. Liberty means there’s nobody there to stop you but you.
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It started in the sixties for most people as a wonderful dream, their dream for a better tomorrow, it has turned into the Nazi Party of the 1930’s. As they see it and the masks fall off, their anger grows. It is the democrats and socialist republicans that are fracturing, not the main stream americans. It is almost amusing to watch the Rhino’s switch from one candidate to the next while little Chrispy Creeme sits his fat ass on the beach eating donuts all by himself crying “I have not yet begun to Eat!”. May you live in interesting times he said.
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The Demokrats have been rewarding their failures for the last 60 years. They’re happy to be failures. The problem is you meanies that expect them to actually accomplish something and earn the rewards.
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Sure. For me publishing knocked all the masks off. And university.
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Scott Adams had an interesting comment yesterday. He said now that they’re showing that they’re willing to rig the election by removing Trump from the ballot, it becomes ACCEPTABLE to see that 2020 may have been stolen.
And Matt Taibbi said that all the political capitol Trump burned at the J6 rally has been restored, the left has scared people with their awful idea of how “democracy” works.
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Trump didn’t burn any capital J6. Any burn was the slander by the MSM and the current occupiers after.
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I have a sinking feeling that the number of people who think it’s acceptable to “save democracy” by simply not letting certain candidates be voted for will be much larger than we’d like. Maybe the other side of the coin is that the people who do see that tactic for what it is will be enough make some kind of difference.
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The real sinking feeling is how many “conservatives” are showing they’re comfortable with it.
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Note that under their state statute and court ruling, Colorado will refuse to count even write in votes for Trump. Complete, 100%, felony-level denial of 1st Amendment rights.
They’d better get that overturned, or I predict that there will be at least 4 state supreme court justices decorating lamp posts in Denver. And justifiably so.
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I’m not sure the Harvard/Ivy 4 have much to fear, Hanging the judges seems much to abstract a concept for most of the Colorado voting public.
It is clear to me that all our ideas that there is some overwhelming strategist on the Demoncrat side seem at best dubious and likely need a rethink. Why do this in Colorado other than you can? Colorado has been solidly blue the last 4 elections particularly for the Turnip in chief (Makes our Hostesses claims of fraud by mail quite believable). I would think Pennsylvania or Virginia being more purpleish and less dependable would have been more valuable targets. And of course why do it NOW instead of closer to the actual election (say once Trump was chosen as Republican candidate). Supreme court as currently constituted is likely to toss this out as 18 U.S. Code § 2383 – Rebellion or insurrection (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383) makes clear the crime, and Trump has neither been charged nor convicted of said crime. If you’d done it closer to the election the Supreme court might not have been able to act quickly enough to get Trump back on the Ballot but here they could probably stick it into the docket for a full decision in June. At most this will toss him off the primary and Republicans will revert to caucuses. Usually it the Rpublicans tgat do stupid thoughtless ineffectual crap like this (thus stupid party).
Looks like someone is trying to win brownie points for being extra enthusiastic in the 2 minute hate.
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The idea is to get him off the ballot in one state first, then take him off a bunch of other state ballots.
What the democrats are doing is truly exactly the same as the evil the Nazis did in the early 1930s.
Satan is looking to install his servants as rulers in a new fascist nation to replace America.
God damn them.
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How can they call Trump a Nazi when they’re the ones following the Nazi playbook page for page?
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It takes a LOT of Education to make somebody that stupid.
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Hypocrisy for them is a bludgeon and not a sin. It’s meant to demoralize us.
They’ve already elected a rapist pedophile, they’ll eventually elect a mass murderer.
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You know as well as I do that they always accuse us of the sins that they’re committing.
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The only reason Nazis didn’t call Jews Nazis was that the term was not a pejorative at the time.
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It was a test run. Like all cowards, they do their tesy runs in places where they’re unlikely to lose.
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My grandpatents were proud Democrat Union organizers (read “enforcers”) and loved everything Democrat. Democrats were beyond reproach, and if one was accused of anything nasty, he was obviously framed by Evul Repiblitards. They raised my father as a Gud Democrat, and he escaped at the earliest possible moment. Thank Heavens.
Consider here that they both died in the 90’s.
I had an interesting conversation with Grandma once. I think she was trying to convince me that Republicans were Evul, but I only remember part of the conversation.
“I would vote for the Devil himself if he ran as a Democrat!”
Random back and forth.
“I would never vote for a woman! They can’t be trusted!”
“What if a woman ran as a Democrat?”
Silence, glare and walk away.
I could never figure out how Republicans could simultaneously be So Stupid as not to understand that they should be Democrats, and So Smart that they never got caught cheating. Obviously they were cheating, because all the good people were Democrats, and yet the Republicans kept winning!
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Some people who claim to be Republicans do cheat. The sooner they’re caught and disenfranchised, the better for the party. And better to be caught and punished, severely, in party, than to have the Dems catch wind of it and make enough hay to tank the market.
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We also have documented cases where Democrats have volunteered for Republican campaigns, and then committed obvious fraud.
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THAT’s more like it.
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No. They don’t. They’d be caught. FAST. In fact there have been a few. At dog catcher level. And it was used for “both sides.”
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The Democrats are also emulating Putin, who just had one of the candidates against him in the next Russian election removed from the ballot. Of course it was the Democrats who colluded with Putin to try to prevent Trump winning in 2016, and who, as soon as they installed Biden as the puppet POTUS, effectively invited Putin to invade Ukraine, conveniently enabling them to cover-up how much Democratic Party bribe and other such money was laundered through Ukraine.
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They are? Who just got poisoned with Polonium?
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Contrary to the early stories, it’s apparently three Ivy Leaguers. The last of the four, Justice Hood, graduated from Syracuse and UV.
Just setting the record straight.
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Because the Supreme Court will do NOTHING.
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I strongly disagree. There was no insurrection. The supposed ringleader told his supporters to go home peacefully and didn’t interfere with the transition of power.
Enough people see that that SCOTUS won’t dare let itself be seen as anti-democracy and anti-due-process. The Colorado SC decision will be overturned 9-0 (or maybe 8-1 but I think Jackson has a better sense of what’s good for her reputation than that no matter what she thinks about the case.)
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No, KJB is a committed leftist, she’ll vote against Trumpenhitler. It’ll be 8-1.
But if it’s 5-4 the war is much closer than we think.
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Whether or not they are partisan hacks, smart diversity hires usually don’t want to shout it to the rooftops. She has a lifetime appointment. This vote will have no practical effect but could hurt her reputation. I think she’ll go along to get along.
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We’ll see. The sense I got from her confirmation is that she’s been promoted far past her competence.
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She was promoted far past her competence when she graduated from 6th grade.
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I’d prefer she go along because it’s the Constitutional thing to do. But then I wish I could fly too.
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ER…. WE Know there was no insurrection. However the SOCUS has already said that they will let the lower courts decide it.
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Even SCOTUS isn’t immune to the failure of being silent and thought fools, than speaking and removing all doubt.
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But as usual the SOCUS are being cowards and not realizing what this will mean in the end. Or maybe they WANT a civil war. who knows?
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Judge Dredd for Supreme Court.
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I think they know what’s in store for them if someone who is motivated and isn’t a member of the club starts to expose the wholesale theft, rape, and murder they’ve been getting away with for the last generation or so ends up in charge. I don’t think Trump understood just how bad it is, but he does now.
The Epstein Eight are just the beginning.
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yes. This. Precisely this.
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c4c
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I decided to focus my support to organizations that identified the election of 2020 as unfair and are working toward election integrity.
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As long as you’re aware ERIC (whatever the words are) is none of those.
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Its ERIC.
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ERIC is a commie front financed by Soros.
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That’s a no squidder!
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Somebody looked into ERIC. Here there was exactly ONE voter removed from the rolls all year. At least one state has passed legislation prohibiting ERIC from “helping” the state. We have a law that dead voters (as submitted by Social Security) be removed each month. Our worthless Secretary of State says he doesn’t have to because they have ERIC.
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“Because you can’t win elections rigged against you.”
Well, maybe not now. But Trump proved it could be done in 2016 by concentrating his efforts in key electoral states, and by H.R. Clinton & Co. drastically underestimating Trump’s popularity and egregiously overestimating how beloved (gag) Hilarity was.
As noted many times already, the Dems took that into consideration with the amount and states they needed to fraud, and they won the bet, barely, on whether Americans would buy the BS, even with evidence slapping them in the face.
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I think that’s going to be my new term for the failed 2016 candidate: (Gag) Hillary.
“What Happened?”
“Simple. A majority of the American people voted against you.”
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In the recent past, I saw no way for the “falling masks” to make a dent in the mindset of the relatively sane, but moderately liberal (why can’t we all just get along). Without actively reading conservative sites, they are NEVER aware of anything beyond the NYT, WP narrative. But something has changed, and it’s Oct 7. More importantly, it’s the left’s response to Oct 7 that is awakening a whole bunch of those people. Oh, not the crazies – they’re forever gone. But there’s a huge swath that will still say they can’t stand Trump, but are reevaluating their relationship to the rest of politics.
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They’ll still vote for the Turnip in chief, because they’re told that he’s better than “Literally Hitler.” After all, they may be sickened by the way people are acting, but those people don’t “represent” them! The D party is still on the side of Right!
The media said so. The Media is completely impartial and also on the side of Right.
I have listened to this garbage. Sadly, they actually believe it.
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There are two things to keep in mind. First, there are public reactions by experts to some of the more blatant power plays. For instance, the Trump decision in Colorado has had even lefty law experts publicly stating that the decision was a horrible one, and they’re confident that the USSC will overturn it (some even stating it might be overturned unanimously, though at the very least I’m pretty confident that the court’s ultimate dim bulb, Ms. Diversity Justice, will vote to uphold it). If you’re a lefty, and your favorite analyst suddenly says, “This is waaay out of bounds,” that can catch your attention.
Second, eventually all of the stuff being pushed starts to percolate down to the lower levels. And then even the most coddled members of the public can wake up and say, “What is this crap!?” We see that going on right now with school board meetings, where the local school boards are resorting to more and more drastic measures to get the local parents (who in many cases vote Democrat) to stop exposing the horrible things that are being introduced into the local schools.
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The Democrats don’t care, the same way they ignored many of those some leftist professors and “:experts” when they impeached Trump twice and engaged in their other shenanigans. Their lust for power knows no limits, and they cannot be bargained with or reasoned with.
The Democrats will not only try to remove Trump from the ballot. Once they do so, states like Colorado will act to remove Congressional candidates who supported Trump or have been critical of the J6 show trials, by declaring that they to engaged in and supported ‘insurrection” and are therefore disqualified from being on the ballot and holding office. Indeed the J6 show trial members repeatedly declared that they thought some of their Congressional colleagues were ‘insurrectionists” who should be disqualified from office.
The Democrats are all-in in 2024 in their quest to achieve absolute power.
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That’s where they appear to be headed.
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Are we talking about the hard core Democrats? Or are we talking about the average person who happens to vote Democrat? Because I thought we were talking about the latter, but you’re bringing up the former.
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USSC is saying nah bra, let the undercourts decide it.
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USSC hasn’t said anything yet, as it just happened. And as many have noted, this isn’t talking about whether there was election fraud. This is a court openly and flagrantly violating the very basic constitutional principle of “innocent until proven guilty”. That’s why even many on the left are convinced that the high court will throw this thing out.
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No. They passed on hearing it.
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Sarah, is it possible that you’re confusing the CO case with this one involving Jack Smith:
“The Supreme Court denied certiorari—rejecting the special counsel’s request for expedited review of Trump’s immunity claims.”
Because I can’t find a peep that SCOTUS has even come back to decide if it will take CO.
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It is possible. I’m not in my best health just now.
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Yeah, it’s too soon to expect the high court to issue anything regarding the Colorado case. Even the emergency stay that I expect wouldn’t be out yet.
And rejecting Jack Smith’s direct appeal to the high courts (his attempt to skip over all of the lower courts, and maintain control over when Trump’s trial takes place) is good news.
Which reminds me – I’m not sure whether the lower federal courts can even get involved in the Colorado case. Because the case was a state case and not a federal case, the Colorado Supreme Court is nominally the highest authority on the subject. The USSC can still overrule the Colorado court on issues that relate to the US Constitution (but not Colorado law) that might come up in the case. But I don’t think the lower Federal courts can do so. Which means that the high court won’t be sending it down the chain.
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“I’m not sure whether the lower federal courts can even get involved in the Colorado case. Because the case was a state case and not a federal case, the Colorado Supreme Court is nominally the highest authority on the subject. The USSC can still overrule the Colorado court on issues that relate to the US Constitution (but not Colorado law) that might come up in the case.”
The CO bunch tried to use US Constitution 14th Amendment Section 3 that says someone who has committed an “insurrection”. However 14 Section 5 says Congress has to make a law to implement Section 3. They did: 18 USC 2383. It’s the actual insurrection statute, which NO ONE has been charged with or convicted. when they started interpreting the meaning of Section 3, they poached on SCOTUS’ territory, And State courts can’t try federal crimes like 18 USC 2383.
That’s why you’ll see a lot of nonsense that Section 3 is “self executing”.
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The important thing is that because the case was initially pushed through the state courts (where it magically ended up almost immediately in front of the state supreme court), the only federal court that can intervene is the US Supreme Court.
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The only Trump-related thing the USSC has commented on recently was denying Jack Smith’s request for an early hearing, which was basically in Trump’s favor as it short-circuits Smith trying to keep Trump tied up in court on Super Tuesday.
One of the key concerns of Roberts has always been the legitimacy of the Court. If the USSC doesn’t step on Colorado hard that’s in danger. I would only be surprised if they didn’t fast-track the issue and issue a VERY clear ruling that smites the stuffing out of the CO Supreme Court.
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Or alternately, they could issue a stay, schedule arguments for sometime in 2025, and hope Colorado drops it since it no longer matters.
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If CO was the only state trying this, it might work, but they aren’t. Some other blue state will do the same thing closer to the election unless SCOTUS says basically, this entire line of attack is invalid.
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SCOTUS could keep issuing Stays Pending Appeals to any and all attempts to try something like this.
Frankly, I’m fairly confident that neither method is going to prevent other states from trying this. If SCOTUS has an emergency hearing over this and issues a ruling in Trump’s favor, another state will step in with a slightly modified argument. It’s the same crap they’re pulling in California with gun rights right now, where the trial courts are going along with Bruen, but the legislators and the state high court are coming up with arguments that basically amount to insane pretzel logic in their attempts to push gun control (in California’s case, that includes one literal instance in which the state didn’t appeal a particular method of gun control that the trial court overturned… and the legislature added it back in a new gun control bill).
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“If SCOTUS has an emergency hearing over this and issues a ruling in Trump’s favor, another state will step in with a slightly modified argument.”
“Until a candidate has been tried, convicted, and the appeals process completed, of violating 18 USC 2383, no candidate, at any level, may be denied any privileges or immunities of citizenship, on 14th Amendment grounds.” — SCOTUS
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Not ready to write off the USSC just yet. Gorsuch has been making some interesting points which are laying the groundwork for good things to come.
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Yes. Oct 7 was a big bucket of cold water.
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I just wanted to say: go ahead and order the Christmas stories – WELL worth the effort.
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It’s “We can do this and you can’t stop us. It’s taunting.
They have a difficult time with the difference between “can’t ” and “won’t.”
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“And so the invasion proceeds apace, because other than the people who were brought forcibly in contact with it, NO ONE BELIEVES it.”
Yeah.
This is the curse of my life. Because I’m the square peg, I see things that other people either don’t see or don’t talk about, which really amounts to the same thing. For example you see the fires this year, and you think “that’s not right.” How can there be that much smoke? That’s got to be arson. Or -something-.
Well, got talking to a genuine Northern forest-fire guy last night. They Were There this year.
The crux of this issue turns out not to be arson. Or not -all- arson, for which I am truly thankful. It was mostly lightning. And I’m reminding everyone that I said it was arson in the spring, so I Was Wrong. It was -not- an arson attack.
It is worse than that. We had fire smoke in New York City this year because of government forest management. It seems that in the old days, pre-1979, that the Canadian government at the Federal and Provincial levels recognized that our northern forests go on fire. All the time. They are constantly getting burnt over, and all the plants have evolved to deal with it. Jack pines famously do not open their cones unless there is a fire. So, when an area built up too much undergrowth and no handy lightning strike came along to burn it, they would do a “prescribed burn.” Section by section, with guys there to make sure it didn’t get out of hand.
But in 1979 there was a tragedy. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder-bay/arizona-deaths-bring-memories-of-7-who-died-in-northern-ontario-1.1311749
Seven teenagers died. Junior forest rangers out on summer jobs. Tragic.
So, what was learned by the Ministry? Not that you shouldn’t put untrained kids in a potentially dangerous situation, as one would expect. No, what they learned was that prescribed burns are bad, so they banned them.
Thus, fuel has been building up on the forest floors of Ontario since 1979, because lawyers and office workers make the decisions. Guys who’s idea of a forest in High Park in Toronto. Quebec, much the same thing.
But that is only one example. EVERYTHING is like this.
American example, did you know that American military sea-lift capability used to be thousands of ships, and now they’re down to 87? You didn’t know that, because -nobody- talks about it, but they are.
Another American example, which I still can’t believe but it is still true, US Navy Vertical Launch systems can’t be reloaded at sea. They can only be reloaded in port. These are the missile-in-a-box systems that fire cruise missiles, anti-air and anti-ship missiles from destroyers and cruisers.
You know -why- they can’t be reloaded at sea? No deck crane. Yep.
Navy guys feel free to chime in if I’m wrong, but that’s what they say in the Navy publications. (This is where I’d have been chucked in the brig for insubordination. You can’t have a multi-zillion dollar system that can only be replenished in port. That’s insanity. But that’s what they have.)
All of that just came home to roost in the Red Sea this week. The French just told the USA to f- off, they’re going to guard their own French-flagged vessels with their own navy.
You notice that it’s the same thing at work? Fire-fighting, navy, all the same.
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I wouldn’t want to go into battle on a ship with deck cranes. Too many ways for that to go oh, so wrong.
If you had them, how would you get missile boxes loaded onto the deck cranes at sea in the first place? If the ship had space to store spare missiles, it would be much more practical to use that space for more missile launchers. You’d have to get the missiles from a supply ship. How? Have you ever done an unrep? That’s not a simple evolution. Two ships cruising side by side, bouncing around in the waves, with cables strung between them. You wanna hang a two-ton missile on a cable and haul it across? I don’t.
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The Reader accepts that reloading VLS at sea would be difficult to impossible. But we don’t even have a logistics ship that could do this in a sheltered harbor the way forward deployment reloading of torpedoes was done in WW II from submarine tenders.
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Not knowing the specifics myself, I can’t say if it is even possible to shift a two-ton missile box from one ship to another in a rough sea. I’ve never even been in a rough sea, the biggest thing I’ve ever been on in salt water was the ferry to PEI.
But they launch freakin’ huge jet fighters off ships and land them again, in the roughest of seas, so I would bet that shifting a heavy box is a solved problem.
Easy for me to say, sitting behind my keyboard, but still.
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I offer the following article:
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/10/u-s-navy-demonstrates-vls-reload-in-san-diego-harbor/
Note the date, 2022. It is nothing more than a replenishment ship with a deck crane, dropping boxes down the holes. I do grant that they’re doing it in San Diego harbor.
Would I want to do it? No, but I’d sooner do that than sit on a ship with an empty VLS, getting shot at by over-the-horizon bad-guy missiles. (Truthfully, being stuck on a Navy ship would probably kill me. I’m a dry-land guy.)
The point being, if you google “replenish VLS at sea” today you see a number of articles from navy-adjacent publications discussing how this has to happen right now, and Holy Crap Dudes this is the latest/greatest thing and etc. Prior to 2022 there’s not much discussion compared to what there is this year.
But VLS has been a thing for over 30 years, and the -original- systems included a deck crane for replenishment at sea. There are pictures of it. Folding crane. Pretty janky, but better than nothing.
That means that everybody involved has known all about the issue for 30 years and kicked the can down the road. They chose to do -nothing- instead of addressing the issue and solving it, because “Reasons”. A very political solution to a thorny technical issue. That of course included the captains of those ships, who knew damn well what the issues were.
But now, 2023, the chickens came home to roost and the US Navy has finally come to a place where VLS replenishment in hostile environments is a Huge Problem. Illiterate knobs in Yemen, supplied by Iran (meaning Russia and China) can literally shut down the Red Sea and by extension the Mediterranean, meaning Europe. They can launch so many missiles that any cruiser on station could easily empty their VLS magazines in a couple of days. So -now-, finally, somebody will fix this. Probably a wet-behind-the-ears new kid that doesn’t know jack, the same as the dudes who first strapped a Hellfire missile on a Predator drone and went after the enemy with it.
Could this have been settled 30 years ago? Yes. Was it? No. Just like the tragedy of the junior rangers dying in 1979 leading to the ridiculous fire season of 2023.
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Agree. Not all (or maybe any) of the 2023 summer fires were arson. Where there is lightening there will be smoke. Where there is unmanaged forestland with lots of undercover fuel build up in spruce and jack pine timber (or other fire evolved landscapes), where there is lightening caused smoke, there will be wildfires. In the terrain involved? Out of control, impossible to control, wildfires.
The problem comes when there is lots of out of control wildfire in managed forests (Warehouser, the adjacent USFS/BLM wasn’t managed, but the company ones were, including the power right of ways, regardless of what adjacent homeowners wanted), and no lightening (i.e. 2020 Oregon wildfires). The winds and California Paradise wildfires gave TPTB and courts provide a patsy to blame the Oregon wildfires all on. No way were every single highway corridor wildfire started by power lines taken down by the winds. We came down Hwy 58 towing an RV trailer against those winds whipping and whorl pooling up the west side of the Willamette Pass highway corridor. We could see the wind tearing through the upper canopies of trees. We could see the impact of the wind (or lack of) on the power lines. We could feel the wind impact on the truck and trailer (leveling and sway bars for the win). This is discounting “most the west/east highway Cascade corridors”, seriously? I call BS.
I understand your initial skepticism after the Oregon 2020 wildfires, until proven otherwise.
We saw the result of the 2022 Alberta fires east of Jasper, spring 2023. Jasper was evacuated (or on notice to evacuate and just evacuated tourists?) that fall (lost power, by reports). We’d planned a fall 2022 trip, chose otherwise when the fires were reported. Talked to the Park Rangers about those wildfires when we were there last spring (mid-May). Locals weren’t particularly worried. Smoke and loss of power were inconveniences, at best. Why? Because prevailing winds are west to east. Now if the fires had reversed that, then they would have been a tad concerned, but also figured that wouldn’t last long. What they are terrified of is a wildfire west of Jasper.
Also saw the result of the 2017 wildfire that triggered the evacuation of Waterton (BC wilderness wildfire left to “let burn”, again prevailing winds are west to east). Wow. Just wow. Listened in on multiple locals stories (a lot of PSTD over it). A lot wanted to say to protect property. Essentially what they were told was “fine, but give us your names so we know what to put on the urn with your ashes.” No one stayed. Set up impromptu lawn sprinklers on roof, ran ground sprinklers, and left. Town and harbor got lucky fire turned back on itself before sweeping down to the harbor and around the west side of the lake. Since then most buildings are outfitted with not only internal fire suppression methods, but external rooftop versions, to be triggered and maintained going, as long as water can be delivered directly from the lake, even if town is evacuated again. Might not prevent loss. But might too.
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You’ll know this much better than I, but I’m going to rant about my view of it anyway.
The one big reason for these massive forest fires is bad (politicized) forest management. Fanatical suppression of all fires plus refusal to acknowledge that most of the western forest is well adapted to survive fires of minor to moderate intensity. Leave the undergrowth unchecked for decades (most of a century in some places), and you get the supermassive fires we’ve seen in the last decade or so. (And even those aren’t so unnatural, nor unrecoverable; pioneer tree species will move in afterwards over many years, and given a couple hundred, you’ll once again have the mature pine/fir/spruce forests we’re used to.)
I read several articles about this in mainstream newspapers (the LA Times was one, iirc) about 20 years ago, predicting exactly the type of fire that we’re now seeing. Those articles probably still exist — Breitbart dug up one from the LA Times a few years ago when the LA Times and its fellow travelers were blaming Trump’s “climate denial” for the California wildfires. Although maybe they’ve been memory-holed by now, to better support the notion that it’s all (cue scary echoes) Climate Change (eleventy!).
And now, a vaguely relevant personal anecdote: I once worked on a landscaping crew at a many-million-dollar house up in Sundance Canyon that had really impressive fire control measures. There were sprinklers set up all throughout the several-acre property, on which most of the undergrowth had been thinned; sprinklers on the copper roof and under the eaves; AND shutters that would block all the vents under the eaves so that sparks couldn’t be sucked in to set the attic on fire. The only fireproofing thing they didn’t do was remove trees (
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Agreed, the whole wildfire cycle isn’t new. Difference is the amount of population. And you are correct as to what has caused the build up, with fire suppression. Logging practices mitigated that to some respects by creating openings (often smaller) that the wildfires used to create. Plus roads that stopped slow low moving fires. What started the heavy duty fire suppression were the huge fires that took place in early 1900s: Tillamook, Oxbow, etc. Then too the natives used to take off into the hills and burn off the Willamette to prevent tree encroachment. There is a reason why there is more timber in them hills and mountains than when the European type pioneers got here with their wagons and families in the 1800’s.
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As for aliens, extraterrestrials, I recall a discussion with a former GF who assured me that, no, women are not from Venus. “We’re from here but I have no idea where you’re from.”
So if there aren’t any aliens who built and piloted that aerial craft that flew formation with my ship (DD785) two nights running (1973) in the middle of the Pacific? The Captain ordered the running lights and the radars shut down, as if that would make the heat bloom from the engine rooms evanesce. The likelihood of there being a 400 sq. mi. patch of swamp gas there is, in my view, slim to nil. But we all saw it.
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Aliens would be much more believable if their alleged activities came to something a little more than “bored troll”. And not even good trolls at that: 4chan has managed far better pranks and they don’t even have spaceships.
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Do we KNOW they don’t have spaceships?
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No wonder we don’t have spaceships. All the people are worried about whether their trolling is any good.
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