HamAss, Hospitals and the MSM by Francis Turner

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HamAss, Hospitals and the MSM by Francis Turner

Many of us on the side of civilization have noticed that in the last month and a bit after October 7th that the Mainstream Media has been solidly on the sides of the genocidal Hamass. Among many examples there was the time when much of the MSM credulously repeated Hamass lies about the rocket that blew up in the hospital parking lot. Although it is true that many of them eventually walked that story back, the damage was done because the unanimous repeating of Hamass propaganda without any pushback meant that large parts of the world, from the low information street to world leaders thought the Israelis were to blame and had killed hundreds.

The MSM has sort of learned its lesson from that. They are less likely to report Hamass announcements as fact and some (e.g. the BBC) note repeatedly that the Gaza casualty reports come from the Hamass controlled Health Ministry and so on. But they are still in the tank for Hamass, just not as blatantly.

Take the current fighting around the various Gaza hospitals. One thing that is notable is the plight of Gazans attempting to flee. Often they are unable to because “shots were fired”. For example this BBC update:

Reports people attempting to leave hospital shot in legs

The BBC’s Rushdi Abualouf has heard that no people, or any items of aid, have been allowed in or out of the Al-Shifa hospital for the last 48 hours, according to one of his contacts.

That source – one of the few remaining journalists in the hospital – says four people had tried to leave Al-Shifa yesterday, but were shot in the legs and left on the ground bleeding for around two hours.

Medics had to risk their lives to get them into the hospital for treatment, the source tells Abualouf.

The BBC has been unable to access the hospital to verify this as fighting has been raging in the vicinity in recent days.

That passive voice thing is a dead giveaway. It wasn’t the IDF because we know that if it had been they would have said so. So who is it? Hmmm? A mystery!

Similarly the IDF has surrounded many of these hospitals and gunfire etc. is being exchanged. Well who are the IDF shooting at? And who is fighting back? Oddly this is not mentioned. Indeed MSM reporters regularly say things like “Israel claims that Hamass has bases underneath and adjacent to hospitals” but they seem unable to join the dots. Think about it. If Hamass were not there then the Isrealis could simply drive up to the various hospitals, give them fuel if need be and everything would be fine. For some reason though, that does not get mentioned. Israel is evil for cutting off power and access to these places that are totally neutral, apparently, and is unable to simply drive up to the front door. Could it be that there are Hamass fighters trapped in the vicinity? Underneath perhaps? The MSM is remarkably incurious about such matters.

Indeed just a day or two ago the IDF found the Hamass tunnels under one of the Gaza hospital – Rantisi Hospital. See https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-773085 or various posts on X like this:

Considering that Israel has been claiming this for years you’d think that having clear evidence would be news-worthy. So I looked at the BBC site where they have an article about the state of the Gaza hospitals. At the bottom of the part of the article about the Rantisi hospital there is this

On Monday evening IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari showed journalists what he said was evidence of Hamas infrastructure at Rantisi – video of explosives, suicide vests and even a motorcycle used in the 7 October attacks, hidden in a basement. He showed video of a deep shaft with a ladder down the side which he said was the entrance to a tunnel that was next to both a school and the hospital, adding it was “nothing else but a terror tunnel”.

No pictures of what the IDF found and up above when talking about Al-Shifa lots of denial that Hamass has its HQ there

Hamas denies it is using the hospital or that it has an operations centre underneath. Doctors inside insist there is no Hamas presence there. The BBC’s Gaza correspondent Rushdi Abualouf said that he had never seen “any military capability” inside the hospital, but acknowledged it was difficult to verify either Israel’s or Hamas’s claims.

There’s a lot of weaseling that they can use later when it turns out the IDF proves the Hamass HQ is under the hospital and no effort to challenge the Hamass claims

I’m not picking on the BBC specifically. When I did a search on google for news about “Rantisi tunnels hamas” I got results like this:

and

Its is notable that Foxnews, the Jerusalem Post and the Times of Israel are the sites that essentially accept the IDF findings as essentially true. The BBC I’ve already covered. ABC and CNN are if anything worse. The ABC article (which shares quite a lot with an AP article reprinted in the Wapo) first talks about Al-Shifa hospital where it says

Shifa is Gaza’s largest and best-equipped hospital. Israel, without providing visual evidence, claims the facility also is used by Hamas for military purposes. It says Hamas has built a vast underground command complex center below the hospital, connected by tunnels, something Gaza health officials and Hamas deny.

Only much further down the article do we get mention of Rantisi

Late Monday, Israel’s chief military spokesman, Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, showed footage of what he said was a Hamas weapons cache found in the basement of Gaza’s Rantisi Hospital for Children.

Hagari said he entered the hospital with Israeli troops on Monday, a day after the facility’s last patients were evacuated. The hospital ran out of fuel last week, and Israel had ordered people to leave as it conducts its ground offensive.

Hagari entered a room decorated with a colorful children’s drawing of a tree, with weapons lying across the floor. He said they included explosive vests, automatic rifles, bombs and rocket-propelled grenades.

“Hamas uses hospitals as an instrument of war,” he said.

He showed another area that he said appears to have been used to hold hostages.

It included what appeared to be a hastily installed toilet and air vent, a baby bottle and a motorcycle — scarred by a bullet hole and apparently used to carry hostages. One windowless room had curtains on the wall that he said could be used as a backdrop in a video. Hagari said forensic experts were examining the scenes.

Yet despite this evidence, the article goes back to skepticism

Israel says these claims are based on intelligence. However, it has released no visual evidence to support the claims. Hagari last month unveiled maps showing where Israel believes Hamas’ underground command centers are located, including one next to hospital’s reception area and another next to the dialysis department.

Indeed it then goes and gets a Hamass quote, which it repeats without any questioning or skepticism:

Ghazi Hamad, a senior Hamas official, rejected the Israeli claims about Shifa as “false and misleading propaganda.”

“The occupying forces have no evidence to prove it,” Hamad said. “We have never used civilians as human shields because it goes against our religion, morality and principles.”

This is clearly bias given that reports about Al-Shifa being Hamass HQ have been common over the last decade – including a mention in a WaPo article in 2014 (via Hotair) – and that Hamass has regularly been accused of the use of human shields as “martyrs”

The CNN article is just as bad. Despite a CNN crew actually going into the tunnels they repot the IDF clams remarkably skeptically and have quotes from Hamass sources denying what is seen

A CNN team embedded with the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and was shown guns and explosives in one room located beneath Al-Rantisi children’s hospital on Monday, which IDF spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari termed an “armory.”

He also pointed to a chair with a rope next to it and a piece of women’s clothing, which he said would be tested for DNA, and a makeshift toilet.

Israel has repeatedly claimed that Hamas locates its operational bases in tunnels under hospitals and other civilian infrastructure. The access provided by the IDF provided Monday was an effort to back up those assertions, which are denied by Hamas, as well as health officials and hospitals in Gaza.

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Speaking by phone to CNN on Tuesday, Mohammed Zarqout, who has responsibility for all of Gaza’s hospitals, said the basement at Al Rantisi had been used as a shelter for women and children – not to store Hamas weaponry and hold hostages – as well as being the location of the pharmacy and some of the hospital’s administrative offices before rainwater made it “impossible” to use.

And then there’s the excuse for a tunnel leading to a Hamass commander’s house

CNN was shown a shaft, about 200 meters away from Al-Rantisi, which Hagari claimed was located next to a Hamas commander’s house and also a school.

Wires leading into the shaft provided power to the tunnel from solar panels fixed onto the roof of the Hamas commander’s house, he also said.

“We [put] a robot inside the tunnel and the robot saw a massive door, a door that is in the direction of the hospital,” Hagari said.

Zarquot said “the tunnel they claim to be a Hamas tunnel is actually an electrical wire assembly point. We raised the wires to prevent any electrical shocks caused by floods.”

The rest of the article goes on about how bad it is to attack hospitals and so on, though it does grudgingly note that  

While hospitals are protected in times of war under international humanitarian law, that protection may be compromised if they are believed to be sites of military activity.

It also mentions that the hospitals are full of patients with absolutely no curiosity about whether these patients are civilians or Hamass fighters.

I could go on. The most notable thing is that the Rantisi discoveries, which would seem to be important verification for what Israel has been saying for years are simply not being reported as important news. They aren’t generally a separate news item, they aren’t on the front pages (or web equivalents) and so on.

It is worth comparing this to events in Ukraine last year. Then, when the rape rooms, torture cellars and so on of the Russian invaders were discovered in Bucha and later Kharkiv Oblast. In those cases the discovery of such things that go against “the laws of war” and the like were headlines. This is not happening with Hamass’ war crimes and so on. For some reason.

It seems obvious that the answer is that the MSM are completely in the tank for Hamass and against Israel.

190 thoughts on “HamAss, Hospitals and the MSM by Francis Turner”

  2. I’m guessing we will soon see a letter signed by 51 former and current Intelligence Professionals telling us the evidence has, “All the Earmarks” of an IDF Disinformation Campaign.

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  3. The BBC who covered completely for appeasement in the 30’s and is still saying that appeasement was right today. That BBC? Or the NYTimes and Walter Durante, that NY Times?

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      1. Sorry. I needed a break from the world. Other than the day job, I looked at no public affairs and read no book published less than 100 years ago for a couple of weeks.

        I started the bubble machine up again yesterday by running a credit analysis, still ongoing, of several Chinese property firms. They’re doomed. I find the work relaxing, being odd and all.

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        2. I get it. I was just worried about YOU in these interesting times we live in. I GET wanting time off from all this. I live in a balance between too stressed if I don’t check the news, and more stressed if I check them. Sigh.

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          1. Thank you. I’m as well as one can be in these times. Alas, I am cursed to see clearly.

            I’ve been thinking a lot about things. What’s important and what’s not. How to live if everything is a lie. I find this quote particularly appropriate for me since I’m a hedger, a trimmer, a grinder.

            “It’s the reductionist approach to life: if you keep it small, you’ll keep it under control. If you don’t make any noise, the bogeyman won’t find you. But it’s all an illusion, because they die too, those people who roll up their spirits into tiny little balls so as to be safe.”
            — Sophie Scholl

            Still, you go on or you go under and I have no intention of going under.

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            1. BGE, taking care of those you love, and those who love you, is critical in these harrowing times. I am very thankful we live in a rural area, not in a municipal polity. I can take appropriate preparations, supplies, munitions, provisions for power generation via multiple methods, am joined with neighbors for mutual defense/offense. Seriously thinking about the greenhouse/rabbit hutch/chicken coop for next year (assuming we get there). Hopefully nuclear war doesn’t start soon. That’s a major worry – the Iranians would launch if they had one, they’re insane. The Russians, Putin would be fired if he attempted to give one to Iran, or to use one in Ukraine. Our current CINC has lost his balls long ago. As long as we can keep our ferals in urban areas, we’re good. Serious lack of belt feds out here, for now. Hopefully some good old boy has a pig cached, or one they can build and bring into action short notice. It’s hard to be well when the world is going to Hell in a handbasket.
              RSH

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        3. What’s going on in China has been interesting to watch. Unfortunately, there’s also been another interesting aspect to it – namely, the seeming inability of people to wrap their heads around the idea that Mainland China’s economy is collapsing at this very moment.

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          1. There’s a lot of ruin in a nation so collapse might be too strong a word for it, or it may not be. That’s the thing, countries usually don’t collapse, so it’s always a surprise when they do and when they do it’s usually a military defeat.

            There are things going on in China that are beyond anything I’ve ever seen or read about. It’s just nuts.

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            1. China is a mix of reasonably well-off, and dirt poor. Ordinarily I would say that I don’t know that the dirt poor can get much worse, but I’ve been hearing stories about food shortages in some parts of the country. Hopefully not, but…

              But – as you no doubt already know – the reasonably well-off part is getting hit pretty hard. So parts of the country might not be that much affected. But the parts that are supposed to pay the bills are getting slammed.

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  4. Larry Correia has a post expanding on this:

    https://monsterhunternation.com/2023/10/26/theyre-doing-it-for-you/

    Ham-Ass putting women and children in the line of fire is a sort of performance art put on for the benefit of those media vultures. Because they then pressure governments and armies to ‘spare the innocents’ by leaving the terrorists alone to commit further atrocities. They wail for ‘Peace!’.

    The only ‘Peace!’ Israel will ever see is when every last anti-semitic extremist is exterminated. When children are not indoctrinated from birth to hate ‘The Jooos!’ When ‘humanitarian aid’ is not spent on rockets and suicide bombs.
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    It takes two to make peace. It only takes one to make war.

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  5. MSM has drunk their own ink about identity politics. They no longer look for morally right or wrong, just skin color and/or power imbalances. The left has gone back to its racist roots.

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  6. Gets back to ST:TOS “The Savage Curtain”

    “there is nothing different between good and evil because the methods used to fight each other are the same. Kirk explains that the similar methods of how the two fight each other does not define them as the same since Yarnek set the conditions. What defines them is the things for which each of them fight – Kirk and Spock were fighting for the survival of the Enterprise; the others fought only for power.”
    ………………………

    Hamas fights for the right to eradicate anything not “them” (don’t think the same sect of Islam is safe from Hamas).

    Israel, OTOH, fights to be allowed to exist. They are the forefront of the fight for all of us to exist. Including most of the Muslim sects. As their backers, Iran and Iraq, are going to find out, sooner, rather than later. Honestly, I think TPTB in Iran/Iraq/etc., are planning on the US to take out Hamas, before Hamas can get to Iran/Iraq/etc.. I think they are wrong. Oh US and Israel will take out Hamas. Unfortunately we have to wait for the current cowardly sleazes (was going to say weasels, but weasels are cute, in their natural way, can’t insult weasels) are out of office. Which means at least a little more than year of pain for the rest of the world.

    ……………………………

    Off topic. So I managed to clip my right hand pinky knuckle, next to fingernail, on something metallic. Initial reaction “Ow, Ouch” (quick sharp, like stubbing little toe). Then ignored. Fast forward two weeks, using it fine (typing). Some ache. Didn’t think anything of it. Until noticed “hmm, pretty sure pinky not suppose to bend when hand is flat. “Ouch” hurts when trying to straighten, and “crunchy feel/sound”. “Hmm, pretty sure neither is suppose to happen, either.” Went to GP for consult. He agreed. Sent for Xray. Okay not broken, or dislocated. It is arthritis (hitting it on something triggered inflammation, which is taking it’s sweet untreated time to go away). Not only in pinky, but other 4 digits on right hand, and likely left hand digits too (not xrayed). Oh Joy. Explains why I can’t open sealed jars anymore. Knew my hand strength was down. But wasn’t expecting this. Sigh. Started using Voltaren, last night (already had it for hubby’s knees). We’ll see how it goes. Plus supposedly will be sent for hand therapy. Left hand, less use, PIA, but not dominate hand. Right hand? OMG, more than a PIA, I am very, very, right handed. It isn’t affecting my touch typing, yet, so there is that. But tense driving (had to drive downtown to get to Imaging Clinic), both hands hurt by the time I got home.

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      1. autoimmune Psoriatic Arthritus
        ………………

        Doesn’t appear to be. Just the one joint visibly. Although I think the lower joint, ring finger, next to it, is swollen too. (Though that might be because I forced off the ring over the knuckle. But then too, shouldn’t have had to force it off either.) Likely genetics.

        Sorry you’ve had to deal with Psoriatic Arthritus. My niece deals with Psoriatic Arthritus because of her Lupus. Not fun.

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    2. Injury-inflammation induced arthritis. Nasty. Especially for hands. I probably have some of that in my ankle, but fortunately not in my hands. On the other hand (no pun intended) I do have Dupuytren’s Contracture on the left pinky and palm; but I get enough stretching every day to keep it from clawing up and freezing.

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      1. I fell back in the early 2000s whi,e on TDY and put my right shoulder and hip into the concrete. (The Major Defense Contractor sent me to the emergency room for x-rays, probably to avoid a lawsuit. Having my right arm in a sling for a week on travel made things…interesting).
        The shoulder has given me trouble ever since. Anyone have suggestions?

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        1. One, make sure you have it in your medical records as a service-connected injury and get a VA disability percentage assigned for you.
          Get an MRI of the shoulder and a good sports orthopedist to give you the options.

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          1. It was a Workman’s Comp issue for a while. I’ve had sthe MRI and evaluation and it seems to work out to, “not much to be done.”
            It’s more discomfort than pain, but it never quite goes away.

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            1. Physical therapy and/or therapeutic massage and a good chiropractor are my only suggestions.

              But that counts as “primary care” in my mind, so YMMV.

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        2. Years ago I had some excellent results with Airrosti. Other than that, I would try a good massage therapist who specializes in sports injuries. There are some highly rated ones at the gym I use, which is a very serious strength gym.

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  7. This is the reason I want the liberal press to burn alive. All lying communists really. Don’t care about their rights, bad I know, but they don’t care about mine either. To them the end justifies the means, I would really love for the chance to show them just what that entails. It wouldn’t matter, they’ve already drunken the koolaid, too bad it was the wrong batch and not Jones town Grape. In many way burning in hell is too good for them.

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    2. Pain is only useful if you’re trying to teach them something. If you’re going to kill them, then it’s a waste of time and resources to induce or draw out their pain. Plus doing so causes damage to you too. Revenge is a sword with a blade on both ends and no hilt.

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      2. Pain can also serve as a warning to the miscreants coconspirators. Do this and you’ll get the same. As noted sometimes punishment is not for the punished but por encorager les autres.

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      3. Pain is instructive to the observer.

        And some folks wont learn any other way. Make things too neat and tidy, and you will never persuade the others to stop.

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  8. “It seems obvious that the answer is that the MSM are completely in the tank for Hamass and against Israel.”

    its been fairly obvious the MSM will lie or allow to lie their “favored” side in war reporting …

    I would suggest that the same rule be applied to the Ukraine conflict … “Who does the MSM favor there ?”

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    1. Saw a comment recently that suggested part of the media bias is they automatically lean toward whoever they perceive as the underdog. Israel has a solid military and perceived resources, Gaza has fewer, therefore they are the underdog.
      Not all of it, by any means, and antisemitism is mixed right in there. Besides, if you look at the relative sizes of Israel vs the Islamic nations, they should be seeing Israel as the “plucky little underdogs.” Sigh.

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      1. :lightbulb:

        Underdog, yes– but in a way that includes “oh, they need help. They are not prepared.”

        As much grasshopper as underdog.

        Israel does prepare, like crazy. They work themselves to the bone to take responsible precautions, and then go a step beyond.

        And a lot of folks reflexively punish those who take precautions, because that’s not equitable — “oh, you saved your candy? We, Timmy ate all his. You need to share BECAUSE you saved yours.”

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        2. ‘Our’ government does the same thing, consistently. It rewards failure and punishes success. It takes money from people who work, save and invest, and gives it to those that don’t work, and waste all of their money on drugs, toys and partying.

          “But they’re pooor!”

          Yes they are, and they will remain poor, no matter how much money they are given, until they learn to manage their lives responsibly. Give them each a million dollars and they will squander it in months and demand more.
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          In order to provide pay without work for some, others have to work without pay. We used to call that slavery. Now they call it socialism.

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          1. It is not, by any measure, consistently.

            It is too dang much, but not consistently, and a good half of those who claim to want to fix the “rewards failure and punishes success” are upset that society in general isn’t rewarding the failure that they favor.

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  9. Ace also just put up a post on this topic. He reported that four individuals tried to leave the main hospital. All four were shot in the legs as they tried to flee, and doctors had to slip out to bring the wounded men back inside.

    The article Ace quoted was -as Ace noted – very incurious about who shot the men in the legs.

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  10. Spot on Turner!

    MSM & 24/7 propaganda: I’d make an, I know quite unpopular here, suggestion; folks critically review the Ukraine/Russia conflict with the same objectivity. Perhaps Putin isn’t quite the devil incarnate, perhaps all Russians are not drunk bumblers, perhaps defending the U.S. border is a bit more in our interest than Ukraine policy, whatever it takes, billions of bucks, etc.

    Hey the five million buck villa in Egypt that, last May Zelensky bought through his mother-in-law with, most probably, almost certainly, if we had some way of proving it I’d be temped to bet on it giving 100 to 1 odds, U.S aid money furthers the cause of peace, freedom and the American Way.

    To be clear, no, I’m not suggesting the present support of the genocide of the Jews is equivalent to, in my opinion in comparison, the minor (Again in comparison to) Baltic quagmire. I’m simply suggesting that much/most happening around the world today deserves critical review and awareness of whatever spin is being doctored.

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    1. It’s unpopular here because folks have investigated it with the same kind of objectivity.

      Only to find out that offering primary sources as evidence got waved away with yet more mud thrown at the Ukraine, and yet more excusing of Russia’s behavior.

      It is really reminiscent of the Israel/Hamass situation. Problem being that it’s in terms of the folks insisting both sides must be bad are equally wrong, and the guys being violently invaded get blamed for a short skirt around the wrong guy, and hey the invaded area really belong to the guys who started the war anyways, fighting back is BAD!

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      2. Yep I knew it would be unpopular, no matter the ousting of elected President Viktor Yanukovychno, no matter if the Ukrainians were rocketing and bombing the ethnic Russians before Putin’s move, no matter if the west had guaranteed NATO would not move one inch toward the non-soviet union, no matter if Ukraine militias, later part of the Ukraine army were openly and proudly Nazi supporters, no matter if Ukraine violated the Minsk accords from day one, …

        Is noting the above (As far as I know, undisputed facts, of course feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.) throwing mud at the Ukraine?

        Maybe you’re right, I happen to think Ukraine was and is a money laundry, the Ukraine-Russia conflict is their business, not ours and that our dollars should go to protect our border.

        My point in my original post is we’re all influenced by the 24/7 propaganda and no I don’t think folks here have investigated it with the same kind of objectivity. Hey, I could be wrong, enjoy tellin’ me I am. ;-)

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        1. Why are WE expected to intervene in the war between Russia and Ukraine? Isn’t that what the U.N. is supposed to do? Now is the time for the U.N. to step up, and prove they’re not just a bunch of useless self-important windbags.

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            1. Also, it is a hell of a lot cheaper to grind down the Russian military to the point where nobody can take it seriously by paying the Ukrainians, rather than using US forces.

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          2. time for the U.N. to step up, and prove they’re not just a bunch of useless self-important windbags.
            …………………..

            Bit impossible to prove they aren’t “a bunch of useless self-important windbags” when they are “a bunch of self-important shitty shifty windbags”.

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        2. I object to the term “ethnic Russian”. Large parts of Texas are “ethnic Mexican”, but I’m in no hurry to give away where I was born. I have a friend who escaped from Crimea with her husband and children and is happy to be Ukrainian, even if she speaks Russian better than Ukrainian.

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        3. Just going to note that the reason why Ukraine was rocketing ethnic Russians might have been related to the reason why some of those ethnic Russians were in a position to shoot down a Malaysian airliner using a Russian Buk SAM system.

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          1. You can tell Jim in Alaska whatever. He never changes his mind. No matter what. Or adduces any sane argument. He just says “I knew you’d say that, but I still think the same” etc.
            EVERY TIME. So, I no longer bother. At all.

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        4. No matter the ousting of the guy who Russia frauded in who shot at protesters,
          no matter the unsupported claims by Russia that Ukraine was “genociding” Russian speakers (not “ethnic Russians,” which gets a little iffy given the history of the region) by shooting back at the TOTALLY organic and ENTIRELY LOCAL!!!!!1!1! attacks from the area Russian invaded and took over the first time that the EU insisted Russia should keep because it’d make them not go for more,
          no matter that Russia’s insanity means the neighbors being able to fight back when invaded is a threat
          nervermind that the “nazi supporter” nonsense has been shown to be a glorified version off the “anybody who isn’t on Stalin’s side is a Nazi” nonsense that Russia has so long loved….

          s far as I know, undisputed facts, of course feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

          We have.

          It’s been beaten to death on the blog.

          With links and citations.

          And then y’all stop for a while, and come back, thrown the same absolute garbage that MAYBE HALF AN HOUR worth of research before you swallow a claim whole could’ve debunked.

          But instead you go and wrap yourself in the “oh, my, it’s not popular, wooooooe is meeeee, I am soooo put upon and targerted…. because when I say something stupid that’s been talked to death, and act like some kind of freaking victim in a passive aggressive fit, FOLKS DON’T PRAISE MY SUPERBRAVE!”

          Oh woe, woe is you!

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          1. Item on Twitter today that a Russian commentator was complaining the natives on “Russian held portions of eastern Ukraine,” are poisoning every item they can get their hot little hands on. Food, vapes….it socks to be a mobile in Eastern Ukraine right now.. even if m the locals do speak Russian.

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                1. Likely true in many cases. But it’s important to remember that even a stopped clock is accurate twice a day.

                  As an example, people have noted that Sen. Fetterman has seemingly been rock-solid on the current Israel-Hamas War, even dismissing pro-Palestinian protestors.

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                  2. Proof that the Turnip In Chief and most of the Democrats in congress are more brain damaged (or have fewer moral qualms) than the junior senator from Pennsylvannia. If they had ANY conscience they’d be ashamed, but obviously they are NOT.

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                2. True.

                  Still doesn’t make Russia the victim, or the good guys.

                  Unfortunately for Ukraine, right now, it is: Biden “Say nothing or you don’t get the help from the US!” Where is it should be “Come clean. Give up everyone, including Biden Crime Family. Then we will help (some).”

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          2. Nope, I don’t want nor need your praise.

            Nope t’ain’t particularly brave to question.

            Yes it’s plain fact I brought, or if you want bring up unpopular points.

            No matter you ad hominem, I’ll spell it out, attack my character or motivations rather than a position or argument., “…I am soooo put upon and targerted…. because when I say something stupid that’s been talked to death, and act like some kind of freaking victim in a passive aggressive fit…”.

            No matter that your saying so is not refutation of the facts I presented.

            No matter, I’ve absolutely no problem with your having a different opinion, sorry if my not buying the whole cloth makes you so uncomfortable.

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            1. You continue to repeat the same propaganda, we show with evidence where it is lying, and then your response is a long winded “that’s just like, your opinion maaaaan”.

              Your “facts” are lies. And your character cannot be under attack as you claim, as it appears to not exist when it comes to this subject.

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            2. :eyeroll:

              Whatever, Jim. Whatever.

              Your play acting has worn thin, especially the poor widdle victim nonsense.

              You demand respect because you’re old, can’t be bothered to offer even decency to others, and can’t be bothered to even fake the dignity you want the credit for.

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              1. You may be right Foxfire, though I don’t see any of me in your description of me. That could be blinding on my part. Obviously others agree with your take.

                On the other hand it’s possible, in my opinion, my observations are correct and your, and other’s, response proves my point.

                The fact that your singing with the choir and I’m whistling alone in the graveyard doesn’t prove either of us right.

                I do consider divergent views, differences of opinion valuable, if nothing else they clarify our thoughts and improve the rationale for our own positions.

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                1. You may be right Foxfire, though I don’t see any of me in your description of me.

                  That would be relevant if you hadn’t already destroyed any presumption of decent judgement, repeatedly, by your behavior.

                  You find folks responding to your unsupported, passive-aggressive attacks by saying “no, you’re wrong, and here’s more detail that completely changes the situation, you should do more research” to be a personal attack, while not seeing you declaring everybody who doesn’t agree with you has failed to research and think, even though we have repeatedly done it, on this very website.

                  You feel entitled to object to getting back a fraction of what you dish out.

                  And you go into personal attacks at the drop of a hat, rather than attempting a rational response, you child in an old man’s body. Heaven knows that I’m not shy about arguing with Ian B, but I can at least manage something better than “Wooo, I’m older than you– I can’t manage anything that’s in the least bit relevant, but ooooooh! Respect me, being a representative of the generation who wants to pretend age is the most important thing about anything, oooooh!”

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                    3. :pats on head:

                      If you’d tried this before lecturing the lady who’s an actually-been-paid-for-understanding-Russia trick, it might work better.

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                    4. OK, none the less, you’re right of course. I’ve never been paid a dime for understanding Russia. I’ve spend a little time in Russia, & I have given lectures there, in Russia, on how capitalism works and why it beats socialism, also in the Ukraine and have spent quite a bit more time in the Russian wild wild East but never been paid for it.

                      Yep, Да, я дурак, I said it so you don’t have to. ;-)

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                    5. I have spent a few months in Ukraine across multiple trips. It’s interesting watching them figure out the “free market”. I saw Utes set up as mobile coffee shops on the sidewalk. I saw a case where somebody saw that there were 4 coffee shops on a block, so they set up a fifth.

                      I also saw really beautiful buildout of several restaurants. They were gorgeous, the food was good and reasonably priced. I dealt with shop owners who didn’t speak any English, but were still happy to do business with me. I dealt with checkout ladies at the grocery store who didn’t speak English but were happy to sell me groceries. I ate at Posata Hata, which is a Soviet style cafeteria with little difficulty. They are figuring out capitalism.

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                3. I figure I better and an addendum to the above; My whistling alone in the graveyard is not suggesting I’m a victim or whatever, where I whistle is my choice, period.

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        5. (As far as I know, undisputed facts, of course feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.)

          AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

          Every single one of those claims is a proven lie.

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            1. I see. And do you have any information from people who aren’t actively anti-American? Also, Jim, stop being a pest. You know more than one link gets walled. YOU KNOW THIS. You’re not nearly as senile as you try to pretend you are.

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              2. BBC actively anti-American?
                Pest? I’ve, mostly politely, replied to queries. Senile? There you go, Ad hominem again. Actually that seems to be the strongest argument if one fails to sing with the choir.

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                1. BBC…. this is news to you?
                  Pest — JIm, if you dind’t want to be a pest, you’d post a link at a time. HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN ON THE BLOG that you don’t know four links gets held up? And I have to do extra steps to free it.
                  And you then throw a fit? Cute. Very cute.

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                  1. Sigh cow asked for sources. I gave him such.
                    Sigh no I didn’t know about the link limit, I’ve never ran into to before hence had no awareness of it.
                    Why no I didn’t through as fit.
                    I do thank you for calling me cute, however I’d prefer being noted as ruggedly handsome.;-)

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                    1. jiminAlaska.

                      Seriously? You’ve been on the blog a longer than I have. I rarely post links and even I know only one link per comment post if you don’t want to go into deep hole of WP moderation. Can’t follow Sarah’s posts without learning that. Enough people complain when they forget and have to ask Sarah to dig out their posts. I am not giving you a pass because of your age either. (I too am old. Just not as old.) Any more than I’d give my 89 year old mother a pass (for all that she tries. Not happening.) You are not stupid or an idiot. Shakes head.

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                    2. No, he’s not stupid or an idiot. I’m just not sure he’s the persona he’s presented here these years.
                      He’s been making a lot of very interesting slips these last few months, and the back of my brain has been itching.
                      Also, his constant, unrelenting peddling of “Doom” doesn’t respond to even high evidence, which is…. interesting.
                      I mean, we have real depressives here. Steve and I cycle. Cardshark is depressed but rational. But Jim? Jim is always doom. And once you start looking at what he says, he’s not… internally consistent either. It’s been bothering me for a couple of months. For a while before that I just ignored him as an irritant, then I started noticing.
                      The big question on all this is WHY? Other than rampant insanity, of course.

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                    3. Seriously. I don’t think I’ve previously posted multiple links, nor noted anyone else doing so, hence never even thought about it.

                      Seriously I don’t want a pass for anything.

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                2. I’ve, mostly politely, replied to queries.

                  No you haven’t. You have made assertions which had already been disproven multiple times before. Then when people objected you started playing the victim.

                  Senile? There you go, Ad hominem again. Actually that seems to be the strongest argument if one fails to sing with the choir.

                  You decided to play the age card. You have no grounds to object when it is turned back on you.

                  “With Age usually comes Wisdom. But sometimes Age travels alone.”

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                  1. I told him he wasn’t nearly as senile as he PRETENDS TO BE.
                    And note all this offense is at my blowing up at his giving me MORE work by putting FOUR links in a comment.
                    Everyone knows more than one will be held and I have to go spring it. I just happened to be looking back panel for soemthing else. FOUR? THat’s just being a pest.

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                  2. I reviewed my comment here and my replies to queries. Can’t fine one time I mentioned my age, but I’m quite sure you can come up with a lot of ‘ya buts’.

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                    1. No, not these posts. But you’ve mentioned your age in past blog posts. Plus your attitude comes across as “I am right. Get off my lawn.” Old. Whether you are right or not (note, I am not taking a stand either way, here, at least). It has a different tone from the youngsters whose posts come across as “I am right.” Temper tantrum.

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                    2. Why yes I’ve mentioned my age elsewhere, seems many others want to bring it up here.

                      Perhaps so, to an extent, I know I’ve used the ‘get off my lawn’ phrase jokingly. Hum. No matter how it comes across there are few, very very few things that I am sure I’m right about. I do however, in polite society,one should be able to postulate a different take on any subject without being called an enemy agent. -grin-

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                    4. No this is me here at the computer. Why yes, that is a comment I made. Oddly enough, referring to someone else’s infantile behavior is not a comment on one’s own age.

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                3. There you go, Ad hominem again

                  Telling you to stop pretending to be an idiot is not “you are incorrect because you are a poopy head.”

                  If you are going to attempt to use formal logic as some sort of a totem, you’re first going to have to use the terms correctly, and you’re likely to regret it because the style is not compatible with your own.

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                    1. That’s the problem– I did.

                      Same as the problem with the links you claimed would show Ukraine was attempting to genocide ethnic Russians actually said “Putin claimed to be protecting Russian speakers from the Ukranians.”

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                    5. :looks up at who has offered objective definitions, and who is trying to play silly My Authority games:

                      Again, if evidence of your judgement was anything other than horrible, folks might CARE what you think.

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                    7. Put down the shovel.

                      Argument Ad Hominem is an attempt to discredit (or support) a statement by appeal to personal characteristics of the person making it. The key part there is the attempt to discredit or support the argument, not the personal characteristics itself.

                      “You’re wrong because you’re an asshole” is an ad hominem fallacy.
                      “You’re wrong, asshole, because (reasons other than simply being an asshole)” is not.

                      Thus, Sarah’s comment was not an ad hominem fallacy.

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                    9. Fallacy of the convenient definition. You don’t get to just make up definitions.

                      There is a meaning to the term and it is specifically to use personal characteristics of the person as arguments for or against the proposition.

                      So…you’re wrong, asshole, for the above stated reasons. (Not an ad hominem)

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                    11. Look, Humpty Dumpty, words don’t just mean what you want them to mean, neither more nor less, no matter how much you want them to. Making up meanings for little words won’t make your claim any more correct than making up a meaning for “ad hominem.”

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                    13. The ad hominem fallacy is when you never address the argument at all, only attack the source. Usually in ways irrelevant to the argument.

                      Ad Hominem: “You’re wrong because you’re an asshole!”

                      Not Ad Hominem: “You’re an asshole because you’re wrong and won’t admit it!”

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            2. You cite AL JAZEERA? They’re terrorist propaganda. Citation: My deployment in ’08. . They haven’t improved since then. And the UN? Having lived through things all of the above reported on. The accuracy was deeply in the negatives (That is, it was hard to tell if they were even talking about the same event there was so much fabrication. You COULDN’T tell if they left out time and location). Are you actually completely daft?

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            3. Those first two links say that Russia claimed Ukraine was conducting genocide– and they’re even skeptical about that– the third says Russia invaded Ukraine twice and started attacking, the 4th says that Russia claims to be protecting Russian speakers from “Ukranian nationalism” and that’s why he keeps invading, and the UN link has folks talking about Russia’s false flag pretenses for invading Ukraine.

              You couldn’t even manage to find something that had Putin making the accusation!

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              1. No, but he put four links in a comment, so I wouldn’t even see it, and he could say he’d posted corroboration and it’s not his fault it’s held up. And If we said we didn’t see anything, and later found the held links it would be egg on our faces. And no one would even check the links.
                Okay. He’s not a pest. He’s an enemy agent.

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                1. I figured everybody else had covered the other stupid objections.

                  Kind of like how his suddenly discovered “Oh I taught in Russia” when he was wiped across the floor with WyrdBard was pretty laughable.

                  Okay. He’s not a pest. He’s an enemy agent.

                  At the very least, he’s quite dishonest.

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                  1. So I’m an enemy agent now, great ad hominem argument.

                    I suddenly discovered “Oh I taught in Russia” right after you suddenly discovered and felt obligated to share with me that somebody paid you money to write about Russia. I think I said I lectured in Russia and the Ukraine. That was dishonest? Not that it’ll make any difference, here a (single) link to a picture of me doing so; http://www.ipernity.com/doc/319805/36637956/in/album/1067002

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                    1. I suddenly discovered “Oh I taught in Russia” right after you suddenly discovered and felt obligated to share with me that somebody paid you money to write about Russia.

                      I’m not WyrdBard.

                      And she was military. (Which I was, too, but torque wrenches and o-scopes aren’t relevant.)

                      US military….

                      In the city of Yakutsk the Saka Autonomous Republic, Russian Federation. If my memory serves me right, I was presenting a paper on water quality.

                      Hm, yeah, totally relevant and supporting your claim… just like the mass of links, where you claimed to know so little about WP that you didn’t know that auto-spams.

                      Links that didn’t say what you claimed, just as YOU can’t even accurately repeat what you claimed.

                      THAT is what’s dishonest.

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                    3. Why yes it does support my claim, to suggest it doesn’t is rather dishonest.

                      Same way that “Putin claimed to be preventing genocide” in a fraction of your links supported your claim that “ethnic Russians” were being shelled.

                      And same way you didn’t say that… in spite of it being linked to where you did, right on this page.

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                    7. Jim, I’ve told you more than once that Russia was my specialty in the military. And you didn’t say you were giving presentations on water management. You said you were lecturing them on how capitalism was better than socialism.

                      Citation since your memory is growing weak:

                      HamAss, Hospitals and the MSM by Francis Turner

                      вы не дурок. Ето слишлом болшая похвала. Сёстер Леса и Иван Дурачок смеются над ваме. Некултьтурное интеллигенция.

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                    8. Why yes, Ivan, excuse me Lesa, I did. Although I also lectured on other subjects other times, including how to set up a small grocery store, water treatment and distribution as a capitalist endeavor was well received.

                      Надеюсь, ты теперь понимаешь, Леза

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                    9. Amusing you don’t recognize who Ivan Durachok and Sister Fox are. Yet you know so much about Russia that we MUST accept your authority on the matter. So I will say this then I am done with you:

                      Понимаю. Вы не знаете о культуре. Не знаете о историе. Не знаете о сказок. Вы болтаете снова и снова. Так плохо! Россию оклеветете! Естли бы вы сделал то, что бы вы сказал, вы лудше знаите! Вы узнал. Вы знаете о гулаге. Вы знаете о Россиски воинах. Вы знает о паранойе. Вы узнал. Вы следует знаете, но вы не.

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                    10. Why I guess I’ll have to see who grabs the ring off the tree.

                      Why no, I know a little about Russia and, not that you would of course, accept my authority, after all you’ve been paid to explain Russia.

                      Your last paragraph in русский язык; Why I do know a little about the culture. I know a little about the history. Fairy tales? I’ve been exposed to a few & would never suggest your house has chicken legs. You say I slander Russia? Hum, curious. You say I should know but don’t. Maybe so but the one thing I do know is how little I know and how much I don’t know.

                      You’re done with me? Thank you ever so much. I wish you well and a happy life.

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                    1. Generally, when giving references, they are implied to support the claim.

                      At least a little bit.

                      Most of them were quite clear that Putin invaded and started shooting first, and that includes the one where Putin tried to claim he was stopping “genocide.”

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      3. I suspect that the Ukraine War has the disadvantage of dealing with a lot of the disillusionment with authority, and attendant distrust that’s been developing over the last few years. Couple that with the fact that we know that there’s a ridiculous amount of propaganda (coughGhost of Kyivcough) being thrown around, plus trolls from both sides showing up to muddy the waters even further (there’s at least one prominent commenter over at Ace’s blog who cannot and will not ever criticize Russia; this is to the point where, when people pointed out that yes, the USSR really was partly responsible for the start of World War 2 and invaded Poland in September 1939, the commenter immediately changed the subject to “Poland took territory from a neighboring nation in the lead-up to the War”), and you have something where a lot of people have already made up their minds on a subject that’s got an avalanche of disinformation being dumped in from both sides.

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        1. Right. That was the point I was, poorly considering the load of sh__ thrown at me, trying to make. I wasn’t defending Russia nor the Ukraine. I was simply using that situation as an example as why most happening around the world today deserves critical review and awareness of whatever spin is being doctored.

          Oh well, I guess I’ll still get through the day even if ya’ll don’t, as Fixfire says. “….PRAISE MY SUPERBRAVE”. My caps/shout reply; GRIN!

          Sorry I gotta laugh.

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          1. Bless your heart. We might take you seriously if you could ever be critical of your own statements, ever showed the slightest sign of considering any opinion but your own, and didn’t come in here repeating the same idiotic talking points no matter how many mountains of evidence we burry you under every time.

            You’re not being clever. You’re not being critical. Above all you’ve yet to show the slightest inclination to actually THINK. You’re just repeating yourself, over and over again. And yes, you are defending Russia, as you have done consistently. You haven’t listened to a word we’ve said about the history of the region, who’s actually in the Russian’s pockets and who isn’t. You’ve consistently put the sins of the previous president on the shoulders of the present. Why should we take your ignorant, propagandized opinion as anything but mock worthy? We treated you seriously to start with. You’ve made your own bed.

            As to your grin. You dropped your clown nose.

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  12. The MSM are mere propagandists (ie. liars for hire) in service to those Dark Forces trying to pull down all civilization to establish the Glorious World of Next Tuesday atop the rubble.

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  13. Modest proposal: Send the “punch a Nazi” crowd to Gaza to attack Hamas. After all, these people say they want to fight genocidal, anti-Semitic authoritarians, right? If they somehow succeed, they will have done something useful with their existences. If they don’t, then a problem has still been solved.

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    1. Nahh let them go help their erstwhile allies if they think the Israelis are nasty White Supremascists. Provide Israel with more Cluster munitions etc. At worst they become cannon fodder, perhaps a miracle occurs and they realize what nasty pieces of work the HAMASS folks are (and the horse may sing…) Voila two birds with one stone. Of course the current residents of the Pentagon and Foggy Bottom would never go for this

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      1. Nahh let them go help their erstwhile allies if they think the Israelis are nasty White Supremascists.
        ………………

        With video. That cannot be turned off or destroyed (fantasy but because TPTB won’t let them go, entire thing is fantasy, so why not?) to be broadcast to the wild. Since most these idiots are the usual idiot suspects, Hamas is going to Darwin the lot as they step onto Gaza (be it by boat or plane). Israel won’t need additional cluster bombs to deal with the the volunteers (need the bomb to deal with Hamas, but not with the volunteers).

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  14. The main difference between the Nazis of the Reich and the Hamas Jihadis?

    The Nazis ultiumately aknowledged wrongness through hiding their atrocities “relocation in the east” meaning “Sobibor, Treblinka, and other extemination camps”. When defeated, they denied, hid, “i didnt know”, “I shoveled sheiss in Slovakia…”

    Hamas is f-ing -proud- of their obscenities. They documented them, called home to mama to shout triumphally of mangling women and babies, and far worse.

    And ther was not exactly a ground-swell of Gazans saying “Heywaitaminute! No!” to their elected leadership Hamassholes. They threw out the PA and soem others. They could certainly throw out the current assholes.

    Ultimately, they are gonna pay for their sins to a higher authority they cant BS. Meanwhile, I give Israel carte blanche. If the IDF string up every likely ham-asshole, bravo. Extra points if they go Sharia/Medieval and crucify the Ham-asshole leadership. Reprisal time is -way- past due. Go after the top dog-turds (hiding in other countries – how brave!) like they went after the escaped Nazis.

    I note the Israelis are not targeting moslims in Judea and Samaria. And merely pot-shotting back at their northern neighbor Jihidiots. That is rather selective for a “genocidal” regime, eh?

    Lookls like the Israelis remembered an important word.

    …. Victory!

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    1. Well, I have seen a lot of people talking about how Hamas actively targets “the first to stop clapping for Stalin,” so I’m willing to cut the non-Hamas folk of Gaza a little slack until Hamas is deposed and they are free to prove or disprove their actual views. At which point they get judged according to their actions.

      Most folk will stay silent under threat of public beheading.

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    2. Clears throat

      There was, in fact, an order that went out referring to occurrences that were naturally abhorrent to their feelings as Germans. They should not stand and gawk at them. Certainly they should not take photographs of them. So it was not all spontaneous cover-up.

      They took to gas chambers because the firing squads were too hard on the men who did it. (Albeit it with a hard layer of “poor me for having to shoot babies” to suffocate their consciences.) Then they picked out particularly cruel people to man the camps. My own suspicion is that had they won, those manning the camps might have found themselves quietly euthanized both because of the repugnant cruelty and to hide that it had happened.

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  15. everything i wanna say about hamas is less polite than should go here. instead, a reminder that CCP lies about China’s Green Initiatives are as unreliable as you might expect..

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  17. Leftists who spend so much time denouncing “blood and soil” types in Europe are more than glad to support the ones in the Middle East whose goal is to destroy the one Jewish nation in the world and utterly annihilate not only the Jewish population in that nation, but globally. The marchers supporting Hamas screaming “from the river to the sea” openly also proclaim that “Jews have no business being on Arab land”, in the same manner that Nazis decried Jews being present on German soil.

    Anyone who supports Hamas and its ilk is literally supporting Nazis, except the modern ones don’t even try to hide their atrocities.

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    3. You’re more right than you know. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was one of Himmler’s boys, and he founded the Muslim Brotherhood, of which Hamas is a part. So they are arguably the last operational remnant of the Waffen SS.

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  18. A large part of this goes to the one-way-switch thing that the most virulent followers insist the religion of submission has hardcoded – It does not matter that the current people in Israel can dig up millenia-old inscriptions and read them, since they are in much the same Hebrew as in use today, pretty clear evidence that those folks just finally came back home. In the view of the hardcore wahhabists, once any place is ever ruled by the religion-of-submission side under Islamic law, it is never, not ever, allowed to go back.

    Under that wahhabi rule, the very existence of such a place is an affront to their core beliefs and must be the subject of unending jihad until it is returned to the House of Submission.

    Of which point any “from the river…” pro-Ham-Ass demonstrators in Spain or Portugal should take notice.

    —
    Digging into this I was reminded with pleasure that it was the Portuguese who were the ones that made the FAFO comment to the whining Gazans – it was Portugal’s President Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa: “The Palestinian side started it. You can’t blame Israel, you shouldn’t have started it.”

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    1. I figured this out when having an argument in the nineties with an educated, urbane Jordanian who suddenly went into red eyed fury and told me Portugal had once been Muslim and therefore still was. And they’d get it back.

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    2. IIRC, the Spanish have also been making positive noises regarding the conflict.

      Not that the press ever talks about them, of course.

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      1. Spain has internal issues with the leftists in charge in disfavor with folks. Some I think is anger from the covidiocy, where they used it as an excuse to nationalize all the private medical and suddenly everyone has issues with treatment where it wasn’t formerly an issue. I’ve not looked closer than knowing there are issues though.

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        1. did you cat6ch the bit where the crowd shouted “Tucker help us with these Mother#######s!”

          Spew warning in effect

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          2. I was at work and just sorta played it on mute. I’m sure Tucker has as much pull there as . . . I don’t know.
            I guess letting more folks know they are having issues is help of a sort.

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  19. Oh, and in case anyone missed it…

    The UK’s Home Secretary, Suella Braverman, publicly stated that pro-Palestinian “protestors” were being treated too leniently by the police.

    She’s since been fired.

    The cabinet was then reshuffled. IIRC, the new Home Secretary is the former Foreign Secretary, whose name I can’t remember. The new Foreign Secretary is a new addition to the current cabinet – former PM David Cameron.

    Uh…

    Needless to say, the conservative members of the British public – i.e. the people that the Tories claim to represent – are pissed off.

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      1. Nice. And discouraging for the British public. The Tories are too beholden to the establishment, and need to be replaced by UKIP.

        Unfortunately, Labour will likely capitalize on Sunak’s weakness, and win the next election.

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  21. I was an adult, re-reading the Chronicles of Narnia, when I realized what Tash and Tashlan represented. Demonic evil. Ok, I knew that as a child, but then I re-read the Chronicles, and realized that C.S. Lewis was letting us know this this so-called religion is demonic and evil and worships Satan. He gives us a beautiful image of a Tash man who meets Aslan and realizes he’s been worshipping the wrong god all along. But most of these followers of Tash go into the dark doorway.

    So of course the swamp state is on the side of the “Tashlans”, because they too worship evil. They don’t care about religious beliefs or skin color or colonizers, not really. The ones who murder babies and gang rape women and behead children — that’s their people.

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    1. The young Calormene has been following Aslan all along, but doesn’t know it. He loves goodness and truth, but because he has been raised in the religion of Tash is attributes goodness and honesty to him.
      One of the subthemes in “The Devine Comedy,” is Dante’s concern for the virtuous pagans – the people who have “practiced every virtue,” all their lives, but never encountered a Christian missionary or who lived before the time of Christ. He learns along the way that many of them are in Limbo (their only punishment being the knowledge they cannot enter the presence of God). But he discovers in “Paradise,” that some have been admitted to Heaven because somehow, they believed in Christ-to-come.

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  24. Following the remarks of our illustrious Shiny Pony earlier in the week, Benjamin Nettanyahu was moved to release a tweet: https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/1724588372994216010?s=46&t=dyF8X5jVzNLZQrnYtE77-Q

    At this point in the game, everybody with a single working brain cell knows that HamAss is using their own population as human shields while murdering as many Israelis as they possibly can, no matter the cost. The Shiny Pony [spit] knows this. He does. That guy has gotten the full download.

    And yet, having mobilized the full force of the Canadian government from the military and the police to CRUSH a peaceful demonstration by truckers in Ottawa, the two leaders of which are -still- suffering through the most ridiculous show-trial in Canadian history… we have organized crowds of illegal aliens targeting Jewish schools and businesses in Toronto and Montreal, in some cases shooting at them with firearms. A -school- in Montreal has been fired upon, twice.

    In the news, a Canadian lady, peace activist Vivian Silver, was reported to have “died” in Israel by CTV on their Twittler account. Community Notes added comments from readers that Vivian Silver’s body had been identified and that she was killed by HamAss.

    And of course we see the same things happening in most Western countries, with the glaring exception of Germany where it seems they feel it incumbent upon them to walk their talk.

    All of this smacks of an arrangement, if I might connect a few dots.

    I’d be remiss if I didn’t compare the current antiSemitism farce to the earlier #BLM farce where Pantifa arsonists were allowed to literally burn cars in Toronto while peaceful truckers got trampled by police horses. The reasons given were
    1) Diagolon, a meme some guy literally made up on his phone, and
    2) Covid, which miraculously was not spread by either the homeless or #BLM rioters, but was spread by truckers, Conservatives and anti-clotshot demonstrators.

    All of which brings me to conclude that as much as we know the socialists and Liberals lie, we don’t understand the true depths of their lying.

    As revealed by the atrocity of Oct. 7th, the Diversity Inclusion and Equity crowd -hate- the Jews. Hate them. Like beat them down in the street with with a megaphone until they die hate them. Shoot at their kids hate them.

    So, just as every Covid Karen mask police freak that appeared suddenly in 2020 was a nice Liberal anti-Trump mom in 2019, every Jew-hating freak waving the HamAss flag in downtown Toronto was a “Can’t we all just get along?” Diversity!!! champion on October 6th.

    What they really are is concentration camp guards. They just lie about the intense hatred that boils just under the surface, looking for an excuse to express itself.

    I will also note at this time that all those [expletive deleted] who called the Sad Puppies racist/bigot/homophobes ‘waaay back there in the ancient history times of 2014/15/16 and to this day won’t let it go… not a single one of them has said one word about the atrocity, or Jews, or Israel. Many of them are parroting HamAss propaganda and running Pallywood videos. Just so you know.

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