What’s The Big Idea 3

You Don’t Know Where That Idea Has Been

We come at ideas many ways.  Probably the least likely, the least useful, is the person who accosts us and says something like “I’ve always had an idea for a story, you can have my idea for free.”

These ideas usually fall into three categories:

The concepts, which have been done so many times that they will induce sleep on any editor at first glimpse.

The more developed concept plus pattern which are still fairly familiar, and would take more effort than most of us are willing to expend to turn into something worth reading.

And finally the fully completed story idea which would take a certain turn of mind to make moving or interesting or whatever the aim of it might be.

For instance, the last time it happened to me was a lady a little older than I, on finding I was a writer of science fiction and fantasy telling me that she’d always had this idea for a story and I could use it, for free, (this offered with a big, magnanimous smile, by the way.)  It’s about this woman, you see, whose daughter has died.  And this weird shop opens in the neighborhood, and on the window is a doll like her daughter used to have, and so the woman goes in, and there, behind the counter is… her daughter all grown up.

Not only was this proffered with the generous “for free” stipulation, but with the sort of smile of a queen conferring a boon on a peasant.  She was sure, you see, this idea would make a brilliant story, a story so fantastic, in fact, that it would make my name forever.

What she was in fact giving me, though – supposing I was fool enough to pick it up, which, thank you, I’m not – was an episode of Twilight Zone, complete with shock unexplained ending.  And at that, to make a decent episode it would need some hint of an explanation in the leadup to the end and, to make it emotionally satisfying, the woman would have had to have something to do with her daughter’s death either or purpose or accidentally (which would make the ending either terrifying or redeeming.)

Look, I’m not disputing that Ray Bradbury could take that bare skeleton, add very little, and make you sob like a baby at the end.  I’m not Ray Bradbury.  I can’t even imitate him with any degree of consistency.  The roads of science fiction are strewn with the literary corpses of those who thought they were Ray Bradbury.  Also, if it comes to that, even supposing I did it perfectly, it would be just a short story.  Even if it should win the Hugo (unlikely, as there’s a lot more that goes into that than “a good story”) it would not make my career.

However, my experience with this lady is neither unusual nor to be honest that different from what goes on in the minds of beginner writers.  I think, frankly, that these people who maniacally try to give us ideas whenever we turn around, are just would-be writers who are to scared to write the story, or who have tried and failed.

Which means, if you’re a beginner writer and you get this fully formed idea, examine it.  Try to figure out where it came from.  There is a chance what you’re remembering (as I’m sure the lady above was) is a confused hodge podge of a television show or a story you read long ago.

Does this mean that this is a bad idea?  Or that you’re plagearizing?

No.  Under the “there are no new ideas” when you reduce an idea to pattern/concept you’re pretty close to the universal. And when you don’t even remember where you saw the thing, it is likely to be like that.

I have a friend who lives in fear of being inspired by anyone’s stories.  He’s convinced this is plagiarism.  In fact one of his best short stories was written based on a song, and he’s convinced that this is plagiarism.  It’s not.  Well, not unless it is a story-song and you use every event in the song.  Then it’s a little close for comfort.  But if it’s just that you were inspired by a verse, or you interpreted the song as meaning a story, well, go on with you and write it.

We do get inspiration from other stories, which doesn’t make ours unoriginal.  It is a good thing to be aware of those stories.  To be aware in fact of where our idea has been.

I’ll confess I don’t try very hard for short stories.  As long as I’m sure I’m not echoing another person’s story point by point, I don’t care.  I rarely get fully fledged ideas.  When I get them, they’re usually so odd, and based on a dream or something like it, that it’s unlikely anyone ever thought of them.  And if I DO get a story idea I know it’s based on a story I read it’s usually a dialogue thing, where my story is going “Oh, no.  You’ve got it all wrong.”  Or “Yes, but” to another’s.  I.e., I normally know where it’s been.

But if you’re doing a novel, you might as well research where the idea has been so you know what you want to avoid and what you want to emphasize.  I’ve grown resigned to the idea, for instance, that my science fiction will echo Heinlein to some extent.  This is not on purpose most of the time, it’s just the result of having been raised IN his books.  You form an idea of what the future is going to be when you’re very young, and no matter how irrational it seems as an adult, bits of it leak into writing.  (Irrational?  Vibro.  Freshers… that sort of thing.)  This is why I must read Heinlein regularly, to overlay rational interpretation in what my subconscious spews up as “futuristic.”  This way if I steal, I steal with malice aforethought and not blindly and whatever happens to be laying around.  Look at it this way, to quote Heinlein “If you’re going to steal, steal from the best” and not just that, but steal the best from the best.  If you’re going to break into the palace, steal the chandelier, not the light bulbs.

And lest it be thought I am advising plagiarism, I’m not.

My friend above who is afraid that he’ll commit plagiarism unwittingly is also very fond of doing the sort of critique that starts with “You can’t possibly send this out.  Everyone will know you stole it from the 1928 play by I Iz Unknown.  You plagiarized it!”
Of course, nine times out of ten (and often iffy on the tenth) I’ve never read I Iz Unknown and never heard of his “famous” play from 1920.  Leaving that aside, when I manage to pry the “why it’s plagiarism” out of my friend (this normally involves plyers) what I get is “It’s also about a man who lost something essential to himself and is looking for it in a senseless universe.”

In other words, what he thinks I stole is one of those universal, fleshless patterns which can fit a thousand stories, and no one would ever attach to a particular one, unless they have convinced themselves that any resemblance between stories is plagiarism.  In which case they’ve paralyzed themselves and can’t write at all.

We’re again up against that “All ideas have been used a million times and are therefore free” (not true) and “I must avoid all resemblance with another creative work or I’m a dirty rotten plagiarist” (also not true.)

Confused?  Don’t be.

Most ideas, even complete ideas, reduced to their bare bones have indeed been done countless times.  If you want to play you have to admit you’re not so startlingly original that you’re going to come up with one that’s completely new.  That said, in most cases you should avoid stepping into someone else’s world too much, because then you murky up (shut up.  I’m a writer.  I can make up expressions) your legal position.

Look, take my series of short stories in which I recreate either mythological stories or mythological beings in science fiction in the future, with bio-engineering and technology.  Has this been done in the past?  Sure it has.  But I made it mine by fitting it into my future history.  The stories: Ariadne’s Skein, Castor, Neptune’s Orphans, and Ganymede fit into the time before and up to the turmoils.  Most of them deal with “What’s human” and what should we do with biological creatures who are humans except for having extra abilities and being grown in vats.  Of course they also deal with slavery, chattel, human perception of the extraordinary outliers, etc.

Let’s say you read Neptune’s Orphans (boys bioengineered to be mermen, who were created for use in war and are then almost killed by their creators, who want to hide that they were made at all) and you think “Oh, no, they should have been killed.  That’s how it should be.  Keep the human genome pure.”

Well, it’s your option to do a story that’s “yes, but.” Or even “hell, no, you got it wrong.”  The thing is in doing that story you’ll have to have some elements of mine, obviously.  For instance, you’ll need bioengineered humans.  Wait, that’s all you need.  You really don’t need that they be aquatic, though I suppose that’s an option you could use.  What you couldn’t/shouldn’t use are the other elements of future history: the war between the seacities and the land states, for instance, as a framing device.  The entire mule issue.  (Weirdly, despite the name, I was not in fact making an allusion to Asimov’s mule.  For whatever reason Foundation is one of those works I’ve read a hundred times and can never remember anything from.  “Mule” came from the fact that they look human but can’t reproduce.  I grew up in a farming village.  The word came naturally as a derogatory term, though I suppose to be exact they should have been cross-bred with another species.  So, clearly I’m not saying you can’t write the word.  I’m saying you can’t have mules be what they are in my world.)

If I were writing it, I’d boil it to the essentials: should humans created by humans in labs, with some special innate power other humans don’t have be allowed to survive?  And if I were doing it as an “answer” I’d do it deliberately as different in set up from the one I was “answering” as possible.

And that would be fine.

Now, say you read my story and you go off and write a story about mythological creatures, created in a lab and living through one of the Greek myths…  Is that plagiarism?  Probably not, unless you steal the specific story and framing device.  Is it a new idea?  Well, hell no.  And, particularly if you’re submitting to an editor who’s read me (I know, I know.  But there are a few) it will leave a bad taste in the mouth.

At worst, you’ll get rejected because the editor won’t be sure how much you took and will be leery of getting in the middle of it.  At best, you’ll become known as a “derivative” writer.

And, of course, if you publish on your own, if you’re in the habit of doing this, the best you can hope for is a “Yeah, he’s pleasant, but never had an original idea in his life.”

So, in these indie days more than ever – know where that idea has been.  And wipe its little nose before you love it and make it your own.

Next up: Making It Your Very Own.

14 thoughts on “What’s The Big Idea 3

  1. Well, “Neptune’s Orphans” is related to the old “atomic age mutants” stories. [Wink]

    Of course, the “atomic age mutants” story is related to any story where everyday people are dealing with “strange people”. [Grin]

    I hope you get the idea that I’m “riffing” off of the “there are no new ideas” theme.

    I liked “Neptune’s Orphans” but could see its ancestry.

    By the way, I liked the main character reaction to the statue of Pan.

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  2. In an odd way, this is the reverse of fanfiction, which takes other writers’ characters and worlds and throw them into new plots.

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  3. I have a vague recollection that some editor — probably John Campbell — was wont to farm a story idea to two very different writers, then publish the results side-by-side. Of course I have many vague recollections of many things that probably just ain’t.

    Any “yes, but” or even “hell, no, you got it wrong” stories are likely to be based on significantly different interpretations of underlying reality and therefore prove very different. Such responses are often premised on such matters as whether you view humans as fundamentally altruistic or self-serving. For example, Harrison’s Bill, the Galactic Hero, often considered a response to Starship Troopers envisions a wholly different culture, one which Harrison obviously considers more realistic than Heinlein’s.

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  4. In spite of what many folk think, plagiarism is generally pretty obvious. Few plagiarists possess the creativity and energy to effectively disguise their theft — if they had such creativity and energy they wouldn’t have to plagiarize.

    Back in High School I took a Creative Writing class (yeah, I was Young ‘N’ Ignorant — now I ain’t so young) which required submission of a short story to a national student competition. Not being so ignorant as to not know how out of mainstream my inclinations was and having already acquired the idea that sucking up t … (ahem) catering to preferences of contest judges was worthwhile, I asked of the teacher some samples of prior winning entries. Quite astoundingly, the third place winner was a story very much to my liking. I had liked it even more when I first read it in a long out-of-print anthology of Ted Sturgeon’s short stories. Of course, Sturgeon’s version was about twice the length, but the abridgement went far beyond “fair use” rules.

    I borrowed back the anthology from the friend who’d lent it and presented both to my teacher. An amusing series of letters were exchanged (first response: “why are you mean people picking on my poor innocent lamb”, graduating to “lamb confesses it was copied from the lamb’s older brother” to “I will address lamb about this” but never quite reaching “we will be leading this lamb to slaughter forthwith) without ever telling Sturgeon about it. Just couldn’t see telling him his story placed third.

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    1. Dang! Just after hitting the Post Comment button I realized I had neglected to close the quote after forthwith. Now I have an odd ” lying about and no place to use it.

      I guess Post Comment really does mean “After Comment”.

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  5. Nyah – I can always even up the books by throwing out any odd parentheses with a few excess stacked periods, thusly –> : )

    As an experienced accountant I can assure you they never reconcile the . inventory, so you can stack them all day. It is only the *@#&!s that they check carefully. Apparently people like to swipe them and use them for seasoning of their sentences.

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  6. There have been a lot of essays ect written about the 7 or 11 or 20 basic plots. They all say that every story is just an adaptation of one of those plots. So that would mean, I guess, the prehistoric guy or gal who told the 8th story was the first plagiarist.

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    1. The fact the number keeps changing tells you they are boiling these plots into “patterns” of which there are indeed only a few, and sometimes into “concepts” of which there are even fewer.

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  7. One of Poul Anderson’s very best novellas was “No Truce With Kings.” First read it when I was in my teens, and loved it.

    Years later I was reading one of Kipling’s poems (for the first time) to my then-infant son. (Reading poetry to him was how I got him to sleep. And since he was too young to care what I read — it was the familiar voice with the rhythmic words that lulled him to sleep — I used it as an opportunity to explore poetry.) It was the poem “The Old Issue.” As I started the introduction of the poem I was reminded of the Poul Anderson story. Could’t figure out why. Then I hit the last line of the introduction of the poem: “Trumpets of the vanguard that have sworn no truce with kings.”

    The penny dropped. He had used the poem as the basis for the novella. Not the plot, obviously, but he had gotten the concept and the pattern from the poem, put it into a plot and gotten an award winning story. Best illustration I can think of that makes your point about borrowing an idea not being plagerism. Because “No Truce With Kings” is a prosetic retelling of “The Old Issue” while being completely original.

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  8. When I was reading Jack McDevitt’s “Echo”, I reached a point where I was sure I knew what the mystery was, and what Chase and Alex would find when they reached the mysterious lost planet. I could see it as clear as anything.

    I was 100%, completely wrong in every detail. So in three fevered days, I wrote my version. It ended up nothing like what I envisioned, either, because I wrote the other side of the story: instead of the explorers, I concentrated on the people they would find and how those people got lost. That turned it into a new story, neither McDevitt’s story nor the alternate ending I had imagined.

    I’m pretty pleased with the results. And in my dedication to the e-book version, I wrote, “And thanks to Jack McDevitt for not writing this story, so I had to.”

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  9. What she was in fact giving me, though – supposing I was fool enough to pick it up, which, thank you, I’m not – was an episode of Twilight Zone, complete with shock unexplained ending.

    My first professional fiction sale to an anthology called “What Scares the Boogeyman” was a short story, which with some padding (it was 2100 words long after editing) could have been a Twilight Zone episode. The editor, John Manning told me it sent shivers down his spine.

    I like writing Twilight Zone style stuff. It’s fun. Only problem is I can’t keep up with the ideas!

    Wayne

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    1. I can handle Twilight Zone stuff in small doses; but after a while, I find myself distracted by searching for the twist.

      Actually, I think a lot of these TZ-ending ideas that people think are great stories have potential as the START of a story, not the end. I want to see what happens after the twist and how the character either explains it, reverses it, or learns to live with it. So there’s a store where the woman can visit her grown daughter who is dead outside the confines of that store. What does she do about it? Does she haunt the store day and night? Does she learn something from her daughter? Does she find that time is fluid in that store, and she can go back and save her daughter? Or maybe someone buys the doll eventually; and when the doll is gone, so is her daughter. What then? Does she go on a quest to recover the doll? Or does she finally learn to let go of her daughter by letting go of the doll? I can see dozens of possible directions from that one revelation.

      To me, a twist is more of a story seed than a story. It’s what gets the writing started. My current work in progress started with a seed much like that: I had an idea for something unusual that could happen at a particular location, and I thought… What if it isn’t unusual? What if it happens there regularly enough that they’re used to it (even if they don’t understand it)? How would they keep the outside world from finding out? And then the real story comes in: something happens (I’m not one-hundred percent certain what yet) to upset this new equilibrium and force them to face the weirdness that they have learned to ignore.

      “Something weird happens” isn’t a story. It’s a scene at most. But it can lead to a story if you put in enough work.

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      1. Um, well, no. It ended the story.

        This was a horror anthology after all GRIN.

        Wayne

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