Covers and Other Indie Publishing discoveries

So recently my life has been plagued by Phil, Prince of Heck, Lord of Insufficient Light – for those not of my generation, that’s a Dilbert reference.  Nothing too bad going on, but I seem to get my early mornings piled with what could generously be called “Cr*p that has to be dealt with, and since I’m the antithesis of a morning person, it throws my entire day and this blog off.

Yes, I should blog at night, but by that time I’m usually tired and peevish, and you don’t want me peevish.

This too shall pass.  It’s just a short phase, and I hope you’ll bear with me.

Meanwhile, I thought I’d make this post about odds and ends, because there are some things I need to deal with that aren’t QUITE up to a full post.

Mostly these are things I’ve found through indie publishing.

First – publishers were right on one thing: it’s not how close the cover matches your book, it’s how attractive the cover is that sells it.  Right now, what I’ve found is that my consistent sellers have an attractive human figure on them.  (Because of the availability of such figures, these tend to be female.)  I suspect if I were better at cover design I could make an abstract background and a title very attractive.  But I’m learning this as I go, and I can’t find books on how to do it.  (If anyone has books on how to do it, list them in comments, please.)

Second – YOU MUST link your other works inside books, particularly inside those books you’re giving away.  I found that, say, my first ten short stories are “walled off” from the rest.  I.e. the rest sells very well, but I only get sporadic sales on those.  So I went back and looked.  Because I put the first (published, not written) up the same day, I didn’t link them to each other.  So, SF and mystery sort of exist by themselves and there’s no incentive to click on the others.  I don’t know if ebook readers are lazy or if – like me – they just tend to go with convenience, and convenience means links.  BUT you can run promotions till you’re blue in the face.  If you don’t have those links in the stories, you ain’t gonna sell them.

Third – some people are stupid.  While I was correcting some of the lack of links (and covers.  It’s stuff I’m doing as I find the time) I found that my Marlowe mysteries had really low stars.  Being a wussy I asked a friend to read the reviews for me.  One of them was because they like the musketeers better.  That’s fine.  I’m not sure it justifies a two star review, though.  HOWEVER the other was one star because it’s a short story.  IT SAYS IT’S A SHORT STORY ON THE DESCRIPTION.  So…  I’m also, as I have time, moving “short story” to the first line of the description.  Interestingly this was form when the story was 99c and the person complained about paying 99c for a short story.  Dean W. Smith says low prices encourage low reviews.  We’ll see if he’s right.

Fourth – not only am I getting more money from the higher priced stories, but they’re selling more.  A confession, though, I’m leaving my collections at 4.99 which still makes each short 99c.  I do this because I don’t mind if they cannibalize shorts sales.  I still get more than if I sold each short at 99c, and people get to feel good about “saving” money.  Win win.  (And I need to slam some more five-packs up.  Weirdly, though, the individual stories still sell best.  Go figure.

 

Other notes – like a total dork I forgot to mention that the short story up for free today IS a short in its description.  Now can’t fix it till it’s off promo.  But now you know ;)

So, here’s the link again:  Wait Until The War Is Over.

And my readers, as usual, have been doing stuff –

Martin L. Shoemaker is in this antho:  The Glass Parachute.

Craig Allen has a free story:  Goodbye Sunshine.

Pam Uphoff  has: Comet Fall.

I know there were others, but I didn’t post this for so long I’ve now lost them.  Put them again in the comments, and I’ll update!

And now, I’m going to go for a walk, then work.

 

91 responses to “Covers and Other Indie Publishing discoveries

  1. Note: Phil is the Prince of Insufficient Light, ruler of Heck. He is also TPHB brother.

    I started linking to my earlier stories a few books ago, but what I think you’re trying to tell me is I have to go back and fix them all. Argh.

    • Yes. I’m doing that now. And, oh, man…it’s difficult.

      • Never assume a reader will like you sufficiently to exert himself to find more of your works. Many will, but there will always be some who will only act if you take them by the hand and walk them through the process. ANY barrier to sales is a barrier to a sale; minimize those impediments.

        Really – how many additional sales would be required to justify your effort?

  2. I used to believe the old saw about not judging a book by its cover. But really, what is a cover? How did it come to be on this particular book? Did somebody at the publisher’s just randomly select an image to paste on this package?

    No, a cover is intended to communicate significant things about the book (although some times the things it is chosen to communicate is that nobody at the publisher thought it worth reading, else they’d have chosen a cover relevant to the contents.) Covers convey a mood, a framework, a market niche target and worlds more. Go to any big box book vendor and look at the covers and you quickly recognize patterns that convey essential information about what type of book they think they are selling.

    We are a visually sophisticated culture and it is foolish to ignore that. Pick a cover that tells readers what type of story you are telling — if you aren’t sure what kind of cover that ought be, hie thee to big box bookstore of your choice and spenf half an hour looking at covers on books being marketed to the same readers you expect to like your book.

    • I once picked up a book that had a naked (or near naked) lady riding a green tiger that was attacking some goblinish soldiers. I was disappointed when the book setting was a dark near-future Earth. Oh, there was a green cat (house cat that is) in it. [Wink]

    • Whoever said “Don’t judge a book by its cover” has never seen a book about sharks. :P

    • I heard editor Lou Anders say that covers are like the mating plumage of tropical birds, designed to communicate the right signals to attract the right reader to pick up your book and take a look.

      • I don’t look at covers except as I pick it up– I look for genre and author. When I was looking at paperbacks, I would look at the back first for the synopsis, then read the first few pages. If I liked it I would buy it. Many times I would leave a book if the cover is too embarrassing like a bodice ripper.

        I am not a visual person — I am an aural. So if books could sing, I would pick them out that way. lol

  3. Link??? I mean I’ve got a _list_ but I can make a link? I am _such_ a Neanderthal. One of these days I’ll get brave enough to have that confirmed by a DNA test . . .

    • Here is a suggestion: my “other books by this author” page in the e-books is a separate page/chapter in the ePub file I make in Sigil. When I publish a new book, I copy and paste the HTML from that page in the *last* book into the new one, save adding the last one to it it’s that simple.

      What Sarah is going to make me do is copy/paste the newest version into all my OLD ones. I’ll have to delete the actual book from the list each time, but that’s not hard and can be done in WYSIWYG mode.

      • Yep. But in my case, I have several. “Fantasy” Paste lists, with the SF at the bottom (actually I’m making those now. The early works were all fantasy.) “Historical” paste lists, with the other stuff afterwards, etc.

        • Wayne Blackburn

          If you are rather prolific, I wonder if it wouldn’t be better to maintain a webpage with links to your work, and insert a link to that page, rather than having to go back and update after every few new items are up.

          • Not to thread hijack, but OMG…Lucas just sold EVERYTHING to Disney.

          • It would be nice Wayne… but it doesn’t work that way. I would rather hit my links while I am in the book than go to a webpage and hit links. I know– sounds crazy.

            • Wayne Blackburn

              No, I actually considered that possibility, and it’s why I put it in the form of “I wonder”, rather than, “you might try”. See, I don’t have an e-reader. I do all my e-book reading on the computer, so an intermediate page means little if anything to me, but I can’t tell what someone using an actual e-reader would prefer.

              • Plus my e-reader is over two years old so — ;-) the only place it goes to is amazon.com.

              • Umm, why not do the both of them? Store links and web-page? NEVER MAKE IT ANY MORE DIFFICULT THAN ABSO-EFFING-LUTELY NECESSARY for somebody to buy your book. Make the impulse as easy as possible to act upon.

                Mind, I am NOT saying put your phone number in the book, accompanied by the phrase “For a good read, call Sarah at 555-5555″ and drop-shipping books, but that is only because the vagaries of myriad time zones and inconvenience of taking credit cards over the phone make it problematic.

            • No, it doesn’t. Webpages in the kindle 3 are… iffy. Weirdly worse than in kindle2

          • It’s not as immediate. I know this sounds stupid, but the times I’ve been “caught” and bought more stuff was because the link was RIGHT there and I clicked and bought. Two links, too much to choose from and I’d recover my will power.

    • Umm – if you have Northern European blood you have some Neanderthal there (U5b2 maternal line is mine). So I can rightfully say I have Neanderthal genetic material– lol (The Islanders have a different mix and the Asians have another mix– I can’t remember what– they have been finding this in the DNA record of us).

  4. A word of warning on linking your previous work: you must link only to that store. In other words, if you are publishing on Amazon and B&N, you need two versions of your e-book. The Amazon one will have Amazon lniks and the B&N one will have links to the BN product pages. Authors have had their books pulled when links go outside of the store, citing a violation of the terms of service.

  5. Covers. Watching the development of the cover-in-progress has been fascinating. The graphics designer and I agreed on an initial idea, based on the book and the culture where much of it is set. Then we refined it. There are no people on the cover, but the colors catch the eye, there are elements of both technology and courtly life, and as a thumbnail you can still read the title and author. And, best of all, it includes a design element that can be used on subsequent volumes and on swag (should the series ever reach that point), to tell the reader “Hey! Next book/story is over here!”

  6. SH wrote: “One of them was because they like the musketeers better. That’s fine. I’m not sure it justifies a two star review, though.

    That’s a problem with writing in so many styles. Eventually many people will be disappointed by something.

    I’ve been captivated by your books and have read 7 of them in the last 4 months. Loved the first 6 (Darkship Thieves, Heart of Light, Soul of Fire, Heart and Soul, Draw One in the Dark, and Gentleman Takes a Chance).

    I then read the first cozy mystery (Dipped, Stripped, and Dead) and didn’t like it nearly as much. I’d never read a cozy mystery before so I just assumed that I don’t care for the genre and I didn’t bother writing an amazon review (I almost always do a review if there are less than 30 other reviews and I bought the book at amazon). But if I had written a review, it would’ve been 2 stars because the amazon definition of 2 stars is “I don’t like it”. Not necessarily the author’s fault if I simply don’t like the genre, but still the closest description to how I felt about the book.

    Just for reference, my other amazon reviews: (Darkship – 4 stars, Soul of Fire – 5 stars, Heart and Soul – 5 stars, and GTAC – 4 stars) so I’m not generally a terribly harsh/critical reviewer.

    • Oh. I don’t blame you. Yes, it is a cozy, but — more so — it is a CRAFT mystery. Those are a different head space.

      You might like Death of A Musketeer and the follow ups…

    • A general note on Amazon stars:

      Amazon’s star ratings have captions which appear to be relatively rational and sequential. However, to Amazon’s recommendation algorithm, there are exactly two star ratings:

      1) Five Stars

      2) Radioactive Horse Poo

      If you hate a book and want to warn others away from it, rate it anything but five (technically four stars may be non-radioactive horse poo, which as horse poo goes is preferable to the radioactive kind, but you get the gist of it.) If you like it and think others should read it, give it five stars, or don’t rate it. Not rating it is actually better for it than rating it three stars, as far as recommendations go.

      • I partly agree and partly disagree.

        If I rate something 3 stars or less, then I am indeed warning people away. 3 stars is Amazon’s “It’s okay” which to me means “It’s okay, but surely you can do better by using your time to read something else” so yes, I’m warning people away from it.

        On the other hand, I think that 4 stars is a good thing. That’s because when I’m personally looking for a book or a product at Amazon, I look at not only the average rating, but also the number of reviews. I would take a book/product with 30+ reviews averaging 4 stars over a book/product with 5 reviews of 5 stars any day. Surely anyone can get 5 friends or associates to review their book with 5 stars (not that I’m implying Sarah would do this).

        “Gentleman Takes a Chance” only has 10 reviews as I write this. I think 20 more 4 star reviews would help, not hurt, the overall impression of the book for many potential readers.

        • That was my point: *you* think you are being rational because the labels are rational and to a rational person, “I like it” means, “I like it.” However, to the recommendation-algorithm, “I like it” means “It sucks.” Or, rather, it means “it wasn’t awesome,” and there are so many books with awesome ratings that the two real ratings are awesome and it-don’t-matter-you’ll-never-ever-see-it.

          • I see. I was a little slow to catch on to what you were referring to – Amazon’s recommendation algorithm.

            I looked up a paper describing an earlier version of the algorithm:

            http://www.cs.umd.edu/~samir/498/Amazon-Recommendations.pdf

            From the paper, other people’s ratings seem to be much less important than your own ratings. It seems that it finds the overlap between what you buy, weighted by what YOU like (i.e. rated highly), with what other people have bought. The other people’s ratings seem to be very secondary to how many people bought it.

            That seems right from what I see for my recommendations. I see plenty of 4 star books (including Great Expectations which I’m surprised only got 4 stars). There are 3 Sarah Hoyt recommendations (Draw One in the Dark which I own but bought not at amazon, Ill Met by Moonlight (audiobook), and Darkship Renegades (even though it’s not even out yet)). So Sarah seems very well represented even though I didn’t give her all 5 star ratings.

        • I quit looking at the stars for two reasons– 1) the stars don’t tell me if it is a good book or not. I find that if I read the sample I am more likely to tell if I like the book. Not all 2 star reviews are alike.

          And 2) I seem to catch the mean reviewers who like to give me three or below. I have been assured by people who read the books that they like it, but these same people don’t put up reviews. So if I believe the reviewers I am the worst writer since words became popular. I don’t believe it.

          So I stay away from the stars and reviews and hope that someone will also ignore the stars and enjoy my books and stories.

          • Yes. Also, I tend to read the best and the worst review. “A masterpiece of feminist revenge” with a five star means “don’t touch.” And “I really hated how they were so violent” with one star in something like mil sf is “BUY.” :-P

            • True – ;-) I must have angered one person because she said “The only reason why I got it was for one it was free (as well as it should be)”. (Those were the exact words with a few more sentences saying it wasn’t any good. She had to say it twice because once wasn’t enough.) It took me a few weeks to get the humor of it. Sadly no one else has put up a review or even read it since.

              Yes, that novella went through some readers before I put it up.

          • I’m only talking about the algorithm. Of course once you actually GET to the book, you can proceed as seems best to you.

            • Understood Marc – :-)

            • To show my ignorance, I don’t even know what the “review algorithm” is, I assume it must be some way you can search for books on Amazon?
              Anyways I look at the reviews more if the synopsis sucks and I don’t know what the book is about (of course some reviewers copy the synopsis word for word (I think some actually cut and paste it) in their review, which is annoying) or if I don’t know the author, and am trying to get a feel for them. I myself generally only give reviews if I really liked the book, and/or some reviewers have trashed the book for reasons I don’t agree with. I recall years ago probably the first review I ever did was for Anne McCaffery’s Dragonseye, which was possibly my favorite McCaffery book, several people had given it one and two star reviews, trashing the book BECAUSE OF THE COVER! (This was also probably the first time that I realized there are idiots out there that actually judge a book by the cover)

              • When you do a search on Amazon, the computer uses an algorithm* to try to determine what the best matches to your search are. When it recommends books to you, it uses a similar algorithm to compare what you’ve bought/reviewed/liked before to what is available for purchase. The algorithm uses the star ratings of reviewers as one parameter in sorting results. Ceteris paribus,** higher-rated items will appear higher in the results. Due to ratings inflation, this means that things ranked less than four or five stars – mostly five – will appear so low as to never be seen by the average user (or will not be seen at all as they fall below the reporting cutoff.)

                *On the chance that you don’t understand the word “algorithm” in this context – no offense meant – it’s just a fancy word for “process” or “set of rules.” “He likes science fiction, from such and such publisher, in such and such price range. What have we got that meets those parameters, or is similar to them, or that other people who also like those things have also bought, that we could suggest he buy?”

                ** I love econo-Latin. Translation: “All other things remaining the same.”

              • Yes. This is like giving it one star because it’s a short story, even though it says “short story” on the description.
                One of my son’s has a one star because “It’s an excerpt from the novel.” To this day we wonder what the heck they mean. A) It’s not even a slice of life short story, it’s a complete thing and one is at a loss to imagine it being part of a novel of any kind. B)there is no novel by that title, and the novel he wrote has nothing to do with it… So… we got nothing.

                • I wrote a book with several reflections on my illness for other people with the disease. Some person who write reviews on memoirs just trashed it because there was not enough emotion in it. Before that book was my best seller. After she trashed it, it went to nothing for weeks. I went to my Vasculitis and writing group. They had read the book and they wrote reviews because they didn’t want that particular book to disappear.

                  I have had several people contact me that the book had helped them through some very hard times. I just couldn’t understand why someone would do that– (trash the book). It was true to the experience. It was not “gussied up.” Their were no “false” emotions. Anyway– the result is that the book gets bought about once a month when it was closer to ten or more.

                  I was not too happy. My problem with many of the memoirs today is that they are less genuine and more sensational. Plus more emotion? Anyone who has been really ill finds out quickly that the emotions (except for fear) are drowned out by the pain and exhaustion.

                  Okay I am ranting– It was a really bad experience–and made me mad.

                  • yep, Juggler and Counterfeit Gypsy were selling about 6 to 10 copies a month, sometimes twenty and now they don’t sell AT ALL.

                  • And when the reviews are for “it’s a short story. I don’t like short stories. I wouldn’t pay 99c for a short story.” and “I didn’t like it as much as the other mysteries by this author” — it’s a bit exasperating.

                    • Exactly – and it spreads to my others stories too… URG
                      I thought that some people are actually sabotaging other writers. It seems to me there is a review war going on.

                    • An author on a board I read in my other life commented that they didn’t like to sell short stories because it felt like overcharging – making rather a snarky remark about how “I guess a few thousand words is enough for a man to get off on.” Then in the next breath said their time was worth money and they didn’t like it when people asked them to give things away.

                      I can only conclude that they somehow autonomously excrete short stories and that it requires no time on their part to produce them. I myself find that it requires *more* time on a per-word basis to produce a supershort than the equivalent length of novella or novel. But then I am very weird.

                    • Mind you, I’m very cheap, and 2.99 DOES seem exorbitant for shorts. OTOH not only did my money go up (well, keeping 1.90 per book instead of 30c, duh!) but my SALES have gone up, net. Now this might be the ramp up to xmas, who knows? But I don’t think so. And to salve my conscience, my collections are 4.99, which is 99c per story, so there’s something for the frugal shopper. ;)

                    • Cyn:

                      There are any number of ongoing brushfire-wars involving reviews. There has been at least one famous case and any number of more or less proven non-famous cases of authors posting bad sockpuppet reviews of books they felt were competing with their own. It’s also VERY common for random people to somehow take personal offense about something an author wrote, or something they think an author wrote, or something they heard somebody else thinks the author wrote, and start posting one-stars on every single work that author has. Sometimes they’re honest and include “you shouldn’t buy anything this author writes because I heard they rape kittens to death for fun,” and sometimes they just rant incoherently.

                    • I see a story about two authors engaging in a feud by carefully crafting negative reviews of each other and posting them to Amazon … although I don’t suppose there’s any reason to limit it to two authors. Perhaps the Algonquin Round Table take it upon themselves to torment an up-and-coming writer as a prank … perhaps he writes horror a la Lovecraft and sets mailer daemons to take revenge on his tormentors …

                    • All reviews say as much about the reviewer as the object reviewed. Some one-star reviews are informative and accurate critiques (and even communicate why I will probably like the item — or at least not be put off by the qualities which offended the reviewer.)

                      But most one-star reviews are big neon signs proclaiming “This reviewer is an effing idjit.”

                      Then there are those reviewers who slam authors for political purpose, e.g.,Coulter, Ringo … Kratman*. These reviews tell you the author succeeds in driving certain political factions bug-effing crazy and thus merits your attention. I will not be surprised if some of the later Darkship titles achieve this status.

                      *I suspect that the Baen imprint gets on average at least one star less in reviews simply because of the number of people whose mouths start frothing at the mere sight of the Baen logo.

                    • Thanks Marc for the explanation– It makes a weird kind of sense.

                    • When challenged that a 15K word short should not cost more per word than a 60K word novel, I go with the cup of coffee analogy: the fact that a cup of coffee lasts fifteen minutes and costs four dollars should not engender complaint on the basis that then four cups of coffee would cost sixteen dollars and that’s too much. Either the individual cup of coffee is worth the money or it is not. What you would be willing to pay per-cup when buying in bulk is not relevant to what you are willing to pay in small quantities. If you don’t want small quantities, don’t buy small quantities. Although well-written stories are not commodities, even when you buy commodities, even when you buy fungible commodities, you get a better price when you buy more at a go. Add in the fact that stories are neither fungible nor commodities and it entirely eludes me what relevance the pricing of novels or collections has to the pricing of short stories, other than that we ought to be grateful novels and collections don’t cost more than they do already.

                    • By such logic as that first cited, diamonds should be less expensive than coal because, while both are comprised of carbon, coal takes up soooo much more space.

                    • I can understand the “I didn’t like it as much as other mysteries by this author” that is a somewhat valid review, IF it has an explaination for that statement. Ie ‘this is a decent story, but the characters seem flatter, and the ending is more predictable than most of this authors work’ (I am not commenting on the stories you mentioned, just giving examples of what I consider a valid review) The buy this if you really like the author, and want all of their works, but don’t expect it to be as good as your favorite stories by said author (with explanation) is a review that tells me somewhat what to expect, before I buy.

                      The ‘I hate short stories, but I was stupid enough to buy this one anyways, so I’m giving it a one star review’ review on the other hand is NOT a valid review. I will note however that you are the only author I have seen that managed to not have the approximate number of pages on the Kindle editions listed an inch under the price on the Amazon page. I have no idea how you managed this, but if you do (I suspect it is one of those computer idiosyncracies that nobody but a techno-geek could figure out) I think getting the approx. number of pages listed again could possibly help with these reviews (although anybody who is to stupid to figure out the words ‘short story’ in the synopsis mean that the story is short; probably don’t look at the number of pages either).

                    • Well, the “I don’t like it as much” is not valid because again, short/novel. It’s apples/oranges. It’s not going to be the same. Eh. Also, I’ve done that sort of review but I rate three not two which in Amazon customer terms is “dismal.”
                      Pages — wha? that might be on your computer. It shows on mine! (And on my friend’s I asked to check.)

                • I have seen many Amazon reviews which were obviously intended to be reviews of some other thing entirely. I can only assume people either had multiple windows open and forgot which one they were in, or they forgot what they were reviewing.

                  Also, Amazon’s reviews database is in a more or less permanent state of bug-effery, so it’s possible THEY mixed up the reviews. I have more than one book which reviews simply will not stick to. I’ve had other people review them, I’ve WATCHED them try to post the reviews. They get the email that says their review is live. But it doesn’t show up on the book’s page or in their profile. Whaddyagonnado?

  7. Oh Geez – I am now making url lists to put into my books — Sarah, you really give more work to do that is NOT writing. ;-)

  8. The last two or three days have been miserable for me. I turned the wrong way, and my back let me know it. As a result, I’ve not been terribly active. Hopefully that’s behind me, and I can get back to work. I’m on the last chapter of my latest novel (The mastodon party). I need to proof-read “Greenfields” again, and get it up. After reading this article and a couple of others elsewhere, I think I might rework my HTML Coding Guide, and put it up as well. I also need to spend some time learning to use Sigil and Calibre, and maybe even MobiPocket Creator. All that, plus I need to work on another novel that I’ve been itching to start.

    I have one major problem with being an “indie publisher”, and that’s cover design work. I’ve got six novels, and only three of them (IMHO) have decent covers. Thanks to our good hostess, I also know I need to do some MAJOR rework on the novels I already have up, adding information and links to my other works. I also am beginning to feel a bit ashamed that I haven’t added anything to my website in about two months now. At least my son did some of the yard work, and I don’t have to!

  9. It sounds as if a script to auto-post books and correct all previous books’ links would be useful. I’ll look into it tonight. If I recall you use Amazon, Smashwords and Barnes & Noble primarily.

    • um…. I don’t think it’s possible, but…

      • Wayne Blackburn

        Oh, it’s probably possible, but there might be significant difficulties. I’ve worked on some things like that before, but I, personally, wouldn’t try to do it as an in-my-spare-time thing. I work with a couple of guys who could probably do it, though.

  10. My first specifically-for-kids book has been released! StarSong, through Chromosphere Press, is available in Nook, Kindle, and print!

  11. Good cover is a must. People will definitely judge by the cover – I know I sometimes do.

  12. Er, off topic, somewhat, but I finally got the scanner and my computer talking to each to other so there are some of my drawings now on my blog. Trying to think of something to paint, probably I’ll start with some generic landscapes or such, I’m a bit out of practice here. But if anybody would like to suggest something specific I could try to do that, say so on my blog comments or email me, once I have done it I’ll put the scan on the blog and if you like it well enough you could then use it for cover or whatever. Preferably no humans, unless it’s more or less from behind and fully clothed – well, I suppose I might manage one of those painted on looking outfits, it’s realistic skin colors which mostly scare me right now. :) No guarantees as to quality, I’m only familiar with oils and, as said, right now I really am badly out of practice.

    I also could mail the originals to anybody who might want them, I don’t have the space to keep much myself so mostly I just throw them in trash anyway. And it will take somewhere between a month or two before you’d see any results, for one thing oil paintings take some time to dry.

  13. Oops.

    Okay, let’s see if that one tutorial I found for making clickable links on comments works – I think I have mentioned before that when it comes to using computers I’m not exactly what you’d call skilled.

    Northern_dreaming